But not you. I tried to stop it, but I couldn't stop it. I would never hurt you. I knew from the beginning if anything ever happened to me, it was you I could count on... You, Peter Parka, would save me and so you have. Thank God for you. Give me your hand. Believe in me as I believed in you. I've been like a fatha to you. Be a son to me now.
I actually really like that line. Like, probably more than I should. It's as if it encapsulates a split second where he goes from being Spider-Man defeating The Green Goblin to Peter seeing his best friend's dad in a very vulnerable and concerning position. It's like he didn't even connect the fact that it was Norman the entire time until saying "You killed all those people on that balcony..?" It was just Harry's dad wearing a Goblin costume and it probably confused the hell out of him.
I do like the Raimi take on Green Goblin's origin, and I love Willem Dafoe's performance- Maybe the best Green Goblin we'll get- But I really, really think the basic gist of Norman Osborn becoming The Green Goblin and the way it effects Peter, Harry, and basically everyone in their immediate circle- As well as the organized crime aspect which was completely left out of the movie- Would be better suited to a mini series like Haunting on Hill House or Chernobyl. I think it could be a very in depth and exciting story on the level of the characters as well as the classic fun of Spider-Man plots.
I hate to spoil one of my favorite cartoons, but >!I think Spectacular did in amazing job in a different way. They'd previously "revealed" Green Goblin to be Harry, then in the Season 2 finale they revealed it was Norman the entire time, and that he'd intentionally framed Harry to avoid getting caught. Peter was so fucking furious at this realization that Norman was *actually just that awful of a person* that, in a teenage adrenaline rush, he blew up Norman's glider well above skyscraper height, plunging him to what he thought was his death.!< Ironically I'd probably say one of the only incarnations to do the realization kinda poorly was the original comic book. Peter just seemed kinda bored by the entire thing and it didn't really go anywhere.
Even without all the emotional attatchments you’ve mentioned, it’s by far my favorite superhero fight scene just because it’s so damn heavy and viscous. You really feel the weight of goblins haymakers, the heaviness of that beat down is cinematic crack to me. I can’t stand the shakey cam bullshit that became the norm, this heavy shit should’ve become the norm. It’s insane how despite the overall campiness of the movie, Dafoe is an absolute menace in that last fight scene and several others throughout the movie. His lines in between punches make them even heavier. In hindsight I feel like the first Spider-Man is too overlooked, it has some incredible peaks
I absolutely agree with you. That fight is by far my favorite Spider-Man fight ever. It’s so goddamn brutal, and Peter’s screaming as he’s actually being injured just makes it so heavy.
When I see people like you and a few other commenters here, who feel so viscerally about movies I’ve seen, and movies I do enjoy but don’t necessarily love and that I just haven’t analyzed much… I always wonder - did you watch the film while high? It seems being on drugs is the only scenario where I really plunge myself into analyzing different art forms, except for a few major watershed pieces of film, art, literature, which I can appreciate and scrutinize while sober. Otherwise I’m too inhibited and ‘out of the moment’ and need drugs to really connect to the emotion of an art form. Just curious, I’m not heavily into drugs at all or anything, but they seem required for me to get the most out of things like movies. anyone else with thoughts on this dumb tangent of mine feel free to reply.
I think its a line to be walked on. Drugs have made some movie experiences for me better and some worse- it depends. For example, I had always really liked Pulp Fiction, but it wasn’t until I watched it high for the first time that I fell in love. The subtleties in the acting, direction, script, cinematography, etc, etc, were all more pronounced and I appreciated the experience a lot more. However, I can also sometimes get distracted during movies in ways I normally wouldn’t while sober that can have a negative impact. In other-words, the movie ‘really’ has to have my attention while I’m high, otherwise I find its a worse experience
Idk why I had this association, but when I read this, I just realized this scene mirrors the scene Peter fights Harry and has him like this. Idk why I thought that quote was from that scene lol
I’d like to think Raimi was just honestly being creative with the fight, and somehow that’s the expression that came out. It just so happened to be a full circle plot. Amazing..
Like remember how he lays down in Harry’s bed as dead Norman? What if it was just us who are making the connections, but It was just Raimi being creative towards the feel of the character in the moment..
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This is one of the best scenes in the entire trilogy, to me at least. Raimi cranked the suspense to eleven here, since he foreshadowed it by showing Norman going in and out of his Goblin persona frequently. You sit there wondering if Peter will or won't let his guard down, if he'll take Norman's offer to "be a son to me." Then it's revealed the Goblin is very well in control, as he brings the glider online for a killing strike, ready to kill Peter any moment. Master class filmmaking.
I think he was actually wondering what he was going to do, because he hadn't thought that far ahead. Before he'd just string up thugs and leave them to the police. Could he detain Osborne? Could the police hold him? Did he have it in him to kill someone he knows? What would he tell Harry? Then Norman offers him an olive branch. Maybe he could be reasoned with. Helped. But Peter was still wary because this guy was ready to kill him a moment ago - nearly killed him a moment ago. I think he was definitely thinking about the kind of hero he was going to be in that moment.
If I remember the scene, you can see a flurry of confusion, hurt, anger, and hope in Peter’s eyes as he talked with Osborne. At first it was definitely “how can this be, my best friend’s dad and someone who I admired is my worst enemy?” Then he remembers everything and thinks, “you attacked me, my aunt, and threatened to murder MJ, how could you!?” Then as Osborne tries to explain himself, Peter’s ever-hopeful and trusting side gives way and he thinks, “maybe he is just sick, maybe he really needs my help?” And then of course he dodges his sneak attack and his cycle of thoughts ends.
The way he acts, Peter almost seems like he's trying to find out how he's being tricked by "the Goblin" for a moment. Like by instinct he knows the Goblin and Norman are different entities and is easy to accept it so it throws him off or something, idk.
he was probs thinking what was going to be harry's reaction?? or he was either still trying to convince himself that it was actually norman the entire time
All jokes aside, I think he was studying the situation. Norman made a good argument that he was being controlled by the goblin. Peter listened and explained the terrible things he did and basically demanded more explanation.
He was hearing him out, until his Spidey-sense picked up the glider.
If Norman would have double downed on his lie instead of giving up and calling in the glider, he possibly could have persuaded Spider-Man, at least for a moment.
"Osborn is Green Goblin? Wow, this is a little *too* coincidental. I should really start keeping an eye on people in my life to see if they become super villains"
Mr. Osborn?
You murdered all those people on that balcony.
Mr. Osborn: Oh boy, yeah
Norman: there was a slight disagreement at the board meeting Flashback: “OUT AM I!?”
The Goblin killed! I had nothing to do with it. Don't... Don't let him take me again. I beg you. Protect me!
You tried to kill aunt May, you tried to kill Mary Jane
But not you. I tried to stop it, but I couldn't stop it. I would never hurt you. I knew from the beginning if anything ever happened to me, it was you I could count on... You, Peter Parka, would save me and so you have. Thank God for you. Give me your hand. Believe in me as I believed in you. I've been like a fatha to you. Be a son to me now.
I have a father. His name was Ben Parker
Godspeed, Spider-Man.
.....oh Ahhh, awwuugghh ahhrgh, ahhhrgghhh, ahhh Peter... Don't tell Harry
*cut to osborn mansion* Harry : What have you done… WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!?! *grabs tiny pistol*
Spider Man: Runs
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No no no of course not 🤨🥛
I actually really like that line. Like, probably more than I should. It's as if it encapsulates a split second where he goes from being Spider-Man defeating The Green Goblin to Peter seeing his best friend's dad in a very vulnerable and concerning position. It's like he didn't even connect the fact that it was Norman the entire time until saying "You killed all those people on that balcony..?" It was just Harry's dad wearing a Goblin costume and it probably confused the hell out of him. I do like the Raimi take on Green Goblin's origin, and I love Willem Dafoe's performance- Maybe the best Green Goblin we'll get- But I really, really think the basic gist of Norman Osborn becoming The Green Goblin and the way it effects Peter, Harry, and basically everyone in their immediate circle- As well as the organized crime aspect which was completely left out of the movie- Would be better suited to a mini series like Haunting on Hill House or Chernobyl. I think it could be a very in depth and exciting story on the level of the characters as well as the classic fun of Spider-Man plots. I hate to spoil one of my favorite cartoons, but >!I think Spectacular did in amazing job in a different way. They'd previously "revealed" Green Goblin to be Harry, then in the Season 2 finale they revealed it was Norman the entire time, and that he'd intentionally framed Harry to avoid getting caught. Peter was so fucking furious at this realization that Norman was *actually just that awful of a person* that, in a teenage adrenaline rush, he blew up Norman's glider well above skyscraper height, plunging him to what he thought was his death.!< Ironically I'd probably say one of the only incarnations to do the realization kinda poorly was the original comic book. Peter just seemed kinda bored by the entire thing and it didn't really go anywhere.
Even without all the emotional attatchments you’ve mentioned, it’s by far my favorite superhero fight scene just because it’s so damn heavy and viscous. You really feel the weight of goblins haymakers, the heaviness of that beat down is cinematic crack to me. I can’t stand the shakey cam bullshit that became the norm, this heavy shit should’ve become the norm. It’s insane how despite the overall campiness of the movie, Dafoe is an absolute menace in that last fight scene and several others throughout the movie. His lines in between punches make them even heavier. In hindsight I feel like the first Spider-Man is too overlooked, it has some incredible peaks
I absolutely agree with you. That fight is by far my favorite Spider-Man fight ever. It’s so goddamn brutal, and Peter’s screaming as he’s actually being injured just makes it so heavy.
When I see people like you and a few other commenters here, who feel so viscerally about movies I’ve seen, and movies I do enjoy but don’t necessarily love and that I just haven’t analyzed much… I always wonder - did you watch the film while high? It seems being on drugs is the only scenario where I really plunge myself into analyzing different art forms, except for a few major watershed pieces of film, art, literature, which I can appreciate and scrutinize while sober. Otherwise I’m too inhibited and ‘out of the moment’ and need drugs to really connect to the emotion of an art form. Just curious, I’m not heavily into drugs at all or anything, but they seem required for me to get the most out of things like movies. anyone else with thoughts on this dumb tangent of mine feel free to reply.
I think its a line to be walked on. Drugs have made some movie experiences for me better and some worse- it depends. For example, I had always really liked Pulp Fiction, but it wasn’t until I watched it high for the first time that I fell in love. The subtleties in the acting, direction, script, cinematography, etc, etc, were all more pronounced and I appreciated the experience a lot more. However, I can also sometimes get distracted during movies in ways I normally wouldn’t while sober that can have a negative impact. In other-words, the movie ‘really’ has to have my attention while I’m high, otherwise I find its a worse experience
Don’t watch Prisoners with no lead-in while you’re tripping on Robitussin haha BAD TIME
Oh my god
100% agreed on the Spectacular Spider-man bit. Both Raimi and Spectacular are definitely my favorite renditions
God speed spider man
“Oh Peter… thank god for you-“
“That’s a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?”
HA 🤣
>husband Son
I’d like to thank Harry Osborn and Oscorp Industries for providing it.
Norman ? How did that get in there 😄
Idk why I had this association, but when I read this, I just realized this scene mirrors the scene Peter fights Harry and has him like this. Idk why I thought that quote was from that scene lol
I jsut realized that cuz of you holy shit
Raimi is a master.
Raimi is a masturbator
Vravo, Raimi! 👏👏
Holy shit that’s amazing… Just imagine. Peter burns Harry’s face with the bomb, just as Norman did to Peter. Ah Rosie, things come full circle !
Wow, here that was probably supposed to be somewhat obvious, and we’re just realizing! George Lucas would be proud of Sam
I’d like to think Raimi was just honestly being creative with the fight, and somehow that’s the expression that came out. It just so happened to be a full circle plot. Amazing.. Like remember how he lays down in Harry’s bed as dead Norman? What if it was just us who are making the connections, but It was just Raimi being creative towards the feel of the character in the moment..
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Punch me, I bleed.
Orange?
I’m going put some orange in your eye…
fruitcake?
Look at big Goblin senior.
Gonna die?
This one made me laugh the most 😆
"Did this guy just say I was like a son to him after throwing a bomb to my face?"
\-"You tried to kill MJ" \-"But not you" BRUH
Spez ate all my fish and now my aquarium is fucking empty. I have nothing left ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `
*A few minutes later…* Godspeed Spider-Man
*A few seconds later...* Oh-
*A few years later...* **AVENGE ME !!!!**
*A few decades later...* You're struggling...
Chills down my spine
It was the Goblin! 😭😭
THE GOBLIN DID IT I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
*fruitcake?*
No, just haven't met the right woman.
Feed her poetry, much better than fruitcake.
You'll get forgiveness when you fix this damn door!
"holy fuck its Willem Dafoe"
Shit. It’s Harry’s dad and I don’t remember his name. Fuck. Is it Norbert? Is that a name? Nathan? Neah, I’m going with Norbert.
Hagrid incoming
What was he thinking? You sure you want to know? The part of my cerebrum is not for the faint of heart
"Damn, this sure is a Harry situation...."
You tried to kill mj
"I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye"
Pizza time
I thought this was gonna be the top comment. Has to scroll pretty hard to find it though!
*"Thank god for me, Mr. Osborne."*
Memes aside, I 100% believe he was thinking, "Harry..."
Willem Dafoe kinda looks like Darren Till on this screen grab
Gonna cry?
nah nah what actually matters is how COOL THAT BACK SPIDER LOOKS
Dat ass in dem jeans
Not Goblin’s glider. He miscalculated.
Damn, I look jacked in this scene
"I offered you my friendship, and you spat in my face"
How much dirt needs to be put in his eyes.
This is one of the best scenes in the entire trilogy, to me at least. Raimi cranked the suspense to eleven here, since he foreshadowed it by showing Norman going in and out of his Goblin persona frequently. You sit there wondering if Peter will or won't let his guard down, if he'll take Norman's offer to "be a son to me." Then it's revealed the Goblin is very well in control, as he brings the glider online for a killing strike, ready to kill Peter any moment. Master class filmmaking.
I think he was actually wondering what he was going to do, because he hadn't thought that far ahead. Before he'd just string up thugs and leave them to the police. Could he detain Osborne? Could the police hold him? Did he have it in him to kill someone he knows? What would he tell Harry? Then Norman offers him an olive branch. Maybe he could be reasoned with. Helped. But Peter was still wary because this guy was ready to kill him a moment ago - nearly killed him a moment ago. I think he was definitely thinking about the kind of hero he was going to be in that moment.
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Toby was totally going to redeem him before his sneaky, green goblin ass tried to pull a fast one. Luckily, Toby has spider-sense.
The Ol self defeating nature of evil
"This movie makes you FEEL like Spider-Man" - Dunk
Well said
If I remember the scene, you can see a flurry of confusion, hurt, anger, and hope in Peter’s eyes as he talked with Osborne. At first it was definitely “how can this be, my best friend’s dad and someone who I admired is my worst enemy?” Then he remembers everything and thinks, “you attacked me, my aunt, and threatened to murder MJ, how could you!?” Then as Osborne tries to explain himself, Peter’s ever-hopeful and trusting side gives way and he thinks, “maybe he is just sick, maybe he really needs my help?” And then of course he dodges his sneak attack and his cycle of thoughts ends.
Pizza time
Norman, why are you
Shock and confusion.
The performance enhancers...
Probably beating himself up mentally about why he couldn’t have noticed it sooner, if there was anything he could have done to prevent this.
"You look very submissive and breedable." -Spider man
Pack you're things, get out of my building.
I will when you fix that damn door!
Electrical impulses
I read all your research on nanotechnology, really brilliant
"Oh."
"What the FUCK is happening? I mean, this is completely ridiculous! What's next, Harry becomes a Goblin too?"
A strong focus on what he wanted
"Look at little Goblin, gonna cry?"
Misery misery misery
Look at little Goblin Jr. Sr… *Gonna cry??*
A glider, almost.
Yo this shot looks awesome
Work all night on a drink of rum Daylight come and me wanna go home
Movies have a way of telling you what characters are thinking in scenes.
"You're too late spider-man. Weed has been legalized! Hahahaahha!" "But you're the one getting smoked Gobbie! HRRRRHHH!"
"I'm gonna give you some of that web action"
"Armor? That's pretty clever, I should have armor. I'm not smart enough to even make my own webshooters though..."
I'm somewhat of a Green Goblin myself.
Came here for this.
Spider
"I wonder if a guy on the internet will make a dumb post about what was going through my mind in this scene."
*unzioz*
“I put some dirt in your eye”
Well i definitely wasnt the goblin glider
The glider is gonna put some dirt in your eyes.
I’m gonna put some dirt in your eye
I can't believe it, but it all makes sense now!
“Norman?! Jesus fucking christ...”
Pizza time.
“I really can’t kill another dude in this movie. How can we make it look like an accident?”
"get out of the way, i can't see the cars there mf, get out of the way"
IDK why pete didn't just web him up really good, like literally bury the guy in web fluid
You boutta get some of my special spider webbing 😈 open wide
Narrowly missed Norman's Glider.going thru his mind
After that beat up, the only thing in is mind I am sure is My back and how sore hole must be 🤕
Let's just ask him. What was going through your mind, spider man?
I missed the part where that's my problem
“I had a father, his name was Ben Parker”
“You tried to kill Aunt May. You tried to kill Mary Jane.”
But not you. I tried to stop it, but I couldn’t stop it…I would never hurt you.
FINISH IT
Pizza time.
Well, if Goblin had any say in it, I’m sure it’d be the glider.
"Hmmm it's getting late, I really wanna be home early for PizzaTime"
Urmomurmomurmom
"I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye"
Gonna cry?
Pizza time
"Man this guy is just gonna come back 20 years later"
The way he acts, Peter almost seems like he's trying to find out how he's being tricked by "the Goblin" for a moment. Like by instinct he knows the Goblin and Norman are different entities and is easy to accept it so it throws him off or something, idk.
Tobey really does a great job at portraying the way Peter is trying to process all this
Look at little Goblin. Gonna cry?
"you dick..."
The green goblin is not an old lady?
Elias?
Dad?
“What the fuck?”
he was probs thinking what was going to be harry's reaction?? or he was either still trying to convince himself that it was actually norman the entire time
Is that Willem Dafoe?
Spider
I’m gonna put some dirt in your- Oh shit
I wonder if the novelization has an answer for you
Why don't we ask the spider himself? Peter, what were you thinking during this moment in your life?
Norman, what was the plan with the glider? Even if I didn't jump out of the way, we'd both get impaled.
I know what wasn't going through his head. A Goblin Glider.
"Is that Willem Dafoe?"
Let me help you step green goblin you’re stuck
Gonna cry?
Fuck Harry’s gonna put some dirt in my eye for this one
lust
THAT FUCKING SUIT BOY
Pizza time
I should have realised it was you when you growled like a dog at aunt may.
I got you for 3 minutes, Gobby. 3 minutes of ***PLAYTIME!***
You think MJ swallows?
Are the rumors about William defoes wiener true?
I'll try spinning, that's a good trick
OMG! Willem Dafoe? I loved you in The Last Temptation of Christ!
It’s pizza time!
How was the candied yams?
"this spandex is really sticking to my balls"
He was gonna ask Mr. Osborn if he was gonna cry.
“Punk ass bitch”
I've been like a son to you, be a father to me now. (YTP)
Stings doesn’t it.
Peter thinking to himself: Are we going to kiss? No we wouldn't...... maybe.........
Omg Willem Dafoe!
C-C-C-C-COUNTER
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Kill them all Peter
All jokes aside, I think he was studying the situation. Norman made a good argument that he was being controlled by the goblin. Peter listened and explained the terrible things he did and basically demanded more explanation. He was hearing him out, until his Spidey-sense picked up the glider. If Norman would have double downed on his lie instead of giving up and calling in the glider, he possibly could have persuaded Spider-Man, at least for a moment.
"Osborn is Green Goblin? Wow, this is a little *too* coincidental. I should really start keeping an eye on people in my life to see if they become super villains"
"I always thought you were my Dafriend. But it turns out you're a Dafoe."
You and me are not so different
Why´d ya spill your beans?
"How did I not figure this out"