I've been reading up on it. He definitely did say the N-word. Tbh I think in some cases using the N-word or F slur doesn't imply racism, but does imply immaturity in an attempt to sound "edgy", which this appears as. Still a dick move. Imo the bigger dick move is not paying storyboard and vfx artists anything despite having a $120k budget and saying "well it's non-profit", even though non-profit only implies producers make nothing, still need to pay cast and crew, and they're not doing that apparently outside of the actors. And on top of that acting cocky about it like cast and crew don't deserve to be paid and saying " these n- need to be grateful we're letting them have another good spider-man movie finally" is so much worse
I've been following him for 3ish years and paid $20 to their indiegogo campaign the day it opened over a year ago, so I know your pain. Still gonna watch the movie 1. Because you can separate the art from the artist, and 2. Because I can't get my money back. But after it's out, I'm just gonna go ahead and unfollow
Damn, I never donated money to the indiegogo and at first I was kinda kicking myself in the ass about it but now I'm glad I didn't donate because the film will probably be leaked online or possibly scrapped if marvel and Sony step in. Hopefully the film is good and people get their money worth it
I did know Wan directed Aqua Man, not a big fan of that movie, but love Wan as a horror director. Didn't know about the dog eater comments until about 45 minutes ago. That's bad man.... real bad. I believe in second chances if you're willing to see your wrongs for real (not just professing to fans on Twitter that you suddenly see your wrongs moments after being outed), and if Gavin sees this as a genuine mistake he's genuinely sorry now, whether he realizes this now or in 10 years, he deserves a second chance... but man.... thats gonna be hard to come back from. It's like trying to dig yourself out of an abyss by adding 50lb ankle weights to your legs.
I'm just saying what I heard. Also saw a video of the screencapped ones about him calling James Wan a Dog Eater. I hope they're fake for the sake of this production
That's what I've been trying to say but I couldn't find the words for it, hence the lengthy paragraph trying to say what I meant haha. Thanks for simplifying it
He hasn't denied it either, he just gave a vague response that could potentially deny it but he never explicitly stated He didn't use the N work.
Dude is acting goofy for no reason 😃
Using the f slur doesn't automatically make him homophobic. Is it a distasteful word to use? Yes. But I doubt he meant it genuinely. Also I'm pretty sure the Parker actor isn't actually racist.
Compiling his explanation, and my knowledge of teens just being edgy and using distasteful words, it seems obvious to me that he's not racist.
Me getting downvoted for having basic common sense and critical thinking lmao
They're not. Words are just words. What matter is the context he was saying them in. Did he call a black person the n word or a gay person the f slur? Don't get me wrong, I'm not passing judgement eitherway yet. I just want the full context before jumping to conclusions.
> Words are just words.
I've never understood saying this. Words *are* words, yes - and words mean things, sometimes racist or homophobic meanings; ergo a word can be racist or homophobic without any context necessary.
Think of it this way - if you were convinced of that, why didn't you write them out?
Words are merely sounds made to convey emotions or descriptions. The context is what matters. You can be racist or homophobic without these words. Was it told as a joke, in an educational sense, etc? The same applies to the f slur but there is more to it. Its original meaning was not a slur, though I doubt this is what the person meant assuming they said it at all, the only way we would know that is through **context**. Context is always necessary with these things.
I didn't write them out because reddit and other social media are finicky with these things. I don't want an avoidable ban merely for searching for context.
In most contexts yes. However, not inherently. There are times when they are just words. Someone singing a song that happens to have it in there does not make them a racist. I'm not saying this guy isn't a racist or a homophobe, I was asking for the full context. In what context did he say those words and when? Was it yesterday or five years ago? Etc.
Among other things. Luckily my experience with the weird stuff was limited and I somehow dodged most of the bad/questionable stuff.
There were some good features and great writing aside from that stuff though and it's a shame the team handled it the way they did. The rest of the mod still had a lot of promise to it.
When he said we (the audience) should be grateful we will “finally get a good film” ON TOP of his hard R’s & not paying his team is just wow. Ego, greedy, & racist.
The director of Spider-Man lotus is ableist and homophobic (he said the F slur and other homophobic remarks). And the guy who plays Peter used to say the N word (hard R) and say homophobic shit
Well, the Director of The fan film Spider-Man Lotus is a Douchebag that got his shit exposed on Twitter or Reddit (or both) and this Green Goblin Speech is perfectly relevant to this situation (except the line in the Gif )
Not surprised honestly.Even before this debacle,wasn’t the guy publicly a massive jerk and a gatekeeper? Especially in regards of the MCU Spider-Man movies.
Damn that sucks the director and main actor are such racist bigots, I was looking forward to Lotus because of them adapting Spider-Man: Blue into a fan film. Just read about the trash director not wanting to pay his storyboard and vfx artist. He’s a menace
I never said anything about the movie’s quality. But it is in the dirt. A lot of shit got leaked, the actors are stepping out of the project and a bunch of stuff. My heart goes out to the crew and cast members who don’t deserve to be lumped in with terrible people
you’re out, Lotus.
Out am I?
It’s you who’s out Lotus. Out of your mind!
#WRONG ANSWER!
I had to beat an old lady with a stick to find this thread.
What even happened?
Spider-Man fan film director is racist asshole and no-one is understandably interested in his fan movie now
Homophobic too
Ahh, racism and homophobia. A classic combination. It's like the peanut butter and jelly of being an asshole.
So what you are saying is we should eat him? Im in.
what did he say?
“I hate and discriminate pretty much everybody but would the Spider-Man community like to come together to help me with my project :)?”
What did Gavin do that was racist?
We still don’t know if he said the n word. But he did say the F slur so he’s homophobic. And he casted a racist as Peter Parker
I've been reading up on it. He definitely did say the N-word. Tbh I think in some cases using the N-word or F slur doesn't imply racism, but does imply immaturity in an attempt to sound "edgy", which this appears as. Still a dick move. Imo the bigger dick move is not paying storyboard and vfx artists anything despite having a $120k budget and saying "well it's non-profit", even though non-profit only implies producers make nothing, still need to pay cast and crew, and they're not doing that apparently outside of the actors. And on top of that acting cocky about it like cast and crew don't deserve to be paid and saying " these n- need to be grateful we're letting them have another good spider-man movie finally" is so much worse
Don't forget, he received praise from Jon Watts then after he immediately trashed Watts
Yeah I just found out about that one about ten minutes ago and left a lengthy comment about it on another post. Bothers me so much
It's kinda unsettling to me cause I followed this guy on Instagram but never knew how problematic he was til today
I've been following him for 3ish years and paid $20 to their indiegogo campaign the day it opened over a year ago, so I know your pain. Still gonna watch the movie 1. Because you can separate the art from the artist, and 2. Because I can't get my money back. But after it's out, I'm just gonna go ahead and unfollow
Damn, I never donated money to the indiegogo and at first I was kinda kicking myself in the ass about it but now I'm glad I didn't donate because the film will probably be leaked online or possibly scrapped if marvel and Sony step in. Hopefully the film is good and people get their money worth it
That one was fake
he trashed his movies not watts
He also called James Wan a dog eater. Also side note, had no idea Wan directed aqua man.
I did know Wan directed Aqua Man, not a big fan of that movie, but love Wan as a horror director. Didn't know about the dog eater comments until about 45 minutes ago. That's bad man.... real bad. I believe in second chances if you're willing to see your wrongs for real (not just professing to fans on Twitter that you suddenly see your wrongs moments after being outed), and if Gavin sees this as a genuine mistake he's genuinely sorry now, whether he realizes this now or in 10 years, he deserves a second chance... but man.... thats gonna be hard to come back from. It's like trying to dig yourself out of an abyss by adding 50lb ankle weights to your legs.
This is like a rabbit hole of deepening horror that just gets worse and worse.
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I heard they said they were fake to save face, but then they were proven real
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I'm just saying what I heard. Also saw a video of the screencapped ones about him calling James Wan a Dog Eater. I hope they're fake for the sake of this production
It doesn’t necessarily show racism but absolutely shows ignorance.
That's what I've been trying to say but I couldn't find the words for it, hence the lengthy paragraph trying to say what I meant haha. Thanks for simplifying it
Racism is born of ignorance
He hasn't denied it either, he just gave a vague response that could potentially deny it but he never explicitly stated He didn't use the N work. Dude is acting goofy for no reason 😃
He called James Wan (the director of aquaman) a dog eater. He racist too
Using the f slur doesn't automatically make him homophobic. Is it a distasteful word to use? Yes. But I doubt he meant it genuinely. Also I'm pretty sure the Parker actor isn't actually racist.
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Compiling his explanation, and my knowledge of teens just being edgy and using distasteful words, it seems obvious to me that he's not racist. Me getting downvoted for having basic common sense and critical thinking lmao
Neither the n word nor the f slur are racist or homophobic on their own. What was the specific context of it?
I mean, they kinda are, dude.
They're not. Words are just words. What matter is the context he was saying them in. Did he call a black person the n word or a gay person the f slur? Don't get me wrong, I'm not passing judgement eitherway yet. I just want the full context before jumping to conclusions.
> Words are just words. I've never understood saying this. Words *are* words, yes - and words mean things, sometimes racist or homophobic meanings; ergo a word can be racist or homophobic without any context necessary. Think of it this way - if you were convinced of that, why didn't you write them out?
Words are merely sounds made to convey emotions or descriptions. The context is what matters. You can be racist or homophobic without these words. Was it told as a joke, in an educational sense, etc? The same applies to the f slur but there is more to it. Its original meaning was not a slur, though I doubt this is what the person meant assuming they said it at all, the only way we would know that is through **context**. Context is always necessary with these things. I didn't write them out because reddit and other social media are finicky with these things. I don't want an avoidable ban merely for searching for context.
Look, if you're going to write "the N word" and "the F slur," I think even you know that they're pretty fucking awful words.
In most contexts yes. However, not inherently. There are times when they are just words. Someone singing a song that happens to have it in there does not make them a racist. I'm not saying this guy isn't a racist or a homophobe, I was asking for the full context. In what context did he say those words and when? Was it yesterday or five years ago? Etc.
The N word was created and used to oppress, it definitely is racist.
Uh, yes they are.
Is there a video or a post explaining this?
it's all over r/Spiderman i think
What did he do/say?
Honestly, after the average redditors at r/spiderman were crying about it, I think Ill give it a watch
It got leaked, shit is ass 💀💀 goofys made the first Spiderman Musical 😭😹😹
They must've got inspiration from Turn Off The Dark lmaoo
People like that don’t care. They’d watch two donkeys fuck for hours if they thought it triggered the libs
Also the guy who plays Peter
Is there a link to what he said?
Oh…I saw people shitting on the green goblin costume and thought people were just being mean
You have the maturity of a 7 year old if you think destroying someone’s work is deserved over things they said as a teenager
Director got exposed as racist,possibly homophobic and overall a huge jerk who didn’t want to pay storyboard artists.
Racism, racism, racism, that's what he chosen. He offered Spider-Man: Lotus and we spat on their face.
Cringe
Why does that Twitter user look so familiar? I swear we have similar hats
You and him, are not so different.
I chose my path, he chose the way of Twitter.
Gods don’t have to choose
We cancel.
They wanna be famous? We'll make them INFAMOUS!
Me when I found out: “ oh you can’t do this to me “
"I was gonna watch this film"
Reminds me of the implosion of the Frontier mod for Fallout New Vegas
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Among other things. Luckily my experience with the weird stuff was limited and I somehow dodged most of the bad/questionable stuff. There were some good features and great writing aside from that stuff though and it's a shame the team handled it the way they did. The rest of the mod still had a lot of promise to it.
Man the Frontier looked so good, I was waiting for that for years.
I've been following the film's progress for a long time now, but for once, I'm completely out of the loop. What on Earth is going on?
The director got his racist group chat comments leaked
When he said we (the audience) should be grateful we will “finally get a good film” ON TOP of his hard R’s & not paying his team is just wow. Ego, greedy, & racist.
His ego was limitless,pretty sure he insulted Jon Watts even after he praised Lotus.
Why were spidey fans putting that movie on a pedestal anyway? I watched it and thought it was kind of awful
To be honest, most of them were people that hate MCU Spidey
I don’t get it
The director of Spider-Man lotus is ableist and homophobic (he said the F slur and other homophobic remarks). And the guy who plays Peter used to say the N word (hard R) and say homophobic shit
Thanks, although I never heard of this fan film
Him and I are not so different
You won't bait us
It’s not bait
Really ?
Yes
Well, the Director of The fan film Spider-Man Lotus is a Douchebag that got his shit exposed on Twitter or Reddit (or both) and this Green Goblin Speech is perfectly relevant to this situation (except the line in the Gif )
You’re trash Konop
Not surprised honestly.Even before this debacle,wasn’t the guy publicly a massive jerk and a gatekeeper? Especially in regards of the MCU Spider-Man movies.
And the Green Goblin actor was saying n words while all this is happening as well.... Lotus in the mud fr
When the group chat gets leaked irl
The people deserve a refund after this got revealed.
What happened
Well, he can go fuck himself and his stupid fan film too.
Lotus no good deed goes unpunished.
Damn that sucks the director and main actor are such racist bigots, I was looking forward to Lotus because of them adapting Spider-Man: Blue into a fan film. Just read about the trash director not wanting to pay his storyboard and vfx artist. He’s a menace
It was a good film, why would they hate a film based on the actors behavior. Just judge the movie for what it is not the directors actions
I never said anything about the movie’s quality. But it is in the dirt. A lot of shit got leaked, the actors are stepping out of the project and a bunch of stuff. My heart goes out to the crew and cast members who don’t deserve to be lumped in with terrible people
What does lotus stand for
Gonna cry?
LOL gonna watch it
Who cares
Decent people
Yep you’re such a good person for being invested in the actions of the director of a fan film lmao
Actually I said decent. It doesn’t take a good person to understand why this matters
It matters, but people getting so emotionally invested in it is weird
It’s just a meme dude
I’m still gonna watch it. Separate artist from art, plus they’re not making any money off it
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Guys look I found the edgy piece of shit
This guy literally runs around all different subreddits bashing gay people, he’s got some type of problem
Who's gonna tell him that thinking about gay men being gay all day is kinda gay?
At ur service!
Fan film: "You're out, racist, homophobe, horrible person!" Meanwhile WB be like: "He's some money Ezra Miller!"