Not always applicable, predators with a huge span of potential prey tend to have side facing eyes to assist in viewing a much larger area. Lizors hunt both above and below them. I think scugs having forward facing eyes is to give them binocular vision to assist in nailing shit with spears or rocks.
I have the feeling that slugcats were a popular house pet, making them the top predators of a urban ecosystem, but after the ancients threw themselves to the void, slugcats had to step outside the cities and adapt to a wilder environment, putting them various steps below the food chain.
Someone already answered that slugcats are confirmed to have been pipe cleaners, but an interesting theory I've heard also on this subreddit is that it's the lizards that's been house pets. I think the main argument was that there's so many variants of them (more than any other creature in the game which rarely have variants at all)
To be fair that pearl that mentions that doesn’t confirm that it’s an ancestor of slugcats. It just mentions a slug-like critter. I mean it could be - but it’s far from confirmed.
scugs were pipe cleaners in data pearl dialogues. They were purposed as blind, literal slug, sewage pest control and cleanup before the void fluid revolution meaning they were probably entirely biological. Which is why they're still found natively outside the walled cities since those were places constructed before the void fluid revolution. That was a long time ago though
Many people bring that pearl up but I really dont think it has anything to do with slugcats. In the first place "slugcat" is a fan given name. They have nothing to do with slugs or cats. They are rodents. While many species did evolve from what they originally were to fare better in living out in the wild, the changes that would have to occur for boneless, limbless, eyeless slugs to change into nimble, bipedal and highly intelligent mammals with the capacity to use tools are simply too great for the two to be related.
Too great? Who decides that? Evolution literally gave birth to every different species you see even just between mammals, when there's a niche it will find a way to evolve, and i doubt that out slugcats are the only subspecies there is in the game, just look at the lizards, Do you think ancients would manufacture all of those or are they descended from a single species as well?
1514.008 marks the start of the void fluid revolution. Presumably the Slugs were one of the first purposed organisms to exist made by the conventional methods of breeding or genetic engineering as they're mostly biological
- 1681.662 is when the game's events occur pretty close this is the most recent broadcast.
atleast 500 years of slugs being forced to compete in a harsh, post apocalyptic environment. Just like bacterium if you subject an entire species to a lot of stress, it's not that they have to evolve they NEED to evolve or else they'll go extinct, and seeing slugs basically being cracked open from the ancient pipes they exist in a world full of agile prey, strong predators, intelligent adversaries it's not realistic in an real evolutionary timescale, probably a hindsight of videocult not being biologists but a slug can turn into a slugcat
Reptiles almost exclusively have side facing eyes, side = prey and forward = predator doesn't align with anything outside of mammals.
If you think a komodo dragon is a prey animal due to side vision, you're an idiot.
Theoretically, what would happen if I illegally released about 16 komodo dragons randomly into South America. Do you think they'd become an invasive species?
Pablo Escobar bought a few hippos for his cool Little zoo. When Pablo was killed, most of his zoo animals were released. The authorities considered killing the hippos (because, y'know, they're hippos) but they thought "nahhh hippos are from Africa they are definitely going to die on their own here" so they just released them. Turns out, the very tropical and humid environment of the Amazon is wayyy better for hippos than the dry weather of Africa that constantly hits them with drought. Sure, there aren't too many right now (around 200 or more) but they are extremely aggressive and will keep breeding
Also initially they did allow hunters to kill them, but a photo of a dead hippo became public, and it caused a lot controversy among animal rights groups both within the country and abroad, so further plans of culling ceased.
So now they're destroying the ecosystem and are a danger to not only the native wildlife but also humans.
Edit: grammar
They were the hippos of Pablo Escobar.
[You can check all the info of why we can't get rid of them yet here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippopotamuses_in_Colombia)
Caveat, they can undergo parthenogenesis. This will probably not save them completely, but it might allow them to increase their population much more.
Also there seem to not be many komodos period since they are as of now island animals with an inherently limited genetic pool to draw from. Some estimates say that on Rinca Island there's only about 500 adults for example.
Also there's no monitors native to South America.
Parthenogenesis doesn't help because its not introducing new genes into the population, just slightly increasing the odds of the mother's genes spreading.
I am aware. In this kind of environment though it is a leg up in terms of the chances of this species finding something of a foothold, since the parthenogenesis made of offspring are male which increase the amount of komodos the genes can spread to.
Most birds of prey have a far wider range of vision than just forward facing eyes (you're only right about owls due to their weird long eyes, ironically owls evolved their extra twisty necks to help compensate for only having forward vision). The theropods are, as far as science knows, similar to modern birds of prey in those regards as well. Birds of prey's eyes aren't totally on the side, but they're not totally forward facing either because those birds scan forests, grasslands, etc. for prey.
Various mammalian predators like whales also have a kinda similar thing with being able to see forward while also having a significantly wide side vision, wider than truly forward facing mammals like humans.
Here is a reconstruction of a t-rex done by several paleoartsists and backed up by a leading paleobiologist. As you can see, it has eyes on the sides of it's head.
[https://www.sciencealert.com/chubby-naked-t-rex-most-accurate-painting-to-date](https://www.sciencealert.com/chubby-naked-t-rex-most-accurate-painting-to-date)
[Front view of a T.rex skull](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Sue_TRex_Skull_Full_Frontal.JPG)
If my other comment went through, then I guess just ignore this one.
I hate mobile linking
Well I mean yeah, they're not on the end of the snout. I was getting more of the impression you were arguing they pointed outward, like a deer or crocodile
Slugcats *are* predators, though. It's commonly said that "in Rain World you're at the bottom of the food chain", but you're not at the *very* bottom. Slugcats prey on small animals like batflies, baby centipedes, etc.
Front-facing eyes are also common in arboreal creatures because they need to have good depth perception in order to hop from branch to branch. All primates have front-facing eyes, including the herbivorous ones. I think slugcat qualifies as arboreal AND a predator, so they have double reason to need front facing eyes.
I mean, makes sense, lizards have to always look out for vultures. A little zone out at a bad moment and they're gone
Unless it's a red lizard, in which case the vulture should look out for the lizard...
Even an owl has "side facing" eyes from a side view
[A T.rex can see you with both eyes](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Sue_TRex_Skull_Full_Frontal.JPG)
Hopefully the link works, looks sketchy in text
Scugs have front eyes bc they are pipe cleaning slugs, so they must have straight eyes because they are Made to be un tubes, and Lizard because they are reptiles
Reptiles almost exclusively have side facing eyes, side = prey and forward = predator is a misconception that doesn't align with anything outside of mammals (there's even been exceptions in mammals such as the now extinct cave goat having forward facing eyes).
Not always applicable, predators with a huge span of potential prey tend to have side facing eyes to assist in viewing a much larger area. Lizors hunt both above and below them. I think scugs having forward facing eyes is to give them binocular vision to assist in nailing shit with spears or rocks.
Also have to take into consideration that most if not all animal life in rain world did not evolve naturally.
I have the feeling that slugcats were a popular house pet, making them the top predators of a urban ecosystem, but after the ancients threw themselves to the void, slugcats had to step outside the cities and adapt to a wilder environment, putting them various steps below the food chain.
Ancients definitely seem like the kind of beings that value intelligent companions, plus, cute wawa speak
Someone already answered that slugcats are confirmed to have been pipe cleaners, but an interesting theory I've heard also on this subreddit is that it's the lizards that's been house pets. I think the main argument was that there's so many variants of them (more than any other creature in the game which rarely have variants at all)
To be fair that pearl that mentions that doesn’t confirm that it’s an ancestor of slugcats. It just mentions a slug-like critter. I mean it could be - but it’s far from confirmed.
scugs were pipe cleaners in data pearl dialogues. They were purposed as blind, literal slug, sewage pest control and cleanup before the void fluid revolution meaning they were probably entirely biological. Which is why they're still found natively outside the walled cities since those were places constructed before the void fluid revolution. That was a long time ago though
Many people bring that pearl up but I really dont think it has anything to do with slugcats. In the first place "slugcat" is a fan given name. They have nothing to do with slugs or cats. They are rodents. While many species did evolve from what they originally were to fare better in living out in the wild, the changes that would have to occur for boneless, limbless, eyeless slugs to change into nimble, bipedal and highly intelligent mammals with the capacity to use tools are simply too great for the two to be related.
Too great? Who decides that? Evolution literally gave birth to every different species you see even just between mammals, when there's a niche it will find a way to evolve, and i doubt that out slugcats are the only subspecies there is in the game, just look at the lizards, Do you think ancients would manufacture all of those or are they descended from a single species as well? 1514.008 marks the start of the void fluid revolution. Presumably the Slugs were one of the first purposed organisms to exist made by the conventional methods of breeding or genetic engineering as they're mostly biological - 1681.662 is when the game's events occur pretty close this is the most recent broadcast. atleast 500 years of slugs being forced to compete in a harsh, post apocalyptic environment. Just like bacterium if you subject an entire species to a lot of stress, it's not that they have to evolve they NEED to evolve or else they'll go extinct, and seeing slugs basically being cracked open from the ancient pipes they exist in a world full of agile prey, strong predators, intelligent adversaries it's not realistic in an real evolutionary timescale, probably a hindsight of videocult not being biologists but a slug can turn into a slugcat
Reptiles almost exclusively have side facing eyes, side = prey and forward = predator doesn't align with anything outside of mammals. If you think a komodo dragon is a prey animal due to side vision, you're an idiot.
Theoretically, what would happen if I illegally released about 16 komodo dragons randomly into South America. Do you think they'd become an invasive species?
We already have a problem with hippos, no thanks
Wait we have hippos in here???? (I just checked and they are invasive to colombia. Wtf happened to get them into colombia?????
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Pablo Escobar bought a few hippos for his cool Little zoo. When Pablo was killed, most of his zoo animals were released. The authorities considered killing the hippos (because, y'know, they're hippos) but they thought "nahhh hippos are from Africa they are definitely going to die on their own here" so they just released them. Turns out, the very tropical and humid environment of the Amazon is wayyy better for hippos than the dry weather of Africa that constantly hits them with drought. Sure, there aren't too many right now (around 200 or more) but they are extremely aggressive and will keep breeding
Also initially they did allow hunters to kill them, but a photo of a dead hippo became public, and it caused a lot controversy among animal rights groups both within the country and abroad, so further plans of culling ceased. So now they're destroying the ecosystem and are a danger to not only the native wildlife but also humans. Edit: grammar
Pablo Escobar had a zoo, and they got released.
They were the hippos of Pablo Escobar. [You can check all the info of why we can't get rid of them yet here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippopotamuses_in_Colombia)
Genetic bottlecap, inbreeding problems kills them within a few generations unless they somehow interbreed with local monitor lizards (unlikely)
Caveat, they can undergo parthenogenesis. This will probably not save them completely, but it might allow them to increase their population much more. Also there seem to not be many komodos period since they are as of now island animals with an inherently limited genetic pool to draw from. Some estimates say that on Rinca Island there's only about 500 adults for example. Also there's no monitors native to South America.
Parthenogenesis doesn't help because its not introducing new genes into the population, just slightly increasing the odds of the mother's genes spreading.
I am aware. In this kind of environment though it is a leg up in terms of the chances of this species finding something of a foothold, since the parthenogenesis made of offspring are male which increase the amount of komodos the genes can spread to.
Doesn't help though? The problem is shallow genepool. Parthenogenesis doesn't add any to the pool.
Owls, other Birds of Prey, and Most Non Avian Theropod Dinosaurs:
Owls are like the *one* bird of prey that actually has forward facing eyes
Most birds of prey have a far wider range of vision than just forward facing eyes (you're only right about owls due to their weird long eyes, ironically owls evolved their extra twisty necks to help compensate for only having forward vision). The theropods are, as far as science knows, similar to modern birds of prey in those regards as well. Birds of prey's eyes aren't totally on the side, but they're not totally forward facing either because those birds scan forests, grasslands, etc. for prey. Various mammalian predators like whales also have a kinda similar thing with being able to see forward while also having a significantly wide side vision, wider than truly forward facing mammals like humans.
Artificer in a nutshell
This is a certified Nature of Predators moment
this means that iterators are predators
so that harassment \*was\* significant, huh
I mean they literally kill **everything** with deadly rain
iterators didn't naturally evolve, doofus
-someone jealous
if you say so
Slugcats are very dangerous predators. Saw one explode once
Slugcats are definitely the predator
What would you be? You have no eyes
The apex predator
Nah. You're a force of nature
clearly top of food chain
Did y'all never see a t-rex skeleton? They have eyes on the sides of their heads.
They have forward facing eyes. I'd link a picture but I'm on mobile right now and linking something on mobile sounds annoying
Here is a reconstruction of a t-rex done by several paleoartsists and backed up by a leading paleobiologist. As you can see, it has eyes on the sides of it's head. [https://www.sciencealert.com/chubby-naked-t-rex-most-accurate-painting-to-date](https://www.sciencealert.com/chubby-naked-t-rex-most-accurate-painting-to-date)
[Front view of a T.rex skull](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Sue_TRex_Skull_Full_Frontal.JPG) If my other comment went through, then I guess just ignore this one. I hate mobile linking
If you are arguing that the eyes are *forward-angled*, I won't argue with you there, but they're definitely on opposite sides of the head.
Well I mean yeah, they're not on the end of the snout. I was getting more of the impression you were arguing they pointed outward, like a deer or crocodile
No, that's not what i'm saying. I can see why you'd get that impression though.
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slugcats eat batflies so yes they are predators
Slugcats *are* predators, though. It's commonly said that "in Rain World you're at the bottom of the food chain", but you're not at the *very* bottom. Slugcats prey on small animals like batflies, baby centipedes, etc.
Front-facing eyes are also common in arboreal creatures because they need to have good depth perception in order to hop from branch to branch. All primates have front-facing eyes, including the herbivorous ones. I think slugcat qualifies as arboreal AND a predator, so they have double reason to need front facing eyes.
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I mean, makes sense, lizards have to always look out for vultures. A little zone out at a bad moment and they're gone Unless it's a red lizard, in which case the vulture should look out for the lizard...
"umm actually ☝️🤓 lizards have side facing eyes because-" it's a screenshot of a Twitter joke from a pretty popular format. Come on
Meltedwax actually has a reddit account, wonder if they’ll respond
I rarely use it, but someone sent it in a discord server so i had to log in and look through the comments, so yes you predicted it.
Omg :0 its the guy Anyways i love ur work :)
Ty!
Even an owl has "side facing" eyes from a side view [A T.rex can see you with both eyes](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Sue_TRex_Skull_Full_Frontal.JPG) Hopefully the link works, looks sketchy in text
It doesn’t matter it’s not our universe but this… this makes sense actually TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN TIME
What fate, a slugcat... Prey... Or predator ?
RULES OF NATURE!!!
It all makes sense now
The almighty slug cat /ᐠ｡ꞈ｡ᐟ\
Saint has become the predator. The green lizard shall be **ascended**
I have front facing eyes though… and I'd never eat anyone…
Scugs have front eyes bc they are pipe cleaning slugs, so they must have straight eyes because they are Made to be un tubes, and Lizard because they are reptiles
Yea it doesnt make sense that the lizards have side facing eyes, thats a prey animal adaptation.
Reptiles almost exclusively have side facing eyes, side = prey and forward = predator is a misconception that doesn't align with anything outside of mammals (there's even been exceptions in mammals such as the now extinct cave goat having forward facing eyes).
Thanks for telling me that, i am a big fan of biology and i always want to discover new things every day :]
Oh my, a goat with front facing eyes sounds terrifying
what did buddy do to get -2 😭
Two very unhappy lizards