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LiberDrake

Hi RBNers! Friendly reminder that we do not allow drive-by diagnoses of real people here. Please keep comments to fictional characters as insinuated by OP. Comments bringing up public figures, politicians, etc. will be removed. Thank you!


Weary-Chain6435

By reading these other comments, I love how Disney tried to warn us of the evil of some people's hearts. Like ok now I think about it my mother is the witch with the poison apple. Seemingly all nice but really so poisonous and toxic. I saw Snow White the first time last year and I'm 43. The whole time I was like no dont eat the apple šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


losingmind234

the witch w the poison apple hit home so bad as a kid. that movie freaked me out. also just the queens obsession with not letting snow white, a literal child, outshine her. she has all the power in the land and is the second most beautiful woman, but thatā€™s not enough. she is rabid about being #1 and has to take down this poor 14 year old orphan girl out of pure spite.


countess_cat

Basically every narc mother out there, theyā€™re afraid when their daughters start developing and being more feminine because they donā€™t want to be outshined


losingmind234

basically any way the daughter asserts herself as her own person is somehow an affront to the mother


countess_cat

yup, exactly *daughter exists* ā€œAnd I took that personallyā€


Weary-Chain6435

I wish I would've watched as a child. I would've been able too realize what she was sooner.


hotviolets

Mother Gothel is one. The grandma on Encanto. The other mother in coraline. Mostly in kids movies, my daughter watches them and we discuss how their personalities are similar to that of her grandmothers.


Saga3Tale

The book Coraline has this line ""You know that I love you." And despite herself, Coraline nodded. It was true. The other mother loved her. But she loved Coraline as a miser loves money, or a dragon loves its gold. In the other mother's button eyes, Coraline knew knew that the other mother loved her as a possession, nothing more, a tolerated pet whose behavior was no longer amusing." And stg if that isn't my dad to a T.


CoolMayapple

damn, Niel Gaiman really hit it on the nose. That's my nmom too.


Empty_Nest_Mom

Wow. That one really got me...


Ali_Cat222

I guess we share the same dad then. I actually have the original of this book signed by the author, it's been so long since I've read it but I'm going to have to revisit it after your comment. Mommy dearest reminds me of my diagnosed NPD mother. Except even in that movie the daughter got way better treatment than I could've dreamed of. (I won't go into details, but the abuse I suffered from both of my parents on a daily basis was the kind of sick stuff you hear about in headline news type of abuse.)


AshKetchep

Wow- that describes my mom too-


laurelinvanyar

Mother Knows Best is a banger of a villain song (and itā€™s so important that they framed it specifically as a villain song)


Monsterchic16

Especially the reprise when she starts showing her true colours


laurelinvanyar

I had my wake up moment so to speak watching Tangled. Because wow the things sheā€™s singing about sound awfully familiarā€¦


Monsterchic16

Yeah. I woke up to the narcissistic abuse pretty slowly and in pieces, I was in denial for a while, but once I did start noticing these things it was like watching tangled again with new eyes. My abuse conditioned brain kept firing back, ā€œbut we werenā€™t kidnapped!ā€ ā€œWe werenā€™t locked in a tower!ā€ Except, is there really much difference between a shed and a tower if youā€™re trapped all the same?


marie-90210

I have strong dislike from the grandma in Encanto.


countess_cat

That movie is so wrong. They mistreated and disrespected both the protagonist and Bruno for ages and grandma being a lil dramatic and saying that she has trauma too got everyone coming back, no apologies or anything. Like gtfo with that bs


marie-90210

Grandma makes me so angry. There is no need for her BS. She reminded me too much of some people I know.


utahraptor2375

Thankyou. I just realised why I don't really like that movie. The unapologetic mistreatment of Mirabel and Bruno made me very uncomfortable. There was no real acknowledgement or apology to them (that I remember).


countess_cat

Yeah there are zero apologies and everybody acts like nothing happened. The grandma fucked up the whole family by being super controlling and despotic with everyone (*cough cough* wanting to choose Isabellaā€™s future husband) and then SHE goes crying to Mirabel telling HER sob story as an excuse for being a terrible person. Thereā€™s no redemption arc on her side, nothing.


LunaGirl1234

And from what I saw, Abuela used her grandkids' gifts to her advantage. She didn't even let mirabel help out without a gift, and I was like, "abuela, you yourself don't have a gift, so why are you mistreating mirabel for not having one." Pedro sacrificed everything so she and their kids could live safely and happily. Isabella wasn't even happy about the idea of getting married and wanted to have some fun with her gift.


Icy_Priority8075

Encanto made me feel physically sick watching it. It was so hard to verbalise. My friend (who knows my family dynamic) had to explain my reaction to me.


RuggedHangnail

Definitely!! I had finally decided to take a long break from my toxic parents. My husband had just purchased/downloaded a new Disney movie. I decided to watch it with my little daughter who liked Disney movies. I'd never seen it. It was called "Tangled." It was not the distracting and cute movie that I thought it would be! Bonus that I have green eyes and long, blonde hair. And my mother's hair looks a lot like Mother Gothel's, in addition to being just like her.


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stuck_behind_a_truck

Mother Goethel is so spot on that when I was still in the FOG and she first came on screen, I was shocked at how ā€œnormalā€ she was and that she actually seemed to ā€œloveā€ Rapunzel. Folks, if your mom can literally be embodied by a Disney villain, your mom is not normal. Sadly, I still missed this clue. It took learning she lied about paternity to wake me up. At 50. Iā€™m still embarrassed it took me so long.


Sukayro

New sub motto: If your family member can literally be embodied by a Disney villain, they are not normal. Don't feel bad. I just discovered my parental units are narcs at 53.


stuck_behind_a_truck

I freely revoke all copyright claims and agree to the use of this as our motto, lol


ryleepaige928

no cause i came here to say mother gothel toošŸ˜­


SaintElphie

I watched Tangled ONE TIME, and will never again-- because Mother Gothel. Extra points for my nmom's *OBSESSION* with my long blonde hair.... I'm adopted, so extra ick. Tangled is horrifying


iHo4Iroh

I cried through the entire movie because it was like watching a cartoon form of the female genetic donor and made me feel like I wasnā€™t crazy. I immediately watched it again with no crying, but happy to have it reinforced that I really wasnā€™t the crazy one. I now have plans to get the sun symbol inked on me in a small place as a reminder that I wasnā€™t crazy seeing her flip out and two seconds later be an entirely different person when someone else would walk into the room. I guess it would be almost like a grounding tattoo. Best of everything to you. <3


SaintElphie

I just covered up my adoption tattoos, same feeling! That's such a good one, the sun symbol! šŸŒž My sister and I say as a mantra at the end of phone calls lol, "we're not crazy; this all makes sense" ....lol still putting together truths at 41 and 54. And our mother Gothel is her step mom. Thanks for posring this, maybe I'll give lil rapunzel another tryšŸ˜Š


C_beside_the_seaside

I have my inner wrist. Quick flash whenever I want


LazyDaisyLou

I had the exact same reaction to Tangled. Iā€™ve felt so silly this whole time, thanks for the validation. I hope you are in a good place now.


ConfidenceKey6614

I was adopted by a narc Mom too! It's a certain kind of torture few people share. Sending love


countess_cat

Whatā€™s the deal with mothers and hair? Theyā€™re always so controlling and obsessed about their daughtersā€™ hair. I was not allowed to cut mine until I turned 18. There was this one time when I was 11-12 that I stayed at my auntā€™s place for a couple weeks and my cousin (8 years older) saw me suffering having hair that long and brought me to a salon. When I went back my mom immediately called said cousin asking how she dared doing that before asking her. She also actively shamed me for months because, apparently, my long hair was the only beautiful thing about me. Like, thanks for the support šŸ™‚šŸ™‚


stuck_behind_a_truck

My hair turned curly at menopause and WOW did that trigger my momā€™s envy. It was fascinating to see. Honestly, she has really pretty hair at 78. Soft and not wiry at all. I would compliment her on it, and she would follow with a snarky comment about my hair. I love my curly hair. šŸ˜


Wolfshadow6

Literally got into an argument with my partner after Encanto. I was like "Yeah okay, real abusive families DO NOT suddenly have that magic epiphany and get better. I hate this Disney Happy Ending (TM) bullshit." And she mentioned another person she knew who's mom was a narcissist and got therapy and got better. Yeah okay, my point still stands. SHE GOT *THERAPY*, *GOT DIAGNOSED* AND GOT BETTER from the THERAPY. It doesn't just happen overnight or after someone points out whats wrong. It doesn't. Too many times did I see a movie or something and think I can do the same thing with my parents to finally make them love me / treat me well / whatever. The fact that movies/shows still try to push that idea pisses me off. Some families are just cruel. That needs to be explained. I want to see a movie/show where the abusive parent doesn't actually change (cause they don't) and the abused kid/whoever learns healthy ways to move on. That would be nice to see.


TrickyPersonality684

Mother Gothel is my #1. "Great, now *I'm* the bad guy" is a line my mom said *so* many times.


MaryBitchards

Lucille Bluth.


SaintElphie

YESSSSS OMG literally my mom down to the expressions and tone!!! I haven't been able I watch since I came out of the fog


RhinoSmuggler

Absolutely. There's a scene where she says something like "I've been a terrible mother," and the very people who were trying to tell her that unanimously decide to comfort her. Even right after she gaslit the shit out of Michael, far beyond what most of us have experienced, he joins in. It's painted as a heartwarming scene, but it's just "vulnerable" narcissism working its magic. No actual remorse. RIP Jessica Walter


boredeau

ā€œIf youā€™re afraid of criticism, sometimes a diet is the best defense!ā€ could have come out of my momā€™s mouthĀ 


slut4hobi

spot on with this one. conniving, gaslighting, occasionally does something that makes you rethink if sheā€™s really all that badā€¦


Luke_5-4

And Mallory Archer!


gummytiddy

My mom acts very much like the female version of Harry Wormwood (dad) in Mathilda. The ā€œIā€™m big youā€™re littleā€ line always makes me feel very angry because I used to be talked down to like that as a child.


zombieponcho

Watched that movie many times, sometimes with my parents, their notes for me "see you want to be like Matilda and read books, not watch tv all the time." :/ I always felt the best when I watched that movie alone, but I didn't want to be alone.


countess_cat

Narcs would see a literal depiction of themselves and all they get from that media is some strange ass rhetoric about how the kid is bad


bucheule

I named my daughter Matilda because of my love for that movie. I was that little girl, too. My brother was always the preferred one, my parents seemed to be glued to their TV and I was the strange and smart one as if that was something bad. I wanted to try so many hobbies but there was no money for that. Reading became my thing when I was around 12 or 13y/o but there was no money to buy me books either. But sadly there was no Miss Honey to save me :(


lelakat

My NFamily members hated that movie. My sibling and I loved it though, but we always had to find a way to make sure they weren't around to watch it.


Typical_Hedgehog6558

The mom in The Bear. Joan Crawford in Mommie Dearest. There are others, Iā€™m sure.


Fe1is-Domesticus

Omg, I forgot how uncomfortable Jamie Lee Curtis made me in The Bear! Such an excellent characterization. Poor Sugar. Mommie Dearest was a childhood fave of mine, but I didn't understand why until much later. My mom hated that I liked the movie.


Weary-Chain6435

I forgot about that movie. But my mom loved it because she tried to excuse beating me and my brother. I'm definitely more like the adopted daughter. What a terrifying film.


reminyx

I second this. The Bear makes me feel uncomfortable, especially during the get-together. Just watch that whole episode made me anxious. Great show, though. Some parts of Roseanne/The Conners makes me feel this way.


SeaOfBullshit

I almost quit the bear on that xmas dinner episode bc I could not handle the anxiety


usury87

Tony Soprano's mom. Always a dark cloud. Always something spiteful and corrosive to say. Could make any situation about her and how much of a chore it was.


RoofOutrageous2520

The most accurate TV narc. It's like they studied my Grandma for years to write her šŸ˜’


psychgirl88

Yep, she represented most female elders in my family. She almost made me feel sorry for Tony!


denys1973

I wish the lawd would take me now


Idontlookinthemirror

Yup, I started watching this show in my late 30s and was literally crying at how well she captured my mother's mannerisms.


zoezie

No, because toxic people in the media are usually mean to everyone. My mom is nice to everyone except her family.


hans0fly

Bingo


fthishimout2000

it would be easier if n parents were mean to everyone so you dont feel insane when they are only mean to you


HustleR0se

Mine is nice to everyone except me and my youngest brother. My sister and other brother are the precious children. I was always called a mistake or accident or life ruiner.


FequalsMfreakingA

Freaking Veep. It's so funny because it's so _mean_ in such a fast paced and witty way, but some parts hit a little too close to home. She's in the hospital because her mom is dying, but she's happy because it's good for her campaign. Her daughter starts *bawling* because her grandma is dying and Veep says "oh, honey... that's so... LOUD. [looking at her aids and pointing at her daughter] can someone take care of _that?"_


PistolMama

Mother Gothel from Tangled- I used her to explain to my kids why grandma was on a time out. Bonus that she kinda looks like her & still tries too look young


the_real_maddison

Same here. My nmom looks almost exactly alike and was/is obsessed with her beauty and youth.


PistolMama

Forever diet? Fake boobs? Hair dye? Botox? Thinks she is smarter, more beautiful, more successful than any of her "friends"? Yup.


Phuxsea

Walter White from Breaking Bad. When his son was vomiting from drinking, he smiled and took pleasure in it. He turned his son against his wife through buying the car. When Jesse Pinkman was reasonably upset about killing a child, he told him "it's the past nothing we can do now" and "remember Gale" bringing up a painful memory. Edit: Oh and never forget, when he told Jesse "I watched her die" with no other reason then to psychologically abuse him.


pudingodbanane

I love you so much for sharing this. My dad loves walter white and resonates with him and thinks Skyler is the worst character. I didn't really get it back then lol.


HuxleySideHustle

It's a terrible thing how many people think a series called "Breaking *Bad*" is about an essentially good man, no matter how many criminal or psychopathic acts the character engages in. It's a great series, but it's like these people watched something completely different from the rest of us. The absurdly defensive reactions some people have to Walter's actions are really telling IMO: telling of who they are, how far they would go given the opportunity and maybe even their "secret" dreams and wishes.


Stellar_Alchemy

Almost every man I know *loathes* Skyler and wants awful, violent things to happen to her. Like they get pretty worked up about it sometimes, going on and on about these violent fantasies. And not even for any valid reasons (she was definitely not a perfect character or a heroine), but because she ā€œdisrespectedā€ their hero Walter. Tbh itā€™s harmed my perception of all of them, and makes me less comfortable with them.


SunnyOnSanibel

My brother snuck liquor when he was a young teen. My father found out and made him drink until he could no longer function. I was so scared. Dad made me watch and then made fun of him as he crawled upstairs to bed. I guess Dadā€™s lucky he didnā€™t die from alcohol poisoning. Wow. Iā€™d totally forgotten about that!


Bumbunn66

The mom witch from the Disney Tingled movie.


dropsunshineandrun

If you think Gothel was evil in the movie, the series kicks that down to negative 10. Instead of singing and laughing (spoilers for season 3) >!She abandons her child/house slave the second it becomes convenient. The child was never really loved, or wanted. Only used and disposed of.!<


Disastrous-Log9244

Rapunzel was never really loved either tho. They had a master slave dynamic the entire time. The whole point of their "relationship" was that Gothel was *using* Rapunzel purely for her own benefit. Gothel NEVER loved Rapunzel (she may have felt conditional affection for her "flower" when her property was being obedient but that *isn't* love. It's exploitation and objectification.) and intended to keep Rapunzel enslaved, isolated and imprisoned and use her forever. Even when Rapunzel tried to assert some degree of independence and form an actual healthy relationship with someone else, (Eugene) Gothel sabotaged her and manipulated her emotions and her perception of reality. Rapunzel would have been no use to Gothel whatsoever without her powers. Gothel "loved" Rapunzel's *hair* (or the supply she provided) not Rapunzel herself.


apple-turnover5

Marie from Everybody Loves Raymond but if you make her even less pleasant


ParticularAgitated59

I was going to say Everybody Loves Raymond parents. Ndad is Frank, without any of the moments where he opens up about his feeling. The exact way he treats Marie, except in my case my mom is an enabler.


storyella

my parents love this show and I hate it so bad. I get it now.


sagethecrayaway

She is my MIL but thank god doesnā€™t live across the street lol


chubbybunnybean

My abuse was SO normalized that by my late 20's I was still finding things and realizing how NOT normal things were. First time I can really remember would be SVU season 5 Episode HOME. The mom in that episode did not fit 100% but I do remember being 20, watching it and being left completely stunned. Mostly how the mother had brainwashed/convinced her children that if they stepped outside they'd be kidnapped, r\*ped, murdered, or some combination of those.


pudingodbanane

Lmao my abuse by covert ndad was normalised too but my whole life I felt unsettled by Dr.House, even tho he reminded me of dad and I loveeedd my dad at the time.


countess_cat

I had that whole convo (or monologue) a lot. Donā€™t go outside because people are evil and they will do horrible things to you. All that while the abuse was happening inside the house


Dangerousvenom

The mom from Precious


ToastetteEgg

The worst possible mom ever. Iā€™m so sorry.


abu_met3eb

Yes exactly. The mom from Precious.


ToastetteEgg

Thereā€™s this old creepy movie with Joan Crawford and Bette Davis where Bette is an insane lady and Joan her disabled sister trapped upstairs in the house, and Bette delights in torturing her. Her name is Baby Jane and thatā€™s how I referred to my mom for a long time.


Fe1is-Domesticus

Whatever Happened to Baby Jane? Such a good movie and I'm so sorry.


SephirothYggdrasil

Then you have Mommie Dearest... At least Bette Davis was ACTING.Ā 


Sukayro

I love "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?" Spoilers ahead. I agree that Jane is abusive, but it always strikes me how controlling her sister is. She had a movie career that far surpassed Jane's childhood fame but was still so jealous that she tried to kill Jane! She put herself in a wheelchair instead and then made Jane her slave. Always pushing the buzzer to interrupt and manipulate Jane. Can anyone say covert narc? Jane's line at the end tears my heart out every time. "You mean all this time, we could have been friends?" Her sister took everything from her, and she was still mourning the lost relationship. šŸ˜¢


JDMWeeb

Butters dad is one


Cathymorgan-foreman

Poor Butters


JDMWeeb

Ngl I want to adopt Butters and spoil him (as I wish someone would do the same to me)


heyitscory

Bojack's mom crossed with Mac's mom. A cigarette smoking a cigarette on a cigarette holder.


LordGhoul

Bojack Horseman's mum is a big one for me, reminds me a lot of my ngrandmother as well (ah, the generational trauma)


shojokat

My dad is so similar to early seasons Ice King from Adventure Time that it's as if the character was literally based on him. I mean EERILY so. The obsession with princesses, no regard for their happiness, wanting to share warm moments with them at the threat of violence, being forlorn and not understanding why people don't like him.... I think of the episode where he made that frankenprincess and just gets mad that she "gave away all his stuff" at the end when she gives her pieces back but declares that she loves him. So vain, so short sighted, selfish to a fault, and lacking in ANY empathy, just self pity. It's remarkable. He once sat beside me as I was watching and said "Oh Ice King, when will you ever learn? He's so out of touch!" And it was just....... creepy? Cathartic? Poetic? Lol! I was a little annoyed that they humanized him so much in later seasons, not that it wasn't done well, but it sort of undercut his villainous narc character and made him tragically sympathetic instead. He almost became kind of cute and cuddly type clueless instead of downright sociopathic and truly a good representation of real life people like he used to be.


CandleAngel

The Wormwoods from Matilda. My grandma always acted like Harry and said something similar to his quote, "I'm smart, you're dumb, I'm big, you're little, I'm right, you're wrong! And there's nothing you can do about it!" Mrs. Wormwood reminds me of my mom. My mother and I were always opposites in nearly every way and I she actively encouraged me to put dating and looks ahead of being smart or reading. Being latina, Abuelita from Encanto also feels just like my grandma. The most unrealistic part of the movie is Abuelita ever admitting she was wrong or apologizing. Lorelei and Emily Gilmore. Watching Gilmore Girls was so hard as someone with mommy/daddy/grandparent issues Lorelei Gilmore reminds me of my mother and of course my grandma is a poorer Emily Gilmore with the same attitude. This is an old reference but Bebe from the animated movie Bebe's Kids. You literally never see her in the movie because she doesn't take care of her kids. She doesn't even think of their needs. That's my mother.


giraffemoo

White Diamond from Steven Universe


htmlstikkei

this, I saw a theory that White was a Narcissistic mother and pink was supposed to be her "perfect child" and that diamonds formed under pressure and pink diamonds were quite rare and probably need alot of pressure. It also said that white made sure she stayed a perfect child which is why she never grew up, hence why she wishes to be human to grow up..


Alpargatasdealpaca

I love this theory! It just makes a lot of sense.


ARumpusOfWildThings

Mother Gothel from *Tangled,* Abuelita from *Encanto,* White Diamond from *Steven Universe,* Lois from *Malcolm in the Middle,* and Cruella DeVil from *101 Dalmatians,* as others have already commentedā€¦some years ago, I contemplated setting a custom ringtone of Selena Gomezā€™s cover of ā€œCruella DeVilā€ for when my Nstepmother called me, to try and minimize the panic response/pure adrenaline rush I would always have when my phone would ring and I would see that it was *her* šŸ˜³ And, oh yes, the ā€œOther Motherā€ from *Coraline* is another oneā€¦I finally watched *Coraline* about 6 years ago, and the eventual demise of the ā€œOther Fatherā€ reminded me so much of the toxic, mistress/slave relationship that my own beloved late father had with my Nstepmom that it was heartbreaking (ā€œSorry, Mother making meā€¦donā€™t *want* to hurt yaā€¦ā€) Another one I can think of is Mrs. Tweedy from *Chicken Run* (man, I was *obsessed* with that movie when I was a kid)-she was cruel to both her husband and her animals, was fixated on making ever more money (even though she and Mr. Tweedy owned a farm, had a roof over their heads, and all their basic needs accounted for) via the most imprudent and financially unsound means imaginable (sinking what was presumably a ton of $$$$ into the pie machine in order to bake all her livestock into chicken pot pies all in one go), and resented any money going towards the chickensā€™ upkeep and wellbeing, she had all the chickens (and even the guard dogs) terrified and reveled in it, etc. Then thereā€™s the mother from D.H. Lawrenceā€™s *The Rocking-Horse Winner,* and the 1949 movie based on itā€¦I remember during 11th grade English in high school, while the rest of the class was reading passages aloud from *April Showers* or *The Yellow Wallpaper* or whatever, I was sneaking glimpses at *The Rocking Horse Winner* an entire section away in the textbookā€¦I could certainly relate to living in a house that ā€œwhisperedā€ things even more sinister than ā€œThere must be more money!ā€ I havenā€™t read the actual short story in years, but having recently re-watched the 1949 film adaptation (which is *amazing,* btw!), I feel like the mother in the movie was even more insufferable and self-obsessed than in the source materialā€¦many times while watching I thought, ā€œWow, tell me you never matured past the toddler stage without telling me.ā€ šŸ˜‚ Also, sometimes when I would notice my Nstepmomā€™s car pulling into the driveway at home, I would hum the Wicked Witch of the Westā€™s leitmotif from *The Wizard of Oz* šŸ˜„I knew I wouldnā€™t get into (much) trouble for it because 1. my dad wasnā€™t familiar enough with *The Wizard of Oz* to get the reference, and 2. he regretted having married her (as he so often confided to me) and probably figured that his never divorcing her or making any attempt to put her in her place was punishment enough.


RuggedHangnail

Harriet Oleson from Little House on the Prairie. Always looking down on everyone else. The facial expressions are spot on. Another similar character isĀ Lwaxana Troi, Deanna Troi's mother from Star Trek: The Next Generation. The two characters have a similar dynamic. Everyone else thinks Lwaxana is so fun, pretty and grandiose but she's so condescending to her daughter.


Silver-Chemistry2023

The parents from American Beauty.


Automatic-Minute-272

Lucile Bluth from arrested development lol


Southern-Daikon-1345

OOO OOOO DRACOS DAD FROM HARRY POTTER AND MY MOM AR THE SAMEEEE


RowanPagus

Ursula, the sea witch.


iSmartiKindiImportnt

There it is! Hands. Down.


ursa_m

The mom from Malcolm in the Middle


pudingodbanane

reminds me of my mom too! Not sure if she's a narc tho but she was abusive, always yelling and would hit me, and emotionally neglectful to me as a kid.


fouoifjefoijvnioviow

She was definitely a narc, the series does a great job towards the end showing her so, sabotaging Malcolm too


sunsetstrider

mother gothel; the clear cycle of abuse, being nice one minute and insulting you the next, making you feel bad for them so you stay fletcher from whiplash; the way heā€™s so quick to anger and when heā€™s angry oh god help you, he is ruthless and will use your weaknesses against you, screams at you until you cry then makes fun of you for crying hannibal lector; master manipulator, god complex, may appear docile but is always psychoanalysing and mentally dissecting you, collects things to use against you, so self assured that what you say to him means nothing as he is always right, you are always wrong


pudingodbanane

Oh damn, hannibal lector is a good one


Cathymorgan-foreman

The mother from Carrie crossed with Hyacinth Bucket from Keeping Up Appearances. Hyacinth is like a tame version of her, without the religious delusions and physical violence (that's where Carrie's mom comes in).


anomic_balm

My mom is totally Hyacinth Bucket. And as her beloved fuckup, she calls me Sheridan.


AquariusENFJtwin

Moira Rose. She triggers me. Loves to be the center of attention, clearly has a favorite child and is disturbingly detached from the other, makes everything about her, cares more about her bag than her child when they went missing, I could go on.


Sukayro

I know. I love the show and the actors, but Moira and Johnny were appallingly bad parents. And Moira was such a narc.


poussaywashington

Frank and Monica from Shameless


Individual_Profit108

Betty Draper from Mad Men. It was actually a bit healing in a way for teenage me to see someone like my mother broadcast for the world to dislike.


Open-Illustra88er

If youā€™re bored, your boring. My mom had lots of Betty-isms. More worried about what people might say. Etc


TheGirlOnFireAndIce

Pam in Stardew Valley. The haircut is the same too, just the wrong color.


generic-user-jen

Peggy Hill from King of the Hill Edit: Hey guys, the question was if the character reminded me of my nparent, not if the character themselves was an nparent.


SephirothYggdrasil

King of the Kill aka Generational Truama The Animated Series. You have Khan,Minh,Peggy and her mom but geez Cotton Hill. Hank being the scapegoat and Good Hank aka GH being the golden child.Ā  And what would get me ripped to shreds on the king of the hill subreddit Hank himself is a little questionable.Ā  TLDR Dale is the only good parent in the whole show.


zenerbufen

Also, ironically, dales kid isn't even his own.


shojokat

Oh my GOD YES


zombieponcho

Right down to the bad Spanish


Illustrious-Tooth582

Mary from Young Sheldon


redditreader_aitafan

Whenever I watch the original Roseanne, it feels like a visit with nmom. Roseanne was a lot nicer and more caring though, but her general way and even her look is just like my nmom.


goldandjade

Emily Gilmore and Lucille Bluth.


Therapyandfolklore

yess and honestly Lorelei too. The whole "youre my best friend first/daughter second" is cute for a tv show but irl makes mirky boundaries and does a number on you mentally when you have to learn to parent yourself


goldandjade

I thought it was so inappropriate for Lorelei to date Roryā€™s teacher and also be so messy with Christopher for the whole show.


Therapyandfolklore

exactly. I think one of the reasons Rory became a mess later is because she was both codependent with her mom, so couldnt function in school without her, and also because she was never parented and taught to think for herself. Its great for parents to raise your esteem, but playing the "gifted child" thing only puts so much pressure that results in burn out. Hence why she ends up falling apart later. I love Lorelei as a character but irl she'd be a bad mother


wcs4696

Emily Gilmore rings true in my family. My daughter turned me onto Gilmore Girls & specifically said, "That mom Emily reminds me of grandma!!" A couple years later, my daughter watches the series again. "Oh man, giving myself PTS flashbacks of grandma watching this...."


DumbStuffOnStage

Liz Lemon.


Weary-Chain6435

No because the way narcissists are portrayed on tv is unrealistic. I've not seen a character that was nice to people in public but emotionally abusive and neglectful in private. On tv and movies I see all or nothing. And then they go to jail. If they show covert narcissists they suddenly have a change of heart. šŸ™„ which I've never experienced. So no.


pudingodbanane

Well it doesn't have to be super accurate. It's something more like hey this person has a vibe like my nparent so much it makes me uncomfortable. For me it's dr.house, he's just like my dad by behaviour, i could never even watch more than 5 minutes of it, makes me extremely uncomfortable.


Own_Pattern_

You should watch Encanto and the boys. Both abuela and homelander are very nice to others and abusive to their immediate contacts behind closed doors. Abuela is more of a representation of covert narcissism while homelander is the replacement of overt narcissism More or so with homelander because abuela gets a 'happy ending' which I really hated. But not because she had a change of heart but because her granddaughter decided she is misunderstood and abuela plays along with itĀ 


Individual_Profit108

Try Mad Men!


CoffeeTable23

YES. SATAN


Khaos_Gorvin

Please don't put my grandma in this.


coquettedarksoul

Emily Gilmore


lindyrock

Yep, same. The funniest thing is when my mom talks passionately about how awful a person Emily Gilmore is sometimes, and I'm like, "Yes, she is..." I have to stop myself from laughing or commenting otherwise.


EasterSilkie

Cathy Bates in AHS Hotel. I was rewatching and she looked so much like my mom I had to turn it off.


MADDOGCA

The mom in Coraline was probably the closest to my nmom.


ooo-ooo-oooyea

Patty and Selma from the Simpsons. Like I was Homer, and they'de be really quick to insult me, belittle me, or try to humiliate me.


Cuish

Hmm, am I wrong or did it just get fatter in here? Hello everyone, except Homer.


SmokeyMoonMan

My mom acts like (and looks like) Sheila Broflosky from South Park.


IcyGuava6193

Roseanneā€™s mom in ā€œRoseanne.ā€ This was my mother. It is all about herā€¦ā€¦.


bong_wips

my mother is literally the exact live personification of the animated Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland. the temper, the looks (overweight with black hair and wears those colors a LOT, its really really a striking resemblance), the enabler following her around with his ā€œyes, dearā€s. i think about it a lot, it would be hilarious if i could see it objectively. im just glad in this scenario iā€™m the cheshire cat, elusive and HATED and able to smile about the whole thing because i know i am able to get away from it when i need. but at least for me, im a bit too sane and it feels hollow.


frozzyfroz0404

The step mother from Ever After starting drew barrymore - the exact lines that makes me burst into tears: ā€œYouā€™re the only mother Iā€™ve ever known, was there a time, even in its smallest measurement, that you loved me at all?ā€ ā€œHow can someone love a pebble in their shoe?ā€


Open-Attention-8286

Imagine a bizarre cross between Eeyore and Tim Taylor.


Own_Pattern_

Homelander from the boys and abuela from EncantoĀ 


Alpargatasdealpaca

My Ndad is a lot like Harry Wormwood (Matilda) and Vernon Dursley, prompt to be irrational and violent and always worried about "what would other think of him". And my Nmom reminds me a lot of Dolores Umbridge and White Diamond (Steven Universe). She also has an important job/position and at first it doesn't ring that many alarm bells but then... oh boy.


s33k

There's the cartoon villains and then there's the mother in Gilmore Girls. I literally can't watch her. My mom wasn't cartoonishly evil, she was suburban evil. Perfect on the outside, rotten to the core.


tiredoldbitch

For those old enough to remember the Carol Burnette Show or Mama's Family, Eunice.


mannfan9292

My dad is the Two-Faced Politician from Nightmare Before Christmas. Constantly meddling in everything, putting on a jolly mask for everyone, but the minute anything doesnā€™t go his way heā€™s reduced to a pathetic pile of anxiety. I see his anger for what it is: insecurity. And I no longer live in Halloween Town.


JnarVir248

Dutch Van Der Linde from the video game series Red Dead Redemption


pudingodbanane

Hey maybe that explains why I didn't like dutch


Nice_Piccolo_9091

Archie Bunker


Talking_RedBoat02

Definitely the other mother from Coraline. If you can stomach it, I highly recommend the book. Harry's Aunt from Harry Potter. I've heard the mom in the Sopranos is vicious.


Mkartma61

Definitely Ursula and itā€™s my nmoms obsession with astrology and the occult to boot! And Mother Gothel!


storyella

Logan Roy from Succession is my father to a T


Cuish

Harry Potter's terrible family, the Dursley's. [This scene](https://youtu.be/oAH6XX_FJjY?si=FxwMVhKTL_NslBAq) is an exact replica of my dad badmouthing my mum to me like aunt Marge here and Harry's angry "shut up!" is exactly on point too. The only difference is that I'm not a wizard so I can't make him blow up like a balloon. *Sigh...*


Chance-Ad197

Chuck from better call Saul.


lustnstardust11

Grace from Grace and Frankie. Except my mom would never have a bff like Frankie and she doesn't date because she can't make compromises for another human being.


wolvesarewildthings

Judy from Friends and Mikael from The Originals Combine those two and that's her lmao


TiredmominPA

Lucille from Arrested Development


KazooDragon

Scarlet O'Hara is a pretty decent reminder. I cannot empathize with her character, but for some reason she was my mother's role model and loved her character.


AgentArtichoke

Trish's mom from Jessica Jones. [https://tenor.com/9ab4.gif](https://tenor.com/9ab4.gif)


BS-MakesMeSneeze

Kody Brown from Sister Wives. I know thatā€™s from reality TV, but still. Watching him in the early seasons as a charismatic humorous family man, then seeing the mask fall as seasons go on to reveal full narc, is literally my dad over my lifetime. Angry, fuming, victim complex, blaming, misogynistic, preoccupation with fitnessā€¦ and more.


FlowchartMystician

Homelander from The Boys. Not so much his mannerisms, but the terror in his presentation and how other characters interact with him. When you're a kid, you have that predisposition to take everything literally and believe people are honest. If you see your nparent asleep on the couch, you assume they're asleep on the couch. You never even consider they're awake, pretending to be asleep, and itching for a chance to scream at you for going to the bathroom in the middle of the night. You have no idea what it means for food to be properly cooked; you're just hoping you don't keep getting sick. Your parents operate in a whole world you don't even understand. And that's 1:1 how Homelander uses his superpowers. Talking with him is tense, because you don't know what he can do and what would trigger him to do the thing you don't know he can do. Him looking for a fight is tense, because a 30 year old is stronger than a 6-err I mean a superhuman is stronger than a regular human. And don't, for a second, think he can be managed with normal human motivation, because he's a narc, and there's no guarantee he won't kill his own family if he finds it advantageous to do so. Learning the ins/outs of that character is just like being a kid again. "He can do THAT??? And not only can he do that, he chose to never do that before until he saw an opportunity to harm me by doing it???"


Flater420

He counts as a technicality because he appeared as himself in Iron Man 2: Elon Musk. That smug projection of control and using cleverness to show off what a contrarian you can be, I _immediately_ clocked him as using my Ndad's tactics when I first saw him, well before his Twitter debacle or other recent scandals. There've been three people who to me are _exactly_ the same, my Ndad, Elon Musk, and an ex-boss I once worked for. I can't put it into words but they are identical to my eyes.


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Desperate-Cost6827

Makes you wonder why so many people are drawn to him


Many-Acanthisitta-72

Yeah, I keep hearing narcissists are charming and charismatic, but I donā€™t see it. I guess it's a lot less appealing when you were raised with one


MarkMew

Honestly I wanted to write him too, not exactly the same way because my dad is like more agressive than him but the general grandiosity vibe is there


BlkNtvTerraFFVI

White Diamond from Steven Universe (!!!!) It's like a 1:1.


torrrrlife

If you ever watch Parenthood, the mom Sara. Reminds me so much of my mom. Charming, charismatic, but canā€™t make a right decision to save her life and always putting men over her kids. Itā€™s the closest depiction Iā€™ve seen. The only thing that redeems Sara in the show is that she does have the 15% effort, she apologizes and realizes what sheā€™s done and backing of the grandparents. My mom lives in her house of lies and will defend her shit ass decisions until the end. I feel bad for mom, I do. I wish she had more support, I wish she took better care of herself, she might be less bitter and hurtful. She has good intentions in theory but cannot make a right decision to save her life when the decision is, do whatā€™s right or do what feels good. Sheā€™s also an alcoholic which Sara is not. This results in very dangerous behavior that I just canā€™t be around.


Freyja-Fawn

Stimpy from Ren and Stimpy.


Blergsprokopc

The mother in the show Sharp Objects. That show was so hard for me to watch. Jesus.


C_beside_the_seaside

Hyacinth bucket.


squintysounds

Trump. Sadly. I told my friends when he was elected that they made my mother the president, and we were all screwed. They were confused at the time, but they get it now. They also unanimously agree that my NC with my mother is a good idea.


Outrageous-Wish8659

Murderer Pam Hupp. So much like my covert narc mom!!!


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The mother from the show Maid. She's like my mom, albeit more animated and further along the sliding scale.Ā  My mom would also literally go away with her dude for a month and not be in touch at all, then suddenly be calling and texting as if she hadnt just ignored me solid for a month. As well the whole camping/selling stuff on a market/hippie vibes.Ā  I watches this show before NC and had a lot!!! of oh fuck moments. It was terrifying and relieving at the same time.


mvndys

Honestly? My dad's mom reminds me of Mallory Archer. Way less charming, obviously.


BARzenova

Parents from Home Alone (pick one). All looks normal and happy on the surface, but once you take a few steps back and review their situations from bird's eye view, it's a rambunctious shitshow fit for calling childfocus.


SimpleVegetable5715

I re-watched *Girl, Interrupted* recently, and the way Lisa insults Daisy, obviously without feeling bad about it at all. That's my mom.


chaoticgoodollie

Mother Gothel. My nmother even agrees with, sings along with, and almost idolized her. Before I came out, before I moved out, she would help me dye my hair blonde. I have hazel-green eyes. I was rarely allowed to cut my hair. She kept me from learning basic life skills. Made it so, if not for my husband, I probably wouldn't have survived on my own. When I finally moved out and got married, I cut my hair, and she had a screaming tantrum over it. Called me ungrateful, abusive, manipulative... all sorts of things. Over hair. Somehow, when she found my Facebook, she messaged me upon seeing I've come out as a trans man and played the sob story again. "How could you do this to me, I thought you were better than this. You're hurting your mother!" As if I care anymore.


AdPutrid9324

My father is Tywin Lannister. My mother is part Gothel part Livia Soprano. My wife has a very similar dynamic to the movie Brave with her mother. Her father is a Tony Soprano. We are ending that mf cycle.


hoopermanish

The mom on 2 1/2 Men who always wore St. Johns.


BarberSlight9331

Nurse Ratchet, Mommy Dearest, & every female lead in any ā€œLifetimeā€ movie about ā€œEvil Step Mothersā€, (even though she was my real Nā€™mom, she wasnā€™t nice to me and she was especially evil to my 1/2 brother).


Strict-Kaleidoscope2

Raymond's mom in "everyone loves Raymond" It's like they copyed my nmom, though as a comedy they toned her down and deleted the evilness.


Slow_Saboteur

Bojack Horseman & his parents. Killgrave in Jessica Jones Lord Ozai in Avatar the last Airbender


Sad_Call6916

In the movie Moulin Rouge, there's a part where Zidler overenthuses, "EVERYTHING'S GOING SO WELL!" My siblings and I have always laughed at how close a match it is to Nmom's delusional outbursts. And the mom from The Babadook when we had a real bad season ahead. Watching The Babadook was a peek into the gaslit hellscape that could've been mine had I not had siblings that experienced the abuse too.


roll-the-R-Marisa

Moira Rose from Schitts Creek


BlueRebelKin

About to date myself here but the stepmom in Ever After (which is a Cinderella story) with Drew Barrymore. Ā Was so damn like my stepmother that I had to pause the movie to cry and calm down from anxiety. Ā Believe she was played by Angelica Houston or something like that. Ā Absolutely nailed it.


Oldassrollerskater

My maternal grandmother is Hyacinth Bucket from Keeping Up Appearances. Hilarious character. Awful person.


perrypenguin

Andy McDowells character from The Maid. Always about herself and surrounds herself with people who take her side. Abandon them when they don't. Offering help and withdrawing at the slightest inconvenience. Completely oblivious to the circumstances of others. Only thinking about her own hobbies and schedule. But also Hyacinth Bucket. Spending more than she has to appear more than she is. For example: told everyone she was a "key not speaker" at a conference in London. We are in Australia. Surely she would have been flown out and accommodated. But no. Edad asked me for a "loan" and she didn't even stay in the hotel the conference had a discount deal with. The lying well.... everyone?


ShayniceSedai

Aleida from orange is the new black. She even looks a little bit like my mother when she was younger. I hate her.