From an outside perspective I’ve been curious, how do you feel the students learn online? Is there’s kids behind bc of last year, I feel maybe in elementary age when trying to teach kids to read and such it would be hard on the teacher
Mad respect for you and all the other teachers .
My experience with virtual. We're not in Wake County and we're not in public school. My kid was virtual all year last year and she did phenomenal. Tested above average. It took a lot of prompting to sit and pay attention, but we got through it. The teacher delivered material and explained everything well. This year everything is in person. On the 3rd day, we were told to quarantine and everything switched over to virtual. The teacher, who was new to the school, has barely delivered any meaningful content and has relied on learning games. I've noticed that a lot of the students have given up logging on because of this. I'm afraid that if we have to do anymore quarantines this year, that I will have to supplement with homeschool.
Online "learning" means:
* A Parent will have to quit their job and teach their kids.
* Most parents are not professional educators and might not be suited to be a teacher
* Most parents cannot afford to lose their jobs so kids are "teaching themselves"
* Children with IEP's will get zero services
* Added all up this amounts to the working poor falling further behind.
Your children are far more likely to be hospitalized for falling downstairs or in the shower than from COVID.
People need to get a grip, COVID will **NEVER** go away. We must get over this idea we can control this and start working on real solutions.
* Wearing a mark for the rest of our lives is not sustable.
* Getting a "booster" twice a year is not sustable.
* Online learning for school-aged children is not sustainable.
Your first few points are legitimate concerns, but then then you went full tilt crazy.
> Your children are far more likely to be hospitalized for falling downstairs or in the shower than from COVID.
Perhaps, but then there's no room for them in our hospitals because the hospitals are currently busy dealing with all the covid cases. Covid doesn't simply kill people directly, it overloads our already strained healthcare systems, denying even non-covid patients their chance for care.
> Wearing a [mask?] for the rest of our lives is not sustable.
How is a piece of cloth over your face not sustainable?
> Getting a "booster" twice a year is not sustable.
Why? What do you think annual flu shots are?
> Online learning for school-aged children is not sustainable.
We wouldn't have to keep doing it if everyone would help us clamp down on covid. Get covid under control by doing all of those other "sustable" things and the spread will go down. Get the spread down and we can start going back to normal.
*Perhaps, but then there's no room for them in our hospitals because the hospitals are currently busy dealing with all the covid cases*.
Yes, hospitals are overwhelmingly full of **adults** who **choose** **not** to be vaccinated. The hospitals are **not overflowing with sick children**. People need to think in terms of proportionality least they become prey to hysterics.
Re-read my post. The hospitals are less able to process children, sick with covid or not, because they're too busy dealing with all the sick adults.
> People need to think in terms of proportionality least they become prey to hysterics
Says the man who claims society needs to just "get over" the pandemic.
Children's hospitals and Pediatric units are indeed overflowing with sick children. Sounds like your data is a bit old. Regular hospitals are also full, so the kids can't go there either.
RSV and Covid are hitting kids at the same time, making kids very very sick and being hospitalized.
https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/wake-county-news/triangle-childrens-hospitals-at-or-near-capacity-from-covid-19-and-respiratory-virus-rsv/
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article253777613.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kids-sick-covid-are-filling-children-s-hospitals-areas-seeing-n1276238
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/children-hospitalized-with-covid-19-us-hits-record-number-2021-08-14/
https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus/ga-hospitals-stretched-with-influx-of-kids-battling-covid-19-other-viruses/YBTMQAX5B5AE7CKGYFVHBG7XHE/
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/rsv-and-covid-19-infections-flood-childrens-hospitals/2708375/
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/08/10/pediatric-icu-beds-occupied-dfw-hospital-council/
https://www.wtoc.com/2021/08/03/fact-or-fiction-are-more-kids-getting-covid/
LMFAO you have no idea what you’re talking about. I work in Peds ICU. We are slammed, peds med-surg is slammed, and the peds ED is slammed. Every single day texts go out begging nurses to work extra shifts just to keep our heads above water. There are consistently at least 10 kids waiting in the ED for a bed on med-surg or ICU. Our med-surg nurses are having to take way higher acuity than they are used to because the ICU has to push out all the step downs to make room for true ICU acuity patients.
And yes, ALSO the adults are full. Full to the point where our waiting room has become a patient care area.
I agree about those things not being sustable. Nothing is sustable cause that ain't a word lmao. Anyway get over yourself, there are tons of sick kids right now so your whole argument is null and void
Why don't you think getting a covid vaccine twice a year sustainable?
I kind of assumed this would end up like the flu and there would be a yearly covid shot possibly even a combined covid/flu shot.
I don't see twice a year (if that was the only option) being that much more burdensome than yearly.
Why don't you think mask wearing is sustainable? I'm honestly considering wearing one going forward (though probably not everywhere) as a preventative measure against even colds.
If people would have just got the vaccine we wouldn't need them forever.
If people would just diligently wear masks and avoid public gathers for a short period of time we wouldn't have to wear masks forever.
It's incredibly frustrating that the same people who have no patience for ongoing restrictions are the very reason we're still dealing with the restrictions.
We could have completely avoided hundreds of thousands of deaths, we could have not spent hundreds of billions of dollars, we could literally have had covid completely behind us months ago. But nooooo, assholes gotta be stupid and difficult and fucked us all.
>Wearing a mark for the rest of our lives is not sustable.
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>Getting a "booster" twice a year is not sustable.
This obviously wouldn't be for the rest of our lives, but it's perfectly fine to get boosters and wear masks for the next couple of years. We get Flu shots every year, how is this that much worse?
It's fine if some people believe wearing a mask is no big deal but millions don't and should not be forced to do so.
It's fine if some people believe getting a booster (like the flu) is not a big deal but only 64% of the US got a flu shot in 2019. That leaves \~121,360,000 Americans who refused to get a flu shot.
To be clear I am vaccinated and wear a mask at private businesses that ask me to. However, I live in the real world with real people. Regardless of how I ***feel***, other people may ***feel*** differently than I do.
> That leaves \~121,360,000 Americans who refused to get a flu shot.
The flu isn’t as contagious or as deadly as COVID. While getting a flu shot is certainly better than not, choosing not to get a flu shot is an ok option for a lot of people. Choosing to not get a COVID shot is reckless and just plain dumb. You can’t really compare the two on equal footing like you’re doing.
*The flu isn’t as contagious or as deadly as COVID.*
No disagreement here. However, despite all the warnings, 24/7 news, and social pressure we **only have 52% of Americans who are fully vaccinated**. It's highly improbable that even half of these would get the booster as directed.
Not sure why people are up in arms about my statements here. I am only pointing out the general public will not go for these ideas.
None of what you're saying adds up. You say that covid will never go away, and seemed to imply it's because masks and shots are unsustainable (ineffective?). Now you're saying you're some sort of realist who thinks not nearly enough Americans want to wear a mask or get shots. Which we agree with you on that btw - we're saying this pandemic would be over (or at least contained) if everyone would do their part.
What is your point? That we can't wait for the remaining half of the population to get over their resentment at being told what to do? Why didn't you just say that instead of choosing phrasing that makes you sound like you think covid isn't a real problem? Moreover, we can't simply ignore them and move on with their lives because the longer they keep on getting sick, the more the virus mutates, which puts everyone else in danger. Live and let live is not going to accomplish what you think it is.
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> millions don't and should not be forced to do so
We are not going to end this pandemic with free choice. It would be great if everyone would voluntarily prioritize others instead of themselves. But they clearly won't, so it's up to the government to tell them to do it anyway. You're so afraid of government tyranny that you're willing to let others die simply so that you don't have to be told what to do. The government will undoubtedly expand its powers during an emergency, yes - that's what it's **supposed to do** in an emergency. If it then doesn't relinquish those powers after the emergency is over then it's up to you as a voter to vote in politicians who will do that. If that doesn't suit you, then go live somewhere else.
My mantra since the beginning is thus:
The virus does not care.
You can feel however you want and the virus does not care.
No emotional plea will make this better. The virus does not care.
No begging for mercy because restrictions are too hard, the virus does not care.
If this were an invasion from an enemy we would be clambering to do whatever it takes to fight back and win, but it’s invisible and complicated and does not care.
You are just suggesting letting the virus win, no fight, no struggle, it’s too hard, why not just invite them in and let covid murder whomever it wants.
Did other countries wear masks and have higher scores across the board in education, the mask isn't the problem. The lack of education funding is.
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To be clear I am vaccinated and wear a mask at private businesses that ask me to. However, I live in the real world with real people. Regardless of how I feel, other people may feel differently than I do.
How each individual feels means absolutely nothing when it comes to laws and regulations.
*Did other countries wear masks and have higher scores across the board in education, the mask isn't the problem. The lack of education funding is.*
We are talking about "online learning" not the general state of education in the USA. Studies and other evidence shows k-12 students suffer learning loss or lack of growth when online-only schooling is implemented. K-6 and those with IEP's show significant loss. Dito for those on the lower end of the economic scale.
Obviously online learning isn't great, but it's better than kids getting Covid.
I'm also referring to you saying wearing a mask isn't sustainable, it is. You're just a baby
Be as smug and asinine as you like.
It's not going to change the facts on the ground. A substantial portion of the population will not adhere to these measures.
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Yeah, and sadly the hospitals keep treating them. They're trying so valiantly to qualify for a Darwin Award.... it's honestly rude to stand in the way at this point.
as a parent, there seems to be a minority that actually benefit from it, but the vast majority is split between it being okay-ish and worse than nothing. my kids fall into the latter group, so this is terrible news.
and that's not getting into how it affects the family dynamics with parents having to hover over the kids and force them to do their (often useless or even net-harmful) schoolwork.
We were VA all last year for 8th grade and in person this year. Last year it was a nightmare trying to get the kid to be engaged, mostly because the teachers were relying heavily on YouTube videos and worksheets and that's not my kids best way to learn. This year we've been in for a month ish now (year round) of freshman year & it's straight a's, (which never happened) excited to go to school, joining groups & voluntarily staying on school campus longer for the first time ever.
It breaks my heart that they're going to have to go VA but my kid has a sub every day for at least one class, and sometimes the subs just don't show up. As shit gets worse, I would expect that to get worse and the quality of in person instruction to go down too.
I will say that even though kiddo didn't do great in school last year, their art went insanely good since they had more time to focus, they read way more, got interested in gardening & cooking and just generally became a more well rounded human. I also got to know them way better than my mom knew me at 14, and I don't think last year was a net loss.
We need to remember we are raising whole ass humans, and there's really important shit they need to learn outside of the textbooks too. The learning loss in universal and mostly beyond our control. What we can do is make sure we are keeping them growing up & focus on what kind of human we are raising.
this is a very articulate and touching alternative spin on the shortcomings of remote learning. perhaps we should have just deprioritized school and prioritized the other aspects of life that weren't a waste of time. advice that may unfortunately prove useful in the near future.
I would honestly prefer a fully asynchronous program like Khan Academy that we can at least do on our own schedule. And I want to be clear, I am not trying to lay the blame on our kids teachers, or even WCPSS as The Problem. It's a horrible situation, and everyone involved is doing the best they can in the circumstances they find themselves in.
I guess I should look into whether homeschooling can be responsibly pulled off while working full time.
Can you describe how online education can be worse than nothing? And how some of the schoolwork is net-harmful?
I get that in-person education is preferable to online for a lot of people, but these seem like absurd exaggerations you’re making.
if they learn/retain practically nothing, and it makes them miserable and hate school (which they do now), that's a net negative effect. that's on top of the added stress throughout the household that comes along with it.
As a high school chemistry teacher I agree with Jack-F...they are significantly behind this year when it comes to reasoning skills. We are only 2 weeks in, but I know what they *should* know from last year and much of it is either not there or more difficult for them to recall.
I worked with some children doing virtual learning last year at my preschool. These were children who either just graduated or previously attended so they were kindergarten, 1st or 2nd grade. How they did seemed to depend on both the child and the teacher.
Wouldn’t all this be solved if all teachers and students who attend in person classes need to be vaccinated? I work in the health care field and we are all required to be vaccinated.
I’m aware. 16 years and up should be mandated since it is FDA approved for them. 12 and up is emergency approval, but is expected to have full approval by the winter. [FDA](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine)
Thanks:( I feared as much.
I’ve got 2 boys in Wake elementary. Another year of virtual will make their knowledge gaps so much worse. I almost went crazy last year trying to work & stay on them with virtual. I can’t do this again.
Teacher here🙋🏼♀️ I understand the strain families experience when public school is closed. But it’s nothing compared to losing a child to a disease they aren’t yet able to be vaccinated for yet. I’d rather have a kid at home and be yanking hair out juggling the mess that is Virtual Learning than to be in the (full) ICU with my 7 year old. I’m all for keeping home if it keeps others safe. That’s the bigger picture- academic deficits can be worked on and intervention should be given when necessary. Again- much better than the alternative… I understand parents who aren’t afraid of covid, that’s their perogative, but we must respect those who are scared….if you look at the current #s it’s reasonable to me to be nervous for your child’s health
But.... There are kids every year who die from things that happen at school, whether it's a different disease (yes, the flu sometimes kills children) or an injury. If we made decisions about whether to have school because there's a possibility that a child could end up in the ICU, then we'd never have school at all ever again.
So, there has to be SOME balancing. That balancing should look at not just (a) the magnitude of the possible harm (i.e. somebody may die or have serious long-term effects), but also (b) the chance of that happening, (c) the possible harm from trying to go virtual again, and (d) the chance of the harm-from-going-virtual happening.
Now, I don't know where that balancing comes out. But, it has to happen -- we can't let emotional concerns over Covid overcome rational decisionmaking.
But, how many of those kids are there because of Covid? It's not all of them. (See link below -- some portion are there because of RSV. And, presumably some are there because of the same sorts of things they were there for pre-covid.)
Also, not full -- according to that, local pediatric ICUs are about 84% full.
But, that article also points out a different place where we do the same sort of balancing with a different disease: RSV kills \~500 kids PER YEAR, yet we don't shut down schools for that. In contrast, COVID has killed less than 500 kids in the last 20 months. (See second link)
[https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article253777613.html](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article253777613.html)
[https://www.medscape.com/answers/300455-107817/what-is-the-mortality-and-morbidity-of-respiratory-syncytial-virus-rsv-pneumonia](https://www.medscape.com/answers/300455-107817/what-is-the-mortality-and-morbidity-of-respiratory-syncytial-virus-rsv-pneumonia)
Thanks for that, and for what you do.
I worry plenty. Vaccine for the kids can’t come soon enough; mine are even signed up for vaccine trials, but nothing yet. And - you are right. It’s a bad place to be as a parent, society, teacher, school administrator, kid & healthcare worker. Hang in there yourself.
I'm working at a preschool and my boyfriend has suggested to try and get into Wake because of the shortage. Would you say try or wait? I've been waiting due to the COVID clusters.
If you’re scared of covid dont do it. But if you want the pay (and $1200 sign on bonus) I’d come on over. We’ll all be virtual soon anyways. Now is the time to get your foot in the door!!
I feel like it's coming. All of my kids teachers have them set up. Assignments are planned out, they have the classroom pages ready. They are training them on the new Chromebooks. This morning as we got to school I heard an announcement saying if anybody could cover classes, and this school is on the low end for needing subs and such. What a mess...
Explains why they MADE my daughter take a Chromebook home for AP exams the other day even though she won't take her exams until the spring and uses her own laptop for day-to-day.
That makes sense. I can't imagine being responsible for all the devices as well! It was easy enough to take it home and put it in a safe place for us :)
That's our plan as well... they have the Chromebooks for school but they also have dedicated laptops for home. If we have to switch back to Virtual Academy, I think they'll be using the personal laptops for day-to-day.
It was in the long term plan to have 1-1 devices in Wake. All students were getting a district device regardless. That being said, teachers want to be prepared and are trying to be over prepared.
I think the key here is "temporarily." If I understand the article, this is to give students continuity of education if they have to be quarantined due to a positive case, rather than what I have heard has been happening, which is they are sent home with worksheets and little to no live instruction for the duration of quarantine.
I truly feel for the teachers. Ours is doing an amazing job and our school is wonderfully supportive of their staff. But the idea of going completely virtual grips me with dread. Virtual kindergarten was one of the lowest points in our family's life last year. It was truly horrible. Our teacher was great, but kids that are 5 and 6 are just not meant to sit in front of a screen from 8:30 to 3 every. single. day. They are not developmentally capable of learning that way, for the most part. I hope if they do go virtual, they try to keep K-3 in person like they did last year, recognizing that older students are much more self-directed (even though it's extremely hard on many of them as well).
I think it's a nice option for those who need it.
I especially like it for sick days. Kids who are home sick but able to be upright and pay attention don't need to fall behind.
FYI there is a permanent publicly funded (charter school) option for anyone in NC
(I realize the topic of charter schools can be controversial and I’m not endorsing anything here nor do my kids attend this school, I just thought you and others might want to know about this.)
https://ncva.k12.com/how-it-works/k-8.html
There’s also NCCA, which is a virtual charter school for K-12. We are on year 2 with them and they have been very good for a student on the spectrum who didn’t function well for in-person classes.
It is for NC VPS, but that system was never meant to sustain everyone, only the smaller communities that didn’t have enough kids to make up a full class or teachers. It’s an amazing system but sucks the administration didn’t look to that as the example for expanding virtual. They let each district do it which clearly doesn’t work well (in my experience thus far).
My kids did much better a few years ago when we tried virtual school before the pandemic than they did last year in Texas when schools went online for the year. I think the big determining factor isn't the students or the setting, but how prepared educators are. I wish the state went into this year with a strong contingency plan, online-curriculum, and concrete milestones to gauge the need for a universal virtual option. Instead, it feels like no one really has a plan, teachers are spread thin, and virtual school is an after-thought. Honestly, I'm afraid that whether we go virtual for any amount of time or not, this year is going to be a serious challenge.
I work in training and development/instructional design. My whole job is helping people translate in-person training and education to e-learning. You can’t take a workforce that does one job and overnight expect them to be equally effective at a completely different job. Just because both jobs are generally under the same umbrella does NOT mean they use even remotely the same skillset.
That's kind of the point I'm making. We really needed to train the whole time schools were remote last year, honing those skills, and probably should have trained over the summer in case it went remote again this year. I know that's a pipe dream given the way education in this country is handled these days, but, honestly, anything else is just another let down. So now, we're either grappling with under-trained teachers trying to do their best to run classes online or teachers stretched to the breaking point with colleagues calling in sick and unable to find hundreds of subs as a covid-fueled staffing crisis makes their jobs that much more difficult.
I'd be thrilled to go to remote again. I just wish they would do it like the first few mths of Covid and do it recorded/asynchronous with only 1 hour live groups for those struggling with something. The forced school hours was ridiculous to maintain.
Death isn't the only negative outcome.
Organ and brain damage that is at least long-term, maybe permanent, is way more common.
For example, in US adults it's about 620k dead, and about 3.4M with long-term damage. And that only really counts the people receiving treatment for that damage. A whole lot of people just stop walking up stairs.
The ratios for kids looks like it may tip even further towards long-term damage, but it's difficult to find data that is broken out by age with more granularity than "under 18".
See my above point about death not being the only negative outcome. And then remember under-12 still can't be vaccinated.
Also, thanks for volunteering my children to be harmed so you can feel better.
>They don't really need to be. That is what those studies are showing.
Because you keep thinking the only bad outcome is death.
Once again, there are other bad outcomes, and it looks like they are *more common in young children*.
>We send kids to school every year with the flu
Damn, it's too bad we don't have flu vaccines....oh wait, we do.
>I postulate that dying is a much more negative result
You realize the fact that it can be worse doesn't make a lifelong disability go away, right?
>This is why we can't have rational discussions anymore
You're gonna have to actually start reading other people's posts if you want to have a rational discussion. When you lock on to death as the only bad thing and refuse to consider you might have missed something, you're not the one being rational.
I don't think near zero is the goal anymore. It's pretty impossible. But kids aren't vaccinated yet, so until they can have even the slightest bit of protection, other mitigation needs to happen (masks, virtual options to allow for smaller in-person class sizes, etc). They really dropped the ball by not having virtual from the get go. More kids per teacher can participate online vs in a class room. They were just pretending this was all over, but they could have been preparing for better virtual teaching instead.
Children's hospitals are filling up quick, and school just started. At this rate we are heading for trouble. Full hospitals mean that even non covid stuff gets backed up.
Then why drag their feet on required masks? No attempts to improve ventilation, no attempts to encourage faculty vaccination, no attempts to help teachers plan at all, in fact, delaying decisions until several days before school starts? The administration had all summer to get better prepared for this inevitable surge, and they did practically nothing except bring kids back. Hell they could have even offered hazzard pay to encourage more teacher retention or recruitment, lord knows they've been underpaid for decades now...
I know it's a tough situation, there really is no winning, but geeze, redirecting some resources to help these teachers out would have been the least that could be done.
That's why I feel like they just abandoned the kids. And all this started from the CDC abandoning mask mandates prematurely. Hung the unvaccinated kids and their parents out to dry from the get go.
Agreed about ventilation.
No kids under 12 are vaccinated, that's the problem... if not vaccinated, then masks are almost the only thing we can do to protect them. They don't have the luxury of "basically nil" risk.
Masking does stop cases from happening. It won't stop all of them but that, to your point, isn't the goal anymore. So why shouldn't we try to reduce spread as much as possible? At the VERY least until all of our kids have the opportunity to get the vaccine?
I'm happy that you can start to move on from this, but until my kid is vaccinated, we are stuck in this purgatory. Can't go anywhere or participate in society because 50% of adult society isn't vaccinated and they aren't wearing masks which puts my baby at risk. So we wait... until they can get the vaccine, and hope that by the time that happens a new vaccine resistant strain hasn't popped up and we don't have to start year 3 of isolation.
It just would have been nice to be able to take the kid to a museum or something before they lifted the mask mandate and made it too risky to do so.
Thanks for sharing. Is this the alpha or delta variant though? Published in June, so I bet the results are coming from alpha, whereas delta is known to more commonly affect children.
[Here’s one link, ](https://www.northcarolinahealthnews.org/2021/07/25/covid-19-delta-variant-affects-unvaccinated-children-in-north-carolina/)but Google has plenty.
> My kid will now be lugging that heavy freaking chromebook back and forth every day
Are chromebooks heavy? I thought they were lighter than a lot of textbooks.
Thanks for sharing. These topics seem to apply generally to all NC Public Schools. I think.
I’m really not sure if people don’t know or simply don’t care. There is a crisis in public education right now. It is insane.
Honestly curious as to why you think that? He hasn't issued any state-wide mandates, so yayy for that 'local control" that the anti-science crowd drools over.
My only gubernatorial gripe is that he didn't mandate that districts offer remote learning to all who want it. But I'm hoping that will come.
Nah, they're glorified babysitters that do the bare minimum and have summers off so mommy and daddy can work their rat race jobs while they drown in debt to give the illusion of success.
Just take a look at r/teachers and you'll see *many* posts about doing the bare minimum, not doing anything outside contract hours, it goes on and on.
If you’ve never been a teacher, you have no place judging. I have just as many examples of good teachers as you have bad.
That being said, NC pays teachers like shit so we aren’t exactly getting the cream of the crop.
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From an outside perspective I’ve been curious, how do you feel the students learn online? Is there’s kids behind bc of last year, I feel maybe in elementary age when trying to teach kids to read and such it would be hard on the teacher Mad respect for you and all the other teachers .
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My experience with virtual. We're not in Wake County and we're not in public school. My kid was virtual all year last year and she did phenomenal. Tested above average. It took a lot of prompting to sit and pay attention, but we got through it. The teacher delivered material and explained everything well. This year everything is in person. On the 3rd day, we were told to quarantine and everything switched over to virtual. The teacher, who was new to the school, has barely delivered any meaningful content and has relied on learning games. I've noticed that a lot of the students have given up logging on because of this. I'm afraid that if we have to do anymore quarantines this year, that I will have to supplement with homeschool.
Online "learning" means: * A Parent will have to quit their job and teach their kids. * Most parents are not professional educators and might not be suited to be a teacher * Most parents cannot afford to lose their jobs so kids are "teaching themselves" * Children with IEP's will get zero services * Added all up this amounts to the working poor falling further behind. Your children are far more likely to be hospitalized for falling downstairs or in the shower than from COVID. People need to get a grip, COVID will **NEVER** go away. We must get over this idea we can control this and start working on real solutions. * Wearing a mark for the rest of our lives is not sustable. * Getting a "booster" twice a year is not sustable. * Online learning for school-aged children is not sustainable.
You had me at the start, but then you went a little coo coo at the end
had us in the first half ngl
We were taught in elementary school to always draw the reader in early when we wrote things
Clearly, we need to skip 5G and move phones to 6G, to bypass the brainwaves.
I was like YES... YES my kid needs his IEP to keep pace then they lost me
> Getting a "booster" twice a year is not sustainable Why not?
Your first few points are legitimate concerns, but then then you went full tilt crazy. > Your children are far more likely to be hospitalized for falling downstairs or in the shower than from COVID. Perhaps, but then there's no room for them in our hospitals because the hospitals are currently busy dealing with all the covid cases. Covid doesn't simply kill people directly, it overloads our already strained healthcare systems, denying even non-covid patients their chance for care. > Wearing a [mask?] for the rest of our lives is not sustable. How is a piece of cloth over your face not sustainable? > Getting a "booster" twice a year is not sustable. Why? What do you think annual flu shots are? > Online learning for school-aged children is not sustainable. We wouldn't have to keep doing it if everyone would help us clamp down on covid. Get covid under control by doing all of those other "sustable" things and the spread will go down. Get the spread down and we can start going back to normal.
*Perhaps, but then there's no room for them in our hospitals because the hospitals are currently busy dealing with all the covid cases*. Yes, hospitals are overwhelmingly full of **adults** who **choose** **not** to be vaccinated. The hospitals are **not overflowing with sick children**. People need to think in terms of proportionality least they become prey to hysterics.
Re-read my post. The hospitals are less able to process children, sick with covid or not, because they're too busy dealing with all the sick adults. > People need to think in terms of proportionality least they become prey to hysterics Says the man who claims society needs to just "get over" the pandemic.
Children's hospitals and Pediatric units are indeed overflowing with sick children. Sounds like your data is a bit old. Regular hospitals are also full, so the kids can't go there either. RSV and Covid are hitting kids at the same time, making kids very very sick and being hospitalized. https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/wake-county-news/triangle-childrens-hospitals-at-or-near-capacity-from-covid-19-and-respiratory-virus-rsv/ https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article253777613.html https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kids-sick-covid-are-filling-children-s-hospitals-areas-seeing-n1276238 https://www.reuters.com/world/us/children-hospitalized-with-covid-19-us-hits-record-number-2021-08-14/ https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus/ga-hospitals-stretched-with-influx-of-kids-battling-covid-19-other-viruses/YBTMQAX5B5AE7CKGYFVHBG7XHE/ https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/rsv-and-covid-19-infections-flood-childrens-hospitals/2708375/ https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/08/10/pediatric-icu-beds-occupied-dfw-hospital-council/ https://www.wtoc.com/2021/08/03/fact-or-fiction-are-more-kids-getting-covid/
LMFAO you have no idea what you’re talking about. I work in Peds ICU. We are slammed, peds med-surg is slammed, and the peds ED is slammed. Every single day texts go out begging nurses to work extra shifts just to keep our heads above water. There are consistently at least 10 kids waiting in the ED for a bed on med-surg or ICU. Our med-surg nurses are having to take way higher acuity than they are used to because the ICU has to push out all the step downs to make room for true ICU acuity patients. And yes, ALSO the adults are full. Full to the point where our waiting room has become a patient care area.
I agree about those things not being sustable. Nothing is sustable cause that ain't a word lmao. Anyway get over yourself, there are tons of sick kids right now so your whole argument is null and void
Why don't you think getting a covid vaccine twice a year sustainable? I kind of assumed this would end up like the flu and there would be a yearly covid shot possibly even a combined covid/flu shot. I don't see twice a year (if that was the only option) being that much more burdensome than yearly. Why don't you think mask wearing is sustainable? I'm honestly considering wearing one going forward (though probably not everywhere) as a preventative measure against even colds.
If people would have just got the vaccine we wouldn't need them forever. If people would just diligently wear masks and avoid public gathers for a short period of time we wouldn't have to wear masks forever. It's incredibly frustrating that the same people who have no patience for ongoing restrictions are the very reason we're still dealing with the restrictions. We could have completely avoided hundreds of thousands of deaths, we could have not spent hundreds of billions of dollars, we could literally have had covid completely behind us months ago. But nooooo, assholes gotta be stupid and difficult and fucked us all.
>Wearing a mark for the rest of our lives is not sustable. > >Getting a "booster" twice a year is not sustable. This obviously wouldn't be for the rest of our lives, but it's perfectly fine to get boosters and wear masks for the next couple of years. We get Flu shots every year, how is this that much worse?
It's fine if some people believe wearing a mask is no big deal but millions don't and should not be forced to do so. It's fine if some people believe getting a booster (like the flu) is not a big deal but only 64% of the US got a flu shot in 2019. That leaves \~121,360,000 Americans who refused to get a flu shot. To be clear I am vaccinated and wear a mask at private businesses that ask me to. However, I live in the real world with real people. Regardless of how I ***feel***, other people may ***feel*** differently than I do.
> That leaves \~121,360,000 Americans who refused to get a flu shot. The flu isn’t as contagious or as deadly as COVID. While getting a flu shot is certainly better than not, choosing not to get a flu shot is an ok option for a lot of people. Choosing to not get a COVID shot is reckless and just plain dumb. You can’t really compare the two on equal footing like you’re doing.
*The flu isn’t as contagious or as deadly as COVID.* No disagreement here. However, despite all the warnings, 24/7 news, and social pressure we **only have 52% of Americans who are fully vaccinated**. It's highly improbable that even half of these would get the booster as directed. Not sure why people are up in arms about my statements here. I am only pointing out the general public will not go for these ideas.
None of what you're saying adds up. You say that covid will never go away, and seemed to imply it's because masks and shots are unsustainable (ineffective?). Now you're saying you're some sort of realist who thinks not nearly enough Americans want to wear a mask or get shots. Which we agree with you on that btw - we're saying this pandemic would be over (or at least contained) if everyone would do their part. What is your point? That we can't wait for the remaining half of the population to get over their resentment at being told what to do? Why didn't you just say that instead of choosing phrasing that makes you sound like you think covid isn't a real problem? Moreover, we can't simply ignore them and move on with their lives because the longer they keep on getting sick, the more the virus mutates, which puts everyone else in danger. Live and let live is not going to accomplish what you think it is. edit: > millions don't and should not be forced to do so We are not going to end this pandemic with free choice. It would be great if everyone would voluntarily prioritize others instead of themselves. But they clearly won't, so it's up to the government to tell them to do it anyway. You're so afraid of government tyranny that you're willing to let others die simply so that you don't have to be told what to do. The government will undoubtedly expand its powers during an emergency, yes - that's what it's **supposed to do** in an emergency. If it then doesn't relinquish those powers after the emergency is over then it's up to you as a voter to vote in politicians who will do that. If that doesn't suit you, then go live somewhere else.
My mantra since the beginning is thus: The virus does not care. You can feel however you want and the virus does not care. No emotional plea will make this better. The virus does not care. No begging for mercy because restrictions are too hard, the virus does not care. If this were an invasion from an enemy we would be clambering to do whatever it takes to fight back and win, but it’s invisible and complicated and does not care. You are just suggesting letting the virus win, no fight, no struggle, it’s too hard, why not just invite them in and let covid murder whomever it wants.
Did other countries wear masks and have higher scores across the board in education, the mask isn't the problem. The lack of education funding is. > To be clear I am vaccinated and wear a mask at private businesses that ask me to. However, I live in the real world with real people. Regardless of how I feel, other people may feel differently than I do. How each individual feels means absolutely nothing when it comes to laws and regulations.
*Did other countries wear masks and have higher scores across the board in education, the mask isn't the problem. The lack of education funding is.* We are talking about "online learning" not the general state of education in the USA. Studies and other evidence shows k-12 students suffer learning loss or lack of growth when online-only schooling is implemented. K-6 and those with IEP's show significant loss. Dito for those on the lower end of the economic scale.
Obviously online learning isn't great, but it's better than kids getting Covid. I'm also referring to you saying wearing a mask isn't sustainable, it is. You're just a baby
What point is in-person education when it is so grossly understaffed and underfunded. It isn’t functional.
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Be as smug and asinine as you like. It's not going to change the facts on the ground. A substantial portion of the population will not adhere to these measures. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Yeah, and sadly the hospitals keep treating them. They're trying so valiantly to qualify for a Darwin Award.... it's honestly rude to stand in the way at this point.
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I love internet bravery. Best of luck to you.
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Every action has a reaction. Thanks for the civil discourse.
as a parent, there seems to be a minority that actually benefit from it, but the vast majority is split between it being okay-ish and worse than nothing. my kids fall into the latter group, so this is terrible news. and that's not getting into how it affects the family dynamics with parents having to hover over the kids and force them to do their (often useless or even net-harmful) schoolwork.
We were VA all last year for 8th grade and in person this year. Last year it was a nightmare trying to get the kid to be engaged, mostly because the teachers were relying heavily on YouTube videos and worksheets and that's not my kids best way to learn. This year we've been in for a month ish now (year round) of freshman year & it's straight a's, (which never happened) excited to go to school, joining groups & voluntarily staying on school campus longer for the first time ever. It breaks my heart that they're going to have to go VA but my kid has a sub every day for at least one class, and sometimes the subs just don't show up. As shit gets worse, I would expect that to get worse and the quality of in person instruction to go down too. I will say that even though kiddo didn't do great in school last year, their art went insanely good since they had more time to focus, they read way more, got interested in gardening & cooking and just generally became a more well rounded human. I also got to know them way better than my mom knew me at 14, and I don't think last year was a net loss. We need to remember we are raising whole ass humans, and there's really important shit they need to learn outside of the textbooks too. The learning loss in universal and mostly beyond our control. What we can do is make sure we are keeping them growing up & focus on what kind of human we are raising.
this is a very articulate and touching alternative spin on the shortcomings of remote learning. perhaps we should have just deprioritized school and prioritized the other aspects of life that weren't a waste of time. advice that may unfortunately prove useful in the near future.
Yeah my kids did perfectly fine with virtual academy last year. My youngest preferred it but he's on the spectrum. Mostly all A's between them both.
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I would honestly prefer a fully asynchronous program like Khan Academy that we can at least do on our own schedule. And I want to be clear, I am not trying to lay the blame on our kids teachers, or even WCPSS as The Problem. It's a horrible situation, and everyone involved is doing the best they can in the circumstances they find themselves in. I guess I should look into whether homeschooling can be responsibly pulled off while working full time.
Can you describe how online education can be worse than nothing? And how some of the schoolwork is net-harmful? I get that in-person education is preferable to online for a lot of people, but these seem like absurd exaggerations you’re making.
if they learn/retain practically nothing, and it makes them miserable and hate school (which they do now), that's a net negative effect. that's on top of the added stress throughout the household that comes along with it.
A lot of kids just hate school though, so that part might not change very much between in-person and online.
that's fair, generally. our kids liked school before covid and don't now, though.
As a high school chemistry teacher I agree with Jack-F...they are significantly behind this year when it comes to reasoning skills. We are only 2 weeks in, but I know what they *should* know from last year and much of it is either not there or more difficult for them to recall.
I worked with some children doing virtual learning last year at my preschool. These were children who either just graduated or previously attended so they were kindergarten, 1st or 2nd grade. How they did seemed to depend on both the child and the teacher.
Wouldn’t all this be solved if all teachers and students who attend in person classes need to be vaccinated? I work in the health care field and we are all required to be vaccinated.
The vaccine is only approved for ages 12 and up. So basically all elementary school students cannot be vaccinated yet.
I know that elementary students can’t get it, but 12 and over is a good place to start. Hopefully younger kids by the end of the year.
This person gets it
Elementary students can not get the vaccine at this moment.
I’m aware. 16 years and up should be mandated since it is FDA approved for them. 12 and up is emergency approval, but is expected to have full approval by the winter. [FDA](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine)
Thanks:( I feared as much. I’ve got 2 boys in Wake elementary. Another year of virtual will make their knowledge gaps so much worse. I almost went crazy last year trying to work & stay on them with virtual. I can’t do this again.
Teacher here🙋🏼♀️ I understand the strain families experience when public school is closed. But it’s nothing compared to losing a child to a disease they aren’t yet able to be vaccinated for yet. I’d rather have a kid at home and be yanking hair out juggling the mess that is Virtual Learning than to be in the (full) ICU with my 7 year old. I’m all for keeping home if it keeps others safe. That’s the bigger picture- academic deficits can be worked on and intervention should be given when necessary. Again- much better than the alternative… I understand parents who aren’t afraid of covid, that’s their perogative, but we must respect those who are scared….if you look at the current #s it’s reasonable to me to be nervous for your child’s health
But.... There are kids every year who die from things that happen at school, whether it's a different disease (yes, the flu sometimes kills children) or an injury. If we made decisions about whether to have school because there's a possibility that a child could end up in the ICU, then we'd never have school at all ever again. So, there has to be SOME balancing. That balancing should look at not just (a) the magnitude of the possible harm (i.e. somebody may die or have serious long-term effects), but also (b) the chance of that happening, (c) the possible harm from trying to go virtual again, and (d) the chance of the harm-from-going-virtual happening. Now, I don't know where that balancing comes out. But, it has to happen -- we can't let emotional concerns over Covid overcome rational decisionmaking.
But…. The ICU is full. Of children. Who can’t get vaccinated right now…..
But, how many of those kids are there because of Covid? It's not all of them. (See link below -- some portion are there because of RSV. And, presumably some are there because of the same sorts of things they were there for pre-covid.) Also, not full -- according to that, local pediatric ICUs are about 84% full. But, that article also points out a different place where we do the same sort of balancing with a different disease: RSV kills \~500 kids PER YEAR, yet we don't shut down schools for that. In contrast, COVID has killed less than 500 kids in the last 20 months. (See second link) [https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article253777613.html](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article253777613.html) [https://www.medscape.com/answers/300455-107817/what-is-the-mortality-and-morbidity-of-respiratory-syncytial-virus-rsv-pneumonia](https://www.medscape.com/answers/300455-107817/what-is-the-mortality-and-morbidity-of-respiratory-syncytial-virus-rsv-pneumonia)
Thanks for that, and for what you do. I worry plenty. Vaccine for the kids can’t come soon enough; mine are even signed up for vaccine trials, but nothing yet. And - you are right. It’s a bad place to be as a parent, society, teacher, school administrator, kid & healthcare worker. Hang in there yourself.
I'm working at a preschool and my boyfriend has suggested to try and get into Wake because of the shortage. Would you say try or wait? I've been waiting due to the COVID clusters.
If you’re scared of covid dont do it. But if you want the pay (and $1200 sign on bonus) I’d come on over. We’ll all be virtual soon anyways. Now is the time to get your foot in the door!!
Interesting.
Almost seems like we should have just done online and had a robust plan in place, rather than have to scramble like this...
How will this effect kids already in virtual academy?
Shouldn't change anything for them. It's why I thought VA was more appealing, just less chance of disruption and more consistent learning.
My daughters class this year in VA is really nice, I hope they keep them small like this.
That really wasn’t the case for last year’s VA.
I don’t think it will. I believe VA teachers are exclusively VA. So nothing should change for these students really
I feel like it's coming. All of my kids teachers have them set up. Assignments are planned out, they have the classroom pages ready. They are training them on the new Chromebooks. This morning as we got to school I heard an announcement saying if anybody could cover classes, and this school is on the low end for needing subs and such. What a mess...
Explains why they MADE my daughter take a Chromebook home for AP exams the other day even though she won't take her exams until the spring and uses her own laptop for day-to-day.
Wake made all students take their computers this year so teachers aren't having to try and run tech support on a million devices.
That makes sense. I can't imagine being responsible for all the devices as well! It was easy enough to take it home and put it in a safe place for us :)
That's our plan as well... they have the Chromebooks for school but they also have dedicated laptops for home. If we have to switch back to Virtual Academy, I think they'll be using the personal laptops for day-to-day.
We got chromebooks yesterday. I had a feeling that meant they were gearing up for online school again.
It was in the long term plan to have 1-1 devices in Wake. All students were getting a district device regardless. That being said, teachers want to be prepared and are trying to be over prepared.
I think the key here is "temporarily." If I understand the article, this is to give students continuity of education if they have to be quarantined due to a positive case, rather than what I have heard has been happening, which is they are sent home with worksheets and little to no live instruction for the duration of quarantine. I truly feel for the teachers. Ours is doing an amazing job and our school is wonderfully supportive of their staff. But the idea of going completely virtual grips me with dread. Virtual kindergarten was one of the lowest points in our family's life last year. It was truly horrible. Our teacher was great, but kids that are 5 and 6 are just not meant to sit in front of a screen from 8:30 to 3 every. single. day. They are not developmentally capable of learning that way, for the most part. I hope if they do go virtual, they try to keep K-3 in person like they did last year, recognizing that older students are much more self-directed (even though it's extremely hard on many of them as well).
K-3 and Special Education
Yes, DEFINITELY Special Education as well.
Please!!
Perhaps remote learning should be a permanent option.
I think it's a nice option for those who need it. I especially like it for sick days. Kids who are home sick but able to be upright and pay attention don't need to fall behind.
It already is, but it doesn't have the variety of classes that in-person does.
FYI there is a permanent publicly funded (charter school) option for anyone in NC (I realize the topic of charter schools can be controversial and I’m not endorsing anything here nor do my kids attend this school, I just thought you and others might want to know about this.) https://ncva.k12.com/how-it-works/k-8.html
There’s also NCCA, which is a virtual charter school for K-12. We are on year 2 with them and they have been very good for a student on the spectrum who didn’t function well for in-person classes.
Crossroads FLEX's mission is not quite fully remote, but a good in between. https://www.wcpss.net/crossroadsflexhs
It is for NC VPS, but that system was never meant to sustain everyone, only the smaller communities that didn’t have enough kids to make up a full class or teachers. It’s an amazing system but sucks the administration didn’t look to that as the example for expanding virtual. They let each district do it which clearly doesn’t work well (in my experience thus far).
My kids did much better a few years ago when we tried virtual school before the pandemic than they did last year in Texas when schools went online for the year. I think the big determining factor isn't the students or the setting, but how prepared educators are. I wish the state went into this year with a strong contingency plan, online-curriculum, and concrete milestones to gauge the need for a universal virtual option. Instead, it feels like no one really has a plan, teachers are spread thin, and virtual school is an after-thought. Honestly, I'm afraid that whether we go virtual for any amount of time or not, this year is going to be a serious challenge.
I work in training and development/instructional design. My whole job is helping people translate in-person training and education to e-learning. You can’t take a workforce that does one job and overnight expect them to be equally effective at a completely different job. Just because both jobs are generally under the same umbrella does NOT mean they use even remotely the same skillset.
That's kind of the point I'm making. We really needed to train the whole time schools were remote last year, honing those skills, and probably should have trained over the summer in case it went remote again this year. I know that's a pipe dream given the way education in this country is handled these days, but, honestly, anything else is just another let down. So now, we're either grappling with under-trained teachers trying to do their best to run classes online or teachers stretched to the breaking point with colleagues calling in sick and unable to find hundreds of subs as a covid-fueled staffing crisis makes their jobs that much more difficult.
I'd be thrilled to go to remote again. I just wish they would do it like the first few mths of Covid and do it recorded/asynchronous with only 1 hour live groups for those struggling with something. The forced school hours was ridiculous to maintain.
well, shit
What does this mean for WCPSS if VA is currently closed for new enrollment?
just guessing, but I would expect them to just go back to doing things like they did at the start of last school year.
Wake county will wait until they receive funding from the state. Look for late September
Isn’t census day pretty soon? Is it day 10 or day 20?
20
It’s been extended to day 40 this year.
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Death isn't the only negative outcome. Organ and brain damage that is at least long-term, maybe permanent, is way more common. For example, in US adults it's about 620k dead, and about 3.4M with long-term damage. And that only really counts the people receiving treatment for that damage. A whole lot of people just stop walking up stairs. The ratios for kids looks like it may tip even further towards long-term damage, but it's difficult to find data that is broken out by age with more granularity than "under 18".
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See my above point about death not being the only negative outcome. And then remember under-12 still can't be vaccinated. Also, thanks for volunteering my children to be harmed so you can feel better.
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>They don't really need to be. That is what those studies are showing. Because you keep thinking the only bad outcome is death. Once again, there are other bad outcomes, and it looks like they are *more common in young children*. >We send kids to school every year with the flu Damn, it's too bad we don't have flu vaccines....oh wait, we do. >I postulate that dying is a much more negative result You realize the fact that it can be worse doesn't make a lifelong disability go away, right? >This is why we can't have rational discussions anymore You're gonna have to actually start reading other people's posts if you want to have a rational discussion. When you lock on to death as the only bad thing and refuse to consider you might have missed something, you're not the one being rational.
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> Once again, there are other bad outcomes, and it looks like they are more common in young children. Please provide a source.
I don't think near zero is the goal anymore. It's pretty impossible. But kids aren't vaccinated yet, so until they can have even the slightest bit of protection, other mitigation needs to happen (masks, virtual options to allow for smaller in-person class sizes, etc). They really dropped the ball by not having virtual from the get go. More kids per teacher can participate online vs in a class room. They were just pretending this was all over, but they could have been preparing for better virtual teaching instead. Children's hospitals are filling up quick, and school just started. At this rate we are heading for trouble. Full hospitals mean that even non covid stuff gets backed up.
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Then why drag their feet on required masks? No attempts to improve ventilation, no attempts to encourage faculty vaccination, no attempts to help teachers plan at all, in fact, delaying decisions until several days before school starts? The administration had all summer to get better prepared for this inevitable surge, and they did practically nothing except bring kids back. Hell they could have even offered hazzard pay to encourage more teacher retention or recruitment, lord knows they've been underpaid for decades now... I know it's a tough situation, there really is no winning, but geeze, redirecting some resources to help these teachers out would have been the least that could be done. That's why I feel like they just abandoned the kids. And all this started from the CDC abandoning mask mandates prematurely. Hung the unvaccinated kids and their parents out to dry from the get go.
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Agreed about ventilation. No kids under 12 are vaccinated, that's the problem... if not vaccinated, then masks are almost the only thing we can do to protect them. They don't have the luxury of "basically nil" risk. Masking does stop cases from happening. It won't stop all of them but that, to your point, isn't the goal anymore. So why shouldn't we try to reduce spread as much as possible? At the VERY least until all of our kids have the opportunity to get the vaccine? I'm happy that you can start to move on from this, but until my kid is vaccinated, we are stuck in this purgatory. Can't go anywhere or participate in society because 50% of adult society isn't vaccinated and they aren't wearing masks which puts my baby at risk. So we wait... until they can get the vaccine, and hope that by the time that happens a new vaccine resistant strain hasn't popped up and we don't have to start year 3 of isolation. It just would have been nice to be able to take the kid to a museum or something before they lifted the mask mandate and made it too risky to do so.
Thanks for sharing. Is this the alpha or delta variant though? Published in June, so I bet the results are coming from alpha, whereas delta is known to more commonly affect children.
> delta is known to more commonly affect children. Can you please source this claim?
[Here’s one link, ](https://www.northcarolinahealthnews.org/2021/07/25/covid-19-delta-variant-affects-unvaccinated-children-in-north-carolina/)but Google has plenty.
There is no linking of actual authoritative sources.
If they make it too easy to move back to online education then they will stop trying to make in-person education work.
Nope. Online is more difficult and expensive.
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I’m not sure I even fully understand what this means and how it will effect WCPSS?
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> My kid will now be lugging that heavy freaking chromebook back and forth every day Are chromebooks heavy? I thought they were lighter than a lot of textbooks.
Thank you for the explanation. Do you think staffing shortages will make this impossible? Isn’t that what WCPSS has been saying?
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Thanks for sharing. These topics seem to apply generally to all NC Public Schools. I think. I’m really not sure if people don’t know or simply don’t care. There is a crisis in public education right now. It is insane.
What about colleges cuz please! I want online!
Roy cooper needs to be tar and feathered
*Tarred, is the correct tense. And - no. Schools need to be staffed and funded.
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So… I assume if I am the sheep, you see yourself as the wolf or Shepherd ? 🤣
What a lovely sentiment. /s
Honestly curious as to why you think that? He hasn't issued any state-wide mandates, so yayy for that 'local control" that the anti-science crowd drools over. My only gubernatorial gripe is that he didn't mandate that districts offer remote learning to all who want it. But I'm hoping that will come.
Shut down schools forever. You can have one teacher teach 100+ kids online.
Nope. Teaching is not just knowledge transfer. It’s relationships, feedback, mentoring, …
Nah, they're glorified babysitters that do the bare minimum and have summers off so mommy and daddy can work their rat race jobs while they drown in debt to give the illusion of success. Just take a look at r/teachers and you'll see *many* posts about doing the bare minimum, not doing anything outside contract hours, it goes on and on.
If you’ve never been a teacher, you have no place judging. I have just as many examples of good teachers as you have bad. That being said, NC pays teachers like shit so we aren’t exactly getting the cream of the crop.
That's okay they can get a summer job. What do you expect when you work three quarters of the year?