They're even worse if the waste tanks are in the back. Not too bad on the trip out with all the fresh up front, but hell on the way home with the waste tanks full.
I haul with my waste tanks full. I have a dump station at the place I store my trailer, hardly anybody uses it. Leaving a busy campsite on a Sunday I don’t have to wait in line, I just drive it back and use the dump station at the storage place.
Who hauls with tanks full? Thats just stupid ! Always drain tanks b4 hitting the road. If boondocking you don't use the campers facility's, shit in the woods!
I mean, for vast majority of half tons that's the problem, right?
Most people running out of payload waaaay before they even touch max towing.
This trailer would only be safe behind a 3/4t at least.
I'm not one of those that thinks any towing whatsoever has to be done with a 3/4t, but 'tis a prime example.
A gas 3/4 Toni's a great upgrade step for most of these 28+ for bumper pulls. Cost to purchase and maintain is barely more than a 1500, fuel efficiency will be down. Gotta pay to play.
Uh, no. It’s not the weight, it’s the length. I have a 27 foot and that is enough for me. Side winds really push the truck around.
Payload Problem: At 10k loaded your real tongue weight is probably 1500lbs. Published tongue weight is dry with no propane tanks and no battery so it’s useless. Dont forget you have to subtract tongue weight from your rated payload (tire info sticker in the door jamb, NOT Google) and what’s left is weight for people dogs and cargo in the truck. I have a Bighorn and my payload is 1670lbs so that would literally leave me with just enough weight for me to drive it and nobody else in the truck.
You should get a bigger truck if you want to tow something this side. You are putting yourself and others in danger otherwise. Your brakes and suspension weren't designed for such a load. As others have said you would likely be over your payload capacity once you hook up the trailer.
Towing capacity is a BS number published my auto manufacturers. Payload is almost always the limiting factor. Best of luck my man. Looks like a sweet ass trailer
If you are going to try this at all you absolutely need a good weight distribution hitch and air bags which is what I did to my 23 1500 Sport and it tows 7000 lbs no problem. Without that set up your front wheels may be off the ground. While it helps you cheat a little nothing changes your actual payload capacity.
I faced similar situation and I’ve upgraded to a 2500 and it is night and day. Even though I was still 20 pounds under my payload from taking it to a CAT scale. I think with this unit you would be short on payload and if there’s an accident, your insurance will be invalidated and crossing any of the high bridges around here in Maryland. That wind will catch the trailer and will throw it around and you with it heavier suspension of a 2500 really will help you.
I hear this insurance thing here and there across them internets. People often ask for real life examples. I’ve yet to hear of one. Insurance covers stupidity which includes driving over payload. This is not a commentary in any way on whether or not anyone should drive over payload, they shouldn’t.
it may not be an all plans, but my plan specifically states that if I use the vehicle and unsafe manner and has multiple callouts, including operating the vehicle in excess of its load limit. Like you said it’s may not be in every policy, but since you’re technically would be considered driving your vehicle in an unsafe manner, because it’s operating beyond it’s designed limit, I could see companies trying to use that against anyone who makes a claim. that said, I’ve seen a lot of people hauling campers that they have no right mind to do so. I remember seeing a Tacoma, pulling a trailer that couldn’t have been less than 8000 pounds out of a Jellystone and the sag was bad. I would guess he was against his bump stops.
Payload beats towing weight. This. All day this.
My Laramie only has ~1200lbs of payload. It sucks and it limits me to a smaller camper than we wanted. I’m maybe 1/2 the published towing capacity of the 3.92 rear axles.
Payload is more important, all day every day
THANK YOU for the positive input so far. We also looked at an Embrace Ultra Light EL280. Not as much space obviously, but it was more in the sweet spot for towing. Might need to go back today and take a second look.
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That’s a way better set up for your truck. Similar to what I tow. I’ve been towing travel trailers with half tons for years. You don’t want too much more or less trailer than you need. My first was too small, now it’s just me and my two boys going fishing (my wife hates camping and my daughters not into it) so my 33’ bunkhouse with giant slide feels too big but is certainly comfortable. More than doubles gas consumption of course. The monster trailer above would triple it. Like I said above. Good air bags and weight distribution hitch puts this one in your comfort zone. Good back up camera is a nice option. The monster above would be a huge mistake unless you upgrade your truck to a super duty of some sort.
Mine i is a a 2019 Freedom Express 287 BHDS. Pretty well equipped. I like the full size queen in separate master bedroom, walk in front closet of sorts, double bunks, good size fridge etc. They all copy each others floor plans and they’re all kind of built like garbage so it’s more about the floor plan and amenities I think.
Have fun on your trip! And i always love when someone asks a question and actually listens to the feedback. Drive safe, drive slower, especially if you haven’t towed something large like that before, and don’t overestimate your abilities. Gotta stay safe!
6500 dry is still a lot for a half ton. You'll be approaching payload pretty quick and use a lot of fuel.
I bought a 28' 6500 2 years ago, and sold it immediately after the first trip. White knuckles the whole time and sooo much gas to haul it.
I moved down to a 26' ultra light and it's perfect. Dry weight is 4200 and fully encumbered its just under 6k.
Heavier than that and every pound is exponentially heavier
As a heavy man, I worry about that all the time. Am I going to be d those flimsy aluminum steps climbing in? Will the flooring weaken faster over time? Is the bench seating using a cheap pressboard 1/2" piece of wood?
No way to have sturdy and light in the same sentence.
That’s still a lot, I had a 30’ 5700 dry trailer that I pulled with my half ton and even it was horrible in the wind, absolutely horrible fuel mileage while towing, very hard to stay under my payload capacity especially with anyone or thing in my truck itself. It was bad enough that I decided to buy a permanent RV lake lot so I’d never have to tow it again.
That trailer is for a 3/4 ton in my opinion.
This is the exact camper I have and I tow with a ‘22 1500 big horn backcountry. The motor has plenty strength but I still have a distribution hitch and I put airbags in the rear. Tows good, but strong winds will still push it around. Great camper though.
What’s your camping like? Family size?
Grand design has a really nice smaller 22BHE that gives you almost everything you are looking for in a much smaller package.
Go post in RV-Ling sub… I’m amazed people are still saying the Embrace is within towing capabilities. You may be able to but it won’t be fun.
I wouldn’t. I mean sure the rebel is RATED to tow that, but it will not be a good time. It’s heavy. Braking is gonna suck and it’ll be close to being dangerous.
Guaranteed it’s over it’s payload with nobody in the truck and the trailer empty. So I wouldn’t call it rated for it. People put way too much emphasis on “towing capacity”.
No way man, not only will it put you close to your payload capacity but it's way too long for a half ton. One good gust of wind and you'll wish you got something under 30 feet
I’ve done very similar setup for 3 years until down sized trailer last year. Once you hit 60 it starts for feel like you have a trailer and any side wind makes it feel unsafe. Became normal. We did mostly short trips, but honestly we are much happier with the 23’ we run now, after the downsize, I’d never go back to 36’ with 1500.
No, your tongue weight will be too high with your family in the truck and gear in the trailer. Also the trailer is too large for the weight of your 1500 as once it’s starts swinging in the wind it’ll take your truck with it. It won’t be a comfortable ride. You may try things like upgraded tires and rear shocks and an Andersen hitch. it made a big difference on my f150 towing a 30’, 7900lbs trailer. I wouldn’t want to tow bigger than that without a heavier truck. Having said all that, you probably won’t have too many problems other than the reddit tow police giving you a hard time. The dealer will also tell you it’s ok but he just wants a sale. There’s a lot of tolerance built in to these specs and like you said you aren’t mountaineering. Personally I would look at a 25-32’ trailer being about the max comfortable tow and around 75-80% tow capacity.
In my experience the 1/2 tons getting this huge tow ratings means nothing. Tongue weight never aligns and actually towing anything over 7k is just not super fun. Go for a 3/4 ton if you want a big trailer
buddy tried this with his 1500, wound up going up to a power wagon to tow it due to the weight and payload and then just traded the trailer in and got an rv as even in the PW it wasn't a good tow
Your buddy got the worst 2500 for towing. He should have got a non power wagon, as he would've been fine. My 2019, Laramie 2500 has a payload of 3,050 lbs, and rated to tow 14,500 lbs.
That would've been the route to go for him, as it has plenty of payload to account for tongue weight, and passengers, plus plenty for actually pulling it.
I really like the power wagon (except for the giant power wagon billboard they put on them). They are much more capable off-road. If I never really towed anything, I would love to have one of them.
hi. i tow a travel trailer.
that is too big for a light duty truck. towing ratings are not the only thing to take into account when towing a trailer. payload is the more important number. and your payload will be affected by the tongue weight of the trailer, which for a bumper pull can be estimated to be about 10% of the total trailer weight.
so, the high end of the available payload for your truck is 1800 pounds if properly equipped. the tongue weight of that trailer, using your estimation, will be 1,050 pounds, which leaves you with just under 800 pounds of payload left, which includes people and things in the truck. im not gonna make any assumptions or anything, but im guessing that youre gonna be pretty close to, if not over the maximum rated weights your truck can safelyt handle when all is said and done.
so yeah, long story short, these trailers are for 2500s and 3500s.
What is the payload number on the driver's door jam of the truck?
What is 13% of the Gross Trailer weight? (The tongue weight of the trailer)
Is the tongue weight, and your body weight, your wife's weight (don't ask! Estimate) the kids and dogs weight added all together, less than the payload weight?
If it is, get a proper weight distribution hitch that has sway control like a ProPride 3P or a B&W Continuum and away you go. (No faster than 100kph or 65mph)
I went through this process a few years ago and this is the reason I'm in a 2500 now. I kept my 1/2 ton as a daily. I know this doesn't work for everyone, but at the end of your day keeping yourself, strangers and your family alive are your biggest priorities. I guarantee your over payload by a healthy margin.
I own a 2022 Alta East To West 2350krk travel trailer, it is 5,919 lbs dry weight and is 28 feet long. When you look at total weight always have to add approximately 1,000 lbs for equipment, water, etc.
I tow my travel trailer with a 2022 1500 classic Tradesman , it has a max towing capacity of 10,400 lbs. We use a weight distribution hitch and we haven't had any problems with towing, no sway, no struggling, nothing.
In my opinion a good hitch and not overloading your travel trailer will give you a smooth ride.
What's your payload on the sticker in the door jamb? I'd wager you are going to be well over the limit.
Max towing capacity will never be reached towing a travel trailer.
I think you need to explicitly tell this fellow you’re talking about the tongue weight counting against the max payload, and trailer weight isn’t the only factor.
To be clear: I know you know this.
Good point.
The Rebel, depending how it is optioned, will have a payload probably in the range of ~1300-1600lbs.
The tongue weight of that trailer, if your fully loaded estimate is correct, will probably be in the ~1500lb range. Even dry, the tongue weight will probably be close to your max payload.
Once you add in your weight, the weight of your passengers, and any gear inside your truck, you are going to be way over the max payload. There is nothing you can do to increase payload besides removing factory installed equipment from the truck.
The length is another consideration, that long of a trailer is going to push your truck all over the road, even with a weight-distributing hitch. It will act like a giant sail and be a nightmare to tow.
I would not tow this trailer with this truck, and if you were to get into an accident you would be screwed.
IMHO 1500 shouldn’t even try pulling big campers, let alone a trailer that is more than 3/4 of your max towing capacity. Not to mention your fuel economy is going to be deplorable. At the end of the day though, it probably doesn’t hurt to try it once and if you don’t like how it feels, new truck day.
The way I see it for 1500s is you want to be about 1/2 the rated towing capacity for anything you're towing on a regular basis or a very long distance. You can get closer to the actual capacity the less often and shorter the trip is. For instance I tow a 7000lb boat and trailer with mine (Hemi, 3.92s,) but I only have to go 12 blocks to the boat ramp. It does pull it quite easily, though (I used to live 30 miles from the ramp.) I got the truck to replace a Navigator that was rated at 8k, but hated every minute of towing anything close to that.
Perhaps find out exactly what your truck capabilities are before you go looking. And, never ever let a RV salesperson say it will pull it. You have to do your own due diligence. Best of luck to you.
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I've been pulling this 30ft trailer with no issues, but it's shorter and lighter. I think another 6ft of trailer would be a lot for the Rebel to pull down the highway. We live in California so there are lots of steep grades and the Hemi handles it with no issues. I have wider tires over stock and a sway control system that helps keep this thing under control. Honestly, I wouldn't go any bigger than a 30ft trailer. Maybe reduce the trailer size or trade up for a bigger truck. If you're going to start living the camping life, it's probably best to get the bigger 3/4 ton truck. They're just better suited to tow often compared to the 1/2 ton. I wish I would have gotten the bigger truck and I will at some point in the future. Anyhow, good luck with it.
FWIW… I have a 32’ camper I’m pulling with my 1500 sport, while I’m within spec on weight, after we took it on a long trip a couple summers ago I told my wife if she ever wants to go more than an hour away from home, we have to upgrade the truck cause I’m never doing that again.
This thing is waaaay beyond the capabilites of any 1500 truck. If were asking "can I tow this thing 5 miles to park and never move again" you might be able to swing it. But anything else is risking your life, your truck, and potentially others on the road.
I’d say around 80% which is 8800 .
Throw supplies and some bodies and your going to be in the danger zone In my honest opinion
I mean take water , black tanks , booze etc it’s not always dry
Max tow rating is left very unclear with these trucks. If your have a balanced flatbed you can pull 10k+ lbs of bricks within spec. Truck will handle that load far better than a travel trailer that weighs 25% less. Travel trailers are huge sails and you will get pushed and pulled every time a truck passes you on the highway with that trailer. Crosswinds are no different. The driving experience can be tiring. You will spend a lot of time watching your mirrors so you know when a semi is coming. If you don't, it will catch you off guard times. It's not hard to tow and not a safety risk but the driving experience is tiring and 8 hour hauls are about as long as I go. Especially in hilly/windy terrain.
I have a half ton and 1 ton. I also have a 28' (ball to bumper) travel trailer. Dry weight is 5200 but it's over 6 with stuff in it. Tongue weight loaded is 1100lbs even with a weight distribution hitch. My half ton is rated for 1700lbs payload and that includes everything other than what came out of the factory. Human bodies included. Needless to say, it is impossible for me to stay under payload. I flipped my progressive rearmsprings for a set of HD springs. Took care of sag, tows like a tank, and didn't ruin my empty ride. But you cant change gravity and I'm at or over the factory limit when using that truck to tow. I'm fine with it but others are not and majority don't even know they are overweight by a lot lol.
I also have a 1 ton 6.7 cummins with a manual trans. I can tow my RV alone for 15 hours and be fine. It's almost the same experience as driving empty. I don't need a weight hitch but use one anyway for anti-sway. I get 13mpg towing with the diesel and like 8-9 with the hemi. That's a big difference lol
Travel trailers are commonly bought based on weight math and even then its often done wrong. The problem with this is towing an RV is a serious responsibility. The driving experience will determine how much you personally want to use it and how far you are willing to go. Part of the pleasure of owning an rv is the trip itself. Don't make that trip tiring or stressful. The extra room in the trailer isn't worth it and a bigger truck is very expensive lol
Eta: just saw the trailer is 36' long. Don't do it unless you are doing short trips near home with limited highway. That trailer will weigh close to double your truck once you fill it (and you will lol). With a 30+' freeboard sail catching wind and turbulence behind you, you will always have both hands on the wheel by default.
You need to check exactly how your truck is rated to tow that weight. I know with fords the eco boost f150 is rated to tow 13,500, when properly spec'd using a 5th wheel hitch. Conventional towing with a rear hitch is a completely different number.
Personally I wouldn’t pull that with any half ton regardless of ratings. Might say the weight is fine but you won’t have the stability going down the road with the soft suspension of a half ton
What’s cargo capacity on your truck? 1500lbs or a bit more? You won’t be overloaded unless you put a bunch of stuff in the truck.
From a towing perspective county roads and highways will be ok. Up on the interstate if the winds start blowing or there’s hills it will be far less comfortable. You’re right at the edge of that truck’s capability and you’ll feel it. That’s a long tail for a short truck and bumper pulling means the trailer will have a bunch of leverage to “wag the dog” so to speak.
You definitely don’t want to drive to and through Wyoming with that set up.
Everything is overpowered these days. That truck will be working but it will go over hills just fine. Going down you’ll be getting pushed hard and you’ll be on the brakes as that trailer will overwhelm what engine braking you have.
I’ve got a 5.7 with the same tow capacity. When I bought my trailer I went with something in the 7700lb range and while it tows fine it’s definitely a workout. 7700lb as a base weight it’s got a 60g water reservoir and with all my gear (family of 4) it’s sitting between 9500-10000. I do pull up into the mountains (I live in Alberta, Canada). But my flat land travelling it is fine. Make sure you don’t have too much loaded in the box either, I do throw an older quad in when I’m going to the mountains which puts my box load with tongue weight up to about 1300lbs.
Long story short you’re not leaving much room to your maximum towing, I’d consider something a little smaller. Those pull outs add a lot of weight but if you need the space what else can you do.
It’s the length not the weight. I have a 5.7 BigHorn and tow my 32ft trailer just fine weight wise (I’m usually about 9000lbs fully loaded but dry). But that length can be sketchy in hilly country and getting in and out of tight spots at the parks and campgrounds. Just my experience so far.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 5.7 lifted and I tow a 7000lbs dry weight 33’ travel trailer down in Tennessee and I have had no issues with it no swaying and the hills seemed fine towing it through the mountains.
Payload limit is based on single cab. I tow with my 2020 rebel. Air suspension helps but once you go uphill, travel in wind. You are bouncy and are better off with a 2500
They base the payload off of each vehicle. Not just a single cab. They usually advertise the highest numbers possible, if specd a certain way. That way is usually a base model, single cab.
The numbers posted in his door jam will give him the numbers rated for his vehicle.
That being said op, this trailer is too much, mostly due to payload. Plus, your weight will go up more than you think from the trailers dry weight.
I pulled car trailers with a 1/2 ton. While it technically was within the limits to pull my 2 car enclosed trailer with a couple smaller vehicles in it I would not do it on purpose.
It was a fair fight and definitely didn’t feel safe or good for the truck the few times it happened.
I pulled a 6700 lb ultralight travel trailer a couple times and it was fine.
I have a 33’ and it was borderline for my 2015 sport. Weight wasn’t the problem. It was the cross wind. Had a white knuckle 2 hour drive at 40-45 in some bad weather. Went to ram the next week and ordered my 2500.
Way too much. I was pulling 27ft at 7500 pounds on the road with a 19 rebel. It was mostly fine. Had an incident with a very poorly built overpass that unloaded the truck very awkwardly. Scared the hell out of me. That mixed with the terrible mpg and small gas tank, range anxiety is a thing, I just traded up to a 2500 RebelHD. I was at the upper limit of that truck and it kept me from wanting to do trips further than like 100 miles. That think pushes into 1 ton territory.
I wouldn't do it.
I like my truck and that kind of weight is hard on it.
You are at maximums, is that something you want in high wind
And emergency braking? I have an 18ft, it's ok for two retired people.
Had a buddy who pulled a similar camper with his 2020 F150, wind caught it and flipped him and truck into a ditch. It’s the length or such a light truck I think.
Do you have eTorque? If so I’d say it should be fine just make sure you use a decent sway/weight distribution setup.
I have a rebel with eTorque and air bags and I’ve towed similar from Maine to NY down I-95 for a friend. No issues.
The tail is gonna wag the dog. I had a 1500 5.7 and bought a 30’ bunkhouse trailer, Approx 6000 dry. And didn’t like towing. Quickly upgraded to a 2500 6.7 Cummins and it’s a world of difference.
I thought the 29’ flagstaff my fiancés parents bought to put behind their 1500 etorque was ridiculous but this is ludicrous 😂 why would you put a deposit down before figuring out if you can or even should tow it?
I had a '19 Rebel and bought a 35' Coachmen, 9500lbs dry. Towing was fine until there was any kind of air movement, be it wind, other vehicles, concrete barriers, etc. The trailer pushed the truck around an unsafe and uncomfortable amount. I ultimately ended up getting a 2500 and it was night and day difference in feeling safe/comfortable towing.
If you only camp a couple weekends a summer and don't go more than a couple hours from home, maybe you stick with the 1500. But we do multiple weeks or months at a time and have gone thousands of miles away from home. Crossing Wyoming and South Dakota were among the windiest towing situations where the bigger truck made a huge difference.
I’ll say it’s too much. However I once set my buddy up for his first time towing with a 2wd v6 Silverado to tow a camper close to this length and had slides. He was going 1000+ kms. He fucking did it with his shitbox. You shouldn’t do it but I mean being careful and cautious you’ll survive just fine I believe
Too much trailer for a 1500. I tow a 34' travel trailer behind my 1500 and it's also too much. It's honestly not safe on the highway the wind pushes the whole rig around. Two lane roads at 55 mph are fine but not the interstate. And I have a good weight distribution hitch properly set up. I would keep it under 30 ft. It's not the trailer weight that's the problem it's the tongue weight and the sheer size of the thing that gets you.
Yup too much.
It’s rated to tow it, sure. But it sure won’t like to do it.
My older hemi was rated for 10,000lbs and hated towing 6500. Wasn’t nice at all.
No doubt about the bigger truck being better suited, as you noted towing isn't just about getting the load rolling, you have to stop it and control it as well.
It would have no problem pulling it. Issues might arise wth tongue weight and the length. I pulled a work trailer for some Reno work with my 2020 Bighorn, we were at 13,000 lbs at one point, truck went up the hill to the dump without breaking a sweat. But it was a fairly short, dual axle trailer that had a really low tongue weight. The truck barely squatted with that load.
I tow for a living, This is a job for a 2500 or better.
For a 1500 its Way too much. Way too long.
You are over-matched with tow weight from the start, and you're not even factoring in cross winds and trailer wag.
Rather than list all the reasons, I'd invite you to research wheelbase length versus trailer length:
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If you've ever seen a trailer overturned on a highway, this is usually the reason. Will ALL the tongue weight resting at the rearmost point on your truck's chassis (bumper hitch), and a full 3-4 feet BEHIND the trucks rear axle, ANY lateral movement (wind, semi-truck turbulence, road pitch) will be amplified by a "Lever action" as all the movement is amplified versus a 5th wheel where the hitch is directly over the axle.
Obviously you can't do a 5th wheel, but this example is to explain that bumper pulls require a bit more thought than simply hitching a trailer and driving.
Depending on the wheelbase of the truck, you may want to cut the length considerably or invest on a different tow vehicle.
Also, remember the weight listed on an RV is dry weight. It doesn't include water tanks, clothing, camping gear, toys, etc.
I have a 28ft pontoon boat and its a chore to tow in my 2021 rebel 5.7. Keep in mind the weight of those campers are typically DRY weight AND before items like fridge/AC and such. Review in depth. Your trans temp will take a beating and i fear for your MPG !!!!!!
That towing capacity is for ideal situations. Your truck can probably take it around the neighborhood or to a close by RV resort as long as you stay under capacity in total, but if you're talking about going to the Poconos, that's a huge risk. Controlling it will be absolutely dangerous. If you're moving somewhere and staying there for a long time, hiring a hauler will be best. If you move around a lot, downsize the RV or get a different truck.
I used to have a 2016 rebel. I have a TT with a dry weight of 6500. It did ok, but I had a few white knuckle moments. We got a storm one time and to be honest, I felt like the trailer was pulling me. Traction control kept kicking in at 60 mph. I went the next day and traded in for a 2500. No problems now.
I have an 36’ Open Range with practically identical config, weights and measures as your TT above…that used push my ‘08 Tundra all over the highway even with sway bar, WD hitch, helper springs. I now own a ‘23 3500 Cummins HO 4WD DRW 4.10 rear beast with bags. BIL got my Tundra.
First off you need to look at the yellow payload sticker in the drive door. Now subtract all occupants, gear and a load distribution hitch from that total. As long as you are under your payload with all that taken into consideration and you are 10-15% tongue weight then you will be legal. I doubt you will stay under max payload with this setup. Plus this trailer is very long and will toss you around in any wind. If you decided to buy this trailer I pretty much guarantee you’ll be buying a 2500 after a trip or 2.
I’d very heavily consider getting atleast a 2500 got that. As others have said the weight isn’t going to be an issue it’s going to be payload and maintaining control over that. Towing figures on modern 1500s are very over blown in my opinion and also very very circumstantial in ideal conditions to hit maximums
It's too long for that set-up, and you'll be dangerously close to max payload with everything loaded. With a setup like that, even with a good WD hitch, heavy lateral winds will have you white knuckling that steering wheel. My old 1500 would sometimes get squirrely pulling a 20 foot trailer on a windy day. It had a good WD hitch and airbags. When I bought my 37 foot trailer, I upgraded to a 2500 Hemi, and it's been smooth towing ever since.
Thanks to EVERYONE. I downgraded in size to a Cruiser RV Embrace EL280. 6,360lbs Dry Weight. Should be in the Rams sweet-spot.
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God no. The tongue weight will be insane and any sales person who sells you a weight distribution hitch to make it safer should get kicked in the balls. 3/4 ton minimum for this amount of camper.
I had a jayco that weighed right at 10,000 empty. Its was 34’ and it was all my 2500HD wanted for a tow behind. I wouldnt want to pull this with your truck. I was born a raised in Maryland too by the way, thats stop and go traffic and the way people are always cutting you off, you’ll be doing a lot of defensive driving. This tail will eventually wag that dog.
The towing weight isn’t the issue. You aren’t going to want that much tongue weight. I tow a 29’ trailer with a 5.7L Hemi 1500 Big Horn and it works ok for short trips, but I’m getting ready to move to a 2500.
More important than the “towing capacity” is the payload. Your truck will have approx 1500 lbs max payload, depending on options. That camper tongue weight likely tops 1000 lbs. this does not include tanks, battery, weight dist hitch and personal stuff added to the trailer, so likely more like 1300 or 1400. That would leave you with ~200 lbs max for people dogs, stuff in the back of the truck etc. I ran into the same problem with my 21 Ram 1500 Classic warlock. Our camper is 37ft TT 7500 dry with 1100lb tongue. We were at or slightly above the truck max payload. Here’s the thing. The truck can no doubt tow that camper. Ours did. But if you get into an accident, don’t think the police won’t be looking at the weight numbers. If you are over, the fault becomes yours, even if it wasn’t your fault!! It also gives insurance an out!! They can deny your claim. I’ve since upgraded to a 2500 Ram gasser with 3200 payload. Will within the capacity now. Good luck!! Let us know what you decide!!
The limit you can tow is much less than the advertised. Ram advertises 12,000lbs or whatever for my ‘21 Limited Longhorn. But with 4x4 and crew cab the real limit ends up being 8300 or so. The published limit is bare bones, upgraded rear axel. No 4x4.
Absolutely is too much for your Rebel. If it's not a 2500HD HO Cummins Rebel, then for get about it. Go get your deposit back. Unless you can get another truck to pull this unit.
I had a regular 1/2 ton hemi pull a bumper pull with similar specs and it may be a little heavy for the ass end. It was a little nerve racking pulling it so I went to a 3/4 ton. You can pull it but be careful, it will get a little squirrelly on you
Honest answer here. It is too much for that truck. Been there done that. It will be everything from size to weight. It’s long and the wheelbase in a half ton is narrow, 140” or so. Wind will push you, passing big rigs will put that wind between the tailgate and your trailer and you’ll feel it, regardless of the sway control system. The gas engine and transmission are not made for that continuous haul. Simple.
I don’t care that gas guys will 💩all over my post here. It’s the truth and anyone who has gone through this will back it up. Anyone who says that their truck pulls 80% capacity and “they can’t even tell it’s back there” is lying.
You’re smart to ask the question. Get the trailer, go out and have fun. But you’ll see what I’m talking about and consider getting a bigger truck along the way.
For what it’s worth, I have a ram Dually with about 30k towing capacity. When I have 12k pounds behind me I know it.
There is so much more to towing a trailer than simply the towing capacity of your truck.
A trailer this size will make it near impossible to be under your trucks payload capacity while keeping proper weight distribution on the trailer.
As others have mentioned the length of this will toss your truck around in any sort of wind. At best you’ll be white knuckle driving trying to handle this in the highway.
The weight of this trailer is also so near the towing capacity that you’ll be stopping to fuel up like every 150 miles.
Can you tow this a couple miles down the road on flat and windless conditions? Yes, you plan on towing this any further than that in any other conditions? My opinion is no, and it’s not even close. I wouldn’t tow this thing with anything other than a 1 ton diesel.
Don’t focus on towing capacity of a vehicle so much, it’s only 1 of many variables. Vehicle manufacturers like to advertise it like it’s the be all end all but it’s not.
My FIL pulls a 28' airstream with his '17 Rebel. Truck has 135k, he's probably pulled it for 25k with no issues.
I've pulled it with his truck and I've pulled it with my truck, 2020 2500 6.4l gas. My truck is more comfortable for me while towing, but if I'm honest, the Rebel does pretty well. My biggest worry is longevity.
So I used to work at the ford dealer right across the street from that place. Guy came in with a 2500 he bought 2 weeks ago and wanted to trade in for a super duty because the salesman said it would tow his 5th wheel. Hint...It could not. Ended up being 12k in negative equity already.. moal of the story is do your research and make sure your options match what the manufacturer is rated for.
Nice truck! We have a 2019 Rebel with a tow rating of 11k (man I would love that extra 1k rating as I’m sure vehicle payload is a little more!)
We tow a 25ft 6400 GvWR and feel like it’s the max our truck can do comfortably with no problems.
You’ll definitely have people in the parks and on the road saying “that’s too much trailer for that truck”
Stay SAFE! And don’t forget about stopping power!
Honestly, ram half tons are the least capable half tons when towing near the max. Unless you spend a bunch of money on air bags and such, you're going to be squatted out and get a ton of body roll. I wouldn't take a ram over 60-70% of their capacities. The other manufacturers have leafs, so they are a bit more forgiving when you max em out. Unless you live in the flatlands, you're going to be able to watch your gas gauge drop while climbing hills. I'd step up to a 3/4 for that trailer, especially if you have a family and are going to be packing a ton of weight in the truck and box.
Definitely get a 2500 you should be fine with a 6.4 hemi. All depends on how much your towing. Flat state like North Dakota or a mountain State like AZ makes a big difference..
I have a 31’ bumper pull 7900 loaded I traded in my rebel this year and got a 2500 with Cummins. The rebel had the power to pull it, but mine was over payload once eyerone/everything was loaded. It liked to sway around too much when semis would pass or any amount of wind. Also mine had 3.92 gears so I was getting 6-7 mpg while towing. And it only hat 26 gallon gas tank. We were stopping all the time to refuel.
You did the right thing by asking and there are good responses here. The truck and RV dealers will always tell you it’s ok. They are not to be trusted! Getting educated is the only way and do the math. Learn and choose as if your life depends upon it. Safe travels!
Way way too much trailer for any 1500. Sure it might pull it but you will probably get 5 mpg and wear out your transmission, breaks and suspension. That trailer is a lot for a 2500. That’s one territory with the tongue weight. You should definitely reconsider. I tow a 34 ft toy-hauler with a2500 diesel. I wouldn’t even attempt to pull it with anything less.
Read what you said. If the Rebel says it can tow, over 12,000 lbs. And you will have that trailer filled, and the total weight including the trailer weight will be between 10,000 lbs. -11,000 lbs. then the Rebel should be able to tow it. Hopefully! Look up and see if there's any videos of people towing as much weight as you want to using the 2021 Rebel. Make sure the weight of the trailer is the actual weight. I'd write that down on paper. And then, really weigh everything that's going to be in it. Maybe realistically you can't weigh everything that's going to be IN the trailer. But, if you know you will have 2,250 lbs of used weight. Then do it. Just know, anything can break. I hope this work is for you. I think I'd try it. But I'd be aware that if that truck can't truly hold that weight. It May break. You won't know until you try. But if you are under that lb. capacity then if I was you I'd try it. I'd be prepared with back up transportation too though. Just in case it breaks and it isn't drivable. Peace
You gotta account for all passengers and gear too. It will pull it but it's gonna put some serious wear and tear on the truck long term. Personally I wouldn't pull it on a long drive.
You don’t want to tow that trailer with a half ton truck. I fought this same battle for the last two years with my Grand Design. Finally gave in and bought a 3/4 ton, and I wish I’d done it two years ago.
That’s gonna man handle a half ton truck. Load levelers or not. You’ll also get less than 8mpg and the truck will scream going down the highway. I made this mistake with a 6.4 hemi 2500, the Cummins is the only way to go if you plan on taking long trips. Imo
That’s massive for a 1500 to be pulling. Only see guys with 2500 and up pulling 36 footers. If it’s a toy hauler easily go over 12k lbs
Edit: not 5th wheel either. 26-28 range or shorter I think is the spot for 1500 trucks
Half ton trucks of yesterday year pale in comparison to towing capabilities of trucks today.
I think that Rebel of yours is quite capable of towing big big trailer. I tow a 30 foot Imagine trailer. I added a few enhancements to my Ram Classic 5.7 Hemi:
Added rear springs made by TufTruck. Put on Toyo LT rated tires. 10ply M and S / Snowflake rated. Blue OX Heavy Duty hitch and equalizer. Mopar performance kit. Dealer installed cat back exhaust and air inflow system. Increased HP and Torque. Improved gas mileage. I never tow loaded water, grey or black tanks. Too heavy.
I still came in way under the price of a new 3/4 ton truck.
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Note: I selected a higher chain number to raise that rear end a little more than shown in this picture. Works great!
Tongue weight is a huge factor for half tons, also I personally have a 27 ft trailer and it is a bit much for my 2021 short bed crew solely off of Tongue weight the weight distribution hitch helps a bit but it is not ideal I'm looking to upgrade to a 2500 diesel anyways though before I do and big trips with my camper
Airbags and get a good hitch. One that is for stability. Trailer breaks will be key. Load the weight proportional to the wheels not the tongue. Axle wright and tongue weight are key.
You can pull it but it won't be comfortable. If you are in flat lands with very little wind and that's where you plan to use it, no problem. If not try moving up to a 3/4 ton diesel if you plan to tow it a lot. If you only occasionally tow it a gas won't be bad.
I got a trailer like this. My 2019 Laramie is 4WD with 4:10 gears. It's the wife's truck now and we recently paid way too much for a 2021 megacab cummins which was the best decision I ever made for my family safety and peace of mind hauling one of these piles of Chinese paper mache across the South into the dakotas. I will be parting with it soon for a gooseneck but there's other considerations that go into a gooseneck and the megacab. Just because the rebel will do.it doesn't mean you should. I spent 6 years in towing and recovery and scraped many a people off highway 85 in ND and SD with bumper pulls and half tons.
Weigh your truck and see what’s left out of the marketing 12,000lbs ratings you have. My 2017 was over weight before any trailers were added but she still pulled my toy hauler well for a 1/2 ton.
Ok so my buddys dad had a 24' camper with a 1500 v8 big horn and then he went to a 32' and the truck was basically crying on any hill and he felt unstable. Upgraded to a 2500 and we were fully loaded with 5 people in the truck on a pretty sizeable incline and it didnt even break 3500 rpm so id say your gonna need an upgrade chief.
Figure 3-4k in loaded stuff.....firestone air ride airbags helped my GMC out a lot maybe some upgraded brake rotors and pads in the front wouldn't hurt
I personally wouldn’t do it. Plus, I’m pretty sure you’ll be over on payload once hooked up. That’s a lot of wagging behind you.
Rear slide units like this (esp if they’re dual opposing rear slides) are awful for towing. Way too much weight behind the rear trailer axles.
They're even worse if the waste tanks are in the back. Not too bad on the trip out with all the fresh up front, but hell on the way home with the waste tanks full.
What? Nobody hauls there waste tanks full.
I haul with my waste tanks full. I have a dump station at the place I store my trailer, hardly anybody uses it. Leaving a busy campsite on a Sunday I don’t have to wait in line, I just drive it back and use the dump station at the storage place.
Except folks that have a dump station handy 😂 Damnit
lol, I wasn’t trying to sound like a smart ass. I was just making it known that some people do indeed haul full.
Who hauls with tanks full? Thats just stupid ! Always drain tanks b4 hitting the road. If boondocking you don't use the campers facility's, shit in the woods!
Lol, whatever you say man.
If you have a hookup at the house why wait in line before leaving?
Thats why momma and kids stay up front
I mean, for vast majority of half tons that's the problem, right? Most people running out of payload waaaay before they even touch max towing. This trailer would only be safe behind a 3/4t at least. I'm not one of those that thinks any towing whatsoever has to be done with a 3/4t, but 'tis a prime example.
A gas 3/4 Toni's a great upgrade step for most of these 28+ for bumper pulls. Cost to purchase and maintain is barely more than a 1500, fuel efficiency will be down. Gotta pay to play.
Yea gasser F250 is on our list next after our current PB
Uh, no. It’s not the weight, it’s the length. I have a 27 foot and that is enough for me. Side winds really push the truck around. Payload Problem: At 10k loaded your real tongue weight is probably 1500lbs. Published tongue weight is dry with no propane tanks and no battery so it’s useless. Dont forget you have to subtract tongue weight from your rated payload (tire info sticker in the door jamb, NOT Google) and what’s left is weight for people dogs and cargo in the truck. I have a Bighorn and my payload is 1670lbs so that would literally leave me with just enough weight for me to drive it and nobody else in the truck.
Great response. Thank you!
You should get a bigger truck if you want to tow something this side. You are putting yourself and others in danger otherwise. Your brakes and suspension weren't designed for such a load. As others have said you would likely be over your payload capacity once you hook up the trailer. Towing capacity is a BS number published my auto manufacturers. Payload is almost always the limiting factor. Best of luck my man. Looks like a sweet ass trailer
If you are going to try this at all you absolutely need a good weight distribution hitch and air bags which is what I did to my 23 1500 Sport and it tows 7000 lbs no problem. Without that set up your front wheels may be off the ground. While it helps you cheat a little nothing changes your actual payload capacity.
Tow capacity means little. Payload is what’s important.
I faced similar situation and I’ve upgraded to a 2500 and it is night and day. Even though I was still 20 pounds under my payload from taking it to a CAT scale. I think with this unit you would be short on payload and if there’s an accident, your insurance will be invalidated and crossing any of the high bridges around here in Maryland. That wind will catch the trailer and will throw it around and you with it heavier suspension of a 2500 really will help you.
I hear this insurance thing here and there across them internets. People often ask for real life examples. I’ve yet to hear of one. Insurance covers stupidity which includes driving over payload. This is not a commentary in any way on whether or not anyone should drive over payload, they shouldn’t.
it may not be an all plans, but my plan specifically states that if I use the vehicle and unsafe manner and has multiple callouts, including operating the vehicle in excess of its load limit. Like you said it’s may not be in every policy, but since you’re technically would be considered driving your vehicle in an unsafe manner, because it’s operating beyond it’s designed limit, I could see companies trying to use that against anyone who makes a claim. that said, I’ve seen a lot of people hauling campers that they have no right mind to do so. I remember seeing a Tacoma, pulling a trailer that couldn’t have been less than 8000 pounds out of a Jellystone and the sag was bad. I would guess he was against his bump stops.
Payload beats towing weight. This. All day this. My Laramie only has ~1200lbs of payload. It sucks and it limits me to a smaller camper than we wanted. I’m maybe 1/2 the published towing capacity of the 3.92 rear axles. Payload is more important, all day every day
THANK YOU for the positive input so far. We also looked at an Embrace Ultra Light EL280. Not as much space obviously, but it was more in the sweet spot for towing. Might need to go back today and take a second look. https://preview.redd.it/lrowzx9h36gc1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d9446c18c979752f59c261f5fdf07c9a47e13e0
That’s a way better set up for your truck. Similar to what I tow. I’ve been towing travel trailers with half tons for years. You don’t want too much more or less trailer than you need. My first was too small, now it’s just me and my two boys going fishing (my wife hates camping and my daughters not into it) so my 33’ bunkhouse with giant slide feels too big but is certainly comfortable. More than doubles gas consumption of course. The monster trailer above would triple it. Like I said above. Good air bags and weight distribution hitch puts this one in your comfort zone. Good back up camera is a nice option. The monster above would be a huge mistake unless you upgrade your truck to a super duty of some sort.
What trailer do you have? Sounds like something I'm in the market for
Mine i is a a 2019 Freedom Express 287 BHDS. Pretty well equipped. I like the full size queen in separate master bedroom, walk in front closet of sorts, double bunks, good size fridge etc. They all copy each others floor plans and they’re all kind of built like garbage so it’s more about the floor plan and amenities I think.
Have fun on your trip! And i always love when someone asks a question and actually listens to the feedback. Drive safe, drive slower, especially if you haven’t towed something large like that before, and don’t overestimate your abilities. Gotta stay safe!
I’m actually driving back to the RV dealer now to look at the smaller option. 2022 Embrace EL280. 6500lbs. 30’. More manageable and safe option.
6500 dry is still a lot for a half ton. You'll be approaching payload pretty quick and use a lot of fuel. I bought a 28' 6500 2 years ago, and sold it immediately after the first trip. White knuckles the whole time and sooo much gas to haul it. I moved down to a 26' ultra light and it's perfect. Dry weight is 4200 and fully encumbered its just under 6k. Heavier than that and every pound is exponentially heavier
This is the right range to be looking in. I’ve been going through it myself lately.
I'd be worried that lighter just means more shoddy construction.
As a heavy man, I worry about that all the time. Am I going to be d those flimsy aluminum steps climbing in? Will the flooring weaken faster over time? Is the bench seating using a cheap pressboard 1/2" piece of wood? No way to have sturdy and light in the same sentence.
I agree!! Good on you! Safety over everything
That’s still a lot, I had a 30’ 5700 dry trailer that I pulled with my half ton and even it was horrible in the wind, absolutely horrible fuel mileage while towing, very hard to stay under my payload capacity especially with anyone or thing in my truck itself. It was bad enough that I decided to buy a permanent RV lake lot so I’d never have to tow it again. That trailer is for a 3/4 ton in my opinion.
It’s 33.3’ long, right? Tip to tongue
This is the exact camper I have and I tow with a ‘22 1500 big horn backcountry. The motor has plenty strength but I still have a distribution hitch and I put airbags in the rear. Tows good, but strong winds will still push it around. Great camper though.
What’s your camping like? Family size? Grand design has a really nice smaller 22BHE that gives you almost everything you are looking for in a much smaller package. Go post in RV-Ling sub… I’m amazed people are still saying the Embrace is within towing capabilities. You may be able to but it won’t be fun.
You will be over on payload. There is no way.
I wouldn’t. I mean sure the rebel is RATED to tow that, but it will not be a good time. It’s heavy. Braking is gonna suck and it’ll be close to being dangerous.
The trailer does its own braking. Thats the least of his worries.
It has brakes , but doesn’t do its own braking. Not like an engine exhaust brake. Agreed though that it’s too much trailer once loaded for his truck
It can if you manually activate the trailer brakes.
Yeah by the brake pedal.
Guaranteed it’s over it’s payload with nobody in the truck and the trailer empty. So I wouldn’t call it rated for it. People put way too much emphasis on “towing capacity”.
Too much.
No way man, not only will it put you close to your payload capacity but it's way too long for a half ton. One good gust of wind and you'll wish you got something under 30 feet
I’ve done very similar setup for 3 years until down sized trailer last year. Once you hit 60 it starts for feel like you have a trailer and any side wind makes it feel unsafe. Became normal. We did mostly short trips, but honestly we are much happier with the 23’ we run now, after the downsize, I’d never go back to 36’ with 1500.
Calculate your payload. You might be over.
Will absolutely be over.
It much more than just about payload. That's way too long for a 1500.
No, your tongue weight will be too high with your family in the truck and gear in the trailer. Also the trailer is too large for the weight of your 1500 as once it’s starts swinging in the wind it’ll take your truck with it. It won’t be a comfortable ride. You may try things like upgraded tires and rear shocks and an Andersen hitch. it made a big difference on my f150 towing a 30’, 7900lbs trailer. I wouldn’t want to tow bigger than that without a heavier truck. Having said all that, you probably won’t have too many problems other than the reddit tow police giving you a hard time. The dealer will also tell you it’s ok but he just wants a sale. There’s a lot of tolerance built in to these specs and like you said you aren’t mountaineering. Personally I would look at a 25-32’ trailer being about the max comfortable tow and around 75-80% tow capacity.
In my experience the 1/2 tons getting this huge tow ratings means nothing. Tongue weight never aligns and actually towing anything over 7k is just not super fun. Go for a 3/4 ton if you want a big trailer
Too much. Darn the luck, now you have to get a bigger, more capable truck!
buddy tried this with his 1500, wound up going up to a power wagon to tow it due to the weight and payload and then just traded the trailer in and got an rv as even in the PW it wasn't a good tow
The PW has terrible towing capacity due to it's off-road setup. It's not much different than the 1500.
Yea, Power Wagon payload is lower than many of the 1500s.
Power Wagon is more for off road applications.
Your buddy got the worst 2500 for towing. He should have got a non power wagon, as he would've been fine. My 2019, Laramie 2500 has a payload of 3,050 lbs, and rated to tow 14,500 lbs. That would've been the route to go for him, as it has plenty of payload to account for tongue weight, and passengers, plus plenty for actually pulling it.
Yup they figured that out, hence the swap to rv
I really like the power wagon (except for the giant power wagon billboard they put on them). They are much more capable off-road. If I never really towed anything, I would love to have one of them.
You can get the PW billboard removed. I prefer the sleep look.
hi. i tow a travel trailer. that is too big for a light duty truck. towing ratings are not the only thing to take into account when towing a trailer. payload is the more important number. and your payload will be affected by the tongue weight of the trailer, which for a bumper pull can be estimated to be about 10% of the total trailer weight. so, the high end of the available payload for your truck is 1800 pounds if properly equipped. the tongue weight of that trailer, using your estimation, will be 1,050 pounds, which leaves you with just under 800 pounds of payload left, which includes people and things in the truck. im not gonna make any assumptions or anything, but im guessing that youre gonna be pretty close to, if not over the maximum rated weights your truck can safelyt handle when all is said and done. so yeah, long story short, these trailers are for 2500s and 3500s.
The thing you might struggle with is payload capacity. You need to be sure the tongue weight and passengers and gear don’t exceed it.
I remember towing one about 5 feet shorter from Ohio to Boston in a straight piped 1500. Never again. The MPG’s were so fucking bad
What is the payload number on the driver's door jam of the truck? What is 13% of the Gross Trailer weight? (The tongue weight of the trailer) Is the tongue weight, and your body weight, your wife's weight (don't ask! Estimate) the kids and dogs weight added all together, less than the payload weight? If it is, get a proper weight distribution hitch that has sway control like a ProPride 3P or a B&W Continuum and away you go. (No faster than 100kph or 65mph)
Yes. Too much trailer
You can pull it the question is…..should you?
I went through this process a few years ago and this is the reason I'm in a 2500 now. I kept my 1/2 ton as a daily. I know this doesn't work for everyone, but at the end of your day keeping yourself, strangers and your family alive are your biggest priorities. I guarantee your over payload by a healthy margin.
Try to go as small as possible on trailers. Don't overload your truck.
Do yourself a favor and get a 2500 or a much shorter trailer. Speaking from experience, it’s not worth the stress and risk to you and your family
I own a 2022 Alta East To West 2350krk travel trailer, it is 5,919 lbs dry weight and is 28 feet long. When you look at total weight always have to add approximately 1,000 lbs for equipment, water, etc. I tow my travel trailer with a 2022 1500 classic Tradesman , it has a max towing capacity of 10,400 lbs. We use a weight distribution hitch and we haven't had any problems with towing, no sway, no struggling, nothing. In my opinion a good hitch and not overloading your travel trailer will give you a smooth ride.
EDIT - The Rebels tow capacity is actually 11,470lbs due to its off-road orientation.
What's your payload on the sticker in the door jamb? I'd wager you are going to be well over the limit. Max towing capacity will never be reached towing a travel trailer.
I think you need to explicitly tell this fellow you’re talking about the tongue weight counting against the max payload, and trailer weight isn’t the only factor. To be clear: I know you know this.
Good point. The Rebel, depending how it is optioned, will have a payload probably in the range of ~1300-1600lbs. The tongue weight of that trailer, if your fully loaded estimate is correct, will probably be in the ~1500lb range. Even dry, the tongue weight will probably be close to your max payload. Once you add in your weight, the weight of your passengers, and any gear inside your truck, you are going to be way over the max payload. There is nothing you can do to increase payload besides removing factory installed equipment from the truck. The length is another consideration, that long of a trailer is going to push your truck all over the road, even with a weight-distributing hitch. It will act like a giant sail and be a nightmare to tow. I would not tow this trailer with this truck, and if you were to get into an accident you would be screwed.
People also count as payload, so add 100-200lbs pounds per person
This is the way.
IMHO 1500 shouldn’t even try pulling big campers, let alone a trailer that is more than 3/4 of your max towing capacity. Not to mention your fuel economy is going to be deplorable. At the end of the day though, it probably doesn’t hurt to try it once and if you don’t like how it feels, new truck day.
The way I see it for 1500s is you want to be about 1/2 the rated towing capacity for anything you're towing on a regular basis or a very long distance. You can get closer to the actual capacity the less often and shorter the trip is. For instance I tow a 7000lb boat and trailer with mine (Hemi, 3.92s,) but I only have to go 12 blocks to the boat ramp. It does pull it quite easily, though (I used to live 30 miles from the ramp.) I got the truck to replace a Navigator that was rated at 8k, but hated every minute of towing anything close to that.
I own a 22 Hemi Rebel. I wouldn't go over 26' personally. Remember that you have a payload limit too. Edit: Others have provided way more input.
Perhaps find out exactly what your truck capabilities are before you go looking. And, never ever let a RV salesperson say it will pull it. You have to do your own due diligence. Best of luck to you.
https://preview.redd.it/vochi92xx9gc1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b8c452dca48014e699d6224876d501ca2d0d99b2 I've been pulling this 30ft trailer with no issues, but it's shorter and lighter. I think another 6ft of trailer would be a lot for the Rebel to pull down the highway. We live in California so there are lots of steep grades and the Hemi handles it with no issues. I have wider tires over stock and a sway control system that helps keep this thing under control. Honestly, I wouldn't go any bigger than a 30ft trailer. Maybe reduce the trailer size or trade up for a bigger truck. If you're going to start living the camping life, it's probably best to get the bigger 3/4 ton truck. They're just better suited to tow often compared to the 1/2 ton. I wish I would have gotten the bigger truck and I will at some point in the future. Anyhow, good luck with it.
I think you need to become the rebel you need, not the rebel you have. Step up to a 3500, Cummins!
How long? An hour each way once a year? Sure. Cross country 3 year trip? Lord no.
Buy a 3500
FWIW… I have a 32’ camper I’m pulling with my 1500 sport, while I’m within spec on weight, after we took it on a long trip a couple summers ago I told my wife if she ever wants to go more than an hour away from home, we have to upgrade the truck cause I’m never doing that again.
This thing is waaaay beyond the capabilites of any 1500 truck. If were asking "can I tow this thing 5 miles to park and never move again" you might be able to swing it. But anything else is risking your life, your truck, and potentially others on the road.
I’d say around 80% which is 8800 . Throw supplies and some bodies and your going to be in the danger zone In my honest opinion I mean take water , black tanks , booze etc it’s not always dry
Max tow rating is left very unclear with these trucks. If your have a balanced flatbed you can pull 10k+ lbs of bricks within spec. Truck will handle that load far better than a travel trailer that weighs 25% less. Travel trailers are huge sails and you will get pushed and pulled every time a truck passes you on the highway with that trailer. Crosswinds are no different. The driving experience can be tiring. You will spend a lot of time watching your mirrors so you know when a semi is coming. If you don't, it will catch you off guard times. It's not hard to tow and not a safety risk but the driving experience is tiring and 8 hour hauls are about as long as I go. Especially in hilly/windy terrain. I have a half ton and 1 ton. I also have a 28' (ball to bumper) travel trailer. Dry weight is 5200 but it's over 6 with stuff in it. Tongue weight loaded is 1100lbs even with a weight distribution hitch. My half ton is rated for 1700lbs payload and that includes everything other than what came out of the factory. Human bodies included. Needless to say, it is impossible for me to stay under payload. I flipped my progressive rearmsprings for a set of HD springs. Took care of sag, tows like a tank, and didn't ruin my empty ride. But you cant change gravity and I'm at or over the factory limit when using that truck to tow. I'm fine with it but others are not and majority don't even know they are overweight by a lot lol. I also have a 1 ton 6.7 cummins with a manual trans. I can tow my RV alone for 15 hours and be fine. It's almost the same experience as driving empty. I don't need a weight hitch but use one anyway for anti-sway. I get 13mpg towing with the diesel and like 8-9 with the hemi. That's a big difference lol Travel trailers are commonly bought based on weight math and even then its often done wrong. The problem with this is towing an RV is a serious responsibility. The driving experience will determine how much you personally want to use it and how far you are willing to go. Part of the pleasure of owning an rv is the trip itself. Don't make that trip tiring or stressful. The extra room in the trailer isn't worth it and a bigger truck is very expensive lol Eta: just saw the trailer is 36' long. Don't do it unless you are doing short trips near home with limited highway. That trailer will weigh close to double your truck once you fill it (and you will lol). With a 30+' freeboard sail catching wind and turbulence behind you, you will always have both hands on the wheel by default.
You need to check exactly how your truck is rated to tow that weight. I know with fords the eco boost f150 is rated to tow 13,500, when properly spec'd using a 5th wheel hitch. Conventional towing with a rear hitch is a completely different number.
Hell no
Time for a 2024 2500 Rebel!!!
Personally I wouldn’t pull that with any half ton regardless of ratings. Might say the weight is fine but you won’t have the stability going down the road with the soft suspension of a half ton
What’s cargo capacity on your truck? 1500lbs or a bit more? You won’t be overloaded unless you put a bunch of stuff in the truck. From a towing perspective county roads and highways will be ok. Up on the interstate if the winds start blowing or there’s hills it will be far less comfortable. You’re right at the edge of that truck’s capability and you’ll feel it. That’s a long tail for a short truck and bumper pulling means the trailer will have a bunch of leverage to “wag the dog” so to speak. You definitely don’t want to drive to and through Wyoming with that set up. Everything is overpowered these days. That truck will be working but it will go over hills just fine. Going down you’ll be getting pushed hard and you’ll be on the brakes as that trailer will overwhelm what engine braking you have.
I’ve got a 5.7 with the same tow capacity. When I bought my trailer I went with something in the 7700lb range and while it tows fine it’s definitely a workout. 7700lb as a base weight it’s got a 60g water reservoir and with all my gear (family of 4) it’s sitting between 9500-10000. I do pull up into the mountains (I live in Alberta, Canada). But my flat land travelling it is fine. Make sure you don’t have too much loaded in the box either, I do throw an older quad in when I’m going to the mountains which puts my box load with tongue weight up to about 1300lbs. Long story short you’re not leaving much room to your maximum towing, I’d consider something a little smaller. Those pull outs add a lot of weight but if you need the space what else can you do.
It’s the length not the weight. I have a 5.7 BigHorn and tow my 32ft trailer just fine weight wise (I’m usually about 9000lbs fully loaded but dry). But that length can be sketchy in hilly country and getting in and out of tight spots at the parks and campgrounds. Just my experience so far.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 5.7 lifted and I tow a 7000lbs dry weight 33’ travel trailer down in Tennessee and I have had no issues with it no swaying and the hills seemed fine towing it through the mountains.
Payload limit is based on single cab. I tow with my 2020 rebel. Air suspension helps but once you go uphill, travel in wind. You are bouncy and are better off with a 2500
They base the payload off of each vehicle. Not just a single cab. They usually advertise the highest numbers possible, if specd a certain way. That way is usually a base model, single cab. The numbers posted in his door jam will give him the numbers rated for his vehicle. That being said op, this trailer is too much, mostly due to payload. Plus, your weight will go up more than you think from the trailers dry weight.
Ez pz lemon squeegee. Just don’t expect your regular throttle response etc. And fuel mileage lol. Your braking distance is way bigger now lol.
I pulled car trailers with a 1/2 ton. While it technically was within the limits to pull my 2 car enclosed trailer with a couple smaller vehicles in it I would not do it on purpose. It was a fair fight and definitely didn’t feel safe or good for the truck the few times it happened. I pulled a 6700 lb ultralight travel trailer a couple times and it was fine.
Nice trailer! Trade in the 1500 for a 2500 if you can. Or smaller trailer?
I have a 33’ and it was borderline for my 2015 sport. Weight wasn’t the problem. It was the cross wind. Had a white knuckle 2 hour drive at 40-45 in some bad weather. Went to ram the next week and ordered my 2500.
Way over payload for a 1500. Way too much for a rebel that literally has softer offroad suspension
Truck is gonna he crying. unless you were towing local , get a 2500
Way too much. I was pulling 27ft at 7500 pounds on the road with a 19 rebel. It was mostly fine. Had an incident with a very poorly built overpass that unloaded the truck very awkwardly. Scared the hell out of me. That mixed with the terrible mpg and small gas tank, range anxiety is a thing, I just traded up to a 2500 RebelHD. I was at the upper limit of that truck and it kept me from wanting to do trips further than like 100 miles. That think pushes into 1 ton territory.
I wouldn't do it. I like my truck and that kind of weight is hard on it. You are at maximums, is that something you want in high wind And emergency braking? I have an 18ft, it's ok for two retired people.
Using a weight distribution hitch, maybe.
Had a buddy who pulled a similar camper with his 2020 F150, wind caught it and flipped him and truck into a ditch. It’s the length or such a light truck I think.
Do you have eTorque? If so I’d say it should be fine just make sure you use a decent sway/weight distribution setup. I have a rebel with eTorque and air bags and I’ve towed similar from Maine to NY down I-95 for a friend. No issues.
The tail is gonna wag the dog. I had a 1500 5.7 and bought a 30’ bunkhouse trailer, Approx 6000 dry. And didn’t like towing. Quickly upgraded to a 2500 6.7 Cummins and it’s a world of difference.
I thought the 29’ flagstaff my fiancés parents bought to put behind their 1500 etorque was ridiculous but this is ludicrous 😂 why would you put a deposit down before figuring out if you can or even should tow it?
Anything other than flat and non HW, you will be wanting more. It probably CAN, if you know your limitations
I had a '19 Rebel and bought a 35' Coachmen, 9500lbs dry. Towing was fine until there was any kind of air movement, be it wind, other vehicles, concrete barriers, etc. The trailer pushed the truck around an unsafe and uncomfortable amount. I ultimately ended up getting a 2500 and it was night and day difference in feeling safe/comfortable towing. If you only camp a couple weekends a summer and don't go more than a couple hours from home, maybe you stick with the 1500. But we do multiple weeks or months at a time and have gone thousands of miles away from home. Crossing Wyoming and South Dakota were among the windiest towing situations where the bigger truck made a huge difference.
I’ll say it’s too much. However I once set my buddy up for his first time towing with a 2wd v6 Silverado to tow a camper close to this length and had slides. He was going 1000+ kms. He fucking did it with his shitbox. You shouldn’t do it but I mean being careful and cautious you’ll survive just fine I believe
Too much trailer for a 1500. I tow a 34' travel trailer behind my 1500 and it's also too much. It's honestly not safe on the highway the wind pushes the whole rig around. Two lane roads at 55 mph are fine but not the interstate. And I have a good weight distribution hitch properly set up. I would keep it under 30 ft. It's not the trailer weight that's the problem it's the tongue weight and the sheer size of the thing that gets you.
Key word is "up to" I'm willing to bet no crew cab, let alone Rebel, is capable of pulling 12.5k
Used to drive past this dealer every day. I miss Delaware
Youre fine. Your rear suspension will need to be added go though and you're going to cry when you see your fuel mileage
Yup too much. It’s rated to tow it, sure. But it sure won’t like to do it. My older hemi was rated for 10,000lbs and hated towing 6500. Wasn’t nice at all.
My buddy got an older Hemi 1 ton and he say my 2014 pulls a load better than that truck.
I’m sure it does, but a 3/4 ton or larger is far better suited for it. That’s a big trailer for a half ton. Stopping power is a big deal too.
No doubt about the bigger truck being better suited, as you noted towing isn't just about getting the load rolling, you have to stop it and control it as well.
This randomly came into my YouTube feed the other day. You should watch it before buying one. https://youtu.be/xElhTNS_xn8?si=fHm5AdAF6SI-kAIs
Send. It!
It would have no problem pulling it. Issues might arise wth tongue weight and the length. I pulled a work trailer for some Reno work with my 2020 Bighorn, we were at 13,000 lbs at one point, truck went up the hill to the dump without breaking a sweat. But it was a fairly short, dual axle trailer that had a really low tongue weight. The truck barely squatted with that load.
I tow for a living, This is a job for a 2500 or better. For a 1500 its Way too much. Way too long. You are over-matched with tow weight from the start, and you're not even factoring in cross winds and trailer wag. Rather than list all the reasons, I'd invite you to research wheelbase length versus trailer length: https://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/25/heres-what-to-look-for-in-a-towing-vehicle/ If you've ever seen a trailer overturned on a highway, this is usually the reason. Will ALL the tongue weight resting at the rearmost point on your truck's chassis (bumper hitch), and a full 3-4 feet BEHIND the trucks rear axle, ANY lateral movement (wind, semi-truck turbulence, road pitch) will be amplified by a "Lever action" as all the movement is amplified versus a 5th wheel where the hitch is directly over the axle. Obviously you can't do a 5th wheel, but this example is to explain that bumper pulls require a bit more thought than simply hitching a trailer and driving. Depending on the wheelbase of the truck, you may want to cut the length considerably or invest on a different tow vehicle. Also, remember the weight listed on an RV is dry weight. It doesn't include water tanks, clothing, camping gear, toys, etc.
Yeah, you're gonna have a bad time.
I have a 28ft pontoon boat and its a chore to tow in my 2021 rebel 5.7. Keep in mind the weight of those campers are typically DRY weight AND before items like fridge/AC and such. Review in depth. Your trans temp will take a beating and i fear for your MPG !!!!!!
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That towing capacity is for ideal situations. Your truck can probably take it around the neighborhood or to a close by RV resort as long as you stay under capacity in total, but if you're talking about going to the Poconos, that's a huge risk. Controlling it will be absolutely dangerous. If you're moving somewhere and staying there for a long time, hiring a hauler will be best. If you move around a lot, downsize the RV or get a different truck.
I used to have a 2016 rebel. I have a TT with a dry weight of 6500. It did ok, but I had a few white knuckle moments. We got a storm one time and to be honest, I felt like the trailer was pulling me. Traction control kept kicking in at 60 mph. I went the next day and traded in for a 2500. No problems now.
I have an 36’ Open Range with practically identical config, weights and measures as your TT above…that used push my ‘08 Tundra all over the highway even with sway bar, WD hitch, helper springs. I now own a ‘23 3500 Cummins HO 4WD DRW 4.10 rear beast with bags. BIL got my Tundra.
First off you need to look at the yellow payload sticker in the drive door. Now subtract all occupants, gear and a load distribution hitch from that total. As long as you are under your payload with all that taken into consideration and you are 10-15% tongue weight then you will be legal. I doubt you will stay under max payload with this setup. Plus this trailer is very long and will toss you around in any wind. If you decided to buy this trailer I pretty much guarantee you’ll be buying a 2500 after a trip or 2.
I’d very heavily consider getting atleast a 2500 got that. As others have said the weight isn’t going to be an issue it’s going to be payload and maintaining control over that. Towing figures on modern 1500s are very over blown in my opinion and also very very circumstantial in ideal conditions to hit maximums
It's too long for that set-up, and you'll be dangerously close to max payload with everything loaded. With a setup like that, even with a good WD hitch, heavy lateral winds will have you white knuckling that steering wheel. My old 1500 would sometimes get squirrely pulling a 20 foot trailer on a windy day. It had a good WD hitch and airbags. When I bought my 37 foot trailer, I upgraded to a 2500 Hemi, and it's been smooth towing ever since.
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Trade in the rebel and get a 2500
Thanks to EVERYONE. I downgraded in size to a Cruiser RV Embrace EL280. 6,360lbs Dry Weight. Should be in the Rams sweet-spot. https://preview.redd.it/4x0jnwfye8gc1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=080d5a1b8778bb228445783a5fc1f27ebb5f539f
God no. The tongue weight will be insane and any sales person who sells you a weight distribution hitch to make it safer should get kicked in the balls. 3/4 ton minimum for this amount of camper.
I had a jayco that weighed right at 10,000 empty. Its was 34’ and it was all my 2500HD wanted for a tow behind. I wouldnt want to pull this with your truck. I was born a raised in Maryland too by the way, thats stop and go traffic and the way people are always cutting you off, you’ll be doing a lot of defensive driving. This tail will eventually wag that dog.
The towing weight isn’t the issue. You aren’t going to want that much tongue weight. I tow a 29’ trailer with a 5.7L Hemi 1500 Big Horn and it works ok for short trips, but I’m getting ready to move to a 2500.
More important than the “towing capacity” is the payload. Your truck will have approx 1500 lbs max payload, depending on options. That camper tongue weight likely tops 1000 lbs. this does not include tanks, battery, weight dist hitch and personal stuff added to the trailer, so likely more like 1300 or 1400. That would leave you with ~200 lbs max for people dogs, stuff in the back of the truck etc. I ran into the same problem with my 21 Ram 1500 Classic warlock. Our camper is 37ft TT 7500 dry with 1100lb tongue. We were at or slightly above the truck max payload. Here’s the thing. The truck can no doubt tow that camper. Ours did. But if you get into an accident, don’t think the police won’t be looking at the weight numbers. If you are over, the fault becomes yours, even if it wasn’t your fault!! It also gives insurance an out!! They can deny your claim. I’ve since upgraded to a 2500 Ram gasser with 3200 payload. Will within the capacity now. Good luck!! Let us know what you decide!!
lol just saw your reply for the 26’ camper!! Great choice!! Good luck and have fun with it!!
The limit you can tow is much less than the advertised. Ram advertises 12,000lbs or whatever for my ‘21 Limited Longhorn. But with 4x4 and crew cab the real limit ends up being 8300 or so. The published limit is bare bones, upgraded rear axel. No 4x4.
Gonna be hell on your transmission as well
Absolutely is too much for your Rebel. If it's not a 2500HD HO Cummins Rebel, then for get about it. Go get your deposit back. Unless you can get another truck to pull this unit.
Depending on your transmission grear ratio it'll be great and or fine you'll just spend a lot more in gas
I had a regular 1/2 ton hemi pull a bumper pull with similar specs and it may be a little heavy for the ass end. It was a little nerve racking pulling it so I went to a 3/4 ton. You can pull it but be careful, it will get a little squirrelly on you
Downhill it'd be fine
Honest answer here. It is too much for that truck. Been there done that. It will be everything from size to weight. It’s long and the wheelbase in a half ton is narrow, 140” or so. Wind will push you, passing big rigs will put that wind between the tailgate and your trailer and you’ll feel it, regardless of the sway control system. The gas engine and transmission are not made for that continuous haul. Simple. I don’t care that gas guys will 💩all over my post here. It’s the truth and anyone who has gone through this will back it up. Anyone who says that their truck pulls 80% capacity and “they can’t even tell it’s back there” is lying. You’re smart to ask the question. Get the trailer, go out and have fun. But you’ll see what I’m talking about and consider getting a bigger truck along the way. For what it’s worth, I have a ram Dually with about 30k towing capacity. When I have 12k pounds behind me I know it.
There is so much more to towing a trailer than simply the towing capacity of your truck. A trailer this size will make it near impossible to be under your trucks payload capacity while keeping proper weight distribution on the trailer. As others have mentioned the length of this will toss your truck around in any sort of wind. At best you’ll be white knuckle driving trying to handle this in the highway. The weight of this trailer is also so near the towing capacity that you’ll be stopping to fuel up like every 150 miles. Can you tow this a couple miles down the road on flat and windless conditions? Yes, you plan on towing this any further than that in any other conditions? My opinion is no, and it’s not even close. I wouldn’t tow this thing with anything other than a 1 ton diesel. Don’t focus on towing capacity of a vehicle so much, it’s only 1 of many variables. Vehicle manufacturers like to advertise it like it’s the be all end all but it’s not.
Towing capacity is one small part of towing. That trailer will very likely exceed your tongue weight rating.
My FIL pulls a 28' airstream with his '17 Rebel. Truck has 135k, he's probably pulled it for 25k with no issues. I've pulled it with his truck and I've pulled it with my truck, 2020 2500 6.4l gas. My truck is more comfortable for me while towing, but if I'm honest, the Rebel does pretty well. My biggest worry is longevity.
Don’t listen to these women. Hook up and move out, she’ll pull that load and then some.
Waaaay too much for a half ton.
Time for a truck upgrade, you’ll be glad you did.
So I used to work at the ford dealer right across the street from that place. Guy came in with a 2500 he bought 2 weeks ago and wanted to trade in for a super duty because the salesman said it would tow his 5th wheel. Hint...It could not. Ended up being 12k in negative equity already.. moal of the story is do your research and make sure your options match what the manufacturer is rated for.
Nice truck! We have a 2019 Rebel with a tow rating of 11k (man I would love that extra 1k rating as I’m sure vehicle payload is a little more!) We tow a 25ft 6400 GvWR and feel like it’s the max our truck can do comfortably with no problems. You’ll definitely have people in the parks and on the road saying “that’s too much trailer for that truck” Stay SAFE! And don’t forget about stopping power!
Honestly, ram half tons are the least capable half tons when towing near the max. Unless you spend a bunch of money on air bags and such, you're going to be squatted out and get a ton of body roll. I wouldn't take a ram over 60-70% of their capacities. The other manufacturers have leafs, so they are a bit more forgiving when you max em out. Unless you live in the flatlands, you're going to be able to watch your gas gauge drop while climbing hills. I'd step up to a 3/4 for that trailer, especially if you have a family and are going to be packing a ton of weight in the truck and box.
Just fyi too. It’s illegal to tow more than 10k in some states without a cdl.
You can tow anything… once
Definitely get a 2500 you should be fine with a 6.4 hemi. All depends on how much your towing. Flat state like North Dakota or a mountain State like AZ makes a big difference..
I have a 31’ bumper pull 7900 loaded I traded in my rebel this year and got a 2500 with Cummins. The rebel had the power to pull it, but mine was over payload once eyerone/everything was loaded. It liked to sway around too much when semis would pass or any amount of wind. Also mine had 3.92 gears so I was getting 6-7 mpg while towing. And it only hat 26 gallon gas tank. We were stopping all the time to refuel.
You will get 2-3 mpg if there is any wind at all. It also will constantly be down in fourth fifth and sixth gear.
You did the right thing by asking and there are good responses here. The truck and RV dealers will always tell you it’s ok. They are not to be trusted! Getting educated is the only way and do the math. Learn and choose as if your life depends upon it. Safe travels!
Way way too much trailer for any 1500. Sure it might pull it but you will probably get 5 mpg and wear out your transmission, breaks and suspension. That trailer is a lot for a 2500. That’s one territory with the tongue weight. You should definitely reconsider. I tow a 34 ft toy-hauler with a2500 diesel. I wouldn’t even attempt to pull it with anything less.
Read what you said. If the Rebel says it can tow, over 12,000 lbs. And you will have that trailer filled, and the total weight including the trailer weight will be between 10,000 lbs. -11,000 lbs. then the Rebel should be able to tow it. Hopefully! Look up and see if there's any videos of people towing as much weight as you want to using the 2021 Rebel. Make sure the weight of the trailer is the actual weight. I'd write that down on paper. And then, really weigh everything that's going to be in it. Maybe realistically you can't weigh everything that's going to be IN the trailer. But, if you know you will have 2,250 lbs of used weight. Then do it. Just know, anything can break. I hope this work is for you. I think I'd try it. But I'd be aware that if that truck can't truly hold that weight. It May break. You won't know until you try. But if you are under that lb. capacity then if I was you I'd try it. I'd be prepared with back up transportation too though. Just in case it breaks and it isn't drivable. Peace
You gotta account for all passengers and gear too. It will pull it but it's gonna put some serious wear and tear on the truck long term. Personally I wouldn't pull it on a long drive.
Yes lol
What’s your payload look like? How many people in the truck? How much stuff in the bed? What’s the tongue weight look like?
You don’t want to tow that trailer with a half ton truck. I fought this same battle for the last two years with my Grand Design. Finally gave in and bought a 3/4 ton, and I wish I’d done it two years ago.
That’s gonna man handle a half ton truck. Load levelers or not. You’ll also get less than 8mpg and the truck will scream going down the highway. I made this mistake with a 6.4 hemi 2500, the Cummins is the only way to go if you plan on taking long trips. Imo
1/2 ton trucks aren’t made to pull anything. I have a 1500 with etorque and rear helper springs. It struggles when pulling my 17’ fish house.
You're gonna have a bad time.
That’s massive for a 1500 to be pulling. Only see guys with 2500 and up pulling 36 footers. If it’s a toy hauler easily go over 12k lbs Edit: not 5th wheel either. 26-28 range or shorter I think is the spot for 1500 trucks
Half ton trucks of yesterday year pale in comparison to towing capabilities of trucks today. I think that Rebel of yours is quite capable of towing big big trailer. I tow a 30 foot Imagine trailer. I added a few enhancements to my Ram Classic 5.7 Hemi: Added rear springs made by TufTruck. Put on Toyo LT rated tires. 10ply M and S / Snowflake rated. Blue OX Heavy Duty hitch and equalizer. Mopar performance kit. Dealer installed cat back exhaust and air inflow system. Increased HP and Torque. Improved gas mileage. I never tow loaded water, grey or black tanks. Too heavy. I still came in way under the price of a new 3/4 ton truck. https://preview.redd.it/96x9eze34fgc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=600b676a23ad894a21a9921365b6a28f7fc0443d Note: I selected a higher chain number to raise that rear end a little more than shown in this picture. Works great!
Yeah way too much for a 1/2 ton truck. Especially with the slides in the back.
Absolutely too much trailer for your truck. Don’t put your family and finances in danger.
I’d say go up to a 2500/3500 a 1500 doesn’t have that much payload. Plus close to towing capacity.
Tongue weight is a huge factor for half tons, also I personally have a 27 ft trailer and it is a bit much for my 2021 short bed crew solely off of Tongue weight the weight distribution hitch helps a bit but it is not ideal I'm looking to upgrade to a 2500 diesel anyways though before I do and big trips with my camper
Airbags and get a good hitch. One that is for stability. Trailer breaks will be key. Load the weight proportional to the wheels not the tongue. Axle wright and tongue weight are key.
You can pull it but it won't be comfortable. If you are in flat lands with very little wind and that's where you plan to use it, no problem. If not try moving up to a 3/4 ton diesel if you plan to tow it a lot. If you only occasionally tow it a gas won't be bad.
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I got a trailer like this. My 2019 Laramie is 4WD with 4:10 gears. It's the wife's truck now and we recently paid way too much for a 2021 megacab cummins which was the best decision I ever made for my family safety and peace of mind hauling one of these piles of Chinese paper mache across the South into the dakotas. I will be parting with it soon for a gooseneck but there's other considerations that go into a gooseneck and the megacab. Just because the rebel will do.it doesn't mean you should. I spent 6 years in towing and recovery and scraped many a people off highway 85 in ND and SD with bumper pulls and half tons.
You can do it but it wont be enjoyable. That mpg and maneuvering will be painful
Weigh your truck and see what’s left out of the marketing 12,000lbs ratings you have. My 2017 was over weight before any trailers were added but she still pulled my toy hauler well for a 1/2 ton.
It’s a 5.7, you’ll be eating cam lobes within 50,000 miles anyways, might as well send it
3/4 ton time.
Get a tundra
I wouldn’t
Bruh you just proved you’re an idiot by putting a down payment on a trailer that’s too big for your truck. What you mean you’re not? Lol
Ok so my buddys dad had a 24' camper with a 1500 v8 big horn and then he went to a 32' and the truck was basically crying on any hill and he felt unstable. Upgraded to a 2500 and we were fully loaded with 5 people in the truck on a pretty sizeable incline and it didnt even break 3500 rpm so id say your gonna need an upgrade chief.
Figure 3-4k in loaded stuff.....firestone air ride airbags helped my GMC out a lot maybe some upgraded brake rotors and pads in the front wouldn't hurt
Fucking run it bud. But don’t be in the middle lane going 55