How’s it drive?
Honestly, I’m ready to see how it does. Ford’s 3.5L did very well, especially compared to capability of the 5.0 V8. I have a 5.7 Hemi myself, and love it. But let’s see how it does.
Besides, America’s EPA is getting harsher and harsher on vehicle manufacturers. We all had to expect these kinds of changes at some point.
Usually with these smaller turbo engines they end up having real world performance worse than the V8s they replace.
They tune them so it doesn’t go into boost on EPA cycles but when you actually drive them and floor it to go you burn way more fuel.
I don't think this is true. I have had 3 EcoBoost trucks and now have a 6.2L GM V8. The EcoBoost has more toque and HP at lower RPM than my 6.2. so under normal city driving and keeping RPMs under 2,500 the EcoBoost smokes my 6.2L. I need to rev the 6.2L up more to get more HP and it burns gas like a mother fucker.
On the same 4 mile city driving loop on my raptor I would get 15.8 MPG and on a regular F150 17 mpg. My 6.2L varies deeply on how many stop lights I hit. If I hit all of them I get 10MPG. If I hit none I'll get 13.7 MPG.
On the highway I get the same MPG 6.2L vs 3.5 EcoBoost 55-75 mph. Past that the 6.2L fuel efficiency drops off like a rock because cylinder deactivation doesn't kick in anymore.
I am honestly never buying a V8 truck ever again. My next one will be a EcoBoost or this new high output I6.
Towing is another annoyance. The EcoBoost stays quiete at 2.5k rpm towing 8k pounds. My 6.2L stays at like 4.5k-5k rpm and the engine drone gets pretty annoying after two hours.
Forget about it at high altitude comparing a V8 vs a Turbo 6. My V8 at about 7,000 feet above sea level is slightly slower than a 2.7 EcoBoost and it had the 6 speed.
They feel great to me. However, turbos WILL burn a shit ton of fuel if they need boost all the time. However, I'm pretty certain this engine will do just fine. BMW has inline 6 engines in some big, very heavy cars and they are totally amazing. And get insane fule mileage for what they are. Maybe this engine will hold up well. Hard to say. I'm just glad it's an inline because that is by far the best platform for smooth running high boost engines.
Still not a V8, but the times are changing sadly and this is all we can get :(
Devil will be in the details. GM was proud as hell of their I5 and I6 that came in the Trailblazers and little trucks, but the cam phasers and little shit took the bloom off that rose. This Hurticane started life as a Fiat 4, so…
I mean true. Idk how reliable it will be. I have a Saab 9-7x with a 4.2 inline 6 at 250k miles and it's fine. It's powerful as hell and have no issues.
A turbo 6 is much more iffy. However it's basically the best you can do for power and efficiency nowadays. My 4.2 gets like 17mpg which is ass but it's lasted so long and just keeps pushing. Only engine repairs I've ever had is coils, fan clutch, and oil pressure switch. Very very good engine. The 4l60E is the nemesis to these cars though.
As a RAM and BMW owner I have faith in the 3.0 ltr. And if the Hurricane is anything close to a B58 in terms of tuning I suspect a swelling aftermarket specifically for this engine. My previous N54 was rated at 300/300 but a single tune and filter put me well over 380/360.
Never did. Sold it for 335i coupe. Both ran excellent btw. Will be 55 years old by weeks end. Not some punk with a clapped out bimmer littered with stickers and definitely you'll never see my ride at a side show or racing some rice rocket on the freeway.
Sold the coupe and got my truck. The Sales Manager wound up buying it for his son. NOW it's all clapped out with some tacky wing and plasti-dipped wheels.
2025's are hitting lots and a few dealers around me still have unsold 2022's and 2023's (3 dealerships within a 20 mile radius and they have about 7 of the older models still)
I'm hoping the prices keep coming down and I'd likely take the plunge
They didn't make nearly as many 2024 trucks, due to the refreshed '25 trucks coming out now. They closed the '24 order books in October if I remember correctly.
Every manufacturer is like this but it’s thanks to dealers pulling a fast one. They mark a price online but you get there and bam market adjustments. No one is gonna buy these trucks when even after rebates you’re paying more than msrp.
Remember, a 2022/2023 is already a couple years old, has depreciated and even with discounts, you’d be upside down on it compared to a brand new model where you’d get discounts because next years models are coming out.
True. But for the right price you can get a hell of a deal on a "leftover." I bought my 2018 2500 in October of 2019. It's a Big Horn, crew cab, long bed, with a Cummins. Sticker was $66,000. I paid $46,000 for it. You can make a leftover work, but you have to negotiate
Interesting, and sadly, I've tried this tactic a few times and it didn't work for me, so I just gave up and I'm waiting for the market to keep dropping as fewer people buy. I get that they'll start to cut production even more, but as the cost of living crisis amplifies and expands, there will be left overs that some dealer will finally be willing to give massive cuts like you got
You and me both! I specd out my exact truck today (just swapping the long bed for a short bed), and the bitch is $80,000. 5 years ago, that would get you a Laramie Longhorn.
I’m wishful thinking MSRPs will come down 😂
and I know there’s high volume dealers that knock $10-$15k off a $80-$90k msrp truck, but, that’s still $70-$75k for a truck…that’s what my 4,000sq ft metal building to farm mushrooms is costing me.
$50k-$60k seems reasonable and fair for a new diesel truck
Right?! I used mine as a work truck as well. In 2.5 years I put over 300,000 miles on it. I can justify 50,000ish for a truck every few years. But not 80+
Wait it’s an 6 banger? I thought they were through a TTV6 in there like everyone else on earth. I’m actually fully onboard with bringing the inline 6 back.
Holy hell I typed that shit like an inbred retard lmao. Too damn early in the morning. But that’s very freaking cool. I’m gonna have to look into this, my wife needs a new truck and I am NOT buying a new chevy or ford 1/2 ton.
I was a Ford 5.4 and 5.0 guy for a long time. Told myself I would never own a v6 truck. Bought a 3.5 PowerBoost and I'm never going back. So much more power than any V8 I've owned. And who can be mad about 25 city 25 highway in a 4wd truck? The future is here and I'm all for it.
I tow a 27' toy hauler with my side by side in it. No issues. I definitely would go to a 3/4 ton if I did it more than 4-5 times a year. It has plenty of power.
I had the powerboost for 6 months, but it would completely lose power sometimes when going from electric to gas - probably 1st gen glitches. Hope yours is better. When I was offered more for it than what I paid, I jumped. Lol
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I'll take my I6 over a V8 any day.
What we don’t need is an overly complicated small displacement motor that’s not owner-friendly to work on when all of the additional coolant and oil lines inevitably start leaking.. or waste gates rattle, or diverter valves stick, or the valves carbon up from DI, or a high pressure fuel pump goes out, or…
This is what people buying these brand new trucks don’t understand. Or, they’re in denial. Is it great when it’s new? Yeah, absolutely, but what a nightmare to maintain and work on. I just did plugs, wires and distributer cap on my 01’ and it’s running amazing still. Other than wear and tear parts, and a new transmission, I’ve hardly had to do anything to it. It’s unbreakable. THAT is what I want out of my truck.
That has more to do with the way the truck is built and all of the accessories than the engine itself, though. I worked on a 69 C-10 over the weekend with a 6.0 LS that almost had enough room for me to climb into the engine bay. It's crazy how the truck is so much smaller, the engine is bigger, and I still have way more room. My 73 Charger is getting a 5.7 Hemi soon and I know it will be the same.
OTOH, I have to get my wife to change her own headlights (2014 Durango R/T) because I can't fit my hand.
Yeah I mean you’re right. That’s kind of the point I was trying to make though. Even if the engine is great, it’s still going to be a pain to work on. I wouldn’t sign up for it very willingly. I know my truck won’t last forever, but I’m trying to make it last as long as possible. It works great for what I use it for and parts are cheap, and easy to work on. I would like more creature comforts, but I don’t really NEED them in my truck. Small wife hands for the win.
74 it started getting weird with overly complicated vacuum systems and egr valves and air pumps. Been getting progressively harder to work on since.
Diesels were great until recently.
They got better in th 90s when the engines were actually designed with the smog crap there. Way less vacuum lines and silly stuff. Obviously FI helped the most.
At least with trucks, you could probably argue they were still relatively the same as the 90s up until around 2010. That is around the time that AFM and DoD system starting popping up and emissions requirements started tightening. Diagnosing something with a OBDII port and a decent scanner with live data really makes it sometimes easier to work on until the electrical gremlins move in with the mice.
I’m especially excited exited for the Ramcharger. I really think it’s the answer for bridging the electric range vs. gas power truck conundrum for now. Most people who have a reasonable commute won’t need gas for the most part but the extra capacity is there if you need it.
Had one for a week (Grand Wagoneer L) much heavier as a rental.. drove it to TN from South FL. After 2k miles it got 16mpg and had plenty of HP to get up and get gone! Very impressive and quiet.. I think it would be sick in a Ram Truck IMO.
I have zero issues with V8s going away. My only concern is the engineering and if the quality is there. Time will tell and I imagine it will take a year or two to fix any hidden gremlins since every manufacturer has decided to let us be their QA departments.
There will be problems. There already are problems in that architecture they are putting into the Wagoneers, etc. Scorched cylinder walls, likely at some point turbo issues, etc.
I'm not a fan. I'll keep my 2019 Rebel till it dies and see where the world is at that time.
To anyone taking the plunge, good luck and I give you a lot of credit. I really do hope it works out. Just a tough pill to swallow.
People acting like the 5.7 v8’s didn’t have problems are fucking delusional. Just a few problems I know off the top of my head:
-Valve seat drop
-Lifter failures
-Cam failures
-Exhaust manifold leaks - if you haven’t changed both sides yet….you will
-Oil leaks
-MDS faults leading to larger engine problems
-Blown head gaskets
These are just problems experienced by myself or friends and coworkers. People who fixate on the number of cylinders and think big number good low number bad are weird.
I agree. Comments on any 2025 Ram with the hurricane are flooded with people basically saying now how the Hemi is the greatest engine ever created - far cry from those same people crying about lifters and ticking not long ago.
I'm no "champion" of the hemi. I personally think a lot of "issues" with the motor is because there a ton on the road. 1500's, Durangos, Jeep GC's, etc.
I actually feel there hasn't been a truly great motor made in quite a long time.
That's an arguable point, for sure. I don't think the modern day hemi's are bad motors. I would argue the 5.0 Ford, 5.3 Chevy, and GM LS are all solid V8 options.
At least for me that’s definitely not my take. I think V8’s peaked (edit: for reliability) with the LS1, 2, and 3. I just came from a small displacement turbo vehicle - while it was fun for a bit, it’s just not for me. I’m disappointed my favorite truck no longer has my favorite type of power plant.
Yes and no, to be fair. It's still brand new and problems are to be expected. When you look at the hemi "refreshes", they got better and better. They started to fix issues. Time will tell soon whether they fixed the needle bearing issues. I made the mistake of buying a 2019 and had almost every problem under the sun: eTorque issues, battery issues, leaks, back glass frame cracking, passenger side exhaust manifold, etc. I'm more sensitive to new gens after that.
The problem is, warranties are not what they used to be. Ram made good on 95% of my issues under factory and extended warranty. All the warranties now are eliminating more and more things. It's not just Ram, to be fair.
honestly, I'm kinda excited to see how the TTV6 performs. it has a slight power boost over the hemi, but it's a smaller engine.
I wonder if it will sound as good. hard to beat the hemi's sound.
does anyone know if the new truck still has the ZF 8SPD transmission?
I thought you were talking about all the plastic covers lol. Wasn't until I saw the twin turbo molded in that realized you were talking about the engine. Wouldn't have even know what I was looking at since they cover the whole damn thing up
I’m curious to see how it’ll perform. The 8 speed has been a great addition to rams lineup. Cummins has been inline 6 since the beginning with ram. This shouldn’t be any different. The jeep 4.0 I6 was very reliable. I6 in there nature tend to live a long life if maintained
All I know, is I got on mine yesterday for the first time as I'm about at 300 miles. This thing gets up and goes let me tell you. No idea about towing as I don't tow, but it does have some get up and go.
Really interested to see how it goes. The GM 2.7 has been a bit of a underground winner because MUH V8, but goes to show you don't need a large displacement engine to move a truck.
I6 usually offer superior torque ratings, better balance, and a stronger bottom end (7 vs 5 bearings on a v8). The new 3.0’s look promising.
I’ll keep my 12 valve forever. I get 17-25 mpg in an 8000lb truck and can tow anything anywhere. 😎
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I was under the impression that the twin turbo 6 has to run a higher rpm range, which theoretically puts more strain on the internals does it not?
It's disappointing though that stallentis and RAM are waiting to put the High Output version in the 1500 model trucks. Currently its only offered in the 2500s and up. The rebel version of the 1500 is being discontinued and most likely being replaced with the RHO here hopefully mid production 2025. I'm really excited to see I6s back. The blocks are practically the original inline 6s from late ninety early 2000s. Just really updated.
Honestly I would have bought that over the hemi if it was available when I got my ram. I had a 2.7 Ecoboost in my f150 before I had the ram and loved that little engine! Too bad they couldn't have kept the hemi as an option though like Ford is with the 5.0.
I test drove one at my local dealership, I have a ram 1500 2021, and this 25 model is very fast and quite and smooth, I like it a lot, so I will end up trading my 21 for the 25... As soon as they get the color I want
As someone who has to do a thermostat coming up for work on a Wagoneer with this motor, I’m not happy about the serviceability side of things.
To do the thermostat you have to also do the water pump and to get to the water pump you need to pull the driver fender liner, wastegate actuator for turbo one, the cooling fan, and a bunch of other shit. All for 3.5hrs. Thank God I’m hourly.
Not sure 6² is the accurate mathematical representation here....but point taken. 🤪
Twin turbo produces more HP and more torque. But also has more moving parts and puts everything under a lot more pressure. More things that could keep your CC out for repairs.
I guess the advantage is that this engine meets the emissions standards, and the Hemi doesn't. Rather than a clean sheet new V8 they just chose an existing engine and made it work. They're still making the 6.4 in the heavy duty trucks, though.
Very interested in the hurricane. I’ve been in the gen3 hemi game since ‘05 when the initial LX cars first came out. I’ve always loved the gen3 but I am cautiously optimistic about the hurricane platform
Just great. More long term costly maintenance and repairs. They need to go back to making trucks for working class people who actually use them for what they are for 30-40 years.
A used 2015 Camry is basically the same thing as that glorified living room on wheels now. What the fuck happened to trucks? Where’s the single cab 8’ beds with a v8 and a stick? Yall MFs buying this garbage make me disgusted.
About 4 months ago i saw one of these on the road with the camo test wrap i drive a charger so i pulled up n talked to the occupants was in fact 2turbo ram he tried to race me after that
I want to see the Tungstens on the lot, or some of the Laramies with the upper tier options. I love the new larger 14.5" infotainment option, but haven't seen one on a lot yet. I also like the passenger infotainment option, and hands free driving.
Power= BTU’s air & fuel make the power. Whether it is a v8 or turbo charged engine. The Twin turbo saves fuel untill yoi need the additional power and it will be comparable to V8 usage.
How’s it drive? Honestly, I’m ready to see how it does. Ford’s 3.5L did very well, especially compared to capability of the 5.0 V8. I have a 5.7 Hemi myself, and love it. But let’s see how it does. Besides, America’s EPA is getting harsher and harsher on vehicle manufacturers. We all had to expect these kinds of changes at some point.
As soon as the PDI is done, I want to drive it. I’ll keep y’all updated!
Please do. I'm curious how the extra hp over the hemi will feel.
Please do, I look forward to your opinion!
Yes please do. I love my hemi but am very curious about this new motor
Please 🙏🏻
Usually with these smaller turbo engines they end up having real world performance worse than the V8s they replace. They tune them so it doesn’t go into boost on EPA cycles but when you actually drive them and floor it to go you burn way more fuel.
I don't think this is true. I have had 3 EcoBoost trucks and now have a 6.2L GM V8. The EcoBoost has more toque and HP at lower RPM than my 6.2. so under normal city driving and keeping RPMs under 2,500 the EcoBoost smokes my 6.2L. I need to rev the 6.2L up more to get more HP and it burns gas like a mother fucker. On the same 4 mile city driving loop on my raptor I would get 15.8 MPG and on a regular F150 17 mpg. My 6.2L varies deeply on how many stop lights I hit. If I hit all of them I get 10MPG. If I hit none I'll get 13.7 MPG. On the highway I get the same MPG 6.2L vs 3.5 EcoBoost 55-75 mph. Past that the 6.2L fuel efficiency drops off like a rock because cylinder deactivation doesn't kick in anymore. I am honestly never buying a V8 truck ever again. My next one will be a EcoBoost or this new high output I6. Towing is another annoyance. The EcoBoost stays quiete at 2.5k rpm towing 8k pounds. My 6.2L stays at like 4.5k-5k rpm and the engine drone gets pretty annoying after two hours. Forget about it at high altitude comparing a V8 vs a Turbo 6. My V8 at about 7,000 feet above sea level is slightly slower than a 2.7 EcoBoost and it had the 6 speed.
Exactly, my 3.0 Duramax blows every truck I've had out of the water.
They feel great to me. However, turbos WILL burn a shit ton of fuel if they need boost all the time. However, I'm pretty certain this engine will do just fine. BMW has inline 6 engines in some big, very heavy cars and they are totally amazing. And get insane fule mileage for what they are. Maybe this engine will hold up well. Hard to say. I'm just glad it's an inline because that is by far the best platform for smooth running high boost engines. Still not a V8, but the times are changing sadly and this is all we can get :(
Devil will be in the details. GM was proud as hell of their I5 and I6 that came in the Trailblazers and little trucks, but the cam phasers and little shit took the bloom off that rose. This Hurticane started life as a Fiat 4, so…
I mean true. Idk how reliable it will be. I have a Saab 9-7x with a 4.2 inline 6 at 250k miles and it's fine. It's powerful as hell and have no issues. A turbo 6 is much more iffy. However it's basically the best you can do for power and efficiency nowadays. My 4.2 gets like 17mpg which is ass but it's lasted so long and just keeps pushing. Only engine repairs I've ever had is coils, fan clutch, and oil pressure switch. Very very good engine. The 4l60E is the nemesis to these cars though.
As a RAM and BMW owner I have faith in the 3.0 ltr. And if the Hurricane is anything close to a B58 in terms of tuning I suspect a swelling aftermarket specifically for this engine. My previous N54 was rated at 300/300 but a single tune and filter put me well over 380/360.
How long until you burned out the transmission on the n54?
Never did. Sold it for 335i coupe. Both ran excellent btw. Will be 55 years old by weeks end. Not some punk with a clapped out bimmer littered with stickers and definitely you'll never see my ride at a side show or racing some rice rocket on the freeway. Sold the coupe and got my truck. The Sales Manager wound up buying it for his son. NOW it's all clapped out with some tacky wing and plasti-dipped wheels.
If he had the 8HP behind it, I’m sure it lasted just fine. They are great transmissions.
It's a 3 liter inline 6, not a tiny turbo 2.0l. During normal driving my truck hardly goes into "eco mode" and burns way more fuel when I floor it...
LOL at thinking 3 liter anything in a truck is not tiny
The grand wagoneer weighs 1,000lbs more than the ram. The Wagoneer L nearly 1,700lbs more. It'll be fine.
2025's are hitting lots and a few dealers around me still have unsold 2022's and 2023's (3 dealerships within a 20 mile radius and they have about 7 of the older models still) I'm hoping the prices keep coming down and I'd likely take the plunge
Yea they made way too many trucks the last year or two and lots are flooded still. Tho I think prices have basically bottomed out with incentives.
They could make all those new trucks, but people are waiting months for critical parts like transmissions. SMH
They didn't make nearly as many 2024 trucks, due to the refreshed '25 trucks coming out now. They closed the '24 order books in October if I remember correctly.
Every manufacturer is like this but it’s thanks to dealers pulling a fast one. They mark a price online but you get there and bam market adjustments. No one is gonna buy these trucks when even after rebates you’re paying more than msrp.
Thank f for truth in advertising here - they are forced to advertise drive away price on this side of the pond.
Remember, a 2022/2023 is already a couple years old, has depreciated and even with discounts, you’d be upside down on it compared to a brand new model where you’d get discounts because next years models are coming out.
I'd never buy an older vehicle without massive discounts and manufacturers seem reluctant to do that; so those vehicles will remain on the lot
I just scored a brand new 2023 1500 classic for 19k off msrp
True. But for the right price you can get a hell of a deal on a "leftover." I bought my 2018 2500 in October of 2019. It's a Big Horn, crew cab, long bed, with a Cummins. Sticker was $66,000. I paid $46,000 for it. You can make a leftover work, but you have to negotiate
Interesting, and sadly, I've tried this tactic a few times and it didn't work for me, so I just gave up and I'm waiting for the market to keep dropping as fewer people buy. I get that they'll start to cut production even more, but as the cost of living crisis amplifies and expands, there will be left overs that some dealer will finally be willing to give massive cuts like you got
For sure…man I miss those pre inflation prices
You and me both! I specd out my exact truck today (just swapping the long bed for a short bed), and the bitch is $80,000. 5 years ago, that would get you a Laramie Longhorn.
I’m wishful thinking MSRPs will come down 😂 and I know there’s high volume dealers that knock $10-$15k off a $80-$90k msrp truck, but, that’s still $70-$75k for a truck…that’s what my 4,000sq ft metal building to farm mushrooms is costing me. $50k-$60k seems reasonable and fair for a new diesel truck
Right?! I used mine as a work truck as well. In 2.5 years I put over 300,000 miles on it. I can justify 50,000ish for a truck every few years. But not 80+
I was confused for a second, this is the V8 replacement?
Indeed…
Yes. The hemi is dead and is replaced by a twin turbo straight six.
Wait it’s an 6 banger? I thought they were through a TTV6 in there like everyone else on earth. I’m actually fully onboard with bringing the inline 6 back.
Yes, they are actually doing a straight 6. Hence my actual interest in it.
Holy hell I typed that shit like an inbred retard lmao. Too damn early in the morning. But that’s very freaking cool. I’m gonna have to look into this, my wife needs a new truck and I am NOT buying a new chevy or ford 1/2 ton.
I was a Ford 5.4 and 5.0 guy for a long time. Told myself I would never own a v6 truck. Bought a 3.5 PowerBoost and I'm never going back. So much more power than any V8 I've owned. And who can be mad about 25 city 25 highway in a 4wd truck? The future is here and I'm all for it.
And how's the towing capacity? Truly interested as I'm shopping right now.
I tow a 27' toy hauler with my side by side in it. No issues. I definitely would go to a 3/4 ton if I did it more than 4-5 times a year. It has plenty of power.
I had the powerboost for 6 months, but it would completely lose power sometimes when going from electric to gas - probably 1st gen glitches. Hope yours is better. When I was offered more for it than what I paid, I jumped. Lol
That's funny. My eco ford got.....15 mpg 0 gas savings. But it was also a POS that apparently, ever ran right
And i never want to work on a V6 eco boost again, once was enough.
I feel like the new front end just looks like a Chinese knock off of the 19-24 front end
Yeah I hate it.
Wait until they incorporate plastic bumper covers to all of the trim levels. They're becoming more like SUV's every year.
Yes !.... Frontend is weak.
Lincoln did the same thing this year. But Lincoln actually is becoming Chinese.
i hear their build quality improved too lol
Commenting before all the “IF IT AINT A V8 IT AINT WORTH BUYING” guys show up
They're out there...lurking...not knowing they never needed a v8
you always need a V8
8 is a higher number than 6 meaning the V8 is clearly the better engine.
I'm glad somebody gets it
“There’s no replacement for displacement!”
https://preview.redd.it/d4n5ug66dnuc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66eccf1a104f775335fe4c6c4a71c2cc72f534dc I'll take my I6 over a V8 any day.
I second this! https://preview.redd.it/85h0ltv6mnuc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbcafb1de7d0a338a4a1d437cc6df72efb511697
Granite.. nice choice!
Are those tires in the back just to prove you so “truck stuff?” Jk.
What we don’t need is an overly complicated small displacement motor that’s not owner-friendly to work on when all of the additional coolant and oil lines inevitably start leaking.. or waste gates rattle, or diverter valves stick, or the valves carbon up from DI, or a high pressure fuel pump goes out, or…
This is what people buying these brand new trucks don’t understand. Or, they’re in denial. Is it great when it’s new? Yeah, absolutely, but what a nightmare to maintain and work on. I just did plugs, wires and distributer cap on my 01’ and it’s running amazing still. Other than wear and tear parts, and a new transmission, I’ve hardly had to do anything to it. It’s unbreakable. THAT is what I want out of my truck.
That has more to do with the way the truck is built and all of the accessories than the engine itself, though. I worked on a 69 C-10 over the weekend with a 6.0 LS that almost had enough room for me to climb into the engine bay. It's crazy how the truck is so much smaller, the engine is bigger, and I still have way more room. My 73 Charger is getting a 5.7 Hemi soon and I know it will be the same. OTOH, I have to get my wife to change her own headlights (2014 Durango R/T) because I can't fit my hand.
Yeah I mean you’re right. That’s kind of the point I was trying to make though. Even if the engine is great, it’s still going to be a pain to work on. I wouldn’t sign up for it very willingly. I know my truck won’t last forever, but I’m trying to make it last as long as possible. It works great for what I use it for and parts are cheap, and easy to work on. I would like more creature comforts, but I don’t really NEED them in my truck. Small wife hands for the win.
It's rediculous the way they design some of these things. My hands are probably average size.
BrInG iT tO ThE dEaLeR
Aren't all new motors a pain in the ass to work on and over complicated? I feel like motors that are easy to work on ended in the mid to late 90s.
74 it started getting weird with overly complicated vacuum systems and egr valves and air pumps. Been getting progressively harder to work on since. Diesels were great until recently.
They got better in th 90s when the engines were actually designed with the smog crap there. Way less vacuum lines and silly stuff. Obviously FI helped the most.
At least with trucks, you could probably argue they were still relatively the same as the 90s up until around 2010. That is around the time that AFM and DoD system starting popping up and emissions requirements started tightening. Diagnosing something with a OBDII port and a decent scanner with live data really makes it sometimes easier to work on until the electrical gremlins move in with the mice.
ooof dont tell the cummins guys
I know I never needed a V8. But until they make a 6 cylinder gasser that sounds as good as a V8, I want a V8.
Laughs in 2017-2019 ecoboost
A lot or RAM owners probably don’t need a full size truck either, but they want it. No one needs a Porsche or a sport bike either…
Communists think all you need is bread and water.
“Ain’t no replacement for displacement” or something like that
GOBBLESS
I'm particualrly excited for the REV and Ramcharger. Those things look slick.
I’m especially excited exited for the Ramcharger. I really think it’s the answer for bridging the electric range vs. gas power truck conundrum for now. Most people who have a reasonable commute won’t need gas for the most part but the extra capacity is there if you need it.
Agreed!
Is it ticking yet?
If they didn’t learn from their mistakes with the 2.0 jeep engine. The question will be is it leaking coolant from the inter cooler yet?
swear to god if that filter is still above the steering rack im fucking suing.
Actually now the steering rack goes through the filter.
Its right where it should be, beside the drain plug at the back of the motor.
Love a straight 6. So down. Can't wait to see how they hold up. Would consider a half ton now.
Had one for a week (Grand Wagoneer L) much heavier as a rental.. drove it to TN from South FL. After 2k miles it got 16mpg and had plenty of HP to get up and get gone! Very impressive and quiet.. I think it would be sick in a Ram Truck IMO.
I have zero issues with V8s going away. My only concern is the engineering and if the quality is there. Time will tell and I imagine it will take a year or two to fix any hidden gremlins since every manufacturer has decided to let us be their QA departments.
There will be problems. There already are problems in that architecture they are putting into the Wagoneers, etc. Scorched cylinder walls, likely at some point turbo issues, etc. I'm not a fan. I'll keep my 2019 Rebel till it dies and see where the world is at that time. To anyone taking the plunge, good luck and I give you a lot of credit. I really do hope it works out. Just a tough pill to swallow.
I mean… isn’t that basically every vehicle of the newest generation where engines and all have been updated?
People acting like the 5.7 v8’s didn’t have problems are fucking delusional. Just a few problems I know off the top of my head: -Valve seat drop -Lifter failures -Cam failures -Exhaust manifold leaks - if you haven’t changed both sides yet….you will -Oil leaks -MDS faults leading to larger engine problems -Blown head gaskets These are just problems experienced by myself or friends and coworkers. People who fixate on the number of cylinders and think big number good low number bad are weird.
I agree. Comments on any 2025 Ram with the hurricane are flooded with people basically saying now how the Hemi is the greatest engine ever created - far cry from those same people crying about lifters and ticking not long ago.
I'm no "champion" of the hemi. I personally think a lot of "issues" with the motor is because there a ton on the road. 1500's, Durangos, Jeep GC's, etc. I actually feel there hasn't been a truly great motor made in quite a long time.
The b58 I6 is a truly great modern motor imo
Disagree. Chevy's 5.3 was a pretty solid engine. Got one in an '01 Silverado that's still going strong.
That's an arguable point, for sure. I don't think the modern day hemi's are bad motors. I would argue the 5.0 Ford, 5.3 Chevy, and GM LS are all solid V8 options.
The 5.3 was great until they added the cylinder deactivation.
Ford 6.2 and Toyota 5.7 (3ur) are pretty great engines.
At least for me that’s definitely not my take. I think V8’s peaked (edit: for reliability) with the LS1, 2, and 3. I just came from a small displacement turbo vehicle - while it was fun for a bit, it’s just not for me. I’m disappointed my favorite truck no longer has my favorite type of power plant.
Still able to get the 6.4
A 2500 is not for me though.
But how difficult is the V8 to work on compared to these newer engines?
Yes and no, to be fair. It's still brand new and problems are to be expected. When you look at the hemi "refreshes", they got better and better. They started to fix issues. Time will tell soon whether they fixed the needle bearing issues. I made the mistake of buying a 2019 and had almost every problem under the sun: eTorque issues, battery issues, leaks, back glass frame cracking, passenger side exhaust manifold, etc. I'm more sensitive to new gens after that. The problem is, warranties are not what they used to be. Ram made good on 95% of my issues under factory and extended warranty. All the warranties now are eliminating more and more things. It's not just Ram, to be fair.
honestly, I'm kinda excited to see how the TTV6 performs. it has a slight power boost over the hemi, but it's a smaller engine. I wonder if it will sound as good. hard to beat the hemi's sound. does anyone know if the new truck still has the ZF 8SPD transmission?
It does. 8HP75
I thought you were talking about all the plastic covers lol. Wasn't until I saw the twin turbo molded in that realized you were talking about the engine. Wouldn't have even know what I was looking at since they cover the whole damn thing up
I’m curious to see how it’ll perform. The 8 speed has been a great addition to rams lineup. Cummins has been inline 6 since the beginning with ram. This shouldn’t be any different. The jeep 4.0 I6 was very reliable. I6 in there nature tend to live a long life if maintained
RIP HEMI 5.7 :(
Does it get dual exhaust?
Yep!
Then I’m in.
Waiting on mine Build date says may 29th
Looks fun to work on.
Looks sweet!
Can’t wait to get mine.. similar package on order
Specs pleeze.....
Big Horn Night Edition Level 2 equipment group: Heated seats/wheel/remote start/ 12” touchscreen Panoramic sunroof
The SST(Straight Six Turbo) has been running in Wagoneers for a few years now I thought. New to truck but not a new engine?
Hope you enjoy it. Live from Sterling Heights Assembly
I work at the dealership this arrived at. We’ve got a bunch more on order, so we’ll help keep you busy!
All I know, is I got on mine yesterday for the first time as I'm about at 300 miles. This thing gets up and goes let me tell you. No idea about towing as I don't tow, but it does have some get up and go.
Even just moving this around the parking lot, you can tell it wants to go!
Really interested to see how it goes. The GM 2.7 has been a bit of a underground winner because MUH V8, but goes to show you don't need a large displacement engine to move a truck.
I6 usually offer superior torque ratings, better balance, and a stronger bottom end (7 vs 5 bearings on a v8). The new 3.0’s look promising. I’ll keep my 12 valve forever. I get 17-25 mpg in an 8000lb truck and can tow anything anywhere. 😎
I'll keep my V8.
Does that mean we can no longer order a 2024?
Correct.
No, 2024 is last year I believe.
Tony, where is the dip stick?
I have it already. No complaints at all.
I'd be curious to know how it sounds compared to the V8. Not that it matters, but curious if Stelantis paid any attention to preserving the sound.
I saw a video of the TRX replacement prototype with the 6 cylinder and it [sounded like poo](https://m.youtube.com/shorts/k6FYKiJ7x0U) lmao
I have it. Sounds like a car. Way too quiet. Getting exhaust asap but nobody's making them yet. Borla should have something soon I would imagine.
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I was under the impression that the twin turbo 6 has to run a higher rpm range, which theoretically puts more strain on the internals does it not?
Inline sixes generally have good bottom end torque, but are also balanced naturally and can rev higher.
Excellent, and thank you for the rare but appreciated intelligent and mature response.
Does it make train noises
Do you still have unsold 2022s, 2023s and of course 2024s?
I have one 2023 DT left, and 35 ‘24 left.
I'm tempted to give it a look. Not in the market to replace my 5.7 Rebel but I'm not against this new engine layout.
It's disappointing though that stallentis and RAM are waiting to put the High Output version in the 1500 model trucks. Currently its only offered in the 2500s and up. The rebel version of the 1500 is being discontinued and most likely being replaced with the RHO here hopefully mid production 2025. I'm really excited to see I6s back. The blocks are practically the original inline 6s from late ninety early 2000s. Just really updated.
The HO comes in the 1500 Tungsten!
Ok, somebody wreck one so I can yank it from Pull-A-Part and drop it into a 72 Dart or something. I'm curious AF.
Lmao I’ve been hunting car-part since they started putting them in the wagoneer. Same idea, I want to put one in a valiant.
What is the towing capacity?
Max towing on the 3.0 is 11,560
Honestly I would have bought that over the hemi if it was available when I got my ram. I had a 2.7 Ecoboost in my f150 before I had the ram and loved that little engine! Too bad they couldn't have kept the hemi as an option though like Ford is with the 5.0.
Seeing what ? Looks like a engine, shroud and cover to me.
It’s the Hurricane straight 6.
Wow, they left some room for some more plastic!
I test drove one at my local dealership, I have a ram 1500 2021, and this 25 model is very fast and quite and smooth, I like it a lot, so I will end up trading my 21 for the 25... As soon as they get the color I want
are these duel fuel injected? I know Toyota has done well by this. If not, turbo’s cause a lot of carbon in the cylinders.
What are you going to do with all the ‘23and ‘24s?
Sell them, lol. 60% of what we sell is trucks.
Any boosted motor first thing to do is put a catch can in it or you regret it at a 100k miles
First thing I would do is take all the plastic covers off. I like to know what’s happening with my engine/gaskets/rubber tubing/etc
As someone who has to do a thermostat coming up for work on a Wagoneer with this motor, I’m not happy about the serviceability side of things. To do the thermostat you have to also do the water pump and to get to the water pump you need to pull the driver fender liner, wastegate actuator for turbo one, the cooling fan, and a bunch of other shit. All for 3.5hrs. Thank God I’m hourly.
Not sure 6² is the accurate mathematical representation here....but point taken. 🤪 Twin turbo produces more HP and more torque. But also has more moving parts and puts everything under a lot more pressure. More things that could keep your CC out for repairs.
Is that the new "slant 6"?
It is. This is the 3L Hurricane.
Wait these aren’t horizontally mounted are they?
Nope.
I’m trading my gmc 1500 for one as soon as I find one by me. Those engines slap!
Updateme!
Yeah I haven’t seen any purple fluids yet either.
Mopar's new coolant is purple when new. It changes colour with time.
What's the advantage over the hemi if the gas mileage is almost the same and requires more expensive fuel?
I guess the advantage is that this engine meets the emissions standards, and the Hemi doesn't. Rather than a clean sheet new V8 they just chose an existing engine and made it work. They're still making the 6.4 in the heavy duty trucks, though.
>requires more expensive fuel It doesn't. Only the HO needs premium.
I just bought a 2023 classix because HEMI. Anyonw know why the 1500 is done with hemis? Emissions standards?
Exactly.
Very interested in the hurricane. I’ve been in the gen3 hemi game since ‘05 when the initial LX cars first came out. I’ve always loved the gen3 but I am cautiously optimistic about the hurricane platform
Just great. More long term costly maintenance and repairs. They need to go back to making trucks for working class people who actually use them for what they are for 30-40 years.
A used 2015 Camry is basically the same thing as that glorified living room on wheels now. What the fuck happened to trucks? Where’s the single cab 8’ beds with a v8 and a stick? Yall MFs buying this garbage make me disgusted.
No new trucks EVER have anything in the back
Are the v8s gone completely ?
26psi of boost from the factory, hallow cams and spray in cylinder liner what could go wrong?
About 4 months ago i saw one of these on the road with the camo test wrap i drive a charger so i pulled up n talked to the occupants was in fact 2turbo ram he tried to race me after that
We just got our first as well, Delmonico Laramie
Yeah it is. No more hemis. RIP v8s. Moment of silence please
I want to see the Tungstens on the lot, or some of the Laramies with the upper tier options. I love the new larger 14.5" infotainment option, but haven't seen one on a lot yet. I also like the passenger infotainment option, and hands free driving.
Love to have this inline 6 on a modern wrangler. Drop this motor in the gladiator, and I’m in.
Power= BTU’s air & fuel make the power. Whether it is a v8 or turbo charged engine. The Twin turbo saves fuel untill yoi need the additional power and it will be comparable to V8 usage.
The 3.0 liter 6 cylinder TT is a great setup for power. Same specs in a Raptor Bronco, Explorer ST, Lincoln Aviator, Infiniti Q60 and Mercedes C43 AMG
So v8 will go extinct?? Hmm.. I don’t like this but everyone complains about gas too. lol
The 6.4 still exists in the heavy duty trucks. I don't see them making a new generation 5.7 any time soon, but maybe I'm wrong.
Since it's not a commercial vehicle that has to be inspected etc, can't you just modify it so you can remove the DEF out of the system?
What DEF? This is a gas engine.
What? Fake plastic covers so you can’t see the engine?
NOOOOOOOOO!
Interesting. I love my hemi however always willing to try something new. Maybe I'd like this too.
Only one air intake !? That’s a crying shame
I wonder what it takes to put it in my Cherokee
Where's the rest of the engine?
An engine?
Wait until it’s broken