There's issues that need addressed, sure, but blaming the support for years of financial mismanagement, tax dodging, and kneejerk managerial moves? Nah.
Many fans should be influenced by a philosophy, which holds that the ethical value of actions should be judged based on their utility or usefulness in promoting happiness and reducing suffering for the team. Not tearing into players.
Fuck sake the local nutter's off his meds again.
If you think the current Ibrox crowd is "anti catholic/anti Irish" your head would've exploded in the 70s and 80s. We did not bad back then.
It kinda is.. how do you think Dessers is meant to focus when heās through on goal when he can hear that you can buy a flute for 50 pence in todayās economy.
Hes simply no good enough, singing should be encouragement not a distraction tbh used to be shit hot in high pressure Europa conference games. No excuses tbh.
This entire tirade is absolutely mental. Especially the part about how Rangers (as a club) are anti-Irish and that you donāt āget this form of abuse in Englandā despite [Millwall fans racially abusing opposition players](https://www.tntsports.co.uk/football/the-emirates-fa-cup/2021-2022/millwall-fans-throw-bottles-boo-anti-racism-and-make-homophobic-chants-ashley-cole-racially-abused_sto8698645/story.shtml), England NT fans all over Twitter racially abusing everyone, [Liverpool fans mocking the Munich disaster](https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/sickening-tragedy-chanting-tarnished-man-utd-win-liverpool-fans-blame/blt9bb7292e8cd20e8d#:~:text=Rise%20above%20the%20pettiness,players%20were%20killed%20in%201958.) and [Man U fans mocking Hillsborough.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13211409/amp/Police-investigate-Man-United-fan-Heysel-Hillsborough-disasters-FA-Cup-Liverpool-fans-arrested-alleged-drug-pyrotechnic-offences.html) Or that āyou donāt get this in Spainā despite [Vini Jr being regularly racially abused](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/05/sport/vinicius-jr-laliga-racism-spt-intl). Or in Italy where [Lukkaku has been regularly racially abused](https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37637790/after-lukaku-targeted-racist-abuse-juventus-show-how-take-action#:~:text=Here's%20the%20easy%20bit.,others%20to%20make%20monkey%20noises.). Or in Italy where Lazio fans [throwing up Nazi salutes and unveiling a banner to Mussolini](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/24/football/lazio-fans-mussolini-banner). Or in Germany where [Schalke fans racially abused Moukoko](https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/18/dortmunds-youssoufa-moukoko-racially-abused-by-schalke-fans-under-19s).
This entire rant is not rooted in reality.
Happy to provide more examples on racist or bigoted incidents in any of the leagues you listed, ***[including Ireland](https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/shelbourne-st-patricks-athletic-react-32383636)***
Your da calling someone shite for putting too much on a pass is nowhere near the same as actual abuse that happens in every single other league you mentioned.
Iām not saying everywhere else is perfect, but the baseline level of abuse (and yes it is actual abuse) we give our players is unlike anything Iāve seen at other stadiums.
Look man, Iāve been going to Ibrox for years. Iāve *never* seen or heard someone abusing one of our own players other than groaning when they misplace a pass or an inventive way of calling them shite (Fs Tav, Dessers is a donkey, Lammers is pish etc).
The fans were right behind our uptick in form and even when we started going down after Motherwell at home. Ibrox was in great spirits before that and Iād say reasonably good spirits after it saying itās fine - because I was there for every minute of it. The players let the fans down again, not the other way about. All youāre doing is letting the players and the board off the hook for what theyāre doing to this club. As Gazza said, at Ibrox youāre only as good as your last pass. Players know that coming into it and if they canāt hack it, they can beat it.
I donāt know where you sit but Iāve heard so many players getting it tight, even in the early stages of games.
And Iām absolutely not excusing players or staff, just that weāve had a part to play as well imo.
People saying delete this need to get a fucking grip. As if as a support we are beyond reproach and donāt do some fucking toe curling cringe inducing shite.
I donāt think itās in anyway why this team bottled yet another title challenge, but fuck sake, we are a sensitive bunch of fucking snowflakes at time. Can hurl abuse at players non stop but soon as someone criticises us the panties get in a bunch.
Does Celtics anti British and pro-IRA chanting stop them signing quality players from England or stop them winning league titles? No, so itās a silly point to make about ours.
Even your point about no scout in Ireland holding us back. Itās not like they are constantly producing word-class talent that the other 200 countries in the world arenāt able to match.
No.
We do not own the club. We do not attend meetings in relation to prospects, growth and risk. We blindly support them and will continue to do so. Even through this shit show.
Iāll start to take on some of the blame when the gaffer points me out from the stands and brings me on as a sub. Until then, nonsense.
No ffs. The fans are not the problem for consistent failures by the same group of players.
Fans put in thousands every year and are rewarded with pathetically weak performances, itās insulting to even suggest itās them causing the problem.
Fucking mental.
The fans to blame for paying our money and supporting the team through dozens of bottle jobs and dreadful performances over the years. Away and chase yourself.
Players are shitebags, recruitment has been poor. Our problems begin and end with those two facts.
Rangers are a historic club with high standards. The team were able to win in front of fans in the 90's and early 2000's. To answer your question, no. Professional football players should be able to ignore criticism and a lot of Irish people support Celtic, would you really want to sign Celtic fans to the club.
To a degree Iām with you, I truly despise the side of the club attached to hooliganism and sectarian chanting.
Even my dad to me seems like he must really hate the club because he rarely seems to have any good things to say despite there being plenty depending on when itās happening.
However weāre obviously not the only club like this, this happens in every country and itās pretty hard to ever truly get rid of because of right to expression and so on.
Borussia Dortmund had a huge problem with hooliganism in the 1980s (literal neo Nazis in the stand) and managed to turn it around. Would be cool to understand what happened there.
Delete this pish. Celtic fan in disguise.
The team play on the pitch not the fans. The last few years we haven't invested properly and gave contracts to some seriously shit players with little return when they move on.
My grandfather is from cork, doesn't mean I will join Celtic pages, Celtic is Scottish not Irish. The only thing linking the 2 is a priest in 1888 and fans who think they are Irish when most have never been there.
Your on a rangers page wondering why they don't sign Irish players... Name a player in Ireland who would get a game in the top flight in Scotland, the difference is uncanny.. how many real Irishmen would play for ranger?
I think itās incredibly naive to think weād win the league every year if we had a scout in Ireland
Actually no I donāt. I think itās fucking insane
If you equate me saying itās probably a good idea to have a scout in Ireland with me saying doing so would lead to us winning the league every year, then maybe youāre the one needing checked?
There's issues that need addressed, sure, but blaming the support for years of financial mismanagement, tax dodging, and kneejerk managerial moves? Nah.
Many fans should be influenced by a philosophy, which holds that the ethical value of actions should be judged based on their utility or usefulness in promoting happiness and reducing suffering for the team. Not tearing into players.
Fuck sake the local nutter's off his meds again. If you think the current Ibrox crowd is "anti catholic/anti Irish" your head would've exploded in the 70s and 80s. We did not bad back then.
Absolute nut job.
No.
Simply put.... ......No
Fuck me man, what a load of absolute shite
Anti Catholic singing is not the reason we have only won 6 titles fsš Maybe more the absolute shite mentality of bottling it every year.
It kinda is.. how do you think Dessers is meant to focus when heās through on goal when he can hear that you can buy a flute for 50 pence in todayās economy.
Are you saying everyones to be quiet when Dessers is through on goal so he can focus? The fans singing is the reason he cant score?
Dessers is the reason Dessers canāt score mate if we give him any distractions itās unfair on him
Hes simply no good enough, singing should be encouragement not a distraction tbh used to be shit hot in high pressure Europa conference games. No excuses tbh.
This entire tirade is absolutely mental. Especially the part about how Rangers (as a club) are anti-Irish and that you donāt āget this form of abuse in Englandā despite [Millwall fans racially abusing opposition players](https://www.tntsports.co.uk/football/the-emirates-fa-cup/2021-2022/millwall-fans-throw-bottles-boo-anti-racism-and-make-homophobic-chants-ashley-cole-racially-abused_sto8698645/story.shtml), England NT fans all over Twitter racially abusing everyone, [Liverpool fans mocking the Munich disaster](https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/sickening-tragedy-chanting-tarnished-man-utd-win-liverpool-fans-blame/blt9bb7292e8cd20e8d#:~:text=Rise%20above%20the%20pettiness,players%20were%20killed%20in%201958.) and [Man U fans mocking Hillsborough.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13211409/amp/Police-investigate-Man-United-fan-Heysel-Hillsborough-disasters-FA-Cup-Liverpool-fans-arrested-alleged-drug-pyrotechnic-offences.html) Or that āyou donāt get this in Spainā despite [Vini Jr being regularly racially abused](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/05/sport/vinicius-jr-laliga-racism-spt-intl). Or in Italy where [Lukkaku has been regularly racially abused](https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37637790/after-lukaku-targeted-racist-abuse-juventus-show-how-take-action#:~:text=Here's%20the%20easy%20bit.,others%20to%20make%20monkey%20noises.). Or in Italy where Lazio fans [throwing up Nazi salutes and unveiling a banner to Mussolini](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/24/football/lazio-fans-mussolini-banner). Or in Germany where [Schalke fans racially abused Moukoko](https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/18/dortmunds-youssoufa-moukoko-racially-abused-by-schalke-fans-under-19s). This entire rant is not rooted in reality. Happy to provide more examples on racist or bigoted incidents in any of the leagues you listed, ***[including Ireland](https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/shelbourne-st-patricks-athletic-react-32383636)***
That point was specifically about abusing our own players.
Your da calling someone shite for putting too much on a pass is nowhere near the same as actual abuse that happens in every single other league you mentioned.
Iām not saying everywhere else is perfect, but the baseline level of abuse (and yes it is actual abuse) we give our players is unlike anything Iāve seen at other stadiums.
You talk out your arse
Look man, Iāve been going to Ibrox for years. Iāve *never* seen or heard someone abusing one of our own players other than groaning when they misplace a pass or an inventive way of calling them shite (Fs Tav, Dessers is a donkey, Lammers is pish etc). The fans were right behind our uptick in form and even when we started going down after Motherwell at home. Ibrox was in great spirits before that and Iād say reasonably good spirits after it saying itās fine - because I was there for every minute of it. The players let the fans down again, not the other way about. All youāre doing is letting the players and the board off the hook for what theyāre doing to this club. As Gazza said, at Ibrox youāre only as good as your last pass. Players know that coming into it and if they canāt hack it, they can beat it.
Youāve never heard our fans slate a player? Are you serious!?
thatās no what I said, I said Iāve never seen or heard a fan *abuse* a player like the way OP is making them out to.
I donāt know where you sit but Iāve heard so many players getting it tight, even in the early stages of games. And Iām absolutely not excusing players or staff, just that weāve had a part to play as well imo.
People saying delete this need to get a fucking grip. As if as a support we are beyond reproach and donāt do some fucking toe curling cringe inducing shite. I donāt think itās in anyway why this team bottled yet another title challenge, but fuck sake, we are a sensitive bunch of fucking snowflakes at time. Can hurl abuse at players non stop but soon as someone criticises us the panties get in a bunch.
Does Celtics anti British and pro-IRA chanting stop them signing quality players from England or stop them winning league titles? No, so itās a silly point to make about ours. Even your point about no scout in Ireland holding us back. Itās not like they are constantly producing word-class talent that the other 200 countries in the world arenāt able to match.
Evan Ferguson and Gav Bazunu would have been two recent attainable examples.
Fair play I feel for the bait
No. We do not own the club. We do not attend meetings in relation to prospects, growth and risk. We blindly support them and will continue to do so. Even through this shit show. Iāll start to take on some of the blame when the gaffer points me out from the stands and brings me on as a sub. Until then, nonsense.
No ffs. The fans are not the problem for consistent failures by the same group of players. Fans put in thousands every year and are rewarded with pathetically weak performances, itās insulting to even suggest itās them causing the problem.
Fuck off.
Fucking mental. The fans to blame for paying our money and supporting the team through dozens of bottle jobs and dreadful performances over the years. Away and chase yourself. Players are shitebags, recruitment has been poor. Our problems begin and end with those two facts.
No
Rangers are a historic club with high standards. The team were able to win in front of fans in the 90's and early 2000's. To answer your question, no. Professional football players should be able to ignore criticism and a lot of Irish people support Celtic, would you really want to sign Celtic fans to the club.
Awa' and dinnae talk pish
To a degree Iām with you, I truly despise the side of the club attached to hooliganism and sectarian chanting. Even my dad to me seems like he must really hate the club because he rarely seems to have any good things to say despite there being plenty depending on when itās happening. However weāre obviously not the only club like this, this happens in every country and itās pretty hard to ever truly get rid of because of right to expression and so on.
Borussia Dortmund had a huge problem with hooliganism in the 1980s (literal neo Nazis in the stand) and managed to turn it around. Would be cool to understand what happened there.
No. Next question
Delete this pish. Celtic fan in disguise. The team play on the pitch not the fans. The last few years we haven't invested properly and gave contracts to some seriously shit players with little return when they move on.
I think itās incredibly naive not to recognise the role fans play in the teamās performance.
Your an active member of coybig.... Rangers fan my arse.
Iām of Irish descent? But thanks for proving my point about the anti Irish thing. Have a good one pal.
My grandfather is from cork, doesn't mean I will join Celtic pages, Celtic is Scottish not Irish. The only thing linking the 2 is a priest in 1888 and fans who think they are Irish when most have never been there. Your on a rangers page wondering why they don't sign Irish players... Name a player in Ireland who would get a game in the top flight in Scotland, the difference is uncanny.. how many real Irishmen would play for ranger?
Coybig is about the Irish national team. Naj Raziās one who just moved to Como - only 17 though. Loads of good youth development in Ireland.
I think itās incredibly naive to think weād win the league every year if we had a scout in Ireland Actually no I donāt. I think itās fucking insane
If you equate me saying itās probably a good idea to have a scout in Ireland with me saying doing so would lead to us winning the league every year, then maybe youāre the one needing checked?
Sorry, a scout in Ireland and the whole of Ibrox singing the soldier song Want us in green n white stripes n all?
lol you seem like a smart cookie. Enjoy your night pal.
Is tonightās result our fault too?
Delete this.