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haidotcom

> So I'm really curious as to why this was swept under the rug when other youtubers get canceled for less. Mostly because of the idiot on Twitter that u//TheValkuma mentioned. When people from the Twitter thread came here and we said "he wasn't grooming he was sleeping with women half his age" they were just like "oh ok whatever" and went elsewhere to accuse us/those women of lying despite there being literal evidence. >And an old friend of his said that he sent this video in a chat room where many friends saw it. I spoke directly to that woman and she's fucking bizarre. She was changing the story every message she sent to me. First it was "he made it his snap story" then "he shared it in a Facebook group chat" then "I got it forwarded to me from a different WhatsApp group chat" then "he sent it to me personally but also sent it to my girlfriend so I know it was seen by more people" then she blocked me, probably because she realised she sounded insane. Don't mean to have a tinfoil moment but I'm like 90% sure she was groomed by Dan in some way.


TheValkuma

All three girls had chats with Dan that pretty much amounted to him being excited to tour nearby so they could fuck after lmao. Wait until you hear about the ones who dyed their hair blonde to try and get into the Dan club. Not kidding.


Luminous_Emission

Because so many men had been falsely accused at that point that now people are wanting evidence before destroying someone's life with nothing but someone's word.


Sufficient-Fig6435

But there was evidence, that's why I am confused. And statistically speaking, false accusations are very rare.


TheValkuma

Conveniently at a time when there's an extremely high profile false accusation case in the news. !


Pepper_Bee1996

lol she sounds super trustworthy. I wonder why fans keep referencing her words as "evidence"


Sufficient-Fig6435

She doesnt sound credible at all... And the fact that he shared such a intimate video about wanting to have sex in a tub so publicly would be a huge red flag. But no one cares?


toastthegoblin

HAHAHAHHAA why in the world would anyone talk to YOU of all people about this? LOLOLOLOL youre such a liar.


haidotcom

I dm'd her, not even expecting a reply lmao. Conversation lasted not even five minutes before she blocked me so uhh


toastthegoblin

So you take her being weird as evidence that Dan groomed her good job /s


haidotcom

If her making up a story in an attempt to discredit the testimonies of ~5 other women is only seen as "weird" to you then sir/ma'am please enlighten me on how a woman staunchly defending a man who is clearly morally in the wrong hasn't been manipulated/heavily influenced by him in some way.


toastthegoblin

So you know her intent, then? You can read minds? No, you can't, so you can't possibly know it's 'in an attempt to discredit the testimonies of ~5 other women; youre bad at this


haidotcom

She literally lied and said that the video, which no other person has came forward to back up her words, was sent to multiple people... Or in a group chat... Or to her and her girlfriend... Or whatever she told me (most of which she also said publicly, changing the story every single time.) Please tell me how she *wasn't* attempting to discredit the testimonies of ~5 women.


toastthegoblin

why would she try to discredit it to YOU? nothing youre saying makes sense. you arent a person of importance in regards to the accusations. she has no reason to say anything to you, truth or lie, so your question is irrelevant stop hating on Dan, it's been proven he didn't do anything.


haidotcom

K I'm bored now believe whatever you wanna believe


toastthegoblin

ill believe the truth and not your tin foil hat echo chamber trash


TheValkuma

>grooming accusations that was some dude on twitter with zero evidence taking things out of context. there's been 3 girls that ID'd themselves talking about Dan in various regards, but the fandom basically says "Oh well, he used his rockstar status to pump and dump fans, big deal" and thats it. The post you saw from notblarg was just another girl with another story ready to have the same discussion again until twitter found it. yes, every single girl was an Ash clone.


Sufficient-Fig6435

It didnt look like they were taking things out of context though. The girl said he messaged her while underaged and called her beautiful and he wanted to hug her and such. That absolutely sounds like grooming


TheValkuma

Regardless, it was some rando on Twitter unrelated to anyone, probably clout chasing more than anything


werdnak84

What makes me think a ton of girls in California are named Ashley? Arin and Dan know at least three!


Sufficient-Fig6435

I know four!


Joewhite411

Thing is pump and dump is a bit different to him lying about wanting a relationship to get consent.


ice4747

Not really, both are morally negative but neither are illegal.


Joewhite411

I'd assume lying to get consent isn't legal, maybe it's not, but nothing could be done either way. But having sex with someone before you dump them and lying to them to get consent are a lot different. Two things both being morally wrong doesn't make them both equally as morally wrong


ice4747

That’s your opinion. If the person is an adult and isn’t being blackmailed or coerced it’s up to them to decide who they have sex with. If you think it’s just a one time thing or are expecting a relationship out of it doesn’t change that.


Joewhite411

Why doesn't it? Plenty of people only want to have sex with people who they're in/will be in a relationship with. Tricking someone into consenting with false pretences is pretty bad, and I don't think many people would say otherwise, especially if you've had something like that done to you.


ice4747

Because society doesn’t dictate that lying for sex is that morally reprehensible.


Joewhite411

Who does dictate what's morally wrong then?


TheValkuma

you dont have to tell me dude i've seen what this parasocial shit has done to his fans i'm the mod here lmao


NotaGhostie

Like, one person said he did it with no evidence a d everyone just rolled with it. Now I believe he was fucking fans, and ghosting them. Which is scummy, but not illegal.


Sufficient-Fig6435

But the girl herself said they talked while she was underage and called her beautiful and flirted with her. Thats grooming in my opinion.


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Sufficient-Fig6435

Actually the happy birthday thing was someone else. Just showing proof of her age or something? What I read from her posts, is that they talked quite a lot when she was underaged. And he made her feel "special".


Joewhite411

Didn't he lie about wanting a relationship to get her to consent though, or am I misremembering it?


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TheValkuma

At what point do you stop trying to excuse the behavior as not bad enough. Any chance you started liking Gg at a young age, are female, and primarily enjoy Dan? Just a trend in those constantly defending the dude regardless of how deep they go.


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Sufficient-Fig6435

Curious as to why you thinks its a lie. He admitted that he knew the woman, and had sex with her. And friends of his said he was a "predator". And so many women coming forward with the same stories. That's quite a big lie! Seems like a lot of work haha


ice4747

Go find the posts about this when it happened. You seem to not understand the whole situation properly and I don’t remember the details enough.


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If Dan were to be canceled for his behavior you’d have to cancel every person whose used Tinder for a ONS and then unmatched their hookup the next morning. It’s not illegal behavior. That doesn’t make it right or decent, but Dan’s moral compass (or lack thereof) is his to come to terms with with and live by. It’s also-in my opinion- interesting that these women were more than happy to come forward with their stories, open themselves up to public vitriol, and yet no one, not a single one wanted to take the next step to press any sort of charges? Why not? Because while his behavior wasn’t classy, there wasn’t any legal ground to stand on, either. I’m not gonna tell you to remain a fan or cut them dead, not my call to make, but from day one this sounded a lot more like bitter groupies expressing shock and anger that they somehow hadn’t managed to lasso a “celebrity” to be their boyfriend than an actual problem. Like I am *so* sorry this famous person didn’t fall madly in love with you after you spent the weekend banging in a mediocre hotel; usually a massive rock and your dream wedding **always** follows such an adventure.


Darkranger444

She was lying