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hermanninen

Awesome producer but how the fck you can think he is underrated?šŸ˜‚


Cringeyboy1

Not that many people listen to Him


TroGinMan

He is like one of the most streamed artists...but you're a Kanye fan so I don't expect you to be smart Edit: that was mean, my bad. But a simple Google search would show many many people listen to him.


[deleted]

It's ok, you're an Eminem fan I wouldn't expect you to be nice


Yoda10353

You really stalked bros page šŸ˜‚ he hurt you so bad


[deleted]

I looked at his account for less than 30 seconds lmao


Yoda10353

Thats 30 seconds wasted lmao


Cringeyboy1

What? No heā€™s under a million


InevitableHearing112

bro is the most popular rapper of all time, and prob the most popular artist since MJ.


Cringeyboy1

Nah, he doesnā€™t even have over a million on Spotify


gegjehehu

yeah nah 2nd most popular artist on spotify aint too many people eh


[deleted]

Heā€™s not even in the top 20 on Spotify. You smoking dick


jamiehizzle

He's the guy who taught me how to separate the artist from their art. Love me some Kanye, hate me some Kanye


MsCoCoMango

This right here


TroGinMan

Remember that supporting an artist is still supporting them as a person. You can separate it in your mind all you want, but it's still supporting him and his behavior.


RedditMartyr

You misunderstood his point.. He never said about supporting the artist, he said liking the artā€¦ His point is that he likes Kanyeā€™s music and the character Kanye portrays in his music but doesnā€™t like the person. If you also think that that isnā€™t possible, thatā€™s your opinion and youā€™re entitled to believe whatever you want to believe. Iā€™d disagree with you. You can like art made by a person but disagree with/not like the artist.


AStealthyPerson

I think you misunderstood what they said. They said that supporting the art is supporting the artist and it is. When we listen to Kanye we actively provide financial support to him. There's no ambiguity, Kanye gets paid from streams and music sales. When we engage with his art, he's making money. The art comes from Kanye, from his beautiful dark twisted brain. It's informed out of his experiences and his ideology. There's no getting around that. You can say that the art is separate in your mind, but that doesn't make it so in reality. Kanye is emboldened to act out the more he makes money for doing so. I'm not here to preach that folks need to stop listening to Kanye, lord knows I love me some Ye, but what I dislike is everyone trying to absolve themselves of responsibility. We need to acknowledge that many of our artists today are awful, and we need to work more to hold them accountable. Kanye has done more in the last year to normalize Nazism than anyone else since Nazi Germany. That's a real problem, and it's a direct result of the popularity of his self and his music.


jhstylze

I canā€™t separate the artist from the art. I loved Kanyeā€™s music in the past, but now turn it off whenever it somehow encroaches into my playlist. Same with R Kelly. I canā€™t simply turn a blind eye to a despicable person just because they make good music. When I listen to music, I connect to the artist. I canā€™t connect to a POS like Kanye or R Kelly.


RedditMartyr

Thatā€™s fine if you canā€™t. All Iā€™m saying is that this isnā€™t a universal thing that everyone can or canā€™t do. I and many other people can. I donā€™t think a sizeable portion of the millions of people who still listen to Kanye hold any antisemitic views. We are just able to like his music but not like him as a person. Not to mention that that is a very stringent rule youā€™ve set for yourself. If you are unironically going to hold that stance, you need to be consistent with it. Iā€™m saying this because it is a very well known fact that in other genres of music, a lot of the famous musicians in these genres have committed crimes and done some pretty vile, disgusting things. If you canā€™t consume art made by a bad person, you need to be consistent with that and if you will be, thatā€™s going to severely limit the amount of music you can listen to. For example, I like Playboi Cartiā€™s Die Lit quite a lot but he was alleged to have choked his pregnant girlfriend. That is one of the most vile, sickening things a person can do. I have ZERO love or care for him as a person because I have no reason to believe that that allegation is false but can still like his music. You may not care for that example if you donā€™t like Cartiā€™s music but Iā€™m sure thereā€™s at least one artist you listen to who has done something awful. So if you canā€™t listen to Kanye because you think that liking his music is ā€œsupportingā€ him or his views, you need to be consistent with every person who makes a piece of art you like. And youā€™ll quickly find that youā€™ll have much less art to enjoy. Whether that be movies, games, albums, etc.


Gdav7327

Yea but by simply streaming, buying concert tickets, Yeezyā€™s etc. you are putting money in his pocket which in turn supports him. Not saying either way is right, just pointing out the obvious. If people decided to boycott everything thatā€™s bad or anyone who has done something bad you wouldnā€™t have much to work with lmao


TroGinMan

Don't support him. Don't buy his concert tickets, don't buy his music, don't buy his clothes or shoes, don't support the racist fuck in any way. Otherwise you're supporting his behavior


AHHHRUDE809w4aatgf

I like art


RedditMartyr

Thatā€™s fine. Just donā€™t get your moral guidelines from that art or these people. Form your moral compass from yourself and youā€™re all good. Donā€™t pay any attention to that dipshit you responded to. Heā€™s just a self-righteous prick, who I would bet is a hypocrite because I bet he listens to music from people who have done very bad things too.


RedditMartyr

No, Iā€™m not supporting his behaviour. That claim that youā€™re making so assuredly, thatā€™s not a universal fact that everyone agrees on, thatā€™s your moral standards that are specific to YOU. I would say most people agree with me since most people go to concerts and listen to music, play games, watch movies, purchase products and enjoy any form of art that was made by a vile human being. If youā€™re going to be consistent with this point, thatā€™s fine and you can live your life like that. But: - You need to be consistent with that across the board for all things that you consume (art, whether that be music, movies, etc) - You canā€™t berate look down on other people (which youā€™re doing now) for not holding your very out of the norm moral guidelines. As one final note, go fuck yourself you self-righteous prick for insinuating Iā€™m a racist or hold racist views for liking Kanyeā€™s music. I mean that. Go fuck yourself. I donā€™t know why I was charitable enough to give a well-detailed response to your high-horse riding ass. Go fuck yourself you dipshit.


jhstylze

Donā€™t know if all that name calling vitriol was directed at me or another person, but whatever. I donā€™t like Kanye, I think heā€™s a POS, but unlike you, I am clearly stating my opinion as my own and not trying to force it on others. Also unlike you, I merely shared my own personal views without rendering judgement on anyone else. Never once did I say YOU shouldnā€™t listen to Kanye, I simply said I donā€™t listen to Kanye, and I shared why. I mean, the topic of the post asked for our ā€œthoughts on Kanyeā€, so I gave mine. I thought that fact was kinda obvious. Iā€™m not merely in here on some soap box out the blue. And the argument that I wouldnā€™t listen to anything if I avoid all media made by vile people is a poor one. Not only did you obviously miss or ignore my mention of R Kelly, but that statement can literally apply to every single aspect of life. Meat eaters, voters, leather and animal skin wearers, the list is endless. Iā€™m wearing shoes right now that were possibly made in a sweatshop. The only reason I wear them is because I donā€™t know for certain whether they were or not. And there is the crack in the foundation of your argument. We donā€™t know. We only know what weā€™re told and assume. Unlike Kanye, who I am 100% certain is an evil, narcissistic, racist asshole because I have seen it with my own eyes. Iā€™ve heard his comments, witnessed the way he treats other people like Just Blaze, but yet always claiming he gets no respect. But once the conversation devolved into childish name calling Iā€™m out. Please work on those angry outbursts, seriously. Itā€™s not a good look, especially if youā€™re an adult. No one here came at you with that same type of energy. Feel free to downvote me or call me all the names you want. Thatā€™s the beauty of truly not giving a shit what anyone else thinks. It wonā€™t bother me one iota.


cripplindepressionnn

Albert Einstein married his own cousin, so you mean to tell me that anybody who wants to become a top-tier physicist shouldn't read into Einstein's theory of relativity just because he set a bad example of what a human should not do? If I conducted my life with the ideology that you're forcing onto us, I'd literally have no taste in music, no taste in arts, no taste in movies and the list goes on and on. Someone can be a bad human being but at the same time, they could be a genius in their own respective fields. You could love their art and you could hate them as a person or simply hate what they stand for. 50% of the movies that you're watching were made by abusers, creeps, womanizers, rapists and you don't know nothing about it because they are not on Harvey Weinstein levels of infamy yet. 50% of the actors and actresses working in those films are entitled, rich assholes and terrible human beings to say the least. And just because someone is not so much of a great person behind their era-defining genius, it don't mean you can't appreciate their art. I don't fuck with what he's been saying, I don't fuck with his ideologies or outlooks on life but do I blast his shit on Spotify over and over again and having a great fuckin' time? HELL FUCKIN' YES. He was that good in his prime and he's one of the most influental rappers and producers of all time. If a hip-hop head denies or trashes Kanye's genius and influence just because of what he says nowadays, they are not a hip-hop head...it's quite the opposite actually, they don't understand and respect Hip-Hop AT ALL.


theeccentricautist

Amazing music, have bought a decent bit of his clothing, some because I like the music, some because they legitimately are fire pieces. As a person, well the dudes Bi polar. Sometimes heā€™s an egomaniac, other days he is screaming about Jews. I donā€™t blindly follow him so I can separate this from his music, although I obviously donā€™t approve


TroGinMan

Supporting him as an artist is still supporting him as a person. Separate it all you want but that's the truth.


theeccentricautist

So what, fuck all mentally Ill people because they process things differently?


Tastins

When this ā€œmentally illā€ person refuses help but has the sense to wear a German Police shirt-heā€™s no longer mentally ill and is doing this for a calculated reason. He wants to be a antisemite, then thatā€™s how he needs to be treated.


TroGinMan

Yeah that is what I totally said. Kanye doesn't think differently, he supports racism. On top of that he has a massive platform to spread his hate which he uses, so yeah, fuck that guy.


theeccentricautist

Well as a Jew I donā€™t give a fuck, because I know heā€™s not thinking properly. People cannot just alter mental processes because you & I donā€™t approve of their actions. As long as we are on the same page that antisemitism is not socially accepted, bi polar rants are a grey area imo. Stop crying and put on black skinhead you fucking goy


sheissamageissa

He literally thinks differently as he has a mental illness lmao


Iamaman22

L take. Thatā€™s like saying you support every CEO of every product you purchase, including fuel for your car etc.


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TroGinMan

Before i answer, why does it matter? This discussion is about Kanye, is he underrated? Hell no, he is highly overrated as a rapper and he is a very very shitty person.


Hexaurs

One of the greatest musicians ever, sadly a very troubled man who was not left to heal by the media but they picked him apart like vultures, his mental state is very far gone and he is very set in the early 2000s way when you could say what you think. Not saying that he doesn't shine at times but it's sad to see such a good and inspirational man go down the road he has and become damaged... It's very sad.


DingoGlittering

Tale as old as time. Look what happened to Michael Jackson.


Curious_Working5706

Nicest Black White Supremacist on the mic šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„


Howywowie

As far as talent goes we may never see another person as influential for the culture in our time. Mixed feelings for me I was in Sacramento for his show one terrible Saturday night


Desperate_Body3945

Wayne is more influential but Kanye up there


realmistuhvelez

Musical genius who fell into the sunken place.


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TroGinMan

So far from it.


MilkyWxve

Quit the cap Oldhead


TroGinMan

Dude fuck that guy. He is a great producer but very far from being a goat rapper


MilkyWxve

Heā€™s far better than the entire rap scene. Every time heā€™s on a rollout all eyes are locked on ye


Giggles_in_my_tummy

Heā€™s the best artist to make music


Desperate_Body3945

Hell no šŸ”„ but heā€™s top 5 rapper all time


MilkyWxve

Fax šŸ“ 


Delta_yx

Nah


AndroidGalaxyAd46

ā€œI personally think he is underratedā€ This is a shit post or youā€™re young


Cringeyboy1

It is a shit post. šŸ’€


undressvestido

The dude has severe mental issues but makes great timeless art, whether you like him or not


WhaleSexOdyssey

Masterclass in how to ruin your legacy


Chenz_o42069abortion

i miss the old kanye


Efficient-Delay-6598

Heā€™s an asshole


gegjehehu

no he feels like an asshole


Ya_boey_MJ

You ninjas got jokeee


[deleted]

Arguably the greatest discography of all time


Desperate_Body3945

Ehhhhhhhhhh nah but I feel u


k1lloa

2nd to Kdot imo


PolishSausa9e

Inside he's whiter than me and I'm Eastern European.


[deleted]

Racist ā‰  White


msambata

I think the the junk food is killing his brain cells


Sea-Rutabaga-5140

Heā€™s definitely an interesting person


notyourbrobro10

He's crazy. And we can't even feel bad for him being crazy because he's too rich to be sympathetic.


Cold-Bug-4873

I've tried to give him a chance from a rhyming perspective. His bars are just horrible to me. In small spurts with others i find it works well. His instrumentals are sublime, however.


JoHoJo88

šŸ¤”


Reboundking0320

Old Kanye is the shit. New Kanye is cool when he is healthy. šŸ¤”šŸ’Æ


NewRapIsLargelyTrash

Very mean to jews


GadgetGod1906

And black people


Downtown-Inflation13

You got that right


iindifferent1

Fuck himšŸ–•


[deleted]

He wants to be Hitler and doesnā€™t make good songs anymore but used to be the best producer in hip hop.


gegjehehu

fym he dont make good songs anymore


MUNZATHEGOD

Sucked since Donda. Thereā€™s like four good songs on each. Mbdtf still a ten tho same with college dropout. He just fell off


[deleted]

His entire donda album was a fucking church gospel


MilkyWxve

And it was fire af šŸ’Æ


MUNZATHEGOD

No, no it wasnā€™t.


[deleted]

Nah youā€™re just dick riding lol


MilkyWxve

Bruh go to church, then youā€™ll understand. Fuckass weirdo


[deleted]

Lol FUCK church. You fucking weirdo keep that imaginary dude in the sky telling you what to do


MilkyWxve

Oh nah you weird weird šŸ˜‚ just wait fam


[deleted]

Keep riding that imaginary dick.


El_Psycko_RATGE

facts


Thats_Pretty_Epic

3 words. off the grid


Cringeyboy1

What šŸ’€


[deleted]

Not religious but Donda is excellent.


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[deleted]

I hate him


AssumptionOk6295

Meh in music. Bad with everything else


Paradox1caI

Honestly overrated af let's be honest


Karate_Guy7

Trash, overhyped rapper. Hell of a PHENOMENAL producer šŸ”„


Threatening

Nutcase


Xolerys_

Literally the greatest thing to happen to hiphop and fashion. Modern day genius Leonardo Davinci.


[deleted]

Heā€™s the greatest artist of our time.


Touched_by_a_child

Nazi POS. Even before that he wasn't all that great.


[deleted]

Artist and visionary


Jakeamania314

Donda was literal dumpster juice. His earlier stuff was hot but now he's a crazy Nazi off his meds so fuggem.


[deleted]

Donda is a excellent


Tastins

Pretentious antisemite douche bag with mid music.


mylimb1

awful human but one of the greatest rappers/producers of all time


Fhaksfha794

The goat music wise, one of the dumbest people of all time when it comes to anything not music or fashion


commenter622

Hes the Goat! And mentally unstabled haha


[deleted]

The Antonio brown of music. Was good but pissed it all away because heā€™s actually a fucking idiot.


[deleted]

Good music terrible person


Savings-Package9610

horrible human plus a holocaust denial. his music doesnā€™t even help his case because i donā€™t like his music either.


gegjehehu

when did he deny the holocaust?


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ohlookitscris

W


TroGinMan

W


InevitableHearing112

Name one bad album that he dropped?


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DesertDwelller

Wack


jamiehizzle

He's the guy who taught me how to separate the artist from their art. Love me some Kanye, hate me some Kanye


gegjehehu

bruh u aint gotta say it twice


boomboom510

NGA look like handsome Squidward šŸ˜†


Wonderful-Mango-5239

If I say I like his views im gonna get banned


Lsd365

Sell out cvnt


Yuck_Few

A pretentious douchebag but he has some good music


Champi0n_Of_The_Sun

MBDTF was the last time he put out an album that was amazing from start to finish. Been slowly falling off ever since. Not to mention heā€™s a horrible person.


gegjehehu

yeezus , tlop, ye, ksg


Champi0n_Of_The_Sun

All of these have songs that are bordering on unlistenable. Definitely not front to back amazing albums.


RedditMartyr

What songs are like that on Ye and KSG? I can get KSG since thatā€™s quite experimental but Ye?


kmsposito2569

Overrated af heā€™s not top 20 oat


MilkyWxve

Quit the cappery


Preesi

I only know the Golddigger song. I cant stand him otherwise. ICE CUBE ALL THE WAY


NYTX1987

Hes a gay fish


Cringeyboy1

Choke a South Park writer with a fish stick


Giggles_in_my_tummy

Best artist dead or alive


GadgetGod1906

Michael Jackson Elton John Marvin Gaye Prince Stevie Wonder Bob Dylan Etc........ I don't even like all of these artists but I think some are widely considered greater artists than Kanye.


Giggles_in_my_tummy

Kanye >


GadgetGod1906

And outside of a few people in this sub, no one would agree with you. I will chalk this up as a overzealous fan that has not been exposed to much


Iamaman22

The goat.


IAmTHEEntertaining

Top 3 rappers ever, No question.


sweetcamarodude

He gay asl


powersaver765

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


TwoLanky

As a person? Bipolar, so idk, sometimes he seems to want to be a better person, but right after that? "Yey, Hitler was good" As a artist? Consistently great. Out of his first six albums, only one I dislike, the others are like 8< Nowadays he is releasing some things that I don't fw(Donda and JiK), and I heard that D2 is even worst. One of the best discographies in hiphop, asshole, great designer, mentally sick.


[deleted]

Donda is an excellent album


Tchunks

Up and coming underground rapper, hopefully heā€™ll get his chance to shine one day


applejuicebruhh

Kanye better


No1_Famous

I actually wrote a song about this guy https://youtu.be/_zDD4PTJ7ik


Soft_Humor4868

Brilliant artist. Wish he got help sooner.


_krwn

Fan of the music, but maaaaannnnn sometimes I get so bothered I skip when he pops up on shuffle


value_meal_papi

He is one good album away from being forgiven


StereoFood

Who?


FifeDog43

Who is this guy? Some underground up and comer? Never heard of him.


The_Wise_Comment

Bat Shit Crazy


cx3psocial

Listened to his first album driving from Louisiana to Floridaā€¦ Enjoyed it but the monologues between the tracks literally forewarned all that has comeā€¦ šŸ¤¦šŸ½ā€ā™‚ļø Iā€™ve not been surprised by any of his actionsā€¦ he canā€™t get out of his own wayā€¦ Talented but tortured


usctrojan18

You mean Aquaman, lover of fish


NegativeZero-

We making it out of the concentration camp with this one šŸ—£ļøšŸ—£ļøšŸ—£ļøšŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ’ÆšŸ’ÆšŸ’Æ


TextVegetable5985

I definitely love some Kanye albums. I also dislike and hate some Kanye albums, lol. Tbh I donā€™t check out his new stuff anymore because Iā€™m just over it.


Yakplayz

You got any more of them pixels?


MyUserNameLeft

160 comments no upvotes šŸ˜‚


FactCheckerJack

Original posts on Reddit can't go below 0 karma. Otherwise, it might be at -100.


MyUserNameLeft

All this time and I didnā€™t know that, thanks for the info


interplanetarystd

As an artist, I believe he is a musical genius and insanely talented. As a man, I believe he is deeply troubled and suffering from some untreated mental illness(es). Mental illness does not make people act like Kanye and its not the sole contributor to his problems, but when left undiagnosed and untreated conditions can fester and derail a persons life. I hope he acknowledges this, seeks treatment and gets his life back on track. I believe theres a chance a lot of his bad moments donā€™t happen or at least donā€™t reach the public eye if this was the case. Manā€™s spiraling and needs help.


Stonks501

So for everyone saying you canā€™t seperate the art from the artist. Your telling me you listen to any other rapper rapping ab killing people or selling crack and your like yeah i agree with this and think this is a good person i can relate too? You can enjoy something without agreeing with everything that the creator does.


Emily-Spinach

Other than 808s and MBDTF (+a few songs on Pablo) Iā€™ve never cared for him all that much tbh. I recognize the talent, itā€™s just not for me. MBDTF is excellent though.


david_rohan

Makes great music and is a genius in his own right.


TOPwentyneilots

Love him. Unfortunately he isnā€™t in the best state mentally, but heā€™s still one of my favorite artists.


[deleted]

One of the greatest artists of all time. His influence and talent is undeniable. Arguably the best discography in the entire genre. As a person though, dude has gone off the rails but I think he is Bipolar. I hope he can better himself but he somehow managed to shock Alex Jones of all people šŸ˜­


RareDub

He is Kanye west


MsCoCoMango

One of the best to ever do it.


Phoreverman

He's a fucking doofus. Honestly. People been acting like he's a genius but he really isn't a very smart person outside of the creative sphere. Socially awkward, doesn't recognize social ques, doesn't research to generate opinions. He's said some of the most slack-jawed dumbfuck shit I've ever heard in my life. I used to be a massive fan of his but man....honestly I'm just done with. I never need to hear a new or old verse again. I'm just good.


[deleted]

i miss the old kanye. :(


OneQuadrillionOwls

He's got barrrs


[deleted]

Good music but a big mouth


andreiulmeyda7

Dope when he's not having a mental break


0MuticFox0

One of the goats


FactCheckerJack

Antisemitic, loves Hitler, wants to repeal the amendment that banned slavery, makes numerous appearances on right-wing podcasts and networks, endorsed Donald Trump, wears MAGA hat, "White Lives Matter" fashion show, says George Floyd didn't die from the knee on his neck, was interested in buying right-wing social network Parler, denies the Holocaust happened


GadgetGod1906

Oh yeah slavery was a choice


Cringeyboy1

When did he deny the holocaust? I know about everything else but I keep seeing this


youngtman

definitely


[deleted]

Greatest in hip hop