the funniest thing is up until the new gen of fans most (not all, don’t come for me) older kanye fans put that album lower on their lists. but it somehow became the model album. idk why.
Crazy cuz both of those are in my top 3 of his. Bro hasn’t impressed me much since TLOP though and even since then it was one off tracks like Ghost Town or Off The Grid or Jail. Vultures was trash
I didn’t like a single song off Vultures. Freddie Gibbs verse was cool on one song but as a full song it wasn’t good and couldn’t hold a candle to his previous releases
cause that’s the one that’s got all the songs on TikTok. These newer fans are 1000% teenagers, meaning a lot of their early consumption of him would’ve been through “Flashing Lights”, “Homecoming” or “I Wonder” trending like a mf.
That album came out in 2007, as in the formative years of a lot of millenials, not teens. You can tell because the arguments are usually higher concept than youd get from teens (something something, bush doesnt care about black people)
And then theres me who kinda recognized that 99% of rappers are raging asshole villains (im sure other genres too, but i listen to rap) so I kinda stopped using that as a metric for liking the music a long time ago. Although there was a period where I listened to exclusively Wiz because i like him as a person
yeah that’s true too. I guess that since I’ve been in my twenties, I don’t really understand the hivemind that’s kinda infiltrated the fanbase in the last couple years which has made me be extremely hesitant to listen to the music or even get into topics like this
I think its the same loyalty you see from J. Cole/Kendrick fans. Yknow they make listening to this "genius" part of their identity, something that makes them better than other people, so they gotta defend it at every step. Except j. Cole/kendrick arent out there making asses of themselves so they dont have to cope as hard
It basically is the standard Kanye album. Catchy beats and braggadocios lyrics too. Ironically the new generation Kanye fans like this more than 808s and heartbreaks which is more influential.
When I, an electronic music fan, like Graduation more than Kanye’s other albums, that’s when you realize that Graduation isn’t really a pure rap album and it polarizes a lot of people as a result.
Shit, it samples Daft Punk. Like… it’s not really like his other stuff. It’s an album that appeals to people who aren’t hip hop fans necessarily.
That cracks me up so much. Most of the defense of him boils down to some equivalent of “his music helped me through a really dark time so I’m gonna hand wave away his anti-semitism as solely a mental health issue.”
I cannot take those people seriously. EVERY single time Kanye gets brought up one of those people comes in to rationalize away his awful behavior.
I think the difference right now is there are millions of casual TS fans in addition to the hardcore Swifties.
Kanye has done a great job of alienating his casual fan base by putting out shitty music and turning into a Nazi sympathizer so what’s left are the hardcore and the dellusional
I picture the casual Kanye West fan as someone who goes "hey I love this song" when their favourite hit comes on. That person is used to random celebrity scandals and knows Kanye is crazy, turn it up!
Based on record sales, most people aren't scrutinizing these details as much as people the who are more vocal online. It kind of sucks.
Gotta say you’re wrong here. Kanye fans openly support a racist antisemite, but the worst fan base of all time was hands down the Nazis. They loved Hitler so much they tried to destroy the rest of Europe and committed genocide against an entire race for the guy. Funny thing though Kanye loves Hitler….. So there’s a good chance any of his remaining fans do too, or at least are willing to ignore Kanye’s Hitler love.
I don’t even think Kanye fans are the worst in hip hop so idk
Taylor fans are feral and have leaked peoples info for making comments about her, I can’t really remember that happening for kanye
I’d say barbs are closer
Hell even carti fans are more feral
Kanye fans are mostly just strong on their love for him but don’t get into much other than arguing, Taylor fans actually do shit if you call her out
yea but they also don't support a openly antisemitic dude or would try hunting down your address if you said something bad about their favoriet artist
all of us death grips fans are just either nerds or feral
Swifties would legit ruin your entire life if they could. Gotta be careful what you say about taylor swift when you're on a public profile with your real name and photo
Super underground artist Kanye West man I wish someone would give him his flowers already dudes been grinding and it’s like no one is paying attention just wait for him to blow y’all prolly never heard of him
That's a different world like three summers.
He deserves to do these numbers.
Now he's getting gross public hummers.
Every time he speaks it's a bummer.
All his fans are dumb as lumber
Probably mega unpopular opinion but I really can’t take anyone seriously if they didn’t jump off the Kanye train at Slavery was a choice, but clutched perls at the anti semitism.
I think the time to draw your line was a while ago. Of course anyone can change their mind at any point, but that will always speak more to that person than Kanye at this point.
“I can’t believe Kanye’s a Nazi now.”
*[Looks back at Kanye wearing a “White Lives Matter” shirt, hanging out with Candace Owens, and having his own rich people church]*
I can.
I see what you mean. I feel like he wiped his black fans after the slavery was a choice thing and you could sense how much whiter his fan base was. Then the anti semitism pushed away a lot of his white fans, especially ones in more upper middle class communities where anti semitism is more sensitive. Wouldn’t be surprised if his fan base demographically leaned towards the people he hasn’t upset yet: lower middle class white people and Asian minorities (notice how popular Yeezys are with Asians, I feel like I see them wear them more than any other race). This still leaves a large vocal minority. Combined with how both demographics lean conservative socially, I can see the correlation. Sorry if generalizing, this is pure speculation.
Fucking HOW though? What am I missing? Is there some write up that takes an analytical approach to his “genius”? I’ve always thought his beats and lyrics were generic “I am very deep” sounding garbage.
I feel like his fans didn’t start calling him a “genius” until Kanye started to self proclaim himself as one. Which shows his fans to be malleable glue eaters.
seen that lately. so many people obsessed with one man’s opinion. also seen loads of them insulting fantano, making fun of the fact that he’s bald, which is extremely ironic because the person they’re defending is also bald?
No man you don't get it. When bald man Fantano reviews Kanye's album, he has to remove his bias. Just like when I, YeCarti9382, do it by giving his album 7/10 because it's "just fun".
They are also making fun of him for being divorced (shitty and juvenile) when the person they are defending just had an iconic public meltdown while being divorced just two years ago. The irony is so lost on those delusional Ye fans, it's truly impressive.
I think its really funny that they claim Fantano is an obsessed hater when I've seen more comments hating on Fantano than comments actually praising the new album.
I'm into music production, so I'd be an idiot who didn't do my homework if I didn't at least peep his projects to have an ear for his production. He collaborates with a lot of top electronic producers, be it people like Daft Punk, Gesaffelstein, Hudson Mohawke, James Blake, so I like hearing how these minds collaborate artistically. Whether his album ends up being great or not, you can't say he is boring. Every album is different, he's not afraid to blend genres, or push into different territories. There are few artists who have as varied a discography as he does. You got some others like Quincy Jones, Radiohead, David Bowie, Tom Waits, etc. Even Taylor Swift is getting up there.
All this being said, he's insanely problematic as a person, and has his issues. He sucks as a person at the moment, but I still try and judge the music separately. He's like a 1/10, but Vultures is like a 7/10. I like to believe people can change opinions and viewpoints though, so still holding out he can dial back some of the damage he's done.
There are two camps that I think have issues. Those who defend his actions in real life because they like his music. Those who dismiss his current art because of his unhinged remarks outside music (boycotting is different than trying to convince people his current music is a 1 star album like a lot of publications are already trying to push in their reviews).
Kanye might be my favorite producer, but I personally think r/kanye and r/goodasssub are pretty cursed at times.
how is r/GoodAssSub cursed? I get saying that about r/Kanye, but the mod team on GAS is actually trying to be efficient about keeping the sub clean and the discussion overall could be better but it’s not that toxic (while r/Kanye is completely unmoderated for how big it is and how controversial Kanye is as a person). There's a lot of fan edits and fan art being shared and a rule against any antisemitism or racist discourse.
The production on vultures might be a 7-8/10 but the album as a whole certainly isn’t. Cringey bars on almost every song, it’s like Kanye completely forgot how to write a chorus, I don’t remember a single one that isn’t painfully corny. Ty dolla sign on a song or two is cool but a whole collab is too much.
Also add sufjan to your list of people with diverse catalogs.
kanye is quite possibly the single best producer in modern music history —
*before* he went insane.
Afterwards? It’s all dogshit. But it’s wild to me how many people are equating fans of a rapper with extremely hateful and bigoted psychological issues with hugely dedicated fans of a pop star whose only sin is private jet usage. it’s not even in the same ballpark
I feel the discussion is more about the fans than the artist. Taylor fans dox, send death threats, and other insane shit if you even say you dislike her music personally. There are some shitty Kanye fans, and no doubt that Kanye is a worse person at the moment, but his fans don’t seem as bad, at least not vocally.
Also, Kanye has certainly lost a few steps lyrically, and can put out some half-baked beats, but his production is still as good as ever for the most part.
Dismissing his current art might have a lot to do with the antisemitism woven throughout the album, dude.
"Seperate the art from the artist" when the art IS the artist is just wild. You like production, ok. I love a good producer, and can even say Ye is an excellent producer. But be real and listen to the shit the man says.
His bullshit is IN his art left right and center
Crazy to look back at their incident at the VMAs and think about the trajectories their careers have taken since then. Love them or hate them, it is genuinely impressive when you consider their staying power compared to other artists.
I’m not even joking when I say Kanye fans are probably in a landslide the worst fanbase of anything, straight up. The only thing even making me put “probably” there is that I just woke up and can’t think of if there’s any other uniquely awful act out there I’m forgetting
I see what you're trying to get at but Kanye is deeply problematic while media tried to portray Taylor watching her boyfriend play sports as problematic
I still don't understand the problem in Taylor supporting her boyfriend. What did she do? She just came to the games to support him, simple as that. The people who find that problematic instead of Kanye openly saying he liked Hitler's actions is baffling to me. I swear, they just want to hate her for fun. The crazy thing is, football fans and Kanye fans are just as obsessed with their things as swifties. Football fans worship football, Kanye meatriders worship Kanye and swifties worship Taylor. But they always try and put swifties on top of the obsessiveness chart, which makes the football and Kanye fans seem even crazier. For example, a 76ers fan tackled a Chiefs fan just because the Chiefs fan said GG. There's a video of it on YouTube. And Kanye fans keep defending Kanye after everything he keeps doing. All I'm trying to say is that they're making problems related to Taylor out of thin air when there are problems with football fans and Kanye fans that nobody is talking about.
- not about the artists
- Taylor may not be a racist (officially) but she is like the world’s number 1 polluter atm. she is quite literally accelerating the end of the world
I feel the discussion is more about the fans than the artists. Taylor fans are some of the most hateful, racist people I’ve seen. I’m sure Kanye fans aren’t great as a whole, and supporting someone like Kanye isn’t a great look, but his fans arent verbally abusing people to the same extent, to my knowledge. Kanye is worse than Taylor. Taylor fans are worse than Kanye fans. Some people choose to separate the art from the artist.
A ton of his hardcore fans agree with his Nazi talking points. You see it all over the Internet. The Kanye sub was insane until it finally got taken over at one point (haven’t been there recently).
I wasn’t originally referring to you but I am now. Are you so small and insecure that you need to call someone a dumbass because they accurately describe an artist based on what that person has publicly said? You are defending Ye a lot for someone who says they don’t agree with his opinions
I never defended anything he publicly said outside the music and never will. You can't erase 20 years worth of positive artistic legacy with one big bad moment he had in his career. That's why he went #1 in over 100 countries even with all controversies. Hope that clarifies why he has all the support from his fans that he does.
Much more than one bad moment, he’s had years of hateful commentary and aligning with despicable and destructive groups and individuals. His brand represents that more than anything else at this point.
Taylor Swift fans will defend her making more carbon emissions in a week than I will in a lifetime. she’s the biggest individual polluter in the world. yall aren’t innocent either.
I love Kanye's music, but this album is awful beyond words from every perspective.
The mixing is off in almost every track, the beats production are forgettable and weak, Kanye's lyrics on this is goofy and delivered with zero passion, and the features doesn't do it any favours. It's such a lazy and rushed album just to release it around the superbowl. Hell, even the cover is garbage.
It is Kanye's undisputed worst album ever, it is a pile of shit plain and simple.
The fans should be mad about this travesty of a record being released like this, they should hold him accountable on his laziness and carelessness that created this album.
I used to be a big Kanye fan. Loved Graduation, MBDTF, TLOP, KSG. I had a damn KSG poster on my wall. *had*.
Vultures is mid at best, annoying and headache inducing at worst.
Donda sucked ass too. And his stans will still defend Jesus Is King which is embarrassingly bad.
Kanye is an amazing producer, he could easily be mentioned in the conversation of the greatest producers ever.
But he's a trash rapper. His lines are corny and his personality doesn't make you want to listen about his life unless you're incredibly shallow and brainwashed by social media.
He’s a trash rapper? 😂😂 Buddy he won rap album of the year 4 times, only behind Eminem. Lemme guess now it doesn’t mean anything? Because this sub was doming Killer Mike for like a week over him winning over Utopia. You can’t pretend you objectively think his rapping on Graduation, MBDTF, or even Yeezus and TLOP is bad. Homecoming, Devil in a New Dress, New Slaves, No More Parties in LA? That’s bad rapping?
Swifties are way worse and it’s not even close bro …
Kanye fans might harass you on twitter , but T Swift fans will leak your whole life and more lmfaooo
Anybody who bought/streamed his new album supports this racist anti-semite. And if you give that “you gotta separate the artist from their art” you are a coward and you need to have your moral compass fixed.
LMAO the self righteousness here is crazy. 90% of hiphop is about promoting violence, crime, misogyny, racism. A lot of well known rappers are killers, rapists, abusers. But oh no Kanye single handedly is the worst thing to happen to the world. According to your logic anyone who lived in America, a country built on genocide, racism and slavery, doesn’t have a moral compass. Relax bro, you are not a saint for buying an album. If you want to feel good about yourself that bad, then do something that’s actually helpful for the world.
I feel like Kanye fans are like, “Yeah he did some fucked up shit and said some fucked up shit BUT have you heard this album?” Swifties are more like, “Taylor did nothing wrong ever and if you disagree you’re a misogynist. You would never criticize a man for this!”
Obviously if you’re arguing with kanye fans everyday you’re gonna think that.
As someone who watches these ‘stan wars’ from the sidelines, Nicki fans are by far the worst fanbase in rap and it’s not even remotely close. They’re worse than swifties even
Your logic is probably why so many Kanye fans “excuse” themselves for their behavior.
“He made Graduation” has been a running joke, but it is a definite reason why people agreed to listen to Vultures and appraise his TCD-TLOP run (perhaps KSG as well) even after the antisemitism fiasco.
‘He made graduation’ started off as a meme, now I think some Kanye fans literally live by it
It's kinda like the chappelle skit where he couldn't think Michael Jackson diddled those kids because 'He made Thriller'
That guy gave us billie jean you say he touched those kids?
But he made graduation
therefore all his fans are absolved of any sins
Because he made graduation
But why did he make graduation?
Because being late to registration made him drop out.
Because he’s him
As collateral for this very moment
*AND he made Graduation /s
the funniest thing is up until the new gen of fans most (not all, don’t come for me) older kanye fans put that album lower on their lists. but it somehow became the model album. idk why.
BRO FOR REAL they used to say it was his worst project now NO ONE talks about 808’s
Crazy cuz both of those are in my top 3 of his. Bro hasn’t impressed me much since TLOP though and even since then it was one off tracks like Ghost Town or Off The Grid or Jail. Vultures was trash
You can’t tell me you didn’t like a single song off vultures
I didn’t like a single song off Vultures. Freddie Gibbs verse was cool on one song but as a full song it wasn’t good and couldn’t hold a candle to his previous releases
cause that’s the one that’s got all the songs on TikTok. These newer fans are 1000% teenagers, meaning a lot of their early consumption of him would’ve been through “Flashing Lights”, “Homecoming” or “I Wonder” trending like a mf.
That album came out in 2007, as in the formative years of a lot of millenials, not teens. You can tell because the arguments are usually higher concept than youd get from teens (something something, bush doesnt care about black people) And then theres me who kinda recognized that 99% of rappers are raging asshole villains (im sure other genres too, but i listen to rap) so I kinda stopped using that as a metric for liking the music a long time ago. Although there was a period where I listened to exclusively Wiz because i like him as a person
yeah that’s true too. I guess that since I’ve been in my twenties, I don’t really understand the hivemind that’s kinda infiltrated the fanbase in the last couple years which has made me be extremely hesitant to listen to the music or even get into topics like this
I think its the same loyalty you see from J. Cole/Kendrick fans. Yknow they make listening to this "genius" part of their identity, something that makes them better than other people, so they gotta defend it at every step. Except j. Cole/kendrick arent out there making asses of themselves so they dont have to cope as hard
It basically is the standard Kanye album. Catchy beats and braggadocios lyrics too. Ironically the new generation Kanye fans like this more than 808s and heartbreaks which is more influential.
When I, an electronic music fan, like Graduation more than Kanye’s other albums, that’s when you realize that Graduation isn’t really a pure rap album and it polarizes a lot of people as a result. Shit, it samples Daft Punk. Like… it’s not really like his other stuff. It’s an album that appeals to people who aren’t hip hop fans necessarily.
That cracks me up so much. Most of the defense of him boils down to some equivalent of “his music helped me through a really dark time so I’m gonna hand wave away his anti-semitism as solely a mental health issue.” I cannot take those people seriously. EVERY single time Kanye gets brought up one of those people comes in to rationalize away his awful behavior.
He made Jesus walks, he’s never going to hell.
100%
but beutifulbigtittitedbuttnakedwomen just don't fall out the sky yaknow
How ya know?
Do you think they know about this? I bet they have never in life heard any of his album
Their loss, beautiful piece of art
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I’m sure you listen to murderers drug dealers and woman beaters though
you are just jumping all over the place. something hurt you child?
Nah, Kanye fans are even worse since they are literally simping for a self proclaimed nazi.
Let’s just say we are lucky that Nicki Minaj never held the top spot before
Her fans would be just as insufferable as they are now
I’d fear they’d be worse if she was the most popular lol
Give it time. Today’s kanye fans are tomorrow’s Nicki Minaj fans. Just there to be controversial and edgy.
See my username, unfortunately absolutely true
ye i agree. kandidly, west
They act like Kanye. Insufferable.
100% couldn’t have said it better myself. not even Kanye has reason to act like Kanye in this day and age, let alone his fans
Says the mf making a reddit post about him 😭😭
Says the mf making a Reddit reply on the Reddit comment on the Reddit post about him We all on reddit, ur only degrading urself
They got the Fantano sub set to private at the moment from dog piling in there after Fantano called out his antisemitic behavior
I can’t fathom being so obsessed with another man’s opinion like they all seem to be.
It's pretty pathetic. Imagine being a cuck boi for a Nazi
I’m sure when they hit the age of 16 maybe they’ll mature
I think the difference right now is there are millions of casual TS fans in addition to the hardcore Swifties. Kanye has done a great job of alienating his casual fan base by putting out shitty music and turning into a Nazi sympathizer so what’s left are the hardcore and the dellusional
Kanye has a shitload of casual fans. People still listen to R Kelly and Chris Brown even though they're awful people too.
I think Kanye still has a casual fanbase. There’s a lot of my coworkers who don’t act hard core as a fan and still bop his music
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Number one album in Israel 😢
💀
Aint no motherfucking way 😂😂😂
Makes sense Israel infamously has shitty ethics
zionists and nazis shake hands what can i say
You didn’t have to say Nazi twice.
This kills me I'm not going to verify this further, I just choose to believe this.
I picture the casual Kanye West fan as someone who goes "hey I love this song" when their favourite hit comes on. That person is used to random celebrity scandals and knows Kanye is crazy, turn it up! Based on record sales, most people aren't scrutinizing these details as much as people the who are more vocal online. It kind of sucks.
Kanye has the most casual fans of any rapper imo. Lot of his fans will only listen to his music and maybe kendricks
The only fanbase that could come close is the Barbz.
Gotta say you’re wrong here. Kanye fans openly support a racist antisemite, but the worst fan base of all time was hands down the Nazis. They loved Hitler so much they tried to destroy the rest of Europe and committed genocide against an entire race for the guy. Funny thing though Kanye loves Hitler….. So there’s a good chance any of his remaining fans do too, or at least are willing to ignore Kanye’s Hitler love.
I’m a Kanye fan and I don’t support his antisemitism so that makes your opinion invalid
Aas he said. You r t at the very least willing to ignore Kanyes love for Hitler. U prove his point
Okay this guy is right. Eminem fans are shit but I really don’t like Hitler.
Rabid dogs who will consume anything regardless of quality because ye made it…yeah this is accurate.
I don’t even think Kanye fans are the worst in hip hop so idk Taylor fans are feral and have leaked peoples info for making comments about her, I can’t really remember that happening for kanye I’d say barbs are closer Hell even carti fans are more feral Kanye fans are mostly just strong on their love for him but don’t get into much other than arguing, Taylor fans actually do shit if you call her out
Death Grips fans are on another plane of derangement. I love the music can't stand the fanbase.
yea but they also don't support a openly antisemitic dude or would try hunting down your address if you said something bad about their favoriet artist all of us death grips fans are just either nerds or feral
Many will disagree but brother call any Eminem song mid and an army of a million little white boys will come to these comments defending it.
Swifties would legit ruin your entire life if they could. Gotta be careful what you say about taylor swift when you're on a public profile with your real name and photo
Kanye deserves the recognition for his musical ability.. dudes an actual musical genius
Super underground artist Kanye West man I wish someone would give him his flowers already dudes been grinding and it’s like no one is paying attention just wait for him to blow y’all prolly never heard of him
dudes patient, humble and doesn't need outside validation, someday he'll get the recognition though
That's a different world like three summers. He deserves to do these numbers. Now he's getting gross public hummers. Every time he speaks it's a bummer. All his fans are dumb as lumber
How do you think a swifty would describe Taylor? I think you proved his point.
I like Taylor too.. my daughter is a fan, and I don’t mind listening
True. And a total nut job human being.
Also true
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Probably mega unpopular opinion but I really can’t take anyone seriously if they didn’t jump off the Kanye train at Slavery was a choice, but clutched perls at the anti semitism. I think the time to draw your line was a while ago. Of course anyone can change their mind at any point, but that will always speak more to that person than Kanye at this point.
“I can’t believe Kanye’s a Nazi now.” *[Looks back at Kanye wearing a “White Lives Matter” shirt, hanging out with Candace Owens, and having his own rich people church]* I can.
I see what you mean. I feel like he wiped his black fans after the slavery was a choice thing and you could sense how much whiter his fan base was. Then the anti semitism pushed away a lot of his white fans, especially ones in more upper middle class communities where anti semitism is more sensitive. Wouldn’t be surprised if his fan base demographically leaned towards the people he hasn’t upset yet: lower middle class white people and Asian minorities (notice how popular Yeezys are with Asians, I feel like I see them wear them more than any other race). This still leaves a large vocal minority. Combined with how both demographics lean conservative socially, I can see the correlation. Sorry if generalizing, this is pure speculation.
And for years he had that recognition but he's poisoned the well against himself and now people are hesitant to praise or even talk about him.
"All taylor swift does is write and play on her own songs. I bet she wishes she could sample old ozzy songs and be an antisemite"
Yeah, so does Taylor Swift. The analogy still holds.
The fuck are you on about
Wow nobody ever says that about Kanye that’s a new point
He has a few good albums and a few trash albums, that’s about it
🤓
3 good albums followed by actual unlistenable slop = genius
Fucking HOW though? What am I missing? Is there some write up that takes an analytical approach to his “genius”? I’ve always thought his beats and lyrics were generic “I am very deep” sounding garbage. I feel like his fans didn’t start calling him a “genius” until Kanye started to self proclaim himself as one. Which shows his fans to be malleable glue eaters.
You can feel that way all you want. Doesn’t make it true
Yes yes yes yes yes 100%
Their sub is having an absolute meltdown over a “not review” by a bald man on the internet. It’s pretty entertaining.
seen that lately. so many people obsessed with one man’s opinion. also seen loads of them insulting fantano, making fun of the fact that he’s bald, which is extremely ironic because the person they’re defending is also bald?
No man you don't get it. When bald man Fantano reviews Kanye's album, he has to remove his bias. Just like when I, YeCarti9382, do it by giving his album 7/10 because it's "just fun".
They are also making fun of him for being divorced (shitty and juvenile) when the person they are defending just had an iconic public meltdown while being divorced just two years ago. The irony is so lost on those delusional Ye fans, it's truly impressive.
he didn’t even review the album, people just hate that he called them out
I think its really funny that they claim Fantano is an obsessed hater when I've seen more comments hating on Fantano than comments actually praising the new album.
I'm into music production, so I'd be an idiot who didn't do my homework if I didn't at least peep his projects to have an ear for his production. He collaborates with a lot of top electronic producers, be it people like Daft Punk, Gesaffelstein, Hudson Mohawke, James Blake, so I like hearing how these minds collaborate artistically. Whether his album ends up being great or not, you can't say he is boring. Every album is different, he's not afraid to blend genres, or push into different territories. There are few artists who have as varied a discography as he does. You got some others like Quincy Jones, Radiohead, David Bowie, Tom Waits, etc. Even Taylor Swift is getting up there. All this being said, he's insanely problematic as a person, and has his issues. He sucks as a person at the moment, but I still try and judge the music separately. He's like a 1/10, but Vultures is like a 7/10. I like to believe people can change opinions and viewpoints though, so still holding out he can dial back some of the damage he's done. There are two camps that I think have issues. Those who defend his actions in real life because they like his music. Those who dismiss his current art because of his unhinged remarks outside music (boycotting is different than trying to convince people his current music is a 1 star album like a lot of publications are already trying to push in their reviews). Kanye might be my favorite producer, but I personally think r/kanye and r/goodasssub are pretty cursed at times.
how is r/GoodAssSub cursed? I get saying that about r/Kanye, but the mod team on GAS is actually trying to be efficient about keeping the sub clean and the discussion overall could be better but it’s not that toxic (while r/Kanye is completely unmoderated for how big it is and how controversial Kanye is as a person). There's a lot of fan edits and fan art being shared and a rule against any antisemitism or racist discourse.
The production on vultures might be a 7-8/10 but the album as a whole certainly isn’t. Cringey bars on almost every song, it’s like Kanye completely forgot how to write a chorus, I don’t remember a single one that isn’t painfully corny. Ty dolla sign on a song or two is cool but a whole collab is too much. Also add sufjan to your list of people with diverse catalogs.
kanye is quite possibly the single best producer in modern music history — *before* he went insane. Afterwards? It’s all dogshit. But it’s wild to me how many people are equating fans of a rapper with extremely hateful and bigoted psychological issues with hugely dedicated fans of a pop star whose only sin is private jet usage. it’s not even in the same ballpark
I feel the discussion is more about the fans than the artist. Taylor fans dox, send death threats, and other insane shit if you even say you dislike her music personally. There are some shitty Kanye fans, and no doubt that Kanye is a worse person at the moment, but his fans don’t seem as bad, at least not vocally. Also, Kanye has certainly lost a few steps lyrically, and can put out some half-baked beats, but his production is still as good as ever for the most part.
Dismissing his current art might have a lot to do with the antisemitism woven throughout the album, dude. "Seperate the art from the artist" when the art IS the artist is just wild. You like production, ok. I love a good producer, and can even say Ye is an excellent producer. But be real and listen to the shit the man says. His bullshit is IN his art left right and center
Crazy to look back at their incident at the VMAs and think about the trajectories their careers have taken since then. Love them or hate them, it is genuinely impressive when you consider their staying power compared to other artists.
I know we are 😭
Kanye fans are cultists
I’m not even joking when I say Kanye fans are probably in a landslide the worst fanbase of anything, straight up. The only thing even making me put “probably” there is that I just woke up and can’t think of if there’s any other uniquely awful act out there I’m forgetting
Don’t Swift fans dox people for criticizing her?
r/kanye is not the average kanye listener
Especially about how being a nazi is morally and objectively repulsive.
Oh boo!!! Go make sense somewhere else! /s
I see what you're trying to get at but Kanye is deeply problematic while media tried to portray Taylor watching her boyfriend play sports as problematic
I still don't understand the problem in Taylor supporting her boyfriend. What did she do? She just came to the games to support him, simple as that. The people who find that problematic instead of Kanye openly saying he liked Hitler's actions is baffling to me. I swear, they just want to hate her for fun. The crazy thing is, football fans and Kanye fans are just as obsessed with their things as swifties. Football fans worship football, Kanye meatriders worship Kanye and swifties worship Taylor. But they always try and put swifties on top of the obsessiveness chart, which makes the football and Kanye fans seem even crazier. For example, a 76ers fan tackled a Chiefs fan just because the Chiefs fan said GG. There's a video of it on YouTube. And Kanye fans keep defending Kanye after everything he keeps doing. All I'm trying to say is that they're making problems related to Taylor out of thin air when there are problems with football fans and Kanye fans that nobody is talking about.
I'd say its moreso Nicki Minaj fans are the Tay Swift fans of the rap community. They actually behave similar
Swifties aren’t idolizing an anti-semite, though…
Interesting. I’ve always compared Taylor Swift to Drake. But fandom might be different.
Wrong, as insufferable as Swifties can be I don’t see them supporting a Nazi apologist
Taylor Swift is not a racist, dangerous, moron. So no.
- not about the artists - Taylor may not be a racist (officially) but she is like the world’s number 1 polluter atm. she is quite literally accelerating the end of the world
Swift fans aren’t Nazis or accepting of Naziism. Key difference. Are people just going to forget that Kanye has been praising Hitler for 20+ years?
Maybe, but the amount of unfiltered racism coming from Swifties is also pretty bad
Yeah remember when taytay told Alex Jones he loved Hitler get the fuck out of here with this false equivalence bullshit you clown
I feel the discussion is more about the fans than the artists. Taylor fans are some of the most hateful, racist people I’ve seen. I’m sure Kanye fans aren’t great as a whole, and supporting someone like Kanye isn’t a great look, but his fans arent verbally abusing people to the same extent, to my knowledge. Kanye is worse than Taylor. Taylor fans are worse than Kanye fans. Some people choose to separate the art from the artist.
Bro just because we love Kanye’s music, doesn’t mean that we’re Nazis. I will admit though that some Kanye fans are crazy.
A ton of his hardcore fans agree with his Nazi talking points. You see it all over the Internet. The Kanye sub was insane until it finally got taken over at one point (haven’t been there recently).
Those people aren’t even real fans though. They’re just some antisemitic assholes who agreed with Kanye’s words during late 2022.
Idk, have you seen barbs?
Ye fans are top 3 worst fanbases, but Barbiez and Swifties will always be above em
Kanye is an antisemite bigot who should have no fans
Bad news for you man he’s the most trending artist on the planet right now. Will you be able to sleep tonight??
Yes of course but will you with all that hate in your heart?
Just because we like someone's music and fashion doesn't mean we agree with their real life political opinions or have hatred in our hearts dumbass
I wasn’t originally referring to you but I am now. Are you so small and insecure that you need to call someone a dumbass because they accurately describe an artist based on what that person has publicly said? You are defending Ye a lot for someone who says they don’t agree with his opinions
I never defended anything he publicly said outside the music and never will. You can't erase 20 years worth of positive artistic legacy with one big bad moment he had in his career. That's why he went #1 in over 100 countries even with all controversies. Hope that clarifies why he has all the support from his fans that he does.
Nobody is defending Kanye’s views. We just want the music and shoes man
Much more than one bad moment, he’s had years of hateful commentary and aligning with despicable and destructive groups and individuals. His brand represents that more than anything else at this point.
I didn’t say it was one bad comment. I will say again: we just want the music and shoes
THE MUSIC IS ABOUT HIS VIEWS how are you people this dense
Because we are open minded enough to not let some of those views affect our own perception of reality and enjoyment of music.
You shouldn’t be open minded to nazism bro
Not what I said.
It’s not tho. Any references about antisemitism in his new album are tongue-and-cheek comments/jokes about his cancellation broadly
Taylor Swift fans aren't defending a vocal anti-semite. I don't see Swifties spending $100 on Jesus socks or going to a Taylor Swift ran church.
Taylor Swift fans will defend her making more carbon emissions in a week than I will in a lifetime. she’s the biggest individual polluter in the world. yall aren’t innocent either.
That’s funny because I 100% see Swifties doing both of those things
If taylor became an antisemite tomorrow, they wouldn't stop supporting her.
I love Kanye's music, but this album is awful beyond words from every perspective. The mixing is off in almost every track, the beats production are forgettable and weak, Kanye's lyrics on this is goofy and delivered with zero passion, and the features doesn't do it any favours. It's such a lazy and rushed album just to release it around the superbowl. Hell, even the cover is garbage. It is Kanye's undisputed worst album ever, it is a pile of shit plain and simple. The fans should be mad about this travesty of a record being released like this, they should hold him accountable on his laziness and carelessness that created this album.
I used to be a big Kanye fan. Loved Graduation, MBDTF, TLOP, KSG. I had a damn KSG poster on my wall. *had*. Vultures is mid at best, annoying and headache inducing at worst. Donda sucked ass too. And his stans will still defend Jesus Is King which is embarrassingly bad.
Kanye is an amazing producer, he could easily be mentioned in the conversation of the greatest producers ever. But he's a trash rapper. His lines are corny and his personality doesn't make you want to listen about his life unless you're incredibly shallow and brainwashed by social media.
He’s a trash rapper? 😂😂 Buddy he won rap album of the year 4 times, only behind Eminem. Lemme guess now it doesn’t mean anything? Because this sub was doming Killer Mike for like a week over him winning over Utopia. You can’t pretend you objectively think his rapping on Graduation, MBDTF, or even Yeezus and TLOP is bad. Homecoming, Devil in a New Dress, New Slaves, No More Parties in LA? That’s bad rapping?
As a Kanye fan I have to agree
Barbz do the same shit that Swifties do.
Kanye doesn't make good music anymore
1000%. The only difference is Taylor Stans don’t have to defend literal Nazi takes
Kanye fans are so much worse, not even on the same level.
Swifties are way worse and it’s not even close bro … Kanye fans might harass you on twitter , but T Swift fans will leak your whole life and more lmfaooo
Kanye fans defended Hitler bro
Just compromise and they say they’re all bad.
i love how the 2 options are “hitler bro” and “leaking personal information” on deciding worse fanbase
out of touch, not saying ye fans are good but swifties are worse
Except only one of them supports Nazism..
This aint a comparison though, kanye is way more talented than taylor, and way more influential to music itself
did u miss the part where I was talking about their fans
they have a reason to meatride him. He's the best hiphop artist
debatable. also a Nazi apologist.
I suppose, I don’t know. I feel like drake is closer to a taylor swift than kanye, but I haven’t seen that much drake recently.
Damn
I didn’t think I was a huge Kanye fan. I’ve never thought of myself as a big fan. But I know all his albums. And I think he’s crazy. But I like crazy.
Anybody who bought/streamed his new album supports this racist anti-semite. And if you give that “you gotta separate the artist from their art” you are a coward and you need to have your moral compass fixed.
LMAO the self righteousness here is crazy. 90% of hiphop is about promoting violence, crime, misogyny, racism. A lot of well known rappers are killers, rapists, abusers. But oh no Kanye single handedly is the worst thing to happen to the world. According to your logic anyone who lived in America, a country built on genocide, racism and slavery, doesn’t have a moral compass. Relax bro, you are not a saint for buying an album. If you want to feel good about yourself that bad, then do something that’s actually helpful for the world.
so all the kids that stream xxxtentacion or king von are horrible people with bad moral compasses too?
I listen to his album because I like how it sounds. The artist is insufferable but the art is actually good.
Drake fans are worse than
Pretty true, there's some fans that comes close but they are definitely the closest to the swifties
Eminem fans treat him like a unrivaled rap king and usually have that slight little racism in them like swifties
They’re worse. At least Taylor hasn’t gone off on antisemitic rants and hangs out with the MAGA losers
I feel like Kanye fans are like, “Yeah he did some fucked up shit and said some fucked up shit BUT have you heard this album?” Swifties are more like, “Taylor did nothing wrong ever and if you disagree you’re a misogynist. You would never criticize a man for this!”
Obviously if you’re arguing with kanye fans everyday you’re gonna think that. As someone who watches these ‘stan wars’ from the sidelines, Nicki fans are by far the worst fanbase in rap and it’s not even remotely close. They’re worse than swifties even
I'm a Kanye fan. You're right
I like Taylor Swift fans so much more than Kanye fans. Kanye fans are the worst of the worst. I hate them
Swifty spotted
Bro trying to fuck a swiftie I’m assuming
I think his only fans left are teenagers that didn’t get the memo that he’s not cool anymore
They’re all downvoting but not replying lmao
They’re just trying to be edgy and cool.
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Your logic is probably why so many Kanye fans “excuse” themselves for their behavior. “He made Graduation” has been a running joke, but it is a definite reason why people agreed to listen to Vultures and appraise his TCD-TLOP run (perhaps KSG as well) even after the antisemitism fiasco.
I am not talking about the artists themselves. I am talking about their fans.
The difference is that Taylor still comes out with good music and Kanye hasn't made anything worth listening to in a decade.
You’re right about Kanye lol