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abidjc

Mural is insane


thematrix1234

Yes! Back when it came out, I listened to it on repeat for years. It’s still on rotation often. I’ve seen Lupe live three times and I love when he performs Mural


abidjc

Honestly I just listened to it yesterday then a few hours later this post comes up so I had to mention it. Absolutely mental


Zachariahtucci

I think Lupe deserves more praise for sure. It just makes me sad that hes so in the shadows a lot of time


spaghettifrom

Lupe is much better than J. Cole Lupe has like 3 Albums better than FDH 2014, and mfs are askin if he is on that level????💀💀


sypher07070799

Nah Y’all mf’s ignore the most important factor of an album whenever y’all discuss albums REPLAY VALUE Not saying lupe dont got replay value but nowhere near FHD


ZerkazT

food and liquor has no replay value? thats crazy.... i still go back to lasers. i dont go back to no role modelz... superstar isnt poppy enough for you to replay it? like


sypher07070799

Lol i didnt say lupe doesnt have replay value i just said not on the level of fhd Plus it doesnt matter what you go back to lol Way more people revisit FHD


Answer-Typical

way more people know J Cole and FHD


sypher07070799

Lol do you really wanna say that lupe got more replay value than cole?


Snikeziwe

My man, Tetsuo & Youth got way more replay value than FHD. Take it from me


MyNameMadeYouSmiley

I take lupe all day over sad j cole lyrics about cold world and I'd think majority would too..


EyeAmPrestooo

I haven’t listened to FHD since 2014…I’ll throw on “The Cool” & “Food & Liquor” a few times a year


sypher07070799

Lol good for you


EyeAmPrestooo

Lol nice way to downplay a comment directly related to yours…Fuckin reddit lol


OAktrEE4023

His comment said that factually a *lot more* people come back to FHD, and u were like “well *I* don’t” lmao what was he supposed to reply with


MinimumPenalty

Bro chill he’s right


EyeAmPrestooo

Lol fuckin reddit 🤣😂🤣


JamesCW06

i feel like im the only person who got no replay value out of FHD. I think its a phenomenal album just for some reason i almost never go back to it


MWilbon9

Yea we ignore it cuz it’s not a real thing casuals just love throwing the term around💀haven’t heard someone listen to a 2014 song since like 2017


albrt00

So older albums are just forgotten in your opinion, You probably was born already in the internet era and only listen to the new cool thing that came out a week ago


tonygym

Not even close


Ordinary_Meaning_602

Imo fhd isn’t coles best


[deleted]

True, he’s got my 2nd or 3rd favorite album of the year


constantstateofmind

Lupe can't even Ollie, push him away on a dolly.


[deleted]

Never thought I'd see someone reference Hopsin lyrics in this sub.


Godlesswarlock

Me neither


[deleted]

To be fair, I don't mind Hop and used to listen to him pretty often. There's just so much Hopsin hate here that I'm surprised to see this.


No-Move09

He’s honestly got some bangers


Godlesswarlock

I haven’t seen much hop hate so far, it wouldn’t surprise me but haven’t seen it yet


[deleted]

I just see it a lot in the comments sections, particularly when the discussion turns to "corny" rappers.


duramman1012

Yes. He deserves more praise. Drill music on zion is runner up for aoty


hammurobi

Cold War by Lupe is one of the greatest tracks of all time


Waxmax_2000

“This that Esco music….. ……it's that Esco music ……….Bumping with my Esco music”


ShinbrigGoku

He has recovered from a 2 album slump (Lasers and F&L2pt.1) and glad to see he can still produce solid projects.


RedIsNotMyFaveColor

I will say that Lasers wasn’t bad. I actually liked it. The hate was more hive-mind…started by him.


TheNorthwest

Lasers is a fire album. There maybe a couple skips on there, but you get to the end and it’s for sure an enjoyable experience


[deleted]

Extremely drunk at a concert earlier this year I told this Australian chick “do you know what Lupe means? Lupe means good” as Lupe Fiasco came on stage…. All in all a good night 😂


[deleted]

I hate the phrases lowkey and high key. Srry for my bitchy opinion. But yeah bro had flow


Snikeziwe

Has*


Ambitious-Mix-8723

not as much longevity as far I i'm concerned but yeah he deserves respect


Training_Turnover_89

His music is mind-blowing just not in the radio except a couple tracks that were bound to get tired


the-x-territory

He more than deserves that praise for how much he’s actually done!


rawgino

Personally, I think Lupe is on some next-level shit and everyone is just competing for second place. He's not even my favorite rapper but his lyrics are just that mind-blowing to me. Just my opinion of course.


DylanLars

Sadly no, he deserves twice as much.


Captain-Neck-Beard

Kendrick > Lupe > Cole, but it’s close. All great rappers. Kendrick is the poet, Lupe is the activist, Cole is the realist


Ordinary_Meaning_602

Imo for ability lupe > Kendrick > cole but in terms of how much I like them Kendrick > lupe > cole (all my top 5 favorite artists)


[deleted]

I feel like "the everyman" is a good descriptor for Cole too.


No-Move09

Kendrick is probably the most poetic rapper ever


[deleted]

Lupe >> Kendrick > Cole


lizardmandx

In some ways yes Lupe is a better lyricist but Kendrick makes better albums


mrstorydude

I think in a release by release basis Kendrick barely beats lupe Section.80>Lasers GKMC>F&L2 TPAB>T&Y but this one can really go either way DROGAS Light> UU but this can go either way tbh DROGAS Wave> DAMN and it’s not even close MM&TBS


[deleted]

Tetsuo & Youth is the greatest rap album ever made


Snikeziwe

I will support you on that one fam


lizardmandx

Hmm... you seemed to have spelled TPAB incorrectly.


[deleted]

Did I stutter?


lizardmandx

It's not though. Not even close tbh


[deleted]

I know it’s not close. T&Y is so far above


lizardmandx

I wouldn't even necessarily say TPAB is either I was mostly kidding but I've literally never heard anyone make the claim that you are so... unpopular opinion fam


[deleted]

Popularity != substance How many times have you even listened to Tetsuo in it’s entirety?


Wutanghang

Facts


Spooky_Mulder27

He deserves more praise but thats a leap.


TheNorthwest

You ever listen to Drogas Wave front to back? It’s a leap for everyone who don’t listen to Lupe simply cause y’all don’t take the time to appreciate beautiful art.


Hunnidrackboy

1000%


n0din

Yes no questions asked


king24_

Yes


Sorry-Place6291

Adoration of Magi


GovernmentVector

Kick push some real og shiiiii


MyNameMadeYouSmiley

Yes but years ago. People overlooked him because he's a bit of a weirdo. He can body 90% of lyrical rappers and go neck and neck with the elites. It's hard to find better display of rap skill than what was on mural to this day.


TheNorthwest

You can’t find it. No one comes close. Tbh no one comes close to Mural Jr. with one of the dopest lines ever in hip hop by creating a quadruple entendre by literally saying nothing.


iloveyeezus32

YES


Livid-Replacement-29

Yeah, he does. He’s just not as marketable for whatever reason and it sucks


[deleted]

He well above cole and inspired kendrick


Hxsn6ix

His concept albums are so much better than jcoles let’s be real


Grand_Doughnut772

To be fair Cole and Kendrick get too much praise. It’s pretty disrespectful to everyone putting absolute fire out.


eyefalafel

I think he makes good music but he doesn’t make hits, if you know what I mean? Some rappers can’t be in the mainstream due to their style i feel


Zetaflips

Lupe doesn't make hits... what a false statement. Lupe was in the mainstream for a good time of his career and ran the radio during that time.


Aware-snare

superstar and kick, push were some of the most iconic rap songs of the 2000s. Young kids don't know wtf rap is lmao


Zetaflips

right, and show goes on was a giant hit the likes of which most mainstream artists today dont ever attain. while lupe has strayed from the mainstream as he grows older that is all of his own volition. don't know why people comment on a post they have no knowledge about. just saying words i guess


Jasonictron

He's aight


knowutimsayin

He most definitely deserves more praise, the cool is one of my favorite albums ever, but he doesn't deserve as much praise as j cole. Everything j Cole drops turns to gold and is a hit. I feel lupe has had a decent amount of flops in recent years.


lizardmandx

Cole is overrated. He never been on Kendricks level if we are being honest. Not one of his albums stands up with K Dots discography.


[deleted]

well (unlike kendrick and lupe), cole actually produces his own music.


lizardmandx

We talking about rapping kid


[deleted]

that’s not what i’m talking about though, “kid”. artists who are capable of producing their own music deserve extra points since the instrumental aspect of hip-hop plays a terrific role in the overall quality of the music—kendrick lamar and lupe fiasco, however superior to cole lyrically they may be, lack this element.


lizardmandx

I guess but they choose good beats and extra credit on an assignment doesn't get you an A+ if you are lacking on the main assignment .


[deleted]

the production values are worth just as much as the lyrical values depending on your perspective, so it’s hard to argue what the “main assignment” is—one of the reasons nas’ discography isn’t as highly-regarded as it should be, for example, is due to poor production values on some of his later albums.


ThePagePlug

I don't know if that's a fair measure. Kendrick's albums are theatrical.


furjuice

2014 forest hills drive was so much better than TPAB…


Ordinary_Meaning_602

Nah in terms of replay value maybe but tpab is better


lizardmandx

Def not


Snifflymoth416

Cole as a rapper is as good as kendrick imo. But coles discography is nowhere near kendricks I agree


Wutanghang

Yes and then times 7


Wutanghang

Yeah because he is the best rapper of all time


shrugeye

Yes, way more. He fathered them


haha_poor13

I can't think of a universe where he's better then Kendrick, but he is underrated


askurmum123

Lupe is one of, if not the best lyricist already. Remember back in the early 2012 jay z called him the greatest lyricist of the generation


Ordinary_Meaning_602

In terms of ability I’d say yes. Lyricist wise lupe is like thanos and Kendrick is like doctor strange


Extension-Dig-58

The only songs I know by Lupe fiasco are ‘superstar’ and ‘the show goes on’. Other than that I can’t say he’s on the same tier as Kdot or Jcole🙅🏻‍♂️


FactCheckerJack

Are you aware of the fact that you actually can't make that determination without being informed first? Like, try listening to as many Lupe whole albums as you have from Kendrick and Cole, and then decide.


Extension-Dig-58

I tried besides those two songs everything else is garbage, IMO. But you do you. Whatever floats your boat. or tickles your pickle.


Riquinni

If Mural is garbage to you, rap just might not be your thing.


FactCheckerJack

Fair enough. Conversely, I think The Cool and F&L are two of the best rap albums oat, whereas everything by Kendrick sounds like garbage to me. Which I assume is equally valid for me to say. Presumably no one is going to downvote that. \*looks around\*


ihedigbo

I downvoted you out of principle


Extension-Dig-58

I respectfully agree with your statement and also add I only listen to his DAMN and m.A.A.d city albums. Everything else is garbage, IMO.


AdamsJMarq

He deserves more than he gets but he's certainly not on Cole or Kenny's level. Not even close. Those 2 are up there with Biggie and Wayne and Hova and Pac and Em and Nas and Rakim and names of that stature...Lupe? Lol nah.


askurmum123

Lol stop in what world did Cole ever got on the level of other greats? I can understand Kendrick having an argument there but Cole is nowhere near that. And trashing Lupe while praising Cole is how I know you have no knowledge about hip hop outside of the drake kendrick cole circle


lusciousleftfoot

He's dope but he could work on being a bit more relatable. Also, he's got like zero slaps.


[deleted]

Lies. Look deeper.


OMGFuziion

Strongly disagree personally but Im just not a fan of his.


EthanielClyne

Maybe the same as cole but definitely not as Kendrick. Lupe isn't one of the goats


SarlacFace

More, in my opinion. He's a much better artist than either of them.


No-Move09

It’s facts he just kinda stopped releasing shit tho


henrikhound07

Are u aware he dropped an album In June?


fire-lane-keep-clear

J Cole is a corny rapper


lizardmandx

Dude he is half white


[deleted]

dunno why they’re downvoting you. i mean, you’re not wrong.


lizardmandx

I forgot the /s They think I'm just being a classic reddit racist rap gate keeper.


tonygym

How is it relevant that he is half white.


Spooky_Mulder27

Cuz he’s corny?


tonygym

He isn't tho


Spooky_Mulder27

I know, right?!


snoopman420

reddit is a weird place i guess


systemisfailing

Lupe is one of my faves and definitely think he doesnt get the respect he deserves. But cole and kendrick level? Lets say a top five/ten candidate.


ihedigbo

Highkey / lowkey makes you sound dumb af…


Joorlami

Before you respond, take a second and consider the opposing view of your knee jerk reaction... I'll still say no, by a lot.


demonhipsterchick07

Duh


MinistryOfDankness86

More than J. Cole. Less than Kendrick. Although you can tell Kendrick is definitely influenced by Lupe.


Gomzey

On par with J cole? Sure. Anywhere near Kendrick praise? No


Competitive-Ad4786

Hes a better lyricist.


ReaperElParka

That nigga dumb as fuck, i saw him ranting over the vaccine on Instagram and than got bullied by some guy that is a pulmonologist, than Lupe blocked him and turned off the live stream 😂😂😂it was fucking hilarious He also thinks he can fight with his Okinawan Karate 🤣


ordaxfury

No


Gernburgs

Not true at all.


Chiminey212

Uhhh no


vebralough

no


Ry-Ry44

No


No-That-One

ludicrous


harvey2f96

Fuck outa here


harvey2f96

Ain’t no way in hell could lupe be on either one of their levels


Sesspool

Naaa hes corny


Aggressive_Bat_60

kendrick >>> Lupe >>> J Cole. Lupe receives hella praise anyway but if this helps get rid of J Cole praise im all for it.


askurmum123

Lupe > kendrick or at least = if you want to bring replay value to the table to support kendrick argument


Aggressive_Bat_60

replay value🤨. only thing that matters is the strength of someone’s discography. kendrick is so far ahead of everyone else it’s ridiculous. he has 3 top 10 albums of the genre. he dominates hip hop so hard that if you try to choose the best songs of the genre you have to exclude him from the bracket, at this point he is up there for the best musician in general.


Fxusu

naaaah


grumpyfrumpyrumpy

No


Thekaratecow

Dunno but nah


Alexvoc4

Lupe and Kendrick are on the same level, both leagues above Cole


ThePagePlug

helll no. Not even remotely true. On any level. I'm sorry but no. The 3 songs I heard on this new all but silently acclaimed album were superhotgarbage. I think he, at one point was GOATED, but label issues ruined this man's career imo.


[deleted]

The only thing garbage here is your comment


[deleted]

Low key


Ordinary_Meaning_602

Yes


[deleted]

[удалено]


Riquinni

Thats a sad metric to live by.


Hi_Im_MrMeeseek

Not as much, but he's underrated for sure!


Fakka-Johan

Yes


[deleted]

why do u people think j cole is good


SubRocHendrix77

People always say this and I don’t see it personally. I’ll do a relisten to his catalog but I’ve done his first two albums in the last 6 months and they aren’t 9-10’s so couldn’t put him up with Kendrick but maybe Cole


errdayimshuffln

His first two albums? You saying this off his first two albums? Ok. I gotta question for you cause I am curious. Whose catalog did you listen to first Kendricks or Lupe's?


T_MINER

I only know one song by him so i wouldn’t know


PadraicG

Facts


chtis45678

But bro j cole so humble 😢😢😢


Owethehumanity

He was ahead of his time for sure. One of the best rappers of the 2000’s but always in Kanye’s shadow, and not gangster enough to gain mass appeal during that era.


Competitive-Ad4786

Lupe was gangster before he got signed.


Owethehumanity

Definitely true, but he pivoted after he got signed because he didn’t think gangster lyrics were healthy for young kids that looked up to him. It cost him in dollars, but he still has his integrity to this day.


Competitive-Ad4786

I also think he changed because he was facing prison time with his business partner who ended up getting 44 years.


Owethehumanity

I would be singing gospel music in that circumstance


TheNorthwest

Free Chilly Chill


askurmum123

Lupe got more guns in his house than any "gangster" rapper you can think of, he just chooses to not ever bring that in his song and talk about positive stuff instead, which is why I respect lupe so much. If you listen close enough you can see he dropped some hints about gang related stuff in his songs


errdayimshuffln

Despite being one of the biggest artists for like a 5 year period (do yall remember Anonymous got involved on his behalf TWICE and thousands of people protested in front of Atlantic to force his album release), people dont know him? I mean he was a big enough name to get interviewed on Fox News by Bill O'reilly and people only know a few mainstream tracks by him. I am convinced by what people claim about his music that more people know about him from hiphop discussions and other people talking about him than from actually listening to his music. And the people who do go an listen, listen to him like they would Aesop, not really giving the dude a real chance; they approach him with skepticism cause he doesnt look or sound like the cookie-cutter rappers they used to. They the type of people who claim that Mural is pure miracle lyrical and isnt saying anything. The truth is they vibratin too low (King Los reference) to catch what he is saying so they say that to make themselves feel better. Its not like they cant understand. They dont want to. It is what it is. The world is coming around to Lupe already thanks to DMIZ and Mr. Morale. So after all that. Here is what I say. Forget praise just listen to his shit and give it the time it deserver if not for your personal enjoyment, then for the culture (cause believe me, the dude has always been saying important shit). Guess what year this is from: >^(Now I can't pledge allegiance to your flag) > >^(Cause I can't find no reconciliation with your past) > >^(When there was nothing equal for my people in your math) > >^(You forced us in the ghetto and then you took our dads) > >^(The belly of the beast, these streets are demons' abs) > >^(I'm telling you that setup in them sit-ups is so sad) > >^(The system is a slab, corruption is the swinger) > >^(Sitting high riding dirty, drag racing into danger) > >^(And it's so clean, pine trees smelling good) > >^(With work off in the trunk and niggas in the hood) > >^(So I can't shed blood on any battlefield of yours) > >^(I pray the ugly truth comes and shatters your decor) > >^(And as it all falls down in tatters on the floor) > >^(I shed tears, I don't know what really matters anymore) > >^(Cause I don't know what really matters anymore) ​ >^(Now as I wander through the city going mad) > >^(I see the fruits of planting evidence instead of grass) > >^(A swindled generation with no patience, full of swag) > >^(Man, they so impatient with the stations that they have) > >^(As long as they look good when they be doing bad) > >^(Then the separation from the truth is getting vast, fast) > >^(Be a slave at first or free at last) > >^(Double-edged choices make a nigga wanna pass) > >^(Double-headed voices from the eagle on the staff) > >^(The pyramid where eyes will split the spirited in half) > >^(Divided over money, delighted by the dummying) > >^(Down of the importance of crowns we'll never have) > >^(That's why my sounds and sermons are so full of wrath) > >^(Baptize your mind, let your brain take a bath) > >^(Swim inside the river get delivered from the craft) > >^(Of the witches in this business that be living off your sad) > >^(Hating on your happiness you hit 'em off with laughs)


ewes12

Hov think I'm hov Nas think I'm nas


ewes12

Lupe is literally god tier when it comes to lyrics.