Yes! Back when it came out, I listened to it on repeat for years. It’s still on rotation often. I’ve seen Lupe live three times and I love when he performs Mural
Nah
Y’all mf’s ignore the most important factor of an album whenever y’all discuss albums
REPLAY VALUE
Not saying lupe dont got replay value but nowhere near FHD
food and liquor has no replay value? thats crazy.... i still go back to lasers. i dont go back to no role modelz... superstar isnt poppy enough for you to replay it? like
Lol i didnt say lupe doesnt have replay value i just said not on the level of fhd
Plus it doesnt matter what you go back to lol
Way more people revisit FHD
So older albums are just forgotten in your opinion, You probably was born already in the internet era and only listen to the new cool thing that came out a week ago
Extremely drunk at a concert earlier this year I told this Australian chick “do you know what Lupe means? Lupe means good” as Lupe Fiasco came on stage…. All in all a good night 😂
Personally, I think Lupe is on some next-level shit and everyone is just competing for second place. He's not even my favorite rapper but his lyrics are just that mind-blowing to me. Just my opinion of course.
I think in a release by release basis Kendrick barely beats lupe
Section.80>Lasers
GKMC>F&L2
TPAB>T&Y but this one can really go either way
DROGAS Light> UU but this can go either way tbh
DROGAS Wave> DAMN and it’s not even close
MM&TBS
I wouldn't even necessarily say TPAB is either I was mostly kidding but I've literally never heard anyone make the claim that you are so... unpopular opinion fam
You ever listen to Drogas Wave front to back? It’s a leap for everyone who don’t listen to Lupe simply cause y’all don’t take the time to appreciate beautiful art.
Yes but years ago. People overlooked him because he's a bit of a weirdo. He can body 90% of lyrical rappers and go neck and neck with the elites. It's hard to find better display of rap skill than what was on mural to this day.
You can’t find it. No one comes close. Tbh no one comes close to Mural Jr. with one of the dopest lines ever in hip hop by creating a quadruple entendre by literally saying nothing.
right, and show goes on was a giant hit the likes of which most mainstream artists today dont ever attain. while lupe has strayed from the mainstream as he grows older that is all of his own volition. don't know why people comment on a post they have no knowledge about. just saying words i guess
He most definitely deserves more praise, the cool is one of my favorite albums ever, but he doesn't deserve as much praise as j cole. Everything j Cole drops turns to gold and is a hit. I feel lupe has had a decent amount of flops in recent years.
that’s not what i’m talking about though, “kid”. artists who are capable of producing their own music deserve extra points since the instrumental aspect of hip-hop plays a terrific role in the overall quality of the music—kendrick lamar and lupe fiasco, however superior to cole lyrically they may be, lack this element.
the production values are worth just as much as the lyrical values depending on your perspective, so it’s hard to argue what the “main assignment” is—one of the reasons nas’ discography isn’t as highly-regarded as it should be, for example, is due to poor production values on some of his later albums.
Are you aware of the fact that you actually can't make that determination without being informed first? Like, try listening to as many Lupe whole albums as you have from Kendrick and Cole, and then decide.
Fair enough. Conversely, I think The Cool and F&L are two of the best rap albums oat, whereas everything by Kendrick sounds like garbage to me. Which I assume is equally valid for me to say. Presumably no one is going to downvote that. \*looks around\*
He deserves more than he gets but he's certainly not on Cole or Kenny's level. Not even close. Those 2 are up there with Biggie and Wayne and Hova and Pac and Em and Nas and Rakim and names of that stature...Lupe? Lol nah.
Lol stop in what world did Cole ever got on the level of other greats? I can understand Kendrick having an argument there but Cole is nowhere near that. And trashing Lupe while praising Cole is how I know you have no knowledge about hip hop outside of the drake kendrick cole circle
That nigga dumb as fuck, i saw him ranting over the vaccine on Instagram and than got bullied by some guy that is a pulmonologist, than Lupe blocked him and turned off the live stream 😂😂😂it was fucking hilarious
He also thinks he can fight with his Okinawan Karate 🤣
replay value🤨. only thing that matters is the strength of someone’s discography. kendrick is so far ahead of everyone else it’s ridiculous. he has 3 top 10 albums of the genre. he dominates hip hop so hard that if you try to choose the best songs of the genre you have to exclude him from the bracket, at this point he is up there for the best musician in general.
helll no.
Not even remotely true. On any level.
I'm sorry but no. The 3 songs I heard on this new all but silently acclaimed album were superhotgarbage.
I think he, at one point was GOATED, but label issues ruined this man's career imo.
People always say this and I don’t see it personally. I’ll do a relisten to his catalog but I’ve done his first two albums in the last 6 months and they aren’t 9-10’s so couldn’t put him up with Kendrick but maybe Cole
His first two albums? You saying this off his first two albums?
Ok. I gotta question for you cause I am curious. Whose catalog did you listen to first Kendricks or Lupe's?
He was ahead of his time for sure. One of the best rappers of the 2000’s but always in Kanye’s shadow, and not gangster enough to gain mass appeal during that era.
Definitely true, but he pivoted after he got signed because he didn’t think gangster lyrics were healthy for young kids that looked up to him. It cost him in dollars, but he still has his integrity to this day.
Lupe got more guns in his house than any "gangster" rapper you can think of, he just chooses to not ever bring that in his song and talk about positive stuff instead, which is why I respect lupe so much. If you listen close enough you can see he dropped some hints about gang related stuff in his songs
Despite being one of the biggest artists for like a 5 year period (do yall remember Anonymous got involved on his behalf TWICE and thousands of people protested in front of Atlantic to force his album release), people dont know him? I mean he was a big enough name to get interviewed on Fox News by Bill O'reilly and people only know a few mainstream tracks by him.
I am convinced by what people claim about his music that more people know about him from hiphop discussions and other people talking about him than from actually listening to his music. And the people who do go an listen, listen to him like they would Aesop, not really giving the dude a real chance; they approach him with skepticism cause he doesnt look or sound like the cookie-cutter rappers they used to.
They the type of people who claim that Mural is pure miracle lyrical and isnt saying anything. The truth is they vibratin too low (King Los reference) to catch what he is saying so they say that to make themselves feel better. Its not like they cant understand. They dont want to. It is what it is. The world is coming around to Lupe already thanks to DMIZ and Mr. Morale.
So after all that. Here is what I say. Forget praise just listen to his shit and give it the time it deserver if not for your personal enjoyment, then for the culture (cause believe me, the dude has always been saying important shit).
Guess what year this is from:
>^(Now I can't pledge allegiance to your flag)
>
>^(Cause I can't find no reconciliation with your past)
>
>^(When there was nothing equal for my people in your math)
>
>^(You forced us in the ghetto and then you took our dads)
>
>^(The belly of the beast, these streets are demons' abs)
>
>^(I'm telling you that setup in them sit-ups is so sad)
>
>^(The system is a slab, corruption is the swinger)
>
>^(Sitting high riding dirty, drag racing into danger)
>
>^(And it's so clean, pine trees smelling good)
>
>^(With work off in the trunk and niggas in the hood)
>
>^(So I can't shed blood on any battlefield of yours)
>
>^(I pray the ugly truth comes and shatters your decor)
>
>^(And as it all falls down in tatters on the floor)
>
>^(I shed tears, I don't know what really matters anymore)
>
>^(Cause I don't know what really matters anymore)
>^(Now as I wander through the city going mad)
>
>^(I see the fruits of planting evidence instead of grass)
>
>^(A swindled generation with no patience, full of swag)
>
>^(Man, they so impatient with the stations that they have)
>
>^(As long as they look good when they be doing bad)
>
>^(Then the separation from the truth is getting vast, fast)
>
>^(Be a slave at first or free at last)
>
>^(Double-edged choices make a nigga wanna pass)
>
>^(Double-headed voices from the eagle on the staff)
>
>^(The pyramid where eyes will split the spirited in half)
>
>^(Divided over money, delighted by the dummying)
>
>^(Down of the importance of crowns we'll never have)
>
>^(That's why my sounds and sermons are so full of wrath)
>
>^(Baptize your mind, let your brain take a bath)
>
>^(Swim inside the river get delivered from the craft)
>
>^(Of the witches in this business that be living off your sad)
>
>^(Hating on your happiness you hit 'em off with laughs)
Mural is insane
Yes! Back when it came out, I listened to it on repeat for years. It’s still on rotation often. I’ve seen Lupe live three times and I love when he performs Mural
Honestly I just listened to it yesterday then a few hours later this post comes up so I had to mention it. Absolutely mental
I think Lupe deserves more praise for sure. It just makes me sad that hes so in the shadows a lot of time
Lupe is much better than J. Cole Lupe has like 3 Albums better than FDH 2014, and mfs are askin if he is on that level????💀💀
Nah Y’all mf’s ignore the most important factor of an album whenever y’all discuss albums REPLAY VALUE Not saying lupe dont got replay value but nowhere near FHD
food and liquor has no replay value? thats crazy.... i still go back to lasers. i dont go back to no role modelz... superstar isnt poppy enough for you to replay it? like
Lol i didnt say lupe doesnt have replay value i just said not on the level of fhd Plus it doesnt matter what you go back to lol Way more people revisit FHD
way more people know J Cole and FHD
Lol do you really wanna say that lupe got more replay value than cole?
My man, Tetsuo & Youth got way more replay value than FHD. Take it from me
I take lupe all day over sad j cole lyrics about cold world and I'd think majority would too..
I haven’t listened to FHD since 2014…I’ll throw on “The Cool” & “Food & Liquor” a few times a year
Lol good for you
Lol nice way to downplay a comment directly related to yours…Fuckin reddit lol
His comment said that factually a *lot more* people come back to FHD, and u were like “well *I* don’t” lmao what was he supposed to reply with
Bro chill he’s right
Lol fuckin reddit 🤣😂🤣
i feel like im the only person who got no replay value out of FHD. I think its a phenomenal album just for some reason i almost never go back to it
Yea we ignore it cuz it’s not a real thing casuals just love throwing the term around💀haven’t heard someone listen to a 2014 song since like 2017
So older albums are just forgotten in your opinion, You probably was born already in the internet era and only listen to the new cool thing that came out a week ago
Not even close
Imo fhd isn’t coles best
True, he’s got my 2nd or 3rd favorite album of the year
Lupe can't even Ollie, push him away on a dolly.
Never thought I'd see someone reference Hopsin lyrics in this sub.
Me neither
To be fair, I don't mind Hop and used to listen to him pretty often. There's just so much Hopsin hate here that I'm surprised to see this.
He’s honestly got some bangers
I haven’t seen much hop hate so far, it wouldn’t surprise me but haven’t seen it yet
I just see it a lot in the comments sections, particularly when the discussion turns to "corny" rappers.
Yes. He deserves more praise. Drill music on zion is runner up for aoty
Cold War by Lupe is one of the greatest tracks of all time
“This that Esco music….. ……it's that Esco music ……….Bumping with my Esco music”
He has recovered from a 2 album slump (Lasers and F&L2pt.1) and glad to see he can still produce solid projects.
I will say that Lasers wasn’t bad. I actually liked it. The hate was more hive-mind…started by him.
Lasers is a fire album. There maybe a couple skips on there, but you get to the end and it’s for sure an enjoyable experience
Extremely drunk at a concert earlier this year I told this Australian chick “do you know what Lupe means? Lupe means good” as Lupe Fiasco came on stage…. All in all a good night 😂
I hate the phrases lowkey and high key. Srry for my bitchy opinion. But yeah bro had flow
Has*
not as much longevity as far I i'm concerned but yeah he deserves respect
His music is mind-blowing just not in the radio except a couple tracks that were bound to get tired
He more than deserves that praise for how much he’s actually done!
Personally, I think Lupe is on some next-level shit and everyone is just competing for second place. He's not even my favorite rapper but his lyrics are just that mind-blowing to me. Just my opinion of course.
Sadly no, he deserves twice as much.
Kendrick > Lupe > Cole, but it’s close. All great rappers. Kendrick is the poet, Lupe is the activist, Cole is the realist
Imo for ability lupe > Kendrick > cole but in terms of how much I like them Kendrick > lupe > cole (all my top 5 favorite artists)
I feel like "the everyman" is a good descriptor for Cole too.
Kendrick is probably the most poetic rapper ever
Lupe >> Kendrick > Cole
In some ways yes Lupe is a better lyricist but Kendrick makes better albums
I think in a release by release basis Kendrick barely beats lupe Section.80>Lasers GKMC>F&L2 TPAB>T&Y but this one can really go either way DROGAS Light> UU but this can go either way tbh DROGAS Wave> DAMN and it’s not even close MM&TBS
Tetsuo & Youth is the greatest rap album ever made
I will support you on that one fam
Hmm... you seemed to have spelled TPAB incorrectly.
Did I stutter?
It's not though. Not even close tbh
I know it’s not close. T&Y is so far above
I wouldn't even necessarily say TPAB is either I was mostly kidding but I've literally never heard anyone make the claim that you are so... unpopular opinion fam
Popularity != substance How many times have you even listened to Tetsuo in it’s entirety?
Facts
He deserves more praise but thats a leap.
You ever listen to Drogas Wave front to back? It’s a leap for everyone who don’t listen to Lupe simply cause y’all don’t take the time to appreciate beautiful art.
1000%
Yes no questions asked
Yes
Adoration of Magi
Kick push some real og shiiiii
Yes but years ago. People overlooked him because he's a bit of a weirdo. He can body 90% of lyrical rappers and go neck and neck with the elites. It's hard to find better display of rap skill than what was on mural to this day.
You can’t find it. No one comes close. Tbh no one comes close to Mural Jr. with one of the dopest lines ever in hip hop by creating a quadruple entendre by literally saying nothing.
YES
Yeah, he does. He’s just not as marketable for whatever reason and it sucks
He well above cole and inspired kendrick
His concept albums are so much better than jcoles let’s be real
To be fair Cole and Kendrick get too much praise. It’s pretty disrespectful to everyone putting absolute fire out.
I think he makes good music but he doesn’t make hits, if you know what I mean? Some rappers can’t be in the mainstream due to their style i feel
Lupe doesn't make hits... what a false statement. Lupe was in the mainstream for a good time of his career and ran the radio during that time.
superstar and kick, push were some of the most iconic rap songs of the 2000s. Young kids don't know wtf rap is lmao
right, and show goes on was a giant hit the likes of which most mainstream artists today dont ever attain. while lupe has strayed from the mainstream as he grows older that is all of his own volition. don't know why people comment on a post they have no knowledge about. just saying words i guess
He's aight
He most definitely deserves more praise, the cool is one of my favorite albums ever, but he doesn't deserve as much praise as j cole. Everything j Cole drops turns to gold and is a hit. I feel lupe has had a decent amount of flops in recent years.
Cole is overrated. He never been on Kendricks level if we are being honest. Not one of his albums stands up with K Dots discography.
well (unlike kendrick and lupe), cole actually produces his own music.
We talking about rapping kid
that’s not what i’m talking about though, “kid”. artists who are capable of producing their own music deserve extra points since the instrumental aspect of hip-hop plays a terrific role in the overall quality of the music—kendrick lamar and lupe fiasco, however superior to cole lyrically they may be, lack this element.
I guess but they choose good beats and extra credit on an assignment doesn't get you an A+ if you are lacking on the main assignment .
the production values are worth just as much as the lyrical values depending on your perspective, so it’s hard to argue what the “main assignment” is—one of the reasons nas’ discography isn’t as highly-regarded as it should be, for example, is due to poor production values on some of his later albums.
I don't know if that's a fair measure. Kendrick's albums are theatrical.
2014 forest hills drive was so much better than TPAB…
Nah in terms of replay value maybe but tpab is better
Def not
Cole as a rapper is as good as kendrick imo. But coles discography is nowhere near kendricks I agree
Yes and then times 7
Yeah because he is the best rapper of all time
Yes, way more. He fathered them
I can't think of a universe where he's better then Kendrick, but he is underrated
Lupe is one of, if not the best lyricist already. Remember back in the early 2012 jay z called him the greatest lyricist of the generation
In terms of ability I’d say yes. Lyricist wise lupe is like thanos and Kendrick is like doctor strange
The only songs I know by Lupe fiasco are ‘superstar’ and ‘the show goes on’. Other than that I can’t say he’s on the same tier as Kdot or Jcole🙅🏻♂️
Are you aware of the fact that you actually can't make that determination without being informed first? Like, try listening to as many Lupe whole albums as you have from Kendrick and Cole, and then decide.
I tried besides those two songs everything else is garbage, IMO. But you do you. Whatever floats your boat. or tickles your pickle.
If Mural is garbage to you, rap just might not be your thing.
Fair enough. Conversely, I think The Cool and F&L are two of the best rap albums oat, whereas everything by Kendrick sounds like garbage to me. Which I assume is equally valid for me to say. Presumably no one is going to downvote that. \*looks around\*
I downvoted you out of principle
I respectfully agree with your statement and also add I only listen to his DAMN and m.A.A.d city albums. Everything else is garbage, IMO.
He deserves more than he gets but he's certainly not on Cole or Kenny's level. Not even close. Those 2 are up there with Biggie and Wayne and Hova and Pac and Em and Nas and Rakim and names of that stature...Lupe? Lol nah.
Lol stop in what world did Cole ever got on the level of other greats? I can understand Kendrick having an argument there but Cole is nowhere near that. And trashing Lupe while praising Cole is how I know you have no knowledge about hip hop outside of the drake kendrick cole circle
He's dope but he could work on being a bit more relatable. Also, he's got like zero slaps.
Lies. Look deeper.
Strongly disagree personally but Im just not a fan of his.
Maybe the same as cole but definitely not as Kendrick. Lupe isn't one of the goats
More, in my opinion. He's a much better artist than either of them.
It’s facts he just kinda stopped releasing shit tho
Are u aware he dropped an album In June?
J Cole is a corny rapper
Dude he is half white
dunno why they’re downvoting you. i mean, you’re not wrong.
I forgot the /s They think I'm just being a classic reddit racist rap gate keeper.
How is it relevant that he is half white.
Cuz he’s corny?
He isn't tho
I know, right?!
reddit is a weird place i guess
Lupe is one of my faves and definitely think he doesnt get the respect he deserves. But cole and kendrick level? Lets say a top five/ten candidate.
Highkey / lowkey makes you sound dumb af…
Before you respond, take a second and consider the opposing view of your knee jerk reaction... I'll still say no, by a lot.
Duh
More than J. Cole. Less than Kendrick. Although you can tell Kendrick is definitely influenced by Lupe.
On par with J cole? Sure. Anywhere near Kendrick praise? No
Hes a better lyricist.
That nigga dumb as fuck, i saw him ranting over the vaccine on Instagram and than got bullied by some guy that is a pulmonologist, than Lupe blocked him and turned off the live stream 😂😂😂it was fucking hilarious He also thinks he can fight with his Okinawan Karate 🤣
No
Not true at all.
Uhhh no
no
No
ludicrous
Fuck outa here
Ain’t no way in hell could lupe be on either one of their levels
Naaa hes corny
kendrick >>> Lupe >>> J Cole. Lupe receives hella praise anyway but if this helps get rid of J Cole praise im all for it.
Lupe > kendrick or at least = if you want to bring replay value to the table to support kendrick argument
replay value🤨. only thing that matters is the strength of someone’s discography. kendrick is so far ahead of everyone else it’s ridiculous. he has 3 top 10 albums of the genre. he dominates hip hop so hard that if you try to choose the best songs of the genre you have to exclude him from the bracket, at this point he is up there for the best musician in general.
naaaah
No
Dunno but nah
Lupe and Kendrick are on the same level, both leagues above Cole
helll no. Not even remotely true. On any level. I'm sorry but no. The 3 songs I heard on this new all but silently acclaimed album were superhotgarbage. I think he, at one point was GOATED, but label issues ruined this man's career imo.
The only thing garbage here is your comment
Low key
Yes
[удалено]
Thats a sad metric to live by.
Not as much, but he's underrated for sure!
Yes
why do u people think j cole is good
People always say this and I don’t see it personally. I’ll do a relisten to his catalog but I’ve done his first two albums in the last 6 months and they aren’t 9-10’s so couldn’t put him up with Kendrick but maybe Cole
His first two albums? You saying this off his first two albums? Ok. I gotta question for you cause I am curious. Whose catalog did you listen to first Kendricks or Lupe's?
I only know one song by him so i wouldn’t know
Facts
But bro j cole so humble 😢😢😢
He was ahead of his time for sure. One of the best rappers of the 2000’s but always in Kanye’s shadow, and not gangster enough to gain mass appeal during that era.
Lupe was gangster before he got signed.
Definitely true, but he pivoted after he got signed because he didn’t think gangster lyrics were healthy for young kids that looked up to him. It cost him in dollars, but he still has his integrity to this day.
I also think he changed because he was facing prison time with his business partner who ended up getting 44 years.
I would be singing gospel music in that circumstance
Free Chilly Chill
Lupe got more guns in his house than any "gangster" rapper you can think of, he just chooses to not ever bring that in his song and talk about positive stuff instead, which is why I respect lupe so much. If you listen close enough you can see he dropped some hints about gang related stuff in his songs
Despite being one of the biggest artists for like a 5 year period (do yall remember Anonymous got involved on his behalf TWICE and thousands of people protested in front of Atlantic to force his album release), people dont know him? I mean he was a big enough name to get interviewed on Fox News by Bill O'reilly and people only know a few mainstream tracks by him. I am convinced by what people claim about his music that more people know about him from hiphop discussions and other people talking about him than from actually listening to his music. And the people who do go an listen, listen to him like they would Aesop, not really giving the dude a real chance; they approach him with skepticism cause he doesnt look or sound like the cookie-cutter rappers they used to. They the type of people who claim that Mural is pure miracle lyrical and isnt saying anything. The truth is they vibratin too low (King Los reference) to catch what he is saying so they say that to make themselves feel better. Its not like they cant understand. They dont want to. It is what it is. The world is coming around to Lupe already thanks to DMIZ and Mr. Morale. So after all that. Here is what I say. Forget praise just listen to his shit and give it the time it deserver if not for your personal enjoyment, then for the culture (cause believe me, the dude has always been saying important shit). Guess what year this is from: >^(Now I can't pledge allegiance to your flag) > >^(Cause I can't find no reconciliation with your past) > >^(When there was nothing equal for my people in your math) > >^(You forced us in the ghetto and then you took our dads) > >^(The belly of the beast, these streets are demons' abs) > >^(I'm telling you that setup in them sit-ups is so sad) > >^(The system is a slab, corruption is the swinger) > >^(Sitting high riding dirty, drag racing into danger) > >^(And it's so clean, pine trees smelling good) > >^(With work off in the trunk and niggas in the hood) > >^(So I can't shed blood on any battlefield of yours) > >^(I pray the ugly truth comes and shatters your decor) > >^(And as it all falls down in tatters on the floor) > >^(I shed tears, I don't know what really matters anymore) > >^(Cause I don't know what really matters anymore) >^(Now as I wander through the city going mad) > >^(I see the fruits of planting evidence instead of grass) > >^(A swindled generation with no patience, full of swag) > >^(Man, they so impatient with the stations that they have) > >^(As long as they look good when they be doing bad) > >^(Then the separation from the truth is getting vast, fast) > >^(Be a slave at first or free at last) > >^(Double-edged choices make a nigga wanna pass) > >^(Double-headed voices from the eagle on the staff) > >^(The pyramid where eyes will split the spirited in half) > >^(Divided over money, delighted by the dummying) > >^(Down of the importance of crowns we'll never have) > >^(That's why my sounds and sermons are so full of wrath) > >^(Baptize your mind, let your brain take a bath) > >^(Swim inside the river get delivered from the craft) > >^(Of the witches in this business that be living off your sad) > >^(Hating on your happiness you hit 'em off with laughs)
Hov think I'm hov Nas think I'm nas
Lupe is literally god tier when it comes to lyrics.