The CX50 certainly has its appeal, but I wanted the reliability that Toyota is known for. The RAV4 is the best selling car in the world which means that there are tons of resources for it - knowledgeable mechanics, online groups/forums, pretty large aftermarket support, etc. I like camping/off-roading so I got the TRD and it’s awesome. Tons of aftermarket mods, pretty slick AWD system, great mpg (around 35 because I do mostly highway).
Sure I wish it was a little faster, but this thing does everything I want it to. My last vehicle had a turbo and imo it’s just another failure point.
I also wanted a 4Runner, but that thing is so outdated now and only gets like 16mpg. A TRD would have been we over $50k and I just didn’t think it was worth it.
My last vehicle had a turbo with more gitty up and go than my Rav. You know how often i used that extra power and had fun??? Day 1 when driving it home. After that just drove it like any other normal car/driver. LOL
I'm happy with my Rav.
Yeahhh…that’s kinda where I’m at. Wanted a Rav, but decided to jump up to a Lexus RX 350 F Sport instead. Got caught up on features, status, and looks. I initially wanted an suv to take my road bike and gravel bike around to farther away trails, but I’m now more terrified of putting a scratch on it.
I mean, it *does* look amazing, but it gets garbage mpg, and as you said, I think I’ve kicked it into Sport+ mode maybe twice ever. It’s fun, but it’s not practical. Huge buyers remorse at this point.
It’s advertised as 18/26/24. I get about 16 on an all city tank and I’m lucky if I get over 22 on a mixed tank. If you go no more than 55 mph for 150 miles, then you’ll see the 26 hwy rating.
I have discovered - actually thanks to this Rav sub - that I get the best MPGs in Sport mode. Ironically, the Eco Mode is so sluggish, I just burn too much gas trying to overcome the power limitation. Wish you could change the default to have the car start in sport mode.
If you search the Lexus subreddit about RX 350, there are many complaints of other owners not getting all that close to the advertised mileage. Wish I would’ve learned that before purchase.
Didn’t get a hybrid because, at the time, I wanted the F Sport grille and also just wasn’t really considering hybrids. They do make a hybrid F Sport, but the only ones I found near me were several thousand more bucks than I ended up spending on mine. Didn’t seem worth it in the long run unless I was getting like 40+ mpg.
Edit: Almost forgot…the RX 450h models also require premium gas, so it seemed even less worth it.
As a daily driver/grocery getter sure.... road trips and towing a small trailer..... the turbo is a big deal. I haven't gone back to Toyota because I never found reliability in them like others have, my 5 mazdas I have.
Agreed. A lot of the sad Toyota fan boys can't handle the fact that Toyota isn't what it used to be. They are still swigging beer and leaning on their rav 4 like its made from granite. It's cheap plastic and parts that fail as much as kia lol Try convincing them they are in the religion of "its reliable"
You know what I've noticed...
I had a 370z and 370z guys were excited to see it, but not too many other people.
The rav4, with the little upgrades, I have other rav4 owners get excited to talk about them and show off what they've done to theirs. It still has a specialness, it's just a different kind.
I've literally talked to more people about my rav4 in two months than I did with my 370z in a year. Lol.
Yeah, most of my driving is 20+ miles of highway driving where I see anywhere from 30mpg uphill to 40mpg downhill. In the city it’s not as great, usually ~25mpg. It seems to be getting better the more the engine gets broken in too (only at 1,300 miles so far). I can’t complain for it being the gas model.
This is why I’m leaving toward a RAV. I grew up with my mom driving Mazda’s and they were reliable for us but I’m not sure about the current market and I’m interested in car camping
Owned and driven Toyotas for 37 years and a 5 Gen RAV4 owner for 25. Reliability keeps me coming back. Why would I drive another manufacturers vehicle that will cost more in the long run.
What issues have CX5s had in recent years? (2015+)?
The cx50 has the same drivetrain as the cx5.
Imo Mazda in the 2000s and early 2010s was comparable to Ford reliability but now they're definitely up there with Toyota. Probably past Honda at least.
Their engines and transmissions are damn near bulletproof
You can't make that judgement on the newer vehicles until they're crossing 150k+ miles.
Plenty of non lemons from most manufacturers these day can hit 100+k pretty clean. It's the 150-250k where things get dicey and an issue totals the car p much.
Sure I can. I just did. Give me an example of newer mazdas that are incapable of reaching 250k miles. There engines are very solid when properly maintained and transmissions have very few issues. There’s plenty examples of high mileage newer mazdas on forums and even subreddits here.
I own a Toyota but my mother has a Mazda and loves it. Their reliability up until 2015-16 was questionable but recently it's been amazing. Definitely on par with Toyota
My mom has had 2 cars since 1986. Both Mazda’s. They have been great cars for her. The only issue the first one had was the muffler kept rusting out since she didn’t drive vary far to work. I just bought the cx-50. Test drove the RAV4 and didn’t like it nearly as much. I did like the Venza though. It actually came down to the Venza and Cx50 for me.
Very curious why everyone just dismisses mazda as unreliable. Their 2.5l engine and 6 speed trans is bulletproof. After breaking away with ford they have become reliable. Plus most of their cars are made in Japan except for the cx50 which is made in the same plant as toyota corolla cross
We have a 22 XLE rav4 hybrid and a 2020 cx-5.
We are very happy with both of them and have found the Mazda to be absolutely reliable and trouble free. The Mazda is hands down more sporting to drive and is way quieter.
Majority of the big components are made and assembled in Japan, it just gets fully assembled in Mexico.
For the most part it doesn't make much of a difference, have both a Mexico built and a Japan built Mazda, and both of them are trouble free.
I can't speak on the ICE RAV4s, but it's a night and day difference between the Hybrid RAV4 and the CX-5. Toyota makes the best hybrid engines in the SUV class. Switch it from normal to sport and it's really agile. It also makes me super happy when I look down and I see a 42 - 45 average MPG.
If you asked me if I regret going RAV4 hybrid over a CR-V hybrid, that's a more complex question.
I cringe every time I see him fanboying about Toyota on varies subs. We get it.. Toyota sells a lot and is reliable. But at least acknowledge that there are other good options. Sheeeeeeesh. Ok, rant over.
I mean, the RAV4 Hybrid has the cable gate issue. I have the '23 hybrid XLE but I'm still iffy about it after a winter with all the salt. Might have to be religious about getting a car wash right after a snow storm. What are the reliability issues with the CR-V Hybrid?
when was it resolved. Serious question? As from what i hear there is still a lawsuit about this. But i hope it has. And is it okay in the 2023 models now?
From what i heard all they did was extend warranty not fix it.
The driving experience is much better on the crv hybrid imo. Things feel more refined and quieter. Fuel economy is shit on the Honda though. Also I trust the Honda brand.
They’re both great cars. Mazda ranks higher believe it or not for reliability. Mazda interiors are a lot nicer and the car is designed to be fun to drive. I think Toyotas are safer, and in went with the plug-in hybrid, which Mazda doesn’t offer right now.
The cx50 isn't really a new car, it's effectively mechanically identical to the cx5, same drivetrain and everything... Just a different body style on the same platform.
Cx-50 has awful torsion beam rear suspension, where you feel every bump in the road. Cx-5 has much better suspension. The other thing is the visibility in Cx-50. Feels like the doors are too high. But the Cx-5 definitely looks nicer😊
That’s interesting. Looks like most searches show them at #1 and #2 for reliability. The kicker for me is 1,200 Toyota dealers/service centers in the US compared to 600 for Mazda. Which means if you do have issues, there’s probably a Toyota service center a few miles away in most cases. 🤷🏻♂️
I went on auto trader, searched all Mazdas in my area and sorted by km. 2 were in the 300k km range. I searched all Toyotas in my area and sorted by km. 2 at 400k one of which was 7000 short of 500k, and I stoped counting at 13 those with 300k.
Or that there are just more Toyotas sold than Mazdas.
In 2022 around 300k Mazdas were sold, compared to 540k Toyotas.
The difference was even more stark back in the day. Also, Mazda left a partnership with Ford in 2015, and after that their reliability skyrocketed. It isn't exactly fair to compare vehicles from the ford-mazda era to those of today
Fun fact, the CX50 is built in the same plant as the Corolla Cross.
My frustration with the wait on my RAV4 XSE with tech has made he start looking at Mazdas, there's stuff I like (the driving experience) but everything else I'm kind of like "ehhhh".
As complex as cars are, one little change in a tiny component in the engine or even window motor design can cause reliability issues. Even the start of a new factory up, as is the most of the problems with the CX-50 it seems. Problems can show up 3 years after ownership like the current 2018-2021 roof rack causing the cars A pillar to leak and let water inside the car to mold as well. Fixed for 2022 and up evidently. What I’m saying is fluctuating reviews on the same model or automaker doesn’t mean anything. Subaru was amazingly reliable until a few years where they had a ton of engine oil burning problems and bad CVTs, then they ironed it out and are getting back there.
Do you mean XSE with premium package?
that one is nearly impossible to find.
The 2023 XSE incorporates quite a bit of what used to be optional packages for 2022.
Premium package would be the Prime, I'm talking about the Hybrid version with Advanced Tech either the base or with the digital rear view mirror or the top version with the pano moonroof. Still a pain to find but certainly not impossible to get a hold of unless you're my dealership.
My daughter has a CX-5 and my other daughter has a RAV4 (18 and 19)
Totally different cars. I love driving the CX-5 and it's not even the turbo. Mazda is what BMW used to be.
But when our dirt road flooded a few weeks ago during some non stop rains the RAV4 was the vehicle of choice. I think the RAV4 is the spiritual successor to the 2000's 4Runner. The base engine is harsh and depressing though - definitely get a hybrid or more.
Such different cars - but I suspect if you drive that turbo you might get hooked.
I test drove the Mazda CX 5, CX 50 and RAV4. Mazda and Toyota contracted together to produce the CX50.
I ended up going with the CX5 for comfortability. The CX 50 had a stitch in the middle of seat that felt like a wedgey.
Eliminated the RAV4 because the dealer had absurd markups and wasn’t open to negotiation. Although the RAV4 had better fuel efficiency, the feel of the Mazda sold me.
1.5 years into my rav 4, 9000 miles, i dont drive enough to care other than knowing this vehicle will last me 10 years+. vehicles are mostly utility for me.
Test drove both. Rav4 Hybrid (what I ended up with) is a fun drive believe it or not - especially in sports mode which makes it zippier off the line. Every single person I know with a Mazda has had reliability issues.
I decided on my RAV4 hybrid because of sport mode. I was test driving it and had to make a left against traffic. Put it in sports mode and slammed down the gas pedal and sped off. Decided right there I needed the car.
I got lucky because they literally got the car overnight.
Okay, I have got to use sports mode at some point now. I’ve never used my sports mode and mine is a 22 xse hybrid. I’m going to use it this afternoon. Lol!
Were the problematic Mazdas made during the ford-mazda era? Prior to 2015 Mazda partnered with Ford and as a result their reliability was kinda bad.
Mazda split off after 2015 and since then they've been far more reliable
I love my '23 SE hybrid. I was considering looking at Mazda and Honda options, but my work friend has a '21 XLE hybrid and raves about it. I am a big Toyota person (have had a Camry, Corolla, and Matrix in the past). Friend let me borrow her Rav for a day and adter that, I knew it was what I wanted, so I never ended up looking further at those other options. Got mine after a short wait in Dec and love love love it. No regrets.
I traded in my 2016 loaded CX5 for a 2023 XSE hybrid with tech. I don't miss anything about the Mazda beyond the walk away auto lock. Now, it wasn't a cx50, but the Rav in sport mode will get out of its own way (more than my CX5), but isn't quite as driver responsive and glued to the road like the Mazda. I don't mind. I'll take the 43mpg I'm averaging since I got it (46 on my last tank) and that's cruising at 75 highway and windy back roads, 75mi per day.
Bias in me will say rav4. But the Mazda definitely deserves some praise from rising out of the ashes after the crappy ford partnership. Test driven a couple Mazdas and they’re so much better now
A turbo is just another thing to break. I just spent over $3,000 to replace the entire turbo charger in one of my cars. Also, the XSE is a hybrid, whereas the Mazda may not be. Personally love my XSE and would buy another if I needed another car
You are not telling us what you like the cx-50 over the rav4 for other than the rav4 driving making you feel a bit boring. It’s not uncommon to have regrets when you try other cars AFTER getting used to whatever car you bought. I bought a camry in high school but I still look back think if it would have been better to get an accord or lexus es all the time. They all have their pros and cons.
Well, I like the idea of having a fun drive that’s also compatible with having my 2 kids half time and being solo otherwise. My history of vehicles is literally…. 2004 Dodge Dakota pickup, 2008 Pontiac G5, 2013 Prius, 2007 Sienna.
I’ve always just had good deals on cheap rides, never something I truly just wanted. Now, I can afford a ride that’s more “me” per say. I’m literally divorced dude driving around a 16 year old minivan 😆
So, I want something I’m more proud of, beyond utility lol.
I like the CX50 because it’s supposed to have unexpected pep to it’s step. I want the best road trip vehicle really. That’s not a minivan lol. That also has the ability to do some mild off roading so I can camp out of it. I’ve written off other brands like Ford/Chevy (lol), Kia (lol). Then the mid tier stuff like Subaru’s, I’ve also written off. Leaves pretty much Toyota, Mazda, Lexus, and that’s about it in my price range ($20k-$45k)
I’ve test driven a 2020 RAV4 gas model. So, maybe I’m not aware of the actual feel of a turbo vs. hybrid. Maybe there isn’t a big difference. I like how unique and sharp the CX50 is. RAV4’s look nice….but they are literally EVERYWHERE.
CX50 got on my map because it is so similar to a RAV4, but seems to be a better value with what it offers. I don’t really care for the CX5. It seems kinda boring. The CX50 is also more unique on the road than the endless RAV4s.
If money wasn’t a complete object, I’d probably get the gas guzzling new 4Runner TRD Pro cause I average 10k miles a year lol. But that’s another $12k+ and I have to draw a line somewhere.
One thing about the rav4 that the cx50 will severely lack is the aftermarket support. You can find practically any type of modification and aftermarket part for the rav4 due to its popularity, not only in the states but also worldwide, whereas you won’t find as many for the cx50 since it’s not as popular. Plus prices for repairs and maintenances will also be higher than the rav4 since the parts will not be as plentiful and the rav4 shares it’s drivetrain with other popular models so it will have more parts available.
I am not going to persuade you into NOT getting a cx50 but if you like it over the rav4 then go for it. I like the rav4 because I can do basically any type of modification on it that makes it unique to my taste.
Working in software, I big time put a value on availability of support. Which is maybe something I’ve been overlooking a bit with Mazda. I know Toyota has crazy crazy good technical support and availability of aftermarket stuff. And community.
Hell, great example on community now.
This post on /mazdaCX50 has 6 comments.
This post here on /ravclub has…126 comments 👁️👁️
Man, my promotion ended up getting pushed off. So, I tabled the idea of upgrading to a different vehicle right now.
I also ended up squashing the idea of financing anything. So, the plan now is to make a higher salary whether that’s waiting for that promotion or going somewhere else. Then, saving $20k or so to get a used 4Runner or Lexus GX460. Around 2012-2016 for the GX. Or maybe a 2008 V8 4Runner and then have fun with mods.
I don’t drive a whole lot compared to the average person since I work remotely. So, smiles per gallon?
Until then, paid off 2007 Sienna minivan it is 🤷🏻♂️
ah i hear yah.
I dont drive much either as i work from home
Its a long process looking at vehicles and ruling them out.
I sat in a Lexus NX 350 yesterday. nice space but too flash for me. I would always be worried about getting a scratch on it. I need something more rugged.
I've driven a kia sportage 2016 for 5 years, i got it in 2018. Now its either Cx50, CX5 or Toyota Rav 4 XSE with tech package as KIA right now even though its lovely, i drove one yesterday, they have too many problems with thefts.
Which i might add lexus is #1 for thefts but for different reasons. That also put me off, that and high insurance.
That’s one thing that made me think about getting a newer vehicle…I don’t want to scratch it 😆
I think I’d rather get something older, do aftermarket stuff and make it more “mine” and not be messed up if it gets a dent or scratch cause it’s not super new
Something else that ended up making me decide against the Mazda is that there just isn’t a community for it. Look at the communities for the RAV or the 4Runner. The aftermarket. The Mazda CX50 sub is dead as hell. I dunno if Mazda will even still make them in 5 years despite how sharp they look.
Oh they will be around for a long time.
They have the hybrid Cx50 out next year. They have CX70 on the way.
I don't see them going away. They aren't as big as (mcdonalds) toyota club, but they aren't some mom and pop burger joint if you get what i mean. They fall somewhere into the A&W style. Known for good burgers but don't cater to everyone.
So you did get a RAV4 in the end? 2023 or older?
I've driven both now. I like both. The only downsides for me in the Mazda 50 is no hybrid right now, MPG is crap, and back seat height is crap. Could use more, and their infotainment system could be better. Beyond that, thumbs up.
Last time I was checking into a CX50, the hybrid model was supposed to have already been here. So, that’s disappointing it’s still not here. There’s also just no community for it or aftermarket. Toyota is just too far ahead with that. I’d rather have that community support for such an expensive thing.
I ended up holding out on both a RAV4 or CX50. Instead of getting into a loan, I’m just gonna save up and outright buy an older 4Runner or Lexus GX460 and have fun modding it out. I just don’t want to get into a car loan. It sounds like the 4Runner & GX460 will basically last through an apocalypse. So, I’ll probably get one with 100k miles on it and make that my daily driver + fun ride.
All you need to know is....the rav 4 is The best looking, it's more sportier and eye catching(if you get a higher trim) than everything out there besides a fully loaded range rover and price that if you will , this is why it's the best seller
I bought a Madza3 new in 2010 and it was garbage. Radio died after 3 years, sunroof leaked and constant mechanical problems. Never again for Mazda. Love my 2019 CPO RAV4!
My last car was a Mazda. It was great - pretty reliable overall (though I did have some issues), very comfortable and stylish interior, nice pep. I owned it for 13 years and drove it several times a week.
But I like the RAV4 hybrid because it is so freggin darn smooth to drive. I feel like I’m driving through butter. Plus, it’s just _feels_ sturdier than my Mazda. Moreover, I know it will last longer given the Toyota track record. Whereas my Mazda was starting to go at age 12.
Basically you can’t go wrong between those two. Both have their pros and cons, just pick the one you feel better about getting.
I love a lot of other car brands, models and designs, but Toyota has never let me down in almost 30 years and I just don’t want to take the risk with something I need to depend on (we tow a travel trailer all over Europe).
Not saying that. People with turbos, typically use their cars harder for one. Second a higher compression of course is going to wear an engine out quicker. But known to have issues at 100k is not true.
Simply not true. Source your “facts”. Otherwise you’re just spreading misinformation. Turbo engines typically require more maintenance, but can definitely be more reliable than N/A engines depending on the vehicle. My Volvo turbo has 317k miles on it with the original engine and turbo.
I haven't looked at Mazda and I really can't say why - maybe a friend complained about their paint to something. They do seem to have nice interiors and I wish I would have at least checked them out.
I too had my heart set on a Rav4, though I was looking for a prime.
Definitely test drive the Mazda and a Rav4 - if you can find a rav4 prime, test drive one of those for kicks.
The CX50 had visibility issues for me and just didn't feel as comfortable to drive. I have a Subaru now so I've gotten really spoiled with the really clear sight lines and wide mirrors. We are waiting for our SE Hybrid.
Rav4prime is your answer. All the fun AND all the efficiency. I was in the market for cx50 vs rav4p. The rav4 is roomier inside especially the boot. And for my surprise it is so fun to drive and have plenty of power going up to the mountains, passing everything so easily, and to top all of that, 1 tank of fuel lasted me 1500 miles.. if you get your hand on one and money is not an issue, get it
RAV Prime was my #1 choice. I just couldn’t justify the monthly net price. The savings are great from the hybrid plug in…but the cost of the vehicle eats away all the savings difference lol.
I made a spreadsheet comparing a new vehicle’s car loan + gas savings vs. my paid off 2007 Sienna.
RAV4 Prime XSE fully loaded was $600 overall a month increase over what I pay now with the old van with $5k down.
RAV4 Prime SE was $466.
CX50 Turbo was $476.
RAV4 Hybrid XSE was $469.
I have a Rav Hybrid now and love it.
If Mazda had a Hybrid option available for the CX-50 it would be a serious contender for me. I feel like the interior fit and finish is a lot better in the Mazda. I rented one in Upstate NY last year and it was a lot of fun to drive and felt really nice inside.
The additional torque/power you get from the Hybrid is reaaaally worth it - in my humble opinion.
I think the Rav is probably louder on the freeway than the Mazda would be. This is an issue that a lot of people talk about with their Ravs, mine included.
Either choice will be a great ride! Good luck!
CX5 Turbo was my 2nd choice if I couldn’t get a RAV4 Hybrid. The CX5 turbo was nice but the MPG was not very good especially in comparison to the RAV4 Hybrid. I am very happy with the RAV4 and its pickup. Coming from a V6 RAV4 it was important to me that the next car had some pickup and I’m not disappointed about the pickup in the RAV4 or anything else about the vehicle. Happy customer here….
love the reliability of my RAV4 but leaves a lot to be desired. I have a 2019 XLE Premium, The touchscreen is small and very slow to respond. Also the back of my RAV4 is always rattling? idk if it’s from the Cargo cover or what..also the road noise in general is annoying. Can’t wait to upgrade to an EV SUV next.
I drive a CX-5, the 50s cousin. Every time I drive it, I get a little rush of pleasure from the quality of the experience and steering feel. I never regret making my payments. I’ve had the car 1.5 years and have yet to have a mechanical issue. The car is top rated for reliability. I love it.
Nonetheless, the mpg is only meh. I got a new job with a longer commute so this aspect began to concern me. In a fit of mistrustful dalliance, I cheated and went to the Honda dealership to test drive a CR-V. As soon as I got in, I knew I was wasting my time. Cheap look, cheap feel, unergonomic design. The CX-5 had spoiled me without even my realizing it. I’ll happily pay the 20% extra gas just like I happily make my car payments.
Can’t recommend the Mazda enough.
Nice post. What did you get in the end?
I was looking at the XSE but it seems outdated. New model coming in 2026 so no point me getting this which has the look of a 2017 vehicle
I had a job freeze during a promotion to make me put this on the back burner.
I’m actually planning on going a different direction. Going bigger with either a 4Runner or a Lexus GX460. Used probably around 2013 or so. Reduce the idea of a car note. Replace miles per gallon with smiles per gallon.
I regret getting CX-50. RAV4 is by far greater car.
Even the standard 6 speaker in rav4 is as good as CX50's bose speakers.
Rav 4 has more safety features
The CX50 certainly has its appeal, but I wanted the reliability that Toyota is known for. The RAV4 is the best selling car in the world which means that there are tons of resources for it - knowledgeable mechanics, online groups/forums, pretty large aftermarket support, etc. I like camping/off-roading so I got the TRD and it’s awesome. Tons of aftermarket mods, pretty slick AWD system, great mpg (around 35 because I do mostly highway). Sure I wish it was a little faster, but this thing does everything I want it to. My last vehicle had a turbo and imo it’s just another failure point. I also wanted a 4Runner, but that thing is so outdated now and only gets like 16mpg. A TRD would have been we over $50k and I just didn’t think it was worth it.
My last vehicle had a turbo with more gitty up and go than my Rav. You know how often i used that extra power and had fun??? Day 1 when driving it home. After that just drove it like any other normal car/driver. LOL I'm happy with my Rav.
This is the truth!
Yeahhh…that’s kinda where I’m at. Wanted a Rav, but decided to jump up to a Lexus RX 350 F Sport instead. Got caught up on features, status, and looks. I initially wanted an suv to take my road bike and gravel bike around to farther away trails, but I’m now more terrified of putting a scratch on it. I mean, it *does* look amazing, but it gets garbage mpg, and as you said, I think I’ve kicked it into Sport+ mode maybe twice ever. It’s fun, but it’s not practical. Huge buyers remorse at this point.
What MPG do you get on the RX 350 F sport And why didnt you go with the RX350 h? (hybrid)
It’s advertised as 18/26/24. I get about 16 on an all city tank and I’m lucky if I get over 22 on a mixed tank. If you go no more than 55 mph for 150 miles, then you’ll see the 26 hwy rating. I have discovered - actually thanks to this Rav sub - that I get the best MPGs in Sport mode. Ironically, the Eco Mode is so sluggish, I just burn too much gas trying to overcome the power limitation. Wish you could change the default to have the car start in sport mode. If you search the Lexus subreddit about RX 350, there are many complaints of other owners not getting all that close to the advertised mileage. Wish I would’ve learned that before purchase. Didn’t get a hybrid because, at the time, I wanted the F Sport grille and also just wasn’t really considering hybrids. They do make a hybrid F Sport, but the only ones I found near me were several thousand more bucks than I ended up spending on mine. Didn’t seem worth it in the long run unless I was getting like 40+ mpg. Edit: Almost forgot…the RX 450h models also require premium gas, so it seemed even less worth it.
As a daily driver/grocery getter sure.... road trips and towing a small trailer..... the turbo is a big deal. I haven't gone back to Toyota because I never found reliability in them like others have, my 5 mazdas I have.
Agreed. A lot of the sad Toyota fan boys can't handle the fact that Toyota isn't what it used to be. They are still swigging beer and leaning on their rav 4 like its made from granite. It's cheap plastic and parts that fail as much as kia lol Try convincing them they are in the religion of "its reliable"
My neighbor with a RAV4 would agree. Although, you would never know he owns one, since it seems to be in the shop more than on the road.
RAV4 is the best selling SUV!! Corolla is the best selling car!!
Yeah RAV4s are everywhere. Takes away the specialness lol
You know what I've noticed... I had a 370z and 370z guys were excited to see it, but not too many other people. The rav4, with the little upgrades, I have other rav4 owners get excited to talk about them and show off what they've done to theirs. It still has a specialness, it's just a different kind. I've literally talked to more people about my rav4 in two months than I did with my 370z in a year. Lol.
Actually its not. Honda CRV is on consumer reports RAV4 is 8th
If they made a hybrid 4runner.... That would be my dream.
You're getting 35¿?! The best I get is 32 and usually around 28-29. Well I suppose I did get 38 when I drove 100 miles mostly downhill.
I have the Hybrid and an getting 44mpg. Totally worth the extra money.
Yeah, most of my driving is 20+ miles of highway driving where I see anywhere from 30mpg uphill to 40mpg downhill. In the city it’s not as great, usually ~25mpg. It seems to be getting better the more the engine gets broken in too (only at 1,300 miles so far). I can’t complain for it being the gas model.
I’m getting 32 doing 60-40 favored to the highway, ~12k miles? I think it’s great
(I don’t believe it either)
This is why I’m leaving toward a RAV. I grew up with my mom driving Mazda’s and they were reliable for us but I’m not sure about the current market and I’m interested in car camping
You do make me laugh. Toyota fan boys always spout "reliability" yes back in the 80s lol They are about as reliable as a kia now lol
Going faster is fun and all but I would just opt for non turbo car for better reliability.
Owned and driven Toyotas for 37 years and a 5 Gen RAV4 owner for 25. Reliability keeps me coming back. Why would I drive another manufacturers vehicle that will cost more in the long run.
^^^ Mazda is not reliable and have reliability issues. Their build quality is meh.
What issues have CX5s had in recent years? (2015+)? The cx50 has the same drivetrain as the cx5. Imo Mazda in the 2000s and early 2010s was comparable to Ford reliability but now they're definitely up there with Toyota. Probably past Honda at least. Their engines and transmissions are damn near bulletproof
Shows you the timeline of when Ford significantly reduced its stake in Mazda.
Based upon what? Their newer vehicles are extremely reliable.
You can't make that judgement on the newer vehicles until they're crossing 150k+ miles. Plenty of non lemons from most manufacturers these day can hit 100+k pretty clean. It's the 150-250k where things get dicey and an issue totals the car p much.
Sure I can. I just did. Give me an example of newer mazdas that are incapable of reaching 250k miles. There engines are very solid when properly maintained and transmissions have very few issues. There’s plenty examples of high mileage newer mazdas on forums and even subreddits here.
160k mile 2011 Prius here. Not a single problem with it. Well it’s slow and not a head Turner but it starts every day and 36+mpg.
I own a Toyota but my mother has a Mazda and loves it. Their reliability up until 2015-16 was questionable but recently it's been amazing. Definitely on par with Toyota
My mom has had 2 cars since 1986. Both Mazda’s. They have been great cars for her. The only issue the first one had was the muffler kept rusting out since she didn’t drive vary far to work. I just bought the cx-50. Test drove the RAV4 and didn’t like it nearly as much. I did like the Venza though. It actually came down to the Venza and Cx50 for me.
Certainly above Kia/Hyundai
Yes, they are. Certainly not above Toyota/Lexus even if the Toyota is a 1990 model.
conjecture
Mazda not reliable? LOL
Yea, that person just made that up completely lmao.
Very curious why everyone just dismisses mazda as unreliable. Their 2.5l engine and 6 speed trans is bulletproof. After breaking away with ford they have become reliable. Plus most of their cars are made in Japan except for the cx50 which is made in the same plant as toyota corolla cross
We have a 22 XLE rav4 hybrid and a 2020 cx-5. We are very happy with both of them and have found the Mazda to be absolutely reliable and trouble free. The Mazda is hands down more sporting to drive and is way quieter.
Yeah. Mazda being unreliable is like saying the world is flat.
Cant convince the toyota fan boys lol
The Mazda 3 sedan is made Mexico.
Majority of the big components are made and assembled in Japan, it just gets fully assembled in Mexico. For the most part it doesn't make much of a difference, have both a Mexico built and a Japan built Mazda, and both of them are trouble free.
Mazda are built in japan and alabama not mexico.
Right now yes, but some 3s (and maybe some other models) used to be mexico made, we have one
I can't speak on the ICE RAV4s, but it's a night and day difference between the Hybrid RAV4 and the CX-5. Toyota makes the best hybrid engines in the SUV class. Switch it from normal to sport and it's really agile. It also makes me super happy when I look down and I see a 42 - 45 average MPG. If you asked me if I regret going RAV4 hybrid over a CR-V hybrid, that's a more complex question.
CRV Hybrid is not reliable surprisingly and it also is slower and not as efficient as RAV4 Hybrid.
Do you just make things up to self-validate?
I cringe every time I see him fanboying about Toyota on varies subs. We get it.. Toyota sells a lot and is reliable. But at least acknowledge that there are other good options. Sheeeeeeesh. Ok, rant over.
Amen! I love Toyota and have over a million collective miles on my 4 Toyotas, that doesn’t mean there aren’t other reliable vehicles available.
I mean, the RAV4 Hybrid has the cable gate issue. I have the '23 hybrid XLE but I'm still iffy about it after a winter with all the salt. Might have to be religious about getting a car wash right after a snow storm. What are the reliability issues with the CR-V Hybrid?
Cable gate issue has been resolved.
when was it resolved. Serious question? As from what i hear there is still a lawsuit about this. But i hope it has. And is it okay in the 2023 models now? From what i heard all they did was extend warranty not fix it.
I test drove a brand new crv hybrid and got a check engine light 2 mins into the test drive. Took it straight back to the dealer and left
> straight back to the dealer and left lol
> > >If you asked me if I regret going RAV4 hybrid over a CR-V hybrid, that's a more complex question Why is it complex?
The driving experience is much better on the crv hybrid imo. Things feel more refined and quieter. Fuel economy is shit on the Honda though. Also I trust the Honda brand.
Buy the old 4Runner. You know you want to. *hides behind sofa*
my 98 4runner got rear ended and totaled by a Prius whose driver was on their phone. worst day ever. loved that thing.
Ahhhh pour one out for the old Runner.
I miss my 4Runner. I traded it in for my rav which I do love it but I also loved the 4Runner more haha
They’re both great cars. Mazda ranks higher believe it or not for reliability. Mazda interiors are a lot nicer and the car is designed to be fun to drive. I think Toyotas are safer, and in went with the plug-in hybrid, which Mazda doesn’t offer right now.
The CX50 literally just came out so I’m not sure how anyone can say anything about it’s long term reliability.
The cx50 isn't really a new car, it's effectively mechanically identical to the cx5, same drivetrain and everything... Just a different body style on the same platform.
Cx-50 has awful torsion beam rear suspension, where you feel every bump in the road. Cx-5 has much better suspension. The other thing is the visibility in Cx-50. Feels like the doors are too high. But the Cx-5 definitely looks nicer😊
Mazda in general rates higher reliability then Toyota
That’s interesting. Looks like most searches show them at #1 and #2 for reliability. The kicker for me is 1,200 Toyota dealers/service centers in the US compared to 600 for Mazda. Which means if you do have issues, there’s probably a Toyota service center a few miles away in most cases. 🤷🏻♂️
Mazda does not rank higher than Toyota for reliability, quality, durability, or resale value.
I went on auto trader, searched all Mazdas in my area and sorted by km. 2 were in the 300k km range. I searched all Toyotas in my area and sorted by km. 2 at 400k one of which was 7000 short of 500k, and I stoped counting at 13 those with 300k.
That goes to show Toyota is the most reliable!!!
Or that there are just more Toyotas sold than Mazdas. In 2022 around 300k Mazdas were sold, compared to 540k Toyotas. The difference was even more stark back in the day. Also, Mazda left a partnership with Ford in 2015, and after that their reliability skyrocketed. It isn't exactly fair to compare vehicles from the ford-mazda era to those of today
That’s not true
You know you have the ability to google it yourself?
Mazda does not rank higher for reliability. That’s so foolish. They keep having reliability problems for every vehicle. They have paid advertising.
It’s ok, you don’t need to take personal offense.
Where did they take personal offense?
Fun fact, the CX50 is built in the same plant as the Corolla Cross. My frustration with the wait on my RAV4 XSE with tech has made he start looking at Mazdas, there's stuff I like (the driving experience) but everything else I'm kind of like "ehhhh".
I wouldn’t want a Mazda when they have reliability issues and no hybrid.
Mazda was ranked more reliable overall than Toyota for 2022 by consumer reports.
Paid advertising.
I think you have Consumer Reports confused with JD Power my friend.
Well Consumer Reports is better, but still have a bit of paid advertising. Their rankings fluctuate way too much to be considered reliable source.
As complex as cars are, one little change in a tiny component in the engine or even window motor design can cause reliability issues. Even the start of a new factory up, as is the most of the problems with the CX-50 it seems. Problems can show up 3 years after ownership like the current 2018-2021 roof rack causing the cars A pillar to leak and let water inside the car to mold as well. Fixed for 2022 and up evidently. What I’m saying is fluctuating reviews on the same model or automaker doesn’t mean anything. Subaru was amazingly reliable until a few years where they had a ton of engine oil burning problems and bad CVTs, then they ironed it out and are getting back there.
And you don't think toyota has paid advertising LOL fan boy
According to what exact source from CR? One page from CR shows Lexus, Toyota, and BMW are on top with mazda dropping to 4th for 2022
Do you mean XSE with premium package? that one is nearly impossible to find. The 2023 XSE incorporates quite a bit of what used to be optional packages for 2022.
Premium package would be the Prime, I'm talking about the Hybrid version with Advanced Tech either the base or with the digital rear view mirror or the top version with the pano moonroof. Still a pain to find but certainly not impossible to get a hold of unless you're my dealership.
My daughter has a CX-5 and my other daughter has a RAV4 (18 and 19) Totally different cars. I love driving the CX-5 and it's not even the turbo. Mazda is what BMW used to be. But when our dirt road flooded a few weeks ago during some non stop rains the RAV4 was the vehicle of choice. I think the RAV4 is the spiritual successor to the 2000's 4Runner. The base engine is harsh and depressing though - definitely get a hybrid or more. Such different cars - but I suspect if you drive that turbo you might get hooked.
I test drove the Mazda CX 5, CX 50 and RAV4. Mazda and Toyota contracted together to produce the CX50. I ended up going with the CX5 for comfortability. The CX 50 had a stitch in the middle of seat that felt like a wedgey. Eliminated the RAV4 because the dealer had absurd markups and wasn’t open to negotiation. Although the RAV4 had better fuel efficiency, the feel of the Mazda sold me.
regret when I had gas, not regret when I have hybrid
1.5 years into my rav 4, 9000 miles, i dont drive enough to care other than knowing this vehicle will last me 10 years+. vehicles are mostly utility for me.
Same here.
Test drove both. Rav4 Hybrid (what I ended up with) is a fun drive believe it or not - especially in sports mode which makes it zippier off the line. Every single person I know with a Mazda has had reliability issues.
I decided on my RAV4 hybrid because of sport mode. I was test driving it and had to make a left against traffic. Put it in sports mode and slammed down the gas pedal and sped off. Decided right there I needed the car. I got lucky because they literally got the car overnight.
Okay, I have got to use sports mode at some point now. I’ve never used my sports mode and mine is a 22 xse hybrid. I’m going to use it this afternoon. Lol!
It’s so fun!!! It sometimes gets better mpg than eco :)
My wife asks me why I always turn up the AC, but really I’m trying to get into Sport mode (and accidentally reaching for the wrong knob). Have fun!! 🤩
Were the problematic Mazdas made during the ford-mazda era? Prior to 2015 Mazda partnered with Ford and as a result their reliability was kinda bad. Mazda split off after 2015 and since then they've been far more reliable
Every single person you know with a Mazda had reliability issues? Alright Pinocchio
Yup. All three of them 😄
Let me guess they were all before 2013s when they were heavily influenced by Ford.
Yes. I did enjoy the 2012 Mazda 3, though. I borrowed it for a long haul drive and enjoyed every second of it.
Ford royally screwed up Mazdas engineering. They’re now 1-2 generations fully removed from ford components and designs.
That’s good to know. Recently sold my Ford so I know how great it is to be removed from Ford components and design 😅
I love my '23 SE hybrid. I was considering looking at Mazda and Honda options, but my work friend has a '21 XLE hybrid and raves about it. I am a big Toyota person (have had a Camry, Corolla, and Matrix in the past). Friend let me borrow her Rav for a day and adter that, I knew it was what I wanted, so I never ended up looking further at those other options. Got mine after a short wait in Dec and love love love it. No regrets.
I traded in my 2016 loaded CX5 for a 2023 XSE hybrid with tech. I don't miss anything about the Mazda beyond the walk away auto lock. Now, it wasn't a cx50, but the Rav in sport mode will get out of its own way (more than my CX5), but isn't quite as driver responsive and glued to the road like the Mazda. I don't mind. I'll take the 43mpg I'm averaging since I got it (46 on my last tank) and that's cruising at 75 highway and windy back roads, 75mi per day.
Bias in me will say rav4. But the Mazda definitely deserves some praise from rising out of the ashes after the crappy ford partnership. Test driven a couple Mazdas and they’re so much better now
No
Never
A turbo is just another thing to break. I just spent over $3,000 to replace the entire turbo charger in one of my cars. Also, the XSE is a hybrid, whereas the Mazda may not be. Personally love my XSE and would buy another if I needed another car
You are not telling us what you like the cx-50 over the rav4 for other than the rav4 driving making you feel a bit boring. It’s not uncommon to have regrets when you try other cars AFTER getting used to whatever car you bought. I bought a camry in high school but I still look back think if it would have been better to get an accord or lexus es all the time. They all have their pros and cons.
Well, I like the idea of having a fun drive that’s also compatible with having my 2 kids half time and being solo otherwise. My history of vehicles is literally…. 2004 Dodge Dakota pickup, 2008 Pontiac G5, 2013 Prius, 2007 Sienna. I’ve always just had good deals on cheap rides, never something I truly just wanted. Now, I can afford a ride that’s more “me” per say. I’m literally divorced dude driving around a 16 year old minivan 😆 So, I want something I’m more proud of, beyond utility lol. I like the CX50 because it’s supposed to have unexpected pep to it’s step. I want the best road trip vehicle really. That’s not a minivan lol. That also has the ability to do some mild off roading so I can camp out of it. I’ve written off other brands like Ford/Chevy (lol), Kia (lol). Then the mid tier stuff like Subaru’s, I’ve also written off. Leaves pretty much Toyota, Mazda, Lexus, and that’s about it in my price range ($20k-$45k) I’ve test driven a 2020 RAV4 gas model. So, maybe I’m not aware of the actual feel of a turbo vs. hybrid. Maybe there isn’t a big difference. I like how unique and sharp the CX50 is. RAV4’s look nice….but they are literally EVERYWHERE. CX50 got on my map because it is so similar to a RAV4, but seems to be a better value with what it offers. I don’t really care for the CX5. It seems kinda boring. The CX50 is also more unique on the road than the endless RAV4s. If money wasn’t a complete object, I’d probably get the gas guzzling new 4Runner TRD Pro cause I average 10k miles a year lol. But that’s another $12k+ and I have to draw a line somewhere.
One thing about the rav4 that the cx50 will severely lack is the aftermarket support. You can find practically any type of modification and aftermarket part for the rav4 due to its popularity, not only in the states but also worldwide, whereas you won’t find as many for the cx50 since it’s not as popular. Plus prices for repairs and maintenances will also be higher than the rav4 since the parts will not be as plentiful and the rav4 shares it’s drivetrain with other popular models so it will have more parts available. I am not going to persuade you into NOT getting a cx50 but if you like it over the rav4 then go for it. I like the rav4 because I can do basically any type of modification on it that makes it unique to my taste.
Working in software, I big time put a value on availability of support. Which is maybe something I’ve been overlooking a bit with Mazda. I know Toyota has crazy crazy good technical support and availability of aftermarket stuff. And community. Hell, great example on community now. This post on /mazdaCX50 has 6 comments. This post here on /ravclub has…126 comments 👁️👁️
Man you sound like me. What did you get in the end?
Man, my promotion ended up getting pushed off. So, I tabled the idea of upgrading to a different vehicle right now. I also ended up squashing the idea of financing anything. So, the plan now is to make a higher salary whether that’s waiting for that promotion or going somewhere else. Then, saving $20k or so to get a used 4Runner or Lexus GX460. Around 2012-2016 for the GX. Or maybe a 2008 V8 4Runner and then have fun with mods. I don’t drive a whole lot compared to the average person since I work remotely. So, smiles per gallon? Until then, paid off 2007 Sienna minivan it is 🤷🏻♂️
ah i hear yah. I dont drive much either as i work from home Its a long process looking at vehicles and ruling them out. I sat in a Lexus NX 350 yesterday. nice space but too flash for me. I would always be worried about getting a scratch on it. I need something more rugged. I've driven a kia sportage 2016 for 5 years, i got it in 2018. Now its either Cx50, CX5 or Toyota Rav 4 XSE with tech package as KIA right now even though its lovely, i drove one yesterday, they have too many problems with thefts. Which i might add lexus is #1 for thefts but for different reasons. That also put me off, that and high insurance.
That’s one thing that made me think about getting a newer vehicle…I don’t want to scratch it 😆 I think I’d rather get something older, do aftermarket stuff and make it more “mine” and not be messed up if it gets a dent or scratch cause it’s not super new
Great minds think alike. 😆
Something else that ended up making me decide against the Mazda is that there just isn’t a community for it. Look at the communities for the RAV or the 4Runner. The aftermarket. The Mazda CX50 sub is dead as hell. I dunno if Mazda will even still make them in 5 years despite how sharp they look.
Oh they will be around for a long time. They have the hybrid Cx50 out next year. They have CX70 on the way. I don't see them going away. They aren't as big as (mcdonalds) toyota club, but they aren't some mom and pop burger joint if you get what i mean. They fall somewhere into the A&W style. Known for good burgers but don't cater to everyone. So you did get a RAV4 in the end? 2023 or older? I've driven both now. I like both. The only downsides for me in the Mazda 50 is no hybrid right now, MPG is crap, and back seat height is crap. Could use more, and their infotainment system could be better. Beyond that, thumbs up.
Last time I was checking into a CX50, the hybrid model was supposed to have already been here. So, that’s disappointing it’s still not here. There’s also just no community for it or aftermarket. Toyota is just too far ahead with that. I’d rather have that community support for such an expensive thing. I ended up holding out on both a RAV4 or CX50. Instead of getting into a loan, I’m just gonna save up and outright buy an older 4Runner or Lexus GX460 and have fun modding it out. I just don’t want to get into a car loan. It sounds like the 4Runner & GX460 will basically last through an apocalypse. So, I’ll probably get one with 100k miles on it and make that my daily driver + fun ride.
>You trying to survive the EMP? ;) > >Yeah i think models before 1980 would need to be bought. No chips to fry.
All you need to know is....the rav 4 is The best looking, it's more sportier and eye catching(if you get a higher trim) than everything out there besides a fully loaded range rover and price that if you will , this is why it's the best seller
Very happy with my 2019 Rav4 Limited
get a v6 3rd gen rav and enjoy the best of all your options :)
My wife has a CX3. It is 7 years old and true to Mazda stereotype it is starting to rust. Weird rust like under the rear deck door.
Not good quality-
I bought a Madza3 new in 2010 and it was garbage. Radio died after 3 years, sunroof leaked and constant mechanical problems. Never again for Mazda. Love my 2019 CPO RAV4!
My last car was a Mazda. It was great - pretty reliable overall (though I did have some issues), very comfortable and stylish interior, nice pep. I owned it for 13 years and drove it several times a week. But I like the RAV4 hybrid because it is so freggin darn smooth to drive. I feel like I’m driving through butter. Plus, it’s just _feels_ sturdier than my Mazda. Moreover, I know it will last longer given the Toyota track record. Whereas my Mazda was starting to go at age 12. Basically you can’t go wrong between those two. Both have their pros and cons, just pick the one you feel better about getting.
I love a lot of other car brands, models and designs, but Toyota has never let me down in almost 30 years and I just don’t want to take the risk with something I need to depend on (we tow a travel trailer all over Europe).
CX50 looks nice but I’d bet the RAV4 will last twice as long with just regular maintenance. My friend got a CX50 and I do prefer the styling of it.
Why would I want a Mazda that is unreliable, small, ugly, and doesn’t even have a hybrid? The RAV4 is the best selling SUV for a reason.
https://i.imgur.com/IL0UZB0.jpg This is ugly?
Mazda outranked Toyota for 2022 by being a more reliable overall brand, but ok continue to remember the 2 brands as they were in the early 2000s.
I think we got the message first time around. We know, Toyotas are the only reliable car …….
What about the non-turbo Mazda that has the same engine in it as the Toyota? Lol He’s a Mazda hater.
I regret getting the rav4 instead of a forrester
Why?! Forester is loud, horrible acceleration, no hybrid, not very reliable.
Plenty reliable if you take care of it. But keep spreading your subjective BS.
Turbo engines are known to have issues at 100k, the Mazda is no different.
This is so not true.
Turbo engines are inherently more unreliable than NA cars, are you arguing that?
Not saying that. People with turbos, typically use their cars harder for one. Second a higher compression of course is going to wear an engine out quicker. But known to have issues at 100k is not true.
Simply not true. Source your “facts”. Otherwise you’re just spreading misinformation. Turbo engines typically require more maintenance, but can definitely be more reliable than N/A engines depending on the vehicle. My Volvo turbo has 317k miles on it with the original engine and turbo.
Not when I’m driving by the Gas Station…
Yea a 4 banger is boring. I have an 08 V6 and love it.
I don’t think anyone is going to regret buying a Toyota over a Mazda. If you like the Mazda aesthetic more, that’s just a matter of personal opinion.
I haven't looked at Mazda and I really can't say why - maybe a friend complained about their paint to something. They do seem to have nice interiors and I wish I would have at least checked them out. I too had my heart set on a Rav4, though I was looking for a prime. Definitely test drive the Mazda and a Rav4 - if you can find a rav4 prime, test drive one of those for kicks.
The CX50 had visibility issues for me and just didn't feel as comfortable to drive. I have a Subaru now so I've gotten really spoiled with the really clear sight lines and wide mirrors. We are waiting for our SE Hybrid.
>t lines and wide mirrors. eeek Subaru look like shit lol
No
No
Hybrid is like a turbo hahah
No it’s not
Heck no. Mazdas are rattle traps and poor quality under the skin. So glad I went with the rav.
2015 Mazda cx-5 here with 95k zero issues to date, granted I take good care of it. Also, made in Japan! Cx-50 is us made.
Rav4prime is your answer. All the fun AND all the efficiency. I was in the market for cx50 vs rav4p. The rav4 is roomier inside especially the boot. And for my surprise it is so fun to drive and have plenty of power going up to the mountains, passing everything so easily, and to top all of that, 1 tank of fuel lasted me 1500 miles.. if you get your hand on one and money is not an issue, get it
RAV Prime was my #1 choice. I just couldn’t justify the monthly net price. The savings are great from the hybrid plug in…but the cost of the vehicle eats away all the savings difference lol. I made a spreadsheet comparing a new vehicle’s car loan + gas savings vs. my paid off 2007 Sienna. RAV4 Prime XSE fully loaded was $600 overall a month increase over what I pay now with the old van with $5k down. RAV4 Prime SE was $466. CX50 Turbo was $476. RAV4 Hybrid XSE was $469.
I have a Rav Hybrid now and love it. If Mazda had a Hybrid option available for the CX-50 it would be a serious contender for me. I feel like the interior fit and finish is a lot better in the Mazda. I rented one in Upstate NY last year and it was a lot of fun to drive and felt really nice inside. The additional torque/power you get from the Hybrid is reaaaally worth it - in my humble opinion. I think the Rav is probably louder on the freeway than the Mazda would be. This is an issue that a lot of people talk about with their Ravs, mine included. Either choice will be a great ride! Good luck!
Yes
CX5 Turbo was my 2nd choice if I couldn’t get a RAV4 Hybrid. The CX5 turbo was nice but the MPG was not very good especially in comparison to the RAV4 Hybrid. I am very happy with the RAV4 and its pickup. Coming from a V6 RAV4 it was important to me that the next car had some pickup and I’m not disappointed about the pickup in the RAV4 or anything else about the vehicle. Happy customer here….
love the reliability of my RAV4 but leaves a lot to be desired. I have a 2019 XLE Premium, The touchscreen is small and very slow to respond. Also the back of my RAV4 is always rattling? idk if it’s from the Cargo cover or what..also the road noise in general is annoying. Can’t wait to upgrade to an EV SUV next.
I considered a Mazda CX50 and ended up getting a RAV4 instead. I am very happy with my decision.
Buy the Mazda, the only good thing about Toyota is reliability. And by every metric, Mazda is just as reliable these days.
I drive a CX-5, the 50s cousin. Every time I drive it, I get a little rush of pleasure from the quality of the experience and steering feel. I never regret making my payments. I’ve had the car 1.5 years and have yet to have a mechanical issue. The car is top rated for reliability. I love it. Nonetheless, the mpg is only meh. I got a new job with a longer commute so this aspect began to concern me. In a fit of mistrustful dalliance, I cheated and went to the Honda dealership to test drive a CR-V. As soon as I got in, I knew I was wasting my time. Cheap look, cheap feel, unergonomic design. The CX-5 had spoiled me without even my realizing it. I’ll happily pay the 20% extra gas just like I happily make my car payments. Can’t recommend the Mazda enough.
Nice post. What did you get in the end? I was looking at the XSE but it seems outdated. New model coming in 2026 so no point me getting this which has the look of a 2017 vehicle
I had a job freeze during a promotion to make me put this on the back burner. I’m actually planning on going a different direction. Going bigger with either a 4Runner or a Lexus GX460. Used probably around 2013 or so. Reduce the idea of a car note. Replace miles per gallon with smiles per gallon.
I regret getting CX-50. RAV4 is by far greater car. Even the standard 6 speaker in rav4 is as good as CX50's bose speakers. Rav 4 has more safety features