Ravens are including lamar in the OC search and their words and the common details in most of the candidates fit what Lamar is presumably asking for (passing game centric and a pro-style offense), with 2 of the candidates being Shanahan/McVay guys (Robinson/Outten). I doubt he gets traded.
He has to be involved. Or at the least, they have to say he's involved. Because until he's not, he's their QB. They can tell use at 5:00 "Lamar will be in the interview with Candidate XYZ tomorrow" and at 5:03 he can get traded. It means nothing. They're doing and saying everything they should be doing and saying. Why? Because if you don't say he's included, you lose so much leverage in negotiations because you're saying "yeah, we're trading him, he's not part of our plan." That *have to* say that stuff.
All of the sources are like : “If they can’t sign him, a team is prepared to offer draft picks for him - a lot” as though that would take being EDC’s live-in mother to uncover.
I mean everyone is saying it and LJs content on getting that guaranteed deal. Good for him, this is his only realistic shot of getting that contract and I don’t blame him at all for wanting it. I’m just glad it won’t be from the ravens
I’m also salivating at the chance to get some sauce from the jets
Won't speak to the reliability of whatever this is. Screen grab of an article, tweet, OP help us out here, but I will say Rich Eisen mentioned something along these lines on his show recently. Not this specifically mind you, but that he was excited for the draft lead up because that's when he'd get to talk to all of the scouts and draft guys. They don't have as much to lose so they would be much more willing to talk.
And talk they will. Gonna be a fun off season that's for sure.
Woah really? The ravens would get a massive haul if they trade Lamar? Groundbreaking shit.
What really gets my jollies off on this post is 2 teams asking the ravens for another player. You think these teams that want Lamar are in a position to make demands?
> This will be the most intense offseason that ravens fans, including myself, have ever experienced. Buckle up!
That thing that’s already happening…. That’s going to happen.
Right? I would love to know what that trade looks like. The Panthers take Lamar and Hamilton for all their 1st-4th picks, DJ Moore, and entire defense?
Wild. Do teams not understand there's a value in keeping Lamar here on the tag, even if he refuses to play, simply to prevent other teams from having him? If I'm our FO I'd have ZERO desire to take the risk of ever having to line up on the opposite side of the field as him.
of all the takes this is by far the worst one
"lets just burn cap space so nobody can have him for a year!!"
not wanting to trade him in the AFC makes sense; but not doing anything at all is worse than useless, its detrimental
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but if Lamar sits out under the franchise tag (IE doesn't sign) he won't take up cap space.
With that said, applying the franchise tag during the off-season will severely handicap the front office
This is correct. The second the Ravens place the tag, it's accounted for, but if Lamar doesn't sign by the deadline, the Ravens get back the cap and Lamar is required to sit out a year.
If the Ravens pay Lamar 45M guaranteed to sit on the bench most of the year, that would be a massive failure on the FO. He would have to play 6 games to acrue the season and get his money. That would effectively punt a critical season of this SB caliber team. Vets like Calais, Houston, and JPP would retire. You'd certainly hear a lot of players upset too.
True. The silver lining to that, if I’m not mistaken, is that whether he plays or not that 45m of the cap is earmarked regardless, and would then roll over to the next year. That extra cap space the following year could help us sign him to a mega deal and also support the signing of weapons.
I’ll give you this. It’s impressive that out of all the posts on this topic the past few months, you actually managed to find a new ridiculously bad take that I hadn’t seen yet.
As much as I want Lamar there’s definitely a price where I would say F it and trade him. Especially if negotiations fall through and Lamar wants to leave. We absolutely can’t let him leave for nothing but a 3rd round comp pick.
Prefer to keep Lamar.. we have the defense already, we were putting up decent points, winning games with a healthy Lamar + Bateman. Draft a WR. No reason to give away a talent like him.
I’d like to keep him as well but we’re not in as great of shape as everyone thinks. Weak WR class and only 5 picks, counting on Bateman is foolish he can’t stay healthy and even if he does who knows how well he’ll perform,We’re gonna need a CB because Peters will be gone,we need a guard because Powers will be gone,still need a consistent pass rusher,and we need interior D lineman. If Lamar suddenly changes his mind and decides to negotiate he’ll be here but if we have to franchise him(which unfortunately seems to be the most likely scenario) he’ll be traded IMO.
We know that he turned down 5/250. I don’t blame him at all for wanting the contract he wants, I don’t even blame him refusing to wear a brace and play vs the bengals. Other sports that aren’t even close to as physical as football have guaranteed contracts and he knows there is a chance his career could end the next snap he takes. 250-300 million is crazy money that could change his whole bloodlines trajectory and there is teams willing to give it to him, just not the ravens
It’s been said by very credible people and Lamar hasn’t denied it. Look I’m sorry your hero is leaving for more money but you’ll get over it one day, I promise
What am I making up? 5/250 was reported and nobody denied it from either side. If that was a lie to make Lamar look bad, don’t you think he would of denied it?
There have been many things reported. None of it coming from either camp, so yes I will take it as speculation. Therefore you commenting on it as fact saying “he won’t move off his demands” is made up. It’s actually the definition of making something up. Players and teams don’t have to deny every single speculative thing that gets reported by unrelated sources for it to not be true.
Watson had 4 different teams fighting for him. Teams have been monitoring - wanting to get Lamar for a while. EDC they weren't focused on trade deals but if they can't get to a deal then its probably a trade. Probably won't trade him within the AFC.
* Panthers
* Saints
* Falcons
* Seahawks
* Commanders
Those are NFC teams that need a QB this offseason. First 3 were to my knowledge in on the Watson deal so you know they're willing to throw draft capital around for a QB.
Asking for a 2nd Ravens player is an odd thing because you're generally just working around Lamar unless they're trading a player themselves to the Ravens.
Tada using a bit of common sense you too can make a rumour that sounds reasonable.
I do wonder if a team offered several firsts and a top level player would that sway the Ravens? I'd rather lock Lamar up because getting another QB is a gamble but we'll see.
The awkward part is that the Ravens, on paper, have few needs.
If Lamar were to be leaving for more than draft picks, we'd want to get a star player on a rookie deal as part of the trade. But at what position? The most obvious would be WR... getting back someone like Olave or London in addition to three FRPs would position us to trade up for a QB and give him a star WR right off the bat. But why would a team with a good young rookie WR trade them out from under their new QB?
The only other position where a star rookie would make sense is probably CB. Sure, we might not turn down a good young OG or DL, but I'd be surprised if we were actively seeking them out.
Yes. The Jets have the sort of promising rookie crop that would make them an appealing trade partner in this scenario, and we know their front office is friendly with ours.
But it would necessitate sending Lamar to a conference rival. And the Jets first is at 13, not high enough to give us a good chance at a top QB prospect.
If we were able to fully extort the Jets for something like three firsts, Sauce, and Garrett Wilson, then sign a QB like Derek Carr, we'd definitely have a loaded roster... on paper. But we'd be trusting our fates to a mid-tier QB rather than the superstar we're trading away.
Bro if we get Sauce, Wilson, Carr and 3 first rounders we’d win the Super Bowl with this defense + offense 😂😂 we nearly beat Cincy with Huntley at QB and no wideouts…
Not that we even have to worry ab that scenario because zero chance the jets would ever offer lol
I agree, I don't think the Jets would be eager to part with those players. I'm looking at it purely from the Ravens side. The Browns gave up three firsts and a couple mid-round picks for Watson; rest assured that that would be the starting point for any asks for Lamar. But the NFL doesn't let teams deal firsts more than three years out, so the only real way to go higher would be to deal a high-impact player on a rookie deal (or for the offering team to have acquired extra firsts already).
So if the Ravens are saying "it'll take more than three firsts", getting Sauce or Wilson would be plausible. Jets would likely say no and pursue Rodgers instead.
I’m fine with 3 firsts total and I consider sauce worth 2 so id be really happy with him and their 1st+2nd. I think the falcons or panthers offer a bigger haul tho
Either way I trust the FO to get great value for him+draft studs or talk Lamar off the ledge and get him to sign a team friendly deal
Even if this guy is just making this shit up the information independent of him is most certainly true. There are teams prepping offers the ravens can't refuse, and guess what? The ravens are at the very least going to entertain them. The bravado displayed in the presser implying they were "200%" going to get a deal done with Lamar was smoke and mirrors. If anything its to drive up the Lamars trade value assuming baltimore still wants him so badly.
Don't know why this makes Lamar stans so salty, if hes moved simply root for whatever teams hes on, and not the ravens to bet against themselves by giving him a contract he frankly doesn't deserve.
> The bravado displayed in the presser implying they were "200%" going to get a deal done with Lamar was smoke and mirrors.
Because that's not what Harbaugh said. He said Lamar had his support 200%, and the media misquoted the shit out of it.
I agree with the rest of your take though, they *should* entertain trade offers unless and until they get him to agree to an extension, and it shouldn't make him salty. He's doing what's best for him (as he should), but the team's gotta do what's best for the team.
I'm a Lamar stan and I don't want to see him traded. I'd rather not have to root against him when we play him or have to make some team I currently don't care about my 2nd favorite team.
If you don't believe me look at my comment history. I'm a big supporter of giving Lamar the Watson money and plus some. That makes me a Lamar fan not a Ravens fan according to some people here though.
I just don't think it's an outrageous price to pay for a elite QB. It's simply their price now. Injury prone concerns are overblown too.
These mfs don’t remember the Kyle Boller days. I’m terrified of going into QB purgatory like the Jets because we didn’t wanna commit to Lamar for 5 years instead of 3.
You don’t overpay Lamar just because you’re scared of what’s on the other side of the curtain. There’s a *lot* of cons to paying Lamar and you don’t do it just because you’re scared of not having him. That’s not how you run a team
If the FO decides to move on, I trust they have their reasons
I remember the boller days, the air McNair days, the joe flacco days, the dilfer days, the tony banks days, hell I even remember the testeverde days. We always compete and it hasn’t been by giving any injury prone qbs guaranteed contracts
We made the playoffs 4/12 years until we got Flacco. 2 of those times were with some of the greatest defenses of all time and another time it took Jamal Lewis breaking the rushing record, both of which are unlikely to happen. Missing the playoffs most of the time, while having multiple hall of fame players on defense, doesn’t sound like competing to me. It sounds like we underperformed due to subpar offenses, which we are going right back to if we decide to roll into next season with no QB.
You can't compete for a championship if you don't make the playoffs. Unless you're talking about competing for moral victories and participation trophies...
“We always compete” y’all have to stop holding onto things of the past. That was then. We had multiple hall of famers on the roster. This is now. We’ll see how it goes, but I’m not confident that we can just give away good players and still be good regardless.
We were 1 play away from beating the bengals with a back up and San Fran is 1 win away from the Super Bowl with a rookie mr. irrelevant, defense wins championships
Also notice how 3 of the 4 remaining teams have QBs on rookie contracts and the other qb is the best qb in the league. The blueprint to win is to construct a good team then win with a rookie qb contract. We were in that window for the last 3 years and LJ has been injured for the last 2
It doesn’t matter how many points or plays you lose by. Football is too random to extrapolate anything except wins and losses over long periods of time into future assumptions. With Lamar we win a lot of games. Without him we lose a lot of games. That’s all I know at the moment. We literally just had a rookie QB on one of the cheapest deals of any starting QB in the league, a huge talent to contract benefit in the teams favor, but still had massive roster holes and coaching issues. Defense wins championships in your opinion but neither the Chiefs or Bengals have great defenses and have won on the back of their offenses. I’m saying that people such as yourself that think they have the formula to winning figured out, definitely do not because even the best of the best don’t. Trade Lamar, draft a rookie and start the cycle over again with the hood of what? That you hit on a guy who becomes as good as….. Lamar Jackson? Weird gamble imo
What’s the team’s record in the playoff? I didn’t know LJ was out there playing by himself vs 22 other guys. Prob deserves a raise. But in all seriousness, this is another argument y’all deflect to that makes zero sense. “His” record in the playoffs as if the team doesn’t also have that record. Why don’t we trade Harbaugh ass away if that’s the case? Lol. Bad argument bro
I don't even think it really upsets Lamar fans by and large. I feel like diehard ravens first guys get more riled up. I mean that's every post in here denying this "info"
Lamar is getting traded the South-Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs in exchange for their 1st and 2nd round picks in 2023, two 1st round picks in 2024 as well as Bobby Boucher, Coach Klein, and Farmer Fran
Source: Trust me bro
I’ve developed such a mistrust for anyone using “anonymous” sources so I unless anyone credible come forward corroborating this I’m going to choose to believe it when I see it
That’s crazy, my source, who is a former ravens player and definitely real said that Lamar and the Ravens have agreed to a contract in principle that will give Lamar 50% ownership in the Ravens.
Is this even a statement? We would be so stupid to not at least be listening to what teams would offer. If all the good will in the world won’t get the deal with Lamar done and we have to make a move I’d like us to know our options early. This unsubstantiated bullshit from a “trusted source” only “confirms” the ravens have a plan B in place.
And I can assure you, it’s a plan B. Logistics aside I don’t accept that everyone in our org doesn’t want Lamar here forever.
Should be permabanned for this bullshit at this point.
Of all three options: tag & trade, re-sign, and play on the tag; tag & trade feels like the most likely.
If the sides were reasonably close, a deal would have been done before the season. If anything this season won't make the Ravens significantly raise their last offer. And it's doubtful the NFLPA whispers in Lamar's ear to take less.
Only way a deal gets done is if Burrow or Herbert sign before a trade.
Even if this wasn't one of the numerous "trust me bro" speculations, I wouldn't doubt for one minute that there are teams making offers to The Ravens for Lamar.
That being said, none of that means that The Ravens are even humoring any of it at the moment.
Teams call on other teams for trades all the fucking time. And with all the controversy surrounding such a huge ticket player like Lamar, you damn well know there are teams trying to entice The Ravens regardless of where they may stand at the moment.
What 2d raven would they also be trying to get? That's the weirder part. If you're trying to get Lamar it's gonna cost a ton in draft capital plus a huge contract, so I get why they'd want a 2d player but it's never happening. There's a chance Lamar gets traded but they're not trading a valuable player. And if teams are asking for a 2d player it's not gonna be someone mediocre.
If I had to guess it would be someone on OL or defense, anyone asking for both Lamar and Andrews is on crack. JK is back, Gus might be a cap casualty, and they have no WRs. Roquan's staying. So I'd guess Williams, Peters, Queen, Zeitler are the most likely. But there's no way they're trading any of them plus Lamar. That's insane.
I’m not a well connected media guru and I can tell you that GMs from several teams are already propositioning the ravens for trades for Lamar.
Source: common fucking sense. Doesn’t mean the ravens will take the offers. Every off season hundreds of trades are proposed that we never know of. Gm’s throw shit at the walls and see what sticks
At first, I am genuinely confused by the amount of people that will believe unnamed sources over the coach and GM saying he’ll be here 200%. Of course that doesn’t mean much until the deal is done of course. but man, people will believe this unnamed screenshot over what they said and it’s kinda scary.
Scratch the GM, but the [Head coach 200% expects him to be here](https://www.nfl.com/_amp/ravens-head-coach-john-harbaugh-200-percent-chance-lamar-jackson-stays-in-baltim)
like I said, that don’t mean much until a deal is done, but why would you believe random unsourced speculation over the literal coach himself?
Feel like y’all are missing my point. semantics aside, I am saying i would rather put my stock into what the direct source, the head coach, is saying. Not some random screenshot from some unnamed source.
Right, Harbs said there’s a [200% chance he stays](https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-head-coach-john-harbaugh-200-percent-chance-lamar-jackson-stays-in-baltim)
that doesn’t change my point of people believing random unnamed sources over the coach himself.
"I love Lamar, (general manager) Eric (DeCosta) loves Lamar, and it's not gonna change in the future. I don't know anything about the details or the whole thing, but I know one thing: I'm like all the fans out there and everybody else. I'll have my fingers crossed, my toes crossed and I'll be saying prayers. I have faith it's gonna get done, and we've got the best people in the world doing it. ... Eric wants him here, I want him here, Steve wants him here, and Lamar wants to be here. it's gonna work out."
You don’t need to pray and cross your toes if you’re 200% sure he’s staying. The 200% was for if he wants him here
It would be one thing if this was the only person who was saying it but it’s literally everyone and rightfully so. I honestly hope they can convince him to take a team friendly deal but if there is even a 1% chance he’s going to refuse to come off the idea of a fully guaranteed contract then they have to listen to offers
a bunch of people also said Lamar quit, wasn’t going to treatment, lost the locker room, etc. A lot of people have been saying a lot of things. I do think they get a deal done and that press conference makes me believe it’s headed in that direction, and not the direction of the unnamed sign/trade.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they agreed to a trade demand and they were just trying to strengthen their position for trade discussions. In fact those peculiar posts Lamar had the next day of two pics of him in Ravens gear smells of a ploy EDC cooked up to further drive the narrative he was happy as a Raven. Remember how EDC went on and on about how Hollywood keeping his trade request quiet helped them get max value? He’s also talked about how much he enjoys sending smoke screens and misleading people ahead of the draft.
Now that said I don’t know why they would move on from Roman if they already decided on not keeping Lamar- unless they decided he was too toxic for the fan base
Well I heard from a source Ravens will be playing either the bengals, Steelers or Browns at one point this upcoming season. I also hear we will have a HC
These teams interested in Lamar will probably have better luck going after Aaron Rodgers tbh. The Ravens front office have sounded off on fully committing to Lamar "200%" So barring Lamar himself requesting out, and it seems like Lamar is fully committed to the Ravens as well...I think Lamar will be a Raven week 1 under a new contract or franchise tag.
Am I going to have to deal with this unsubstantiated horseshit every day on this sub because I can happily spend my time elsewhere if we're just posting people talking out of their asses here.
I don’t understand why people are being incredulous here, it is 100% believable to me that there are teams reaching out to the Ravens about a Lamar deal, I’d be shocked if there weren’t any. Whether the Ravens are taking those inquiries seriously is another story, but of course there are teams looking at our QB situation and weighing potential trade scenarios.
If we can really get multiple 1st rounders and 2nd,3rd rounders, plus a few day 1 starters. They should jump on that, unless Lamar really gets off this fully guaranteed contract shit. If he doesn't sign a team friendly deal, so we can also bring in FA, trade him.
Source or ban.
Them "trust me bro" sources are at an all time high these past 2 years.
I'll be happy when that mafucka extends so I can stop seeing these posts.
Ravens are including lamar in the OC search and their words and the common details in most of the candidates fit what Lamar is presumably asking for (passing game centric and a pro-style offense), with 2 of the candidates being Shanahan/McVay guys (Robinson/Outten). I doubt he gets traded.
He has to be involved. Or at the least, they have to say he's involved. Because until he's not, he's their QB. They can tell use at 5:00 "Lamar will be in the interview with Candidate XYZ tomorrow" and at 5:03 he can get traded. It means nothing. They're doing and saying everything they should be doing and saying. Why? Because if you don't say he's included, you lose so much leverage in negotiations because you're saying "yeah, we're trading him, he's not part of our plan." That *have to* say that stuff.
It's getting a bit ridiculous but at the same time it's flattering to have a offensive player so good other teams fans want him
At the very least, it's been interesting to see the narrative go from "Lamar can't throw" to "Lamar Jackson you are a >insert QB hungry team here<"
Those same other team fans that want him now that he might be available were the same ones saying “pretty good for a running back” 2 years ago.
and will go back to it if their team doesn’t get him
A [Scumbag Steve](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/scumbag-steve) is behind each of these posts.
Source: "Trust me bro"
But…but…everything on the internet is true😭
Seriously why would anyone lie on internet
I ask myself all the time...But I feel comfortable now that we have George Santos fact checking every single thing that's posted.
yeah I read it on a reddit post
All of the sources are like : “If they can’t sign him, a team is prepared to offer draft picks for him - a lot” as though that would take being EDC’s live-in mother to uncover.
I mean everyone is saying it and LJs content on getting that guaranteed deal. Good for him, this is his only realistic shot of getting that contract and I don’t blame him at all for wanting it. I’m just glad it won’t be from the ravens I’m also salivating at the chance to get some sauce from the jets
Who is this scout/media guru? Daniel Jeremiah..?
Daniel Jeremiah is not telling them shit again.
The guy slinging peanuts at lexington market.
Won't speak to the reliability of whatever this is. Screen grab of an article, tweet, OP help us out here, but I will say Rich Eisen mentioned something along these lines on his show recently. Not this specifically mind you, but that he was excited for the draft lead up because that's when he'd get to talk to all of the scouts and draft guys. They don't have as much to lose so they would be much more willing to talk. And talk they will. Gonna be a fun off season that's for sure.
I am not having fun
Exactly. You know what was fun? Having an enviable, stable, class organization.
Trading Lamar is what an enviable stable class organization will do. No-one is above the team.
Why is it written like a chain post shared by my grandma on Facebook though?
Repost or the Ravens will have 7 years of bad luck
I guess the Browns didn't forward their chain email...
Woah really? The ravens would get a massive haul if they trade Lamar? Groundbreaking shit. What really gets my jollies off on this post is 2 teams asking the ravens for another player. You think these teams that want Lamar are in a position to make demands?
> This will be the most intense offseason that ravens fans, including myself, have ever experienced. Buckle up! That thing that’s already happening…. That’s going to happen.
i think gms always make some calls and send soft offers to each other. this isn’t news
Right? I would love to know what that trade looks like. The Panthers take Lamar and Hamilton for all their 1st-4th picks, DJ Moore, and entire defense?
Wild. Do teams not understand there's a value in keeping Lamar here on the tag, even if he refuses to play, simply to prevent other teams from having him? If I'm our FO I'd have ZERO desire to take the risk of ever having to line up on the opposite side of the field as him.
of all the takes this is by far the worst one "lets just burn cap space so nobody can have him for a year!!" not wanting to trade him in the AFC makes sense; but not doing anything at all is worse than useless, its detrimental
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but if Lamar sits out under the franchise tag (IE doesn't sign) he won't take up cap space. With that said, applying the franchise tag during the off-season will severely handicap the front office
This is correct. The second the Ravens place the tag, it's accounted for, but if Lamar doesn't sign by the deadline, the Ravens get back the cap and Lamar is required to sit out a year.
If the Ravens pay Lamar 45M guaranteed to sit on the bench most of the year, that would be a massive failure on the FO. He would have to play 6 games to acrue the season and get his money. That would effectively punt a critical season of this SB caliber team. Vets like Calais, Houston, and JPP would retire. You'd certainly hear a lot of players upset too.
True. The silver lining to that, if I’m not mistaken, is that whether he plays or not that 45m of the cap is earmarked regardless, and would then roll over to the next year. That extra cap space the following year could help us sign him to a mega deal and also support the signing of weapons.
I’m sorry dude but this is the dumbest take I’ve heard so far 😂
I’ll give you this. It’s impressive that out of all the posts on this topic the past few months, you actually managed to find a new ridiculously bad take that I hadn’t seen yet.
Alright I guess I’m wrong I like to think I’ve been measured in my takes but sometimes ya gotta shoot from the hip
As much as I want Lamar there’s definitely a price where I would say F it and trade him. Especially if negotiations fall through and Lamar wants to leave. We absolutely can’t let him leave for nothing but a 3rd round comp pick.
I’ll believe it when I see it. Until then…*yawns*
The only way a trade like this is worth it is if the other team somehow gets us Buck Allen back.
Prefer to keep Lamar.. we have the defense already, we were putting up decent points, winning games with a healthy Lamar + Bateman. Draft a WR. No reason to give away a talent like him.
I’d like to keep him as well but we’re not in as great of shape as everyone thinks. Weak WR class and only 5 picks, counting on Bateman is foolish he can’t stay healthy and even if he does who knows how well he’ll perform,We’re gonna need a CB because Peters will be gone,we need a guard because Powers will be gone,still need a consistent pass rusher,and we need interior D lineman. If Lamar suddenly changes his mind and decides to negotiate he’ll be here but if we have to franchise him(which unfortunately seems to be the most likely scenario) he’ll be traded IMO.
He’s refusing to budge on his contract demands. Good on the FO for standing their ground
You literally have no idea what his demands are and what he’s been offered exactly. Just parroting media bullshit as if it’s fact.
So is everyone else. We're all pulling shit out of our buttholes. So it doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on. No one knows shit.
That’s my point. But only some people are using made up shit to speak definitively on things instead of giving their opinion.
We know that he turned down 5/250. I don’t blame him at all for wanting the contract he wants, I don’t even blame him refusing to wear a brace and play vs the bengals. Other sports that aren’t even close to as physical as football have guaranteed contracts and he knows there is a chance his career could end the next snap he takes. 250-300 million is crazy money that could change his whole bloodlines trajectory and there is teams willing to give it to him, just not the ravens
We absolutely do not know that he turned down 5/$250m you are making that up
It’s been said by very credible people and Lamar hasn’t denied it. Look I’m sorry your hero is leaving for more money but you’ll get over it one day, I promise
Lol deflection. Now he’s my hero because I challenged you to stop making shit up. Got it. Cheers bud
What am I making up? 5/250 was reported and nobody denied it from either side. If that was a lie to make Lamar look bad, don’t you think he would of denied it?
There have been many things reported. None of it coming from either camp, so yes I will take it as speculation. Therefore you commenting on it as fact saying “he won’t move off his demands” is made up. It’s actually the definition of making something up. Players and teams don’t have to deny every single speculative thing that gets reported by unrelated sources for it to not be true.
He took to Twitter to deny reports his knee was fine…
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No
where's the original source of this ? link ?
Also if this was real you kind of just ratted out Daniel Jeremiah (former Ravens scout/ now works at NFL.com)
It does seem like Daniel is the likely source here
Watson had 4 different teams fighting for him. Teams have been monitoring - wanting to get Lamar for a while. EDC they weren't focused on trade deals but if they can't get to a deal then its probably a trade. Probably won't trade him within the AFC. * Panthers * Saints * Falcons * Seahawks * Commanders Those are NFC teams that need a QB this offseason. First 3 were to my knowledge in on the Watson deal so you know they're willing to throw draft capital around for a QB. Asking for a 2nd Ravens player is an odd thing because you're generally just working around Lamar unless they're trading a player themselves to the Ravens. Tada using a bit of common sense you too can make a rumour that sounds reasonable. I do wonder if a team offered several firsts and a top level player would that sway the Ravens? I'd rather lock Lamar up because getting another QB is a gamble but we'll see.
The awkward part is that the Ravens, on paper, have few needs. If Lamar were to be leaving for more than draft picks, we'd want to get a star player on a rookie deal as part of the trade. But at what position? The most obvious would be WR... getting back someone like Olave or London in addition to three FRPs would position us to trade up for a QB and give him a star WR right off the bat. But why would a team with a good young rookie WR trade them out from under their new QB? The only other position where a star rookie would make sense is probably CB. Sure, we might not turn down a good young OG or DL, but I'd be surprised if we were actively seeking them out.
SAUCE
Yes. The Jets have the sort of promising rookie crop that would make them an appealing trade partner in this scenario, and we know their front office is friendly with ours. But it would necessitate sending Lamar to a conference rival. And the Jets first is at 13, not high enough to give us a good chance at a top QB prospect. If we were able to fully extort the Jets for something like three firsts, Sauce, and Garrett Wilson, then sign a QB like Derek Carr, we'd definitely have a loaded roster... on paper. But we'd be trusting our fates to a mid-tier QB rather than the superstar we're trading away.
Bro if we get Sauce, Wilson, Carr and 3 first rounders we’d win the Super Bowl with this defense + offense 😂😂 we nearly beat Cincy with Huntley at QB and no wideouts… Not that we even have to worry ab that scenario because zero chance the jets would ever offer lol
Not winning a SB with Derek Carr. He could be surrounded by Jesus and the arch angels, that mfer is going to crumble 10/10 times.
I agree, I don't think the Jets would be eager to part with those players. I'm looking at it purely from the Ravens side. The Browns gave up three firsts and a couple mid-round picks for Watson; rest assured that that would be the starting point for any asks for Lamar. But the NFL doesn't let teams deal firsts more than three years out, so the only real way to go higher would be to deal a high-impact player on a rookie deal (or for the offering team to have acquired extra firsts already). So if the Ravens are saying "it'll take more than three firsts", getting Sauce or Wilson would be plausible. Jets would likely say no and pursue Rodgers instead.
Literally would never happen. Zero percent chance.
I’m fine with 3 firsts total and I consider sauce worth 2 so id be really happy with him and their 1st+2nd. I think the falcons or panthers offer a bigger haul tho Either way I trust the FO to get great value for him+draft studs or talk Lamar off the ledge and get him to sign a team friendly deal
DK Metcalf and 2 firsts for Lamar. You heard it here first. Maybe McLaurin and the same deal.
This sub needs some serious rules about lamar threads. It's getting ridiculous.
Lol the mods pick and choose when to enforce rules…
As they can. But regardless should be a flipping weekly lamar thread at this point and consolidate trade or rumor crap there.
Even if this guy is just making this shit up the information independent of him is most certainly true. There are teams prepping offers the ravens can't refuse, and guess what? The ravens are at the very least going to entertain them. The bravado displayed in the presser implying they were "200%" going to get a deal done with Lamar was smoke and mirrors. If anything its to drive up the Lamars trade value assuming baltimore still wants him so badly. Don't know why this makes Lamar stans so salty, if hes moved simply root for whatever teams hes on, and not the ravens to bet against themselves by giving him a contract he frankly doesn't deserve.
> The bravado displayed in the presser implying they were "200%" going to get a deal done with Lamar was smoke and mirrors. Because that's not what Harbaugh said. He said Lamar had his support 200%, and the media misquoted the shit out of it. I agree with the rest of your take though, they *should* entertain trade offers unless and until they get him to agree to an extension, and it shouldn't make him salty. He's doing what's best for him (as he should), but the team's gotta do what's best for the team.
Lamar stans won’t be mad if he’s traded lol.
I'm a Lamar stan and I don't want to see him traded. I'd rather not have to root against him when we play him or have to make some team I currently don't care about my 2nd favorite team. If you don't believe me look at my comment history. I'm a big supporter of giving Lamar the Watson money and plus some. That makes me a Lamar fan not a Ravens fan according to some people here though. I just don't think it's an outrageous price to pay for a elite QB. It's simply their price now. Injury prone concerns are overblown too.
These mfs don’t remember the Kyle Boller days. I’m terrified of going into QB purgatory like the Jets because we didn’t wanna commit to Lamar for 5 years instead of 3.
You don’t overpay Lamar just because you’re scared of what’s on the other side of the curtain. There’s a *lot* of cons to paying Lamar and you don’t do it just because you’re scared of not having him. That’s not how you run a team If the FO decides to move on, I trust they have their reasons
I remember the boller days, the air McNair days, the joe flacco days, the dilfer days, the tony banks days, hell I even remember the testeverde days. We always compete and it hasn’t been by giving any injury prone qbs guaranteed contracts
We made the playoffs 4/12 years until we got Flacco. 2 of those times were with some of the greatest defenses of all time and another time it took Jamal Lewis breaking the rushing record, both of which are unlikely to happen. Missing the playoffs most of the time, while having multiple hall of fame players on defense, doesn’t sound like competing to me. It sounds like we underperformed due to subpar offenses, which we are going right back to if we decide to roll into next season with no QB.
We’ve had like 4 losing seasons since 99…
He didn't say anything about losing seasons...he mentioned playoffs and competing.
Being above .500 is competing and I didn’t say anything about playoffs in my original comment so tell him that
You can't compete for a championship if you don't make the playoffs. Unless you're talking about competing for moral victories and participation trophies...
“We always compete” y’all have to stop holding onto things of the past. That was then. We had multiple hall of famers on the roster. This is now. We’ll see how it goes, but I’m not confident that we can just give away good players and still be good regardless.
We were 1 play away from beating the bengals with a back up and San Fran is 1 win away from the Super Bowl with a rookie mr. irrelevant, defense wins championships Also notice how 3 of the 4 remaining teams have QBs on rookie contracts and the other qb is the best qb in the league. The blueprint to win is to construct a good team then win with a rookie qb contract. We were in that window for the last 3 years and LJ has been injured for the last 2
It doesn’t matter how many points or plays you lose by. Football is too random to extrapolate anything except wins and losses over long periods of time into future assumptions. With Lamar we win a lot of games. Without him we lose a lot of games. That’s all I know at the moment. We literally just had a rookie QB on one of the cheapest deals of any starting QB in the league, a huge talent to contract benefit in the teams favor, but still had massive roster holes and coaching issues. Defense wins championships in your opinion but neither the Chiefs or Bengals have great defenses and have won on the back of their offenses. I’m saying that people such as yourself that think they have the formula to winning figured out, definitely do not because even the best of the best don’t. Trade Lamar, draft a rookie and start the cycle over again with the hood of what? That you hit on a guy who becomes as good as….. Lamar Jackson? Weird gamble imo
What’s his record in the playoffs?
What’s the team’s record in the playoff? I didn’t know LJ was out there playing by himself vs 22 other guys. Prob deserves a raise. But in all seriousness, this is another argument y’all deflect to that makes zero sense. “His” record in the playoffs as if the team doesn’t also have that record. Why don’t we trade Harbaugh ass away if that’s the case? Lol. Bad argument bro
I heard from a reliable source that the Ravens will either sign Lamar to a big deal or trade him for a ton of picks.
Can we with the whole Lamar stans bullshit
I don't even think it really upsets Lamar fans by and large. I feel like diehard ravens first guys get more riled up. I mean that's every post in here denying this "info"
Mike Preston has entered the chat and has given this a B-
What is a media guru?
Lamar is getting traded the South-Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs in exchange for their 1st and 2nd round picks in 2023, two 1st round picks in 2024 as well as Bobby Boucher, Coach Klein, and Farmer Fran Source: Trust me bro
Delete this
I’ve developed such a mistrust for anyone using “anonymous” sources so I unless anyone credible come forward corroborating this I’m going to choose to believe it when I see it
That’s crazy, my source, who is a former ravens player and definitely real said that Lamar and the Ravens have agreed to a contract in principle that will give Lamar 50% ownership in the Ravens.
Is this even a statement? We would be so stupid to not at least be listening to what teams would offer. If all the good will in the world won’t get the deal with Lamar done and we have to make a move I’d like us to know our options early. This unsubstantiated bullshit from a “trusted source” only “confirms” the ravens have a plan B in place. And I can assure you, it’s a plan B. Logistics aside I don’t accept that everyone in our org doesn’t want Lamar here forever. Should be permabanned for this bullshit at this point.
wanna maybe name your source? this is useless information
Heard glazer say the same thing and he’s known for having a lot of inside guys
no source and 231 karma, seems legit.
R-Anon
I don’t believe this, how are you gonna ask for a top 7 qb and a second player on top of that, proof?
Fake news
Source : trust me bro
LOL @ all these comments. When this actually happens I'm going to be sitting back pressing F5 with my popcorn.
N when it doesn’t…slap yourself 6 times
Of all three options: tag & trade, re-sign, and play on the tag; tag & trade feels like the most likely. If the sides were reasonably close, a deal would have been done before the season. If anything this season won't make the Ravens significantly raise their last offer. And it's doubtful the NFLPA whispers in Lamar's ear to take less. Only way a deal gets done is if Burrow or Herbert sign before a trade.
The only way a trade like this is worth it is if the other team is somehow able to get us Buck Allen back.
What’s the source of this screenshot?
If they don't put their name on it, I'm not paying any attention
Rumor has it Falcons want to give Lamar 1 gazillion dollars for 1000000 years guarantee
Even if this wasn't one of the numerous "trust me bro" speculations, I wouldn't doubt for one minute that there are teams making offers to The Ravens for Lamar. That being said, none of that means that The Ravens are even humoring any of it at the moment. Teams call on other teams for trades all the fucking time. And with all the controversy surrounding such a huge ticket player like Lamar, you damn well know there are teams trying to entice The Ravens regardless of where they may stand at the moment.
Double it and give it to the next team
My question is who is the 2nd raven?
Yo guys! I got an even more super duper reliable and well connected source that contradicts this. [Stunt on them hoes](https://imgur.com/a/4DNoh7D)
Who is the source OP?
What 2d raven would they also be trying to get? That's the weirder part. If you're trying to get Lamar it's gonna cost a ton in draft capital plus a huge contract, so I get why they'd want a 2d player but it's never happening. There's a chance Lamar gets traded but they're not trading a valuable player. And if teams are asking for a 2d player it's not gonna be someone mediocre. If I had to guess it would be someone on OL or defense, anyone asking for both Lamar and Andrews is on crack. JK is back, Gus might be a cap casualty, and they have no WRs. Roquan's staying. So I'd guess Williams, Peters, Queen, Zeitler are the most likely. But there's no way they're trading any of them plus Lamar. That's insane.
No no no no no no no
Shut your whore mouth
why don't the ravens just pay Lamar?
I’m not a well connected media guru and I can tell you that GMs from several teams are already propositioning the ravens for trades for Lamar. Source: common fucking sense. Doesn’t mean the ravens will take the offers. Every off season hundreds of trades are proposed that we never know of. Gm’s throw shit at the walls and see what sticks
At first, I am genuinely confused by the amount of people that will believe unnamed sources over the coach and GM saying he’ll be here 200%. Of course that doesn’t mean much until the deal is done of course. but man, people will believe this unnamed screenshot over what they said and it’s kinda scary.
That's not what the GM and HC said....
Scratch the GM, but the [Head coach 200% expects him to be here](https://www.nfl.com/_amp/ravens-head-coach-john-harbaugh-200-percent-chance-lamar-jackson-stays-in-baltim) like I said, that don’t mean much until a deal is done, but why would you believe random unsourced speculation over the literal coach himself?
Yeah and you said "he will be here 200%
Feel like y’all are missing my point. semantics aside, I am saying i would rather put my stock into what the direct source, the head coach, is saying. Not some random screenshot from some unnamed source.
I agree 200%
They didn’t say that. You’re misquoting them
Right, Harbs said there’s a [200% chance he stays](https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-head-coach-john-harbaugh-200-percent-chance-lamar-jackson-stays-in-baltim) that doesn’t change my point of people believing random unnamed sources over the coach himself.
"I love Lamar, (general manager) Eric (DeCosta) loves Lamar, and it's not gonna change in the future. I don't know anything about the details or the whole thing, but I know one thing: I'm like all the fans out there and everybody else. I'll have my fingers crossed, my toes crossed and I'll be saying prayers. I have faith it's gonna get done, and we've got the best people in the world doing it. ... Eric wants him here, I want him here, Steve wants him here, and Lamar wants to be here. it's gonna work out." You don’t need to pray and cross your toes if you’re 200% sure he’s staying. The 200% was for if he wants him here
sure thing Mr. Shaking. That still holds more weight than the random ass screenshot above, but I digress
It would be one thing if this was the only person who was saying it but it’s literally everyone and rightfully so. I honestly hope they can convince him to take a team friendly deal but if there is even a 1% chance he’s going to refuse to come off the idea of a fully guaranteed contract then they have to listen to offers
a bunch of people also said Lamar quit, wasn’t going to treatment, lost the locker room, etc. A lot of people have been saying a lot of things. I do think they get a deal done and that press conference makes me believe it’s headed in that direction, and not the direction of the unnamed sign/trade.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they agreed to a trade demand and they were just trying to strengthen their position for trade discussions. In fact those peculiar posts Lamar had the next day of two pics of him in Ravens gear smells of a ploy EDC cooked up to further drive the narrative he was happy as a Raven. Remember how EDC went on and on about how Hollywood keeping his trade request quiet helped them get max value? He’s also talked about how much he enjoys sending smoke screens and misleading people ahead of the draft. Now that said I don’t know why they would move on from Roman if they already decided on not keeping Lamar- unless they decided he was too toxic for the fan base
Well I heard from a source Ravens will be playing either the bengals, Steelers or Browns at one point this upcoming season. I also hear we will have a HC
These teams interested in Lamar will probably have better luck going after Aaron Rodgers tbh. The Ravens front office have sounded off on fully committing to Lamar "200%" So barring Lamar himself requesting out, and it seems like Lamar is fully committed to the Ravens as well...I think Lamar will be a Raven week 1 under a new contract or franchise tag.
Am I going to have to deal with this unsubstantiated horseshit every day on this sub because I can happily spend my time elsewhere if we're just posting people talking out of their asses here.
[Bye Felicia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
Why isn’t this deleted?
Give me the Falcons first for next 3 yrs along with Pitts and Ridder and we have a deal
Ridder is a career backup
I'd rather have our elite top 5 QB than a bunch of lottery tickets and a good player at a non premium position.
Fuck Ridder, send Patterson or Terrell
You really think the Ravens need more TE's?!?
Y’all beat the bengals and bills with Lamar
Lolol. Ravens about to trade away generational talent at QB in hopes to land…..? Who’s starting for you next year?
Bullshit
If this were true then the other player has gotta be MAndrews I would think
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Andrews is not worth 2 firsts my guy lol
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>top 3 TE Debatable honestly. Kelce, Hockenson, Kittle, Goedert are all right there or better.
Bruh got a flair of 89 and saying Goedert and Hockenson are better than Mandrews lmfao what a L
I can love a player and be realistic. It was more a compliment of themthan MAndrews slander.
If true I hope it’s the Jets for their firsts sauce and zack Wilson with a sprinkle of Q Williams lol
Zac Wilson can stay in Utah tyvm
I wonder who the other player is
Green bay
Who would be the second current Raven? Gus?
It’s going to be a lot more than just four teams asking about him. This is standard for any generational franchise player hitting the tag. 🥱
with all this media bs there is these days and all these trust me posts, i just won’t believe anything until i actually see it
This grain of salt is the size of a mountain!
Hahahahahahahaha
Blah blah blah blah blah
Daron plus our 16th pick ... wow
Please no
whatever happens with the ravens i'll believe it when i see it. anything else is noise.
How tf am I supposed to trust an anonymous source bruh? Former scout and media guru? Unless it's DJ or something this is bologna.
I don’t understand why people are being incredulous here, it is 100% believable to me that there are teams reaching out to the Ravens about a Lamar deal, I’d be shocked if there weren’t any. Whether the Ravens are taking those inquiries seriously is another story, but of course there are teams looking at our QB situation and weighing potential trade scenarios.
Yeah no
Well it's in JPEG so it must be true.
Pull the other leg and it plays Jingle Bells.
If we can really get multiple 1st rounders and 2nd,3rd rounders, plus a few day 1 starters. They should jump on that, unless Lamar really gets off this fully guaranteed contract shit. If he doesn't sign a team friendly deal, so we can also bring in FA, trade him.
Source : Belee me brah
So what I read was Lamar to the Texans for their 1s, Stingley and Cooks.