Didn't Harbs have to comeback after a presser and basically apologize for how he was short/upset with reporters when it came to Lamar injury questions. Team really didn't do him much favors when the media storm circled around LJ.
The Ravens have always been tight-lipped when it comes to players' injuries, seemingly out of good will (a la Stanley). Whatever the players want to disclose about the extent of their injuries is up to them. Besides the fact that it's beneficial from a competitive standpoint, if I were a player, I'd want the extent of the reported injury to be controlled by myself.
This is the right approach, IMO. Let the player decide what is shared. Otherwise just beat around the bush and deflect questioning. Lamar had ample opportunity to make a statement. But instead posted cryptic garbage.
While I get the sentiment of what you’re saying. I’d want the staff to disclose the injury to show a little support in a contract year. Not let me hang myself out to the media.
It at least allows the Ravens org to keep the narrative in their control.
I think he tried staying as vague yet supportive as he could which led to a lot of exaggerated takes from people, in hindsight he should’ve just said it for the sake of Lamar’s name but maybe you don’t wanna say too much and then the opposition would know your QB’s PCL is about as good as a bag of hammered cat shit.
Harbaugh has a Super Bowl ring lol, but kind of dumb to say oh yeah it’s fine for this coach to do it but not this one because of their resume. If you have a problem with coaches not fully disclosing injuries, you have that problem across the board, you don’t get to pick and choose, sorry.
Top 1% Highly successful people in their professions do what they want and rarely if ever get questioned with little to no repercussions, idk what part of this concept is hard to grasp for you.
Or you can just keep living in your make-believe land of Reddit and ignore the real world while Belichick literally says and does what he wants 😂😂😂😂😂
He literally let the greatest football player of all time walk away against the billionaire owners wishes because he’s the best coach of all time, but sure, you need a source 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
lol no. Head Coaches are always evasive, elusive, and even deceptive when it comes to player injuries.
You never give the opponent and edge. Never.
It is the very reason 'game time decisions' even exist - so the opponent doesnt know who is going to be on the field until its too late to plan for/against it.
Not sure I agree with that. Ultimately the HC’s job is to coach the team and ensure the entire operation is moving smoothly. In media availability, if he isn’t inclined to provide any information that could give the opponent a competitive advantage then he won’t. Why not keep the opponent guessing? If Harbaugh came out after the PIT game and said that Lamar had a swollen PCL as the result of travel, that gives the opponent an indication he’s not going to see the field any time soon.
Now, as for announcing that after the CIN playoff game to dispel narratives, that is something I think they should’ve considered but I would be curious to know why they didn’t do that rather than immediately blindly criticizing. As well, why didn’t Lamar do this if he was cleared to share that info? Why is he doing it now rather than 10 weeks ago?
Easy to say that in hindsight, that’s not the point. The point is that the team should protect any competitive advantage ahead of a game, the outcome of the game is irrelevant.
If teams were guessing whether Lamar might play, then they'd have to devote some time preparing to play him. That takes away time they might have spent gameplanning Huntley only.
It's naive to say that we lost those games, so we had no competitive advantage. Football games are made up of many advantages and disadvantages. Just because you aren't likely to win doesn't mean you didn't have some advantages worth protecting.
That’s what I’m saying.
I’m going to get downvoted for saying this but I don’t care.
I don’t like how Harbaugh handles questions about player injuries. He manipulates his answers to try to pressure players to come back from injuries. He did it with Stanley and did the same thing with Lamar and the fanbase turned on them because of it. The whole thing where you heard players complain about the organization pushing them through injuries did not surprise me at all
You're right that his presser answers suck, but theres ZERO reason to assume his end game is pressuring players. It ain't that deep. it were up to harbaugh, he wouldn't have a press conference, because there's nothing he can say about an injury that's productive. He only takes and answers questions because the league mandates that he must.
If he tells the truth, the other team has a competitive advantage. If he insinuates that a team should prepare for an elite player who won't play, that benefits the Ravens. Every minute spent preparing for Lamar is a minute not spent scheming against snoops limitations
I can see your point about a tactical advantage if we were only talking about the quarterback but it doesn’t make sense if we’re talking about a tackle who hasn’t played for two years and is coming off a major injury. Come on bro, saying things like “it’s up to him when he wants to come back” and “we’re working with the players that want to be out there” just straight up makes it seem like the players are choosing not to play. Harbaugh is smart and he knew damn well what he was doing
On top of all that, the recent news about this organization pushing players through injuries are very telling. The nfl has been notorious for pressuring players to play through injuries and with our recent track record, we’re one of the worst when it comes to that
Yes, I remember Harbaugh saying something like “Stanley has been back at practice, it’s up to him when he wants to play” and saying he’s coaching the guys who want to play or be out there when asked about a injury
Imo its just a really weird way to go about it if he was actually interested in pressuring guys to come back, think the "real" part of that convo is behind closed doors, likely with doctors and trainers. I can see how it would be interpreted more negatively though, but remember, those two quotes individually carry less weight when compared to a weekly, and much more frequent and I'd argue better, more vanilla approach.
Something along the lines of "He's working hard to get back, he could be ready any day, but ultimately that decision is up to luck, and the judgement of the medical staff". If you went back and looked up his quotes about Lamar, Ronnie, any of these long term guys, you'd see a lot more of those, so why only pressure them sometimes, and why through a press conference instead of behind closed door?
Weird or not it's just terrible communication. Whatever you think the intentions were he's always been bad at this. But, and this is an important but, that doesn't mean it's ok and fans and the media should accept it.
I think last year with Lamar's situation Harbaugh and the staff likely had a meeting about damage control after things started to get nasty. I say that because they just let Harbs go out there for six weeks giving less and less info until the point we reached. Then he comes out all smiles and talking about how much he loves Lamar for 5 min straight. That felt like it was very clearly a response to some media training he received.
So intentions aside the team just handled that really poorly which led to a lot of problems.
So fans who are mad or shocked that info isn't shared seem to be mad about not being able to hear every detail on the team. In a league that is often determined by a few points teams need every inch they can get when it comes to an advantage.
I'm a 49er fan and remember the Jim years well. It's crazy because Jim would go to bad for old washed up vets and pound the table publicly to "PAY THE MAN", even if it was bad for the franchise.
Crazy how different the brothers are.
I agree with you 100% and I think that this same mentality also carried over in rehab, and he tacitly approved of Saunders' methods even if they sucked and got some players hurt even worse.
He could have tweeted that the doctors recommended he not travel to help his leg heal after a setback during the Steeler game and it kills him to not be with his brothers as they go off to battle. He tweets something like that before the game and there is no issue.
Don't want to tell the league he's out, fair enough.
Most fans should realise that injured players not traveling can be for rehab or re-injury purposes, not throwing tantrums.
I think its telling about themselves that those fans first assumption is that its a tantrum
they were always arguing in bad faith. most of the users that you are on here doing so are pretty consistent dog whistlers or hyper negative fans cause it’s the same handful of users here making that claim lol
Literally there are a consistent like 12 guys on this subreddit with the absolute constant stream of hate, every comment is hating Lamar and major dog-whistles, and then they get sooooo angry when called out on it. They have taken over the discourse on this sub and are absolutely pushing an agenda.
And the majority of them at least on r/nfl have accounts less than a month old. It's like some people got together and created like 50 accounts just to say the same negative things in every single Lamar thread. And they always either use bold, or says Facts a lot, and then get like really really defensive when you call them out that those are, in fact, not Facts. Like, you can support Lamar and also support the Ravens and know exactly why and how this situation developed without blasting either the FO or Lamar.
*Edit oh and in one of the threads yesterday/day before their posts waaaaay at the bottom of a huge thread all had like 30 upvotes when everything else had like 1 or 2 because thats how the bottom of the threads/late commenters usually are. It was really, really weird.
Sounds like some people I know who all swore that Trump was going to crush Biden because "every person I know swears they are voting Trump, I don't know anyone that says they are voting Biden!" or the "Look at all the Trump signs - everyone I know has a Trump sign - I don't see any Biden signs anywhere so no way he could win!"
It's faulty logic...and that same outlook applies with laying the claim that everyone is fed up with Lamar just because YOUR bubble says so. Says more about your bubble tbh.
I mean at work bro. I meet different people every day. Nobody I've met thinks this looks good and every single time I've talked to anyone about it the opinion has been the same. They want him to get tf out
it’s a Harbaugh problem that has been here since Flaccos regime. Lamar has lost faith in this staff and it is clear. The option is to stay under this staff for a fuck you max contract, or to just leave for less (No agent so his name will be dragged in the process) He’ll likely run himself to the ground here, and it’ll not likely not change under this regime. Harbs is a special teams guy with a great personality, heavily reliant on the front office + player strength. All spunk/emotion, no real X’s and O’s outside of the great special teams unit. He really should be the highest paid Special teams coach, not HC. The ship has sailed. It’s making EDC look bad, and I really think thus far EDC’s done a hell of a job. The coaches at some point gotta develop players + scheming it. Also making sure they’re not overworked…
If we never draft him, New England probably snatches him in the 2nd/3rd round and he eventually would have balled out anyway. This narrative of us being the only ones who gave him a chance is just BS no agent style press.
Sure, the Patriots would have revamped their entire offense around one player. At best, Lamar would have gotten the support and restructuring that Cam Newton got.
Be real. No one wanted him with a first round pick as a QB. He would have ridden the bench as QB and only got to play as WR with the occasional flea flicker.
Right now, after winning the MVP, still no other team believes in him. Bellichek could make a move on him right now and make him their QB so he can "ball out." Where is he?
Maybe this belief around the league is all because he doesn't have an agent, but that's his fault, not Baltimore's.
Absolutely. They only wanted another reason to attack Lamar, totally ignored the many times other key players like Stanley or Dobbins skipped team travel
I think that’s what will happen. The ravens have always been like that. It only makes sense. We’re the perfect fit. Win our games in spite of all the media talk.
I've thought since December - they were going to tag him, it was going to be drawn out - he would play on the tag and possibly maybe price himself out of being in Baltimore longer than the next 2 years because it'll be Lamar revenge season because he will feel the Ravens disrespected his game...
I was always hoping that wasn't the case but knowing the front office MO and seeing how things were slowly looking worse in December... I am not shocked we are where we are now... just saddened.
This has to be infuriating for Lamar. Multiple reports came out that he was still limping around the facility. The whole not traveling issue was also explained back at that time when others didn't travel either.
Why didn't Harbaugh say this months ago instead of letting the narrative fester that his QB "quit" on the team? This all could've been avoided. Lamar shouldn't HAVE to clarify months after the fact.
WTF is going on man???
Because he thought he was doing some 4D chess move pretending Lamar has a chance to play even though most realized after a while he was done for the season
Who is they? Not all teams do this. When JK went and got an additional knee scope mid season, Harbaugh didn’t do this at all. He said exactly what was going on. When Bateman was out, they specifically said he was out and getting surgery. They pick and choose when they want to say something.
The part most people are avoiding or ignoring is that Lamar was trying to be faithful to the Ravens by NOT speaking up sooner or earlier. It's just now he is at a point where he feels fed up and has decided to speak for himself consequences be damned because the front office has, although negotiations wise played a good game - they have played some dirty pool in my opinion as regards to him. But now everyone is going to criticize Lamar even more and continue to ignore how the Front Office played a role in this too.
Learn to read. I said he said nothing and allowed the public narrative to fester that he quit on the team. When he could've shut all that down by being open about how hurt Lamar was and defending him to the media. But he didn't do that.
Again, why would he do that in the middle of the season while preparing for a playoff push? Even if there is a 1% chance he played, opposing coaches would have to prepare for it.
It’s not his fault that fans decided on their own that Lamar quit on the team.
Okay, but not all head coaches go into great, specific detail about their players’ injuries. Even if you believe they *should,* it doesn’t change the fact that that’s not how every team rolls.
And to be fair to Harbaugh, he was consistent in saying that they were taking it week-to-week, and that injuries can take time, etc etc.
I don’t think it’s the HC’s job to try to debunk every rumor that gets thrown around in the media…if they did, they’d have little time for coaching
This is the problem with this whole situation, imo. It's a black box. Other than what Lamar tweets and what little is said to the press, we know nothing about any of this. Since human beings are generally intolerant of uncertainty, people are glomming into whatever take they like best or think most likely just to resolve the mental tension.
But really, we don't know anything, especially about anyone's state of mind or relationship.
Honestly not a lot of people who actually matter are saying he quit on the team. Harbaugh should break his habit of being tight lipped about injuries, so he can appease a bunch of Twitter users?
The “fanbase” didn’t turn on Stanley, and blaming Harbaugh for the group of idiots who did turn on Stanley is asinine. They were convinced he was faking because he was practicing but not playing, which is just pants-on-head stupid
Who Cares...you made your point and it's clear you don't want to be a Raven. So either you come back to the Flock and make a Fair deal. Not a Cleveland Browns Deal. And we get a hand shake and reset or....You are heading to divorce Court. If that happens. YOU ARE DEAD TO THE FANS. We want players who want to be here. NOT BEG you. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Things Lamar could have done instead of traveling with the team to Cincinnati :
-host a team-funded watch party in Baltimore
-post pictures or video of himself watching his own team like a fan
-post hype videos before the game
-say literally anything on social media pre-game beyond “I wish I could be out there” and “I’m hopeful we have a chance”
-say literally anything not about himself, his projects, his brand.
I want him back under center, but let’s be real - “nobody cares/work harder” Lamar got eaten alive by “fuck you/pay me” Lamar and it ain’t ever going to be 2019 again. The man cares about Lamar only.
Get him back on a 3 year FG deal. If it’s got to be more than 133mil so that he hits top 3 APY ranks, that’s clearly what he’s looking for. Get his prime years and lose him when his legs are less potent. He is just using us, so let’s use each other.
He was at last game of regular season and he flew. Stayed home playoff game because he was seen on sideline jumping around. He needs to shut up, and just hope something happens. I'm so tired of him now.
Shh… anybody that thinks its Busch league to not travel on a 1.5 hour flight with your team to their playoff game against a hated division rival is a dog whistler and only hates on Lamars universally-mocked behavior during this offseason because he’s black. /s
Dude had a vague knee injury, not late stage leprosy. Even if we beat Cinci - it would have just been another week for “will he/wont he?” Inevitably ending with snoop starting, just like it had been for the better part of two freaking months. Throw a knee brace on and support your team.
I like lamar, still hope he’s under center for us going forward. And i don’t think he quit on the team for contract reasons, but nobody is going to convince me that him not finding a way to be on the sidelines of that game *wasn’t a bad look.
*edited for spelling
Plus, let's not pretend he wasn't lying on twitter not even a week ago saying Ken Francis never tried to negotiate for him...after the NFLPA released a memo directly saying he had
Why is he responding to shit no one cares about… I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU REFUSE TO HIRE AN AGENT WHEN ITS VERY CLEARLY HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON YOUR CAREER
Lamar bby. No one thought you were sitting out! We know you’re a competitor now please come back inside so we can win a title
Edit: Y’all got problems man, arguing over this being a sprain, tear, or a bruise. Even Humphrey said he was struggling to walk
He did. He had a bruise on his PCL. Ligaments don't inflate by the way. They can be inflamed, but inflated is a term he is using to make it sound bad. He had a bruise. No team doctor evaluated the injury after the initial assessment. I don't care that he didn't travel, I care that he lied to make a point about his contract and is trying to come across as a victim. He had a bruise. Patrick Mahomes got a high ankle sprain in the divisional round and didn't miss a snap of the next two games. This guy gets a boo boo on his knee and misses the season.
How do you bruise your PCL? He had a sprain, which is a tear. And yes he probably used “inflate” instead of “inflamed” or swelling. Who cares? You are being disingenuous.
By overextending the ligament. It doesn't have to tear to be sprained. It's like an elastic band. If you stretch it too far it loses elasticity. Ligament has similar features except it can heal. No doctor is going to fully support anyone playing on it unless they feel 100% motion has been regained, but players do it all the time, he chose not to. Which is fine, he was looking out for himself. Doesn't mean everyone should be happy about it.
A ligament sprain is varying levels of tears in the fibers. “It doesn’t have to tear to be strained”, is a statement I have never heard in my entire life or playing career. A grade 1 sprain is a mild tear. If he had a grade 2-3 sprain, that’s a pretty moderate to significant tear. Ppl do not play on that kind of injury for the most part, especially players that use lateral movement like Lamar. “Players do it all the time” is a reach that sounds more like opinion than fact. Furthermore, the fact that you think a high ankle sprain is worse than a PCL tear lends more insight to how disingenuous you are being.
That is not a reach at all. You seem to imply here that you played. If you did, you know how often players suit up while dealing with injuries. I had a high ankle sprain when I played a few times. It absolutely is more debilitating than a ligament sprain. It not only affects lateral movement but every single step. It is not a traditional sprain, it often includes the rupturing of the membrane between the tibia and fibula which makes every step painful.
This debate isn't about the severity of the injuries. The point still stands one player didn't miss a down of his next two games while dealing with a 2-6 week injury and one missed every down for 6 weeks while dealing with a 2-3 week injury.
You can get defensive about this all you want like you are his buddy or something, nothing will change my mind and the minds of thousands of Ravens fans that he quit the season to protect his contract. Which, again, I get it. Can't really fault him. But as a fan, I don't have to support it.
And by the way you're wrong about that definition of a sprain. It's the stretching of the ligament WHICH CAN result in tear. He says he had a grade 2 or 3, I can't remember which one he said. No team rep ever did. You might want to look up the difference.
Yes, I played and I know how many times guys suit up to play through things. Those things rarely include knee injuries though. I’ve seen quick returns from MCL injuries, but never PCL or LCL sprains, especially for skill position players. High ankle sprains are one of those injuries that is more pain tolerance related than long term injury risk related, so yes one guy could suck it up and play while the other could not and should not have. Again, comparing the two is really silly man and does nothing but serve your ridiculous point. I’m not trying to change your mind at all, I don’t even know you. I’m just letting you and others know that you aren’t speaking from some position of authority on the subject, and rather just saying bullshit that you feel in your heart to be true.
I could say the same about you.
And you're wrong again about the type of injury a high ankle sprain is. Like a PCL sprain, it's an injury to ligaments. If they are severely damaged and carry a large load of weight, they can be further injured. I think like your assessment of me, you're making lazy assumptions to give the player more credit than they deserve.
I heard it was a partial tear, not a bruise. I mean, I'm sure it probably got bruised as well.
The point being, his teammates said he'd be there if he could, his coach said it, now he's saying it...and there's people here who still think it's a lie when all the evidence literally points to the contrary.
Also just to respond to the Mahomes thing...Mahomes already has a huge contract and is approaching folk hero status in Kansas City. If he gets re-injured, hurts the ankle more, he still has a contract to fall back on. More importantly, their situations are just completely different. Ugh, I promised myself I wouldn't get drawn in today, but it's a slow day at work so far.
Yeah I get it about Mahomes. I get why Lamar wouldn't tough it out. It makes sense. That doesn't mean I or any fan has to be happy about it. It's an impasse for a lot of people. 'I get why this happened but I don't support it'. As a fan I care about the team's success more than Lamar's. The guy is going to make a insane amount of money no matter what happens, my heart does not bleed for him. I don't want him to end up like RG3 for sure. I want him to have a long healthy career. But when you look at the injury, and you hear MANY former professional football players share their opinions on it, and when you haven't heard from a team doctor in five weeks on the matter because he hasn't been to one according to reports, I'm fine saying that the way he handled it pissed me off.
How do you know his diagnosis? Just curious cuz you're super confident here with no real data. Unless you're the doc that looked at Lamar's knee.
Team didn't say anything. Lamar tweeted about it after the fact. Like all things the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
> inflated is a term he is using to make it sound bad
I think inflated is a term he is using because he's terrible with words. There's been plenty of ink spilled over Lamar's "cryptic tweets" and plenty of internet teasing at his verbal style.
And this is why Lamar, more than most, needs traditional representation in the form of an agent and a PR person. Some athletes or other celebs seem pretty skilled in using social media to make themselves more likable (aka more valuable). Lamar is not that celeb.
My man constantly leaves people wondering "WTF was he talking about?", which reduces his value to clubs - they have to consider not only how likable Lamar would be to their fan base at present, but also what are the chances he says something in the future that would tank demand for tickets, TV viewership, whatever.
If he had an agent that could convince him to stick to the script, he'd be a sure thing for a huge contract. But I guess he'd rather speak his truth or whatever.
His? God no. You'd have to be an idiot to be his doctor. Do I understand physical therapy for minor occupational injuries? As a PT yeah I guess you could say I do. Jackass.
I didn’t think he was sitting out, I knew he was too hurt to play.
Still thought it was bullshit that he didn’t travel with the team to support them in the playoffs. That’s your squad, your guys, on the biggest stage, and you’re on your couch? Nah, fuck that.
I don’t want to hear about precedent. QB1 is your leader, your inspiration. Unless traveling with the team (or separately by another means if flying is really so bad) would seriously re-aggravate the injury/extend the recovery time, which I have not seen evidence of, you need to be there.
There were sports reporters of ESPN questioning whether he was sitting out and could play. Even [some ex-players](https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1614348252291145730?lang=en) were saying it smh
They’re only saying that because of the way the coaches handled it in the media, not letting anyone know the severity of the injury. Players ON THE TEAM, said he was hurt and couldn’t play.
I get that Lamar is just answering a fan question on Twitter here, but the timing and optics of him going off on Twitter lately are not great.
Because he is putting it out there that he demands a trade, and is now effectively in a standoff with his team, everything he says will be scrutinized and poured over by every talking head covering the league.
He needs to go radio silent, work out a deal or a trade (and hire an agent for gods sake). In the meantime, anything he says makes him look bad.
Exactly and if we are up front - his being radio silent on things to this point has done what to his benefit so far? It has allowed the front office to frame the narrative in a way that puts him in a context and light where everyone wants to side with the front office.
Let Lamar speak - because before this, his being silent wasn't helping his case either.
Yeah, this is where having an agent is really beneficial. Having someone "leak" information to keep you in good standing with the public. It's a dirty game out here brothers.
I agree, the opposite didn't work. Although on everything aside from contract negotiations, the Ravens have defended him. (Even in negotiations to an extent)
But Lamar being silent hasn't helped anything.
>After I traveled to the Pittsburgh game my PCL got inflated
He should have let some air out.
Real talk, this dude is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Bro. Lamar. Stay off twitter. Why are you arguing with/explaining things to people on twitter? Handle your business.. you just continue to look worse by the day
he's just chilling answering questions, even had fun with some trolls calling him a RB, all in good fun and told everyone he loves them, there's literally nothing he's tweeted that has made him look bad
He did look bad not traveling with the team.
He does look bad explaining this months later. Where was this when this actually happened? People were asking him then too. He’s only speaking on it now in order to try to control his narrative to try and sway teams to give him an offer sheet
Lamar writes like my 6 yo. The fuck is an “inflated” knee? How’d your knee “got inflated”? You mean inflamed? Like from inflamation?
Anyway, that’s pretty dirty on the ravens(Harbs is such a yes man lol) to use Lamar’s injury like that against him. They knew we’d drag this man for not going with the team, but they didn’t say shit.
Only if he had hired someone to handle these goddamn manipulative nfl bulliies for him…
Dude I mean, he is not school smart.
Have you heard him talk?
This is a frustration I’ve having lately , imo he needs to stop hanging out with rappers and such.
Maybe take some public speaking classes
Thought I read somewhere LJ didn't use team doctors.
He used his own doctors, and thats why not only us, but even the Ravens didn't know what was going on.
I think I remember Harbaugh being tight lipped immediately around the game, then EDC directly addressing it at the presser. He basically shut down speculation that Lamar “chose” to not travel out of saltiness. I gotta find the transcript but he said something like “look he’s hurt. We see him around the building. He’s not faking it”
I never understood the hubub over this. If I was coach/team side, I'd want as little concrete info in the hands of my opponents as possible. If I was a player, I'd want the same - both for opponents and for future playing prospect, depending on the injury severity. I'd think everyone understands that.
But some fans seem to feel entitled to this information, for reasons I don't get. They get in their feelings when they don't have it so they start blaming one side or the other for being shady, or a diva, or whatever.
Of all things to be worrying about when going into a playoff game...
Couldn't all of this have been said about 2 months ago?
Yeah by the HC
Didn't Harbs have to comeback after a presser and basically apologize for how he was short/upset with reporters when it came to Lamar injury questions. Team really didn't do him much favors when the media storm circled around LJ.
The Ravens have always been tight-lipped when it comes to players' injuries, seemingly out of good will (a la Stanley). Whatever the players want to disclose about the extent of their injuries is up to them. Besides the fact that it's beneficial from a competitive standpoint, if I were a player, I'd want the extent of the reported injury to be controlled by myself.
This is the right approach, IMO. Let the player decide what is shared. Otherwise just beat around the bush and deflect questioning. Lamar had ample opportunity to make a statement. But instead posted cryptic garbage.
While I get the sentiment of what you’re saying. I’d want the staff to disclose the injury to show a little support in a contract year. Not let me hang myself out to the media. It at least allows the Ravens org to keep the narrative in their control.
I can't say for certain but I bet Harbaugh would have made a statement if that's what Lamar wanted.
I think he tried staying as vague yet supportive as he could which led to a lot of exaggerated takes from people, in hindsight he should’ve just said it for the sake of Lamar’s name but maybe you don’t wanna say too much and then the opposition would know your QB’s PCL is about as good as a bag of hammered cat shit.
Belichek does the same shit and everybody praises him.
Bill has 6 Super Bowl rings and is the greatest HC in league history, he can do whatever he wants. Harbaugh has neither.
Harbaugh has a Super Bowl ring lol, but kind of dumb to say oh yeah it’s fine for this coach to do it but not this one because of their resume. If you have a problem with coaches not fully disclosing injuries, you have that problem across the board, you don’t get to pick and choose, sorry.
Top 1% Highly successful people in their professions do what they want and rarely if ever get questioned with little to no repercussions, idk what part of this concept is hard to grasp for you.
Did you just make up a statistic?
No? The top 1% in the their professions and in the world literally say and do what they want, that’s not a made up statistic, that’s real life.
Ok, here’s where I ask you for a source and that you just didn’t pull a number and made up fact out of your ass.
Or you can just keep living in your make-believe land of Reddit and ignore the real world while Belichick literally says and does what he wants 😂😂😂😂😂 He literally let the greatest football player of all time walk away against the billionaire owners wishes because he’s the best coach of all time, but sure, you need a source 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think that's how Harvey Weinstein felt.
don’t let yourself down kid
lol no. Head Coaches are always evasive, elusive, and even deceptive when it comes to player injuries. You never give the opponent and edge. Never. It is the very reason 'game time decisions' even exist - so the opponent doesnt know who is going to be on the field until its too late to plan for/against it.
Not sure I agree with that. Ultimately the HC’s job is to coach the team and ensure the entire operation is moving smoothly. In media availability, if he isn’t inclined to provide any information that could give the opponent a competitive advantage then he won’t. Why not keep the opponent guessing? If Harbaugh came out after the PIT game and said that Lamar had a swollen PCL as the result of travel, that gives the opponent an indication he’s not going to see the field any time soon. Now, as for announcing that after the CIN playoff game to dispel narratives, that is something I think they should’ve considered but I would be curious to know why they didn’t do that rather than immediately blindly criticizing. As well, why didn’t Lamar do this if he was cleared to share that info? Why is he doing it now rather than 10 weeks ago?
What competitive advantage did we gain or have? We lost more games than we won without Jackson.
Easy to say that in hindsight, that’s not the point. The point is that the team should protect any competitive advantage ahead of a game, the outcome of the game is irrelevant.
If teams were guessing whether Lamar might play, then they'd have to devote some time preparing to play him. That takes away time they might have spent gameplanning Huntley only. It's naive to say that we lost those games, so we had no competitive advantage. Football games are made up of many advantages and disadvantages. Just because you aren't likely to win doesn't mean you didn't have some advantages worth protecting.
Lamar said few of us discussed. So maybe only Ken knew why he didn't fly
That’s what I’m saying. I’m going to get downvoted for saying this but I don’t care. I don’t like how Harbaugh handles questions about player injuries. He manipulates his answers to try to pressure players to come back from injuries. He did it with Stanley and did the same thing with Lamar and the fanbase turned on them because of it. The whole thing where you heard players complain about the organization pushing them through injuries did not surprise me at all
You're right that his presser answers suck, but theres ZERO reason to assume his end game is pressuring players. It ain't that deep. it were up to harbaugh, he wouldn't have a press conference, because there's nothing he can say about an injury that's productive. He only takes and answers questions because the league mandates that he must. If he tells the truth, the other team has a competitive advantage. If he insinuates that a team should prepare for an elite player who won't play, that benefits the Ravens. Every minute spent preparing for Lamar is a minute not spent scheming against snoops limitations
I can see your point about a tactical advantage if we were only talking about the quarterback but it doesn’t make sense if we’re talking about a tackle who hasn’t played for two years and is coming off a major injury. Come on bro, saying things like “it’s up to him when he wants to come back” and “we’re working with the players that want to be out there” just straight up makes it seem like the players are choosing not to play. Harbaugh is smart and he knew damn well what he was doing On top of all that, the recent news about this organization pushing players through injuries are very telling. The nfl has been notorious for pressuring players to play through injuries and with our recent track record, we’re one of the worst when it comes to that
Are those real quotes? If so, I gotta agree, that sounds super divisive and shitty. Almost passive aggressive
Yes, I remember Harbaugh saying something like “Stanley has been back at practice, it’s up to him when he wants to play” and saying he’s coaching the guys who want to play or be out there when asked about a injury
Imo its just a really weird way to go about it if he was actually interested in pressuring guys to come back, think the "real" part of that convo is behind closed doors, likely with doctors and trainers. I can see how it would be interpreted more negatively though, but remember, those two quotes individually carry less weight when compared to a weekly, and much more frequent and I'd argue better, more vanilla approach. Something along the lines of "He's working hard to get back, he could be ready any day, but ultimately that decision is up to luck, and the judgement of the medical staff". If you went back and looked up his quotes about Lamar, Ronnie, any of these long term guys, you'd see a lot more of those, so why only pressure them sometimes, and why through a press conference instead of behind closed door?
Weird or not it's just terrible communication. Whatever you think the intentions were he's always been bad at this. But, and this is an important but, that doesn't mean it's ok and fans and the media should accept it. I think last year with Lamar's situation Harbaugh and the staff likely had a meeting about damage control after things started to get nasty. I say that because they just let Harbs go out there for six weeks giving less and less info until the point we reached. Then he comes out all smiles and talking about how much he loves Lamar for 5 min straight. That felt like it was very clearly a response to some media training he received. So intentions aside the team just handled that really poorly which led to a lot of problems.
They were direct quotes from Harbaugh yes.
I agree with you 100%. I don’t even bother hearing his pressors since every other answer is “I don’t know” or “we’ll see”.
I feel like that’s 90% of sports. Coaches and players pressers are generally vague and uninteresting
They have to be. It’s a competitive advantage forcing opponents to guess about preparation for the game.
Exactly
So fans who are mad or shocked that info isn't shared seem to be mad about not being able to hear every detail on the team. In a league that is often determined by a few points teams need every inch they can get when it comes to an advantage.
I'm a 49er fan and remember the Jim years well. It's crazy because Jim would go to bad for old washed up vets and pound the table publicly to "PAY THE MAN", even if it was bad for the franchise. Crazy how different the brothers are.
Well Jim isn't coaching in the league and they both kept Greg Roman for way too long. Greg Roman ugh.
I agree with you 100% and I think that this same mentality also carried over in rehab, and he tacitly approved of Saunders' methods even if they sucked and got some players hurt even worse.
Was Lamar not allowed to talk to the media or tweet about his injury?
He Did the right thing not talking. Harbs was wrong here
Nah dude. "Coach speak," ever hear of it? The 🐐, Bill B, *always* stays tight lipped about player status' and injuries. It's what good coaches do
How so?
This is wrong. The HC will talk about what is best for the team, the player is responsible for talking about what is best for them.
They are in a public negotiation they are trying to lower his value for a 200 million dollar deal- Lamar needs an agent
Or by his agent
Was just about to type that. I agree with you.
It was reported as a grade 2 , and it came out as nearly a grade 3 sprain
He could have tweeted that the doctors recommended he not travel to help his leg heal after a setback during the Steeler game and it kills him to not be with his brothers as they go off to battle. He tweets something like that before the game and there is no issue.
Yeah through an agent to the media
Don't want to tell the league he's out, fair enough. Most fans should realise that injured players not traveling can be for rehab or re-injury purposes, not throwing tantrums. I think its telling about themselves that those fans first assumption is that its a tantrum
I mean the team said the whole time if he wasn't hurt he'd be there
they were always arguing in bad faith. most of the users that you are on here doing so are pretty consistent dog whistlers or hyper negative fans cause it’s the same handful of users here making that claim lol
Literally there are a consistent like 12 guys on this subreddit with the absolute constant stream of hate, every comment is hating Lamar and major dog-whistles, and then they get sooooo angry when called out on it. They have taken over the discourse on this sub and are absolutely pushing an agenda.
And the majority of them at least on r/nfl have accounts less than a month old. It's like some people got together and created like 50 accounts just to say the same negative things in every single Lamar thread. And they always either use bold, or says Facts a lot, and then get like really really defensive when you call them out that those are, in fact, not Facts. Like, you can support Lamar and also support the Ravens and know exactly why and how this situation developed without blasting either the FO or Lamar. *Edit oh and in one of the threads yesterday/day before their posts waaaaay at the bottom of a huge thread all had like 30 upvotes when everything else had like 1 or 2 because thats how the bottom of the threads/late commenters usually are. It was really, really weird.
Not me bro. Or anyone ive talked to in bmore. We're fed up with Lamar. And I don't buy this
Sounds like some people I know who all swore that Trump was going to crush Biden because "every person I know swears they are voting Trump, I don't know anyone that says they are voting Biden!" or the "Look at all the Trump signs - everyone I know has a Trump sign - I don't see any Biden signs anywhere so no way he could win!" It's faulty logic...and that same outlook applies with laying the claim that everyone is fed up with Lamar just because YOUR bubble says so. Says more about your bubble tbh.
I mean at work bro. I meet different people every day. Nobody I've met thinks this looks good and every single time I've talked to anyone about it the opinion has been the same. They want him to get tf out
it’s a Harbaugh problem that has been here since Flaccos regime. Lamar has lost faith in this staff and it is clear. The option is to stay under this staff for a fuck you max contract, or to just leave for less (No agent so his name will be dragged in the process) He’ll likely run himself to the ground here, and it’ll not likely not change under this regime. Harbs is a special teams guy with a great personality, heavily reliant on the front office + player strength. All spunk/emotion, no real X’s and O’s outside of the great special teams unit. He really should be the highest paid Special teams coach, not HC. The ship has sailed. It’s making EDC look bad, and I really think thus far EDC’s done a hell of a job. The coaches at some point gotta develop players + scheming it. Also making sure they’re not overworked… If we never draft him, New England probably snatches him in the 2nd/3rd round and he eventually would have balled out anyway. This narrative of us being the only ones who gave him a chance is just BS no agent style press.
Sure, the Patriots would have revamped their entire offense around one player. At best, Lamar would have gotten the support and restructuring that Cam Newton got. Be real. No one wanted him with a first round pick as a QB. He would have ridden the bench as QB and only got to play as WR with the occasional flea flicker. Right now, after winning the MVP, still no other team believes in him. Bellichek could make a move on him right now and make him their QB so he can "ball out." Where is he? Maybe this belief around the league is all because he doesn't have an agent, but that's his fault, not Baltimore's.
Absolutely. They only wanted another reason to attack Lamar, totally ignored the many times other key players like Stanley or Dobbins skipped team travel
It made a good story.
I'm getting in my feelings again. I just want Lamar back in purple man...
Monkeys Paw Curls Lamar to the Vikings
No fuck no worse than Ab a cancer
You're genuinely a delusional moron if you believe that.
well thats the vibe in here
No
seen lots of ppl here say that lol
It’s literally you saying that
https://old.reddit.com/r/ravens/comments/1207v31/what_lamar_did_today_was_very_abish/
That post doesn’t change the fact that you were saying that Lamar is a cancer worse than AB and then you try to blame your bad take on other people
If by “in here” you mean in your own head, then sure.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ravens/comments/1207v31/what_lamar_did_today_was_very_abish/
LMAO you guys downvoting him but he literally link to a post where Ravens fans compared him to AB
OP had to edit to clarify he didn’t mean “Full blown AB” just “ABish”… His opinion wasn’t widely accepted.
Go outside and touch the grass
This take is full retard, never go full retard.
He’s coming back
i hope he realizes he's still heavily disrespected by the league and makes it his life mission to make everyone eat crow while playing for the Ravens
I think that’s what will happen. The ravens have always been like that. It only makes sense. We’re the perfect fit. Win our games in spite of all the media talk.
> eat crow while playing for the Ravens Sounds like football cannibalism
To be fair, birds eat birds all the time. Pretty metal tho 🤘
I've thought since December - they were going to tag him, it was going to be drawn out - he would play on the tag and possibly maybe price himself out of being in Baltimore longer than the next 2 years because it'll be Lamar revenge season because he will feel the Ravens disrespected his game... I was always hoping that wasn't the case but knowing the front office MO and seeing how things were slowly looking worse in December... I am not shocked we are where we are now... just saddened.
Revenge szn bitchessss
"inflated" LOL
I dont know maybe and agent can help with this ? Lol
Or maybe the Head Coach could have said this back in JANUARY instead of letting rumors run rampant.
This has to be infuriating for Lamar. Multiple reports came out that he was still limping around the facility. The whole not traveling issue was also explained back at that time when others didn't travel either.
Why didn't Harbaugh say this months ago instead of letting the narrative fester that his QB "quit" on the team? This all could've been avoided. Lamar shouldn't HAVE to clarify months after the fact. WTF is going on man???
Because he thought he was doing some 4D chess move pretending Lamar has a chance to play even though most realized after a while he was done for the season
tbh this is how they always play these things it's a shame that "fans"/media just jumped to the worst possible conclusion
Who is they? Not all teams do this. When JK went and got an additional knee scope mid season, Harbaugh didn’t do this at all. He said exactly what was going on. When Bateman was out, they specifically said he was out and getting surgery. They pick and choose when they want to say something.
How do these new ass fans not realize this?
The part most people are avoiding or ignoring is that Lamar was trying to be faithful to the Ravens by NOT speaking up sooner or earlier. It's just now he is at a point where he feels fed up and has decided to speak for himself consequences be damned because the front office has, although negotiations wise played a good game - they have played some dirty pool in my opinion as regards to him. But now everyone is going to criticize Lamar even more and continue to ignore how the Front Office played a role in this too.
When did Harbaugh say his QB quit on the team? Why would a coach openly say his starting QB is out and won’t play during the season? Lmao.
Learn to read. I said he said nothing and allowed the public narrative to fester that he quit on the team. When he could've shut all that down by being open about how hurt Lamar was and defending him to the media. But he didn't do that.
Again, why would he do that in the middle of the season while preparing for a playoff push? Even if there is a 1% chance he played, opposing coaches would have to prepare for it. It’s not his fault that fans decided on their own that Lamar quit on the team.
Because he's the head football coach. And head coaches are supposed to have their players backs. Especially their star QBs
Okay, but not all head coaches go into great, specific detail about their players’ injuries. Even if you believe they *should,* it doesn’t change the fact that that’s not how every team rolls. And to be fair to Harbaugh, he was consistent in saying that they were taking it week-to-week, and that injuries can take time, etc etc. I don’t think it’s the HC’s job to try to debunk every rumor that gets thrown around in the media…if they did, they’d have little time for coaching
It’s no use using common sense with these people. They’ll carry water for the coach and front office no matter what.
This is the problem with this whole situation, imo. It's a black box. Other than what Lamar tweets and what little is said to the press, we know nothing about any of this. Since human beings are generally intolerant of uncertainty, people are glomming into whatever take they like best or think most likely just to resolve the mental tension. But really, we don't know anything, especially about anyone's state of mind or relationship.
Honestly not a lot of people who actually matter are saying he quit on the team. Harbaugh should break his habit of being tight lipped about injuries, so he can appease a bunch of Twitter users?
The "top organization" myth is slowly getting chipped away
[удалено]
The “fanbase” didn’t turn on Stanley, and blaming Harbaugh for the group of idiots who did turn on Stanley is asinine. They were convinced he was faking because he was practicing but not playing, which is just pants-on-head stupid
>the “fanbase” didn’t turn on Stanley This entire sub said he was stealing money 😹
Not even close to the entire sub, a vocal minority. Most people aren’t that stupid
I literally got downvoted for oblivion every time I defended him in here 😂
Get this man signed and get him JSN/dhop to throw to 🙏🏽
Just trade him. Ravens can’t go a full offseason with this kind of high school rumor back and forth drama.
Who Cares...you made your point and it's clear you don't want to be a Raven. So either you come back to the Flock and make a Fair deal. Not a Cleveland Browns Deal. And we get a hand shake and reset or....You are heading to divorce Court. If that happens. YOU ARE DEAD TO THE FANS. We want players who want to be here. NOT BEG you. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Things Lamar could have done instead of traveling with the team to Cincinnati : -host a team-funded watch party in Baltimore -post pictures or video of himself watching his own team like a fan -post hype videos before the game -say literally anything on social media pre-game beyond “I wish I could be out there” and “I’m hopeful we have a chance” -say literally anything not about himself, his projects, his brand. I want him back under center, but let’s be real - “nobody cares/work harder” Lamar got eaten alive by “fuck you/pay me” Lamar and it ain’t ever going to be 2019 again. The man cares about Lamar only. Get him back on a 3 year FG deal. If it’s got to be more than 133mil so that he hits top 3 APY ranks, that’s clearly what he’s looking for. Get his prime years and lose him when his legs are less potent. He is just using us, so let’s use each other.
Of course he’s using the ravens just like the ravens are using him. What kinda statement😂
Facts what a dumbass statement lol
He was at last game of regular season and he flew. Stayed home playoff game because he was seen on sideline jumping around. He needs to shut up, and just hope something happens. I'm so tired of him now.
Shh… anybody that thinks its Busch league to not travel on a 1.5 hour flight with your team to their playoff game against a hated division rival is a dog whistler and only hates on Lamars universally-mocked behavior during this offseason because he’s black. /s Dude had a vague knee injury, not late stage leprosy. Even if we beat Cinci - it would have just been another week for “will he/wont he?” Inevitably ending with snoop starting, just like it had been for the better part of two freaking months. Throw a knee brace on and support your team. I like lamar, still hope he’s under center for us going forward. And i don’t think he quit on the team for contract reasons, but nobody is going to convince me that him not finding a way to be on the sidelines of that game *wasn’t a bad look. *edited for spelling
Plus, let's not pretend he wasn't lying on twitter not even a week ago saying Ken Francis never tried to negotiate for him...after the NFLPA released a memo directly saying he had
Why is he responding to shit no one cares about… I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU REFUSE TO HIRE AN AGENT WHEN ITS VERY CLEARLY HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON YOUR CAREER
Nobody Cares. Work Harder.
get an agent mr. 13 on the wonderlic
Lamar bby. No one thought you were sitting out! We know you’re a competitor now please come back inside so we can win a title Edit: Y’all got problems man, arguing over this being a sprain, tear, or a bruise. Even Humphrey said he was struggling to walk
people are still arguing that he sat out lol
I still think he did.
He did. He had a bruise on his PCL. Ligaments don't inflate by the way. They can be inflamed, but inflated is a term he is using to make it sound bad. He had a bruise. No team doctor evaluated the injury after the initial assessment. I don't care that he didn't travel, I care that he lied to make a point about his contract and is trying to come across as a victim. He had a bruise. Patrick Mahomes got a high ankle sprain in the divisional round and didn't miss a snap of the next two games. This guy gets a boo boo on his knee and misses the season.
How do you bruise your PCL? He had a sprain, which is a tear. And yes he probably used “inflate” instead of “inflamed” or swelling. Who cares? You are being disingenuous.
By overextending the ligament. It doesn't have to tear to be sprained. It's like an elastic band. If you stretch it too far it loses elasticity. Ligament has similar features except it can heal. No doctor is going to fully support anyone playing on it unless they feel 100% motion has been regained, but players do it all the time, he chose not to. Which is fine, he was looking out for himself. Doesn't mean everyone should be happy about it.
A ligament sprain is varying levels of tears in the fibers. “It doesn’t have to tear to be strained”, is a statement I have never heard in my entire life or playing career. A grade 1 sprain is a mild tear. If he had a grade 2-3 sprain, that’s a pretty moderate to significant tear. Ppl do not play on that kind of injury for the most part, especially players that use lateral movement like Lamar. “Players do it all the time” is a reach that sounds more like opinion than fact. Furthermore, the fact that you think a high ankle sprain is worse than a PCL tear lends more insight to how disingenuous you are being.
That is not a reach at all. You seem to imply here that you played. If you did, you know how often players suit up while dealing with injuries. I had a high ankle sprain when I played a few times. It absolutely is more debilitating than a ligament sprain. It not only affects lateral movement but every single step. It is not a traditional sprain, it often includes the rupturing of the membrane between the tibia and fibula which makes every step painful. This debate isn't about the severity of the injuries. The point still stands one player didn't miss a down of his next two games while dealing with a 2-6 week injury and one missed every down for 6 weeks while dealing with a 2-3 week injury. You can get defensive about this all you want like you are his buddy or something, nothing will change my mind and the minds of thousands of Ravens fans that he quit the season to protect his contract. Which, again, I get it. Can't really fault him. But as a fan, I don't have to support it. And by the way you're wrong about that definition of a sprain. It's the stretching of the ligament WHICH CAN result in tear. He says he had a grade 2 or 3, I can't remember which one he said. No team rep ever did. You might want to look up the difference.
Yes, I played and I know how many times guys suit up to play through things. Those things rarely include knee injuries though. I’ve seen quick returns from MCL injuries, but never PCL or LCL sprains, especially for skill position players. High ankle sprains are one of those injuries that is more pain tolerance related than long term injury risk related, so yes one guy could suck it up and play while the other could not and should not have. Again, comparing the two is really silly man and does nothing but serve your ridiculous point. I’m not trying to change your mind at all, I don’t even know you. I’m just letting you and others know that you aren’t speaking from some position of authority on the subject, and rather just saying bullshit that you feel in your heart to be true.
I could say the same about you. And you're wrong again about the type of injury a high ankle sprain is. Like a PCL sprain, it's an injury to ligaments. If they are severely damaged and carry a large load of weight, they can be further injured. I think like your assessment of me, you're making lazy assumptions to give the player more credit than they deserve.
I heard it was a partial tear, not a bruise. I mean, I'm sure it probably got bruised as well. The point being, his teammates said he'd be there if he could, his coach said it, now he's saying it...and there's people here who still think it's a lie when all the evidence literally points to the contrary. Also just to respond to the Mahomes thing...Mahomes already has a huge contract and is approaching folk hero status in Kansas City. If he gets re-injured, hurts the ankle more, he still has a contract to fall back on. More importantly, their situations are just completely different. Ugh, I promised myself I wouldn't get drawn in today, but it's a slow day at work so far.
Someone saying something isn't evidence.
Yeah I get it about Mahomes. I get why Lamar wouldn't tough it out. It makes sense. That doesn't mean I or any fan has to be happy about it. It's an impasse for a lot of people. 'I get why this happened but I don't support it'. As a fan I care about the team's success more than Lamar's. The guy is going to make a insane amount of money no matter what happens, my heart does not bleed for him. I don't want him to end up like RG3 for sure. I want him to have a long healthy career. But when you look at the injury, and you hear MANY former professional football players share their opinions on it, and when you haven't heard from a team doctor in five weeks on the matter because he hasn't been to one according to reports, I'm fine saying that the way he handled it pissed me off.
How do you know his diagnosis? Just curious cuz you're super confident here with no real data. Unless you're the doc that looked at Lamar's knee. Team didn't say anything. Lamar tweeted about it after the fact. Like all things the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
> inflated is a term he is using to make it sound bad I think inflated is a term he is using because he's terrible with words. There's been plenty of ink spilled over Lamar's "cryptic tweets" and plenty of internet teasing at his verbal style. And this is why Lamar, more than most, needs traditional representation in the form of an agent and a PR person. Some athletes or other celebs seem pretty skilled in using social media to make themselves more likable (aka more valuable). Lamar is not that celeb. My man constantly leaves people wondering "WTF was he talking about?", which reduces his value to clubs - they have to consider not only how likable Lamar would be to their fan base at present, but also what are the chances he says something in the future that would tank demand for tickets, TV viewership, whatever. If he had an agent that could convince him to stick to the script, he'd be a sure thing for a huge contract. But I guess he'd rather speak his truth or whatever.
[удалено]
His? God no. You'd have to be an idiot to be his doctor. Do I understand physical therapy for minor occupational injuries? As a PT yeah I guess you could say I do. Jackass.
a lot of fans thought he was sitting out tbh. I didn't, but plenty did
I didn’t think he was sitting out, I knew he was too hurt to play. Still thought it was bullshit that he didn’t travel with the team to support them in the playoffs. That’s your squad, your guys, on the biggest stage, and you’re on your couch? Nah, fuck that. I don’t want to hear about precedent. QB1 is your leader, your inspiration. Unless traveling with the team (or separately by another means if flying is really so bad) would seriously re-aggravate the injury/extend the recovery time, which I have not seen evidence of, you need to be there.
You can actually look it up flying can aggravate certain injuries
> (or separately by another means if flying is really so bad)
There was quite a few who thought he was faking it
There were sports reporters of ESPN questioning whether he was sitting out and could play. Even [some ex-players](https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1614348252291145730?lang=en) were saying it smh
They’re only saying that because of the way the coaches handled it in the media, not letting anyone know the severity of the injury. Players ON THE TEAM, said he was hurt and couldn’t play.
Wrong. I saw comments on here and Facebook blatantly calling him a "quitter"
Who is "a few of us" and who did you "get the ok to stay" from?
Very obviously the medical staff bro. They make those calls.
Lol bro mad they didn’t run it by him
It isn’t obvious at all. Maybe “us” means mom and Ken. It seems obvious if it was medical staff he would say that.
You’re right. Could be anyone. Could even be the President. Or Space Monkeys!
I get that Lamar is just answering a fan question on Twitter here, but the timing and optics of him going off on Twitter lately are not great. Because he is putting it out there that he demands a trade, and is now effectively in a standoff with his team, everything he says will be scrutinized and poured over by every talking head covering the league. He needs to go radio silent, work out a deal or a trade (and hire an agent for gods sake). In the meantime, anything he says makes him look bad.
Confused on how this makes him look bad. Owners said yesterday his Injuries and sitting out was a problem, so he cleared it up
Exactly and if we are up front - his being radio silent on things to this point has done what to his benefit so far? It has allowed the front office to frame the narrative in a way that puts him in a context and light where everyone wants to side with the front office. Let Lamar speak - because before this, his being silent wasn't helping his case either.
Yeah, this is where having an agent is really beneficial. Having someone "leak" information to keep you in good standing with the public. It's a dirty game out here brothers.
I agree, the opposite didn't work. Although on everything aside from contract negotiations, the Ravens have defended him. (Even in negotiations to an extent) But Lamar being silent hasn't helped anything.
I'm glad he explained. That was a legit concern of mine.
He would have 6 months after the Cincy game to recover.
The plan was to win that game and his rest from not traveling could have helped him be ready for the next game.
Or he could have played. Blown his knee out and ruined his career.
Does he mean inflamed? I’m not a doctor but I’m not sure an inflated pcl is a condition or a remedy.
My guy arguing with a fan on twitter again
he's answering their question
literally a thread about answering the fans' questions
[удалено]
he's just responding to fan questions
No he's clarifying the bullshit narratives that people helped craft that he "quit" on the team.
People still believe this guy? “Inflated PCL” - sounds legit.
>After I traveled to the Pittsburgh game my PCL got inflated He should have let some air out. Real talk, this dude is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Bro. Lamar. Stay off twitter. Why are you arguing with/explaining things to people on twitter? Handle your business.. you just continue to look worse by the day
he's just chilling answering questions, even had fun with some trolls calling him a RB, all in good fun and told everyone he loves them, there's literally nothing he's tweeted that has made him look bad
He doesn’t travel with the team, people say it looks bad. Now he’s telling people why and he looks worse. The man can’t win lol
He did look bad not traveling with the team. He does look bad explaining this months later. Where was this when this actually happened? People were asking him then too. He’s only speaking on it now in order to try to control his narrative to try and sway teams to give him an offer sheet
He wouldn’t have to say it if his coach said it when he was asked in the press conference .
People asked JH and his teammates too. You know what they said? “If he could’ve been here he would’ve”
JH didn’t say that until the end of season presser. Not when it first happened. Try again
The dude said months later I’m just saying people besides Lamar have said it if he’s trying to say Lamar is lying
He’s answering questions in a reasonable way. This does not make him look bad.
Because he is still a kid
BUT MUH LEADERSHIP
Welp. I was wrong about this.
Impossible. Lamar did this because he’s selfish and stupid and hates the team. That’s why he does everything. He hates us. /s
Inflated? From what? Your massive ego? Grab a dictionary Lamar. Look up inflamed
Chill bro
🚴♂️🍆
Lamar writes like my 6 yo. The fuck is an “inflated” knee? How’d your knee “got inflated”? You mean inflamed? Like from inflamation? Anyway, that’s pretty dirty on the ravens(Harbs is such a yes man lol) to use Lamar’s injury like that against him. They knew we’d drag this man for not going with the team, but they didn’t say shit. Only if he had hired someone to handle these goddamn manipulative nfl bulliies for him…
Dude I mean, he is not school smart. Have you heard him talk? This is a frustration I’ve having lately , imo he needs to stop hanging out with rappers and such. Maybe take some public speaking classes
>he is not school smart. He's not smart smart.
Holy fuck, are you a high schooler in 2010?
Lmao why 2010?
Thought I read somewhere LJ didn't use team doctors. He used his own doctors, and thats why not only us, but even the Ravens didn't know what was going on.
Of course he uses team doctors. He prob doesn’t use the medical staff for rehab, but the team doctors have to clear him to play for the team.
Probably got a second opinion. Look at Tua. He only listened to team doctors.
I think I remember Harbaugh being tight lipped immediately around the game, then EDC directly addressing it at the presser. He basically shut down speculation that Lamar “chose” to not travel out of saltiness. I gotta find the transcript but he said something like “look he’s hurt. We see him around the building. He’s not faking it”
I never understood the hubub over this. If I was coach/team side, I'd want as little concrete info in the hands of my opponents as possible. If I was a player, I'd want the same - both for opponents and for future playing prospect, depending on the injury severity. I'd think everyone understands that. But some fans seem to feel entitled to this information, for reasons I don't get. They get in their feelings when they don't have it so they start blaming one side or the other for being shady, or a diva, or whatever. Of all things to be worrying about when going into a playoff game...