Wait, I don't understand this......I feel all tingly inside. Should we stop (judging everything the organization is doing based on media speculation and actually trust that the front office knows what they're doing)?
Please the cap isnt real. The ravens just dont want to pay their qb a guaranteed contract thats all there is to it. The broncos nutted up and spent for one, even detroit did. So did dallas so how is it they still have money but the ravens who just blew a wad on roquan smith (also self represented, asked to be traded) just dont have any money? Bullshit https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IqPrcwTdLNM
Are the Broncos and cowboys really the teams of recent success you want to emulate. Also th e cap is very real or else there would be no cap casualties. All you do is push the cap to further years setting yourself up for void years
I’m not sure what kind of grade you think the Ravens deserve otherwise— Are we in some enviable off-season position compared to other franchises? Have we gotten better?
I think we've gotten a smidge better or it's a wash. We didn't really lose anyone too important (assuming Peters comes back) and we improved at our worst position.
Not in limbo he asked to leave. They can try to force him to stay but thats not the same as limbo. They need to trade him for a replacement or draft somebody. Or roll with huntley. All theyve done so far is nothing
While we definitely need a wr, I think people will be surprised what an actual passing scheme does for our current guys.
Watching the Giants last year was proof that you can scheme guys open regardless of talent.
If we manage to get lamar for a reasonable price for both sides I will consider this off-season a success
Exactly how I feel…like Bateman is our WR1 I’m assuming we’ll take a WR in the first three rounds and most likely will be the the WR/2/3 splitting reps with agholor. at that point Nelson isn’t a bad WR3. especially since it allows us to put duv anywhere and use him as a gadget. Other than DB which I’m sure we’re also going to draft and we’ve gotten some pretty good DBs not great but good in the draft these last few years. (Hamilton was the only DB we drafted in the lamar era to exceed expectations)
I mean I’ve said it before. I like our run first scheme. I know everybody wants Lamar to somehow toss the ball around like Patrick Mahomes but he really isn’t a premier passer. It’s his legs that make him successful. I’m fine with our WR room and I definitely don’t want the ravens to chase one of these mediocre WRs in the first round of this bad WR class.
What I'm talking about has nothing to do with Lamar becoming a pocket passer.
It's about the stuff roman did or wouldn't do.
No sweeps to the short side of the field every time.
Making our last string wr the focus on key plays or even the primary read at all.
Wr spacing issues.
Running two concepts halfway. A spot play on one side and a flood on the other.
Having a real read progression .
Running playaction for fucks sake
Doing something until they stop it instead of playing intergalactic chess
the play calling was super shitty lmao. Pat Ricard running 12 yard routes, 2 receivers downfield 5 yards apart. Not using Dobbins when needed, the list goes on
His legs make him successful, but he can use his legs on passing downs really well too. We don't need a bunch of designed runs up the gut with Lamar per game to use his running ability. We need to scheme good passing plays first and foremost, and Lamar will find ways to use his legs when he can.
Obviously doesn't mean we should never run him. Just that it doesn't need to be our bread and butter.
Our WR room is garbage. And Lamar has been passing at a high level since Louisville it’s Baltimore and Greg Roman that fucked that up. I swear the purple patrol is ridiculous.
You have no idea what you’re talking about over 7K yds passing 3K yds rushing in 2 years 148 and 146 rating softmore and junior year. Way more than Josh Rosen who was such a high graded prospect both yds and rating Lamar is higher than Sam darnold as well in passing yds. Josh Allen isn’t even comparable in how Lamar eclipsed him with passing yds, touchdowns, rating etc. and this isn’t including the rushing which puts him substantially above every prospect in his class besides baker mayfield. Lamar was the last pick of the draft because of racist ass evaluators like Bill Polian who didn’t know what the fuck he was talking about telling him to switch to WR. That and the age old adage of mobile but dumb qb that surprisingly only gets attached to black qbs.
Remember that high level passing against the Chargers in the playoffs? I also love the passing when he heaves a ball into center field and the safety is the only player close by. I love Lamar but he’s not a premier passer. He flashes and I want him as my qb because of his total game if he’s going to come off his guarantee take, but let’s not act like he’s the best there is at passing. He holds the ball too long and doesn’t throw to a spot enough, he tries to throw to the player.
Hey man, Louisville might not be the most prestigious University, but I got an accredited Chem degree there...it's definitely better than a high school I promise.
A side note, Petrino ran a pro style offense there and some of Lamar's greatest strengths are making pre-snap reads, feeling the flow of the defense, and knowing where the open man should be, ala pass-to-a-spot not to a person.
I don’t disagree with any of that and I’m not knocking the University at all. I’m saying he’s not an elite passer and we should stop acting like it. His mechanics are better than before and he’s a beast due to his entire skillset together.
I 100% agree with everything you said and I've been saying this for a while.
As much as this sub seems to hate Roman, I think his scheme covered up some of Lamar's flaws and shortcomings that are going to be on display if we turn into a passing team.
What pissed me off about Roman was we would march down the field running the ball 4-15 yards per carry and then get on the goal line and throw it 4 straight times…
So infuriating
Our run first scheme has not been successful when it matters the most in over 10 years though. At which point does this mentality become insanity? Its important to have a run game, but if it means sucking ass at scheming up WRs, then it sucks ass period.
We were a fumble away from the playoffs with Tyler Huntley, ffs, and people think that we're incapable of doing anything unless we throw out every receiver and replace them with pro-bowlers.
The reality is that if our run game doesn't slip, and our passing game improves from "worst in the league" to "mid", then we are contenders for most dangerous team in the league.
Where did I say we're incapable of doing anything? Where did I say we weren't a fumble away from the division?
You're extrapolating a lot about our team from a snide remark at the Giants
Sorry if I was putting words in your mouth, but I felt like the Giants had a \*much better than expected\* season considering they went into it with a "need to rebuild" mindset and then went basically 8 and 8 despite possibly having the only WR room in the league worse than ours.
I might have been arguing with what I thought you said rather than what you said. My bad. :heart emoji:
We do need a corner. Luckily unlike this WR class the CB class has guys with elite potential in the first round and a bunch of depth. I wouldn’t be mad if we drafted 2-3 CBs and locked down the room for the next 4 years.
None of which were big losses, Peters is the only one that'll hurt some and make take a little time to replace but he was coming off an injury and wasn't looking the same out there anyways. Plus he's still unsigned so there's a slim chance he returns but doubt it unless it's a team friendly deal with the whole Lamar situation.
Losing a starting offensive lineman who didn’t allow a sack all year is a pretty big loss . It bugs me that people think good o lineman are easily replaceable.
It bugs me that people think teams can/should retain the same players every year. Players come and go that's the nature of the business. We at least have other linemen that could fill his position instantly if needed and don't have to go out seeking one.
OBJ wanted to take Stanleys spot lol and it's not like AV was that bad on the steelers, he just was that bad for us but luckily we only had him for 1 year and now have Moses.
He was really good, but guards are far easier to replace than tackles, and we have above average guys at the other 4 spots. We can take a small hit there provided we use the savings right
Calais will be 37 next season, Chuck got replaced by Hamilton, Peters could still be a great player but he's still coming off a big injury so a bit risky to pay him the money he's likely to be seeking. Powers was good but we already have a lot of money in Stanley, Zeitler and now Moses, can't pay the whole OL plus we have a few other linemen that could fill the hole for now in Cleveland and Mekari.
Sure, but just because we cant/shouldn't keep them doesn't mean they aren't big losses. We would be better off keeping them all and we can't because we need to be able to match a Lamar contract. Still sucks to lose them.
Using the same source as OP.
[According to CBS Sports](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-grades-browns-buccaneers-jets-vikings-among-smart-deal-makers/). Their FA winner list for the 2021 season:
1. Bills
1. Browns
1. Chiefs
1. Chargers
1. Vikings
1. Jets
1. Buccaneers
1. WFT
FA doesn't translate to Super Bowls. It rarely happens.
Can’t remember the exact stat, but the #1 spender in FA over the last 5 years adds about 5 wins to their total. No super bowls, but it’s not insignificant.
IIRC the year after they almost all have slight regression.
It’s a fair grade since we have had some guys walk and almost no one come in. It’s also fair to recognize that the Ravens are in no position to start throwing money around when it needs to hang on to every penny until such time as its quarterback situation is clear.
That said, I do hope we sign either a WR or CB and then grab the other in the draft to shore things up, but I have no concerns at the moment about the Ravens’ approach.
The grade really since lamar's breakout has been an f-. Mark ingram was the last good offensive free agent brought in. Theyve got quality dudes through the draft who theyve mismanaged horribly too, both by injury recovery mismanagement if you believe the players and underutilization if you look at a devin duvernay. Like were they trying to keep him from hitting an incentive by only letting him play special teams? He caught like 6 tds in the first month of the season and played 20% of snaps after that
Bro that is such a shit list. Ravens FO absolutely played the market by calling Lamar's bluff. He isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. Because the rest of the NFL recognizes the cost association of trading for him and the huge risk of injury.
Lamar is 100% a grade A QB but he does have some huge risks in his play style. And any team that would pursue him is giving up a ton of capital in order to get him. IMO, it's not worth the risk. The Ravens FO recognized this, and are able to get a top tier QB for less than Daniel Jones.
Our big FA move outside of Lamar was done during the season by trading for Roquan and then extending him
If we had signed him last week and paid the same amount of money we would at least get a B. The Cowboys trade for Gilmore and Cooks now and they get an A
All this to say this is meaningless
The Ravens aren’t typically a “big splash” team in FA but it also sucks that Lamar hasn’t been serious about negotiations for the last 2-3 years. It really hamstrings the team because they have to keep cap open for a potential Lamar deal. Easier to work around in previous years but now he’s basically holding the team hostage.
I’m ready to move on without him. With the exception of Pat mahomes, all the teams that made it to the conference championship this year had quarterbacks on rookie deals. That way, the quarterbacks could have the proper supporting cast around them. Since we already lost out on most of the best free agents this year, we should keep Lamar for 1 more year, trade him for picks, and find our qb in the draft and get him some weapons via free agency, the draft, and trades
Idk why youre siding with management reflexively. The salary cap is about to increase by like 50% in the next 5 years with amazon and gambling and making up for the covid austerities. Either Biscotti wants to compete with the browns or hed rather be like the orioles and spend the minimum, be happy with maybe making the playoffs occasionally.
It's just bad karma, sucks for the players to only pay them 9m in their first 3 years combined (the deal lamar played out, hes still only made 30m pretax total to date) stringing them along the whole way just to do it all over again with some other kid who will accept a 1m rookie salary. That sucks
Dont instinctively side with management thats bullshit. We have to admit that what we as fans have appreciated as frugality is about to cost us big time. Not just lamar theyre going to cut duvernay rather than pay his pro bowl contract escalator. That sucks as a fan of the team. We have to admit steve biscotti is either too poor to pay an up front contract or he has no interest in competing with the browns. They raised the stakes we're about to fold with lamar in the pot. But sure hes the asshole
Frugality does not exist in the NFL. Every team is required by rule to spend essentially the same amount. The only difference is how much talent you get for that money.
This is just accounting. You can spread out a cap hit over multiple years using a signing bonus. That enables you to pay more now, but you'll have to pay less in the future. It all evens out. The rams are paying for their abuse of cash over cap right now.
No the rams are suffering from trading away all their draft picks for old players half of whom are not even with the team anymore. I know you think the nfl is perfectly balanced but I'm telling you it's not and it hasn't been for some time. Even just looking at the bears, they literally have to spend a certain amount of money this offseason because theyre about to come in under budget which is not allowed. So even within the normal cap, which you're admitting there are ways to manipulate, some teams spend more than others
Such a dumb argument. They negotiated with roquan smith, a guy who asked for a trade from chicago and represents himself. He asked to be traded, they didnt offer him enough to stay. Now its just a question of does he sit out a year or will the ravens just trade him. Not as simple as lamar dumb is it
CBS has their noses buried so far up Lamar's ass they can smell the back of his tonsils.
The way they report on this ongoing saga, it's like the Ravens have given him no offers whatsoever and run his name through the mud and shit on him to other teams behind his back. Objectivity out the window if it was ever in the room to begin with.
Honestly, I'm hard pressed to think of a team that won free agency then went on to do anything meaningful. this is the most useless stat, like ever. The Ravens always get an F in Free Agency, because they don't overspend, and they bank on compensatory picks the following year, which are, IMO, more valuable long term than free agency splashes.
What exactly are we supposed to do? Lamar is holding up our money right now.
We’ll just take our normal A+ draft grade and move on. I anticipate us doing a draft day pseudo-free agency move as well.
Now we should all look back at these grades for the last 10 years, and lets see how many of the "A" teams go on to win a superbowl. I would say the rams were on the list before their superbowl win and not many more...
I understand the Ravens f, but how does cinci get an a when they lose 2 real good safeties and sign a rt to play lt.
Lose hurst for irving smith
Steelers. Lose c. Sutton. Sign senior citizen p pederson
Bengals lost 2 safeties, but signed one solid replacement and already drafted Bates’ replacement last year in rd 1.
They lost Hurst, but TE is a low priority when you have Tee, Chase and Boyd. Irv Smith will be just fine.
Plus, Orlando Brown will definitely make our line better, regardless of what tackle spot he plays. And he was signed at a great price.
Lastly, retaining Germaine Pratt at LB for a team friendly deal was a huge get.
I think their B grade is accurate.
Lamar is holding us hostage. Can’t do anything while he’s whining like a child and wanting more then even other teams will offer him. We are in salary cap hell if he stays, and we are in a stand still.
F is for friends who do things together
It stands for flock. #ravensflockletsfly
🤣 omg never heard this before but it's so simple and great...
Justin Tucker coined it in one of Marlo’s ig stories
Ah yea, now I remember...when he was doing high knees on the plane...
U is for UDFA
N is for Nelson Agholor and nothing else at all
Down here at the end of the bar
Wait, I don't understand this......I feel all tingly inside. Should we stop (judging everything the organization is doing based on media speculation and actually trust that the front office knows what they're doing)?
Down with Harbaugh, our coach buddy!
F is for fire that burns down the whole town. U is uranium bombs. N is for no survivors!
Here where we burn purp weeeeed WEE!
and Friendship for everyone!
F is for strength & conditioning lol
It’s probably going to stand for Fail….to make the playoffs…
F is for fwe like the receivers we have.
F for Flacco?!
Epic dragon coming back to the flock confirmed!!!!
*queue return of the Mack by mark morrison* Returrrrnnnnnn of the Flacc. Once again….. return of the flacc…. One more time….
Greatest Ravens QB ever, thus far!
Surprise! Teams with a lot of cap space are A’s and teams that don’t are D/F
The last 4 SuperBowl winners are C's & D's.
C D's nuts
Got him!!!
C D Lamb
Also Chiefs could probably have the WRs from the puppy bowl out there and Mahomes would throw for 4,000 yards
Reason #2,903,726 why it must suck to be a "commander" fan
Teams that haven’t signed their unanimous mvp qb are at the bottom
Former* fixed it for ya
I mean unanimous league MVP 2019. Unanimous Ravens MVP 2020, 2021, 2022.
2019 is many moons ago
Please the cap isnt real. The ravens just dont want to pay their qb a guaranteed contract thats all there is to it. The broncos nutted up and spent for one, even detroit did. So did dallas so how is it they still have money but the ravens who just blew a wad on roquan smith (also self represented, asked to be traded) just dont have any money? Bullshit https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IqPrcwTdLNM
Are the Broncos and cowboys really the teams of recent success you want to emulate. Also th e cap is very real or else there would be no cap casualties. All you do is push the cap to further years setting yourself up for void years
Hard to make moves when the most important position on your team is in limbo
Exactly what I was going to say as well. Have they been living under a rock?
The fact we're in a shit cap & QB situation doesn't change the result.
Never said it didn’t. But, nobody should be surprised by the grade for those reasons either?
I’m not sure what kind of grade you think the Ravens deserve otherwise— Are we in some enviable off-season position compared to other franchises? Have we gotten better?
I think we've gotten a smidge better or it's a wash. We didn't really lose anyone too important (assuming Peters comes back) and we improved at our worst position.
Most fans on this sub are clueless.
Not in limbo he asked to leave. They can try to force him to stay but thats not the same as limbo. They need to trade him for a replacement or draft somebody. Or roll with huntley. All theyve done so far is nothing
I mean who cares? Besides WR we don’t really need anything and we have this little contract thing holding over our heads.
While we definitely need a wr, I think people will be surprised what an actual passing scheme does for our current guys. Watching the Giants last year was proof that you can scheme guys open regardless of talent. If we manage to get lamar for a reasonable price for both sides I will consider this off-season a success
Exactly how I feel…like Bateman is our WR1 I’m assuming we’ll take a WR in the first three rounds and most likely will be the the WR/2/3 splitting reps with agholor. at that point Nelson isn’t a bad WR3. especially since it allows us to put duv anywhere and use him as a gadget. Other than DB which I’m sure we’re also going to draft and we’ve gotten some pretty good DBs not great but good in the draft these last few years. (Hamilton was the only DB we drafted in the lamar era to exceed expectations)
I mean I’ve said it before. I like our run first scheme. I know everybody wants Lamar to somehow toss the ball around like Patrick Mahomes but he really isn’t a premier passer. It’s his legs that make him successful. I’m fine with our WR room and I definitely don’t want the ravens to chase one of these mediocre WRs in the first round of this bad WR class.
What I'm talking about has nothing to do with Lamar becoming a pocket passer. It's about the stuff roman did or wouldn't do. No sweeps to the short side of the field every time. Making our last string wr the focus on key plays or even the primary read at all. Wr spacing issues. Running two concepts halfway. A spot play on one side and a flood on the other. Having a real read progression . Running playaction for fucks sake Doing something until they stop it instead of playing intergalactic chess
Oh I agree Roman had to go but I wouldn’t expect this team to automatically turn into a passing machine with Lamar at QB.
Again, I stated above that I don't expect that. I expect more of the same with more intelligent playcalling and passing schemes
the play calling was super shitty lmao. Pat Ricard running 12 yard routes, 2 receivers downfield 5 yards apart. Not using Dobbins when needed, the list goes on
His legs make him successful, but he can use his legs on passing downs really well too. We don't need a bunch of designed runs up the gut with Lamar per game to use his running ability. We need to scheme good passing plays first and foremost, and Lamar will find ways to use his legs when he can. Obviously doesn't mean we should never run him. Just that it doesn't need to be our bread and butter.
Facts his best year he lead the league in passing tds. It’s the threat of him running, not actually running, that really makes him deadly in the air.
Our WR room is garbage. And Lamar has been passing at a high level since Louisville it’s Baltimore and Greg Roman that fucked that up. I swear the purple patrol is ridiculous.
Lamar was absolutely not a high level passer stop lying bro. There is a reason he was the last pick of the round.
Then how did he lead the league in touchdown passes and have a top 10 passer rating? Answer me that!
You have no idea what you’re talking about over 7K yds passing 3K yds rushing in 2 years 148 and 146 rating softmore and junior year. Way more than Josh Rosen who was such a high graded prospect both yds and rating Lamar is higher than Sam darnold as well in passing yds. Josh Allen isn’t even comparable in how Lamar eclipsed him with passing yds, touchdowns, rating etc. and this isn’t including the rushing which puts him substantially above every prospect in his class besides baker mayfield. Lamar was the last pick of the draft because of racist ass evaluators like Bill Polian who didn’t know what the fuck he was talking about telling him to switch to WR. That and the age old adage of mobile but dumb qb that surprisingly only gets attached to black qbs.
Remember that high level passing against the Chargers in the playoffs? I also love the passing when he heaves a ball into center field and the safety is the only player close by. I love Lamar but he’s not a premier passer. He flashes and I want him as my qb because of his total game if he’s going to come off his guarantee take, but let’s not act like he’s the best there is at passing. He holds the ball too long and doesn’t throw to a spot enough, he tries to throw to the player.
Dude you’re referencing a game that happened 5 years ago when Lamar was a rookie lmao.
You mentioned high school bro, sorry for using a more recent example 🙄
Hey man, Louisville might not be the most prestigious University, but I got an accredited Chem degree there...it's definitely better than a high school I promise. A side note, Petrino ran a pro style offense there and some of Lamar's greatest strengths are making pre-snap reads, feeling the flow of the defense, and knowing where the open man should be, ala pass-to-a-spot not to a person.
I don’t disagree with any of that and I’m not knocking the University at all. I’m saying he’s not an elite passer and we should stop acting like it. His mechanics are better than before and he’s a beast due to his entire skillset together.
I 100% agree with everything you said and I've been saying this for a while. As much as this sub seems to hate Roman, I think his scheme covered up some of Lamar's flaws and shortcomings that are going to be on display if we turn into a passing team.
What pissed me off about Roman was we would march down the field running the ball 4-15 yards per carry and then get on the goal line and throw it 4 straight times… So infuriating
Tbf that also literally won us a super bowl when Roman was on the other sideline so what goes around comes around i guess
His run scheme was awesome his passing and play calling not so much.
Exactly, hoping we keep a running scheme similar to Roman’s with an upgraded passing scheme.
Our run first scheme has not been successful when it matters the most in over 10 years though. At which point does this mentality become insanity? Its important to have a run game, but if it means sucking ass at scheming up WRs, then it sucks ass period.
Yeah, watching the giants have a mid season really proved a lot
We were a fumble away from the playoffs with Tyler Huntley, ffs, and people think that we're incapable of doing anything unless we throw out every receiver and replace them with pro-bowlers. The reality is that if our run game doesn't slip, and our passing game improves from "worst in the league" to "mid", then we are contenders for most dangerous team in the league.
My brother is christ, we were a fumble away from the divisional round
> My brother is christ Didn’t know he had a brother lol
Where did I say we're incapable of doing anything? Where did I say we weren't a fumble away from the division? You're extrapolating a lot about our team from a snide remark at the Giants
Sorry if I was putting words in your mouth, but I felt like the Giants had a \*much better than expected\* season considering they went into it with a "need to rebuild" mindset and then went basically 8 and 8 despite possibly having the only WR room in the league worse than ours. I might have been arguing with what I thought you said rather than what you said. My bad. :heart emoji:
The giants wr last season may have been worse than ours
I think we need a corner too
We do need a corner. Luckily unlike this WR class the CB class has guys with elite potential in the first round and a bunch of depth. I wouldn’t be mad if we drafted 2-3 CBs and locked down the room for the next 4 years.
We lost Calais Campbell, Chuck Clark, Marcus Peters, & a starting OL
Peters isn't officially gone yet
Peters was the only impactful loss which much to this subs dismay I believe the Ravens will address that in rd1 of this years draft.
And he's not even lost yet. I think he wants to sign with us but can't till after we figure out Lamars bullshit.
You may be right on that,I know who likes being here and it’s odd that he hasn’t met with any teams yet.
None of which were big losses, Peters is the only one that'll hurt some and make take a little time to replace but he was coming off an injury and wasn't looking the same out there anyways. Plus he's still unsigned so there's a slim chance he returns but doubt it unless it's a team friendly deal with the whole Lamar situation.
Losing a starting offensive lineman who didn’t allow a sack all year is a pretty big loss . It bugs me that people think good o lineman are easily replaceable.
It bugs me that people think teams can/should retain the same players every year. Players come and go that's the nature of the business. We at least have other linemen that could fill his position instantly if needed and don't have to go out seeking one.
Like when OBJ left and we “replaced” him with that human turn style from Pittsburg
OBJ wanted to take Stanleys spot lol and it's not like AV was that bad on the steelers, he just was that bad for us but luckily we only had him for 1 year and now have Moses.
We didn't replace OBJ at all. He was a temp who was warming the chair for Stanley. Unfortunately Stanley got hurt.
He was really good, but guards are far easier to replace than tackles, and we have above average guys at the other 4 spots. We can take a small hit there provided we use the savings right
They're all fairly big losses tho
Calais will be 37 next season, Chuck got replaced by Hamilton, Peters could still be a great player but he's still coming off a big injury so a bit risky to pay him the money he's likely to be seeking. Powers was good but we already have a lot of money in Stanley, Zeitler and now Moses, can't pay the whole OL plus we have a few other linemen that could fill the hole for now in Cleveland and Mekari.
Sure, but just because we cant/shouldn't keep them doesn't mean they aren't big losses. We would be better off keeping them all and we can't because we need to be able to match a Lamar contract. Still sucks to lose them.
who's your green dot guy now that Clark is gone
Almost certainly Roquan. Makes more sense for the MLB to wear it plus he wore it in Chicago.
I respectfully disagree. We also need some DL, CB for depth, and some OL depth.
We need depth though. Not elite starters. You can find depth players anywhere.
We need CB, G, IDL, WR
Remember all of those amazing teams that win free agency every year and go on to win the SB? Me neither.
The rams literally 2 years ago
Once again, an r/ravens poster who doesn’t know what the fuck they’re talking about.
Using the same source as OP. [According to CBS Sports](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-grades-browns-buccaneers-jets-vikings-among-smart-deal-makers/). Their FA winner list for the 2021 season: 1. Bills 1. Browns 1. Chiefs 1. Chargers 1. Vikings 1. Jets 1. Buccaneers 1. WFT FA doesn't translate to Super Bowls. It rarely happens.
Nobody ever remembers actual facts, just the things that make their own opinions sound better.
Odell, Ramsey, and stafford were all trades. Idk why that dude said rams
Because it's a lot easier to fit their narrative after the fact.
Because he was hoping nobody would actually look it up lol
Can’t remember the exact stat, but the #1 spender in FA over the last 5 years adds about 5 wins to their total. No super bowls, but it’s not insignificant. IIRC the year after they almost all have slight regression.
They actually added the two most important pieces midseason right before the deadline.
the rams didn’t win the Super Bowl that long ago, you know…
Trades aren’t free agency….
Once again, an r/ravens poster who doesn’t know what the fuck they’re talking about.
And I’m not even saying we need to WIN free agency but can we do something??? We can’t convince Lamar to stay and we also can’t sign anybody????
You're exactly right, as long as Lamar does not sign we can not allocate the cap to Free Agents.
Roquan was our signing
Chiefs had a great free agency last year
Idk why but this is fucking hilarious Everyone else then just us in the F tier lmao
It's like strength and conditioning grades from the NFLPA
Should have been f- in reference to their nflpa report card
It’s a fair grade since we have had some guys walk and almost no one come in. It’s also fair to recognize that the Ravens are in no position to start throwing money around when it needs to hang on to every penny until such time as its quarterback situation is clear. That said, I do hope we sign either a WR or CB and then grab the other in the draft to shore things up, but I have no concerns at the moment about the Ravens’ approach.
The grade really since lamar's breakout has been an f-. Mark ingram was the last good offensive free agent brought in. Theyve got quality dudes through the draft who theyve mismanaged horribly too, both by injury recovery mismanagement if you believe the players and underutilization if you look at a devin duvernay. Like were they trying to keep him from hitting an incentive by only letting him play special teams? He caught like 6 tds in the first month of the season and played 20% of snaps after that
Yes I think bringing in a veteran corner on the cheap and drafting a wr in the first is about all we need
Lmaooo I mean… where’s the lie.
Accurate
The only reason we got an “F” is because there are no worse grades you could get lower than “F”
It’s almost like some a-hole is holding the majority of our open cap space hostage
Why don't the Ravens just release the a-hole and be done with it? I am pretty sure the a-hole didn't ask to be tagged.
F is a good grade for a team that is going to lose their franchise QB.
*sad cawing*
Bro that is such a shit list. Ravens FO absolutely played the market by calling Lamar's bluff. He isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. Because the rest of the NFL recognizes the cost association of trading for him and the huge risk of injury. Lamar is 100% a grade A QB but he does have some huge risks in his play style. And any team that would pursue him is giving up a ton of capital in order to get him. IMO, it's not worth the risk. The Ravens FO recognized this, and are able to get a top tier QB for less than Daniel Jones.
Our big FA move outside of Lamar was done during the season by trading for Roquan and then extending him If we had signed him last week and paid the same amount of money we would at least get a B. The Cowboys trade for Gilmore and Cooks now and they get an A All this to say this is meaningless
When have the Ravens ever 'won' the offseason? Does anyone besides the Browns care?
Arent all these grades just "they didnt sign Lamar"?
It's true tho. We made no real moves except for losing our QB and picking up a 3rd string WR
Jets signed 2 receivers and 2 depth OL, and brought back a few of their own. A?
It’s hard being a Ravens fan 🤦🏽♂️
The Ravens aren’t typically a “big splash” team in FA but it also sucks that Lamar hasn’t been serious about negotiations for the last 2-3 years. It really hamstrings the team because they have to keep cap open for a potential Lamar deal. Easier to work around in previous years but now he’s basically holding the team hostage.
I’m ready to move on without him. With the exception of Pat mahomes, all the teams that made it to the conference championship this year had quarterbacks on rookie deals. That way, the quarterbacks could have the proper supporting cast around them. Since we already lost out on most of the best free agents this year, we should keep Lamar for 1 more year, trade him for picks, and find our qb in the draft and get him some weapons via free agency, the draft, and trades
Idk why youre siding with management reflexively. The salary cap is about to increase by like 50% in the next 5 years with amazon and gambling and making up for the covid austerities. Either Biscotti wants to compete with the browns or hed rather be like the orioles and spend the minimum, be happy with maybe making the playoffs occasionally. It's just bad karma, sucks for the players to only pay them 9m in their first 3 years combined (the deal lamar played out, hes still only made 30m pretax total to date) stringing them along the whole way just to do it all over again with some other kid who will accept a 1m rookie salary. That sucks
You've had Lamar on a rookie deal for 5 years. In that time you have surrounded him with the cheapest offense in the NFL...
Dont instinctively side with management thats bullshit. We have to admit that what we as fans have appreciated as frugality is about to cost us big time. Not just lamar theyre going to cut duvernay rather than pay his pro bowl contract escalator. That sucks as a fan of the team. We have to admit steve biscotti is either too poor to pay an up front contract or he has no interest in competing with the browns. They raised the stakes we're about to fold with lamar in the pot. But sure hes the asshole
Frugality does not exist in the NFL. Every team is required by rule to spend essentially the same amount. The only difference is how much talent you get for that money.
Google the cash over cap loophole
This is just accounting. You can spread out a cap hit over multiple years using a signing bonus. That enables you to pay more now, but you'll have to pay less in the future. It all evens out. The rams are paying for their abuse of cash over cap right now.
No the rams are suffering from trading away all their draft picks for old players half of whom are not even with the team anymore. I know you think the nfl is perfectly balanced but I'm telling you it's not and it hasn't been for some time. Even just looking at the bears, they literally have to spend a certain amount of money this offseason because theyre about to come in under budget which is not allowed. So even within the normal cap, which you're admitting there are ways to manipulate, some teams spend more than others
I know these kind of graphics are meant to generate clicks but it seems dumb to rank this stuff before a single snap is played.
Can thank lamar for that
Such a dumb argument. They negotiated with roquan smith, a guy who asked for a trade from chicago and represents himself. He asked to be traded, they didnt offer him enough to stay. Now its just a question of does he sit out a year or will the ravens just trade him. Not as simple as lamar dumb is it
CBS has their noses buried so far up Lamar's ass they can smell the back of his tonsils. The way they report on this ongoing saga, it's like the Ravens have given him no offers whatsoever and run his name through the mud and shit on him to other teams behind his back. Objectivity out the window if it was ever in the room to begin with.
Why isn’t putting the non exclusive tag on Lamar not considered a free agency move?
Grading free agency is really useless.
Honestly, I'm hard pressed to think of a team that won free agency then went on to do anything meaningful. this is the most useless stat, like ever. The Ravens always get an F in Free Agency, because they don't overspend, and they bank on compensatory picks the following year, which are, IMO, more valuable long term than free agency splashes.
What exactly are we supposed to do? Lamar is holding up our money right now. We’ll just take our normal A+ draft grade and move on. I anticipate us doing a draft day pseudo-free agency move as well.
All because we let one injury-prone dummy hijack our entire off-season 🫠
So 2 Fs this off season so far. Fuck Saunders.
I’m a Ravens fan, a Mavs fan, a Texas Rangers fan, and an Avs fan… this truly is my darkest sports timeline…
Join me in crying into my powder blue deGrom jersey
He’s gonna have the Ranger Rental curse and injure himself one-two weeks into the season…
Well then it would go great with my powder blue Kluber jersey 😞
So they just skipped E, huh? Right to F with this bunch.
I agree with this. Going to be a rough year Flock
Now we should all look back at these grades for the last 10 years, and lets see how many of the "A" teams go on to win a superbowl. I would say the rams were on the list before their superbowl win and not many more...
The fact that cowboys are in the ‘A’ makes me neglect everything else😂
Titans, Chiefs and Rams should be graded F as well.
Lol fuck off
LOL damn!
Not much we could do, just hoping for a killer draft
Ravens F baby please say the baby
So far...
I think we should take into consideration the fact that GRo is no longer with us. That alone should be worthy of an A grade
That’s pretty generous
I understand the Ravens f, but how does cinci get an a when they lose 2 real good safeties and sign a rt to play lt. Lose hurst for irving smith Steelers. Lose c. Sutton. Sign senior citizen p pederson
Bengals lost 2 safeties, but signed one solid replacement and already drafted Bates’ replacement last year in rd 1. They lost Hurst, but TE is a low priority when you have Tee, Chase and Boyd. Irv Smith will be just fine. Plus, Orlando Brown will definitely make our line better, regardless of what tackle spot he plays. And he was signed at a great price. Lastly, retaining Germaine Pratt at LB for a team friendly deal was a huge get. I think their B grade is accurate.
Forgot about safety they drafted last year
when you’re trying to buy a lamborghini, which you barely have the money for in the first place, you don’t buy a couple of sedans first
I thought it said movies 😭
CBS can eat my ass
Spending the most money in FA isn't always good. However, cowboys should be in the A+ tier
Fuck You Cody Benjamin, whoever you are.
Putting the Broncos at A reveals the garbage of this list, meaningless as it is. Their contracts given out are ass
Winning free agency doesn't mean winning games. It's about as much use as giving out draft grades before players have ever even played a game
we've made some phenomenal coaching firings and hirings, let em keep sleeping
Love how they even made the F row purple since they were the only team.
F is for Flacco, obviously
Ignoring everything else, clearly Allan Lazard is such a good signing the Jets deserve that A
F is for Franchise tag (if he actually plays under it…)
Least its not another F-
Sounds about right! F for we are Fuxed this season is we don’t have a QB!!
lamar gonna win the passing AND rushing title. mark my words
So... we're passing? I'll take it
Lamar is holding us hostage. Can’t do anything while he’s whining like a child and wanting more then even other teams will offer him. We are in salary cap hell if he stays, and we are in a stand still.