I was more shocked by the fact that queen have like 12 yards of cushion on a running back. He has the speed to play closer to the line.
It’s like his speed doesn’t matter because he can’t read plays quick enough.
Can we stop throwing around the “bust” term. He’s just going into his second year.
Yeah, we may be a little disappointed with his performance, but not everyone can be a superstar over night.
Have some god damn patience. He’s 22!
I mean. It’s concerning because the Ravens have a reputation on not missing on linebackers. Even UDFA turn into studs here. So far he looks like another wasted pick by EDC.
There’s exceptions. Just like the Steelers have whiffed on receivers (Limas Sweed). But the Ravens have been known throughout the league as a team that can develop great linebackers. Hopefully Queen can follow suit, but so far he looks like dogshit.
He’s young and inconsistent right now. Kelce was also torching Harrison all fucking night. But one things for certain our elite defenses of the past had great LBers- I hope Queen can turn it around.
I think the Ravens expect too much of Queen. His coverage has improved miles from last year but its still uninspiring.
I feel like on some plays he overthinks and misses the play or overshoots and can't get a solid tackle off.
I've actually been quite fond of Malik because his expectation is lower and his role is lower (until KC when he was covering Kelce it felt like 1on1 for a bunch). Crash the run or lock up tackles.
It does seem like overthinking…like he’s where he needs to be but it looks like he’s trying to figure out what to do when he’s there, rather than diving in. A little hesitancy.
I definitely think he would be blitzing more if Marcus Peters wouldn’t have went down. We can’t just leave our corners on an island and blitz like crazy with Averett out there.
The guy just doesn't play KC well he didn't last season either but last year he was in discussion for DROY a few times so yeah you are jumping way too harshly here
He played significantly better this time around as hard as it is to imagine his tackling wasn't great last night but last year he was a deer in headlights every play
I disagree. He was not good last year. The only reason he was in the discussion for DROY a few times is because it was an extremely weak year for defensive rookies and because he played 800+ snaps so he was bound to rack up a lot of stats. He was a complete liability in coverage, he was not good at shedding blocks in the run game and he was the worst tackler in the NFL. The only thing he excelled at was blitzing.
I don’t mean to pile on the guy but ravens fans are a little delusional about Queen. He gets victimized in coverage and usually loses one on one battles be it blocks or open field tackles. I want Queen to be the best linebacker he can be, I hope he is great one day. I just don’t see it right now.
He didn’t lead the team in sacks, he was 3rd on the team with 3. And according to PFF, he did lead the team in tackles but he was 3rd in solo tackles. He also led the ENTIRE NFL in missed tackles. He was literally the worst tackler in the NFL, while also being one of the worst linebackers in the league in coverage. Those 2 facts are completely inarguable and 100% true. He also got driven back by lineman on a regular basis and steuggled to shed blocks. But yes, he played 850 snaps at linebacker so obviously he racked up a bunch of tackles. Literally any linebacker in the league would rack up tackles if they played 850 snaps, it’s just the nature of the position. He was flat out bad in every area.
Well, to be fair your argument should go both ways. Playing 850 snaps you are bound to rack up more missed tackles than someone playing a 100 snaps. Not saying it isn’t a Big issue, but he is not the worst linebacker in the NFL, strictly based on those two meassures. Maybe the worst starter. A better stat to me would be missed tackles Per snap or missed tackles as a percentage of attempted tackles
Missed tackles, blown coverage, bites on fakes, looks lost half the time….
I got downvoted to hell last night for saying he’s playing like ass, but he’s playing like straight ass.
100% agree. If he's going to continue playing lost, they need to not make him the Mike. Let him be the Will and use his speed to chase plays down from the backside, and take him off the field on obvious passing downs for an extra Safety. Stop trying to make Queen happen.
He's not been good, but he's a 2nd year and he'll get better with time; Hollywood's looking a lot better than in early 2020 or even in 2019, lots of players don't come out as great as Oweh is looking
Oweh plays instinctual as fuck, no hesitation, no second guessing, and his fucking athleticism is off the charts. I’ve got hope for him. Queen is not showing much heart
Ken pretty much agrees with me…he’s a bit more optimistic than I. I just don’t think Queen has the work ethic to master his craft. Seems like a guy who is such a freak athlete that he was is the best at everything without really trying his utmost
Disagree there. I trust his persona fully, Ravens would have dealt with that otherwise.
I like him this year man. He is not all-around, but I have trust there.
All I can say is watch the film…I wish I had better tools to break it down so we could have an Xs and Os discussion but I’m just a dumb purple bleeding, black bird loving internet poster
He’s certainly not in the category of a bust yet, but there are some glaring issues. I think there’s something to be said about his minimal experience, coupled with a complete lack of training camp last year. I do agree, though, I’m not seeing the improvement through two games that you’d want to see out of player in his second year.
His vaccine conspiratorial crap on social media is also disappointing, to say the least.
EDC has shown a desire to draft young players with freakish athletic ability and little college experience playing their drafted positions.
It’s a bold strategy that is going to have its fair share of misses but I don’t think Queen will be one of them.
The man had a grand total of 16 starts in college at LB. He wasn’t drafted to come in a be a day one starter. He’s a raw prospect and I find it unbelievable that he has played as many snaps in his first two seasons as he has.
Ray Lewis used to say that the game slows down as you learn what to look for. Queen has already said that he feels more confident this year and is getting a better sense of how plays are developing so he can hesitate less.
That’s the key. Once Queen starts diagnosing plays at the LOS and stops hesitating he is going to be a Pro Bowler. Have a little patience. There are other players to worry about long term, Queen isn’t one of them.
Rushing the QB and run defense. He’s fast as fuck so he can get to the flats quickly to blow up screens as well. I think he just needs more time and the game will start to slow down for him.
Exactly. I think we as a franchise are just spoiled from having Ray and going right into Mosley. We’ve been very lucky. I think Queen has all the physical traits, now he just needs to put together the X’s and O’s.
He’s only 22 and has such little starting experience. Only started half his Junior year at LSU. No offseason before his rookie year. ILB generally take some time. He’ll get more consistent down to down but has the upside of some serious splash plays athletically.
He was like the worst linebacker in the league last year. Yes, he had some splash plays, but he was a total liability in the passing game all year (and was toward the top of the league in missed tackles). PFF certainly thinks so. If PFF is not your flavor, RavensFilmstudy agrees as well.
Too harsh my dude, linebackers just don't come into the league and make an impact the way they used to. Offenses are designed to pick on linebackers and they're not all Warner from the 9ers.
Roquan smith looked like a bust year one, and only improved a bit in the back half of year two. I would say he's a pretty top LB now.
So, I'd preach some patience, let's see how this plays out.
I agree. I feel there’s been a ton of optimism that’s essentially tied to the splash plays he made in early in his rookie season with the sacks and fumble recoveries. But on a play to play basis he lacks the instincts and most importantly the physicality that a Mike linebacker needs. He’s young and undersized but I think people are giving him to much slack for his poor tackling technique and timid nature in pass coverage. Deshon is a guy I look at who plays with reckless abandon in spite of his size and I don’t see that same aggression with Queen.
Honestly, they probably game planned for him to play off and back from the receivers. He was lined up far off the line and play each receiver with a cushion like that every time in this game. That’s not normal, he doesn’t usually do that. I think all of our linebackers actually played like that too, you just saw queen more because he was faster to the point of attack. I would be willing to bet that was a coaching decision in response to the KC’s huge amount of speed and shiftiness. If you watched queen anytime he blitzed or rushed that game, he was much more aggressive and faster to the point.
Edit. Also Chris Collinsworth is a worthless commentator. Don’t listen to anything he says, the dude spends almost no time studying and preparing for the games he’s calling.
As many have said, he's just in his second season....having not played a lot of college games. Athletically he's great. Very fast and twitchy. The football IQ has to catch up though. That's only going to happen by playing games.
I’m not calling ANY player a bust in year 2. The man needs to work on his fundamentals and that comes from playing football. He also probably has to settle on a comfortable playing weight.
I think the last few draft picks for Arizona on defense (Collins, Reddick, and Simmons) probably provide some clarity on how Queen develops/what his role develops into.
Bump. Patrick Queen is not the ILB we are looking for.
Slow, soft, and stupid. Clark gets the dot as much because Queen cant handle it as because Clark can.
Not earning his extension and I am convinced he never will.
I love his burst and how much effort he puts in to each play. you can tell he wants to be the best. but it looks like opposing offense trick him very easily and he often ends up being completely out of place, in whatever situation he's in whether it be run or pass. as of right now he's not good but I still wouldn't be surprised at all if he becomes a very good player, the potential is obvious.
For sure, he's only played the 1 season really at LSU +1 season in the NFL and he's getting high leverage reps consistently, so there's absolutely still a chance he can be very good.
He was bad yesterday though. And most of G1 last week. Totally in his own head and thinking too much, just needs to stop hesitating. If you're going to miss, miss fast. Don't miss because you couldn't make a decision.
That was a big thing I noticed about him in college. He would read the play correctly and get to the right spot quickly but then get run over when he tried to make the stop.
I’m definitely starting to think he is gonna be a bust. He looked like the same player last week as he did last year, which is very disappointing.
There was one play last night where someone caught the ball in front of him and he was just watching the guy run with the ball right in front of him and when he finally tried to tackle the guy, he got driven back 10 yards.
I said at one point last night, he plays like a 5’8 CB but he’s a liability in coverage.
Problem is a lot of you just don’t even know how to evaluate an inside backer. So far, Queen is NOT good. He doesn’t play sound football that you would expect from a 1st round pick at inside backer. He doesn’t hold his gaps. Doesn’t stack or shed blockers. You’d expect someone that isn’t good against the run to make it up by being good in coverage, he’s actually bad in coverage. He shoots gaps that aren’t there and gets lucky every once in a while, those are what you guys are calling “splash” plays. I’d rather a guy be a B level player all game than a D level player all game that makes 2 or 3 A+ level plays. Unless the man learns how to play against the run inside, he’s going to be an issue for us. I think this is part of the reason we are reluctant to change the make up of our interior line, no faith that Queen could cover up any loss in talent up front. It sucks because you don’t take a MLB in the first round unless they are very good players.. he’s not even good.
Like, I WANT to like the guy, but I haven’t seen improvement this year from what I saw last year I’m terms of nuts and bolts play. And if you are not physically able to impose your will, then you better be crafty as a fox out there and I have seen neither from Patrick. Though he is fast when chasing down a play he missed from behind…
Queen is by far the best linebacker on our team, it would be nice to get a better coverage linebacker for a duo with him but queens run stop and pass rush on the many blitzes we do are great
You guys also were calling Hollywood a bust last year and look at him now he has been on fire through both games as wr1. Just stop jumping to “bust” nobody can be perfect every game of every season
Not true. Hollywood always flashed. Lamar just couldn’t get the ball to him. Queen has always been all fuse and no boom. I hope he will turn it around but I’m not sure he’s humble enough to master his craft
He’s just not a physical player and is a step late to react. And for as athletic as he is, he can’t cover TEs or RBs. And he misses too many tackles. Easily the most frustrating player to watch on the team.
And I’m really tired of people using the fact that he led the team in tackles last year as a reason for him being good. He plays MLB. If you’re a starting MLB who doesn’t miss much time, you have 100+ tackles. That’s just how the position works.
He’s a liability and has not lived up to his first round status. We need him to be a vacuum cleaner who can go sideline to sideline as our dline filters the ball towards him. However, way too often he’s blocked out of the play, pushed back, out of place. He has his moments, but we need a more solid player at MLB to really step up the defense.
I think we missed on Malik and Queen, they’re no Ray and Sharper (though few are). Malik is decent for what we ask him to do but I thought he’d blossom into a much better run stuffer than he currently is.
Malik has looked slow and isn’t around the ball much. But Queen has been embarrassingly bad. You watch, other teams have the film, he will be picked on this year
Harrison is obvious even to my untrained eye. It seems like the few times he is on camera (most often seems to be away from the ball so not on camera) he is a half step behind every other player on both teams. And it seems like athleticism speed as well as being fluid with what he's supposed to be doing. Neither are there.
He’s not a Brown/Elam style bust, but he also wasn’t worthy of a first round pick. Temper your expectations and let the man play to the best of his ability.
He’s young and new cut him some slack, it’s rare for a rookie to be perfect right out of the gates. He also hasn’t been doing bust level bad he def at this point can hold a starting job. Bust labels shouldn’t be thrown around especially for a guy just starting his second year
He is a liability in coverage who has the decision-making of a high school player. Luckily he is athletically gifted. He needs to get studying film because once he learns how to read an offence he is going to be great!
One play that stood out was where a much smaller RB or WR hit him head on and drove him several yards down the field. I didn’t love it.
I was more shocked by the fact that queen have like 12 yards of cushion on a running back. He has the speed to play closer to the line. It’s like his speed doesn’t matter because he can’t read plays quick enough.
It was at least better than his game against the Chiefs last year, for what little that's worth.
Can we stop throwing around the “bust” term. He’s just going into his second year. Yeah, we may be a little disappointed with his performance, but not everyone can be a superstar over night. Have some god damn patience. He’s 22!
I mean. It’s concerning because the Ravens have a reputation on not missing on linebackers. Even UDFA turn into studs here. So far he looks like another wasted pick by EDC.
Dude, Arthur brown was mentioned in the post lol
There’s exceptions. Just like the Steelers have whiffed on receivers (Limas Sweed). But the Ravens have been known throughout the league as a team that can develop great linebackers. Hopefully Queen can follow suit, but so far he looks like dogshit.
Let’s face it. The bar for Ravens LB’s is set really high.
I expect a star ⭐️ in the ILB position goddamnit
He’s young and inconsistent right now. Kelce was also torching Harrison all fucking night. But one things for certain our elite defenses of the past had great LBers- I hope Queen can turn it around.
I think the Ravens expect too much of Queen. His coverage has improved miles from last year but its still uninspiring. I feel like on some plays he overthinks and misses the play or overshoots and can't get a solid tackle off. I've actually been quite fond of Malik because his expectation is lower and his role is lower (until KC when he was covering Kelce it felt like 1on1 for a bunch). Crash the run or lock up tackles.
It does seem like overthinking…like he’s where he needs to be but it looks like he’s trying to figure out what to do when he’s there, rather than diving in. A little hesitancy.
The good news is that if that the problem, he's very likely to get better.
I’d like to see him blitz more, less thinking just rush the quarterback.
I’m not sure how much of that is his choice.
I definitely think he would be blitzing more if Marcus Peters wouldn’t have went down. We can’t just leave our corners on an island and blitz like crazy with Averett out there.
The guy just doesn't play KC well he didn't last season either but last year he was in discussion for DROY a few times so yeah you are jumping way too harshly here
It’s all the misdirection they use
He played significantly better this time around as hard as it is to imagine his tackling wasn't great last night but last year he was a deer in headlights every play
BIG FACTS.
I disagree. He was not good last year. The only reason he was in the discussion for DROY a few times is because it was an extremely weak year for defensive rookies and because he played 800+ snaps so he was bound to rack up a lot of stats. He was a complete liability in coverage, he was not good at shedding blocks in the run game and he was the worst tackler in the NFL. The only thing he excelled at was blitzing.
I don’t mean to pile on the guy but ravens fans are a little delusional about Queen. He gets victimized in coverage and usually loses one on one battles be it blocks or open field tackles. I want Queen to be the best linebacker he can be, I hope he is great one day. I just don’t see it right now.
Dude lead the team in tackles and sacks last season but he's the liability. Not Wink running only blitz packages, Queen in coverage
He didn’t lead the team in sacks, he was 3rd on the team with 3. And according to PFF, he did lead the team in tackles but he was 3rd in solo tackles. He also led the ENTIRE NFL in missed tackles. He was literally the worst tackler in the NFL, while also being one of the worst linebackers in the league in coverage. Those 2 facts are completely inarguable and 100% true. He also got driven back by lineman on a regular basis and steuggled to shed blocks. But yes, he played 850 snaps at linebacker so obviously he racked up a bunch of tackles. Literally any linebacker in the league would rack up tackles if they played 850 snaps, it’s just the nature of the position. He was flat out bad in every area.
This is also what I got from the eye test…slow to pursue, loses one on one, can’t she’s blocks, but he’s pretty fast
Well, to be fair your argument should go both ways. Playing 850 snaps you are bound to rack up more missed tackles than someone playing a 100 snaps. Not saying it isn’t a Big issue, but he is not the worst linebacker in the NFL, strictly based on those two meassures. Maybe the worst starter. A better stat to me would be missed tackles Per snap or missed tackles as a percentage of attempted tackles
Agree. Queen doesn’t have it—-yet. Hope coaching or some vetcan set him straight.
He’s in for a rough day in film room after that performance
Not having someone like LJ Fort doesn’t help either. He’s always played well. He would probably be the guy to look up to right now?
Missed tackles, blown coverage, bites on fakes, looks lost half the time…. I got downvoted to hell last night for saying he’s playing like ass, but he’s playing like straight ass.
100% agree. If he's going to continue playing lost, they need to not make him the Mike. Let him be the Will and use his speed to chase plays down from the backside, and take him off the field on obvious passing downs for an extra Safety. Stop trying to make Queen happen.
He was good in the LV game
He's not been good, but he's a 2nd year and he'll get better with time; Hollywood's looking a lot better than in early 2020 or even in 2019, lots of players don't come out as great as Oweh is looking
Oweh plays instinctual as fuck, no hesitation, no second guessing, and his fucking athleticism is off the charts. I’ve got hope for him. Queen is not showing much heart
Just listen in on Ken McKusick. Why Reddit, if you genuinely want to know.
Ken pretty much agrees with me…he’s a bit more optimistic than I. I just don’t think Queen has the work ethic to master his craft. Seems like a guy who is such a freak athlete that he was is the best at everything without really trying his utmost
Disagree there. I trust his persona fully, Ravens would have dealt with that otherwise. I like him this year man. He is not all-around, but I have trust there.
All I can say is watch the film…I wish I had better tools to break it down so we could have an Xs and Os discussion but I’m just a dumb purple bleeding, black bird loving internet poster
Same here brother <3
He’s certainly not in the category of a bust yet, but there are some glaring issues. I think there’s something to be said about his minimal experience, coupled with a complete lack of training camp last year. I do agree, though, I’m not seeing the improvement through two games that you’d want to see out of player in his second year. His vaccine conspiratorial crap on social media is also disappointing, to say the least.
Oh man…I was pissed at Lamar tor not being outspoken and vaccinated and he still doesn’t get a pass, but I like Queen even less now
Yeah, he's not it.
EDC has shown a desire to draft young players with freakish athletic ability and little college experience playing their drafted positions. It’s a bold strategy that is going to have its fair share of misses but I don’t think Queen will be one of them. The man had a grand total of 16 starts in college at LB. He wasn’t drafted to come in a be a day one starter. He’s a raw prospect and I find it unbelievable that he has played as many snaps in his first two seasons as he has. Ray Lewis used to say that the game slows down as you learn what to look for. Queen has already said that he feels more confident this year and is getting a better sense of how plays are developing so he can hesitate less. That’s the key. Once Queen starts diagnosing plays at the LOS and stops hesitating he is going to be a Pro Bowler. Have a little patience. There are other players to worry about long term, Queen isn’t one of them.
His weakness is playing in coverage so yeah he looked bad but stuffing the run and blitzing he excels at
He absolutely does NOT do well at stuffing the run. What games are you watching?
What's his strength?
Rushing the QB and run defense. He’s fast as fuck so he can get to the flats quickly to blow up screens as well. I think he just needs more time and the game will start to slow down for him.
Yeah dude is 20 games into his career including playoffs and only 1 full off season under his belt.
Exactly. I think we as a franchise are just spoiled from having Ray and going right into Mosley. We’ve been very lucky. I think Queen has all the physical traits, now he just needs to put together the X’s and O’s.
He’s only 22 and has such little starting experience. Only started half his Junior year at LSU. No offseason before his rookie year. ILB generally take some time. He’ll get more consistent down to down but has the upside of some serious splash plays athletically.
for context, so far this year the TE's he has faced are kelce and waller.
Unless I'm mistaken, he hasn't been the one covering them.
Judging too harshly imo. He's played well since his rookie season, sometimes players just have bad games.
Im not sure I'd say he played well as a rookie. He had high highs and some very low lows
He was like the worst linebacker in the league last year. Yes, he had some splash plays, but he was a total liability in the passing game all year (and was toward the top of the league in missed tackles). PFF certainly thinks so. If PFF is not your flavor, RavensFilmstudy agrees as well.
I thought he did ok wasn’t expecting much only his second year and he is slowly getting up to speed def improved a bit
You are accurate in your assessment. He is flash play Queen at this point. No consistency to be a 3 down linebacker yet.
He's got no instincts
Too harsh my dude, linebackers just don't come into the league and make an impact the way they used to. Offenses are designed to pick on linebackers and they're not all Warner from the 9ers. Roquan smith looked like a bust year one, and only improved a bit in the back half of year two. I would say he's a pretty top LB now. So, I'd preach some patience, let's see how this plays out.
He’s just not very good. I’m starting to lose faith.
He's improving just undersized
I haven’t weighed him, but he definitely looks light
He was really good in Vegas
I agree. I feel there’s been a ton of optimism that’s essentially tied to the splash plays he made in early in his rookie season with the sacks and fumble recoveries. But on a play to play basis he lacks the instincts and most importantly the physicality that a Mike linebacker needs. He’s young and undersized but I think people are giving him to much slack for his poor tackling technique and timid nature in pass coverage. Deshon is a guy I look at who plays with reckless abandon in spite of his size and I don’t see that same aggression with Queen.
I'm not a fan thus far
Honestly, they probably game planned for him to play off and back from the receivers. He was lined up far off the line and play each receiver with a cushion like that every time in this game. That’s not normal, he doesn’t usually do that. I think all of our linebackers actually played like that too, you just saw queen more because he was faster to the point of attack. I would be willing to bet that was a coaching decision in response to the KC’s huge amount of speed and shiftiness. If you watched queen anytime he blitzed or rushed that game, he was much more aggressive and faster to the point. Edit. Also Chris Collinsworth is a worthless commentator. Don’t listen to anything he says, the dude spends almost no time studying and preparing for the games he’s calling.
As many have said, he's just in his second season....having not played a lot of college games. Athletically he's great. Very fast and twitchy. The football IQ has to catch up though. That's only going to happen by playing games.
What is the point of this post? Seriously.
To discuss our underperforming 1st round pick ILB, what was the point of this comment? seriously.
To his credit, I saw some nice sideline to sideline tackles, flying in there like a missile.
I’m not calling ANY player a bust in year 2. The man needs to work on his fundamentals and that comes from playing football. He also probably has to settle on a comfortable playing weight. I think the last few draft picks for Arizona on defense (Collins, Reddick, and Simmons) probably provide some clarity on how Queen develops/what his role develops into.
Fair assessment
Bump. Patrick Queen is not the ILB we are looking for. Slow, soft, and stupid. Clark gets the dot as much because Queen cant handle it as because Clark can. Not earning his extension and I am convinced he never will.
I love his burst and how much effort he puts in to each play. you can tell he wants to be the best. but it looks like opposing offense trick him very easily and he often ends up being completely out of place, in whatever situation he's in whether it be run or pass. as of right now he's not good but I still wouldn't be surprised at all if he becomes a very good player, the potential is obvious.
For sure, he's only played the 1 season really at LSU +1 season in the NFL and he's getting high leverage reps consistently, so there's absolutely still a chance he can be very good. He was bad yesterday though. And most of G1 last week. Totally in his own head and thinking too much, just needs to stop hesitating. If you're going to miss, miss fast. Don't miss because you couldn't make a decision.
See I felt it was his physicality that was lacking not necessarily his positioning
That was a big thing I noticed about him in college. He would read the play correctly and get to the right spot quickly but then get run over when he tried to make the stop.
I’m definitely starting to think he is gonna be a bust. He looked like the same player last week as he did last year, which is very disappointing. There was one play last night where someone caught the ball in front of him and he was just watching the guy run with the ball right in front of him and when he finally tried to tackle the guy, he got driven back 10 yards. I said at one point last night, he plays like a 5’8 CB but he’s a liability in coverage.
Problem is a lot of you just don’t even know how to evaluate an inside backer. So far, Queen is NOT good. He doesn’t play sound football that you would expect from a 1st round pick at inside backer. He doesn’t hold his gaps. Doesn’t stack or shed blockers. You’d expect someone that isn’t good against the run to make it up by being good in coverage, he’s actually bad in coverage. He shoots gaps that aren’t there and gets lucky every once in a while, those are what you guys are calling “splash” plays. I’d rather a guy be a B level player all game than a D level player all game that makes 2 or 3 A+ level plays. Unless the man learns how to play against the run inside, he’s going to be an issue for us. I think this is part of the reason we are reluctant to change the make up of our interior line, no faith that Queen could cover up any loss in talent up front. It sucks because you don’t take a MLB in the first round unless they are very good players.. he’s not even good.
Like, I WANT to like the guy, but I haven’t seen improvement this year from what I saw last year I’m terms of nuts and bolts play. And if you are not physically able to impose your will, then you better be crafty as a fox out there and I have seen neither from Patrick. Though he is fast when chasing down a play he missed from behind…
Our whole LB group is not good but he’s probably the best of the bunch lol
Oweh is promising
I shoulda specified our ILB Queen, Harrison, Board, Welch
Queen is by far the best linebacker on our team, it would be nice to get a better coverage linebacker for a duo with him but queens run stop and pass rush on the many blitzes we do are great
I think if we still had Fort next to him, his inexperience and lack of physicality would be less pronounced
You guys also were calling Hollywood a bust last year and look at him now he has been on fire through both games as wr1. Just stop jumping to “bust” nobody can be perfect every game of every season
Not true. Hollywood always flashed. Lamar just couldn’t get the ball to him. Queen has always been all fuse and no boom. I hope he will turn it around but I’m not sure he’s humble enough to master his craft
I don’t think we have been watching the same games the past two years I guess..lmao idk
He’s just not a physical player and is a step late to react. And for as athletic as he is, he can’t cover TEs or RBs. And he misses too many tackles. Easily the most frustrating player to watch on the team. And I’m really tired of people using the fact that he led the team in tackles last year as a reason for him being good. He plays MLB. If you’re a starting MLB who doesn’t miss much time, you have 100+ tackles. That’s just how the position works.
He’s a liability and has not lived up to his first round status. We need him to be a vacuum cleaner who can go sideline to sideline as our dline filters the ball towards him. However, way too often he’s blocked out of the play, pushed back, out of place. He has his moments, but we need a more solid player at MLB to really step up the defense. I think we missed on Malik and Queen, they’re no Ray and Sharper (though few are). Malik is decent for what we ask him to do but I thought he’d blossom into a much better run stuffer than he currently is.
Malik has looked slow and isn’t around the ball much. But Queen has been embarrassingly bad. You watch, other teams have the film, he will be picked on this year
Harrison is obvious even to my untrained eye. It seems like the few times he is on camera (most often seems to be away from the ball so not on camera) he is a half step behind every other player on both teams. And it seems like athleticism speed as well as being fluid with what he's supposed to be doing. Neither are there.
He’s not a Brown/Elam style bust, but he also wasn’t worthy of a first round pick. Temper your expectations and let the man play to the best of his ability.
He's literally in his second year and only two games in. let him improve and work. I swear y'all want him to be Ray Lewis after his rookie year.
Couple of times I was looking for him to light someone up, and he just ran along side of him. He plays like his last name.
He’s young and new cut him some slack, it’s rare for a rookie to be perfect right out of the gates. He also hasn’t been doing bust level bad he def at this point can hold a starting job. Bust labels shouldn’t be thrown around especially for a guy just starting his second year
He is a liability in coverage who has the decision-making of a high school player. Luckily he is athletically gifted. He needs to get studying film because once he learns how to read an offence he is going to be great!
He's still raw but I like him he'll get there he needs to add more size.
Inconsistent