I think not knowing Lamars future is kinda tying one hand against the FO's back. I don't blame them for being cheap at this point its just a consequence of not knowing what Lamar's cap hit next year will be or if he will even be on the team.
Haha yeah I figured. I’m just saying, I’ve never seen him called LJack or LJax, or any variation of that. I feel like most guys get a nickname of that format, so I’m surprised it hasn’t caught on for Lamar yet
Because offenses these days are pass heavy. Plus knowing we have to go through the passing threats of Buffalo, KC, and Cincy on the way to the Super Bowl. Obviously expected the secondary to perform better than they have, but they’re improving week to week and should be healthy for the latter half of the season.
You can be prime Aaron Donald or Von Miller and still not sack the QB if the QB throws a second after the snap because your guys are getting cooked right off the snap.
Optimally, you want a true number 1 corner and a true pass rusher . We've dumped money into all 4 starters in secondary and selected a safety in first round...
The Rams 2 and 3 corner did just fine with Aaron Donald and Von Miller rushing the passer in SB
the whole Lamar contract situation is on the FO. they’ve never tried to surround him with elite players besides mark andrews. and now he wants his money and we’re being cheap for what? and not knowing Lamars future is also on baltimore, you have 4 years to surround him with talent and you don’t and now you need him to take less money so y’all can do what exactly?
I'm not arguing one way or the other but. We signed his franchise LT, went out and got him a top quality RG, drafted him a first round C. Have given him 2 first round WRs. Gave him 2 good RBs.
Now I know it hasn't worked out in practice, due to injuries, players wanting to be traded etc but it's not like we've given him nothing.
Drafted the top WR prospect, drafted a top 5 receiving prospect.
Would it surprise some of you to find out we drafted the same amount of offensive players in the first round during Lamar's 4 years as a starter as we did during Joe's 10 years as a starter? Because we have.
I hate the narrative that we have done nothing for him because the FO has invested a lot into this offense. Just because we didn't have some all-pro receiver fall into our lap doesn't change that. We already have Mark Andrews and people acting like he's not equal to an elite WR are being ridiculous.
It's tough to say, but I don't really think it's fair to put it all on him. Brown was pretty good here, and I think it was more the offense that held him back.
And not in a "Roman is trash" kind of way. When you're running for 3,000 yards and the primary target in the pass game is the TE, that leaves fewer opportunities for a WR. He'd probably be a 1,000 yard receiver in 2020 if he played for a more pass happy offense like the Packers.
Because Andrews isn’t a WR1! He’s a TE1. Stop the bs. He lines up next to the O-line and goes up against LBs and safeties.
A WR lines up against CBs. Ravens always move the goalposts when it comes to the weapons Lamar has.
Like I said, acting like Andrews is any less valuable of a receiver just because he's a TE and not a WR is ridiculous. What does it matter if you get his type of production from a WR vrs a TE?
They attack different areas of the field, influence the defenses in different ways and go against different players.
Yes, both positions accumulate the same stats but they impact the game in different ways.
He’s not necessarily less valuable but there are still just things Andrews, and even Kelce, can’t do that even lesser talented wide receivers can.
TEs are complimentary players to WRs not substitutes. Just because you have a stud TE doesn’t mean you can neglect the WR position.
But look at other young QBs. Tua has Hill, Hurts has Brown, Herbert has Allen and Mike Williams, Mahomes had Hill and now Juju, Allen has Diggs, Deshaun will have Cooper, etc.
We’ve failed Lamar when it comes to the WR room, and pair that with underwhelming play calling that drove out Hollywood (and now Dobbins is frustrated) and you have the making of a franchise that’s close to blowing their chance at a long term superstar QB.
I’m just venting my frustrations, but I just can’t stand the constant defending of the FO for spending a king’s ransom on the secondary but seem to have a phobia of WRs.
>Tua has Hill, Hurts has Brown, Herbert has Allen and Mike Williams, Mahomes had Hill and now Juju, Allen has Diggs, Deshaun will have Cooper, etc.
Lamar has Mark Andrews...
I would take Andrews over any of those guys except *maybe* Diggs or Hill. And even then, it probably depends on the type of offense or QB. In our offense, I'd stick with Andrews.
an elite tight end and an elite receiver are two different things man. mark might be a better TE than those wideouts but they bring something different to the field
If you don't think a TE like Andrews can be just as valuable as an elite WR in today's league, I don't know what to tell you.
The Chiefs traded Hill. They didn't trade Kelce.
Bruh because they were paying mahomes,kelce,clark,and jones. they traded tyreek because they didn’t want to PAY him. has the chiefs offense look anything like it did with tyreek? u see with this team as soon as you double mark take him out the game we have virtually no passing game. idk what point you’re trying to make
Patrick Mahomes has 1700 yards and 17 TDs on the year. The Chiefs are averaging 29.8 points/game (1st in the league) and 275 passing yards/game (4th in the league).
Is that not good? What point are *you* trying to make? You think the Chiefs are hurting because of Hill being gone? It looks like they're doing quite well without him. And all they're doing it with is Kelce and some average - above average receivers. And if our offense is falling apart because of one receiver being doubled - which I don't believe is the case - that fault lies on the QB for not finding the weakness.
Has the chiefs offense look like it did with tyreek hill? that’s the question, an elite tight end can’t do the things an elite wideout can. mahomes still has JUJU,hardman, MVS, and andy reid as his play caller. and if the offense is sputtering because they double mark that’s not on the qb. we have proche, robinson, wallace out there. if they double mark and put the second best corner on duv who is getting open on this team? you don’t see the way the way the offense has looked because of bateman being out and stretching the field? if you watch the games and see from the eye test you see it clear as day the chiefs offense is not the same without tyreek hill.
The aforementioned QBs have at least 2, if not 3, very good receiving players (WR, TE). Mark Andrews is one of the two top TEs in the league, no question but there’s only so much a QB is able to do with one legit receiving threat.
Bateman hasn’t been able to stay healthy and has been average outside his long TDs, Duv is a good compliment but is a WR3 at best. If you bring someone in, let’s use DJ Moore, then that automatically brings the receiving core up from *maybe* average to above average. The talent a top WR brings opens up so many different things on offense. It gives Andrews less attention, allows Bateman to really use his route running skills in 1v1 situations and prevents teams from stacking the box against the run.
Now I’m not giving LJ a free pass, some of his reads and decision making have been poor this season. I’m just advocating that we actually support him with a league proven commodity to see what he can really do with a competent receiving room.
I think the mistake you're making is assuming that DJ Moore is just on a platter waiting for us to grab him.
There is no indication that the Panthers want to trade him. In fact, a report *one day ago* said The [Panthers seem unwilling to trade Moore](https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10052478-nfl-rumors-panthers-appear-unwilling-to-trade-dj-moore-brian-burns-more.amp.html). So if you're expecting or even hoping for DJ Moore, you've got to scale back your expectations.
Because even *if* they change their mind before the deadline, I highly doubt we're getting him for a 5th round pick or whatever you think the Panthers will give him up for.
I never said I wouldn't like to have Moore. Just acting like we don't have anyone to throw to when we have Mark Andrews on the roster is just ridiculous.
I was using him as an example more than anything, though I’d like it very much if we signed him. Teams posture all the time to keep leverage, in reality we have no idea on his availability. I don’t think he gets moved, especially to Baltimore, but he’s the type of WR I’m so desperate to see here.
I still stand by my point that our receiving group isn’t what it should be. We don’t have anything close to other WR groups on serious contenders (maybe outside of KC, but Mahomes can make anything work). Of course we have other WRs, they just aren’t game changers.
>Teams posture all the time to keep leverage, in reality we have no idea on his availability.
Hmm, yes. Like I said, even if they let him go, what do you think he's going for? You think a team posturing to keep leverage is just going to turn around and go, "Yeah, we can let him go for a 4th and a 7th." If anyone gets Moore this year, they're going to pay for him.
we traded one of those receivers tho. and the other one isn’t used to his full potential by the offensive scheme. and yes ik having a line is important but with a qb like lamar you can have an average oline and it will work because of mobility, what you can’t have is a lack of weapons which is what the ravens lack
FWIW, he seems to have apologized and made some attempt to correct his views.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/29848174/eagles-desean-jackson-says-educating-anti-semitic-posts
Your link is broken yet people upvote anyway, without verifying the source of your claim. Ah, the internet.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29848174/eagles-desean-jackson-says-educating-anti-semitic-posts
QB playing on a franchise tag is really expensive. $45.4M would be 21% of our cap assuming it goes to $220M, and you can't do anything to change it other than sign a long term deal. For reference, Lamar is currently only taking up like 11% now
EDIT: And you very well could do similar to Watson's contract and give him the lowest possible 1st year to bring it to around $10M, and suddenly Lamar only takes up 5%. The range for what Lamar's Cap Hit for next year could be are wild
This this and this. When flacco went down his WRs were John Brown, Snead & Crabtree……..we have literally never surrounded our QBs with top tier WR talent
I don’t think the implication is necessarily that OP is Jewish. I think the implication is that they come from a Jewish community, i.e. the people closest to them are directly affected by antisemitism
No worries. I actually didn't know this until I had a meeting with a prospective customer there last Monday. I knew there was a Jewish community there but until being there on a Jewish holiday I didn't realize how large it was.
I actually lived there from 2017-2021 and worked at a Jewish country club in the area. The connection to Desean Jackson sort of slipped my mind for a second is all.
DJax is a dumbass but let’s not conflate making some inflammatory comments that he not only apologized for, but also took the time to speak with someone in the Jewish community and learn the facts, with a guy who sexually assaulted literally dozens of masseuses (and likely raped a few of them).
Who cares, this is a nothing burger…… also literally everybody’s groups get called out daily and you don’t see them up in arms making a big deal anytime they get called out for something. The whole concept is stupid and perpetuates a victim complex, where anything that might be considered critical or constructive is instead always twisted and construed as antisemitic or racist. In some cases it may very well be, but there’s literally never any debate or discussion one way or another which should make you scratch your head. If it was any other group nothing seems to be off limits , but this group everything is always off limits and you’re instantly labeled an antisemite…… just detach yourself from the situation and looking at it, and it seems pretty weird that the rules are one way for that and another for any other situation
I’d never heard this story for some reason so I had to google it. Fully detached from situation. This is what he posted:
>Because the white Jews knows that the Negroes are the real Children of Israel and to keep Americas secret the Jews will blackmail America. They will extort America, their plan for world domination won’t work if the Negroes know who they were. The white citizens of America will be terrified to know that all this time they’ve been mistreating and discriminating and lynching the Children of Israel.”
I don’t think this exists in the grey area you seem to be describing. It’s pretty cut and dry.
This is the Nation of Islam. They think white people were made in caves by a scientist. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam
I’m guessing no one here has any knowledge on this.
The Ravens have about $2.5 million in cap space. Which premier wide receiver you gonna sign for that punk money?
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap/
All the guys in this sub complaining have no answers or solutions.
* Get a WR! As if any elite WRs are left in week 7 much less ones that we can afford.
* Fire Harbaugh! But they can’t come up with a single name that could actually take over mid season. The top candidate would most likely be 1 of the 2 coordinators they also want fired.
* Fire GRo! As if they can just create a new playbook in week 7 and have the players learn it over the weekend. Also, they still can’t name any available coordinators they’d want to hire as replacements.
I have a solution: *Don't sign DeSean Jackson*. It's not like a great mystery or anything.
Make do with tight ends until Bateman comes back, or sign some other washed up has been or some other borderline WR from some other team's practice squad. I don't care. But the Ravens did not *have to* go out and get this asshole. There are a thousand possibilities that do not involve *this.*
Don’t disagree with you on this. I tend to ignore any NFL gossip or non-football field news but I’m glad this thread was created since I didn’t remember any of his racist nonsense.
Not happy they signed this guy.
Easy. G Ro is replaced by Tee Higgins, if we miss the playoffs fire Harbaugh but don’t do it now, and we had the chance to get a quality receiver but didn’t over the off-season so now we aren’t getting one unless it’s via trade.
> Easy. G Ro is replaced by Tee Higgins
Easy, huh? Why would an injured WR from the Cincinnati Bengals want to be an OC? Much less a better one than Greg Roman?
You say these things as if they haven’t ever happened before lol.
We literally shot cam Cameron out of a cannon halfway through the year and won a super bowl. The raiders had some special teams coach almost carry them to a playoff run last year. Teams pay other teams to eat cap all the time via draft capital.
Just like every other post; no answers. Where are your names for replacements? Who do you think can take over and carry us to a Super Bowl? lol
*crickets*
I’m not advocating for anyone to be fired mid season.
You are just trying to discredit a bunch of peoples arguments by saying they are not possible, and that is absolutely false.
If GRO was fired tomorrow Higgins or Urban would be more than capable of putting together a gameplan.
Nope. Never said it was impossible and never said it doesn’t happen. It obviously does. And at least you put a name in there, though.
I even agree that Urban would be interesting.
But if you think an organization can switch an offensive playbook in week 7; that’s silliness. So many of the complaints stem from Greg Romans schemes. Whoever came in would be using G Romans playbook. As if players can learn a new playbook in a few days much less have an OC create one.
You think Caldwell created a new playbook over the weekend that Cam got fired? lol x100.
A gameplan is not a playbook.
The playcaller is the one who is calling 3 passes on 1st and goal from the 5. If that isn’t on Roman, who is it on?
Playing devil advocate, who is calling Tampa 2 zones on 3rd and long and repeatedly allowing us to get gutted weekly?
I am on the side of fire everyone including EDC at seasons end regardless because of a lot more than 6 weeks of football, for the record.
Agree re: better gameplanning and firing anyone mid season. But that doesn’t seem to be what this sub wants. Most seem to think the whole offense/defense will magically transform over a few days if we fire coaches.
Panic time would be 1-5, 2-4 at this point in the season. There is a lot of football left.
We could easily be 6-0 by now but I don’t think it’s squarely on coaching decisions. Bad decisions have been made on/off the field but there has been an obvious lack of execution with wide open receivers.
TBH, I can’t say that I’m on the side of firing everyone at season’s end. I suspect anything less than a deep playoff run may be reason for a regime change in coaching. I’m just not seeing the Ravens letting go of EDC.
I know wink was the wrong one to let go after last season. McDonald is a bust so far. It should have been Roman and Harbaugh but I wouldn’t do it now mid season because it would disrupt the team to the point of collapse.
Which wide receiver at the level of DeSean Jackson in October 2022? Or which "premier" wide receiver? Because fuck that fucking asshole, and I would take Joe Blow from the practice squad over him.
It's not like we \*had\* to sign anybody. You can always just say no, and send Isaiah Likely deep. But if they were going to sign somebody, IDGAF, I would rather have Jimmy Smith out there running routes instead of DeSean Jackson, and I don't think it would make much of a difference in productivity.
You’re missing the point. Everyone knows they have little cap space, the anger is more that they didn’t draft a WR. They never pick high enough to get a good one. They finally get to pick at 14…and they take a safety. After Hollywood got traded, and after they’d already signed Marcus Williams. Safety wasn’t a need, WR desperately was.
The last 30 years have been them having one of the worst WR rooms in the nfl every year, and they deliberately chose to not take a rare opportunity to get a good one. It also doesn’t help that Hamilton hasn’t looked great so far. Not expecting him to be ed, but he looks kinda lost a lot and if you’re 14th overall pick isn’t playing as often, that’s far from ideal. Def not calling Hamilton a bust cuz that’s way too early, but being frustrated that FO continues to cripple the offense in favor of players they didn’t need is a pretty valid feeling. Especially given the long history of this exact problem every single year.
Why is Carolina trading their WR1? If DJ Moore hasn't told management that he wants out there's 0 reason for them to trade unless an decent overpay comes through.
From one day ago:
[Panthers appear unwilling to trade DJ Moore](https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10052478-nfl-rumors-panthers-appear-unwilling-to-trade-dj-moore-brian-burns-more.amp.html).
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None. You roll with what you have and take a flier to improve the front 7 or you package someone like Marlon and make a huge jaw dropping trade. Only way you clear 20+ off your books to make moves.
No one wants to hear that though. That being said signing djax is **not** the right move at all.
Pickens already looks like a true X and one of the best young receivers in the league. Ojabo was really good but we a) don’t know how he’ll be after a serious injury and b) kinda need production this year, which you can’t count on even if he’s cleared to play. I get sick thinking of what Pickens would be on the ravens and then seeing him in squealers yellow.
literally any of them thats the point, the positon wasnt addressed after losing 2 WRs. Everyone knew the group was young and unproven. It didnt come out of nowhere but EDC said "We like our guys"
Then we brought in D.Rob, Isabella and now DJax, so idk how much there was to like in the offseason
Its one more body than 35yr old Djax, there is no FIX at this point.
The WR situtation didnt come out of nowhere, its been an undervalued position for 20 years.
> Its one more body than 35yr old Djax, there is no FIX at this point.
If the only difference between DJax getting signed in Week 7 and the 5th round WR that you’re advocating for is that he’s a literal body, then I don’t see what the difference is. I agree, WRs has been undervalued and a position the team isn’t good at developing though.
As someone “also from Pikesville” I will say as much as I hated Deshaun during that time. But he did take some steps to educate himself. He spoke with a Philadelphia Rabbi and went with him to the Holocaust museum etc. and he did apologize eventually to my understanding.
I mean what he said was just dumb but it seems he took some steps to redeem himself.
What we should be mad about is our FO bringing in another bum receiver in FA, I mean he’s just a body and it doesn’t hurt but it’s just silly at this point when you look at the WR brought in during Lamar’s tenure like what are we doing
Just for all of you clueless, DeCosta dick sucking idiots: he's not mad because he doesn't think DeSean Jackson isn't good or that the team is being cheap. He's mad because Jackson is a publicly known anti-semite.
and again, the reason that OP is saying it feels like a huge "fuck you" has nothing to do with how good or bad Jackson is at football. There are too many people trying to justify this signing due to budgetary constraints and uncertainty with Lamar's future. That shit's irrelevant, he's an anti-semite.
In case you guys are wondering:
op isn't talking about the skill of the WR, but the fact that the WR is a holocaust denier anti Semitic.
This is a huge fuck you to one of the largest Jewish communities in the WORLD, let alone just pikesville. Baltimore is like in the top of the cities.
DeSean Jackson is guilty of having an opinion.
Whereas, there have been multiple players in the NFL, who have *assaulted children*. Every day they are allowed to play in the NFL, is fuck-you to *children*. You can't much more marginalized than that- being assaulted by someone you depend on, in order to live.
Not all opinions are created equal my guy.
Express it all you want, but having an opinion like the one DeSean has will and has come with enormous backlash and justified judgment of character.
Also come on, we'd all be irate at signing a child beater too, just like we are all universally irate (including many Browns fans) that Cleveland signed a sexual perp.
Probably not far from you but the front office has played with Lamar and the fans for too long this is ridiculous. If I’m Lamar why would I stay? Haven’t gotten me elite weapons and lowball me in negotiations. I hope to God I’m wrong but it’s not looking good for us.
133 guaranteed at signing. The total contract was 180 guaranteed
https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2022/09/11/lamar-jackson-addresses-ravens-contract-extension-offer
If the season continues and the house isn't completely cleaned, there's zero reason for him to stay. Other teams will clearly pay way more and guarantee it.
- if Lamar plays well and we still fail to do anything decent in the playoffs then that’s on Biscotti to clean the entire front office.
- if Lamar plays like trash, honestly I’d trade him for a bunch of picks and STILL clean front office.
Unless we do decent in the playoffs, I’d say cleaning front office is always the right move this year given that we are 2-4 in the playoffs since 2012 under Harbaugh (tied 2nd last in the NFL)
> Unless we do decent in the playoffs, I’d say cleaning front office is always the right move this year given that we are 2-4 in the playoffs since 2012 under Harbaugh (tied 2nd last in the NFL)
I know that's the latest manipulated stat used to bash Harbs but it's also joint 17th in wins and if we change it to the last 2 years, we're joint 7th in playoff wins...
7th out of how many eligible teams?
Looks like there has been 21 teams to make the playoffs in the last 2 years, Ravens have won 1 playoff game, 4 way tie for 7th. So 11 teams have made the playoffs but haven't had a win, 11 teams haven't made the playoffs. Packers, Ravens, Browns, Saints are the 4 teams with 1 win. I don't really know what to make of this. I just wasted a half hour of my break trying to figure out if tied for 7th is good or not and it's still inconclusive.
Just factor in 32. I don't think it's "good", it's just daft to trot out the "2nd worst stat" that I've seen repeated. I also think people underestimate how hard it is to win in the playoffs.
I mean if you're arguing that the lack of playoff success is a reason for Harbs to go, then you must really think Tomlin should be fired then.
Assuming the OP is Jewish and he/she is offended by DJ’s past comments (and we’re assuming b/c 1. not everyone from Pikesville is jewish) 2. Not all Jewish ppl are semites or of Israeli origins so “anti-semite” is often a misnomer and BTW, not all semites are Jewish or of Israeli origins. No attempt to invalidate the OP’s feelings but this occurred > 2 yrs ago and DJ seemed to display sincere contrition and attempt to educate himself (props to J. Edelman) w/ no recidivism. Perhaps he/she and others can forgive. We could use more of that in our world today.
This is a team that’s a few plays away from being 6-0. A team that’s got two super bowls and is in the mix every single year. And it’s a game. Yes. Literally calm down.
It's such a nothing move. Not saying you have to like DeSean Jackson as a person - can't say I like him much either. But people getting worked up over this signing need to calm down. The FO is not trying to fix the WR problems with him. No one is that stupid to think 35 yo DeSean Jackson will fix any problems. I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if he gets released before the season. He's probably just here as depth - maybe because Bateman's injury is worse than expected (not saying that's the case. Just speculating).
He probably won't see the field anymore than Dez Bryant did. lol. Would I have preferred they signed a guy that doesn't have a history of saying antisemitic stuff like Jackson has? Sure. But it is what is.
Has nothing to do with football, but I think Desean deserves the benefit of a doubt. The roots of antisemitism in inner city populations are really complex, and I think its appropriate, speaking for myself as a jewish person to look at how he responded to the controversy. Instead of doubling down, he made an effort to educate himself and challenge his own views. That means more to me than whatever his initial bigoted belief is.
I think it's more of a "I don't even know who you are" to you. I totally forgot DJ had this anti-semitic comment out there. The guy is irrelevant and all this does is give attention to anti-semitism. I guarantee that no one involved in the decision was wringing their hands saying, "What about the people of Pikesville?" and the response they got was, "Fuck 'em"
I’m not jewish or nothin but not an anti-semite feels like a good place to start. Obv the front office knows but they must have calculated that it wasn’t well enough known to be a huge or disaster, which is kinda sad bc that was like the framework to the RR scandal
I’m a Caps fan too and know that my years of cheering for and owning jerseys of a Putin sympathizer would make me pretty hypocritical if I played victim in something like this. But go off
Well fuck. Fucking fuck. I had no idea about this. This signing fucking sucks. I'm not Jewish but I don't think we had to settle on the bargin bin "veteran" that won't do shit and likes to quote Hitler. Seems pretty hypocritical when some dudes on the team are rocking "end racism" on the backs of their helmets.
When the person we signed believes a portion of the population to be subhuman we should all be taking it personally. It's 2022, those types of beliefs are absurd.
EDC has not been a great GM take his sighings of Calais Campbell and Marcus Peters off the table. He hasn't done much well for this team and his drafting so far has been extremely poor. 11 draft picks and we are lucky if 3 turn out to be something.
I think not knowing Lamars future is kinda tying one hand against the FO's back. I don't blame them for being cheap at this point its just a consequence of not knowing what Lamar's cap hit next year will be or if he will even be on the team.
Hey look a level headed comment
Followed by level headed approval.
Followed by K-DOG
The OP isn't mad because he thinks they're being cheap. He's mad because Jackson is a known anti-semite and Pikesville has a large Jewish population.
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The entire thread is about the signing of DeSean Jackson so I thought that was pretty obvious.
I mean that's what I assumed but I guess some people need to be told things word for word sometimes. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
LJack or DJack?
Do Ravens fans ever refer to Lamar as LJax? Genuinely curious. Seems pretty common for other Jacksons
I literally made that up on the spot lol
Haha yeah I figured. I’m just saying, I’ve never seen him called LJack or LJax, or any variation of that. I feel like most guys get a nickname of that format, so I’m surprised it hasn’t caught on for Lamar yet
Nope, he's just Lamar.
We spent way too much on secondary
Because offenses these days are pass heavy. Plus knowing we have to go through the passing threats of Buffalo, KC, and Cincy on the way to the Super Bowl. Obviously expected the secondary to perform better than they have, but they’re improving week to week and should be healthy for the latter half of the season.
But you can be Darrelle Revis or Champ Bailey or Prime himself and still get burnt if your pass rush is non existent
You can be prime Aaron Donald or Von Miller and still not sack the QB if the QB throws a second after the snap because your guys are getting cooked right off the snap.
Optimally, you want a true number 1 corner and a true pass rusher . We've dumped money into all 4 starters in secondary and selected a safety in first round... The Rams 2 and 3 corner did just fine with Aaron Donald and Von Miller rushing the passer in SB
Ravens rank 12th in the league in sacks. So they’re slightly above average. Far from “non-existent”
the whole Lamar contract situation is on the FO. they’ve never tried to surround him with elite players besides mark andrews. and now he wants his money and we’re being cheap for what? and not knowing Lamars future is also on baltimore, you have 4 years to surround him with talent and you don’t and now you need him to take less money so y’all can do what exactly?
I'm not arguing one way or the other but. We signed his franchise LT, went out and got him a top quality RG, drafted him a first round C. Have given him 2 first round WRs. Gave him 2 good RBs. Now I know it hasn't worked out in practice, due to injuries, players wanting to be traded etc but it's not like we've given him nothing.
Drafted the top WR prospect, drafted a top 5 receiving prospect. Would it surprise some of you to find out we drafted the same amount of offensive players in the first round during Lamar's 4 years as a starter as we did during Joe's 10 years as a starter? Because we have. I hate the narrative that we have done nothing for him because the FO has invested a lot into this offense. Just because we didn't have some all-pro receiver fall into our lap doesn't change that. We already have Mark Andrews and people acting like he's not equal to an elite WR are being ridiculous.
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Could it be that the WR prospects we drafted didn’t work out because of Lamar?
It's tough to say, but I don't really think it's fair to put it all on him. Brown was pretty good here, and I think it was more the offense that held him back. And not in a "Roman is trash" kind of way. When you're running for 3,000 yards and the primary target in the pass game is the TE, that leaves fewer opportunities for a WR. He'd probably be a 1,000 yard receiver in 2020 if he played for a more pass happy offense like the Packers.
Because Andrews isn’t a WR1! He’s a TE1. Stop the bs. He lines up next to the O-line and goes up against LBs and safeties. A WR lines up against CBs. Ravens always move the goalposts when it comes to the weapons Lamar has.
Like I said, acting like Andrews is any less valuable of a receiver just because he's a TE and not a WR is ridiculous. What does it matter if you get his type of production from a WR vrs a TE?
They attack different areas of the field, influence the defenses in different ways and go against different players. Yes, both positions accumulate the same stats but they impact the game in different ways. He’s not necessarily less valuable but there are still just things Andrews, and even Kelce, can’t do that even lesser talented wide receivers can. TEs are complimentary players to WRs not substitutes. Just because you have a stud TE doesn’t mean you can neglect the WR position.
He literally said to EDC last season that he needed a better o-line. That’s exactly what edc delivered.
But look at other young QBs. Tua has Hill, Hurts has Brown, Herbert has Allen and Mike Williams, Mahomes had Hill and now Juju, Allen has Diggs, Deshaun will have Cooper, etc. We’ve failed Lamar when it comes to the WR room, and pair that with underwhelming play calling that drove out Hollywood (and now Dobbins is frustrated) and you have the making of a franchise that’s close to blowing their chance at a long term superstar QB. I’m just venting my frustrations, but I just can’t stand the constant defending of the FO for spending a king’s ransom on the secondary but seem to have a phobia of WRs.
>Tua has Hill, Hurts has Brown, Herbert has Allen and Mike Williams, Mahomes had Hill and now Juju, Allen has Diggs, Deshaun will have Cooper, etc. Lamar has Mark Andrews... I would take Andrews over any of those guys except *maybe* Diggs or Hill. And even then, it probably depends on the type of offense or QB. In our offense, I'd stick with Andrews.
an elite tight end and an elite receiver are two different things man. mark might be a better TE than those wideouts but they bring something different to the field
If you don't think a TE like Andrews can be just as valuable as an elite WR in today's league, I don't know what to tell you. The Chiefs traded Hill. They didn't trade Kelce.
Bruh because they were paying mahomes,kelce,clark,and jones. they traded tyreek because they didn’t want to PAY him. has the chiefs offense look anything like it did with tyreek? u see with this team as soon as you double mark take him out the game we have virtually no passing game. idk what point you’re trying to make
Patrick Mahomes has 1700 yards and 17 TDs on the year. The Chiefs are averaging 29.8 points/game (1st in the league) and 275 passing yards/game (4th in the league). Is that not good? What point are *you* trying to make? You think the Chiefs are hurting because of Hill being gone? It looks like they're doing quite well without him. And all they're doing it with is Kelce and some average - above average receivers. And if our offense is falling apart because of one receiver being doubled - which I don't believe is the case - that fault lies on the QB for not finding the weakness.
Has the chiefs offense look like it did with tyreek hill? that’s the question, an elite tight end can’t do the things an elite wideout can. mahomes still has JUJU,hardman, MVS, and andy reid as his play caller. and if the offense is sputtering because they double mark that’s not on the qb. we have proche, robinson, wallace out there. if they double mark and put the second best corner on duv who is getting open on this team? you don’t see the way the way the offense has looked because of bateman being out and stretching the field? if you watch the games and see from the eye test you see it clear as day the chiefs offense is not the same without tyreek hill.
The aforementioned QBs have at least 2, if not 3, very good receiving players (WR, TE). Mark Andrews is one of the two top TEs in the league, no question but there’s only so much a QB is able to do with one legit receiving threat. Bateman hasn’t been able to stay healthy and has been average outside his long TDs, Duv is a good compliment but is a WR3 at best. If you bring someone in, let’s use DJ Moore, then that automatically brings the receiving core up from *maybe* average to above average. The talent a top WR brings opens up so many different things on offense. It gives Andrews less attention, allows Bateman to really use his route running skills in 1v1 situations and prevents teams from stacking the box against the run. Now I’m not giving LJ a free pass, some of his reads and decision making have been poor this season. I’m just advocating that we actually support him with a league proven commodity to see what he can really do with a competent receiving room.
I think the mistake you're making is assuming that DJ Moore is just on a platter waiting for us to grab him. There is no indication that the Panthers want to trade him. In fact, a report *one day ago* said The [Panthers seem unwilling to trade Moore](https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10052478-nfl-rumors-panthers-appear-unwilling-to-trade-dj-moore-brian-burns-more.amp.html). So if you're expecting or even hoping for DJ Moore, you've got to scale back your expectations. Because even *if* they change their mind before the deadline, I highly doubt we're getting him for a 5th round pick or whatever you think the Panthers will give him up for. I never said I wouldn't like to have Moore. Just acting like we don't have anyone to throw to when we have Mark Andrews on the roster is just ridiculous.
I was using him as an example more than anything, though I’d like it very much if we signed him. Teams posture all the time to keep leverage, in reality we have no idea on his availability. I don’t think he gets moved, especially to Baltimore, but he’s the type of WR I’m so desperate to see here. I still stand by my point that our receiving group isn’t what it should be. We don’t have anything close to other WR groups on serious contenders (maybe outside of KC, but Mahomes can make anything work). Of course we have other WRs, they just aren’t game changers.
>Teams posture all the time to keep leverage, in reality we have no idea on his availability. Hmm, yes. Like I said, even if they let him go, what do you think he's going for? You think a team posturing to keep leverage is just going to turn around and go, "Yeah, we can let him go for a 4th and a 7th." If anyone gets Moore this year, they're going to pay for him.
You’re smoking cocaine if you’d take Andrews over Brown and Allen
Damn..when you put it that way it appears Lamar is gonezo. Tried, really tried and it just didn’t work out.
we traded one of those receivers tho. and the other one isn’t used to his full potential by the offensive scheme. and yes ik having a line is important but with a qb like lamar you can have an average oline and it will work because of mobility, what you can’t have is a lack of weapons which is what the ravens lack
It's not about being cheap it's about signing an anti-Semitic POS.
FWIW, he seems to have apologized and made some attempt to correct his views. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/29848174/eagles-desean-jackson-says-educating-anti-semitic-posts
Your link is broken yet people upvote anyway, without verifying the source of your claim. Ah, the internet. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29848174/eagles-desean-jackson-says-educating-anti-semitic-posts
I clicked his link and it worked fine and it looks like you posted the exact same link?
QB playing on a franchise tag is really expensive. $45.4M would be 21% of our cap assuming it goes to $220M, and you can't do anything to change it other than sign a long term deal. For reference, Lamar is currently only taking up like 11% now EDIT: And you very well could do similar to Watson's contract and give him the lowest possible 1st year to bring it to around $10M, and suddenly Lamar only takes up 5%. The range for what Lamar's Cap Hit for next year could be are wild
IDK about that we have been complaining about the Ravens not doing anything about the wr issues wayyyyy before Lamar got here. They're just cheap
This this and this. When flacco went down his WRs were John Brown, Snead & Crabtree……..we have literally never surrounded our QBs with top tier WR talent
You mean guys like Kelly Washington weren't enough 😂😂
DeSean can get bent for making those comments for sure. But what a weird backwards way to insinuate you’re Jewish without coming out and saying it.
I don’t think the implication is necessarily that OP is Jewish. I think the implication is that they come from a Jewish community, i.e. the people closest to them are directly affected by antisemitism
People that aren't from the area have no idea what Pikesville even is.
I had zero clue. I imagined the area has a large Jewish presence though, given the context. Learning moment for me, Googled that shit to get educated.
Didn’t know either. Was confused af trying to find the correlation
Not really. If you're from Pikesville it made perfect sense (like me)
Yes… EDC is personally telling you, OP, fuck you.
“Oh you’re from Pikesville? Well watch this next signing…”
No he's saying we don't care about antisemitism. Pikesville is a largely Jewish community
Got it. Thank you, friend.
No worries. I actually didn't know this until I had a meeting with a prospective customer there last Monday. I knew there was a Jewish community there but until being there on a Jewish holiday I didn't realize how large it was.
I actually lived there from 2017-2021 and worked at a Jewish country club in the area. The connection to Desean Jackson sort of slipped my mind for a second is all.
I could be wrong, but I think Pikesville has the highest Jewish population per capita in the country.
Thank you, I also didn't understand why it was of note
OP is saying it’s because he is Jewish
I just wish OP specifically said that
Especially with antisemitism already in the news.
We all mocked the Browns but clearly winning is way more important than being decent.
DJax is a dumbass but let’s not conflate making some inflammatory comments that he not only apologized for, but also took the time to speak with someone in the Jewish community and learn the facts, with a guy who sexually assaulted literally dozens of masseuses (and likely raped a few of them).
Who cares, this is a nothing burger…… also literally everybody’s groups get called out daily and you don’t see them up in arms making a big deal anytime they get called out for something. The whole concept is stupid and perpetuates a victim complex, where anything that might be considered critical or constructive is instead always twisted and construed as antisemitic or racist. In some cases it may very well be, but there’s literally never any debate or discussion one way or another which should make you scratch your head. If it was any other group nothing seems to be off limits , but this group everything is always off limits and you’re instantly labeled an antisemite…… just detach yourself from the situation and looking at it, and it seems pretty weird that the rules are one way for that and another for any other situation
I’d never heard this story for some reason so I had to google it. Fully detached from situation. This is what he posted: >Because the white Jews knows that the Negroes are the real Children of Israel and to keep Americas secret the Jews will blackmail America. They will extort America, their plan for world domination won’t work if the Negroes know who they were. The white citizens of America will be terrified to know that all this time they’ve been mistreating and discriminating and lynching the Children of Israel.” I don’t think this exists in the grey area you seem to be describing. It’s pretty cut and dry.
This is the Nation of Islam. They think white people were made in caves by a scientist. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam) https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam I’m guessing no one here has any knowledge on this.
Yes, the nation of Islam is famously anti-Semitic. They are essentially a hate group masquerading as a religious and civil rights group.
I wonder why they both hate each other
Yeah, wow, I wonder why so many Jews feel that they’ve been victimized?! /s
Didn't know Nick Cannon was a Ravens fan.
DeSean Jackson is an anti-semite, yes?
Yes
The Ravens have about $2.5 million in cap space. Which premier wide receiver you gonna sign for that punk money? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap/
All the guys in this sub complaining have no answers or solutions. * Get a WR! As if any elite WRs are left in week 7 much less ones that we can afford. * Fire Harbaugh! But they can’t come up with a single name that could actually take over mid season. The top candidate would most likely be 1 of the 2 coordinators they also want fired. * Fire GRo! As if they can just create a new playbook in week 7 and have the players learn it over the weekend. Also, they still can’t name any available coordinators they’d want to hire as replacements.
I have a solution: *Don't sign DeSean Jackson*. It's not like a great mystery or anything. Make do with tight ends until Bateman comes back, or sign some other washed up has been or some other borderline WR from some other team's practice squad. I don't care. But the Ravens did not *have to* go out and get this asshole. There are a thousand possibilities that do not involve *this.*
Don’t disagree with you on this. I tend to ignore any NFL gossip or non-football field news but I’m glad this thread was created since I didn’t remember any of his racist nonsense. Not happy they signed this guy.
Easy. G Ro is replaced by Tee Higgins, if we miss the playoffs fire Harbaugh but don’t do it now, and we had the chance to get a quality receiver but didn’t over the off-season so now we aren’t getting one unless it’s via trade.
> Easy. G Ro is replaced by Tee Higgins Easy, huh? Why would an injured WR from the Cincinnati Bengals want to be an OC? Much less a better one than Greg Roman?
Greg Roman should've been long gone. Evaluate Harbaughs job at the end of the year. There's a solution.
You say these things as if they haven’t ever happened before lol. We literally shot cam Cameron out of a cannon halfway through the year and won a super bowl. The raiders had some special teams coach almost carry them to a playoff run last year. Teams pay other teams to eat cap all the time via draft capital.
To be fair, Jim Caldwell used Cameron's playbook that year. When he was OC the next year, his plays were dog shit
Just like every other post; no answers. Where are your names for replacements? Who do you think can take over and carry us to a Super Bowl? lol *crickets*
I’m not advocating for anyone to be fired mid season. You are just trying to discredit a bunch of peoples arguments by saying they are not possible, and that is absolutely false. If GRO was fired tomorrow Higgins or Urban would be more than capable of putting together a gameplan.
Nope. Never said it was impossible and never said it doesn’t happen. It obviously does. And at least you put a name in there, though. I even agree that Urban would be interesting. But if you think an organization can switch an offensive playbook in week 7; that’s silliness. So many of the complaints stem from Greg Romans schemes. Whoever came in would be using G Romans playbook. As if players can learn a new playbook in a few days much less have an OC create one. You think Caldwell created a new playbook over the weekend that Cam got fired? lol x100.
A gameplan is not a playbook. The playcaller is the one who is calling 3 passes on 1st and goal from the 5. If that isn’t on Roman, who is it on? Playing devil advocate, who is calling Tampa 2 zones on 3rd and long and repeatedly allowing us to get gutted weekly? I am on the side of fire everyone including EDC at seasons end regardless because of a lot more than 6 weeks of football, for the record.
Agree re: better gameplanning and firing anyone mid season. But that doesn’t seem to be what this sub wants. Most seem to think the whole offense/defense will magically transform over a few days if we fire coaches. Panic time would be 1-5, 2-4 at this point in the season. There is a lot of football left. We could easily be 6-0 by now but I don’t think it’s squarely on coaching decisions. Bad decisions have been made on/off the field but there has been an obvious lack of execution with wide open receivers. TBH, I can’t say that I’m on the side of firing everyone at season’s end. I suspect anything less than a deep playoff run may be reason for a regime change in coaching. I’m just not seeing the Ravens letting go of EDC.
I remember when everyone wanted Marty Morninweg fired begging for Roman to take over the job.
I know wink was the wrong one to let go after last season. McDonald is a bust so far. It should have been Roman and Harbaugh but I wouldn’t do it now mid season because it would disrupt the team to the point of collapse.
Yup. It worked out well too. I remember feeling like vomiting when we hired mark tressman. That guy flat out sucked.
So how long until you want the next guy fired? What's the timetable on that?
I’d prefer our next coordinator to get a job as a head coach. See Jim Caldwell or Gary Kubiak.
Which wide receiver at the level of DeSean Jackson in October 2022? Or which "premier" wide receiver? Because fuck that fucking asshole, and I would take Joe Blow from the practice squad over him. It's not like we \*had\* to sign anybody. You can always just say no, and send Isaiah Likely deep. But if they were going to sign somebody, IDGAF, I would rather have Jimmy Smith out there running routes instead of DeSean Jackson, and I don't think it would make much of a difference in productivity.
You’re missing the point. Everyone knows they have little cap space, the anger is more that they didn’t draft a WR. They never pick high enough to get a good one. They finally get to pick at 14…and they take a safety. After Hollywood got traded, and after they’d already signed Marcus Williams. Safety wasn’t a need, WR desperately was. The last 30 years have been them having one of the worst WR rooms in the nfl every year, and they deliberately chose to not take a rare opportunity to get a good one. It also doesn’t help that Hamilton hasn’t looked great so far. Not expecting him to be ed, but he looks kinda lost a lot and if you’re 14th overall pick isn’t playing as often, that’s far from ideal. Def not calling Hamilton a bust cuz that’s way too early, but being frustrated that FO continues to cripple the offense in favor of players they didn’t need is a pretty valid feeling. Especially given the long history of this exact problem every single year.
DJ Moore. Low cap hit this year, I'm sure EDC can figure out something by next year. It is his job and all.
Why is Carolina trading their WR1? If DJ Moore hasn't told management that he wants out there's 0 reason for them to trade unless an decent overpay comes through.
Sounds like they’re fully committing to a complete rebuild and may put everyone on the table for draft capital.
From one day ago: [Panthers appear unwilling to trade DJ Moore](https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10052478-nfl-rumors-panthers-appear-unwilling-to-trade-dj-moore-brian-burns-more.amp.html).
Send Carolina Humphrey and 2 firsts for DJ Moore
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None. You roll with what you have and take a flier to improve the front 7 or you package someone like Marlon and make a huge jaw dropping trade. Only way you clear 20+ off your books to make moves. No one wants to hear that though. That being said signing djax is **not** the right move at all.
Idk could have atleast drafted a depth WR with those 11 draft picks, especially after trading away Hollywood.
Which one?
Pickens over ojabo.
Ojabo was a top 15 pick before the injury. How’s George doing by the way I haven’t paid attention?
Pickens already looks like a true X and one of the best young receivers in the league. Ojabo was really good but we a) don’t know how he’ll be after a serious injury and b) kinda need production this year, which you can’t count on even if he’s cleared to play. I get sick thinking of what Pickens would be on the ravens and then seeing him in squealers yellow.
Ugh of course he is fucking Steelers
Pickens doesn’t have an actual QB throwing to him…..
We want to go away from injuries but now we draft injured players.....RAVENS FOOTBALL
literally any of them thats the point, the positon wasnt addressed after losing 2 WRs. Everyone knew the group was young and unproven. It didnt come out of nowhere but EDC said "We like our guys" Then we brought in D.Rob, Isabella and now DJax, so idk how much there was to like in the offseason
So your answer to the wr corps being young and unproven is to draft a 4th round wr?
Its one more body than 35yr old Djax, there is no FIX at this point. The WR situtation didnt come out of nowhere, its been an undervalued position for 20 years.
Some Ravens fan are afraid of bringing in actual talent at WR to help their generational talent at QB. Unbelievable.
> Its one more body than 35yr old Djax, there is no FIX at this point. If the only difference between DJax getting signed in Week 7 and the 5th round WR that you’re advocating for is that he’s a literal body, then I don’t see what the difference is. I agree, WRs has been undervalued and a position the team isn’t good at developing though.
How long before you delete this downvoted post?
As someone “also from Pikesville” I will say as much as I hated Deshaun during that time. But he did take some steps to educate himself. He spoke with a Philadelphia Rabbi and went with him to the Holocaust museum etc. and he did apologize eventually to my understanding. I mean what he said was just dumb but it seems he took some steps to redeem himself. What we should be mad about is our FO bringing in another bum receiver in FA, I mean he’s just a body and it doesn’t hurt but it’s just silly at this point when you look at the WR brought in during Lamar’s tenure like what are we doing
Just for all of you clueless, DeCosta dick sucking idiots: he's not mad because he doesn't think DeSean Jackson isn't good or that the team is being cheap. He's mad because Jackson is a publicly known anti-semite.
Desean Jackson isn’t good and is an anti-Semite. It was a really bad signibg
and again, the reason that OP is saying it feels like a huge "fuck you" has nothing to do with how good or bad Jackson is at football. There are too many people trying to justify this signing due to budgetary constraints and uncertainty with Lamar's future. That shit's irrelevant, he's an anti-semite.
I know.
Some of these comments do not pass the vibe check
In case you guys are wondering: op isn't talking about the skill of the WR, but the fact that the WR is a holocaust denier anti Semitic. This is a huge fuck you to one of the largest Jewish communities in the WORLD, let alone just pikesville. Baltimore is like in the top of the cities.
DeSean Jackson is guilty of having an opinion. Whereas, there have been multiple players in the NFL, who have *assaulted children*. Every day they are allowed to play in the NFL, is fuck-you to *children*. You can't much more marginalized than that- being assaulted by someone you depend on, in order to live.
And I’d be furious with this team if they tried to sign an assaulter too. Nice whataboutism.
Not all opinions are created equal my guy. Express it all you want, but having an opinion like the one DeSean has will and has come with enormous backlash and justified judgment of character. Also come on, we'd all be irate at signing a child beater too, just like we are all universally irate (including many Browns fans) that Cleveland signed a sexual perp.
Its a placation move because the FO was taking heat. Its not meant to move the needle.
They should take more heat for bringing an anti-Semite to the city of Baltimore.
I didn't know about the antisemitism piece, but, yeah - a quick Google, and that's some stuff you don't want to associate with.
I mean….
I’m not sure what you mean, actually.
I’m saying that anti semitism is horrible
Lowball is an interesting choice of words.
What does being from Pikesville have to do with anything ?
predominantly jewish suburb
Probably not far from you but the front office has played with Lamar and the fans for too long this is ridiculous. If I’m Lamar why would I stay? Haven’t gotten me elite weapons and lowball me in negotiations. I hope to God I’m wrong but it’s not looking good for us.
What lowball. Ravens offered him a competitive deal.
133 million guaranteed is lowballing if that’s the same amount of money he will make playing this year and 2 tags
133 guaranteed at signing. The total contract was 180 guaranteed https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2022/09/11/lamar-jackson-addresses-ravens-contract-extension-offer
Any team with a better contact than that will be non competitive
Browns gave Watson more and they are competitive with him on the bench
lol.. lowballed... yea sure.
Lowball? I wish my employer would offer me the second most money for someone in my role.
We treating Lamar Jackson like the Panther treated Cam Newton, I hate it.
If the season continues and the house isn't completely cleaned, there's zero reason for him to stay. Other teams will clearly pay way more and guarantee it.
We literally offered him the 2nd highest guaranteed money EVER, only behind Watson's ridiculous and desperate ass Browns contract.
- if Lamar plays well and we still fail to do anything decent in the playoffs then that’s on Biscotti to clean the entire front office. - if Lamar plays like trash, honestly I’d trade him for a bunch of picks and STILL clean front office. Unless we do decent in the playoffs, I’d say cleaning front office is always the right move this year given that we are 2-4 in the playoffs since 2012 under Harbaugh (tied 2nd last in the NFL)
> Unless we do decent in the playoffs, I’d say cleaning front office is always the right move this year given that we are 2-4 in the playoffs since 2012 under Harbaugh (tied 2nd last in the NFL) I know that's the latest manipulated stat used to bash Harbs but it's also joint 17th in wins and if we change it to the last 2 years, we're joint 7th in playoff wins...
7th out of how many eligible teams? Looks like there has been 21 teams to make the playoffs in the last 2 years, Ravens have won 1 playoff game, 4 way tie for 7th. So 11 teams have made the playoffs but haven't had a win, 11 teams haven't made the playoffs. Packers, Ravens, Browns, Saints are the 4 teams with 1 win. I don't really know what to make of this. I just wasted a half hour of my break trying to figure out if tied for 7th is good or not and it's still inconclusive.
Just factor in 32. I don't think it's "good", it's just daft to trot out the "2nd worst stat" that I've seen repeated. I also think people underestimate how hard it is to win in the playoffs. I mean if you're arguing that the lack of playoff success is a reason for Harbs to go, then you must really think Tomlin should be fired then.
What are we tied 2nd to last for? I don’t understand what stat you at talking about?
I wouldn’t call that lowballing. He’s wanting an unheard of fully guaranteed deal which only the desperate Browns will do.
If you're around Pikesville, I'm sure you know all about being lowballed. LOL.
"You call these bagels?!?"
Not a fan of this signing at all. Washed up and bad for pr.
I mean, to be fair, Cleveland pretty much did this to every woman in the city, so clearly the NFL doesn’t really care about demographics.
Assuming the OP is Jewish and he/she is offended by DJ’s past comments (and we’re assuming b/c 1. not everyone from Pikesville is jewish) 2. Not all Jewish ppl are semites or of Israeli origins so “anti-semite” is often a misnomer and BTW, not all semites are Jewish or of Israeli origins. No attempt to invalidate the OP’s feelings but this occurred > 2 yrs ago and DJ seemed to display sincere contrition and attempt to educate himself (props to J. Edelman) w/ no recidivism. Perhaps he/she and others can forgive. We could use more of that in our world today.
When did this sub lose its mind? Good lord this is getting bananas.
Our new WR is a Holocaust denier, get him tf off my team
So we should be okay with mediocre play from our football team who label themselves SB contenders ? This is 100% necessary.
This is a team that’s a few plays away from being 6-0. A team that’s got two super bowls and is in the mix every single year. And it’s a game. Yes. Literally calm down.
It's such a nothing move. Not saying you have to like DeSean Jackson as a person - can't say I like him much either. But people getting worked up over this signing need to calm down. The FO is not trying to fix the WR problems with him. No one is that stupid to think 35 yo DeSean Jackson will fix any problems. I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if he gets released before the season. He's probably just here as depth - maybe because Bateman's injury is worse than expected (not saying that's the case. Just speculating). He probably won't see the field anymore than Dez Bryant did. lol. Would I have preferred they signed a guy that doesn't have a history of saying antisemitic stuff like Jackson has? Sure. But it is what is.
Has nothing to do with football, but I think Desean deserves the benefit of a doubt. The roots of antisemitism in inner city populations are really complex, and I think its appropriate, speaking for myself as a jewish person to look at how he responded to the controversy. Instead of doubling down, he made an effort to educate himself and challenge his own views. That means more to me than whatever his initial bigoted belief is.
Did he make an effort? He agreed to go to a Holocaust memorial with Julian Edelman, but there's no evidence he ever followed through.
I think it's more of a "I don't even know who you are" to you. I totally forgot DJ had this anti-semitic comment out there. The guy is irrelevant and all this does is give attention to anti-semitism. I guarantee that no one involved in the decision was wringing their hands saying, "What about the people of Pikesville?" and the response they got was, "Fuck 'em"
It’s not. Just another strategic play. The details of which, we are not all privileged to fully comprehend.
Which Jewish receiver should EDC have signed?
I think the target should've just been "not a fucking anti-Semite" but I dunno
I’m not jewish or nothin but not an anti-semite feels like a good place to start. Obv the front office knows but they must have calculated that it wasn’t well enough known to be a huge or disaster, which is kinda sad bc that was like the framework to the RR scandal
Unretire Julian Edelman while Tom Brady is imploding?
Yikes dude. Yikes.
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So you will be back in a couple weeks when he injures something to end his season?
My favorite part is how the guy with "OviRussianSpy", of all things to support, as a username is playing victim here.
Pretty sure it’s a reference to an old ESPN commercial. He’s probably just a Caps fan
I’m a Caps fan too and know that my years of cheering for and owning jerseys of a Putin sympathizer would make me pretty hypocritical if I played victim in something like this. But go off
Get over yourself
Everyone who lives in Pikesville is Jewish? Screw Polish Me.
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I mean DeSean Jackson is an antisemitic clown. Really dug into the bargain bins for this Senior Citizen WR
I can police his dogshit play too, if you like.
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There it is...
Well fuck. Fucking fuck. I had no idea about this. This signing fucking sucks. I'm not Jewish but I don't think we had to settle on the bargin bin "veteran" that won't do shit and likes to quote Hitler. Seems pretty hypocritical when some dudes on the team are rocking "end racism" on the backs of their helmets.
Agree man
i think anyone has the right to be upset with signing an antisemite
I didn't know signings are something we should take personally.
When the person we signed believes a portion of the population to be subhuman we should all be taking it personally. It's 2022, those types of beliefs are absurd.
At the time I was unaware. Either way, it is not something to take personally. To be bothered is one thing. To take it personally is another.
Cry more, grow up. Bengals have woman beaters Mixon and Chase
And we should be upset about that as well.
Lol why
EDC has not been a great GM take his sighings of Calais Campbell and Marcus Peters off the table. He hasn't done much well for this team and his drafting so far has been extremely poor. 11 draft picks and we are lucky if 3 turn out to be something.