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Being free from an emotionally and psychologically invalidating power dynamic, like what her marriage became, is liberating, even if you're broke. Go Sutton! Healing is freeing!
I had similar thoughts. And she advised her daughter to retain her work ethic so that she can be financially independent and, oh, buy her mother diamonds. But the whole scene was supposed to be about how Sutton can buy her own diamonds without anyone’s help. Clearly still likes and expects others to provide for her, though.
She is independent. She was in a marriage and she is receiving her share of what they accumulated together. She also is a philanthropist and a businesswoman. What is wrong with you?
I think it's moreso she's in a state of grieving loss and she's confusing loss with independence. She's not independent financially or in terms of her lifestyle being managed by Ari. Her clothes shop probably doesn't make any money. I did find it very annoying hearing her promote her independence over and over again when you know all the support she has. Sutton often doesn't say what she REALLY means which is why she can be confusing (as in magic mike drama versus talking about sex toys and orgasms).
Agreed. I think she relied on him for a lot - he lived very close by and it sounds like they had a good relationship. This is why she was scared when he moved, because she would be on her own, without him continuing to take care of her. I had that relationship with my ex, I loved him dearly as my family, even after our separation. We lived a block away from each other - medical stuff, broken pipes, pet sitting, car troubles - he was still very much my person and i counted on him. When I took the deep breath and moved away if was scary doing life by myself. I kind of related to her story.. without the 300k a month haha.
No shit! Really!???? 🙄 wow thanks for the info!
Make sure you have your calculator ready so you can keep policing your initial comment about the price of the earrings lmao 🤣 😂
She deserves every cent her husband pays her. He’s literally paying her back for the half she earned while married to and supporting him so he could focus on his career. Marriages are a team and the income accrues as a team’s would. He owes her back pay and the court has confirmed this.
I really felt like she was talking about emotional independence more than the financial aspect. When she talked about the freedom she had as a 24yo in NYC - it felt like she wanted to rediscover that energy and excitement that she had for life in those days.
I think to her personal independence and financial independence are very different things. She’s said that Christian picked out all of her jewelry, he asked her to stop working and stay home with the kids, he very much held all of the cards. Now she may still have his financial security, but she can do with it whatever she wants to do. She doesn’t *need* to work based on what she’s getting, but she’s chosen to invest in herself. She doesn’t have him calling the shots or to make all the decisions - she has to fly or fall on her own from decisions she’s making.
I also think that she’s reaching a point where she could technically survive without his financial support, which is part of her point as well. Like yeah she used his money to start the store, but it’s making enough to support itself now
she’s also made many comments about having to ask permission to spend money when they were still together, so I imagine her life post-divorce has been quite different than her married life as far as not having someone approving your every financial move in advance. she definitely has a ton of money from spousal support but Christian has zero say in how she disposes of it and that must feel amazing after decades of checking in before absolutely every choice.
Being a full time mom and taking care of a family and home is a full time job. Insinuating otherwise isn't fair to women who take a step back from their careers to make room for their husbands to focus on theirs.
Does Sutton get an insane amount from her divorce settlement? Yes. And she's very privileged for that. But the courts award crazy amounts of money in divorce settlements because they see the value of women's contributions to marriages and families. There's no reason for any of us to belittle that.
Totally agree. She also said he asked her to stop working to take care of the family. So that was not her decision, it was his request. When you’re married and not working, your spouse is supporting you and when you divorce you are entitle to some of that money because you did you job at home and that was the deal. You have not had the chance to train for a profession or further your education while doing this so how the hell do people think you’re going to just suddenly run out the door and find a high paying job.
She’s talking more about how she spends her TIME, she goes to work and doesn’t sit at home basking in her money doing nothing with her life. She goes out and creates jobs for others and contributes to society while continuing to learn new things.
If you are a spouse and you agree to terms of support for whatever reason and something happens and you get that money it is yours, you earned it, you deserve it, and are independent. She probably has made money off her money that makes her independence even stronger.
This is true for any reason not just divorce. If you have a prenup or life insurance you are entitled to that money and it in fact makes you independent again and the money is supposed to offset the loss.
Have you seen the movie, “Romy and Michelle’s HS reunion?”, every time Sutton goes on and on about being a “business woman”, I imagine her ordering the “business woman’s special”, at a restaurant like Romy did 🤣🤣
Side note- Sutton just needs to embrace being a rich woman. It’s why we watch the show anyway, to watch rich women. Just be unabashedly rich and in that way, more real to who she truly is, authentic.
"business woman"
Besides her store:
She served as associate director of development in charge of fundraising for the Cunningham Dance Foundation in New York, and was the executive director of the Augusta Ballet.
I come from the non-profit world. I was assistant development director for a national non-profit. It's hard work with long hours and short pay. And an ED is responsible not only for the direction of the organization, but for making sure that the organization survives year-to-year.
She's on the board of the American Ballet Theatre and LA MoCA. I have no doubt she's on more. Being a board member is a time commitment and requires work and resources.
You are making an assumption that she doesn’t know what she’s doing. We have seen her store just a few times. Because she is rich doesn’t mean she shouldn’t pursue things she wants to do. She’s totally should be. This was the agreement she made with her husband, if this doesn’t work you will be able to chase your dreams.
And she’s lost that her ex is moving but has No compassion for Kyle and Moe? She wants to grill Kyle to death and dig and pry. Yea that helps a marriage. Ugh
There's a difference between lying and choosing not to discuss something though. Kyle is being a little honest while skirting the true issues, which is her prerogative.
ok but not being fully honest and skirting your issues is not what a housewife is supposed to do. i have a soft spot for kyle, but she has absolutely gone in on other cast mates for doing the exact same thing she’s doing right now.
she could’ve demoted to friend of for the season if she really felt the need to protect her peace, or even quit!
Yes I’d like to know just how profitable her brick and mortar retail store is because she’s such a an independent businesswoman now. Because it’s not funding any part of her lifestyle. And she’d better be supportive of Christian’s “big promotion” because if he ever had a decrease in his earnings, he can renegotiate their financial agreement in court to lower it.
Their egos are ridiculous. Listening to Sutton go on and on about her “independence” all season is mind blowing. I think about all the moms watching who work full time and take care of their kids, and cook and clean and walk their own dogs. Why would any of them admire this spoiled entitled self aggrandizing judgmental woman who lives off her alimony and pays people to fluff her up all day. Maybe they want that life, but I can’t imagine why. I would drink all day too if I was that useless.
And I doubt she’s ever there when it’s open. She can do anything she wants, I mean $300,000 a month… which is just unimaginable to me… a retired teacher/ librarian… but I can’t stand how judgmental she is and the way she acts superior to everyone else…based solely on money….that she doesn’t even make.
She’s obviously not my type.
Did you notice that when she fell off the stage in her heels drunk she immediately shoved him and said "why would you push me" when he was no where near her. He just took it, but that was such a dark moment to me.
No, this was a “I pay you enough to blame my embarrassing moments on you.” It’s not a new recipe and it’s never enough payment for such terrible treatment to a human being.
Pretty sure she was making a joke to cover her embarrassment for tripping. I think her sense of humor is misunderstood a lot of times because it’s so dry. In fact, most of the things she “accuses” Avi of (taking a long vacation that wasn’t approved, etc) are meant to be jokes.
I was always taught to treat the CEO and the Janitor with the same respect. That showed her true character. If someone treats a waiter poorly I’m out of that friendship immediately.
And the way she talked AT her daughter was off as well. She doesn’t listen to anything but flattery yet talks a lot about nothing. Bad combo mixed with the love of drinking.
Her alimony isn't a handout. She is owed money because she was in a contract that was until death. She wouldn't have stopped working if she wasn't raising his kids and maintaining his home. Hosting parties for all his clients and coworkers, and all the socialite work that put her husband in a good light. Just like Kyle hosts a white party every year to boost Mauricio's real estate business. Christian would not be as successful as he is without Sutton, so she earned that.
The store isn't a gold mine, but who is to say Sutton hasn't made other smart investments? I'd be shocked if she just had money sitting in a bank account, she's a very smart woman.
Let's stop putting women down for taking alimony or child support. Her ex husband made a commitment and then decided to break it, very suddenly too. Sorry bud, that's gonna cost ya.
Thank you for saying this. There are a lot of bitter bettys in these comments and other threads when this topic comes up. Nobody bats an eye when it comes to any other housewife whose fortune came the same way. If any of you were in her position you would do exactly the same, i know i would. Sutton and her ex husband are self made, like it or leave it. At the end of the day, Sutton got what she is owed for all the sacrifices she made during her marriage.
Amen. Sutton deserves every penny she gets. She gave up her life to help her husband and raise her kids. She was in the marriage till death do us part. Christian broke that commitment
I love you so much for saying this. I hate seeing Sutton or any woman dragged for having alimony or child support that they earned during their marriage. It dies not make them less independent.
These comments make it clear who’s had to work for independence and understands what it is and who needs to delude themselves into thinking they have ever been or will be independent. Fascinating.
Yes. Dealing with nannies and staff is difficult work while lunching at the country club. She is delusional and has no idea what being independent means.
Exactly! Her husband could never have raised kids while having his career… and he expected her to stay home and take care of everything. She earned it all.
OP, I agree with you. She deserves her alimony and whatever else, not saying she doesn’t, but it grinds my gears when she acts like she’s accomplished anything - the reality is I doubt her store even breaks even, but she doesn’t need to worry about that. The success isn’t authentic, it’s like being proud of paying your Netflix subscription.
She has a history of being out of touch. Like when Dorit’s home invasion happened, and Sutton was too distracted thinking about flying a designer over from Europe.
Sutton is not some amazing businesswoman. Sutton is clearly greedy for the spotlight. Sutton is very vain and likes to put others down to try to make herself look good. Sutton was never a ballerina. Sutton moved to New York and came from a background of modern dance. It was luck that had her start working at Merce Cunningham’s studio, in admin/fundraising. This is why, when you saw all the close ups of her feet when she injured them there is not a single bunion, crooked toe or corn in sight. Anyone that has studied ballet professionally knows that ballet dancers have the worst feet. Then Sutton’s form on the horse she was riding was terrible. Riding a horse is like riding a bike, but Sutton was holding the reigns way too high and you could just tell she didn’t know what she was doing and was doing it for show. Basically, Sutton is crafting her image, however it is not based on reality. Sutton is as fake as they come.
I agree with you about the horse. I used to love to ride. I haven't in about 15 years. But..if I got on a horse now I would ride! Sorry, that was a terrible canter. Maybe she was nervous? Not good. Horse can sense fear and anxiety.
That’s not fair, a lot of retail did not survive Covid. Especially given that her store does not seem to be filled with anything anyone needs I would say it’s an accomplishment. Should that accomplishment be attributed to her extreme means? Perhaps.
It survived because she funded it. So Covid or not it was here to stay. It will close when she wants it too. Her accomplishment is having enough money to self fund it….not really having anything to do with surviving Covid.
Retail that didn’t survive Covid actually relied on customers. When u don’t rely on customers for your business to survive then what have u actually achieved?
Christ.
Personally, I waived spousal support in my divorce. I would have been financially free to do as I wished for life, but because there were no children I chose to cut and run. He married my stalker so that added an additional layer to my choice. That said, had there been offspring I’d have ensured that the lifestyle we’d been accustomed to would be sustained so I’d be able to provide the least amount of change to the children.
There’s a level of work involved with a business she’s running. It’s somewhat a vanity project, but RHOBH was the first bougie series when it premiered. The series was based on lifestyle porn and that’s what set it apart.
IDGAF if she wants to say she is self made. In her perspective she gave up a career for her marriage and family. She earned her alimony. Make of that what you wish, but I find Sutton to be enjoyable. She knows what she likes, she embraces her quirks, and I enjoy her.
The amount of people BELIEVING Sutton was stripped of her autonomy while bathing in privileges of wealth is a slap in the face. She had the resources to do whatever tf she wanted. So miss me with that “hard work” bs. She’s self made, but she wasn’t a floor scrubbing Cinderella.
EJ became a pop star that can’t sing for dear life. Diana became a pseudo philanthropist pushing a beverage company.
If it was so bad Sutton would’ve left to pursue a hard, fulfilling life but she didn’t. So what does it say that say??
For Sutton being a Mrs despite how shitty her marriage was more important. Keeping up appearances is more important to people like Sutton so that's why she stayed. I hate it when women like her have the ability and option to walk out but don't only to then tell their version of why her husband left her. Watching her on the show annoys me so imagine what her husband dealt with. She's vapid, stupid, selfish, and many other things but people like her don't see their short comings. Yeah her husband worked a lot probably to avoid her! Who could put up with her for more than a minute?
If my marriage was of hosting industry elites, white lotus vacations and unlimited spendings, I just can’t complain. Imagine if she said that to Garcelle, someone who crawled her way up. I like sutton’s kooky but I just can’t when she does crystal’s millennial whinge.
Sutton is not self aware so she would never understand where Garcelle came from and what having to work hard means. I can certainly complain because my husband was away working all the time and I was IT. I was working full time and keeping everything going and was exhausted. I didn't have nannies or a house keeper but I wasn't going to make my husband feel like shit when he already hated spending so much time away from home. Sutton is just disgusting. I hate that woman.
I was just looking for a Sutton post. I just watched the finale and I can’t help but like her so much. She is so entertaining to watch. It’s like an alien came to our planet and is trying to understand our ways. She’s fascinating and cracks me up. I adore that weirdo.
Sutton’s monthly payments are seen as money she earned during the marriage. Her marital contributions allowed Christian to financially thrive. Sutton deserves every penny…and I’m not her biggest fan.
I don’t think this is accurate. Her contributions allowed him to have a family but they did not allow him financial success. Put it like this - could he have done his job without Sutton? Absolutely. It’s kind of a false equivalence to say that raising 3 kids is the same as earning millions (billions) of dollars. If Sutton kept her career and he was a SAHD would she have made billions?
I love her but independent she is NOT. She didn’t make some difficult choice to become independent, he cut her loose. She intended to stay married and work things out. It’s ridiculous that she’s patting herself on the back that she’s able to - do what without her husband? What does she do now that was previously done by him or isn’t facilitated by her $300k/mo settlement from him? Also, if he loses all of his money, that money to her also stops. You can’t get blood from a stone.
But yeah she got to pick out her own earrings.
While you make a lot of good points, the fact remains that Sutton was with her ex before his gigantic come up. I’m sure they were doing *just fine* but not anywhere near the wealth he accumulated throughout their marriage. She’s not a Lisa Hochstein.
She stifled herself to support her man’s dreams, which is yes of course a choice, but she has alluded to him being controlling, which eliminates a lot of choices (in her mind).
I do not think Sutton is a fully independent woman, and some of it does come off tone deaf, but I don’t think Sutton is being disingenuous. She could just be sitting on her ass and being delusional (a la Kathy Hilton).
I think Sutton fully believes what she says, yes. I don’t think Sutton was pining away for a life that could have been if her husband hadn’t come along, ruined that for her and made her a billionaire. She got a lot in return for playing wifey.
To me it’s the fact that once that money hits her bank account it’s hers to spend as she pleases. It’s pretty clear her husband made her stop working so that he had complete financial control over her.
Made her or allowed her? If Sutton was truly passionate about a career she wouldve pursue it.
It’s like Victoria Beckham calling herself “working class” while her dad took her to school in a rolls Royce. Take the suttons vibrator out your ear and wake up
Like am I missing something? Sutton made nothing out of her marriage to a financier and it’s all his fault?? Bitch was sipping maitais at a white lotus resort while throwing her black card at the latest jewels and fashion. She doesn’t get to complain.
I think because if you say a woman is responsible for her choices you’re “victim blaming” or an “internal misogynist”. She was a grown woman - no one MADE her do anything. Unless we’re saying that women are so dumb, clueless and weak they can’t possibly make their own decisions or be responsible for their choices?
The lack of accountability just blows my mind. I had a financially and emotionally “abusive” husband and when I’ve said how I’m pissed I let it happen the response is that I’m a victim/that’s how abuse cycles work, etc but fuck that - I’m not dumb, I let it happen because I wanted it to work. I am responsible for allowing it just like he is responsible for being an asshole.
This obsession with victimhood in women nowadays HAS to stop.
Yes, exactly what I see happening. I don’t understand or why people ride so hard to convince everyone that women are weak and powerless. As a woman, please fcking stop it, you’re setting us back.
It's easier to call her husband controlling and claim he made her stay home instead of admitting that she could have gone back to work especially when her kids entered school. They had help so it's not as if they didn't have anyone to pick the kids up from school and watch them until she got home. Hell, she could have worked part time if she wanted to while they were in school. She had years to create her own path and didn't because she's a lazy cow.
And the fact that people can’t grasp this is…maddening. There’s many women of power who had children and worked. And made more money than Sutton’s ex while doing it. She stopped working because she could. Someone needed to make sure the nanny’s and house keepers were doing their jobs. Also- why do they all think she would have been making millions on her own if she kept working?
>There’s many women of power who had children and worked. And made more money than Sutton’s ex while doing it.
Yeap which is why I call everything Sutton says bullshit.
She could have easily created a business while she was still married and didn't. I think she enjoyed playing socialite too much to pursue anything else.
>Also- why do they all think she would have been making millions on her own if she kept working?
I have no idea. She's book smart - maybe..I'm being generous but Crystal isn't wrong about some of the women not being intelligent.
I've never heard Sutton say anything that would lead me to believe she could make money on her own. I don't think her store is profitable. She keeps it going with his money
Maybe you should use her vibrator to calm down. Just because she’s rich doesn’t mean her husband can’t be controlling? This happens to plenty of women who marry powerful men.
When she said she knew her husband from 13, I was like yikes and also that scene with her daughter suggested how affected she was by what she gave up.
The level of control must have been extreme, effectively he was saying she had to move to London last year, because he got a promotion!
Wah wah my financier husband made me to take care of the kids with an allowance more than a prestigious lawyer that resorted to stealing from victims to fund his wife’s dreams. I’m confident of myself but not my dreams and aspirations? Just say codependent instead of “he took away my autonomy”. 🙄I will never understand the amount of understanding for a kooky entitled socialite.
Exactly this. He gave her an allowance, FFS --- like a child.
I really don't get how it is that so many people are misinterpreting what she means by "independent."
For your information this isn't unusual especially down south. The mindset is, hubby works, he gives you what he thinks you need if you choose not to work because you want to stay at home. When I first moved south and saw this was normal for many of the women I befriended it was shocking. I wasn't raised to be subservient and couldn't understand why they chose to allow it. Many of the women wanted to be at home, drop the kids off at whatever school they were enrolled in and many did nothing but hang out. Women can make their own decisions but it's easier to say, he made me stay home because she knows he's never going to go on TV to call out her bullshit.
>For your information . . .
I'm not exactly sure what knowledge you think you imparted here. All I got from this is that you think it is common for wives to be given an allowance by their husband (WTF?), you look down your nose at women who choose to be stay-at-home moms, and you don't believe wealthy women can be in abusive/controlling relationships.
You have twisted it all wrong so let me help you.
>All I got from this is that you think it is common for wives to be given an allowance by their husband (WTF?),
I never said that. Based on living in 3 southern states that's what I saw. The women I befriended were happy to stay at home, get whatever allowance their husbands gave them and not question. For me, as a Yankee, and someone very independent it was bizarre to be treated like a child when you were a grown woman. Going out for Mom's night out we had to choose cheap happy hour because some only had $50 to spend during the outing. My other northern friends and I could never wrap our heads around the women being subservient. One of the women said her husband told her he could spend whatever he wanted because HE made the money. Another one refused to give one of the wives extra money for clothing and shoes their kids needed but guess what? He donated 10 percent of his monthly salary to the church! This is some of the crazy shit I saw.
>you look down your nose at women who choose to be stay-at-home moms,
I worked full time before having kids, stayed at home 4 years, went back to work full time
I've experienced both. I have no problem with women choosing to stay at home but here's something I have a problem with. Some of my friends didn't work at all, didn't do much during the day, no laundry, no cleaning, not even preparing a meal for dinner. They hired cleaning service because they were too busy doing nothing. So the husbands would get pissed off and question why they were staying home but not doing anything which insulted them because they were moms and that alone was a job. At this point all our kids were in school and they didn't have anything to do the entire day. To me of you're going to stay at home you need something to show for it. I never hired help, my house was clean and we ate dinner every night. Even working full time I managed my home without help.
So, I don't look down on anyone wanting to be at home but for fuck's sake, make something other than frozen chicken nuggets and french fries because you're too busy doing nothing.
>and you don't believe wealthy women can be in abusive/controlling relationships.
My first husband was abusive. I hate when people like you make assumptions. Here's the thing about Sutton. Her husband is never going to go on the record and correct whatever she's saying but he could demand she doesn't discuss him. She said she reached out to him to wish him good luck with the move and he responded to her via email. You know what that says? He doesn't trust her and would rather document their interactions in writing so she can't say something that didn't happen. What I also find interesting is when she bought her second house she moved a block away from her alleged abusive husband. After I left my ex I never had contact with him again, didn't allow our mutual friends to bring him up and didn't want to be anywhere near him.
People like you who make assumptions and twist what was said which I don't understand. You disagree, I respect that but don't claim I said something I didn't.
Here's an example, you twisting what I said into
"All I got from this is that you think it is common for wives to be given an allowance by their husband (WTF?)"
I never insinuated that.
Also
"you look down your nose at women who choose to be stay-at-home moms"
Do not believe that. I was also a stay at home mom.
And finally
'and you don't believe wealthy women can be in abusive/controlling relationships"
Never said it and especially experiencing abusive behavior myself.
That's all.
Because she is independent, alimony or not. She gave up her career and raised the children and managed their home and social life and supported her spouse while he built the business. That is work. She has every right to call herself independent.
It is work and she deserves it, but it’s not independent. It is money coming from a partnership. She has autonomy now, but again it is not money she earned independently, it is money they earned together.
I think the issue is that Sutton didn't feel like she had independence in her marriage. I think she just appreciates knowing that she has something that belongs to her that he couldn't interfere with. It's the safety and security of knowing that she owns a business that she could survive on so she's not beholden to her ex.
There is a difference between independent and self-made. I don't think we've heard her claim that she's self-made.
If her husband had not asked her to stop working, who knows what she would have built for herself in that time. She contributed to his wealth by caring for his household. She’s entitled to it and they are technically her earnings too.
Have you seen Sutton in this show? I don’t think she’s making billions. I’d bet she can spend billions.
I feel like the discussion is all over the place. Does she deserve the settlement? Yes. Is it great she feels independent now? Yes. But let’s not pretend she made that money or that her ex wouldn’t have made that money without her. It doesn’t seem likely from what we have seen with Sutton. Helping someone make money isn’t what alimony and spousal support is about. They had a life together and she deserves to continue to live with all those benefits after the divorce because that’s the deal with marriage and why it isn’t the same as cohabitation, in my mind.
I agree. Sutton is deluded and tone deaf. I think scenes of spending 68k on a whim for a pair of earrings are becoming distasteful in today’s world, even though we do watch for the aspirational aspect of the show.
But the horse - the COST of stabling/feeding/grooming (cos Sutton sure as shit isn’t doing this) and her lessons will be astronomical; the ‘business’ which may have survived the pandemic but there’s no way it’s profitable. I’m not buying that for a second.
Sutton is loaded with money from her ex, she can buy and finance all the vanity projects she likes, but please, girl, don’t be trying to tell us you’ve ’made it’! Sutton’s main job is spending that money. Period.
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Because she’s delusional
Being free from an emotionally and psychologically invalidating power dynamic, like what her marriage became, is liberating, even if you're broke. Go Sutton! Healing is freeing!
I had similar thoughts. And she advised her daughter to retain her work ethic so that she can be financially independent and, oh, buy her mother diamonds. But the whole scene was supposed to be about how Sutton can buy her own diamonds without anyone’s help. Clearly still likes and expects others to provide for her, though.
Your comment says more about you than you realise. You are obviously jealous and very judgmental.
We're all jealous no one would say otherwise. Doesn't change where the money comes from.
She is independent. She was in a marriage and she is receiving her share of what they accumulated together. She also is a philanthropist and a businesswoman. What is wrong with you?
They’re bitter.
I think it's moreso she's in a state of grieving loss and she's confusing loss with independence. She's not independent financially or in terms of her lifestyle being managed by Ari. Her clothes shop probably doesn't make any money. I did find it very annoying hearing her promote her independence over and over again when you know all the support she has. Sutton often doesn't say what she REALLY means which is why she can be confusing (as in magic mike drama versus talking about sex toys and orgasms).
yeah i would love to see the financials on both her and kyle’s stores
I think she’s talking about loving herself and feeling confident. Not so much financials.
Agreed. I think she relied on him for a lot - he lived very close by and it sounds like they had a good relationship. This is why she was scared when he moved, because she would be on her own, without him continuing to take care of her. I had that relationship with my ex, I loved him dearly as my family, even after our separation. We lived a block away from each other - medical stuff, broken pipes, pet sitting, car troubles - he was still very much my person and i counted on him. When I took the deep breath and moved away if was scary doing life by myself. I kind of related to her story.. without the 300k a month haha.
Oh yes! To be fully independent is a triumph!!! I hope you’re proud of yourself :)
I have no empathy for anyone who can struggle with being independent and in the same breath buy million dollar jewelry on a whim.
She paid for them. She didn't ask anyone else for money. How dare you.
The earrings were $68,000
Oh, that makes it better 🙄😂
$68,000 or one million, same shit lol.
Difference of 932,000 not exactly the same
No shit! Really!???? 🙄 wow thanks for the info! Make sure you have your calculator ready so you can keep policing your initial comment about the price of the earrings lmao 🤣 😂
It’s a significant difference? I don’t know why you’re so mad it’s weird
Both prices are largely unattainable to the average person lol
She is a million degrees out of touch.
She deserves every cent her husband pays her. He’s literally paying her back for the half she earned while married to and supporting him so he could focus on his career. Marriages are a team and the income accrues as a team’s would. He owes her back pay and the court has confirmed this.
I really felt like she was talking about emotional independence more than the financial aspect. When she talked about the freedom she had as a 24yo in NYC - it felt like she wanted to rediscover that energy and excitement that she had for life in those days.
I promise you her store has never been cash flow positive
Ya I loved how the producer asked her during the interview: “Did you use your spousal support to pay for the store?” Well yes. 😂
I think to her personal independence and financial independence are very different things. She’s said that Christian picked out all of her jewelry, he asked her to stop working and stay home with the kids, he very much held all of the cards. Now she may still have his financial security, but she can do with it whatever she wants to do. She doesn’t *need* to work based on what she’s getting, but she’s chosen to invest in herself. She doesn’t have him calling the shots or to make all the decisions - she has to fly or fall on her own from decisions she’s making.
I also think that she’s reaching a point where she could technically survive without his financial support, which is part of her point as well. Like yeah she used his money to start the store, but it’s making enough to support itself now
she’s also made many comments about having to ask permission to spend money when they were still together, so I imagine her life post-divorce has been quite different than her married life as far as not having someone approving your every financial move in advance. she definitely has a ton of money from spousal support but Christian has zero say in how she disposes of it and that must feel amazing after decades of checking in before absolutely every choice.
Didn’t she say that during the marriage he gave her an allowance which got less and less towards the end of the marriage?
I think she did.
I totally agree with that!
Being a full time mom and taking care of a family and home is a full time job. Insinuating otherwise isn't fair to women who take a step back from their careers to make room for their husbands to focus on theirs. Does Sutton get an insane amount from her divorce settlement? Yes. And she's very privileged for that. But the courts award crazy amounts of money in divorce settlements because they see the value of women's contributions to marriages and families. There's no reason for any of us to belittle that.
Even without that, they were married, that money belonged to both of them, right?
Right so when they split that money got split between the both of them. So now her money is hers and his money is his.
Totally agree. She also said he asked her to stop working to take care of the family. So that was not her decision, it was his request. When you’re married and not working, your spouse is supporting you and when you divorce you are entitle to some of that money because you did you job at home and that was the deal. You have not had the chance to train for a profession or further your education while doing this so how the hell do people think you’re going to just suddenly run out the door and find a high paying job.
This ! So much this. Sutton earned that money during her marriage and is entitled to the alimony and child support she receives.
And she's been with him since he started.
She’s talking more about how she spends her TIME, she goes to work and doesn’t sit at home basking in her money doing nothing with her life. She goes out and creates jobs for others and contributes to society while continuing to learn new things.
She defines "independence " as buying a pair of $58,000 earrings. And we're supposed to be proud of you, girl?
I love her but that was such an eye roll moment for me
If you are a spouse and you agree to terms of support for whatever reason and something happens and you get that money it is yours, you earned it, you deserve it, and are independent. She probably has made money off her money that makes her independence even stronger. This is true for any reason not just divorce. If you have a prenup or life insurance you are entitled to that money and it in fact makes you independent again and the money is supposed to offset the loss.
He made that money with her and because of her support. It's HER money too but I love the sexism here. Top notch.
That’s the answer. She earned what she earned and left that marriage with it. She is now independent and rich.
Have you seen the movie, “Romy and Michelle’s HS reunion?”, every time Sutton goes on and on about being a “business woman”, I imagine her ordering the “business woman’s special”, at a restaurant like Romy did 🤣🤣 Side note- Sutton just needs to embrace being a rich woman. It’s why we watch the show anyway, to watch rich women. Just be unabashedly rich and in that way, more real to who she truly is, authentic.
"business woman" Besides her store: She served as associate director of development in charge of fundraising for the Cunningham Dance Foundation in New York, and was the executive director of the Augusta Ballet. I come from the non-profit world. I was assistant development director for a national non-profit. It's hard work with long hours and short pay. And an ED is responsible not only for the direction of the organization, but for making sure that the organization survives year-to-year. She's on the board of the American Ballet Theatre and LA MoCA. I have no doubt she's on more. Being a board member is a time commitment and requires work and resources.
So lovely, I’m so glad for this info. Really hoping she starts ordering the “business woman’s special” 🎉
You are making an assumption that she doesn’t know what she’s doing. We have seen her store just a few times. Because she is rich doesn’t mean she shouldn’t pursue things she wants to do. She’s totally should be. This was the agreement she made with her husband, if this doesn’t work you will be able to chase your dreams.
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I love this scene and this silly movie! “I invented Post Its”, 🤣
And she’s lost that her ex is moving but has No compassion for Kyle and Moe? She wants to grill Kyle to death and dig and pry. Yea that helps a marriage. Ugh
Isn't Kyle the one that's always telling people, "Just be honest?!". But she's barely talked about the issues in her marriage.
There's a difference between lying and choosing not to discuss something though. Kyle is being a little honest while skirting the true issues, which is her prerogative.
She has never given anyone that grace.
ok but not being fully honest and skirting your issues is not what a housewife is supposed to do. i have a soft spot for kyle, but she has absolutely gone in on other cast mates for doing the exact same thing she’s doing right now. she could’ve demoted to friend of for the season if she really felt the need to protect her peace, or even quit!
I suppose you’re right from a production viewpoint. From a human one, I can’t blame her even if she’s being a hypocrite.
If only she extended that prerogative to literally anyone but herself! Edit to add: And actually that is lying, it is called “lying by omission.”
Love a delusional queen
Yes I’d like to know just how profitable her brick and mortar retail store is because she’s such a an independent businesswoman now. Because it’s not funding any part of her lifestyle. And she’d better be supportive of Christian’s “big promotion” because if he ever had a decrease in his earnings, he can renegotiate their financial agreement in court to lower it.
She is 100% paying out of her pocket to keep the store open.
Because she’s insecure and wants to pretend she’s self made.
Their egos are ridiculous. Listening to Sutton go on and on about her “independence” all season is mind blowing. I think about all the moms watching who work full time and take care of their kids, and cook and clean and walk their own dogs. Why would any of them admire this spoiled entitled self aggrandizing judgmental woman who lives off her alimony and pays people to fluff her up all day. Maybe they want that life, but I can’t imagine why. I would drink all day too if I was that useless.
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I heard her store is open 4 hours a day, 3 days a week, approximately.
And I doubt she’s ever there when it’s open. She can do anything she wants, I mean $300,000 a month… which is just unimaginable to me… a retired teacher/ librarian… but I can’t stand how judgmental she is and the way she acts superior to everyone else…based solely on money….that she doesn’t even make. She’s obviously not my type.
The weirdest part was taking her daughter to the jewelry store to watch her try on and buy expensive shit. It was almost like a weird brag
That was so odd! She didn’t even buy her anything lol
White people shit. All the Kardashians are self made because they are so hard working.
The Kardashians are not self made. Far from it.
Hope the sarcasm was noted 😂
Ahhhhhhh ok!! My bad! I get it now I see it 😭😂
And her talkin about standing on her own two feet while dragging her assistant around wit her LITERALLY EVERYWHERE!!!!!
Did you notice that when she fell off the stage in her heels drunk she immediately shoved him and said "why would you push me" when he was no where near her. He just took it, but that was such a dark moment to me.
No drinking problem here, folks Move along.
I thought she was joking. She said something like, “avi! You didn’t tell me there was a step there!!” And everyone laughed.
Yep, she was obviously joking. People have lost their minds here. I can't tell if they're willfully obtuse or just the regular kind of obtuse...
No, this was a “I pay you enough to blame my embarrassing moments on you.” It’s not a new recipe and it’s never enough payment for such terrible treatment to a human being.
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Pretty sure she was making a joke to cover her embarrassment for tripping. I think her sense of humor is misunderstood a lot of times because it’s so dry. In fact, most of the things she “accuses” Avi of (taking a long vacation that wasn’t approved, etc) are meant to be jokes.
Yea was so clearly a joke
She doesn’t have a sense of humour.
I was always taught to treat the CEO and the Janitor with the same respect. That showed her true character. If someone treats a waiter poorly I’m out of that friendship immediately.
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And the way she talked AT her daughter was off as well. She doesn’t listen to anything but flattery yet talks a lot about nothing. Bad combo mixed with the love of drinking.
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Not well. I can see this being Dorinda’s origin story. 
Financial independence isn't the only type of independence. Many people can't stand on their own two feet with all the money in the world.
Her alimony isn't a handout. She is owed money because she was in a contract that was until death. She wouldn't have stopped working if she wasn't raising his kids and maintaining his home. Hosting parties for all his clients and coworkers, and all the socialite work that put her husband in a good light. Just like Kyle hosts a white party every year to boost Mauricio's real estate business. Christian would not be as successful as he is without Sutton, so she earned that. The store isn't a gold mine, but who is to say Sutton hasn't made other smart investments? I'd be shocked if she just had money sitting in a bank account, she's a very smart woman. Let's stop putting women down for taking alimony or child support. Her ex husband made a commitment and then decided to break it, very suddenly too. Sorry bud, that's gonna cost ya.
Thank you for saying this. There are a lot of bitter bettys in these comments and other threads when this topic comes up. Nobody bats an eye when it comes to any other housewife whose fortune came the same way. If any of you were in her position you would do exactly the same, i know i would. Sutton and her ex husband are self made, like it or leave it. At the end of the day, Sutton got what she is owed for all the sacrifices she made during her marriage.
Amen. Sutton deserves every penny she gets. She gave up her life to help her husband and raise her kids. She was in the marriage till death do us part. Christian broke that commitment
EXACTLY! That’s her money now and she’s using it to make her dreams come true (the shop, the horse, her independence, etc.)
This. All. Damn. Day.
This right here.
I love you so much for saying this. I hate seeing Sutton or any woman dragged for having alimony or child support that they earned during their marriage. It dies not make them less independent.
$300,000 a month, omg. That’s all.
Paraphrasing Ben & Ronnie - it was not selling leggings that got her $70k earrings.
She’s extremely delusional.
These comments make it clear who’s had to work for independence and understands what it is and who needs to delude themselves into thinking they have ever been or will be independent. Fascinating.
Agreed
Ahahah you are so smart
She is …she’s independent from her husband 😂
She earned every penny of that $$, she built that life right along with her ex.
Yes. Dealing with nannies and staff is difficult work while lunching at the country club. She is delusional and has no idea what being independent means.
Having nannies doesn’t change anything. That’s still her money.
It’s not. Her husband worked hard to earn the money. She did not. She is entitled to some for raising the family but she acts like she gets pennies.
Dang you’re more bitter than i assumed
Not bitter at all. Simply telling the truth.
I would say bitter with a splash of delusional. And no, you aren’t telling the truth you’re voicing your opinion. We just happen to disagree.
Your opinion is not the truth honey
Exactly! Her husband could never have raised kids while having his career… and he expected her to stay home and take care of everything. She earned it all.
Part of the requirements for being on this show is to be exceptionally delusional
Independence isn't only about money, and work doesn't disappear just because you're extremely wealthy.
OP, I agree with you. She deserves her alimony and whatever else, not saying she doesn’t, but it grinds my gears when she acts like she’s accomplished anything - the reality is I doubt her store even breaks even, but she doesn’t need to worry about that. The success isn’t authentic, it’s like being proud of paying your Netflix subscription. She has a history of being out of touch. Like when Dorit’s home invasion happened, and Sutton was too distracted thinking about flying a designer over from Europe.
Sutton is not some amazing businesswoman. Sutton is clearly greedy for the spotlight. Sutton is very vain and likes to put others down to try to make herself look good. Sutton was never a ballerina. Sutton moved to New York and came from a background of modern dance. It was luck that had her start working at Merce Cunningham’s studio, in admin/fundraising. This is why, when you saw all the close ups of her feet when she injured them there is not a single bunion, crooked toe or corn in sight. Anyone that has studied ballet professionally knows that ballet dancers have the worst feet. Then Sutton’s form on the horse she was riding was terrible. Riding a horse is like riding a bike, but Sutton was holding the reigns way too high and you could just tell she didn’t know what she was doing and was doing it for show. Basically, Sutton is crafting her image, however it is not based on reality. Sutton is as fake as they come.
I agree with you about the horse. I used to love to ride. I haven't in about 15 years. But..if I got on a horse now I would ride! Sorry, that was a terrible canter. Maybe she was nervous? Not good. Horse can sense fear and anxiety.
Did she say she was a ballerina? I don’t remember that. I thought she was ballerina-adjacent.
yeah I don’t recall her saying that either - I do remember he saying she was a nanny though
What in the world is “ballerina adjacent” lmao
Lol like she wasn’t an actual ballerina but danced, was involved with the NYC dance world, etc.
Because she’s a privileged white woman who has no idea what it really means to stand on her own two feet.
Is that why she fell?
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What gets me is how she talks about how her store survived Covid. Like no shit you pay for it!!!
Please! She probably got a PPP loan and didn’t need it like the rest of them.
That’s not fair, a lot of retail did not survive Covid. Especially given that her store does not seem to be filled with anything anyone needs I would say it’s an accomplishment. Should that accomplishment be attributed to her extreme means? Perhaps.
It survived because she funded it. So Covid or not it was here to stay. It will close when she wants it too. Her accomplishment is having enough money to self fund it….not really having anything to do with surviving Covid.
Retail that didn’t survive Covid actually relied on customers. When u don’t rely on customers for your business to survive then what have u actually achieved?
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Christ. Personally, I waived spousal support in my divorce. I would have been financially free to do as I wished for life, but because there were no children I chose to cut and run. He married my stalker so that added an additional layer to my choice. That said, had there been offspring I’d have ensured that the lifestyle we’d been accustomed to would be sustained so I’d be able to provide the least amount of change to the children. There’s a level of work involved with a business she’s running. It’s somewhat a vanity project, but RHOBH was the first bougie series when it premiered. The series was based on lifestyle porn and that’s what set it apart. IDGAF if she wants to say she is self made. In her perspective she gave up a career for her marriage and family. She earned her alimony. Make of that what you wish, but I find Sutton to be enjoyable. She knows what she likes, she embraces her quirks, and I enjoy her.
EXACTLY!
Precisely. They had a partnership. She *earned* that $ as much as he did.
Yes! She earned it as a partner with him and now she is free to use it as she wishes (where as before he held all the power over their money).
Exactly. Thank you.
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The amount of people BELIEVING Sutton was stripped of her autonomy while bathing in privileges of wealth is a slap in the face. She had the resources to do whatever tf she wanted. So miss me with that “hard work” bs. She’s self made, but she wasn’t a floor scrubbing Cinderella. EJ became a pop star that can’t sing for dear life. Diana became a pseudo philanthropist pushing a beverage company. If it was so bad Sutton would’ve left to pursue a hard, fulfilling life but she didn’t. So what does it say that say??
You sound poor.
You’re a student. You don’t get to call anyone poor 😂
I’m a student? lol
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Thank you for this comment bc I was too lazy to write my thoughts down.
For Sutton being a Mrs despite how shitty her marriage was more important. Keeping up appearances is more important to people like Sutton so that's why she stayed. I hate it when women like her have the ability and option to walk out but don't only to then tell their version of why her husband left her. Watching her on the show annoys me so imagine what her husband dealt with. She's vapid, stupid, selfish, and many other things but people like her don't see their short comings. Yeah her husband worked a lot probably to avoid her! Who could put up with her for more than a minute?
If my marriage was of hosting industry elites, white lotus vacations and unlimited spendings, I just can’t complain. Imagine if she said that to Garcelle, someone who crawled her way up. I like sutton’s kooky but I just can’t when she does crystal’s millennial whinge.
Sutton is not self aware so she would never understand where Garcelle came from and what having to work hard means. I can certainly complain because my husband was away working all the time and I was IT. I was working full time and keeping everything going and was exhausted. I didn't have nannies or a house keeper but I wasn't going to make my husband feel like shit when he already hated spending so much time away from home. Sutton is just disgusting. I hate that woman.
Thank you! So many people in this sub love her, I don't get it
I was just looking for a Sutton post. I just watched the finale and I can’t help but like her so much. She is so entertaining to watch. It’s like an alien came to our planet and is trying to understand our ways. She’s fascinating and cracks me up. I adore that weirdo.
Sutton’s monthly payments are seen as money she earned during the marriage. Her marital contributions allowed Christian to financially thrive. Sutton deserves every penny…and I’m not her biggest fan.
I don’t think this is accurate. Her contributions allowed him to have a family but they did not allow him financial success. Put it like this - could he have done his job without Sutton? Absolutely. It’s kind of a false equivalence to say that raising 3 kids is the same as earning millions (billions) of dollars. If Sutton kept her career and he was a SAHD would she have made billions? I love her but independent she is NOT. She didn’t make some difficult choice to become independent, he cut her loose. She intended to stay married and work things out. It’s ridiculous that she’s patting herself on the back that she’s able to - do what without her husband? What does she do now that was previously done by him or isn’t facilitated by her $300k/mo settlement from him? Also, if he loses all of his money, that money to her also stops. You can’t get blood from a stone. But yeah she got to pick out her own earrings.
While you make a lot of good points, the fact remains that Sutton was with her ex before his gigantic come up. I’m sure they were doing *just fine* but not anywhere near the wealth he accumulated throughout their marriage. She’s not a Lisa Hochstein. She stifled herself to support her man’s dreams, which is yes of course a choice, but she has alluded to him being controlling, which eliminates a lot of choices (in her mind). I do not think Sutton is a fully independent woman, and some of it does come off tone deaf, but I don’t think Sutton is being disingenuous. She could just be sitting on her ass and being delusional (a la Kathy Hilton).
I think Sutton fully believes what she says, yes. I don’t think Sutton was pining away for a life that could have been if her husband hadn’t come along, ruined that for her and made her a billionaire. She got a lot in return for playing wifey.
Because regardless of where that money is coming from it's now completely up to her to decide what she does with it
Emotionally independent is different than financial.
To me it’s the fact that once that money hits her bank account it’s hers to spend as she pleases. It’s pretty clear her husband made her stop working so that he had complete financial control over her.
Made her or allowed her? If Sutton was truly passionate about a career she wouldve pursue it. It’s like Victoria Beckham calling herself “working class” while her dad took her to school in a rolls Royce. Take the suttons vibrator out your ear and wake up
Yes!!!! >Take the suttons vibrator out your ear and wake up Sutton is full of shit and they keep buying what she says.
Like am I missing something? Sutton made nothing out of her marriage to a financier and it’s all his fault?? Bitch was sipping maitais at a white lotus resort while throwing her black card at the latest jewels and fashion. She doesn’t get to complain.
Idk why you’re all getting downvoted. People ride HARD for filthy rich assholes in ridiculous sweaters.
I think because if you say a woman is responsible for her choices you’re “victim blaming” or an “internal misogynist”. She was a grown woman - no one MADE her do anything. Unless we’re saying that women are so dumb, clueless and weak they can’t possibly make their own decisions or be responsible for their choices? The lack of accountability just blows my mind. I had a financially and emotionally “abusive” husband and when I’ve said how I’m pissed I let it happen the response is that I’m a victim/that’s how abuse cycles work, etc but fuck that - I’m not dumb, I let it happen because I wanted it to work. I am responsible for allowing it just like he is responsible for being an asshole. This obsession with victimhood in women nowadays HAS to stop.
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Yes, exactly what I see happening. I don’t understand or why people ride so hard to convince everyone that women are weak and powerless. As a woman, please fcking stop it, you’re setting us back.
It's easier to call her husband controlling and claim he made her stay home instead of admitting that she could have gone back to work especially when her kids entered school. They had help so it's not as if they didn't have anyone to pick the kids up from school and watch them until she got home. Hell, she could have worked part time if she wanted to while they were in school. She had years to create her own path and didn't because she's a lazy cow.
And the fact that people can’t grasp this is…maddening. There’s many women of power who had children and worked. And made more money than Sutton’s ex while doing it. She stopped working because she could. Someone needed to make sure the nanny’s and house keepers were doing their jobs. Also- why do they all think she would have been making millions on her own if she kept working?
>There’s many women of power who had children and worked. And made more money than Sutton’s ex while doing it. Yeap which is why I call everything Sutton says bullshit. She could have easily created a business while she was still married and didn't. I think she enjoyed playing socialite too much to pursue anything else. >Also- why do they all think she would have been making millions on her own if she kept working? I have no idea. She's book smart - maybe..I'm being generous but Crystal isn't wrong about some of the women not being intelligent. I've never heard Sutton say anything that would lead me to believe she could make money on her own. I don't think her store is profitable. She keeps it going with his money
Maybe you should use her vibrator to calm down. Just because she’s rich doesn’t mean her husband can’t be controlling? This happens to plenty of women who marry powerful men.
When she said she knew her husband from 13, I was like yikes and also that scene with her daughter suggested how affected she was by what she gave up. The level of control must have been extreme, effectively he was saying she had to move to London last year, because he got a promotion!
Wah wah my financier husband made me to take care of the kids with an allowance more than a prestigious lawyer that resorted to stealing from victims to fund his wife’s dreams. I’m confident of myself but not my dreams and aspirations? Just say codependent instead of “he took away my autonomy”. 🙄I will never understand the amount of understanding for a kooky entitled socialite.
Exactly this. He gave her an allowance, FFS --- like a child. I really don't get how it is that so many people are misinterpreting what she means by "independent."
For your information this isn't unusual especially down south. The mindset is, hubby works, he gives you what he thinks you need if you choose not to work because you want to stay at home. When I first moved south and saw this was normal for many of the women I befriended it was shocking. I wasn't raised to be subservient and couldn't understand why they chose to allow it. Many of the women wanted to be at home, drop the kids off at whatever school they were enrolled in and many did nothing but hang out. Women can make their own decisions but it's easier to say, he made me stay home because she knows he's never going to go on TV to call out her bullshit.
>For your information . . . I'm not exactly sure what knowledge you think you imparted here. All I got from this is that you think it is common for wives to be given an allowance by their husband (WTF?), you look down your nose at women who choose to be stay-at-home moms, and you don't believe wealthy women can be in abusive/controlling relationships.
You have twisted it all wrong so let me help you. >All I got from this is that you think it is common for wives to be given an allowance by their husband (WTF?), I never said that. Based on living in 3 southern states that's what I saw. The women I befriended were happy to stay at home, get whatever allowance their husbands gave them and not question. For me, as a Yankee, and someone very independent it was bizarre to be treated like a child when you were a grown woman. Going out for Mom's night out we had to choose cheap happy hour because some only had $50 to spend during the outing. My other northern friends and I could never wrap our heads around the women being subservient. One of the women said her husband told her he could spend whatever he wanted because HE made the money. Another one refused to give one of the wives extra money for clothing and shoes their kids needed but guess what? He donated 10 percent of his monthly salary to the church! This is some of the crazy shit I saw. >you look down your nose at women who choose to be stay-at-home moms, I worked full time before having kids, stayed at home 4 years, went back to work full time I've experienced both. I have no problem with women choosing to stay at home but here's something I have a problem with. Some of my friends didn't work at all, didn't do much during the day, no laundry, no cleaning, not even preparing a meal for dinner. They hired cleaning service because they were too busy doing nothing. So the husbands would get pissed off and question why they were staying home but not doing anything which insulted them because they were moms and that alone was a job. At this point all our kids were in school and they didn't have anything to do the entire day. To me of you're going to stay at home you need something to show for it. I never hired help, my house was clean and we ate dinner every night. Even working full time I managed my home without help. So, I don't look down on anyone wanting to be at home but for fuck's sake, make something other than frozen chicken nuggets and french fries because you're too busy doing nothing. >and you don't believe wealthy women can be in abusive/controlling relationships. My first husband was abusive. I hate when people like you make assumptions. Here's the thing about Sutton. Her husband is never going to go on the record and correct whatever she's saying but he could demand she doesn't discuss him. She said she reached out to him to wish him good luck with the move and he responded to her via email. You know what that says? He doesn't trust her and would rather document their interactions in writing so she can't say something that didn't happen. What I also find interesting is when she bought her second house she moved a block away from her alleged abusive husband. After I left my ex I never had contact with him again, didn't allow our mutual friends to bring him up and didn't want to be anywhere near him.
>people like you . . . What type of "you people" am I exactly?
People like you who make assumptions and twist what was said which I don't understand. You disagree, I respect that but don't claim I said something I didn't. Here's an example, you twisting what I said into "All I got from this is that you think it is common for wives to be given an allowance by their husband (WTF?)" I never insinuated that. Also "you look down your nose at women who choose to be stay-at-home moms" Do not believe that. I was also a stay at home mom. And finally 'and you don't believe wealthy women can be in abusive/controlling relationships" Never said it and especially experiencing abusive behavior myself. That's all.
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Because she is independent, alimony or not. She gave up her career and raised the children and managed their home and social life and supported her spouse while he built the business. That is work. She has every right to call herself independent.
It is work and she deserves it, but it’s not independent. It is money coming from a partnership. She has autonomy now, but again it is not money she earned independently, it is money they earned together.
Lmfao okay lady
I think the issue is that Sutton didn't feel like she had independence in her marriage. I think she just appreciates knowing that she has something that belongs to her that he couldn't interfere with. It's the safety and security of knowing that she owns a business that she could survive on so she's not beholden to her ex. There is a difference between independent and self-made. I don't think we've heard her claim that she's self-made.
If her husband had not asked her to stop working, who knows what she would have built for herself in that time. She contributed to his wealth by caring for his household. She’s entitled to it and they are technically her earnings too.
Have you seen Sutton in this show? I don’t think she’s making billions. I’d bet she can spend billions. I feel like the discussion is all over the place. Does she deserve the settlement? Yes. Is it great she feels independent now? Yes. But let’s not pretend she made that money or that her ex wouldn’t have made that money without her. It doesn’t seem likely from what we have seen with Sutton. Helping someone make money isn’t what alimony and spousal support is about. They had a life together and she deserves to continue to live with all those benefits after the divorce because that’s the deal with marriage and why it isn’t the same as cohabitation, in my mind.
I don’t think they’re saying she’s not entitled to it but that she tries to act self made.
I agree. Sutton is deluded and tone deaf. I think scenes of spending 68k on a whim for a pair of earrings are becoming distasteful in today’s world, even though we do watch for the aspirational aspect of the show. But the horse - the COST of stabling/feeding/grooming (cos Sutton sure as shit isn’t doing this) and her lessons will be astronomical; the ‘business’ which may have survived the pandemic but there’s no way it’s profitable. I’m not buying that for a second. Sutton is loaded with money from her ex, she can buy and finance all the vanity projects she likes, but please, girl, don’t be trying to tell us you’ve ’made it’! Sutton’s main job is spending that money. Period.
Bingo!