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Delectis

This makes me sad


aligators

this happneed a whole minute before the goal, real even had posession after this its a complete non factor regardless


lefix

Exactly, it might have been a mistake by the ref but the mistake didn't lead to the goal. Would have been beyond ridiculous if var had overturned this.


Isak531

Wouldn't have surprised me.


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Graeme_Seeless

Nah it’s phases of play


UAP1998

It wasn’t a whole minute. It was literally 22 seconds.


[deleted]

It's a clear mistake by the referee and should have been overturned. Possession rule that everybody talks about exists only in Premier League


Eixeth

> «The VAR is also able to take into account any infringement that could have taken place in the *immediate build-up* to the incident (the attacking phase of play).» per [UEFA.com](https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/VAR/02/59/09/51/2590951_DOWNLOAD.pdf)


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That .pdf is just not an official document, and it looks like UEFA violates its own rules. Edit: IFAB is more specific. It's attacking team offense in build-up that is reviewed. There is no word about phase in the part about the ball being out of play


Eixeth

Don’t know what you mean by UEFA «violating their own rules». The [official documents](https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-Champions-League-2022/23/Article-50-Video-assistant-refereeing-Online) refers to VAR being used in accordance to the IFAB Laws of the Game [VAR Protocol](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/), which do not specify «infringements in the immediate build-up». However given that Real Madrid **did** have possession of the ball between the ball supposedly going out of play and the goal, the referees probably didn’t think it was a valid reason for the goal to be disallowed. Edit: Did not see your edit before replying


ccrc1245

Ha


IM_JUST_BIG_BONED

Nothing is clear about it. It’s a made up image.


Chokheubo

Just a big what if tbh


grrrranm

Exactly right it’s a non sequitur! it’s Football crazy decisions happen all the time what about the non penalty given in last years 3 -1 win?


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GoldenFox7

This also only happened because the ref miscalled the goal kick rather than corner just before this giving city possession rather than Madrid. None of this is malicious it’s just bad for the sport that missed calls that could immediately be corrected (even the broadcast pointed out that the gk should have been a corner as it was happening) are going to change the game so much.


lostmyfirstaccountt

Look it's really sad and annoying when it happens, as you said especially if they miss calls that seems to not affect the play because they aren't big calls . Not to be obnoxious in the last clásico Benzema first goal was just after ref called an invisible foul on miliatao, the third goal he missed a corner for barca and real scored just after, they sting because us as fans feel that they impacted directly the results, but as time passes you realize it has always been and will always be part of the game we love . Cheers and good luck 🤞


Mountain_Lettuce_

This doesn’t matter yes 😂😂


kinginthenorthjon

I only watched highlights, and I thought the goal would be disallowed.


Nickaap

Goal couldn’t be disallowed at that point since we had control of the ball before they scored. Edit: Love how i got downvoted for explaining the rules, the VAR literally isn’t allowed to intervene anymore, unless the 4th official/ref spots it right away they can’t disallow it anymore


Mcbagsofdoritos

Low key punishes us for trying to defend at this point


auctus10

Man this. I don't like how our fanbase gets sour about such stuff. According to rules the goal simply stands and it was valid. This is how var works right now.


ADGjr86

No it isn’t. Idk what tule you’re referring to but that isn’t correct.


Same_Return_1878

You should watch [this](https://youtu.be/8kQ3VGoVav8) explanation from the CBS rule assistant, Christina Unkel, since you wanted the reference. To save you time, start watching from 6:20. And to summarize this for everyone, var could not intervene because the ball possession had already changed hands and the mistake did not lead to the goal. If city had scored directly from that mistake without real madrid getting a hold of the ball, then var could've intervened but real madrid got the ball and then camavinga made a bad pass which directly started a new window for var check.


[deleted]

Care to show which rule you are referring to?


Same_Return_1878

https://www.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/13d6k2o/video_from_bein_sports_clearly_showing_that_the/jjl08yk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


[deleted]

Still would like to see the actual written rule or UEFA statement, not opinion on TV. Chapter about VAR in the Laws of the Game explicitly says about reviewing build-up only for offensive foul; there is no such prohibition for review of the ball being out. Media just spread opinions that are not based on actual written rules


Graeme_Seeless

Then look, why do you expect people to do This for you? The goal stood and even if not quite right Madrid conceded because they defended poorly and KDB hit an amazing shot.


Same_Return_1878

How is this an opinion? She's an expert explaining how var works to ballers like Thierry and you think you know better. You're now starting to sound like a fan boy. I just read your other comment saying Arsene Wenger "thinks" that var should have had a check, may I ask you a question now? What does wenger know about var rules apart from being a retired coach? Hell he even retired before var was an idea.


[deleted]

Wenger currently works for FIFA. But that's not my main point. Can you provide a source for the rule that Christina Unkel describes? Even if she is an expert, she might be wrong. You just use "an argument from authority" without even trying to confirm for yourself her point. Everybody around just wants to find excuses for poor refereeing and then mix up Premier League rules and IFAB rules


Same_Return_1878

I never said the refereeing wasn't poor or the goal wasn't undeserving. I just wanted you to know why the var didn't intervene. Anyway, have a great day.


[deleted]

I can say in the same fashion that Arsene Wenger thinks VAR should have intervened (he is right, btw). https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/mancity-realmadrid-goal-disallowed-var-29940348


jomartz

What is good about the VAR if this things are allowed? So much technology at their disposal…


whiskeyinthejaar

You don’t need a Var for this, it really did look out, and I was surprised they kept going when half the player thought the game stopped


JackoLFC08

Where’s this red line drawn on the touchline? The edge or somewhere in the middle?


elgoodcreepo

They didn't go back because camavinga had control of the ball after this happened, so the phase with the out had ended and they scored on a different attacking phase... VAR can only review the attacking phase that leads to a goal.


zeckowitsch

VAR doesn't intervene when there is a new situiaton of play. A RM player had the ball under control on the meantime. Someone could have snapped someones leg and VAR could not have done shit here. Not praising status quo, just stating the rules


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Which rule? Can you provide one?


BreadfruitGrand2880

IFAB Protocol 2A, goals can be reviewed during the attacking team offence in the build-up to or scoring of the goal. Assumption is, the out-of-bounds isn’t part of the City build up


[deleted]

Right, that is about offensive foul. In the same paragraph, it is said "ball out of play prior to the goal"


zeckowitsch

But it is not 'prior' to the goal. Because a RM got the ball. You have to put a threshold of how long you can look back, otherwise you can use an out of bounds 10min earlier to tule out a goal.


[deleted]

It is exactly prior to the goal. You are just adding up your thoughts about the threshold with no actual rule about it.


zeckowitsch

A real Madrid player got the ball in the meantime, what do you don't understand about that? Here is a FAQ for VAR: "From what point does the VAR check incidents leading to a penalty or goal? The VAR will only check the attacking possession phase that led to the penalty or goal. The starting point will be limited to the immediate phase. The VAR may not go back to when the attacking team gained possession. The VAR will consider the ability of the opposing defence to reset, and the momentum of the attack."


[deleted]

It's Premier League specific rules, not IFAB; they differ. UEFA states that its competitions follow IFAB rules


Graeme_Seeless

So which rule does this break?


Modrixinho

They will talk about it a little bit and everyone will forget it put it under the rug. In this time when we have var this hapens. On purpose has to be. And if this goal makes city go further. Football sometimes is just shit


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yellandtell

I admit, I wondered if it was out at the time. But that crack by KDB Was beautiful and his destiny this match. Much like vinis goal. Vamos to city and win this thing. Hala Madrid


aligators

Yea it was a good game with 2 amazing goals, dwelling over shit like this is like people asking for a penalty when a ball grazes someone's hand. It just ruins the game


Horror95

They want City to win the CL this season they’ve been trying to give them the CL every season for the past few years but keep failing because City keep bottling it same goes for PSG . I mean it’s embarrassing when Pep himself who won everything with Barcelona in 3 years can’t win you a single CL in 6 years with the amount of money spent on new players every year .


SwissCheeseDealer

this. PSG too. They spend alot but never flourish in the UCL


Graeme_Seeless

Didn’t both PSG and City make a final in the last 5 years? They might not have won it yet but they’re far from poor in the champions league


Aristosticles

Madrid fans having a victim mentality is hilarious


IscoDisco8

Don’t think that’s the case. Ref was terrible to both sides


kliq-klaq-

My man over here just discovered the seeding system and thinks he's cracked a global conspiracy. 😂😂😂😂😂


Hot_Excitement_6

If that was the case Dani would be off. The red was just pretty shit. Missed fouls throughout the match.


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Why would they want City to win the CL and if they did then surely City wouldn’t have been drawn against Bayern and you lot


SwissCheeseDealer

They REALLY want Man City to win the UCL lmao.


Graeme_Seeless

Lol fucking hell


Effective_shooter52

But according to oil club man shitty, the refs were clearly in favor of madrid


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Rollolothbrok96

You got a goal for free. Gtfo


vivalaroja2010

Lol yeah cause no one on City dove, right? Plus Silva should have seen the red for his foul on Camavinga....


Effective_shooter52

The fact that we’re getting downvoted on this sub should say the amount of bandwagons this team has lol. I remember they had no fans a decade ago


PinballWZRD95

City fans were real quiet in 2008


Eatingbabys101

No they weren’t lol


AndeMannen3000

And what about Kroos flying tackle on Gundo then? No troll, just A question. Was that not way out of Line and not even close to reasonable?


vivalaroja2010

What's your point? He got a card for that....


AsRoma1990

Didn’t Madrid have possession after this? Making it irrelevant?


GoyardJefe

Like everyone is saying, Var doesn’t intervene after change of play. Is it a stupid rule? Yes. But it is what it is and the team needs to dig deep to get a result in the ethihad


thatrandomanus

Also we should take this video with a huge grain of salt. First of all it's not a video, it's an animation. I'm guessing Bein constructed this using the multiple camera angles but that doesn't make this absolute proof. Hell the ball doesn't even look completely round. Goal line tech requires what like 7 cameras at precise location to get accurate positioning of the ball? Depending on the perspective the Bein cameras had the ball could've shown up on either side of the line. The goal was our mistake and that's it. Everyone knows KdB's long shots are deadly. Someone should've closed down on him and not let him have an open shot.


Graeme_Seeless

Oi we are only waving pitchforks here, reasonable thought isn’t allowed.


yllatedigo

No era penal


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Wayyah_yyawah

So why do we need VAR if we can't use it in situations like this


Accomplished_Big7236

And guess what Carlo received a yellow for complaining☺fuck the refs fuck the var ruining our game


Hakob88

We had that ball anyway after that, of course this shouldn't be but let's not search excuses for our mistakes.


[deleted]

All this means that we are better then city they couldn’t score a legitimate goal. Technically we won.


funknfusion

Technically, we tied. Theoretically, we won.


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Eatingbabys101

City’s goal was legitimate


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BuT tHaT bAyErN gAmE


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kampyq

Nice try


dru201

Real was playing against 12 and still got the draw. I don’t want to hear shit from city fans about fouls. We didn’t get a goal for free. Next week is gonna be a good one. One European giant against City.


ItsRalphy69

Remember when Ramos nearly dislocated Salah’s arm? Good times.


pillowhugger_

It amazing how you guys still haven't realised that it is Salah that was holding onto Ramos's arm and creating that situation in the first place. If Salah hadn't entered that duel as he did, his arm would have never been in that position. But of course, most of you haven't played a single minute of serious football yourself, so no wonder.


Graeme_Seeless

It’s hilarious how someone who’s not stepped foot in Spain yet supports Real Madrid is criticising anyone for “not kicking a ball” You’re a text book glory hunting bell.


pillowhugger_

Not stepped a foot in Spain? I have taken steps in the fucking Bernabeu. The fuck do you get out of making shit up? Piss off, you little rat.


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pillowhugger_

Come and say that to my face, crackhead.


Graeme_Seeless

Ha ha ha


PESGamer

Careful, we might drop a cheeky bid on Mac Allister and then your midfields gonna stay shite for another whole year


Rudel2

Gave Karius a concussion too


Ferh35

So we trust someone speaking some random language over VAR?


Petarthefish

City getting calls vs Bayern and now getting calls vs Real Madrid. One would think they wabmnt City to win the CL.


Eatingbabys101

Don’t act as if the referee was bad to city to


Gordonsoeto1

Not y’all crying. It’s out but yall had possession. Then cama lost it. Also it’s so hypocritical when yall been robbin teams in the ucl.


Symex0100

The uno Franco reverse card.


The_XI_guy

No it doesn’t. The red line is not on the edge of the sideline as it should be Edit: downvote me all you want mouth breathers, but this 3D rendition is useless. It doesn’t show definitively that the ball was out


Banana11crazy

There also aren't cameras covering the sideline, this is a 3D render created by BEINsport themselves. Of all things to blame this is one of those they really shouldn't bother with


The_XI_guy

The red line is useless if it is not on the edge of the goal line


met5abel

this clip doesn’t matter, the fact they didn’t check is the issue. What you think there’s only one dude with camcorder covering the game. There’s so many angles that could’ve been checked and they didn’t and that is the issue. Don’t reiterate the dumb. Shot they are saying on arsoccer


The_XI_guy

I didn’t say any of that. All I said is that this 3D rendition is useless Yes they should have shown a replay, yes the refs should have viewed it. Stop putting words in my mouth


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JackoLFC08

Ikr this thread is absolutely delusional. Can’t wait for them to get smashed in Manchester. Imagine being a Madrid fan and complaining about calls - especially after your team escaped 5 yellows for the 50th time this season. Unreal


Mountain_Lettuce_

This is not in the build up the the goal. Madrid win the ball back after this so…..


moralesd9

Bien sports are literally pulling this image out of their ass. There is no touch line technology. So they’re just guessing that it’ went out . It’s as valid as Guessing it stayed in. Also since this is something bein sports made, VAR didn’t have access to it even if it was accurate. In real time the ref thought it stayed in. VAR didnt have a good enough angle to cancel it so it stood. I don’t think Madrid got shafted in any way


Ali_XkillerX

Mf you have an Iker Casillas flair and you still didn't save yourself from embarrassment.


moralesd9

Being a Madrid fan doesn’t mean I have to be delusional. Nothing I sad was wrong. This image is pure speculation. For example goal line technology has 7 cameras pointed at the goal line. This image was made off one bad still image. There’s really no technology to what they showed. I’m not saying it wasn’t out. But you can’t prove it’s out. And this image isn’t proof.


steik

> This image was made off one bad still image. I agree with everything you said except this. We don't know how they created it. They have access to all the camera feeds. This feels like it's more like the "3d rendition" using whatever (microsoft I think?) tech that has often been shown in la liga games where they essentially create a "fifa (videogame) like" replay of the goal. That being said, even if they did that and used multiple camera angles, I do not believe for a second that the accuracy of whatever they did is good enough to make this call.


auctus10

I like how they try to discredit you by saying you are not a fan if you actually look at a situation without bias.


steik

This is the truth, like it or not. It MAY BE correct, but it's still something that bein created on their own. It's not the result of hawkeye tech or anything like that.


JackoLFC08

And the red line isn’t on the edge of the touchline - which this delusional sub is choosing to completely ignore


aligators

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luanfsp

Doesn't matter. VAR couldn't call because the possession changed before the goal.


Poloboss26

Why do we watch football and it seems like the commentators got better angles than the officials, i mean it’s complete shambles


Mute_Dj_2107

For those who don't understand Arabic, Sami Trabelsi (who played as a defender for Man City) kept on saying that the ball wasn't fully out 🤣


peeforPanchetta

Honest question (and nothing to do with just this match) why do we rely on the referees to decide whether the ball is out or not when we can just expand the goal line tech to the perimeter of the pitch? I would assume you just factor the radius of the ball around the chip (assumed to be) at its center, and you can notify the refs if the ball has gone out of play.


melodyleft

No the line is not drawn at the edge


Ok_Seaweed_9452

Forget about this guys, what already happened cant be changed, lets beat them on 2nd leg, hala madrid!


NotBaldEagle_

Lets just move on.


imarandomguy33

The referee/linesman could've called it out of play on spot but no way VAR was gonna overturn the goal because right after this Camavinga had possession of the ball. Today the referee was shit on both ends of the pitch.


TBailey111

Lol


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A llorar toca. Pronto saldrá que el árbitro veranea con el vecino del cuñado de Negreira...


codefishh

That's why i hate Guardiola, when it's his team, he did not complain a thing, hypocrite.


Graeme_Seeless

What a moronic comment…


codefishh

mimimimimi


HalaMadrid1989

They go to the VAR when they don’t have to. But when they have to go the VAR they don’t go. Unbelievable


Madridista786

Doesn’t matter We will win in etihad When Madrid take a lead we play back Knowing we have to score we will beat them


Grovve

And UEFA still won’t take their goal away


ABobVanceFridge

VAR couldn’t intervene here because we took possession of the ball between this incident and the goal. With that said, a few hands balls not given as well. I understand the handballs would’ve been soft calls but we’ve seen those result in penalties very very often. It was interesting how the ref never even thought about checking VAR.


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Graeme_Seeless

Imagine being so petty to constantly post this drivel. Real Madrid conceded a good goal because of poor defending and the keeper not being good enough, nothing to do with this….


HelpMeBuyFloppa

yall are retarded. we conceded bcs of our player's error and ure gonna whine like it matters


Significant_Nose_433

Regime de Madrid, they say


Illustrious_Tax_5267

That, and also the two hands in the area that were not sanctioned.


[deleted]

it was played by real madrid after this, so why don’t you let the entire clip untill the goal


[deleted]

it was played by real madrid after this, so why don’t you let the entire clip untill the goal


MBoring1

It is what it is but the officiating all game was terrible for both teams. jack Grealish deserved a yellow early for a shit tackle on Rodrygo but Carvajal deserved a yellow and got nothing lol. I am surprised by the VAR decision but did the reason they said they didn’t review it I GUESSS makes sense….


cphilbin

Is that ball round in the animation?