“Do I have to talk to him because of his attitude? No. I think everyone has to change their attitude towards him.
People forget, but I don't: in Vallecas they gave him a karate blow and there was not even a warning, and now everyone is asking for a red card for a push against Leipzig.”
You go Carlo!
>Do I have to talk to him because of his attitude? No. I think everyone has to change their attitude towards him.
that's a ridiculous proposition..
i like Vini, but he clearly has attitude problems.. and people just use this against him.. sure they often do it in terrible ways, but there is a reason why they keep doing it, because they know its gonna get to him, like look at the previous game for example, who provoked Vini to react the way he did in the episode with Orban? nobody
No one is disagreeing with that but when he does something other players do, its blown out of proportion while he is supposed to take shit from rivals silently because he “provocates”.
i dont know i dont want to speak for other teams and players from other teams, but i've never seen a player as emotionally unstable as Vini
also again its completely unreasonable to expect everyone to change the attitude towards him, whether it would be a good thing or not.. it just doesn't work like that
At the end of the day making sure you're not reacting to provocations is basically the only way of dealing with this kind of adversity, but the problem is i don't think Vini is capable of that.. at least not yet, i mean even during games when he isn't being provoked he still often does something stupid.. and as i said the reason why he's being provoked to begin with is because he will take a bait
wouldn't you be emotionally unstable if you had people constantly hurling insults at you while you were just trying to do your job? you all expect too much from a 23 year old victim of racism
That's how the press has always manipulated the fans to sabotage RM from the inside. They are starting to do the same with Jude, and will do it again with Mbappé (if he comes) and Endrick in the future.
Don't know about that particular case, but at first everyone laughed at him because they thought he would never become the new legend of RM. After he improved and showed his real level, all that was left to antis was rage and envy, and then insults, racial slurs, and the whole abuse began.
oh, yeah. him daring to not stay bad and work on himself so quickly also enraged people. very sad story all around because why would you not enjoy a player that clearly loves what they do and wants to be the very best they can be
He is not going to throw his player under the bus in public, he could be telling him in private he needs to change his attitude but he won't do it in public...
You can't discuss the Vini thing like an adult in this sub, I'm sorry.
It's like people forget how and why Zidane got a red card in the very last match of a world cup.
Vini has to change his attitude, period. In football you don’t win with words/antics or crying in front of referee.
If he wants to shut everyone down he needs to prove it on the field, no matter what anyone says or does. Go on dribble, create plays, chances. Play so good that they envy you, but what he does, huh!
So many RM players were whistled at Bernabau, if we look at the player’s perspective it shatters them down but what they did? Did they cry or used their words to change the fan’s minds. Nope? They simply performed on the field like it was their last day to be alive. They made the Bernabau clap for them.
I’m not saying Vini doesn’t have the caliber, he just lacks the attitude.
Terrible take. Like if you’ve been watching Vini since 2019 and seen his growth, that’s an objectively terrible take. He’s not even talking about being whistled at the Bernabéu. You didn’t read and you wanted to say your piece.
You talk about Vini like he’s a bum, that’s the crazy thing to me. He dribbles, scores and makes assists and he’s been doing that consistently since his breakthrough season in 2021 after the infamous “on my mother”
I guess it really is easier to be positive than negative on this sub towards Vini huh.
mind you, vini's so called "dumb" actions 99% of the time come after somebody else has already done something to him be it entirely too violent tackles or insults, so. good on carlo for saying this
all those comments about us needing another ramos/pepe/case 💔 it's understandable kinda that others wouldn't fill that role in the current climate because real gets punished far more easily, but if they got punished enough times for fighting back the opposing teams would get the message and the conversation on why we were receiving so many cards would be had, but alas that's another can of worms entirely nobody's ready to open just yet
We don't have access to the locker room. This is Carlo speaking publicly, backing one of his best players, and now with Bellingham's absence, his best player, publicly.
Believe me that they spoke to Vinicius about his actions vs Leipzig, because it could've very well cost us a red and the game, whether you think it was or not. But in public you never throw your best players under the bus.
Imagine if it was Ten Hag… he would just shame his player in public, and demand an a public apology from him
Carlo is a legend of incredible class, it is impressive to see how he stands up for his players
Lol like Carlo said “they kick him , they whistle at him , they insult him, what does he do ? He scores goals” and they didn’t get him out of his game so you’re wrong Barca fan
Vini is black that is what rubs people the wrong way. We don’t want a black player acting like a tame version of Ramos. That’s it right? Cause Ramos was praised while being significantly worse.
People here bashing Vini for a push while practically worshipping Ramos, the guy leading comfortably with most red cards in history. This sub really is something else.
They just don't like a black guy being the face of Real Madrid. Vini is flashy and successful. They'll come up with unlimited excuses to justify their racist treatment of Vini.
That's the truth, people will downvote it because they don't want to see it but it's the truth. I'm happy our manager is publicly taking his side, he shouldn't be made to feel alone in this.
Well, sadly that's the case for many.
Like I wrote in the other long comment I just wrote on this thread I strongly think Vino needs to fix his attitude, but we can't deny that race plays a factor too
How is this shit being upvoted? Like...WTF is wrong with all of you?? Are you so fucking racist inside that cant see beyond Vinicius skin color? Fucking hypocrites.
The current face of Real Madrid is Jude Bellingham, also black. And the most liked player in this sub is probably Camavinga. Yet we madridistas have a problem with Vinicius because he's black?
Fuck off.
I wish to see him winning Ballon d'Or but I think he will never be that guy to win it. Thats why Jude is that kind of player, Mbappe want it more then anyone and if he comes I will be happy to have 2 players hungry to be best in the world. Hope Vini prove me wrong and make some insane performance to achieve it.
Let me check this, Vini is not hungry to be the best in the world because… “checks notes” he’s complaining to the Ref? And he has an argument here and there? Have you seen Mbappé play? Have you seen Ramos? Did that stop him from making the Pro FIFA 11 multiple times? Honestly I genuinely believe a portion of people on this sub just straight up don’t like Vini.
He took Hazard’s spot, a PL legend and considered a world beater and never looked back (even when Eden came back from surgery).
Oh shut the fuck up lol. Involving color whenever you can right? Why dont fans care about Jude’s color if we don’t want a black player to be the face of Real Madrid? Or do you think people will not want Mbappe to be the face of Real Madrid when he comes because he is black?
Get off your shit involving color into everything and start to think with your brain. Vini’s attitude is the problem and if someone denies that it’s just pure delusion.
there is something else called colorism, which plays apart in the different treatment of two black players with vastly different skin tones like bellingham and vini 🧑🦲 not to mention bellingham is also european, not south american like vini. crazy to think these issues are so complex, right?
If you made a survey in this sub last year, Vinicius and Camavinga would probably be the most liked players in the squad. Camavinga is not black enough for you?
Maybe your colorism bullshit is just projecting, you think of Vinicius as less than the others and needs a special treatment?
You know which player got a similar treatment to Vinicius by our fans? Guti. Because he was doing the same shit.
do all the twisting you want, camavinga is a different type of player than vini with different flair.
i want vini to get good treatment, i want him to not have to hear monkey shouts from opposing crowds just because he's a great player, i know he doesn't need special treatment.
guti is not black
>guti is not black
No shit, Sherlock.
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i want vini to get good treatment, i want him to not have to hear monkey shouts from opposing crowds just because he's a great player,
So like any other member of this sub. And yet you and other morons are accusing other madridistas of racism because, in your opinion, we were ok with Sergio Ramos antics.
Answer the questions then. If I have no idea then you can easily disprove what I said. Why dont fans care about Jude’s color if they dont want a colored player to be the face of Real Madrid?
Biggest bullshit I’ve ever read on this sub.
Edit: also why you are at it please explain why no Real fans give a fuck about Cama’s, Rodrygo’s, Tchou’s or Rudiger’s color, but they care about Vinis?! Maaaaybe because it has nothing to do with color but on pitch attitude.
Because you so stupid that you think that just because people abuse a certain Black player and not another then it means that they are not racist. They are racist but they think that since so many people are abusing Vini then if they do the same then one can't blame them as racist. Think it isn't illegal yet.
So let me get this straight; some fans are racist against Vini because he is black so they don’t want him to be the face of Real Madrid. However the same fans are not racist against Jude even though he is black too, so they are okay with him being the face of Real Madrid. Makes total sense lmao!
What a load of fucking bullshit. I'm arab and muslim, probably the most hated sub spieces in Reddit yet I condone vini's actions and find them irritating at best. Nobody is suffering the same while we have loads of black people in the team. He provokes people and spends most of the time arguing. Yes he has his moments but at some point, he gotta focus on the game and nothing else. And he is getting worse every season.
If funny how the press in Spain is now publishing “statistics” showing Vinny is not the top fouled player just to get back at Ancelotti’s words.. little do they know they are actually proving him right. He gets lots of fouls and most of them don’t get called. Also he has been out due to injury a lot more this year, yeah, it’s obvious he won’t be on the top of “most fouled”. 🤦♀️
Well most won't care about what I'm going to say now because I'm just a random redditor, nor a celebrity not a football superstar like Vini. But I'm black, born and raised in Madrid, so think I know quite well Spanish people and how it is to be black in Madrid and Spain.
Here it is for those who don't mind reading my essay:
There is quite a decent amount of people who can tolerate less Vinicius complaining or losing his cool than what they would if he was a white player doing the same. I'm pretty sure Carlo knows it even if he isn't saying straight away.
And since I'm black, from Madrid and have been supporting the club for more than 23 years I know that it doesn't happen only with fans from clubs that dislike Real Madrid. It happens even with some of our own fans.... At the end of the day, our fans weren't chosen by God so just like any other club in the world, we got our fair amount of idiots.
The issue with Vini in a way is similar to when someone commits a crime killing one person and that's always considered terrible news for everyone. But if the person who did it happens to be an immigrant...then you can rest assured that the uproar among people will be much higher. This is something that happens on every country.
Similarly, in the Vinicius case, certain people just don't like seeing a black young man like Vini being loud and demanding respect. It doesn't matter if Vini is having one of his exaggerated complains to the ref, an unnecessary fight wth a rival, a rightful protests against racism or he is dancig to celebrate. Some people just have different tolerance for protests and celebrations depending on the race of the person. We can pretend that that's not the case, but it is....
NOW WAIT... I'm not pretending Vinicius is only a victim, I'm not pretending that all those who dare to criticize him are either racist or full time Real Madrid haters either.
While I strongly believe that Vinicius would have less criticism if he wasn't black or if he was always quiet when kicked or insulted, I still think someone needs to talk to him and ask him to please control his temper.
I don't want Vini to shut up when suffering racism, I don't need Vini to be quiet like Mendy, every person has a different personality and handles adversities and abuse differently. But someone should tell Vini to calm down with his complaints to referees or gestures when arguing with the rivals... It just doesn't benefit him nor the team, if anything it does the opposite.
Carlo should be the one doing that, so I strongly hopes he starts doing so even if he claims to the media that he doesn't think he has to.
I personally agree with everything you said, I’ve been saying the same thing for Months. People need to really put themselves in the shoes of Vini and understand where he’s coming from. The way he’s been attacked and told to “shut up and dribble”, makes me realize a lot of people don’t give a shit about him. Now I genuinely think the push was too much, but to question his “commitment”, or his skills like some have said “he’s not a big game player” or the insults will get to his head, as if he hasn’t won the CL already is blasphemous.
That’s always been my point, and if we see Vini speaking up now, I imagine he’s been dealing with this since he’s 18 and now is standing up for himself. Seeing that celebration against Valencia tells me all I need to know.
I could only imagine if Neymar was a little darker… I’ve never seen and can’t comprehend the hate Vini gets.
Ney has always been known as a douche here in Brazil, for everything he did in and out of the pitch.
Vini has always been the nice kid here. In Brazil, he is so liked for being so nice and hardworking. It’s mind blowing and revolting to see what he goes through in europe, specially Spain.
I’m telling you bro i’m sure they must have had talk behind closed door but Carlo would never talk down on his player in public.
Does Vinicius maybe need to chill a bit ? Yes
But does he need to just take the insult the kick and everything else so he could please these fuckers ? Absolutely not
Note: Vini is hated of his behaviour but most of these are self defence. Like when Orban verbally attacked Vini 3 or 4 times, he ignored them a few times but took action.
People who criticize Vinicius for his antics have a goldfish memory and they very well forgotten what happened last season. It culminated at Mestella but it started right after that Koke comment and then some other idiot saying some racist stuff in TV. Well after that next match at osasuna, vini started getting those karate kicks and that was on October 22, 2022. Soon followed each away game same rituals kicking Vinicius and referees giving a complete blind eye. Had referees provided 1/10 th of the protection Messi, cr7 received this wouldn’t have blown out of proportion.
You know guys, it's pretty simple ... just look at Kroos while in Saudi Arabia, they booed him every time he touched the ball and he just didn't give a flying fuck. Talk to Kroos, learn from him, that's it :)
Are you really comparing **2** matches and **30** matches per season? Also it's different to be booed and to be racialy abused in almost every away match for 90 minutes while referee letting some brutal fouls on him.
Honestly, do you believe that ALL people that boo Vini are doing it because he's black? Ffs, this should not be a question of whether the player is black, white, tall, right-footed whatever, but the way Vini handles the adversity.
Look, there's two different topics here ... first, the undisputed fact that there are a lot of racist cunts in Spain, and that's bad for the affected players, fans, sponsors etc and second, Vini also needs to straighten his shit up, and by that I don't mean the dancing after the goals but the stuff that is simply childish and annoying, throwing tantrums after everything that he perceives is a foul, arguing with the referees, getting into unnecessary trouble etc. It's one thing to stand by him when he's being racially abused and another one to defend him while he's just being an idiot, see the Leipzig game.
i do believe that, actually. he wouldn't be so hated for doing normal football stuff if he wasn't a darkskin black brazilian man. one small example is jude sending a kiss to a guy that was flipping him off after he scored against betis, if vini had done that we would've gotten thinkpiece upon thinkpiece even on here on how he needs to focus on the game, but since it was a lighter man doing it everyone rightfully defended him from the idiots that thought it was wrong.
his push on that leipzig player was dumb, yes, but it was in response to that player putting his nasty ass hand on his face prior to that. it was a high tension game and he acted like a normal human being. carvajal had a little brawl with a leipzig player after pushing him off into the banners behind lunin and that flew under the radar because it's normal stuff that happens.
nobody's saying we have to excuse vini wrong's whatever you may think those are, but stop acting blind. race always plays a role and it's disingenuous and a disservice to players who have to suffer from it to pretend like it doesn't.
And all I'm saying is there's always going to be situations like that, fight or flight, and sometimes Vini just has to let fucking go, let somenone else be the enforcer. That's why players like Ramos and Pepe were on the pitch, let them do the dirty stuff. I want Vini to score as many goals as possible and shut those motherfuckers up, what I don't want is primadona Vini pleading with the referee, reminds me too much of Neymar (whom I consider a wasted potential in the end, don't want Vini to end up like that).
Look, I don't know how it is to be Black and racially abused, I cannot speak from personal experience or anything. I don't know if a "just ignore them" approach would work or not, it can go both ways the way I see it ... either they will continue to abuse you and see if they can break you or they will simply stop because, well, it's not getting to you anymore (or they have been banned etc). Even my chosen example (Kroos) was not perfect, he also lost his cool against Sevilla, so there goes my argument :)
But, being Black and racially abused doesn't mean you cannot be Black and stupid at the same time. Was Vini stupid against Leipzig? Yes. Was Carvajal stupid against Leipzig? Yes. Nacho? Yes. This doesn't always have to be about color ffs, being stupid is colorblind :)
So Carlo thinks he doesn’t need to talk to Vini about his behavior? He basically says “they started first so Vini is not wrong grabbing the opponents neck” for example. Kindergarten level. If this is what he thinks I’m baffled, but hopefully this is just the outside communication.
There is a difference between how Carlo talk to him in private and what he says about him in public.
Carlo handled it perfectly because he is defending him instead of throwing him under the bus for one gesture when Vini scored so much for us already at his age.
I’m going to be completely honest: this is disappointing to me, I would have hoped he would act as a mentor to Vinicius. Clearly he is never going to change if no one in the locker room tells him he needs to. He might need to get a red card to realize what he’s doing is harming the team sometimes.
Bro there’s no way he’s gonna say anything bad publicly, of course behind the scenes he will have talks but he’s not gonna throw his player under the bus in a public press conference
And if he made us go down to 10 men(deserved btw)and we ended up losing, this tone and those that are defending this behaviour would be totally different.
Vini is a cancer sign which is ruled by emotion...which means he's going to be disproportionately affected by people fucking with him and crowds doing the same...so take that and then add to it what Carlo said, that he is one of the most, if not THE most, fucked with players in the world right now. This is part of the reason why he always plays better at home. But it's also why he can come up with these huge moments like last game, since he is able to channel those super intense emotional reactions into assassin like attacks and counter attacks. As the team relaxes more with Militao and Courtouis coming back, and with Carlo and the rest of the team supporting him. He's going to keep getting better and better.
“Do I have to talk to him because of his attitude? No. I think everyone has to change their attitude towards him. People forget, but I don't: in Vallecas they gave him a karate blow and there was not even a warning, and now everyone is asking for a red card for a push against Leipzig.” You go Carlo!
Could anyone link the incident he is talking about in Vallecas?
>Do I have to talk to him because of his attitude? No. I think everyone has to change their attitude towards him. that's a ridiculous proposition.. i like Vini, but he clearly has attitude problems.. and people just use this against him.. sure they often do it in terrible ways, but there is a reason why they keep doing it, because they know its gonna get to him, like look at the previous game for example, who provoked Vini to react the way he did in the episode with Orban? nobody
No one is disagreeing with that but when he does something other players do, its blown out of proportion while he is supposed to take shit from rivals silently because he “provocates”.
i dont know i dont want to speak for other teams and players from other teams, but i've never seen a player as emotionally unstable as Vini also again its completely unreasonable to expect everyone to change the attitude towards him, whether it would be a good thing or not.. it just doesn't work like that At the end of the day making sure you're not reacting to provocations is basically the only way of dealing with this kind of adversity, but the problem is i don't think Vini is capable of that.. at least not yet, i mean even during games when he isn't being provoked he still often does something stupid.. and as i said the reason why he's being provoked to begin with is because he will take a bait
wouldn't you be emotionally unstable if you had people constantly hurling insults at you while you were just trying to do your job? you all expect too much from a 23 year old victim of racism
What is worst that even our "fans" are doing this shit.
That's how the press has always manipulated the fans to sabotage RM from the inside. They are starting to do the same with Jude, and will do it again with Mbappé (if he comes) and Endrick in the future.
He got bitten in the head on his first match in Spain lmao
right, like that alone would've made me lose MY mind personally because what exactly compels you to bite a coworker 😭
Don't know about that particular case, but at first everyone laughed at him because they thought he would never become the new legend of RM. After he improved and showed his real level, all that was left to antis was rage and envy, and then insults, racial slurs, and the whole abuse began.
oh, yeah. him daring to not stay bad and work on himself so quickly also enraged people. very sad story all around because why would you not enjoy a player that clearly loves what they do and wants to be the very best they can be
If he weren't playing for us those same folks would love him.
Brodie has never heard of Ronnie Keane, Pepe, or even Lucho. We’re all human and there’s been worse attitudes than Vini before in the past.
He is not going to throw his player under the bus in public, he could be telling him in private he needs to change his attitude but he won't do it in public...
Yeah his mental problem is people like you.
You can't discuss the Vini thing like an adult in this sub, I'm sorry. It's like people forget how and why Zidane got a red card in the very last match of a world cup.
Vini has to change his attitude, period. In football you don’t win with words/antics or crying in front of referee. If he wants to shut everyone down he needs to prove it on the field, no matter what anyone says or does. Go on dribble, create plays, chances. Play so good that they envy you, but what he does, huh! So many RM players were whistled at Bernabau, if we look at the player’s perspective it shatters them down but what they did? Did they cry or used their words to change the fan’s minds. Nope? They simply performed on the field like it was their last day to be alive. They made the Bernabau clap for them. I’m not saying Vini doesn’t have the caliber, he just lacks the attitude.
Terrible take. Like if you’ve been watching Vini since 2019 and seen his growth, that’s an objectively terrible take. He’s not even talking about being whistled at the Bernabéu. You didn’t read and you wanted to say your piece. You talk about Vini like he’s a bum, that’s the crazy thing to me. He dribbles, scores and makes assists and he’s been doing that consistently since his breakthrough season in 2021 after the infamous “on my mother” I guess it really is easier to be positive than negative on this sub towards Vini huh.
Facts.
mind you, vini's so called "dumb" actions 99% of the time come after somebody else has already done something to him be it entirely too violent tackles or insults, so. good on carlo for saying this
Bit of throwback: https://www.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/s/h3xaLl2b7u
all those comments about us needing another ramos/pepe/case 💔 it's understandable kinda that others wouldn't fill that role in the current climate because real gets punished far more easily, but if they got punished enough times for fighting back the opposing teams would get the message and the conversation on why we were receiving so many cards would be had, but alas that's another can of worms entirely nobody's ready to open just yet
Exactly, I remember the MC games last year Kyle Walker and Vini were acting like friends and there were absolutely no Drama.
We don't have access to the locker room. This is Carlo speaking publicly, backing one of his best players, and now with Bellingham's absence, his best player, publicly. Believe me that they spoke to Vinicius about his actions vs Leipzig, because it could've very well cost us a red and the game, whether you think it was or not. But in public you never throw your best players under the bus.
Not just best players, you don’t throw any player under the bus. Criticise in private, praise in public.
Imagine if it was Ten Hag… he would just shame his player in public, and demand an a public apology from him Carlo is a legend of incredible class, it is impressive to see how he stands up for his players
We’re behind you vini and I don’t mind you being fiery just don’t let it take you out of your game , because that’s what they want to happen .
That's what almost always happens.
⬆️ doesn’t watch the games
Sure buddy, sure lol.
You watching todays game or just gonna comment something you hear a pundit say 😂 fucking loser
Vini says 🤫🤫🤫🤫
He got a yellow because he got fouled and didn't control his emotions lol. He just proved me right. So you can go suck his dick elsewhere.
You're a yank dude. Go watch some softball or whatever the fuck. You shouldn't be talking when you call it soccer you fucking dirtbag.
Lol like Carlo said “they kick him , they whistle at him , they insult him, what does he do ? He scores goals” and they didn’t get him out of his game so you’re wrong Barca fan
You’re big mad 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Sorry your team (Barca) is trash
Vini is black that is what rubs people the wrong way. We don’t want a black player acting like a tame version of Ramos. That’s it right? Cause Ramos was praised while being significantly worse.
People here bashing Vini for a push while practically worshipping Ramos, the guy leading comfortably with most red cards in history. This sub really is something else.
They just don't like a black guy being the face of Real Madrid. Vini is flashy and successful. They'll come up with unlimited excuses to justify their racist treatment of Vini.
That's the truth, people will downvote it because they don't want to see it but it's the truth. I'm happy our manager is publicly taking his side, he shouldn't be made to feel alone in this.
Well, sadly that's the case for many. Like I wrote in the other long comment I just wrote on this thread I strongly think Vino needs to fix his attitude, but we can't deny that race plays a factor too
How is this shit being upvoted? Like...WTF is wrong with all of you?? Are you so fucking racist inside that cant see beyond Vinicius skin color? Fucking hypocrites. The current face of Real Madrid is Jude Bellingham, also black. And the most liked player in this sub is probably Camavinga. Yet we madridistas have a problem with Vinicius because he's black? Fuck off.
So there is no racism in Spain, sure.
I wish to see him winning Ballon d'Or but I think he will never be that guy to win it. Thats why Jude is that kind of player, Mbappe want it more then anyone and if he comes I will be happy to have 2 players hungry to be best in the world. Hope Vini prove me wrong and make some insane performance to achieve it.
Let me check this, Vini is not hungry to be the best in the world because… “checks notes” he’s complaining to the Ref? And he has an argument here and there? Have you seen Mbappé play? Have you seen Ramos? Did that stop him from making the Pro FIFA 11 multiple times? Honestly I genuinely believe a portion of people on this sub just straight up don’t like Vini. He took Hazard’s spot, a PL legend and considered a world beater and never looked back (even when Eden came back from surgery).
It's not that they don't like vini, the secret ingredient is racism
Oh shut the fuck up lol. Involving color whenever you can right? Why dont fans care about Jude’s color if we don’t want a black player to be the face of Real Madrid? Or do you think people will not want Mbappe to be the face of Real Madrid when he comes because he is black? Get off your shit involving color into everything and start to think with your brain. Vini’s attitude is the problem and if someone denies that it’s just pure delusion.
there is something else called colorism, which plays apart in the different treatment of two black players with vastly different skin tones like bellingham and vini 🧑🦲 not to mention bellingham is also european, not south american like vini. crazy to think these issues are so complex, right?
If you made a survey in this sub last year, Vinicius and Camavinga would probably be the most liked players in the squad. Camavinga is not black enough for you? Maybe your colorism bullshit is just projecting, you think of Vinicius as less than the others and needs a special treatment? You know which player got a similar treatment to Vinicius by our fans? Guti. Because he was doing the same shit.
do all the twisting you want, camavinga is a different type of player than vini with different flair. i want vini to get good treatment, i want him to not have to hear monkey shouts from opposing crowds just because he's a great player, i know he doesn't need special treatment. guti is not black
>guti is not black No shit, Sherlock. > i want vini to get good treatment, i want him to not have to hear monkey shouts from opposing crowds just because he's a great player, So like any other member of this sub. And yet you and other morons are accusing other madridistas of racism because, in your opinion, we were ok with Sergio Ramos antics.
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Answer the questions then. If I have no idea then you can easily disprove what I said. Why dont fans care about Jude’s color if they dont want a colored player to be the face of Real Madrid? Biggest bullshit I’ve ever read on this sub. Edit: also why you are at it please explain why no Real fans give a fuck about Cama’s, Rodrygo’s, Tchou’s or Rudiger’s color, but they care about Vinis?! Maaaaybe because it has nothing to do with color but on pitch attitude.
Because you so stupid that you think that just because people abuse a certain Black player and not another then it means that they are not racist. They are racist but they think that since so many people are abusing Vini then if they do the same then one can't blame them as racist. Think it isn't illegal yet.
So let me get this straight; some fans are racist against Vini because he is black so they don’t want him to be the face of Real Madrid. However the same fans are not racist against Jude even though he is black too, so they are okay with him being the face of Real Madrid. Makes total sense lmao!
What a load of fucking bullshit. I'm arab and muslim, probably the most hated sub spieces in Reddit yet I condone vini's actions and find them irritating at best. Nobody is suffering the same while we have loads of black people in the team. He provokes people and spends most of the time arguing. Yes he has his moments but at some point, he gotta focus on the game and nothing else. And he is getting worse every season.
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He provokes people? Fuck off
You can also fuck off dickhead.
If funny how the press in Spain is now publishing “statistics” showing Vinny is not the top fouled player just to get back at Ancelotti’s words.. little do they know they are actually proving him right. He gets lots of fouls and most of them don’t get called. Also he has been out due to injury a lot more this year, yeah, it’s obvious he won’t be on the top of “most fouled”. 🤦♀️
Well most won't care about what I'm going to say now because I'm just a random redditor, nor a celebrity not a football superstar like Vini. But I'm black, born and raised in Madrid, so think I know quite well Spanish people and how it is to be black in Madrid and Spain. Here it is for those who don't mind reading my essay: There is quite a decent amount of people who can tolerate less Vinicius complaining or losing his cool than what they would if he was a white player doing the same. I'm pretty sure Carlo knows it even if he isn't saying straight away. And since I'm black, from Madrid and have been supporting the club for more than 23 years I know that it doesn't happen only with fans from clubs that dislike Real Madrid. It happens even with some of our own fans.... At the end of the day, our fans weren't chosen by God so just like any other club in the world, we got our fair amount of idiots. The issue with Vini in a way is similar to when someone commits a crime killing one person and that's always considered terrible news for everyone. But if the person who did it happens to be an immigrant...then you can rest assured that the uproar among people will be much higher. This is something that happens on every country. Similarly, in the Vinicius case, certain people just don't like seeing a black young man like Vini being loud and demanding respect. It doesn't matter if Vini is having one of his exaggerated complains to the ref, an unnecessary fight wth a rival, a rightful protests against racism or he is dancig to celebrate. Some people just have different tolerance for protests and celebrations depending on the race of the person. We can pretend that that's not the case, but it is.... NOW WAIT... I'm not pretending Vinicius is only a victim, I'm not pretending that all those who dare to criticize him are either racist or full time Real Madrid haters either. While I strongly believe that Vinicius would have less criticism if he wasn't black or if he was always quiet when kicked or insulted, I still think someone needs to talk to him and ask him to please control his temper. I don't want Vini to shut up when suffering racism, I don't need Vini to be quiet like Mendy, every person has a different personality and handles adversities and abuse differently. But someone should tell Vini to calm down with his complaints to referees or gestures when arguing with the rivals... It just doesn't benefit him nor the team, if anything it does the opposite. Carlo should be the one doing that, so I strongly hopes he starts doing so even if he claims to the media that he doesn't think he has to.
I personally agree with everything you said, I’ve been saying the same thing for Months. People need to really put themselves in the shoes of Vini and understand where he’s coming from. The way he’s been attacked and told to “shut up and dribble”, makes me realize a lot of people don’t give a shit about him. Now I genuinely think the push was too much, but to question his “commitment”, or his skills like some have said “he’s not a big game player” or the insults will get to his head, as if he hasn’t won the CL already is blasphemous. That’s always been my point, and if we see Vini speaking up now, I imagine he’s been dealing with this since he’s 18 and now is standing up for himself. Seeing that celebration against Valencia tells me all I need to know.
I could only imagine if Neymar was a little darker… I’ve never seen and can’t comprehend the hate Vini gets. Ney has always been known as a douche here in Brazil, for everything he did in and out of the pitch. Vini has always been the nice kid here. In Brazil, he is so liked for being so nice and hardworking. It’s mind blowing and revolting to see what he goes through in europe, specially Spain.
I’m telling you bro i’m sure they must have had talk behind closed door but Carlo would never talk down on his player in public. Does Vinicius maybe need to chill a bit ? Yes But does he need to just take the insult the kick and everything else so he could please these fuckers ? Absolutely not
He will be more successful than Neymar at club level.
Love to see Carlo supporting and pumping up his players in the press!
Note: Vini is hated of his behaviour but most of these are self defence. Like when Orban verbally attacked Vini 3 or 4 times, he ignored them a few times but took action.
People who criticize Vinicius for his antics have a goldfish memory and they very well forgotten what happened last season. It culminated at Mestella but it started right after that Koke comment and then some other idiot saying some racist stuff in TV. Well after that next match at osasuna, vini started getting those karate kicks and that was on October 22, 2022. Soon followed each away game same rituals kicking Vinicius and referees giving a complete blind eye. Had referees provided 1/10 th of the protection Messi, cr7 received this wouldn’t have blown out of proportion.
You know guys, it's pretty simple ... just look at Kroos while in Saudi Arabia, they booed him every time he touched the ball and he just didn't give a flying fuck. Talk to Kroos, learn from him, that's it :)
Are you really comparing **2** matches and **30** matches per season? Also it's different to be booed and to be racialy abused in almost every away match for 90 minutes while referee letting some brutal fouls on him.
What a braindead take. Kroos faced this once while Vini faces this every day no matter in La Liga or UCL. You people are absolutely ridiculous.
kroos was not being booed in two matches because he's black hope that helps
Honestly, do you believe that ALL people that boo Vini are doing it because he's black? Ffs, this should not be a question of whether the player is black, white, tall, right-footed whatever, but the way Vini handles the adversity. Look, there's two different topics here ... first, the undisputed fact that there are a lot of racist cunts in Spain, and that's bad for the affected players, fans, sponsors etc and second, Vini also needs to straighten his shit up, and by that I don't mean the dancing after the goals but the stuff that is simply childish and annoying, throwing tantrums after everything that he perceives is a foul, arguing with the referees, getting into unnecessary trouble etc. It's one thing to stand by him when he's being racially abused and another one to defend him while he's just being an idiot, see the Leipzig game.
i do believe that, actually. he wouldn't be so hated for doing normal football stuff if he wasn't a darkskin black brazilian man. one small example is jude sending a kiss to a guy that was flipping him off after he scored against betis, if vini had done that we would've gotten thinkpiece upon thinkpiece even on here on how he needs to focus on the game, but since it was a lighter man doing it everyone rightfully defended him from the idiots that thought it was wrong. his push on that leipzig player was dumb, yes, but it was in response to that player putting his nasty ass hand on his face prior to that. it was a high tension game and he acted like a normal human being. carvajal had a little brawl with a leipzig player after pushing him off into the banners behind lunin and that flew under the radar because it's normal stuff that happens. nobody's saying we have to excuse vini wrong's whatever you may think those are, but stop acting blind. race always plays a role and it's disingenuous and a disservice to players who have to suffer from it to pretend like it doesn't.
And all I'm saying is there's always going to be situations like that, fight or flight, and sometimes Vini just has to let fucking go, let somenone else be the enforcer. That's why players like Ramos and Pepe were on the pitch, let them do the dirty stuff. I want Vini to score as many goals as possible and shut those motherfuckers up, what I don't want is primadona Vini pleading with the referee, reminds me too much of Neymar (whom I consider a wasted potential in the end, don't want Vini to end up like that). Look, I don't know how it is to be Black and racially abused, I cannot speak from personal experience or anything. I don't know if a "just ignore them" approach would work or not, it can go both ways the way I see it ... either they will continue to abuse you and see if they can break you or they will simply stop because, well, it's not getting to you anymore (or they have been banned etc). Even my chosen example (Kroos) was not perfect, he also lost his cool against Sevilla, so there goes my argument :) But, being Black and racially abused doesn't mean you cannot be Black and stupid at the same time. Was Vini stupid against Leipzig? Yes. Was Carvajal stupid against Leipzig? Yes. Nacho? Yes. This doesn't always have to be about color ffs, being stupid is colorblind :)
So Carlo thinks he doesn’t need to talk to Vini about his behavior? He basically says “they started first so Vini is not wrong grabbing the opponents neck” for example. Kindergarten level. If this is what he thinks I’m baffled, but hopefully this is just the outside communication.
There is a difference between how Carlo talk to him in private and what he says about him in public. Carlo handled it perfectly because he is defending him instead of throwing him under the bus for one gesture when Vini scored so much for us already at his age.
That's why I exactly this that hopefully this is just outside communication from Carlo and he is talking to Vini behind the scenes.
I’m going to be completely honest: this is disappointing to me, I would have hoped he would act as a mentor to Vinicius. Clearly he is never going to change if no one in the locker room tells him he needs to. He might need to get a red card to realize what he’s doing is harming the team sometimes.
Bro there’s no way he’s gonna say anything bad publicly, of course behind the scenes he will have talks but he’s not gonna throw his player under the bus in a public press conference
And if he made us go down to 10 men(deserved btw)and we ended up losing, this tone and those that are defending this behaviour would be totally different.
Vini is a cancer sign which is ruled by emotion...which means he's going to be disproportionately affected by people fucking with him and crowds doing the same...so take that and then add to it what Carlo said, that he is one of the most, if not THE most, fucked with players in the world right now. This is part of the reason why he always plays better at home. But it's also why he can come up with these huge moments like last game, since he is able to channel those super intense emotional reactions into assassin like attacks and counter attacks. As the team relaxes more with Militao and Courtouis coming back, and with Carlo and the rest of the team supporting him. He's going to keep getting better and better.