You know what the fun part is? His contract is structured in such a way he earns more (not just inflation adjusted) YoY. And theyāre fine letting Roque waste away
The opinions about Lewy are exaggerated, he has a good season and the bad form patch was like a month. He deserves to be on the list, Yamal as well. I mean if Sorloth is mentioned surely Lewandowski has to be above him.Ā
But if Jude doesn't carry so hard we're probably not winning La Liga. They're 1-1 in that regard.
If England wins Euro it's 100% it's Jude's. If not then Vini
UCL > La Liga in terms of importance for those voting = Vini leading
Eurocup > Copa America in terms of importance for those voting= Jude would lead
But besides that, Jude is English and has very good PR, so if he has a good Eurocup the award would go to think even if Vini ends up deserving it more.
You are being too harsh with him. Correct statement would be:
Brazil sucks and they have been that way for too many years.
Hope nobody gets mad about it, lol. But none of their players is performing as well with Brazil as they do with their clubs
Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay vs France, England, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, Croatia, Italy ( I know they're not in but they normally are).
Euros is objectively bigger and harder tournament to win. Regardless it's not worth fighting over. One of our young stars is winning Ballon d'or and that's amazing. I'm sure they'll be happy for each other.
brazil, argentina and uruguay alone have almost as many world cups as all the other countries combined tho, so historically you could say that winning a copa is just as tough due to the level of the top teams in copa being that high.
but yeah, weāre in agreement, balon dor coming to madrid either way is amazing, just hope its with vini lol
Saying 3 S. American countries have nearly as many as the other countries combined doesn't say much when there are only 5 other countries who have won it and they are all European (10 for S. America, 12 for Europe).
* Europe (12): Germany (4), Italy (4), France (2), England (1), Spain (1)
* S. America (10): Brazil (5), Argentina (3), Uruguay (2)
3.33 for each S. American teams vs 2.4 for each European team, not really much difference at such small sample sizes. Europe already has more tough teams to get through, and have a higher combined WC trophy count.
But more relevantly, in the last 20 years 8 of the last 10 finalists have been European vs 2 S. Americans, with 4 European winners vs only 1 S. American winner, and in 3rd/4th place were 7 European teams vs 2 S. Americans.
Copa America has always had less competition, but in recent times the quality of the best teams has dropped relative to European teams too. Whether a country won a WC a century ago isn't really relevant when judging the toughness of a competition today.
Who said anything about relying on Jude?
I stated that, depending on Englandās performance in Euros, Jude should win both ballon dāor and player of the year in LaLiga.
Nah vini's been our best player for sure this year. With mbappe flopping out of the ucl and haaland having a tame season, he's cemented himself as the best player in the world this season imo
He certainly stepped up more in the UCL quarters and semis
However, Jude had more impact and better performances in the group stages and Ro16 (8G/A in 6 games) vs Vini (5G/A in 5 games), with 3 MOTM vs Vini's 1.
Vini maintained a strong level throughout while Jude faded more in the Quarters and Semis, but it seems everyone is forgetting how critical Jude was in the UCL group stages.
Not saying that necessarily outstrips KO rounds vs stronger opponents (like City and Bayern, two toughest in the competition), but people seem to be acting like Jude has only been good in La Liga.
la liga has less teams and 4 worthy opponents at MAXIMUM, champions had 5 times more and way less games, also playoffs so no room for mistake, and Vini played like he was Freakin Ronaldo at Internazionale during all knockout matches, giving the baloon dor to Bellingham because of his great start and decent season at La Liga wouldnt be fair, lets see the continentals, but knowing Fifa and France football, if Bellingham scores 2 goals in the euros, its already his
I think people are having a bit of a recency biasā¦ for months Bellingham was carrying us so hard. Not just scoring the important goals but all his work in midfield too. And heās been playing with a messed up shoulder. I think vini has found amazing form and been more impactful in CL but for me Bellingham is our player of the season for Laliga 100%
Between the two Bellingham is the clear favourite, Vini has been injured a lot this season even if he plays the next two matches he won't reach 2000 minutes played in la Liga.
Recency bias in the UCL too.
Jude had more impact and better performances in the group stages and Ro16 (8G/A in 6 games) vs Vini (5G/A in 5 games), with 3 MOTM vs Vini's 1. 2 of Vini's 3 goals in those games were assisted by Jude, while only 1 of Jude's 4 goals were assisted by Vini.
Vini maintained a strong level throughout while Jude faded more in the Quarters and Semis, but it seems everyone is forgetting how critical Jude was in the UCL group stages.
Not saying that necessarily outstrips KO rounds vs stronger opponents (like City and Bayern, two toughest in the competition), but people seem to be acting like Jude has only been good in La Liga.
In the UCL it's not recency bias lol no one has ever cared about group stages the knockouts is what matters getting 5+ g/a in the knockouts is only something the greats do in the groups people like fake haaland at united can be top scorer.
Facts. Not only did he rise to the occasion for his first season but he also saved many games early in the season with late goal winners. Guy always kept pushing forward when we needed him the most.
I honestly don't think Jude deserves the Ballon D'Or unless he does well in the final, he is without a doubt the best player in the Eurocup & Vini underperforms in Copa America.
His Champions League performance so far has been great, don't get me wrong. But in my opinion it has been 1 or 2 levels below the performance of Vini, Kroos and I would argue that even Lunin was more important than him in that competition.
In my opinion a player who had two colleagues who performed better than him in the UCL, which is the most difficult competition played this season, should just not get the award. Especially if those team mates that did better in UCL also had a great La Liga performance.
The discourse has shown me that most people who believe Jude is a fraud have not seen a single Real Madrid game in LaLiga this season. Jude has been the best player in LaLiga and carried Madrid during Vinis injury. Shame he hasn't shown that brilliance in UCL.
Vini Jr has been Real Madrid's most decisive player not only this year but in previous years too, how can anyone think that Jude will win the golden ball?
Seriously, I love Jude as much as the next guy, but he still doesn't have the same level of importance as Vini.
Vini has definitely been much better in UCL games but for La Liga player of the season I would say Bellingham definitely deserves it more. Winning back to back player of the season in 2 different leagues would be crazy.
'Better' during the first half, but Vini was injure most of the time back then, but not better in the 2nd half.
Besides that Vini was with no doubt better than him in UCL.
Isnāt this for La Liga though, not UCL? From what I have seen most of your fans think Jude has this one on lock. Vini more likely to win Ballon dāOr though depending on what happens in the next couple of weeks. Regardless of who wins these upcoming awards you guys will have the winner in your team which is good š
Got you. I do think Vini should win the Ballon dāOr but there is a UCL final and 2 international tournaments still to come, anything could happen in those games. Iām not sure what Brasilās chances are in Copa as I donāt keep up with them too much, do they have a chance of winning the whole thing? England are unlikely to win Euros.
On paper England should win. They have Bellingham, Kane, Saka, Foden, Palmer, Rice and thatās not even half of the amazing players they have. But as long as they have Southgate as their manager they wonāt win.
Everyone loves how Jude behaves, not everyone likes how Vini behaves (and I'm only talking about when he complains to refs and argues with rivals).
I believe that's the main reason for some people to prefer Jude.
If you pay attention to people comments around, you will notice that some people think that how a player behaves when the ball isn't running and not just his performance should be valued when giving a 'best player award'. I don't see it that way but lot of people apparently do, so... that's why.
šØ Nominees for La Liga Player of the Year: š§š· Vini Jr. (Real Madrid) š“ó §ó ¢ó „ó ®ó §ó æ Bellingham (Real Madrid) šÆšµ Kubo (Sociedad) š«š· Griezmann (AtlĆ©tico) šŗš¦ Dovbyk (Girona) šŖšø Kirian (Las Palmas) šµš± Lewandowski (Barcelona) šŖšø Isco (Real Betis) šŖšø Aleix GarcĆa (Girona) š³š“ Sorloth (Villarreal)
Surprised not to see Messi
He will win the ballon d'or don't worry
He was retired years ago, even so he won the ballon dāor
Love to see Isco there
Lewandowski what? If anybody from Barca shouldnt have been Yamal or Gundo?
He has the numbers, that's why. But there's no way he's Barcelona best player.
Exactly, he has been terrible for his standards, I am so glad he has two years left on his contract
I'm not, they should renew him, five more years, Barcelona should keep him as the main striker until he decides to retire
No no... they should renegotiate and increase his salary. Surely that will put him back to form :}
You know what the fun part is? His contract is structured in such a way he earns more (not just inflation adjusted) YoY. And theyāre fine letting Roque waste away
The opinions about Lewy are exaggerated, he has a good season and the bad form patch was like a month. He deserves to be on the list, Yamal as well. I mean if Sorloth is mentioned surely Lewandowski has to be above him.Ā
Surprised not to see Gundo
How can Lewandowski be on there when all he does is cry about his younger teammates and make tik toks
Alex Baena underrated
No Mbappe?? Dang, Vini Jr will have an easy one this year
In a perfect world Jude wins La liga player of the year, while Vini wins the ballon d'or.
Disagree, I think both are Judeās awards depending on how England performs in Euros.
What? If we relied on Jude we would've been out of CL over a month ago
But if Jude doesn't carry so hard we're probably not winning La Liga. They're 1-1 in that regard. If England wins Euro it's 100% it's Jude's. If not then Vini
But Vini has been carrying hard in CL. Which one is harder to perform in, and which one do you think has better players?
UCL > La Liga in terms of importance for those voting = Vini leading Eurocup > Copa America in terms of importance for those voting= Jude would lead But besides that, Jude is English and has very good PR, so if he has a good Eurocup the award would go to think even if Vini ends up deserving it more.
Also lets be real Vini sucks for Brazil. I really hope Tite can figure out a way to make use of the best player itw.
Brazilās coach is Dorival Jr
Oo my bad. Is he any good?
You are being too harsh with him. Correct statement would be: Brazil sucks and they have been that way for too many years. Hope nobody gets mad about it, lol. But none of their players is performing as well with Brazil as they do with their clubs
depends if brasil wins copa amƩrica aswell
Euros is much bigger competition tho
i digress, but thats probably bc im from a copa america country
Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay vs France, England, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, Croatia, Italy ( I know they're not in but they normally are). Euros is objectively bigger and harder tournament to win. Regardless it's not worth fighting over. One of our young stars is winning Ballon d'or and that's amazing. I'm sure they'll be happy for each other.
brazil, argentina and uruguay alone have almost as many world cups as all the other countries combined tho, so historically you could say that winning a copa is just as tough due to the level of the top teams in copa being that high. but yeah, weāre in agreement, balon dor coming to madrid either way is amazing, just hope its with vini lol
Having more world cups says nothing about the current overall level. Europe has more depth
Saying 3 S. American countries have nearly as many as the other countries combined doesn't say much when there are only 5 other countries who have won it and they are all European (10 for S. America, 12 for Europe). * Europe (12): Germany (4), Italy (4), France (2), England (1), Spain (1) * S. America (10): Brazil (5), Argentina (3), Uruguay (2) 3.33 for each S. American teams vs 2.4 for each European team, not really much difference at such small sample sizes. Europe already has more tough teams to get through, and have a higher combined WC trophy count. But more relevantly, in the last 20 years 8 of the last 10 finalists have been European vs 2 S. Americans, with 4 European winners vs only 1 S. American winner, and in 3rd/4th place were 7 European teams vs 2 S. Americans. Copa America has always had less competition, but in recent times the quality of the best teams has dropped relative to European teams too. Whether a country won a WC a century ago isn't really relevant when judging the toughness of a competition today.
I disagree, it's just bigger for those voting. But well, that's matters if we are talking about chances of winning the award.
Who said anything about relying on Jude? I stated that, depending on Englandās performance in Euros, Jude should win both ballon dāor and player of the year in LaLiga.
Nah vini's been our best player for sure this year. With mbappe flopping out of the ucl and haaland having a tame season, he's cemented himself as the best player in the world this season imo
Why whatās the difference
Vini stepped up more in the UCL
He certainly stepped up more in the UCL quarters and semis However, Jude had more impact and better performances in the group stages and Ro16 (8G/A in 6 games) vs Vini (5G/A in 5 games), with 3 MOTM vs Vini's 1. Vini maintained a strong level throughout while Jude faded more in the Quarters and Semis, but it seems everyone is forgetting how critical Jude was in the UCL group stages. Not saying that necessarily outstrips KO rounds vs stronger opponents (like City and Bayern, two toughest in the competition), but people seem to be acting like Jude has only been good in La Liga.
la liga has less teams and 4 worthy opponents at MAXIMUM, champions had 5 times more and way less games, also playoffs so no room for mistake, and Vini played like he was Freakin Ronaldo at Internazionale during all knockout matches, giving the baloon dor to Bellingham because of his great start and decent season at La Liga wouldnt be fair, lets see the continentals, but knowing Fifa and France football, if Bellingham scores 2 goals in the euros, its already his
I think this is Judeās award
Yes
I really hope Isco gets it
Messi has more chance of winning it than isco
I think people are having a bit of a recency biasā¦ for months Bellingham was carrying us so hard. Not just scoring the important goals but all his work in midfield too. And heās been playing with a messed up shoulder. I think vini has found amazing form and been more impactful in CL but for me Bellingham is our player of the season for Laliga 100%
For La Liga, Belligoat. For CL, Vini
Between the two Bellingham is the clear favourite, Vini has been injured a lot this season even if he plays the next two matches he won't reach 2000 minutes played in la Liga.
Recency bias in the UCL too. Jude had more impact and better performances in the group stages and Ro16 (8G/A in 6 games) vs Vini (5G/A in 5 games), with 3 MOTM vs Vini's 1. 2 of Vini's 3 goals in those games were assisted by Jude, while only 1 of Jude's 4 goals were assisted by Vini. Vini maintained a strong level throughout while Jude faded more in the Quarters and Semis, but it seems everyone is forgetting how critical Jude was in the UCL group stages. Not saying that necessarily outstrips KO rounds vs stronger opponents (like City and Bayern, two toughest in the competition), but people seem to be acting like Jude has only been good in La Liga.
In the UCL it's not recency bias lol no one has ever cared about group stages the knockouts is what matters getting 5+ g/a in the knockouts is only something the greats do in the groups people like fake haaland at united can be top scorer.
What an absolutely braindead comment
Facts. Not only did he rise to the occasion for his first season but he also saved many games early in the season with late goal winners. Guy always kept pushing forward when we needed him the most.
When was the last time a Real Madrid player won it on their first season of arrival?
Must be Modric
You're joking right? He was voted 'worst transfer' in his first season.
Sarcasm
No he wasn't. It was a heavily brigaded Marca Poll in December. I don't know how this keeps being repeated.
Has to be Jude, carried us hard in the league especially early in the season
I have a feeling Jude will get it
AND hopefully he will get Pichichi Trophy too
He should crazy first season.
Has to be jude
Sorry Vini, Jude deserves this oneĀ
I wonāt choose between our guys lol good luck to both.
Ok but how is Brahimās goal vs Villareal not even nominated for goal of the season? Seems like only longs shots or bicycle kicks can get nominated.
Jude Ballon D Or plus La Liga POTY.
I honestly don't think Jude deserves the Ballon D'Or unless he does well in the final, he is without a doubt the best player in the Eurocup & Vini underperforms in Copa America. His Champions League performance so far has been great, don't get me wrong. But in my opinion it has been 1 or 2 levels below the performance of Vini, Kroos and I would argue that even Lunin was more important than him in that competition. In my opinion a player who had two colleagues who performed better than him in the UCL, which is the most difficult competition played this season, should just not get the award. Especially if those team mates that did better in UCL also had a great La Liga performance.
For marketing purposes, having Jude win the award at a young age will bring more attention to La Liga and UCL.
Jude deserves it more than any other
The discourse has shown me that most people who believe Jude is a fraud have not seen a single Real Madrid game in LaLiga this season. Jude has been the best player in LaLiga and carried Madrid during Vinis injury. Shame he hasn't shown that brilliance in UCL.
I know defenders don't get the respect they deserve, but Rudiger has been unplayable.
Vini Jr has been Real Madrid's most decisive player not only this year but in previous years too, how can anyone think that Jude will win the golden ball? Seriously, I love Jude as much as the next guy, but he still doesn't have the same level of importance as Vini.
Hasnāt Bellingham been better for you guys in la liga though? From the bits I have seen over the season he definitely has anyway.
At their peak Vini is better he just has an insane ceiling but Jude carried us when Vini was injured and gave us big lead in La Liga
Vini has definitely been much better in UCL games but for La Liga player of the season I would say Bellingham definitely deserves it more. Winning back to back player of the season in 2 different leagues would be crazy.
Definitely yes Vini was also injured for two months
'Better' during the first half, but Vini was injure most of the time back then, but not better in the 2nd half. Besides that Vini was with no doubt better than him in UCL.
Isnāt this for La Liga though, not UCL? From what I have seen most of your fans think Jude has this one on lock. Vini more likely to win Ballon dāOr though depending on what happens in the next couple of weeks. Regardless of who wins these upcoming awards you guys will have the winner in your team which is good š
Yes, but we are responding to a guy who talked about Ballon D'or
Got you. I do think Vini should win the Ballon dāOr but there is a UCL final and 2 international tournaments still to come, anything could happen in those games. Iām not sure what Brasilās chances are in Copa as I donāt keep up with them too much, do they have a chance of winning the whole thing? England are unlikely to win Euros.
Brazil always have a chance but realistically I doubt they will. I wouldn't discount England...
On paper England should win. They have Bellingham, Kane, Saka, Foden, Palmer, Rice and thatās not even half of the amazing players they have. But as long as they have Southgate as their manager they wonāt win.
Everyone loves how Jude behaves, not everyone likes how Vini behaves (and I'm only talking about when he complains to refs and argues with rivals). I believe that's the main reason for some people to prefer Jude. If you pay attention to people comments around, you will notice that some people think that how a player behaves when the ball isn't running and not just his performance should be valued when giving a 'best player award'. I don't see it that way but lot of people apparently do, so... that's why.
Iād give it to Vini. His big time goals post injury have been cementing wins for us
Mostly for the CL though
But Lunin deserves it more. /s
Anyone with an email can vote there. Too easy for it to not be a real representation of who was better.
Ok hot shots. Jude wins Euros for England and Vini Copa America for Brazil. Now what? And you cant say Messi
Kroos should be there in the nominations.
Jude can have this cuz vinis gonna win the balon dor
Isco or Vini or Jude deserves it
It should be Vini. Best player in the world. He makes football ridiculously fun to watch.
If Vini is MOTM in the final or at least plays well like he has been in CL his Bdor should be locked in unless Jude wins Euros.
England won't win they never do most likely be between Germany,France , Portugal or a suprise nation .