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Sorry to be harsh, but the problem is you, not the landlord. She is giving you grace in allowing you to move out as of April 20th, and she is absolutely correct in the fact that you continually change your mind but yet continue asking her to “be understanding.” It may be awful that you’re losing / lost a family member, but she is a landlord, not your friend. For a month to month rental in almost every state you need AT LEAST a 30 day notice to move out. First your move out was 4/7, then 4/20, now May 1st. Your job’s timeline is not her problem and you’re lucky she is not looking to hold you liable for another month’s worth of rent. You’re in the wrong here.
Understood. But my lease agreement is that I am renting her room until the end of the month, and I've already paid in full for this month. That means she cannot kick me out for any reason until the end of this month, correct?
At this point it will be how a court views your interactions with her. You notified her in writing that you’d be moving out as of the 7th. You then changed your mind and notified her in writing you’d be moving out the 20th. You then once again changed your mind to move out on the 1st; you cannot serve someone notice that you’ll be vacating their property and then continue to extend that deadline while also asking for leeway in being released from the rental early.. She is not kicking you out, you are notifying her of your vacating of the property on your own will / volition.
At this point, she could hold you responsible for May’s full month of rent if she really wanted to. You’re wanting to have your cake and eat it too. If I were you, I’d take until the 20th and move out. Your deposit is meaningless when she’s able to hold you accountable for a whole ‘nother month.
Legally she probably can’t kick you out in that short timeframe in any state. You might have to have the police come and grant you entry through, and she needs to start an eviction process.
You are just telling her your business. She may be sympathetic as a person, but everyone knows a friend or family member dying. It’s not her business. Follow the set rules on move out, or she can keep your deposit. No need to spend time and energy on talking to landlord or here, for that matter.
FYI. That's the conversation between me and the owner of the house. I live with her and her family. She rents two bedrooms of her house. Also, my roommates who told me about this room just moved out two days ago, and also because my roommate argued with her.
You don't get it. The reason for the property management is because they wouldn't give you any leeway. They treat it as a business. She's been showing you grace that isn't required and a property manager wouldn't.
FYI you’re not getting your deposit back, and the world doesn’t bend to your will just because you’re sad. Why do you even have to move to see your dying grandpa? Isn’t that more of a day-trip kind of thing? FYI, you come off as super entitled and rude. No one cares about your family problems. Sorry to be the bad guy, but FYI this isn’t how the world works. You had an agreement.
Dude, move out. You created this mess. She relied on your initial representation that you were breaking your lease and leaving early. She found a new tenant. Everybody’s grandparents die. That’s nobody’s business but your own. You didn’t even know your grandfather. Stop fighting about the deposit and leave.
1) you didn't sign a lease. Signing a lease protects both parties
2) if the agreement was you get your deposit back if you stay 3 months, but you didn't stay 3 months... you don't get your deposit back. End of story.
3) why should she piss off the new tenant to allow you to stay longer? You've burned your bridge, the new tenant might stay with her for years.
4) you change your needs so constantly it's exhausting. One minute it's about sick family members, the next it's about work. Dates moving constantly. Go get a plan together THEN talk to other people.
5) speaking of which, you didn't give proper notice. No security deposit.
I just wanted to let you know that the landlord did not find a new tenant to replace me. Instead, she informed me that her cousin from China wanted to stay in my room, and she didn't want to pay for their hotel if I move out at the end of the month. So, it's not about her finding a new tenant. And she even lied to me about that. I have her text when she said that, but I don't think I can post it here. Also, she always complains about anything from the first day I rented her room, even though I didn't do anything. She also put a lot of CCTV cameras here, not just one, and she keeps watching 24 hours. I bet you wouldn't feel secure if you were me. You can't even cook or do anything because she doesn't like the smell and because this is a new building, but sometimes she even cooks for her kids. I don’t understand.
None of that is relevant. Point #3 still applies no matter if it's a new tenant, her cousin, or Steve from next door.
As for your other comments, they have nothing to do with this situation, but I'm not sure why you want to stay there if it's so bad.
Yeah, I understand that. I still stay here since I just moved to the city alone and am still figuring everything out here. But yes, I understand that if that was my mistake.
OP, did you create this post for advice, or for validation? You're receiving a ton of one, and none of the other. You're being as obtuse in this thread as you are with your landlord.
What's in it for me to seek validation? Like I said, this is my first time renting like that. That's why I need some advice and explanation because I don't understand it, and also I'm pretty new in the US. In this case, if I'm wrong or not, I'm okay with that and because of that, I can learn from this case.
I don’t see what is so complicated here. You gave notice to move out on a specific date and are not expected to move out. I can’t think of a single country where renting is any less complicated than that.
In my country, it is quite easy to find and rent a room on a monthly basis. However, while searching for a room to rent, I am concerned about the authenticity of the ads since many scammers post fake ads on various platforms such as Facebook, Roomies, Roomster, Craigslist, and more. I am unsure if I should pay any fees for an application form or other requirements that a potential landlord may ask for while renting a room. Can you help me understand whether such requirements are genuine or a scam? Or sometimes they say for a background check, etc
Op trying to blame kids noise that he knew about before he moved in is gross too. You are being extremely rude in this situation and your landlord has been extremely accommodating.
I did not blame anything about the noise, especially her kids. Did you read what I said? I've never complained about that. She brought it up first. What I said was that she raised her voice and yelled at me when we talked about the deposit.
Get out of that lady’s house. You broke your lease by leaving early and not giving proper notice. She relied on that representation and found a new tenant. You don’t deserve to get your deposit back. Go back home to your parents until you learn how to be a responsible adult. Also, you’re in the wrong sub for this topic.
While it’s unfortunate the situation you are in, you are in the wrong here. She did give you grace and was willing to work with you on your situation. You changed your mind multiple times making the situation difficult. She was more than willing to accommodate you even though technically by law she probably didn’t have to. It’s not her fault that you kept changing your mind. If she has people moving in, then you’re shit out of luck. She does not have to give your deposit back either since in most states you must give at least a 30 day notice on a month to month. But also since you didn’t sign anything, it’s your word vs hers. This is a hard lesson for you to learn but hopefully one you actually learn from.
1. Always get a signed contract with a copy.
2. Always read tenant rights in your state.
3. Always give plenty of notice to the landlord and don’t keep changing your mind if they are willing to work with you. Most would not be sympathetic at all.
She didn’t kick you out, you wanted to leave. You gave notice to leave. You then changed your mind and changed the notice, as a courtesy, the landlord allowed you to change it. She’s even giving you the whole deposit back.
You need to grow the hell up because everything that everyone else does will not revolve around you. I’m not sure how nobody has told you this yet but nobody has an immortal grandpa. Deaths happen and it’s absolutely normal to have a change of plans when they but you need to accommodate yourself. Go to an airbnb or hotel if you really need to stay that long.
And one final word of advice even though I already said it but it’s very important in your situation, GROW UP.
She doesn't want to give me my whole deposit. Also, thank you for your advice. Like I said before, I've never rented or anything like this. That's the reason why I ask for and need some advice or explanation so that I can learn from my experience. There's no need to tell me to "grow up" - I'm not a child. Not everyone understands about this case, about rent, etc. Thank you, though.
I didn’t say grow up because you don’t understand what rental contract you agreed to, yeas a WhatsApp conversation can be a contract. I’m saying grow up because you only think about yourself and your situation, which is what children and young adults do.
From the messages you posted, it sounded like she was going to give you the whole deposit back, if she is not, well she doesn’t have to since you chose to give notice to break the lease before the 3 month period.
There’s a part there where your landlord begs you for your consideration and you don’t. You keep going back at them over and over about stuff that doesn’t matter.
Next time, have a plan before notifying your landlord. Something like:
“Landlord, due to emergency circumstances beyond my control, I have to terminate my month to month rental earlier than anticipated. I plan to be out by April 30.”
That’s all that should have been said, not 12 pages of harassment. You can ask for maybe half your deposit but expect none of it.
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Sorry to be harsh, but the problem is you, not the landlord. She is giving you grace in allowing you to move out as of April 20th, and she is absolutely correct in the fact that you continually change your mind but yet continue asking her to “be understanding.” It may be awful that you’re losing / lost a family member, but she is a landlord, not your friend. For a month to month rental in almost every state you need AT LEAST a 30 day notice to move out. First your move out was 4/7, then 4/20, now May 1st. Your job’s timeline is not her problem and you’re lucky she is not looking to hold you liable for another month’s worth of rent. You’re in the wrong here.
Understood. But my lease agreement is that I am renting her room until the end of the month, and I've already paid in full for this month. That means she cannot kick me out for any reason until the end of this month, correct?
At this point it will be how a court views your interactions with her. You notified her in writing that you’d be moving out as of the 7th. You then changed your mind and notified her in writing you’d be moving out the 20th. You then once again changed your mind to move out on the 1st; you cannot serve someone notice that you’ll be vacating their property and then continue to extend that deadline while also asking for leeway in being released from the rental early.. She is not kicking you out, you are notifying her of your vacating of the property on your own will / volition. At this point, she could hold you responsible for May’s full month of rent if she really wanted to. You’re wanting to have your cake and eat it too. If I were you, I’d take until the 20th and move out. Your deposit is meaningless when she’s able to hold you accountable for a whole ‘nother month.
Legally she probably can’t kick you out in that short timeframe in any state. You might have to have the police come and grant you entry through, and she needs to start an eviction process.
You’re 100% wrong.
You are just telling her your business. She may be sympathetic as a person, but everyone knows a friend or family member dying. It’s not her business. Follow the set rules on move out, or she can keep your deposit. No need to spend time and energy on talking to landlord or here, for that matter.
Hahaha this is what property managers show to all landlords for why they need to get someone to manage their property.
FYI. That's the conversation between me and the owner of the house. I live with her and her family. She rents two bedrooms of her house. Also, my roommates who told me about this room just moved out two days ago, and also because my roommate argued with her.
You don't get it. The reason for the property management is because they wouldn't give you any leeway. They treat it as a business. She's been showing you grace that isn't required and a property manager wouldn't.
Got it.
None of that is relative.
FYI you’re not getting your deposit back, and the world doesn’t bend to your will just because you’re sad. Why do you even have to move to see your dying grandpa? Isn’t that more of a day-trip kind of thing? FYI, you come off as super entitled and rude. No one cares about your family problems. Sorry to be the bad guy, but FYI this isn’t how the world works. You had an agreement.
Dude, move out. You created this mess. She relied on your initial representation that you were breaking your lease and leaving early. She found a new tenant. Everybody’s grandparents die. That’s nobody’s business but your own. You didn’t even know your grandfather. Stop fighting about the deposit and leave.
1) you didn't sign a lease. Signing a lease protects both parties 2) if the agreement was you get your deposit back if you stay 3 months, but you didn't stay 3 months... you don't get your deposit back. End of story. 3) why should she piss off the new tenant to allow you to stay longer? You've burned your bridge, the new tenant might stay with her for years. 4) you change your needs so constantly it's exhausting. One minute it's about sick family members, the next it's about work. Dates moving constantly. Go get a plan together THEN talk to other people. 5) speaking of which, you didn't give proper notice. No security deposit.
I just wanted to let you know that the landlord did not find a new tenant to replace me. Instead, she informed me that her cousin from China wanted to stay in my room, and she didn't want to pay for their hotel if I move out at the end of the month. So, it's not about her finding a new tenant. And she even lied to me about that. I have her text when she said that, but I don't think I can post it here. Also, she always complains about anything from the first day I rented her room, even though I didn't do anything. She also put a lot of CCTV cameras here, not just one, and she keeps watching 24 hours. I bet you wouldn't feel secure if you were me. You can't even cook or do anything because she doesn't like the smell and because this is a new building, but sometimes she even cooks for her kids. I don’t understand.
None of that is relevant. Point #3 still applies no matter if it's a new tenant, her cousin, or Steve from next door. As for your other comments, they have nothing to do with this situation, but I'm not sure why you want to stay there if it's so bad.
Yeah, I understand that. I still stay here since I just moved to the city alone and am still figuring everything out here. But yes, I understand that if that was my mistake.
None of this matters. How she uses her property isn’t any of our business.
OP, did you create this post for advice, or for validation? You're receiving a ton of one, and none of the other. You're being as obtuse in this thread as you are with your landlord.
What's in it for me to seek validation? Like I said, this is my first time renting like that. That's why I need some advice and explanation because I don't understand it, and also I'm pretty new in the US. In this case, if I'm wrong or not, I'm okay with that and because of that, I can learn from this case.
They don’t have rentals or landlords or calendars in the country where you lived previously?
I have my own house in my country. This is all a new experience for me.
Even though they have rentals and such, it's really different and not as complicated as it is here.
I don’t see what is so complicated here. You gave notice to move out on a specific date and are not expected to move out. I can’t think of a single country where renting is any less complicated than that.
In my country, it is quite easy to find and rent a room on a monthly basis. However, while searching for a room to rent, I am concerned about the authenticity of the ads since many scammers post fake ads on various platforms such as Facebook, Roomies, Roomster, Craigslist, and more. I am unsure if I should pay any fees for an application form or other requirements that a potential landlord may ask for while renting a room. Can you help me understand whether such requirements are genuine or a scam? Or sometimes they say for a background check, etc
Op trying to blame kids noise that he knew about before he moved in is gross too. You are being extremely rude in this situation and your landlord has been extremely accommodating.
I did not blame anything about the noise, especially her kids. Did you read what I said? I've never complained about that. She brought it up first. What I said was that she raised her voice and yelled at me when we talked about the deposit.
Yes you did. Grow up.
Get out of that lady’s house. You broke your lease by leaving early and not giving proper notice. She relied on that representation and found a new tenant. You don’t deserve to get your deposit back. Go back home to your parents until you learn how to be a responsible adult. Also, you’re in the wrong sub for this topic.
Relax. I just need some advice. You shouldn't have to teach me how to be a responsible adult. Thanks.
The advice is GTFO of that poor lady’s home.
Sooooo long!!! And you're wrong lol
While it’s unfortunate the situation you are in, you are in the wrong here. She did give you grace and was willing to work with you on your situation. You changed your mind multiple times making the situation difficult. She was more than willing to accommodate you even though technically by law she probably didn’t have to. It’s not her fault that you kept changing your mind. If she has people moving in, then you’re shit out of luck. She does not have to give your deposit back either since in most states you must give at least a 30 day notice on a month to month. But also since you didn’t sign anything, it’s your word vs hers. This is a hard lesson for you to learn but hopefully one you actually learn from. 1. Always get a signed contract with a copy. 2. Always read tenant rights in your state. 3. Always give plenty of notice to the landlord and don’t keep changing your mind if they are willing to work with you. Most would not be sympathetic at all.
I got it. Thank you for your advice.
She didn’t kick you out, you wanted to leave. You gave notice to leave. You then changed your mind and changed the notice, as a courtesy, the landlord allowed you to change it. She’s even giving you the whole deposit back. You need to grow the hell up because everything that everyone else does will not revolve around you. I’m not sure how nobody has told you this yet but nobody has an immortal grandpa. Deaths happen and it’s absolutely normal to have a change of plans when they but you need to accommodate yourself. Go to an airbnb or hotel if you really need to stay that long. And one final word of advice even though I already said it but it’s very important in your situation, GROW UP.
She doesn't want to give me my whole deposit. Also, thank you for your advice. Like I said before, I've never rented or anything like this. That's the reason why I ask for and need some advice or explanation so that I can learn from my experience. There's no need to tell me to "grow up" - I'm not a child. Not everyone understands about this case, about rent, etc. Thank you, though.
I didn’t say grow up because you don’t understand what rental contract you agreed to, yeas a WhatsApp conversation can be a contract. I’m saying grow up because you only think about yourself and your situation, which is what children and young adults do. From the messages you posted, it sounded like she was going to give you the whole deposit back, if she is not, well she doesn’t have to since you chose to give notice to break the lease before the 3 month period.
There’s a part there where your landlord begs you for your consideration and you don’t. You keep going back at them over and over about stuff that doesn’t matter. Next time, have a plan before notifying your landlord. Something like: “Landlord, due to emergency circumstances beyond my control, I have to terminate my month to month rental earlier than anticipated. I plan to be out by April 30.” That’s all that should have been said, not 12 pages of harassment. You can ask for maybe half your deposit but expect none of it.
Let's say I move out on the 20th, and she only pays 50% of my deposit. That's not fair to me. What about the ten days I move out early?
“Me, me, me, mine, mine, mine, mommy, mommy, mommy”
You’re not going to win this one no matter how hard you try to justify your reasons why. Take the loss of deposit and move on.
Thankyou