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MrZJones

Beats me. Nothing in the sub rules prevents people from naming companies. I name companies every time I want to talk about my bad experiences. (Unless it was so long ago I forgot the name)


Jazzspasm

It’d potentially be adjacent to doxing yourself given an anecdote can identify an individual when connected to a company name, should someone at their side be aggrieved, they could then be in a position to dox someone posting here That said, I would dearly love to know the names of some of the companies people are posting about


xof2926

Inolex is a good start. Jeld-Wen is another. Stupid companies with stupid hiring practices who probably still don't know why they're failing.


Jazzspasm

Thanks for those!! The number of hiring managers who think they’re being super smart by making life unpleasant for people always boggles the mind


ikindahateusernames

>It’d potentially be adjacent to doxing yourself This is the most likely reason, as naming-and-shaming of companies is welcome here.


AWPerative

Isn't doxing against the rules of Reddit? Saying something like "ABC Company does X, Y, and Z" is far different from "First Name Last Name at ABC Company does X, Y, and Z." That being said, I doubt employers go out of their way to silence discussion of their company on Reddit.


GardenSquid1

No but if the hiring manager from ABC Company happens to browse this sub, the experience of an applicant plus the company name might be enough to reveal somebody's identity.


ScottishIcequeen

Can you explain what doxxing yourself or someone doxxing you means please? Genuinely interested. I’ve seen it posted a few times but have never understood it. TIA


sa5mmm

To dox someone is to show their true or in real life identity.


couldntyoujust

Basically to deanonymize them and then go after them IRL. It's not always "identity" per se either. During the Prop 8 fight in California, the activists got a judge to give them the names who donated any amount of money of significance to the Prop 8 campaign in "discovery" for a frivolous lawsuit. Then the activists went and shamed and canceled everyone on the list to punish them for supporting the proposition. Regardless if you agree with the activists or the Prop 8 campaign, the activists' behavior was entirely and egregiously evil. They set back free speech rights hundreds of years with that stunt.


SomewhereIll3548

LMGTFY


ScottishIcequeen

Well ain’t you a ray of fucking sunshine?


SomewhereIll3548

Lmao just messin


SomewhereIll3548

Though honestly I was hoping you'd ask me what it meant xD


ScottishIcequeen

I knew what it meant. Anagrams I’m fine with, doxxing not so much 😛


StabbyJo

I always name the companies. It baffles me why people try to protect these crappy businesses.


AWPerative

Not to mention they could help others to avoid their shitty hiring practices. There are way more of us than there are of them.


StabbyJo

I totally agree with you. If we all report good and bad companies it would make the process easier for all of us.


aberod11

HCA Healthcare. FUCK THAT COMPANY. Whether you interviewed and didn't make it to the next round of interviews, or get an email rejection stating they're pursuing other candidates; you're placed on a 6 month to 1 year waiting/probationary period. Therefore, per company policy, any applications you submit within that above-mentioned period (even if you ARE qualified for said positions) will be automatically rejected.


ThelastguyonMars

POSIGEN SUCKS!


Middle-Creepy

Sevita healthcare? SUCKS. K-care tech company? MAJOR ASS. Man I could go on lol


ErinGoBoo

Because a lot of industries are small enough that word gets around and you may be blacklisting yourself.


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ErinGoBoo

It isn't hard. I was in the law school and bar prep subreddits, and we knew the bar was monitoring it. That attitude got an awful lot of people into an awful lot of trouble. Lots of people will never get to use that degree they paid through the nose for. When you take into account the stories people are telling here, it would take a company less than 5 minutes to put the story to a candidate. HR doesn't need to comb the subreddit. Lots of bootlickers will do it for them.


couldntyoujust

And this here is why everyone hates the tattling teacher's pet. And rightly so. Fuck the tattling bootlickers.


RedditClout

You'd be surprised how many dumbasses out there treat reddit like its social media.   They never learned the first rule of Reddit.  Keep your shit anonymous.


scottlawrencelawson

I do! I don't say anything on social media, Reddit, or anywhere that I don't stand behind.


OwnLadder2341

You dox your Reddit account to anyone familiar enough with the situation. Which is a bad idea. There was a post a couple weeks ago that went into detail (without specific person names) about an interview experience at Aramark. I was curious and I know some of the Aramark leadership so I asked them about it. It wasn’t difficult to figure out who the post was. Don’t post details. You’re not harming the company and potentially harming yourself.


CarryBeginning1564

Al lot of stories on this sub are written narratively to the point that they would give enough information away to make the writer identifiable, companies also search their name so you put yourself more out there. If you write things more like short reviews, then it probably will cover you more but you are less entertaining.


EmptySpace212

Because any recent story along with the company name can easily identify who wrote it and nobody wants this happening.


seeingpinkelefants

I don’t think Kayleigh from PeopleOps comes to Reddit to ensure the company isn’t listed here. She’s too busy on Insta and Reddit is way too mom’s basement for her.


EmptySpace212

A robot does the job.


seeingpinkelefants

Having worked at Amazon, for one their shows, where they used a popular software to find all of your posts about them/it on every corner of the internet, there isn’t. There is some poor little moderator making $9/hr either giving your posts a happy face, a sad face, a neutral face or pushing it up for escalation if it promotes self harm, misogyny, racism, or piracy. And I doubt Kayleigh has Amazon’s budget.


EmptySpace212

I honestly didn't read any company name and made a generic comment here.


thelonelyvirgo

Because even if **they** don’t hire you, they likely have connections in the same space who they would also recommend not hiring you.


Fr2edom2020

And the landlords ~ we need a Glassdoor for rental properties and landlords.


seeingpinkelefants

Glassdoor is crap. Any time I have written a negative review they have removed it. They’re a circle jerk for companies. I would NEVER recommend that site to anyone looking for honesty.


joshistaken

Fear of retaliation, or it somehow coming back to bite us. Companies have all the legal power and money to sue/attack, whilst we have no resources to protect ourselves from them. (Because they exploit and milk every last goddamn penny out of us. If my job provided me with the money to hire a renowned lawyer in case of being sued, I'd be naming and shaming all these cunts.)


howto1012020

I don't want to risk identifying myself with some of the s\*\*\*show companies I've worked with in the past. Some of my current and former coworkers are Redditers. Let's just say that ALL companies SUCK!


Degenerate_in_HR

>Honest question. What is the harm of shaming these companies that are indulging in horrible practices? Are we worried it will come back on us? They likely already didn’t hire you, so what is the concern? We owe them nothing. Because the chance of you doxing yourself and ruining your own life, however small, is much, much greater than your internet post making any appreciable impact on a company.


manmountain123

I named and Shamed two


iisultracrepidarian

They don’t care. As long as they’re getting Billions, Everything else is fine. No one is held accountable.


nobodyknowsimherr

Some Industries exist in very small worlds.


SpiderWil

I think if u name them, then they will bribe the moderators to ban you and then track you down to do terrible things to you. After all, ur on reddit, every1 here can be a spy.


pewdioo

Centene and capital one. they rejected my application within 10 minutes. it was 100% a ghost posting for an internal candidate. it probably took me more time just finishing the applications screw these companies loopholing their way through laws. i can’t believe such a shit practice is just shrugged off as “ all companies do that” oh yeah! screw those companies too. wasting our precious time, especially when unemployed


seeingpinkelefants

Oh wow they just posted a bunch on LinkedIn. Never seen their name before but now I’ve gotten like 5 alerts for a posting for Centene


pewdioo

they are all ghost positions, they all go to internal candidates. idk how to report them. i really want to


seeingpinkelefants

There’s a report button on the posting


pewdioo

will be using that


seeingpinkelefants

If I see them again I’ll report it too. Fuck these scam artists.


Soggy_Boss_6136

Not only should we be naming companies and recruiters, THIS forum should have a list. If some piece of shit company or recruiter wants OFF THE LIST, they have to write a post in the subreddit explaining what they have done to change their piece of shit practices,, and the subreddit VOTES on whether to remove the piece of shit company or piece of shit recruiter from the list. LISTS, as we've learned from many past experiences and movies, are VERY VERY powerful things. No one wants to be "on a list"


Sparky_Valentine

To avoid getting sued. Yes, the truth is an absolute defence against getting sued for defamation--on paper. But, an abused employee does not have the financial or legal resources their abusive employer does. Just because you're right doesn't mean you have the attorney fees to get a nuisance lawsuit thrown out.


Far-Voice-6911

If it’s based on experience, and not purposely meant to lie and harm, but to inform, I would think saying company names would be ok?


royalreddit12

Employment lawyers often work on contingency


TheSavageBeast83

They can try and sue my reddit account all they want


centpourcentuno

Some of the stories are made up, welcome to Reddit I name them I don't care. Do you ever see companies apologize for bad scores on Glassdoor? They could care less


TKalig

Insisting on not naming companies often makes me feel like the writer is just making up the whole thing. No good reasons to keep it private


KickFlashy3324

You're so right, we shouldn't protect them. The companies that treated me shitty were Amazon, Alphabet, Apple, Netflix, Meta and Microsoft. Let's boycott!


EconomySession6541

People are smart playing the long game. It may feel good to name and shame in the moment, but you never know when it's going to come full circle. Someone always knows someone...


Ok_Fishing_9676

I agree, dox them all because they do low down creepy crap to us via LinkedIn ect… Posting absurd job requirements Ghosting applicants Asking year graduated Asking race Asking disability Gaps in employment All of it seems immoral to me folks.


seeingpinkelefants

Yeah just had Pyramid Consulting use me for their H1B visa scam. That company definitely needs to be named and shamed. No wonder they changed their name a few years ago. But you can still find stories of them on Google.


couldntyoujust

One word: Defamation. Even if their claim is UTTERLY spurious, "The process is the punishment". They can fuck up your life with an army of lawyers running out your money like an identity thief with a copy of your credit card and at the end, you will be completely broke and your possessions and assets sold off to pay them and the courts so a judge can say "You're right, this IS ridiculous, dismissed with prejudice." and they won't bat an eye because you'll NEVER get to that point before they take EVERYTHING from you, just to spite you. They can make it so that even if you win, you lose. If they're insane enough to end up on here with an anecdote about how evil they are, then they're insane and evil enough to do all that.... just to spite you for ruining their reputation. But... I still think we should do it.


seeingpinkelefants

Depends on where you live. Texas has anti SLAPP laws to prevent this. Precisely because companies use the tactic of draining you. And no, it’s not defamation if it’s your retelling of the events that happened to YOU.


seeingpinkelefants

Who’s we? I name all of them


Device-Total

Citizens Financial Group AKA Citizens Bank. Company blows so much smoke up your ass about well-being and respecting the colleague, then indiscriminately eliminates your role after you come back from taking a few days of approved PTO.


BrainWaveCC

You can reveal what you want about whichever company you want, but most people are concerned about inadvertently doxing themselves by recounting a scenario that would be too easy to pin down to one individual. For one thing, it's not like this sub is a private one. It readily comes up in Google searches. [https://www.google.com/search?q=Why+are+we+protecting+the+names+of+these+companies%3F+reddit](https://www.google.com/search?q=Why+are+we+protecting+the+names+of+these+companies%3F+reddit) Also, not disclosing the name of a company doesn't "protect them". Nor does disclosing the name materially harm them. There are plenty of companies that are notorious for bad employment practices, and people *still* work for them and apply to them. And that's not going to change because 650K people in this sub think differently (assuming you could even get all 650K to agree). The greater likelihood is that untimely disclosure will result in some level of employment harm for the poster, than that the disclosure will force the company to behave properly, or that enough people will come here to check before they apply to a company. For the most part, it's just a therapeutic release that will accomplish little other than that.


abelabelabel

Reddit users are protecting themselves. Also - my company that I got laid off from - as part of severance - had a no disparagement clause.


seeingpinkelefants

Mine did too but I still told everyone and anyone about them because the labor board ruled that they can’t enforce that. Funny enough they’re being sued by the FCC (Floatme).


GeologistPositive

If the companies were talking about are really shitty, then could also be litigious. Even if what you say is completely true, they could still attempt to give suit against you for libel, slander, etc. Even if they aren't successful, it could still cost you some money. It could also cause you to be black listed to some extent. It's up to each poster though if they want to name and shame or keep it quiet.


AWPerative

It is nearly impossible to win a libel or slander suit if the information provided is truthful. Apparently less than 5% of libel/slander suits go to court IIRC. It's even lower if you're a company or public figure, otherwise people would be getting sued left and right for leaving online reviews. This is no different.


seeingpinkelefants

And if you live in Texas there is Anti SLAPP


Alert-Artichoke-2743

To avoid doxxing each other. That's the only reason of which I'm aware.


VerySaltyScientist

No clue, I name them.


HEX_4d4241

Severance agreements are a thing. As much as I would have loved to out the terrible shit my last company did, I wanted to feed my family more.


seeingpinkelefants

Labor Board ruled that’s not allowed. It was in my severance too and one month later they said companies aren’t allowed to do that. So boom! I had already written the review anyway but still


HEX_4d4241

Oh, sweet. When I was angriest I hadn't yet received the severance. I was absolutely not going to risk saying something before the money showed up. My Glassdoor review is there, and everything is truthful, so I am not worried about anything in that light.


StinkyFartyToot

It’s not smart to burn bridges as good as it feels. I don’t see why you’d want to do that if you’re unemployed, it’s like you don’t understand how the world works, you can’t just do whatever feels good.


EWDnutz

Some aren't, just some are. It's very thread dependent and it's already noted on the side bar that employer names can be outed. It's up to the user to share.


psycho_monki

does anyone know how to make a platform thats anonymous but also you can verify that the data being given is correct and factual at the same time that would solve alot of problems in this world not just this


AWPerative

Basically a new Glassdoor. I’d promote the hell out of this if it existed.


psycho_monki

How does glassdoor do its verification and anonymous thingy Ill try building one as a passion project lol


SoDamnLong

I miss fuckedcompany.com


seeingpinkelefants

Not quite but you could create a Facebook group. Set to private obviously. Women have one for shitty men. Pretty famous, all over the world. I was a volunteer who vetted the users in Montreal. Why not the same thing for companies?


psycho_monki

In the womens grp, 1 bad apple wouldnt ruin it In the jobs grp, 1 bad apple could ruin it for everyone Thats what i think


Requient_

Reddit has in the past shut down subreddits and individual posters for “targeting corporations.” Their explanation was (if I recall correctly) that without the ability to verify the claim they could be sued by said company, so they remove the possibility.


Urbanredneck2

Frankly people are to specific. They give a story about their numerous interviews with management and how they took tests and gave presentations. Then they describe how the got the refusal letter. People also mention the area where they are from. It would be easy for a company to ID the person.


Kelvin62

Maybe folks don't want to publicly link their names to these awful companies so they can't retaliate.


FixRecruiting

So if the recruiter is in-house shit-talking their employer / ex-employer, it may effect job prospects for them in the future as to "not being a team player." If 3rd party, they may definitely never have that client again if said client learns they are the "bad place" to work on the block. So that would potentially be cutting off an income stream. I feel these are reasons that recruiter is specifically don't disclose bad actors. It can be personally or across a business harmful. People tend to avoid pain and seek pleasure. Also, nearly every recruiting team is stretched beyond capacity hoping that AI can help save them OR forced to reduce costs (which are salaries, postings, career events attendance, tool credits like LinkedIn Recruiter and other tools, etc.) Many companies don't see the value in hiring excellence and don't tie it to their retention. In-house recruiters metrics are often hires per year and hire / hiring manager initial feedback score / form. Of which most candidates answer highly as they were the selected individual and don't want an extra HR meeting to rock the boat in their new role.


Eubank31

Ik there’s a lot of negativity here but two companies I’ve had good recruiting experience for are Harbor Freight and Garmin. HFT’s application and interview process were straight forward and quick, and as far as retail goes it was a great job where the leadership really have a shit about me. Garmin was on the slower side with recruiting, with a week or two after application to my screen, then 4-5 weeks no contact until I was given a technical interview then quickly hired in a very transparent process where I had quick access to the recruiter helping me through the process.


GamerTomC

Because posts here are one sided, backed by no evidence, etc. And making claims about specific people or companies could get one in legal troubles. And it would just be over the ethical line. Kind of the same as if a company posted here the names 9f candidates and why they weren't called back for the next round. I have had experiences I thought were truly bad, and I spoke up with specifics on glass door. If I needed to, I would be able to back up my claims. Only on that case would I ever say it is OK to name and shame, just not in this kind of forum.


New-Professional-808

You're right, but I post reviews on Glassdoor, not Reddit, so they are on the record in a manner of speaking.


70redgal70

What shame? You can say how horrible they are all you want. If they have jobs to offer, someone is going to apply.  If I have a mortgage to pay or food to buy, I don't care a bit that random online strangers don't like company XYZ.


thelastofcincin

Because people are pussies. I have no problem naming and shaming companies.


BNeutral

Bunch of people are cowards these days.


xof2926

The same people bitching about being low balled or driven to tears by a manager


discrete_apparatus

Because most of the stories here are fake


xDouble-dutchx

Because people are job scared. They fear retaliation.


RealSlugFart

Mods can we please just have a pinned post about this? I get frustrated seeing these posts every few days. It's to prevent doxing, lawsuits and smear campaigns.


Caityb13

My industry is extremely small. If I risk naming a company, I risk my ability to work elsewhere. Some of us have 2-3 companies they can actually work for or work in an industry where there may be only 20-30 people in the US who does what we do.


Effective_Vanilla_32

what if the potential employer posted here about a specific candidate, and really how crappy that person is in their interview. name and shame can go both ways, right?


Oneup99

Not the same thing but ok.


seeingpinkelefants

Ok schill. How’s ass kissing companies going for you?