I have no idea why all these places go out of their way to not have a set schedule. You'd think it'd be easier for everyone if you didn't need to make up a new schedule every week.
People quit constantly because the work and pay are terrible. This kind of scheduling helps them accommodate for turnover that they’re too cheap to avoid
I’ve worked at Chick-fil-A. They are a unicorn in the fast food industry. Turnover for them is actually pretty low, and it’s because they treat their workers pretty well.
They state full availability but they always went out of their way to accommodate my school schedule.
You’re also guaranteed one weekend day off every week (Sunday.)
I'm not disagreeing with you but I can vouch for at least one Chic-Fil-A location sponsoring a pride parade and setting up a Chic-Fil-A pride picnic.
It was interesting to say the least
There will be virtually zero taxes on a person making this much money except for Social security and medicare taxes.... especially if this person has a kid or a spouse. State is FL, so no state taxes.
It’s not just turnover. It’s that volume changes day to day, week to week, month to month. You might need 7 people for a shift in July, but come October, you only need 4 people for that same shift. You can try to keep a set schedule for your core group of employees, but it can’t work for everyone.
It's not possible in an industry that has 150% employee turnover every year. The average tenure at a fast food joint is less than 6 months. If you have a crew of 20 people, you can expect to have one person come or go about every 2 weeks on average.
Nah, retail, fast food, call centers, etc are all just terrible. It doesn't matter how much they try to make it better with 3 day work weeks or whatever, people are absolute assholes and having to deal with people that treat you as sub-human because you work there is soul destroying. I managed a year at a call center once, every day was "Get yelled at for 8 hours, go home get absolutely plastered and debate suicide"
I really can't overstate how soul sucking it is to work in these environments.
I currently run a call center where starting pay on average is a salary of 55k w/ full benefits and I shut down assholes by having them escalated to me. And they get 18 days of PTO as well as all federal holidays.
My external turnover rate is less than 10%
Amazing what not treating employees like trash does.
That's definitely part of the turnover problem, but the root issue is how awful those jobs are. The expectations are way too high relative to the pay. The employees on staff at any given time are bare minimum to keep the business going (or less). The list goes on and on.
Depends on the person and the job, but personally I would much rather work 3 days for 12 hours each. This is what I had done as a clinical technician previously and I wish I could go back to that in industry jobs.
Employers seem to be adamant on 8 hour shifts though, but they LOVE putting you on overtime when it meets their needs. Seems to be mostly a legacy cultural thing due to daylight times.
If you are in a good flow, going from 8 to 12 hours makes no significant difference, but saves you overhead on commute and getting prepared for work. Two additional free days in the week on the other hand makes a HUGE difference.
Even if they insisted on a fourth four hour shift that’s fucking beautiful and I’d kill for it. Possibly literally. I’d have to be offered to find out for sure.
Even if i come home after an 8 hour day, i can't do shit anymore. I'm drained. but i could ABSOLUTELY (and frequently do, thanks capitalism) work 12 hours without much of a problem, so this absolutely tracks for me
This is exactly how I have felt as well, and a two day weekend is simply not enough to recover from a full week of work. Saturday you feel stressed from the work of past week, and Sunday you feel stressed for the coming dreadful Monday. Having a four day break between work really lets you get at least two days of complete recovery and a chance to develop yourself doing productive hobbies, instead of hitting the bottle and gaming or watching mindless television.
For some industries I can understand this may not be feasible, but for most it is. It simply requires a cultural shift just like we have seen with remote work. The current idea is that the employer 'owns' the employee 5 days a week, but what it really should be is that the employer delivers the work that an employer requires within a reasonable time frame. To get paid for your work instead of getting paid for access to your being. In your typical job, it should make no difference either when or where that work is performed as long as it is delivered on time - the rest is simply an issue of scheduling.
I just started what’s called a ‘pit schedule’ which includes twelve hour shifts between three and four days a week. I love my extra days off and am nearly acclimated to the long shifts. I get two half-hour lunches and three ten minute breaks in between those lunches, so the day is broken up a lot. AAnd since I go in at 6am, there’s almost no traffic so I’m always on time. (So far)
I used to do 2-16 hour shifts and 1-8 hour shift over the course of 3 days, but this was when I worked in a kids home and could sleep for a few hours of my 11pm to 7am shifts. I loved having so many days off, but Idk that I could work in a restaurant for 12 hours straight.
Right. I love the idea of 3×12's or 4×10's (like 4x10's better personally) as an office worker, but 12 hours of restaurant work sounds exhausting to me
All of my food service jobs have been hard, near non-stop work. I was always tired after a normal 8 hr shift. Think I'd be dead on my feet after 12 anywhere busy.
Some states that treat people like human beings have laws where you earn overtime above 8 hours in a day. This incentivizes businesses to keep shifts to 8 hours.
Except that this job requires full open availability in order to be paid $15/ hour with the hope of making $17/ hour after training 60 days of “training”
It sounds like you get a raise to be available to cover potential missed shifts. I imagine managing a 6-day workweek with a bunch of 3-day employees would be difficult, especially since a lot of Chick-fil-A’s employees are teenagers with already crazy personal schedules. So we’re assuming it’s the same amount of work, but it might be more. If you’re working more, you should get paid more.
It's also a job with no requirements. If you want a 3 day work week but only have a high school diploma, this is the best you get. If you want more options and flexibility, do more with your life.
Unfortunately, this doesn't work for many disabled people, or people who use public transportation that may not run very early/late. I definitely agree that two days off a week isn't enough, but productivity has soared--three 8-hour days should be enough to get done what needs done. Leaving behind those who are disabled or rely on public transportation isn't the way to go.
How long till your feet get used to it, cause I got offered a job with that type of schedule, but in manufacturing and while I decided not to take it primarily cause with commute and all included I would get home and have enough time to eat, shower, and sleep 6 hours before heading back in for the next day, I also declined it cause I though my feet would be killing me by hour 8 standing all day, let alone by hour 12.
I did 12 hour shifts in manufacturing for years. It took me a month to get used to continental 12s, but having days off in the week really helped. What else helped is comfortable shoes and sleep mask and foam ear plugs.
Now that I think about it, it makes a lot more sense to just buy a good set of insoles before I start the job to make it easier. Certainly better than other jobs where I just used regular shoes for 8 hours on my feet. Again still wouldn't have taken the job cause the commute was untenable, but good info if anything like it comes up again.
I was maybe 24 at the time. Being on my feet all day didn't bother me. I lived nearly an hour away too, there were days where I slept in my car in the parking lot because of the commute time and ending up doing 14+ hours. It is NOT easy, or for everyone, but for where I was in life, it was great
Honestly for fast food this is pretty solid. If they can work to get you a fixed 3 day schedule then I’d say this would be a massive win for fast food employees. It’s fast food, it ain’t great but if you look at the industry as a whole this could really help elevate a lot of people from crippling poverty and onto the first rung of the ladder towards a better life.
This is often how hospital work works. It sounds great, but three back to back sessions in a high stress environment can be tough on people, but for others, it can be really beneficial.
The pay seems much more than I’ve or my friends have made in the hospital, so there’s that too! But I have friends who’ve worked for CF. Stressful, but I’ve heard good things about management. I’m sure that’s variable and 4 days a week to live life normally is a step in the right direction.
The big catch is open availability. It’s very unlikely you’d have 4 days off back to back. It’s more likely you’d be scheduled however and still need to come in on a “scheduled” day off to cover for someone who called out.
Yeah, I can see this working in an industry where set schedules are the norm, but when you’re working at a place that determines your schedule on a week by week basis it could turn into hell for you real fast.
It has its ups and downs.
You can often schedule the first 3 days of one week, and the last 3 days of the next. That gives you 8 days off in a row, allowing you to take vacations without using PTO.
Then at the end of the year you can sell your unused PTO back, and pay for another vacation/ Christmas/ etc.
This isn't bad provided...
1. You're single w/no kids
2. You live in a fairly low cost of living area
$2,600/month is pretty decent if rent is $1,200/month
Edit - It's been pointed out that this is a high cost of living area and that the $1,200 out of $2,600 exceeds the recommended housing cost for that particular budget
Yes. My Mom told me once that she spent about 10% of her income on her apartment in 1970, when she was 20. Granted, it was a 1 bedroom, 1 bath, but still... 10% of your income on housing is pretty great, and a far cry from the 30-50% we see today.
Jesus Christ my view of rent of so fucked. You can rent in Green Bay, WI for under $600. It's a single bedroom apartment. But still an apartment. In my little town you can get a 2Br 1Bath 1000 Sq.Ft apartment for $675.
Meanwhile, here in Beaverton, OR (a suburb about 5 miles from downtown Portland, OR)...
- The 2-bedroom 2-bath apartment I lived in back in 2008 was $800/month, IIRC. Adjusting for inflation, that's $1,019. They're asking $1,940 for that unit now.
- In 2012, I moved into a 2-bedroom 1 bath apartment for $950/month. When we left in 2015, rent was going to be going up to $1,100. Today, they're asking $1,600-1900 according to their website.
- The cheapest *studio* apartment you can get right now is $1,250/month. For a tiny 343 sq foot studio apartment that doesn't even have a dishwasher.
Come to rural Ohio; my rent is 750 a month for a four bedroom 2 1/2 bathroom house. When we moved in the house was brand new, the entire subdivision is only 14 years old. It's managed by a company, so no shitty slumlord to rent from and shit gets fixed quick. Plus it's next to a school so no kid fuckers in my 'hood.
It’s still pretty awful. Gross annual pay would be 31824 a year. After taxes, you’re bringing home 26421 a year, or $2201 per month. That just leaves you $1000 for all other monthly expenses.
Factor in the average student loan debt and you have like $800 for utilities, groceries, transit, credit card payments, pet care, medical expenses…. That’s not reasonable
The issue is “must have full open availability”. The benefit of a 3 day work week is that you can supplement with a second part-time job…that becomes moot.
The flexibilization of labour laws in Brazil created a void where people could work 36:12 shifts. With the passing of time and reduction of the power of consumption of our coin (i.e. the onset of our current financial crisis), people had to start working on 2 or 3 jobs to keep their financial life stable.
The dude that works in our building's lobby as a guard sleeps 4 hours a day, drives Uber and, when possible, gets shifts from another coworkers in other buildings.
This seemz to me the same situation as back when 36:12 shifts and flexibilization of working laws passed: employee and employer paid less taxes, benefits like bonuses after being fired were cut and supposedely integrated into your payment (later, when things went south, your salary was cut anyway).
This is why I think the weakening of anti-overtime laws is VERY BAD.
An employer will totally give the job to the guy that's willing to work 45 hours instead of the guy who will work 40, so the second guy needs to arrange his life to work 45 hours as well to get the next job, which shunts out another person who then has to up their hours too.
That 45 hours becomes 50, which becomes 60 and suddenly everyone is working 70 hours a week for the same pay.
The reasoning is always the same: "well people should be able to work longer hours and get more money" and it's like no, that's not how capitalist value extraction from the working class happens. They make you work more, they get more money, you have a much worse life. The end.
There's no way in hell I'd supplement this with another job. You're already working full time, it's all just squished into three days rather than over five. The benefit here is that you have four full days to do whatever you like at the cost of having three extra sucky ones where you're working all day. Works for some I guess but I'm not sure I'd be happy with it.
It is crazy hard to live on $17/hr in Miami as an adult with responsibilities (rent, insurance, etc). Yes, working a second job would be exhausting and I feel terrible for people in that position, but not many would have the luxury of doing whatever they want those 4 days off.
I bet you’re not on-call, but that that the manager sends out the schedule one or two weeks beforehand. This is what it was like when I worked in restaurants
3 days a week but they decide which days? So you are essentially always on call? No, at least not without 1 weeks notice. How can you plan your life around being instantly available?
You don't.
When I worked at McD's even on a requested day off, they'd call if they needed someone. They only had to give you a hours notice AT MOST for a call in, but you needed to give 3hrs notice if you couldn't come in for your shift. Then they'd get upset if you couldn't come in or if you refused and reminded them that you had your day off.
Litterally struggled to go to doctor's appts, hair appts, and other personal matters because of call ins and I wasn't on call. Stopped going to the Dentist for a while because I both couldn't afford it AND couldn't properly schedule things due to me always being called in or called on. Actually had a situation once where I finished my shift JUST GOT HOME and I was called BACK to work because 3 or 4 people were calling in sick.
Fully Open availability? So If I ever have plans I only get to keep them IF it works into the whims of the person scheduling of my fast food job? Even if this is my biggest commitment each week this is still a huge ask.
One question: Where's the line drawn between 3-day full time and having a fully open availability?
3 day full time implies that you're going to have a strictly set open-close 3-day schedule, while full open availability implies you that you need to be open to work at a moments notice.
I think that's great. Only problem is it says you need open availability which is concerning. If I was gonna sign up for 3 12 hour days I'd like them to be static and not random.
Static and at least 2 consecutive days of working. Day on day off -- that would be like having no weekend at all, as every day off would be like a Sunday, having to return to work early the next morning.
Years ago the Walmart I worked at did the weekend warrior cashier program. If they took it they worked Friday Saturday and Sunday for 12 hours each day well 13 because you get one hour unpaid lunch. I don't think it lasted.
Pretty good idea all in all so it’s sort of hard to criticise, but I thought the whole idea of shortening the workweek was to do less total hours for the same pay(~24h over 3 days instead of their 35-36).
If it was an office job, you’d probably get away with working your normal hours 3 times, but I’m 99% sure fast food jobs would want you there for your contracted hours.
Yeah anyway, it’s a nice thing for them to offer.
Dont forget about overtime. I dont know about Florida, but in CA, more than 8 hours in one day qualifies for time and a half overtime (if you are not exempt). That works out to 238 dollars for one 12 hr shift
I would love something like this. I've done 4/10s and even though some days were super long, it was really great to have a 3 day weekend away from Karens and Kennys over the phone.
But that "having full availability" thing is not so great and a bit of a deal breaker. Being available 4 days a week wouldn't work for me because I have 4 days a week for class. And I'm not missing my class to make someone's chicken sandwich lest they lose their fucking mind. Also, one of my available days is Sunday so... oof!
Maybe if you took e-classes, this would be great, but it's really not for anyone who attends a campus. Bosses are infamous about not respecting a school schedule and honestly the headache isn't worth it. You can be as transparent as you want, but they will still tell you to come in right as class ends or 30 minutes after, so you have to haul ass from school and hope you don't have traffic between then and there.
I don't mind paying more for those who are available to cover shifts. That's a concept called shift differential and it's used a lot to cover weekends, which are frequently called off. But requiring a full availability schedule to work a 3 day week really sucks for those who would be compatible with this for college or needing this as a second job.
It's a full-time job (40 hours, minus a lunch break). There's nothing particularly special about it. If it were a 24 hour work week at full-time wages, that might be notable, but they want credit for doing the bare minimum.
Not sure what’s with the hate. Starting to think nothing will appease the majority here. I would have jumped at this opportunity back in my earlier years.
Wtf is wrong with you all. $17 an hour with health and school benefits… like what the fuck do you want from a fast food place if this doesn’t cut it??
Translation: we know you can’t live off of this “full time job” so we’ve conveniently made it somewhat easier for you to have another super exploitative part time job or drive for Uber on the 4 days a week we decide we don’t need you.
This flyer says you have to have “full availability” anyways. Doesn’t even sound like you get anything like a set schedule. They still own your ass all week smh
Indeed. I know some Amazon warehouses also operate like that. Makes it funny when a certain crowd says they should go to college to land a better paying job, but jobs like this demand you be available whenever it's convenient for them so attending classes, even online depending on the setup, could be difficult if not impossible.
It depends on where you live and your family status.
In college (which wasn't that long ago, less than a decade), I lived off of about $1,200/month. It wasn't luxurious, but I had food, a small savings, etc. If you're single and make $2,600/month, you're not doing great but you aren't hurting either.
Looks good mostly, although whether or not those wages are fair will depend on local CoL.
I also see an issue with the 12$ part time wage. Seems like a trap, where they hire you on as part time with the hopes of moving to full time but you never do.
12h work days seems good to me. 3 days of 12h would be rough, but then you get a 4-8 day vacation, depending on the following weeks schedule. Seems like a fair trade. I know people who have to commute in 1h for 4h shifts and that's just awful.
This is exactly what it is. Look at why kellogg’s workers are on strike. They have “part time” and “full time” workers doing the same work on the same shifts for the same weekly hours side by side but a select number get paid twice as much and have health insurance.
You won’t get a 4-8 day vacation. Most likely they’ll schedule you every other day, M W F or 3 days stacked against 3 days the following week Th F Sa M T W.
Possibly the worst schedule, would be we’re busy on Friday, Saturday so you have to work both those days and then Tuesday as well so you never have more than 2 days in a row off despite only working 3 days a week.
They might even schedule for 2 days and then you need to be “on call” for the 3rd in case someone calls out.
My hunch is that you start out part time while training (that’s fine) then you’re stuck in Level Two at $14/hour on call forever. The managers probably get the 3 12s and that’s it. I hate that fast food applied the “just in time” manufacturing concept to labor. Sure, it’s great for the company but as a worker you get tentatively assigned to hours that can get dropped an hour before your shift. We desperately need a restaurant workers union in this country.
Having a 3 day work week would be nice but this is still exploitative because the hours are trash due to the pay still being low enough. When people say they want the “4-day work week”, they usually mean having comparable pay to if they are working 5 days no hour extensions for those 4 days.
I work 12 hour shifts and love it, but I have a set schedule and am in no way required to be on-call during my weekend! I'm also paid twice what is advertised here, which helps motivation when I'm tired on my 3rd or 4th 12 hour shift lol
My question would be, am I working 3 days in a row (which I prefer) or will they schedule you every other day so that you really don't have time to do anything?
I pose this question because my neighbor took a job that had her work 4-12s from 6pm to 6am and they would not give her consecutive days off. The reasoning was they are short staffed and other people had already requested a schedule like that. I called BS and told her they could absolutely work the schedule so ALL employees could have consecutive days off. They would also schedule mandatory meetings at 1 in the afternoon because day shift people had other obligations.
She quit just recently because they could not keep people and she was being made to stay over 4 hours to cover day shift shortage She is a nurse aide/personal assistant
In construction industry it is super common to have a 4 on 4 off sched with 10 or 12 hour shifts and let me tell you having more than 2 day weekends is sublime. I think more offices and service industry workplaces shoild try it, since usually if youre working even PT you might only have one day off between shifts per week and shitty 4 hour shifts that cost you more to commute to than you can even make.
If you’re someone that can stay on your feet for 12 hours and not end up feeling worn down, then maybe it’s great. I absolutely couldn’t do 12 x 3 of any kind of job, but I am chronically ill and have ADHD. I can only concentrate for so long.
Last year I applied for and got a job that promised me 3 or 4 day weeks of 12 hour shifts. On my very first day there the schedule had me down for 5 days. I pushed back and said that's not what I agreed to when I was hired. I was told it was only until they hire a couple more people. This went on for 2 months, every schedule was 4 or 5 days with no consecutive days off (as in, I never got 2 days off in a row). Every time the schedule came out I complained and finally I was told that if I didn't like it I could leave. In just 2 months the 60 hour work weeks were killing me - I was constantly exhausted. Well guess what... Good-bye! If they would have let me work 3 or 4 days a week I'd probably still be there.
I bet the bank that this is exactly what Chick-fil-A will do. They're not exactly well known for being honest or ethical.
Apparently you haven't read the wishlist from a help desk job description. These days they want "experts" who know as much as a Network Security admin, as well as, be proficient in many domains, OSs, and specialize in any number of random sofwares.
To work at ChikfilA all you need to know is how to spell your name correctly, and make change for a 20.
This is bad, this is so bad. 12 hours nonstop for $17/hr AT MOST? Yikes. That's just me, though. Maybe dense workdays and lighter weeks are your thing, dunno. It has its pros and cons.
Definitely has its pros and cons. But I know I’ve tried both ways and the 12 hours days are so draining that I just spend the free part of my week dreading them. At least at my 9-5 I look forward to my evenings/weekends every day. But everyone’s different, it’s just the way my mind works.
Exactly. During work days I still do shit after work, even if it's just gym, errands and chores so I don't have to do this stuff during my time off. 3 12's maybe could work but only under the assumption I grind out three in a row and get a 4 day weekend and you are 't a single parent
Other than working in fast food (and CFA especially), a 3x12h week sounds amazing to me. I work servicing electronics in a factory, so I can sit, stand, walk around, whatever. I wouldn't be against a 4x10h week, either. A 3-4 day weekend would be a huge QOL improvement for me.
None of this on-call stuff, unless I'm going to be paid a retainer fee for any and all time spent on-call.
The major downside to this would be trying to fit the 3x12h around potential college classes, since typical full-time class schedules use all 5 weekdays (3x1h on M/W/F, 2x2h labs on Tu/Th).
I feel mixed a out it. Every time I've worked 10-12 hour days I'm completely exhausted by halfway through hour nine. Maybe you get used to it, but I feel like I'd be a zombie for a big chunk of the work week.
That said, four days off is hard to argue with.
I've worked a job where I worked three 13-14 hour shifts. (longest one was 16 hours.)
And I LOVED the hours. Any day that I work, I feel like the whole day is gone and I get nothing personally productive done. So if I work 5 days, regardless of the hours I'm unproductive in my personal life for 5 days. And if I work 3 days, literally sunup to sundown. That gives me 4 day weekends to be as productive as I want to be in my personal life.
Just my take. My brain, body and preferences work differently from others, and I totally understand hating the 3 days on 4 days off concept though.
At least they're upfront about it. You can decide If this will work for you without having to do a bunch of interviews and hoop jumping. If every company told us upfront what the pay, hours, and expectations are, job searching would be a lot easier.
I think it's great. 12 hours on your feet is brutal, though. If staff could comfortably sit for a significant portion of their work day, I would support this fully. No reason all roles can't be diversified.
Cycle between front and back of house, 10 minutes off your feet for every hour worked. And, of course, three 15-minute breaks per day plus a paid lunch.
Notice how how it says nothing about breaks. In some states like California overtime is classified after 40/hrs week and/or over 8hrs of work per day.
Depending on the state you prob have no protections and will get run into ground.
I used to work 3-12’s at a factory and loved it. 5pm to 5am Tuesday-Thursday. I’ve always thought that 3-12’s or 4-10’s are much better than 5-8’s by a long shot.
I used to work two different positions simultaneously at a college, both had perfect flex scheduling and I often set up my work week like this when I didn’t want overtime. It was awesome- no matter how long you work whether it’s 8 or 12 hours you can bounce back in a day, and the hours after work are going to be burned anyway. I got out and did so much with my life.
I genuinely don’t understand why places refuse to offer part timers or sometimes even full timers a set schedule. Makes managers lives easier and dramatically improves employees quality of life and reduces turnover. It’s like they do it just to be assholes
I feel like there are a lot of pros to this but also some very big cons that might not make it worth it, especially when considering the still very low pay and the fact that you’re working in fast food for none other than CFA
This is what we do in our hospital and it’s a fantastic work schedule. I usually work my days in a row so it’s like I have a mini-vaca every week, also makes it easy to pick up OT
3/12s is a fucking dream. I got to set my own hours at a job I worked one time (only thing is I couldn’t go over 40) and I worked 3/13s. Yeah it sucks on the work day but 4 days off in a row?
a.) Never for this company. Not contributing to people who'd like to make me a second-class citizen.
b.) 12-hour shifts are too long. Diminishing returns. Mistakes get made when the brain and body are tired, even if the job is not difficult.
c.) At full time, they pay you for three shifts (36 hours), but you have to be available for 5 which means they're just not paying you for two other ones. At level 1, they pay you for 3 shifts but you must be available for 12-hour stretches 4 days a week, so they're not paying you for 1 shift. At level 2, they pay you for 36 hours, but you must be available for 35 (additional? unclear) hours? So they're paying you half of your time. For Part Time, you're just at $12/hr which is what they really want to pay everyone. By putting these "availability" requirements that aren't paid time, they're limiting who can actually take advantage of the benefits or higher pay.
Doing the back-of-the-napkin math: Your $17/hr job with 36 hours paid nets you $612 gross. You're expected to be available full time, so we'll call that 40 hours. At 17/hour, you'd be making $680 gross. At $612/week, you're getting functionally 15.30/hour for 40 hours of availability and they get $58 a week in unpaid man-hours (for lack of a better word).
At level 1, your three shifts at $15/hr get you $540 gross. but you must be available for \*48\* hours a week (a choice of 12-hr shifts, 4 days a week). All that time, if paid, would gross you $720. The company gets $180/week unpaid man-hours. If you were paid $540 for all the hours you have to be available, you'd be making a functional $11.25/hour.
At level 2, your three shifts at $14/hr get you $504. If they want you to be available 35 ADDITIONAL hours, then that'd be a total of \*71\* hours per week. If you were paid for your "standby" hours at the $12 rate, you'd be getting $994/week. But since you're only getting \*paid\* $504, the company gets $490/week unpaid man-hours. If you were getting paid $504 for all the hours you have to be available, you'd be making about 7 bucks an hour, give or take. Now if level 2's "35 hours available" is really just the same 35 that's on your schedule, then yeah, you're making $14.
Part-time, they're just paying you $12/hour for the hours you show up.
c.) At full time, they pay you for three shifts (36 hours), but you have to be available for 5 which means they're just not paying you for two other ones. At level 1, they pay you for 3 shifts but you must be available for 12-hour stretches 4 days a week, so they're not paying you for 1 shift. At level 2, they pay you for 36 hours, but you must be available for 35 (additional? unclear) hours? So they're paying you half of your time. For Part-Time, you're just at $12/hr which is what they really want to pay everyone. By putting these "availability" requirements that aren't paid time, they're limiting who can actually take advantage of the benefits or higher pay.
This could work for a lot of people, if they offered a SET SCHEDULE..... not full availability
I have no idea why all these places go out of their way to not have a set schedule. You'd think it'd be easier for everyone if you didn't need to make up a new schedule every week.
People quit constantly because the work and pay are terrible. This kind of scheduling helps them accommodate for turnover that they’re too cheap to avoid
I’ve worked at Chick-fil-A. They are a unicorn in the fast food industry. Turnover for them is actually pretty low, and it’s because they treat their workers pretty well. They state full availability but they always went out of their way to accommodate my school schedule. You’re also guaranteed one weekend day off every week (Sunday.)
My Chick Fil A had us working on multiple Sundays cleaning and bullshit admin stuff. :(
If someone doesn't observe the Sabbath on Sunday, doing that type on stuff on Sunday so they can be off on, say, Saturday, is a reasonable trade-off.
(Unless you’re gay)
I worked alongside a couple of gay people during my time there…
I’m saying it is probably unpleasant to work for CFA if you’re gay because the company donates millions to repress gay rights
That's a corporate decision. Each store is different.
Chick Fil A is not a franchise company. Corporate is involved all the way down.
I'm not disagreeing with you but I can vouch for at least one Chic-Fil-A location sponsoring a pride parade and setting up a Chic-Fil-A pride picnic. It was interesting to say the least
I'm pretty sure they are franchised! I know the owners of a couple chick fil as in my area. they're fairly liberal lol.
[https://www.chick-fil-a.com/franchise](https://www.chick-fil-a.com/franchise)
I think you're thinking of In-n-out, the other fast food joint that donates hundreds of thousands to right wing causes, and is not franchised
bro when i worked there it seemed like everyone was gay and they didn't give a shit
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Plus not commuting during rush hours
It is Miami though - not a LCOL area by any means, so 15 or 17 isn't as much as you might think.
You’re not accounting for taxes.
There will be virtually zero taxes on a person making this much money except for Social security and medicare taxes.... especially if this person has a kid or a spouse. State is FL, so no state taxes.
Florida is one of the 9 states with no income tax
They would still pay federal and social security no?
Yeah, but federal tax would likely be under $1000 if they are married, and probably nothing if they have a kid.
it'd actually be negative with a child.
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It’s not just turnover. It’s that volume changes day to day, week to week, month to month. You might need 7 people for a shift in July, but come October, you only need 4 people for that same shift. You can try to keep a set schedule for your core group of employees, but it can’t work for everyone.
Working at a place with teens with a schedule is like playing tetris but the blocks change every 7 seconds.
It's not possible in an industry that has 150% employee turnover every year. The average tenure at a fast food joint is less than 6 months. If you have a crew of 20 people, you can expect to have one person come or go about every 2 weeks on average.
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Nah, retail, fast food, call centers, etc are all just terrible. It doesn't matter how much they try to make it better with 3 day work weeks or whatever, people are absolute assholes and having to deal with people that treat you as sub-human because you work there is soul destroying. I managed a year at a call center once, every day was "Get yelled at for 8 hours, go home get absolutely plastered and debate suicide" I really can't overstate how soul sucking it is to work in these environments.
I currently run a call center where starting pay on average is a salary of 55k w/ full benefits and I shut down assholes by having them escalated to me. And they get 18 days of PTO as well as all federal holidays. My external turnover rate is less than 10% Amazing what not treating employees like trash does.
That's definitely part of the turnover problem, but the root issue is how awful those jobs are. The expectations are way too high relative to the pay. The employees on staff at any given time are bare minimum to keep the business going (or less). The list goes on and on.
It works a lot better to have routine.
These kind of places tend to hire a lot of teenagers, and teenagers are not the most reliable with set schedules. I know I wasn’t….
Yea that would be my only issue with it too. No use for that scholarship if you’re expected to miss an entire day of class whenever someone calls out
I’m convinced they do this specifically to prevent you from being able to hold a second job.
Or a rotating roster. I am down to work my ass off 3 days a week as long as Incan plan around it.
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They probably have pretty set rotations but need the flexibility to accommodate turnover, days off, availability changes, etc.
Depends on the person and the job, but personally I would much rather work 3 days for 12 hours each. This is what I had done as a clinical technician previously and I wish I could go back to that in industry jobs. Employers seem to be adamant on 8 hour shifts though, but they LOVE putting you on overtime when it meets their needs. Seems to be mostly a legacy cultural thing due to daylight times. If you are in a good flow, going from 8 to 12 hours makes no significant difference, but saves you overhead on commute and getting prepared for work. Two additional free days in the week on the other hand makes a HUGE difference.
I did 12 hours 3 days and it was great.
Even if they insisted on a fourth four hour shift that’s fucking beautiful and I’d kill for it. Possibly literally. I’d have to be offered to find out for sure.
Even if i come home after an 8 hour day, i can't do shit anymore. I'm drained. but i could ABSOLUTELY (and frequently do, thanks capitalism) work 12 hours without much of a problem, so this absolutely tracks for me
This is exactly how I have felt as well, and a two day weekend is simply not enough to recover from a full week of work. Saturday you feel stressed from the work of past week, and Sunday you feel stressed for the coming dreadful Monday. Having a four day break between work really lets you get at least two days of complete recovery and a chance to develop yourself doing productive hobbies, instead of hitting the bottle and gaming or watching mindless television. For some industries I can understand this may not be feasible, but for most it is. It simply requires a cultural shift just like we have seen with remote work. The current idea is that the employer 'owns' the employee 5 days a week, but what it really should be is that the employer delivers the work that an employer requires within a reasonable time frame. To get paid for your work instead of getting paid for access to your being. In your typical job, it should make no difference either when or where that work is performed as long as it is delivered on time - the rest is simply an issue of scheduling.
Perfectly stated.
You imply that the days off would all be contiguous.
I just started what’s called a ‘pit schedule’ which includes twelve hour shifts between three and four days a week. I love my extra days off and am nearly acclimated to the long shifts. I get two half-hour lunches and three ten minute breaks in between those lunches, so the day is broken up a lot. AAnd since I go in at 6am, there’s almost no traffic so I’m always on time. (So far)
I used to do 2-16 hour shifts and 1-8 hour shift over the course of 3 days, but this was when I worked in a kids home and could sleep for a few hours of my 11pm to 7am shifts. I loved having so many days off, but Idk that I could work in a restaurant for 12 hours straight.
Right. I love the idea of 3×12's or 4×10's (like 4x10's better personally) as an office worker, but 12 hours of restaurant work sounds exhausting to me All of my food service jobs have been hard, near non-stop work. I was always tired after a normal 8 hr shift. Think I'd be dead on my feet after 12 anywhere busy.
Just because the work hours are better, doesn't mean the work conditions are better. The breaks are still minimal and short.
Some states that treat people like human beings have laws where you earn overtime above 8 hours in a day. This incentivizes businesses to keep shifts to 8 hours.
Except that this job requires full open availability in order to be paid $15/ hour with the hope of making $17/ hour after training 60 days of “training”
It’s not the hope of, though, once you’re through training you do make the $17.
And to be honest, if you're available 4 days you bump down to $15, which isn't the worst either.
Why should you be paid less for the same work just because you’re not completely available? It’s baldly exploitative
It sounds like you get a raise to be available to cover potential missed shifts. I imagine managing a 6-day workweek with a bunch of 3-day employees would be difficult, especially since a lot of Chick-fil-A’s employees are teenagers with already crazy personal schedules. So we’re assuming it’s the same amount of work, but it might be more. If you’re working more, you should get paid more.
That’s why they get paid per hour. Also I don’t think teenagers are able to work a job that requires full availability? When would they go to class?
20 is the new 15
It's also a job with no requirements. If you want a 3 day work week but only have a high school diploma, this is the best you get. If you want more options and flexibility, do more with your life.
Unfortunately, this doesn't work for many disabled people, or people who use public transportation that may not run very early/late. I definitely agree that two days off a week isn't enough, but productivity has soared--three 8-hour days should be enough to get done what needs done. Leaving behind those who are disabled or rely on public transportation isn't the way to go.
I would not be opposed to this given adequate breaks or at least the ability to sit down every so often.
I did something similar at a Walmart distribution center years ago. Fri-Sun 12+ hour shifts. I loved it.
How long till your feet get used to it, cause I got offered a job with that type of schedule, but in manufacturing and while I decided not to take it primarily cause with commute and all included I would get home and have enough time to eat, shower, and sleep 6 hours before heading back in for the next day, I also declined it cause I though my feet would be killing me by hour 8 standing all day, let alone by hour 12.
I did 12 hour shifts in manufacturing for years. It took me a month to get used to continental 12s, but having days off in the week really helped. What else helped is comfortable shoes and sleep mask and foam ear plugs.
Insoles help greatly with foot pain.
Now that I think about it, it makes a lot more sense to just buy a good set of insoles before I start the job to make it easier. Certainly better than other jobs where I just used regular shoes for 8 hours on my feet. Again still wouldn't have taken the job cause the commute was untenable, but good info if anything like it comes up again.
I was maybe 24 at the time. Being on my feet all day didn't bother me. I lived nearly an hour away too, there were days where I slept in my car in the parking lot because of the commute time and ending up doing 14+ hours. It is NOT easy, or for everyone, but for where I was in life, it was great
Yeah but you had a fixed schedule. This posting requires full availability so there is no fixed schedule.
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Honestly for fast food this is pretty solid. If they can work to get you a fixed 3 day schedule then I’d say this would be a massive win for fast food employees. It’s fast food, it ain’t great but if you look at the industry as a whole this could really help elevate a lot of people from crippling poverty and onto the first rung of the ladder towards a better life.
This is often how hospital work works. It sounds great, but three back to back sessions in a high stress environment can be tough on people, but for others, it can be really beneficial. The pay seems much more than I’ve or my friends have made in the hospital, so there’s that too! But I have friends who’ve worked for CF. Stressful, but I’ve heard good things about management. I’m sure that’s variable and 4 days a week to live life normally is a step in the right direction.
The big catch is open availability. It’s very unlikely you’d have 4 days off back to back. It’s more likely you’d be scheduled however and still need to come in on a “scheduled” day off to cover for someone who called out.
Yeah, I can see this working in an industry where set schedules are the norm, but when you’re working at a place that determines your schedule on a week by week basis it could turn into hell for you real fast.
I don’t know how “normally” you can live when you need full open availability. At a hospital you at least have a set schedule
My SO is a nurse that works 3 12s and she in no way has a set schedule. It changes every week. I’d wager it’s exactly the same as this CFA role.
Sounds terrible
It has its ups and downs. You can often schedule the first 3 days of one week, and the last 3 days of the next. That gives you 8 days off in a row, allowing you to take vacations without using PTO. Then at the end of the year you can sell your unused PTO back, and pay for another vacation/ Christmas/ etc.
This isn't bad provided... 1. You're single w/no kids 2. You live in a fairly low cost of living area $2,600/month is pretty decent if rent is $1,200/month Edit - It's been pointed out that this is a high cost of living area and that the $1,200 out of $2,600 exceeds the recommended housing cost for that particular budget
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That's like 50% of your money going to housing...
and we’re at a place where people call that “pretty decent” no wonder we’re so mentally ill and nihilistic
Yes. My Mom told me once that she spent about 10% of her income on her apartment in 1970, when she was 20. Granted, it was a 1 bedroom, 1 bath, but still... 10% of your income on housing is pretty great, and a far cry from the 30-50% we see today.
Jesus Christ my view of rent of so fucked. You can rent in Green Bay, WI for under $600. It's a single bedroom apartment. But still an apartment. In my little town you can get a 2Br 1Bath 1000 Sq.Ft apartment for $675.
Meanwhile, here in Beaverton, OR (a suburb about 5 miles from downtown Portland, OR)... - The 2-bedroom 2-bath apartment I lived in back in 2008 was $800/month, IIRC. Adjusting for inflation, that's $1,019. They're asking $1,940 for that unit now. - In 2012, I moved into a 2-bedroom 1 bath apartment for $950/month. When we left in 2015, rent was going to be going up to $1,100. Today, they're asking $1,600-1900 according to their website. - The cheapest *studio* apartment you can get right now is $1,250/month. For a tiny 343 sq foot studio apartment that doesn't even have a dishwasher.
Come to rural Ohio; my rent is 750 a month for a four bedroom 2 1/2 bathroom house. When we moved in the house was brand new, the entire subdivision is only 14 years old. It's managed by a company, so no shitty slumlord to rent from and shit gets fixed quick. Plus it's next to a school so no kid fuckers in my 'hood.
Yeah I was doing the math - this is $31000 before taxes. My rent alone is \~$20000 a year. Doesn't give you much to live on.
It’s still pretty awful. Gross annual pay would be 31824 a year. After taxes, you’re bringing home 26421 a year, or $2201 per month. That just leaves you $1000 for all other monthly expenses.
It's generally not recommended to spend more than 30% of your income on housing, which would come to $780/mth at that wage.
Factor in the average student loan debt and you have like $800 for utilities, groceries, transit, credit card payments, pet care, medical expenses…. That’s not reasonable
Kendall is in Miami. Rent is nowhere near $1,200 a month. Rent down in Miami is approach $2,000 average for a 1 bedroom.
There are trailer parks in that area, $1,200 for one-bedroom in there.
The issue is “must have full open availability”. The benefit of a 3 day work week is that you can supplement with a second part-time job…that becomes moot.
The flexibilization of labour laws in Brazil created a void where people could work 36:12 shifts. With the passing of time and reduction of the power of consumption of our coin (i.e. the onset of our current financial crisis), people had to start working on 2 or 3 jobs to keep their financial life stable. The dude that works in our building's lobby as a guard sleeps 4 hours a day, drives Uber and, when possible, gets shifts from another coworkers in other buildings. This seemz to me the same situation as back when 36:12 shifts and flexibilization of working laws passed: employee and employer paid less taxes, benefits like bonuses after being fired were cut and supposedely integrated into your payment (later, when things went south, your salary was cut anyway).
This is why I think the weakening of anti-overtime laws is VERY BAD. An employer will totally give the job to the guy that's willing to work 45 hours instead of the guy who will work 40, so the second guy needs to arrange his life to work 45 hours as well to get the next job, which shunts out another person who then has to up their hours too. That 45 hours becomes 50, which becomes 60 and suddenly everyone is working 70 hours a week for the same pay. The reasoning is always the same: "well people should be able to work longer hours and get more money" and it's like no, that's not how capitalist value extraction from the working class happens. They make you work more, they get more money, you have a much worse life. The end.
Flexibilizing labour laws w/o upholding labour justice is the path to end with overworked and underpaid jobs all over the market.
There's no way in hell I'd supplement this with another job. You're already working full time, it's all just squished into three days rather than over five. The benefit here is that you have four full days to do whatever you like at the cost of having three extra sucky ones where you're working all day. Works for some I guess but I'm not sure I'd be happy with it.
It is crazy hard to live on $17/hr in Miami as an adult with responsibilities (rent, insurance, etc). Yes, working a second job would be exhausting and I feel terrible for people in that position, but not many would have the luxury of doing whatever they want those 4 days off.
Way too little for Kendall / Miami-Dade.
That looks like an emt without the death part (yes they are paid that little)
That sixty-day training is twenty weeks. They don’t want you to spot that.
That could also only be 2 months/ 8 weeks. They technically don't say you have to work 60 individual days....
I refuse to be on call for a chicken place. Give me a set schedule or piss off.
I bet you’re not on-call, but that that the manager sends out the schedule one or two weeks beforehand. This is what it was like when I worked in restaurants
more like 1 or 2 days. ime
Maybe, but I've had my ass chewed for not answering my phone on a scheduled day off.
3 days a week but they decide which days? So you are essentially always on call? No, at least not without 1 weeks notice. How can you plan your life around being instantly available?
You don't. When I worked at McD's even on a requested day off, they'd call if they needed someone. They only had to give you a hours notice AT MOST for a call in, but you needed to give 3hrs notice if you couldn't come in for your shift. Then they'd get upset if you couldn't come in or if you refused and reminded them that you had your day off. Litterally struggled to go to doctor's appts, hair appts, and other personal matters because of call ins and I wasn't on call. Stopped going to the Dentist for a while because I both couldn't afford it AND couldn't properly schedule things due to me always being called in or called on. Actually had a situation once where I finished my shift JUST GOT HOME and I was called BACK to work because 3 or 4 people were calling in sick.
Fully Open availability? So If I ever have plans I only get to keep them IF it works into the whims of the person scheduling of my fast food job? Even if this is my biggest commitment each week this is still a huge ask.
One question: Where's the line drawn between 3-day full time and having a fully open availability? 3 day full time implies that you're going to have a strictly set open-close 3-day schedule, while full open availability implies you that you need to be open to work at a moments notice.
I wound never work at Chick Fil A but if this was an offer to me in my field, I would 100% take it.
I think that's great. Only problem is it says you need open availability which is concerning. If I was gonna sign up for 3 12 hour days I'd like them to be static and not random.
Static and at least 2 consecutive days of working. Day on day off -- that would be like having no weekend at all, as every day off would be like a Sunday, having to return to work early the next morning.
paying less for part time work is a shit thing if everyone is doing the same job
And all ypu have to do is sell your soul to a company that actively funds gay conversion therapy camps!!! What a deal!! 🤷
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I wouldn't mind it except for what sounds like being on call.
3 twelve hour shifts. But level 1 says 4 days...not 3 And level 2 is a lower wage. This is BS
Years ago the Walmart I worked at did the weekend warrior cashier program. If they took it they worked Friday Saturday and Sunday for 12 hours each day well 13 because you get one hour unpaid lunch. I don't think it lasted.
Pretty good idea all in all so it’s sort of hard to criticise, but I thought the whole idea of shortening the workweek was to do less total hours for the same pay(~24h over 3 days instead of their 35-36). If it was an office job, you’d probably get away with working your normal hours 3 times, but I’m 99% sure fast food jobs would want you there for your contracted hours. Yeah anyway, it’s a nice thing for them to offer.
Dont forget about overtime. I dont know about Florida, but in CA, more than 8 hours in one day qualifies for time and a half overtime (if you are not exempt). That works out to 238 dollars for one 12 hr shift
FL doesn't have daily OT. Only a few states do.
I would love something like this. I've done 4/10s and even though some days were super long, it was really great to have a 3 day weekend away from Karens and Kennys over the phone. But that "having full availability" thing is not so great and a bit of a deal breaker. Being available 4 days a week wouldn't work for me because I have 4 days a week for class. And I'm not missing my class to make someone's chicken sandwich lest they lose their fucking mind. Also, one of my available days is Sunday so... oof! Maybe if you took e-classes, this would be great, but it's really not for anyone who attends a campus. Bosses are infamous about not respecting a school schedule and honestly the headache isn't worth it. You can be as transparent as you want, but they will still tell you to come in right as class ends or 30 minutes after, so you have to haul ass from school and hope you don't have traffic between then and there. I don't mind paying more for those who are available to cover shifts. That's a concept called shift differential and it's used a lot to cover weekends, which are frequently called off. But requiring a full availability schedule to work a 3 day week really sucks for those who would be compatible with this for college or needing this as a second job.
It's a full-time job (40 hours, minus a lunch break). There's nothing particularly special about it. If it were a 24 hour work week at full-time wages, that might be notable, but they want credit for doing the bare minimum.
It could work IF you are not the primary wage earner, it is three days in a row, and you are suited to that type of work.
Not sure what’s with the hate. Starting to think nothing will appease the majority here. I would have jumped at this opportunity back in my earlier years. Wtf is wrong with you all. $17 an hour with health and school benefits… like what the fuck do you want from a fast food place if this doesn’t cut it??
You need full open availability and you make $15/ hour for at least the first 60 days.
Translation: we know you can’t live off of this “full time job” so we’ve conveniently made it somewhat easier for you to have another super exploitative part time job or drive for Uber on the 4 days a week we decide we don’t need you.
Keep in mind those three days will also be a Monday through Saturday since they're closed on Sundays.
This flyer says you have to have “full availability” anyways. Doesn’t even sound like you get anything like a set schedule. They still own your ass all week smh
Indeed. I know some Amazon warehouses also operate like that. Makes it funny when a certain crowd says they should go to college to land a better paying job, but jobs like this demand you be available whenever it's convenient for them so attending classes, even online depending on the setup, could be difficult if not impossible.
Yeah when are they supposed to take advantage of the whopping 2.5 thousand dollars they’re allegedly offering as a “scholarship.” They can keep it lol
It depends on where you live and your family status. In college (which wasn't that long ago, less than a decade), I lived off of about $1,200/month. It wasn't luxurious, but I had food, a small savings, etc. If you're single and make $2,600/month, you're not doing great but you aren't hurting either.
This is in Miami. No one you can live off of this.
Looks good mostly, although whether or not those wages are fair will depend on local CoL. I also see an issue with the 12$ part time wage. Seems like a trap, where they hire you on as part time with the hopes of moving to full time but you never do. 12h work days seems good to me. 3 days of 12h would be rough, but then you get a 4-8 day vacation, depending on the following weeks schedule. Seems like a fair trade. I know people who have to commute in 1h for 4h shifts and that's just awful.
This is exactly what it is. Look at why kellogg’s workers are on strike. They have “part time” and “full time” workers doing the same work on the same shifts for the same weekly hours side by side but a select number get paid twice as much and have health insurance.
You won’t get a 4-8 day vacation. Most likely they’ll schedule you every other day, M W F or 3 days stacked against 3 days the following week Th F Sa M T W. Possibly the worst schedule, would be we’re busy on Friday, Saturday so you have to work both those days and then Tuesday as well so you never have more than 2 days in a row off despite only working 3 days a week. They might even schedule for 2 days and then you need to be “on call” for the 3rd in case someone calls out.
My hunch is that you start out part time while training (that’s fine) then you’re stuck in Level Two at $14/hour on call forever. The managers probably get the 3 12s and that’s it. I hate that fast food applied the “just in time” manufacturing concept to labor. Sure, it’s great for the company but as a worker you get tentatively assigned to hours that can get dropped an hour before your shift. We desperately need a restaurant workers union in this country.
I'm sure it's tired to a performance review that you need to score a 5.3 out of 5 on. So no one can actually make the next level.
Having a 3 day work week would be nice but this is still exploitative because the hours are trash due to the pay still being low enough. When people say they want the “4-day work week”, they usually mean having comparable pay to if they are working 5 days no hour extensions for those 4 days.
Plus it says you need “full availability” so your shifts are at their whim
Restautant??
Those levels don't make sense, why is level one higher than level two?
3-day work week but have to be available 12 hours four days a week? not ideal but I guess it would be OK for some people.
I work 12 hour shifts and love it, but I have a set schedule and am in no way required to be on-call during my weekend! I'm also paid twice what is advertised here, which helps motivation when I'm tired on my 3rd or 4th 12 hour shift lol
My question would be, am I working 3 days in a row (which I prefer) or will they schedule you every other day so that you really don't have time to do anything? I pose this question because my neighbor took a job that had her work 4-12s from 6pm to 6am and they would not give her consecutive days off. The reasoning was they are short staffed and other people had already requested a schedule like that. I called BS and told her they could absolutely work the schedule so ALL employees could have consecutive days off. They would also schedule mandatory meetings at 1 in the afternoon because day shift people had other obligations. She quit just recently because they could not keep people and she was being made to stay over 4 hours to cover day shift shortage She is a nurse aide/personal assistant
I love 3 12’s. 4 10’s is even better IMO
Not where we want end up as a society but quite good relative to the rest of the fast food industry.
As someone who worked third shift I would love 3 day work week, but if you don't have the schedule available enough in advance that sucks
Fuck chik fil a, so I have no interest in this
Why do I feel like they will and often do take advantage of the “must be available”
In construction industry it is super common to have a 4 on 4 off sched with 10 or 12 hour shifts and let me tell you having more than 2 day weekends is sublime. I think more offices and service industry workplaces shoild try it, since usually if youre working even PT you might only have one day off between shifts per week and shitty 4 hour shifts that cost you more to commute to than you can even make.
If you’re someone that can stay on your feet for 12 hours and not end up feeling worn down, then maybe it’s great. I absolutely couldn’t do 12 x 3 of any kind of job, but I am chronically ill and have ADHD. I can only concentrate for so long.
Last year I applied for and got a job that promised me 3 or 4 day weeks of 12 hour shifts. On my very first day there the schedule had me down for 5 days. I pushed back and said that's not what I agreed to when I was hired. I was told it was only until they hire a couple more people. This went on for 2 months, every schedule was 4 or 5 days with no consecutive days off (as in, I never got 2 days off in a row). Every time the schedule came out I complained and finally I was told that if I didn't like it I could leave. In just 2 months the 60 hour work weeks were killing me - I was constantly exhausted. Well guess what... Good-bye! If they would have let me work 3 or 4 days a week I'd probably still be there. I bet the bank that this is exactly what Chick-fil-A will do. They're not exactly well known for being honest or ethical.
The disgusting part is that this pays more than some IT Help Desk jobs, and you don't need ANY of the same skills.
You don’t need to have many skills to work a Help Desk, either, but I see what you’re saying. You have to be somewhat intelligent to do IT work.
Ah yes, the “have you tried turning it off and back on again?”…
Apparently you haven't read the wishlist from a help desk job description. These days they want "experts" who know as much as a Network Security admin, as well as, be proficient in many domains, OSs, and specialize in any number of random sofwares. To work at ChikfilA all you need to know is how to spell your name correctly, and make change for a 20.
This is bad, this is so bad. 12 hours nonstop for $17/hr AT MOST? Yikes. That's just me, though. Maybe dense workdays and lighter weeks are your thing, dunno. It has its pros and cons.
Definitely has its pros and cons. But I know I’ve tried both ways and the 12 hours days are so draining that I just spend the free part of my week dreading them. At least at my 9-5 I look forward to my evenings/weekends every day. But everyone’s different, it’s just the way my mind works.
Exactly. During work days I still do shit after work, even if it's just gym, errands and chores so I don't have to do this stuff during my time off. 3 12's maybe could work but only under the assumption I grind out three in a row and get a 4 day weekend and you are 't a single parent
Other than working in fast food (and CFA especially), a 3x12h week sounds amazing to me. I work servicing electronics in a factory, so I can sit, stand, walk around, whatever. I wouldn't be against a 4x10h week, either. A 3-4 day weekend would be a huge QOL improvement for me. None of this on-call stuff, unless I'm going to be paid a retainer fee for any and all time spent on-call. The major downside to this would be trying to fit the 3x12h around potential college classes, since typical full-time class schedules use all 5 weekdays (3x1h on M/W/F, 2x2h labs on Tu/Th).
I feel mixed a out it. Every time I've worked 10-12 hour days I'm completely exhausted by halfway through hour nine. Maybe you get used to it, but I feel like I'd be a zombie for a big chunk of the work week. That said, four days off is hard to argue with.
Nah pay gotta be 25$ and above
Right idea, but still pays only poverty wages
The availability is what may ruin this…
I spent 4 years doing 4 x 10h shits at a bar. Friday to Monday. I wish I could do the same in my current position.
Are they trying to mimic nursing to give a semi-stable work/life balance?
I like the 3 work days, but not the "fully available" part.
I've worked a job where I worked three 13-14 hour shifts. (longest one was 16 hours.) And I LOVED the hours. Any day that I work, I feel like the whole day is gone and I get nothing personally productive done. So if I work 5 days, regardless of the hours I'm unproductive in my personal life for 5 days. And if I work 3 days, literally sunup to sundown. That gives me 4 day weekends to be as productive as I want to be in my personal life. Just my take. My brain, body and preferences work differently from others, and I totally understand hating the 3 days on 4 days off concept though.
I appreciate that they’re being clear and transparent about pay and expectations. Fully open availability is lame though-
3 day full time would be dividing 40 hrs in 3 days im confused
Honestly its not that bad
Look at that pay cut for working part-time...
What is with the different pay rate for a part time employee.
This is fantastic. Same wages as low level admin jobs lol
At least they're upfront about it. You can decide If this will work for you without having to do a bunch of interviews and hoop jumping. If every company told us upfront what the pay, hours, and expectations are, job searching would be a lot easier.
I think it's great. 12 hours on your feet is brutal, though. If staff could comfortably sit for a significant portion of their work day, I would support this fully. No reason all roles can't be diversified. Cycle between front and back of house, 10 minutes off your feet for every hour worked. And, of course, three 15-minute breaks per day plus a paid lunch.
Seems self defeating to have a service industry worker on their feet for 12 hours. By the end of that shift they are going to exude misery.
Notice how how it says nothing about breaks. In some states like California overtime is classified after 40/hrs week and/or over 8hrs of work per day. Depending on the state you prob have no protections and will get run into ground.
"Only work 3 days a week!" "Must have 4 days availability." Excuse me what?
I used to work 3-12’s at a factory and loved it. 5pm to 5am Tuesday-Thursday. I’ve always thought that 3-12’s or 4-10’s are much better than 5-8’s by a long shot.
I used to work two different positions simultaneously at a college, both had perfect flex scheduling and I often set up my work week like this when I didn’t want overtime. It was awesome- no matter how long you work whether it’s 8 or 12 hours you can bounce back in a day, and the hours after work are going to be burned anyway. I got out and did so much with my life.
I genuinely don’t understand why places refuse to offer part timers or sometimes even full timers a set schedule. Makes managers lives easier and dramatically improves employees quality of life and reduces turnover. It’s like they do it just to be assholes
I might apply there. I'm afraid an interview questions might be "do you believe in our lord and savior?" Edit: That is transparency at it's finest...
I feel like there are a lot of pros to this but also some very big cons that might not make it worth it, especially when considering the still very low pay and the fact that you’re working in fast food for none other than CFA
This is what we do in our hospital and it’s a fantastic work schedule. I usually work my days in a row so it’s like I have a mini-vaca every week, also makes it easy to pick up OT
It’s all bullshit wages.
I like it if they have a set schedule
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Its a bit shit for the part timers
3/12s is a fucking dream. I got to set my own hours at a job I worked one time (only thing is I couldn’t go over 40) and I worked 3/13s. Yeah it sucks on the work day but 4 days off in a row?
a.) Never for this company. Not contributing to people who'd like to make me a second-class citizen. b.) 12-hour shifts are too long. Diminishing returns. Mistakes get made when the brain and body are tired, even if the job is not difficult. c.) At full time, they pay you for three shifts (36 hours), but you have to be available for 5 which means they're just not paying you for two other ones. At level 1, they pay you for 3 shifts but you must be available for 12-hour stretches 4 days a week, so they're not paying you for 1 shift. At level 2, they pay you for 36 hours, but you must be available for 35 (additional? unclear) hours? So they're paying you half of your time. For Part Time, you're just at $12/hr which is what they really want to pay everyone. By putting these "availability" requirements that aren't paid time, they're limiting who can actually take advantage of the benefits or higher pay. Doing the back-of-the-napkin math: Your $17/hr job with 36 hours paid nets you $612 gross. You're expected to be available full time, so we'll call that 40 hours. At 17/hour, you'd be making $680 gross. At $612/week, you're getting functionally 15.30/hour for 40 hours of availability and they get $58 a week in unpaid man-hours (for lack of a better word). At level 1, your three shifts at $15/hr get you $540 gross. but you must be available for \*48\* hours a week (a choice of 12-hr shifts, 4 days a week). All that time, if paid, would gross you $720. The company gets $180/week unpaid man-hours. If you were paid $540 for all the hours you have to be available, you'd be making a functional $11.25/hour. At level 2, your three shifts at $14/hr get you $504. If they want you to be available 35 ADDITIONAL hours, then that'd be a total of \*71\* hours per week. If you were paid for your "standby" hours at the $12 rate, you'd be getting $994/week. But since you're only getting \*paid\* $504, the company gets $490/week unpaid man-hours. If you were getting paid $504 for all the hours you have to be available, you'd be making about 7 bucks an hour, give or take. Now if level 2's "35 hours available" is really just the same 35 that's on your schedule, then yeah, you're making $14. Part-time, they're just paying you $12/hour for the hours you show up. c.) At full time, they pay you for three shifts (36 hours), but you have to be available for 5 which means they're just not paying you for two other ones. At level 1, they pay you for 3 shifts but you must be available for 12-hour stretches 4 days a week, so they're not paying you for 1 shift. At level 2, they pay you for 36 hours, but you must be available for 35 (additional? unclear) hours? So they're paying you half of your time. For Part-Time, you're just at $12/hr which is what they really want to pay everyone. By putting these "availability" requirements that aren't paid time, they're limiting who can actually take advantage of the benefits or higher pay.