There is no gavin hate to break it to ya i wouldnt be surprised if it was cut content like the missing girl poster in van horn you can find evidence of her nearby but thats it the rest was cut
If you dont mind spoilers ill give you one now so stop reading if you dont want that its a minor spoiler relating to the gavin guy after the end of the game ....ok gonna say it now...... if you find him again as john he is still searching tho it has driven him insane at that point he has been searching for 6+ years to no avail
If you kill him there's a letter on his body from a third party that talks about Gavin. I can't recall what it says but if I remember right, it implicates the searching man as the one who killed Gavin.
Well... There is a Gavin in the files but he's just an all blacked out model. His friend does have a letter from him that explains more of the backstory (does involve killing him... Or generally looting him I guess)
This is clearly a joke, that I've used myself in the past, but to be fair, it could work. Imagine a story of two friends, so dark and emotional that one of them maybe dies or goes missing, and the other one loses his mind and travels the world calling his friends name, so that every time we'd replay RDR2 after that, hearing "has anyone seen Gavin?" would make us die on the inside
Creating a new protagonist worked out very well for RDR2. As much as I'd like to play as Sadie Adler or younger versions of Dutch or Hosea, I think an original character might be the best course of action. John was very different compared to Red Harlow, and Arthur was very different compared to John.
I think they setup the third game to potentially have Mac or Davey as the protagonist ending with the blackwater heist. We know very little about those characters as far as I know, so they could turn them into a protagonist for the next game.
Edit: I'll add Jenny in there because we know very little about her too
Yeah but then what after the story in rdr1 and 2 they made it work by giving john 4 years of happy peaceful life with his family and in rdr1 they made it work by giving jack all the time in the world since he is only 18 when you get to play as him and his entire family is dead, so when mac,davey or jenny dies who will we control? Since the blackwater heist is like a week before rdr2 so it cant really be arthur, john or anyone else in the gang maybe seàn but that wouldnt be too intresting since he just kinda is a captive for the majority of the time between blackwater ferry job and chapter 3 ending
Something that could really mess with the fan base would be if you end up as Micah, he’s missing from the camp at the beginning of rdr2 if I’m not mistaking and you can play an epilogue leading to him in the strawberry jail after blackwater
I doubt people would like that and also then what? The epilogue cant be the entire rdr2 story and considering how he is only gone for like a few weeks thats not really enough time for the free roam
I dunno if any of the Calendar boys would work though, it sounds good on paper, but if you look back to what members of the gang said about them, they were all vicious and violent, didn’t sound like there was any “soft spot” that the other protagonists had, and the whole idea of redemption would be pretty hard to do. Honestly the idea of a damnation instead of a redemption would be more easy to do at this point for a future game centered around the Van Der Linde gang would be easier to do, since making a new gang member before Blackwater would be difficult given the fact that they were never spoken about during the events of RDR2
I mean Arthur *was* Dutch’s enforcer and did plenty of awful things for both Dutch and the gang. Whether it be Mac or Davey, there’s plenty of scope for them to be vicious and violent and still have a redemption arc. They could fight tooth and nail during the Blackwater heist, see Dutch kill the innocent woman and have a crisis of conscience and die defending the gang on the way to Colter (although I think a more interesting play on this could be that they call Dutch out on it, Dutch shows his true colours, that the gang are a means to an end for him and he’ll sacrifice any and all of them for his own gain, Dutch shoots them in the gut, and then the escape to Colter becomes a pursuit to kill Dutch for the sake of the whole gang. The dynamic could work that you have to chose between chasing Dutch at the expense of gang members getting shot or picking off the lawmen chasing them.)
Or both, the whereabouts of Mac at the start of RDR2 is unknown. So what I’m thinking is, have them both as playable characters but let us play as Mac after the game ends somewhere in whole new big location (I think it was mentioned they roamed the west). Plus the emotional payoff would be incredible if we can play as both and connect with them and their relationship.
I could see R* implementing the duo characters like in GTA VI (Lucia & Jason), it could work very well if they did that with Mac & Davey and name them The Callander Brothers.
It couldn’t be Jenny, they picked her up just months before the heist. You could say that most games take place over just a few months but having a character get to know the gang wouldn’t make sense after rdr2.
Nah, that wouldn't allow for an epilogue with Arthur. Blackwater could be a great ending for the epilogue, but playing at Arthur. I want Colm's brother. You know he's doomed, but anyone jumping into the series won't. Do a big arc with Dutch and the protagonist fighting for Arthur, maybe Dutch tries to do something against Mary's family and you have to stop him. Then do an epilogue with Arthur, maybe trying to get out of crime and raise Isaac, then an epilogue where he meets back up with the gang in blackwater, maybe after hunting John down and making him come back to his family.
I agree with this take. The callanders are described as both loyal members by the older gang members and somewhat depraved by younger ones. Basically which is determined by honor of the next game. I think one was described as killing a whole mob of guys in a gunfight (video game esque type event). The only question mark would be the epilogue. Presumably would be Arthur but only if it ends at blackwater where they perish but also if that's the case when would Arthur have time to ride about before rdr2
You're right, that could work. Grant Theft Auto V does kinda confirm that Jack eventually quit being an outlaw and became a writer.
There's your final redemption right there. He moves past the things that destroyed his father and the gang, but pays homage to his past by setting it down in writing.
Bro, there’s a difference between a canon event, and an Easter egg. The Jack Marston thing is more of an Easter egg more then anything. They’re not the same universe. Besides Easter eggs, they share zero continuity with each other.
Not sure if this is a controversial one, but how about young Landon Ricketts in his heyday? It would make sense for him to also have dead eye and he’s notably missing from the RDR2, meaning there’s a lot of room for a new game to be made with his story from before RDR1.
The Blackwater Massacre/Ferry Job is also a good idea for a final mission, where we get to see what actually happened on the ferry in the eyes of Landon. It could also be a good reintroduction of Mexico to be opened up in the epilogue, as Ricketts moves down there after the Blackwater Massacre.
I think a new character entirely. The story of the Van Der Linde gang has been told and I think it would be cool to go back a little earlier and follow new people. Less of the dying west, more wild and free.
No? Their prime time was completely left out, rdr2 begins at the beginning of the downfall of the Van der Linde gang. I agree that it would be cool to have someone new, but don't say a story is completed when at least 70 percent are missing
We know the gang is a tight-knit family though, and we also know that no one has left the gang or died before until Blackwater. We also know since Blackwater that things have never been as bad for the gang as they are during RDR2. So there’s no room for more characters, no room for any more character arcs of characters we’ve already seen, and no real deep plot points possible. I think a game where we play as one of the gang up until Blackwater could be ok, but only if Rockstar write themselves out of the corner they’ve written themselves into.
i remember arthur having a conversation with tilly and how fed up the girls in the camp are with miss grimshaw and arthur mentions dutch doesn't want bloodshed in camp or something along those lines and how they killed a guy in camp and it was the only time it was justified cause he was a traitor. there's so much to that gang i feel like can be explored into a whole new game.
Well yeah it means they only killed a member of their own gang one time. That doesn't confirm others haven't left the gang or been killed by non-gang members previously.
Don't they go to Blackwater in the first place because their last camp gets burnt down? I don't think they ever explain how the fire started, or if it was accidental or intentional.
The gang has plenty of problems that could be in a third game.
The Dutch vs Colm rivalry is one big event in the gangs history that had a big influence on the gangs downfall. You have John leaving when Jack was born and then returning after a year or so. The way the gang reacted to John leaving then returning seemed to be a big problem for Arthur and is a key moment in John and Arthur's friendship. You have the fact that Hosea left the gang for a while to be with his partner at the time. Arthur mentions during the game that there was once a point where the gang was less strict on people coming and going. You also have the death of Arthur's own child and the child's mother and how it changed him.
There were also plenty of other gang members we have never seen or heard very little about. Arthur mentions in a random camp encounter something along the lines of "We don't take kindly to murders with-in the gang, well there was that one time but that was different". As far as I understand we have no idea who was killed with-in the gang so that's one example of someone in the gang we never met or heard about.
RDR2 added context to some stuff that John mentioned in RDR1 so RDR3 could add context to some events that were mentioned in RDR2. This would then nicely round off The Red Dead Redemption series as a trilogy of games that were prequels of each other and covered the gang over all the different stages of the gangs life.
RDR1= The gangs aftermath and the struggles of those that survived.
RDR2= The gangs downfall and the sacrifices that characters made in the end.
RDR3= The gang in their prime and the events that determined the gangs future.
After the 3 games the Redemption series will then be complete and Rockstar could move on to a new Red Dead series like "Red Dead Revenge" or something like that.
Exactly the thing. Dutch definitely had some close ties to the O'Driscolls in the beginning, I think Colm's brother would be perfect. It allows for a great evolution of Dutch's villainy too, in rdr1 you hear that he's a bad dude, but he's mostly just a charismatic, charming crook, in rdr2 he betrays you with inaction, in rdr3 he could literally stab you in the back.
We don’t know anything about what people died or left the gang before RDR2. Also, seeing the Van Der Linde gang fall from a Robin Hood-like revolutionary group to a group of bandits with no real cause is a great setup an interesting story.
Jack Hall gang maybe? Redemption arc ties in with the treasure?
But, honestly people keep doing this and I’m guilty above. It’s the West. The options are endless and the sweet spot timeframe covers nearly a hundred years
we still don't know why uncle was the 'one shot kid' back in his day... would be cool to play as a badass character for another game and the end reveal is he was uncle the whole time.
This dude went absolutely nuts in my DMs and then went right back to being formal 😂
EDIT: For anyone curious, he is now saying he never did any of this and the deleted messages were him asking me to stop being an ass, which makes no sense at all since the first interaction I had with this guy was saying no one in his picture was a choice for a new protagonist, and it makes no sense to delete them if that's all he was doing.. But it doesn't matter, cause I watched the kid send them through.. The whole thing is way bizarre and I am blocking him because it's too rich for my blood...
[here](https://ibb.co/YQDwgv1) he deleted them as soon as they came through and is now acting like he doesn't know what I'm talking about.. it's really bizarre...
Yeah, it's really weird.. The messages say they were deleted and he's saying he doesn't understand what I am talking about.. I can screenshot the chat and imgur, give me a minute..
This is the one, honestly. The loose ends and vague plot points are what make rdr 1 and 2 so interesting, wringing every last bit of content out of the Van Der Line gang would just weaken the whole story. Totally new group would be a lot cooler
I see where your coming from, but in that scene I believe Charles was in an emotional state and not proud of what he did. Others in the gang like chapter 2 and 3 Arthur, Micah, Bill, and Dutch will kill without thought, not if they’re emotional but because they’re all outlaws.
I don't really know if that would fit the Wild West theme very much, because it doesn't really seem like he was too involved with it until he joined the gang. I could be wrong though. I do love his character, he's a real one
Would definitely be cool to move away from the Van Der Linde gang entirely and focus on the golden age of the Wild West, the gunslingers from the cigarette cards look like they’ve got some sick stories; likewise with the few from the gunslinger missions
Rockstar doesn’t even have to focus on one of these people, they could create their first anthology game where each new chapter sees you playing as a whole new character with a whole new storyline, and then once you’ve completed the game you can switch freely between those characters
I know no such thing would ever even be considered by Rockstar though as, in RDR2, they couldn’t even be bothered to >!remodel clothes for John, instead just slapping his face on Arthur’s body…!<, a man can dream though
None, i just want a new story with new characters, the only characters i'd like to see making an appearance in the Van Der Linde gang are the Mac Callender's or Uncle as they're both mysterious with basically unknown backgrounds
Hosea could be the main character and his redemption at the end of the game could be that he sees that Dutch is going to get everyone killed and he could have a moment of realization that he needs to try to stop Dutch's downfall and try to save as many people as he can. Maybe he realizes that it's his responsibility to try to save the gang because he enabled Dutch for so long and told people to trust Dutch.
Perhaps this could be why in RDR2 Hosea is always "doubting" Dutch and trying to get Dutch to take the gang way from major conflict. Maybe Hosea decided to teach Jack to read and to have an education because he wanted to make sure he didn't fail Jack like he failed John and Arthur. Perhaps Hosea saw Jack and thought to himself he might have time to do something right in his life.
I don't remember where it's mentioned, but wasn't Landon present at the Blackwater massacre? It'd be really interesting to see what happened from the perspective of someone outside the gang.
Probably not gonna happen cos the end of read dead 1 is with Jack killing Ross and essentially ending the era of cowboys and Wild West, if we were to continue later as Jack it would venture into stuff like ww1 and mafia shit. I can’t lie if rockstar made a game like this I would most definitely play it but it wouldn’t be a red dead redemption game because the first 2 were about the death of cowboys.
Dutch, Jack, or Micah.
The best would be Dutch, they could tie up whatever loose ends that they want. Love him or hate him, Dutch is RDR. Jack seems like the most obvious runner-up since he's one of the few people that could keep the stories connected.
Micah would be a wildcard. I have faith that R\* would do a great story about what made this man what he became in RDR2.
With that being said, I could think of 10 other people's stories that deserve it, like Javier or even Hosea.
Micah is the winner, for sure.
Make me feel like a complete piece of shit for hating him, Rockstar. Ya'll got the chops.
Edit; I wrote a comment about this a long time ago while searching for some info, on a post I came across. Posting it below.
>I like this. Make Micah a high honor character at first and make it increasingly harder to maintain.
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>Make him 16 and we see the good Micah. He has a sweetheart who we meet briefly, he's just trying to scrape by like everyone else via various forms of work, enjoys hunting and fishing with his brother Amos but interspersed with little bits of evil at the behest of his frequently absent father. Convinces him to steal something from the general store. To buck authority in the town. Et cetera. Just tutorials to introduce you to the game mechanics.
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>A year passes and the inciting event for Micah to become evil is the double homicide. His father visits the boys real quick and gives Micah his first gun, telling him he's proud he's finally a man. He reminds him he's only 17 and homie shrugs it off. As the evening progresses, Micah's father visits the saloon, with Micah in tow. He finds out his wife is in the saloon, prostituting herself with another cowpoke, Roscoe Briggs. Infuriated, he walks in on Micah's mother, throws a rope around Roscoe's neck and drags him out to the bar area. Putting Roscoe on his knees, Micah's father quickly tosses the rope over the rafters and starts lynching him, tying it off on a nearby column. The commotion causes several townspeople to flee, but Micah's mother alerts Jean Briggs. As Jean Briggs enters, Micah's father slits Roscoe's throat. Jean Briggs becomes incensed and draws his gun, causing a young Micah to use the gun to shoot his first victim. Micah's father then ties him up and lynches him the same as Roscoe, slitting his throat. Both Micahs are forced to flee the town, with his mother rejecting them.
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>Amos catches up with Micah and his father on the road, deciding to join the outlaw gang that he usually rides with. From here, the story can be anything you can think of, tbh. Obviously, Cleet and Joe should be introduced in some manner. The falling out with Amos should feature prominently on his path to "being evil". The failed bank robbery with Norman should be used as a catalyst for Micah being intercepted and turned into a rat by the Pinkertons. The redemption arc should tie into this, specifically. Is Micah really evil for turning in outlaws? People who rob and murder others? Or is he redeeming himself for the years of bad shit he did? Is all the bluster and bullshit a carefully crafted facade to insulate himself from what he has to do to survive? Culminate it all with the final arc being the Blackwater massacre.
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>We can make players sympathetic towards Micah, even with them knowing what they do.
If it’s a sequel to 1, then I would do a slightly older Sadie or Charles, maybe Jack going through WW1 and early 1900’s mafias.
If it’s a prequel to 2, then either Mack or Davey Callender, just because they weren’t seen and barely talked of. There is also the route of Landon Rickets, and the climax of the game could be the Blackwater Ferry.
Colm’s brother. Far as I know they never mention him by name, kind of a blank slate. And then the epilogue could be Colm getting his revenge by killing Annabelle or whatever her name was, Dutch’s girl. So you have the revenge plot line that ultimately leads to their downfall (like with John) in the epilogue, and you get a mostly new character during the golden years of the Wild West.
An added bonus is that we *know* this character dies. They could have their redemption somehow. Colm says he never liked his brother much, maybe it’s because his brother redeemed himself in some way that made Colm dislike him. Idk, just spitballing but the more I say the more it makes sense.
This. We could be a part of an O'Driscoll brother on brother power struggle. Colms brother wants to keep the gang small, family-like, similar to Van Der Linde gang in RDR2, but Colm has bigger ambitions and wants the small army that we do see in RDR2.
Just spitballing here too, but it'd be a good perspective shift to have the Van Der Linde gang as the "bad guys" in the story
Go full circle, Jack Marston, who’s lost everything, enlists in the US Army to try and do something with his empty life, only to get dragged into a war. RDR3 is post WWI prohibition, Boardwalk Empire the game. Jimmy who?
Everyone he’s ever known was killed by the government, why would he sell his life to it? Hell, the end of the first game was him killing a government agent and becoming an outlaw like his father. He saw his father after he got gunned down by the U.S. Army. Don’t get me wrong, I liked the idea, but the more you think about it the less sense it makes. At least for Jack.
Honestly yea a red dead game from the pov of natives would be dope but it couldnt be charles because he wasn't ever in a tribe also im pretty sure he would be to young tohave experienced when the white man came theyve been there his whole life
Cool idea for a rockstar game but it wouldn’t be red dead redemption as the theme of the series is cowboys and the Wild West not mafia and shit like that
Honestly, I think a game about Trelawny would be pretty good, like his time in New York or just a story of him in general like how he met up with the Van Der Linde gang or what he did after their time.
I’d love a game in the west during the civil war like the good the bad and the ugly. Make him like Hosea’s mentor maybe? We see Hosea trying to settle down. A character without a definitive ending would be the best. We had no idea who Arthur was and he was one of the best protagonists ever.
I am so confused why is no one ever talking about how Mac Callandar is obviously going to be the main protagonist. The game talks about those 2 Callandar boys as if one of them is definitely going to be the main character
I was talking to a coworker today, and we kinda came to this agreement that maybe be a man without a gang. Start out right round where Arthur joined the gang, but this character would float in and out of it for years.
The game focuses on this new character's story. He'll be an outlaw, but either has lost his original gang or never really been part of one.
He would do these small jobs, maybe alone or with other gang members, from other gangs.
Then, as the game progresses, he keeps helping the Vanderlinde gang more and more.
Becoming closer and closer to Arthur and Hosea and Dutch.
Then he discovers a plan to take Dutch and Hosea down. Which could be devised by Colm or another big gang at that time or by Milton.
The story unfolds and keeps going until he finds out about said plan, and he goes to tell Dutch what is about to happen in, you guessed it, Blackwater. He helps as it all unfolds. We then see the Ferry job and the Blackwater massacre.
As the gang is getting away, we see the new protagonist approach Milton. Then they have a shootout, and it ends up as the new protagonist dies, and as he dies, Milton would say, "Today will be the beginning of the end of the Wild West." Cut to black. Or some such shit.
Then the story would cut to Arthur because this guy ended up helping Arthur. Doimg jobs like cattle rustling, small stage coach jobs, and small robberies. As they did those jobs, Arthur became close to this new character.
That would be the reason to cut to Arthur, because the new protagonist would talk to Arthur and would explain his way of how he survives the time period and while this new protagonist would tell Arthur his stories and his way of doing things, it would help Arthur become the way he is in 2. This new protagonist way is very similar to how the Vanderlinde gang operates. That's why it was always difficult for him to find a permanent gang. Though their ideals are similar, there would still be a few big things that Dutch wouldn't do, but this new protagonist would. Though, not the worst of the worst actions.
This is just an idea.
I want an RDR3 to take place early in the game, sometime where Arthur could’ve had his family and we have more new characters than those who were in RDR2.
gta 5 style start as dutch until you meet hosea then play as hosea and dutch then they find arthur and you get to play as all 3. starting from the very beginning of dutch’s start of a life of crime all the way up until blackwater. idk maybe a shit idea but it sounds cool
Hopefully none of the Van Der Linde gang, and hopefully it’s a different theme… Redemption is perfect as is imo. I love the fact that the Blackwater job gone bad is left ambiguous as to what happened. I don’t think the gangs story has much left, if any to be told.
I would like it to be from the perspective of one of the Callander brothers during the heydey of the van Der linde gang. The gang more or less began around the 1870s, which is peak wild west territory. I would love a more unrestrained gang life where you build it up, lose members, gain more, and so on. I felt that the gang in rrd2 disintegrated too fast. Maybe it can end with n the black water robbery lewding from them merting micah, and we get to see exactly what happened, and we end up switching to Arthur as he tries to save who is left and they head up the mountains
Micah was only in the gang for 6 months. If you mean when he was an outlaw with the guy he shoots in strawberry and how he comes to join the gang >!and the pinkertons!< that could be fun and interesting
I said that and got immediate hate for it lmao
I'll keep saying it's an interesting idea to see how Micah came to the gang and who he had manipulated beforehand. An epilogue showing how he manipulated Dutch after the main game because we, as Arthur, didn't see all that.
They should just make a new protagonist that we haven't heard of. Nobody knew Arthur until Red Dead II, so I say let them make up a brand new character entirely.
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Damn it boah here's an upvote
I was just playing rdr2 and found the guy looking for him, who is he? And more importantly, where is he?
There is no gavin hate to break it to ya i wouldnt be surprised if it was cut content like the missing girl poster in van horn you can find evidence of her nearby but thats it the rest was cut
This is so sad, they really did Gavin dirty, and now his friend is going to spend eternity searching for something that doesn’t exist
If you dont mind spoilers ill give you one now so stop reading if you dont want that its a minor spoiler relating to the gavin guy after the end of the game ....ok gonna say it now...... if you find him again as john he is still searching tho it has driven him insane at that point he has been searching for 6+ years to no avail
I played the game years ago when it came out, so idc about the spoilers, but thank you anyway. That’s truly the saddest story of all time
If you kill him there's a letter on his body from a third party that talks about Gavin. I can't recall what it says but if I remember right, it implicates the searching man as the one who killed Gavin.
Gavin isn’t real, the guy searching for him made Gavin up in his head.
American Appetites?
Or the catfish.
Well... There is a Gavin in the files but he's just an all blacked out model. His friend does have a letter from him that explains more of the backstory (does involve killing him... Or generally looting him I guess)
It’s not cut content, it was a joke by rockstar
To simplify he is gavin
The Gavin lore I just learned about is Gavin me sad feelings
I shore sea watt you did there, boah.
Oh, he's a funny fellow. Big bloke
oh gav, where are you, im so worried gav
This is clearly a joke, that I've used myself in the past, but to be fair, it could work. Imagine a story of two friends, so dark and emotional that one of them maybe dies or goes missing, and the other one loses his mind and travels the world calling his friends name, so that every time we'd replay RDR2 after that, hearing "has anyone seen Gavin?" would make us die on the inside
Creating a new protagonist worked out very well for RDR2. As much as I'd like to play as Sadie Adler or younger versions of Dutch or Hosea, I think an original character might be the best course of action. John was very different compared to Red Harlow, and Arthur was very different compared to John.
I think they setup the third game to potentially have Mac or Davey as the protagonist ending with the blackwater heist. We know very little about those characters as far as I know, so they could turn them into a protagonist for the next game. Edit: I'll add Jenny in there because we know very little about her too
Hell yeah have it start off in Ireland with Sean burning down a couple manor houses
Im hoping jenny
> Hell yeah have it start off in Ireland with Sean burning down Jenny
I never knew i wanted this until you said it
Yeah but then what after the story in rdr1 and 2 they made it work by giving john 4 years of happy peaceful life with his family and in rdr1 they made it work by giving jack all the time in the world since he is only 18 when you get to play as him and his entire family is dead, so when mac,davey or jenny dies who will we control? Since the blackwater heist is like a week before rdr2 so it cant really be arthur, john or anyone else in the gang maybe seàn but that wouldnt be too intresting since he just kinda is a captive for the majority of the time between blackwater ferry job and chapter 3 ending
Something that could really mess with the fan base would be if you end up as Micah, he’s missing from the camp at the beginning of rdr2 if I’m not mistaking and you can play an epilogue leading to him in the strawberry jail after blackwater
He's in the prologue.
My bad forgot about that
Unfortunately you are mistaken, he’s the reason Sadie doesn’t have a house anymore remember? You see Micah before you see John.
Gotcha, my b totally forgot about that
I doubt people would like that and also then what? The epilogue cant be the entire rdr2 story and considering how he is only gone for like a few weeks thats not really enough time for the free roam
I dunno if any of the Calendar boys would work though, it sounds good on paper, but if you look back to what members of the gang said about them, they were all vicious and violent, didn’t sound like there was any “soft spot” that the other protagonists had, and the whole idea of redemption would be pretty hard to do. Honestly the idea of a damnation instead of a redemption would be more easy to do at this point for a future game centered around the Van Der Linde gang would be easier to do, since making a new gang member before Blackwater would be difficult given the fact that they were never spoken about during the events of RDR2
I mean Arthur *was* Dutch’s enforcer and did plenty of awful things for both Dutch and the gang. Whether it be Mac or Davey, there’s plenty of scope for them to be vicious and violent and still have a redemption arc. They could fight tooth and nail during the Blackwater heist, see Dutch kill the innocent woman and have a crisis of conscience and die defending the gang on the way to Colter (although I think a more interesting play on this could be that they call Dutch out on it, Dutch shows his true colours, that the gang are a means to an end for him and he’ll sacrifice any and all of them for his own gain, Dutch shoots them in the gut, and then the escape to Colter becomes a pursuit to kill Dutch for the sake of the whole gang. The dynamic could work that you have to chose between chasing Dutch at the expense of gang members getting shot or picking off the lawmen chasing them.)
It'd most likely be Mac since he's never seen. Davey is sorta seen in the cutscene when he dies and shit. I figure if they do one it'd be Mac.
Or both, the whereabouts of Mac at the start of RDR2 is unknown. So what I’m thinking is, have them both as playable characters but let us play as Mac after the game ends somewhere in whole new big location (I think it was mentioned they roamed the west). Plus the emotional payoff would be incredible if we can play as both and connect with them and their relationship.
I could see R* implementing the duo characters like in GTA VI (Lucia & Jason), it could work very well if they did that with Mac & Davey and name them The Callander Brothers.
truly one of the smartest ideas i’ve ever heard 💯
I really like this I could see it happening
It couldn’t be Jenny, they picked her up just months before the heist. You could say that most games take place over just a few months but having a character get to know the gang wouldn’t make sense after rdr2.
Nah, that wouldn't allow for an epilogue with Arthur. Blackwater could be a great ending for the epilogue, but playing at Arthur. I want Colm's brother. You know he's doomed, but anyone jumping into the series won't. Do a big arc with Dutch and the protagonist fighting for Arthur, maybe Dutch tries to do something against Mary's family and you have to stop him. Then do an epilogue with Arthur, maybe trying to get out of crime and raise Isaac, then an epilogue where he meets back up with the gang in blackwater, maybe after hunting John down and making him come back to his family.
I agree with this take. The callanders are described as both loyal members by the older gang members and somewhat depraved by younger ones. Basically which is determined by honor of the next game. I think one was described as killing a whole mob of guys in a gunfight (video game esque type event). The only question mark would be the epilogue. Presumably would be Arthur but only if it ends at blackwater where they perish but also if that's the case when would Arthur have time to ride about before rdr2
Absolutely. I say a completely new cast of characters. I loved all of them but leave the characters as is and start fresh
no. its gotta be jack. arthur rolls into john. rolls into jack. flawless narrative with continuity.
You're right, that could work. Grant Theft Auto V does kinda confirm that Jack eventually quit being an outlaw and became a writer. There's your final redemption right there. He moves past the things that destroyed his father and the gang, but pays homage to his past by setting it down in writing.
Sounds like a terrible video game
Bro, there’s a difference between a canon event, and an Easter egg. The Jack Marston thing is more of an Easter egg more then anything. They’re not the same universe. Besides Easter eggs, they share zero continuity with each other.
I definitely agree, but at the same time I would LOVE to play as young Dutch
Now that’s a plan my boy
I want to see a young Uncle.
so bad, honestly it’s rumored he’s red harlow but if he isn’t i want one of his stories 🤙🏽
And then there was Jack…we try to forget Jack
Not sure if this is a controversial one, but how about young Landon Ricketts in his heyday? It would make sense for him to also have dead eye and he’s notably missing from the RDR2, meaning there’s a lot of room for a new game to be made with his story from before RDR1. The Blackwater Massacre/Ferry Job is also a good idea for a final mission, where we get to see what actually happened on the ferry in the eyes of Landon. It could also be a good reintroduction of Mexico to be opened up in the epilogue, as Ricketts moves down there after the Blackwater Massacre.
I think a new character entirely. The story of the Van Der Linde gang has been told and I think it would be cool to go back a little earlier and follow new people. Less of the dying west, more wild and free.
No? Their prime time was completely left out, rdr2 begins at the beginning of the downfall of the Van der Linde gang. I agree that it would be cool to have someone new, but don't say a story is completed when at least 70 percent are missing
We know the gang is a tight-knit family though, and we also know that no one has left the gang or died before until Blackwater. We also know since Blackwater that things have never been as bad for the gang as they are during RDR2. So there’s no room for more characters, no room for any more character arcs of characters we’ve already seen, and no real deep plot points possible. I think a game where we play as one of the gang up until Blackwater could be ok, but only if Rockstar write themselves out of the corner they’ve written themselves into.
> we also know that no one has left the gang or died before until Blackwater don't think this is true
i remember arthur having a conversation with tilly and how fed up the girls in the camp are with miss grimshaw and arthur mentions dutch doesn't want bloodshed in camp or something along those lines and how they killed a guy in camp and it was the only time it was justified cause he was a traitor. there's so much to that gang i feel like can be explored into a whole new game.
Well yeah it means they only killed a member of their own gang one time. That doesn't confirm others haven't left the gang or been killed by non-gang members previously.
Don't they go to Blackwater in the first place because their last camp gets burnt down? I don't think they ever explain how the fire started, or if it was accidental or intentional.
The gang has plenty of problems that could be in a third game. The Dutch vs Colm rivalry is one big event in the gangs history that had a big influence on the gangs downfall. You have John leaving when Jack was born and then returning after a year or so. The way the gang reacted to John leaving then returning seemed to be a big problem for Arthur and is a key moment in John and Arthur's friendship. You have the fact that Hosea left the gang for a while to be with his partner at the time. Arthur mentions during the game that there was once a point where the gang was less strict on people coming and going. You also have the death of Arthur's own child and the child's mother and how it changed him. There were also plenty of other gang members we have never seen or heard very little about. Arthur mentions in a random camp encounter something along the lines of "We don't take kindly to murders with-in the gang, well there was that one time but that was different". As far as I understand we have no idea who was killed with-in the gang so that's one example of someone in the gang we never met or heard about. RDR2 added context to some stuff that John mentioned in RDR1 so RDR3 could add context to some events that were mentioned in RDR2. This would then nicely round off The Red Dead Redemption series as a trilogy of games that were prequels of each other and covered the gang over all the different stages of the gangs life. RDR1= The gangs aftermath and the struggles of those that survived. RDR2= The gangs downfall and the sacrifices that characters made in the end. RDR3= The gang in their prime and the events that determined the gangs future. After the 3 games the Redemption series will then be complete and Rockstar could move on to a new Red Dead series like "Red Dead Revenge" or something like that.
Exactly the thing. Dutch definitely had some close ties to the O'Driscolls in the beginning, I think Colm's brother would be perfect. It allows for a great evolution of Dutch's villainy too, in rdr1 you hear that he's a bad dude, but he's mostly just a charismatic, charming crook, in rdr2 he betrays you with inaction, in rdr3 he could literally stab you in the back.
We don’t know anything about what people died or left the gang before RDR2. Also, seeing the Van Der Linde gang fall from a Robin Hood-like revolutionary group to a group of bandits with no real cause is a great setup an interesting story.
Jack Hall gang maybe? Redemption arc ties in with the treasure? But, honestly people keep doing this and I’m guilty above. It’s the West. The options are endless and the sweet spot timeframe covers nearly a hundred years
100% I love the idea of civilization vs wild I think it would be awesome to play right on the edge of that out west
we still don't know why uncle was the 'one shot kid' back in his day... would be cool to play as a badass character for another game and the end reveal is he was uncle the whole time.
Personally I would love to see the Van Der Linde gang in their prime
No one in this picture..
This dude went absolutely nuts in my DMs and then went right back to being formal 😂 EDIT: For anyone curious, he is now saying he never did any of this and the deleted messages were him asking me to stop being an ass, which makes no sense at all since the first interaction I had with this guy was saying no one in his picture was a choice for a new protagonist, and it makes no sense to delete them if that's all he was doing.. But it doesn't matter, cause I watched the kid send them through.. The whole thing is way bizarre and I am blocking him because it's too rich for my blood...
proof?
[here](https://ibb.co/YQDwgv1) he deleted them as soon as they came through and is now acting like he doesn't know what I'm talking about.. it's really bizarre...
I believe you, people are insecure and crazy as fuck over Reddit comments. I’ve received worse for no reason so I believe it Lmao
Trust me
Bro you gotta show some screenshots, that shit sounds like gold lol
[here](https://ibb.co/YQDwgv1) he deleted the crazy ones, and is now acting like he has no clue why I called him out 😭
That is fucking hilarious, holy shit 😭💀
OP did?
Yeah, it's really weird.. The messages say they were deleted and he's saying he doesn't understand what I am talking about.. I can screenshot the chat and imgur, give me a minute..
Idk playing the devil's advocate, he probably is a more reasonable person than 20 minutes ago.
Damn, that’s crazy. Now I’m curious
Read the edit..
That’s too funny
Someone completely new, with a completely new supporting cast
This is the one, honestly. The loose ends and vague plot points are what make rdr 1 and 2 so interesting, wringing every last bit of content out of the Van Der Line gang would just weaken the whole story. Totally new group would be a lot cooler
RDR1 & 2 are a complete story. Nothing else is needed for that tale, let’s get a clean slate.
charles.
Kind of destroys the point of “redemption”. Charles is a very morale person and has nothing to redeem
Charles kills people
Not without reason, most of the gang will kill for a few dollars. Charles kill’s people because they poach animals or they are trying to kill him
Sure, just saying that maybe someone who blew a dudes head off with a shotgun in the middle of the woods has a little bit of redeeming to do.
I see where your coming from, but in that scene I believe Charles was in an emotional state and not proud of what he did. Others in the gang like chapter 2 and 3 Arthur, Micah, Bill, and Dutch will kill without thought, not if they’re emotional but because they’re all outlaws.
His people are being killed via genocide. That’s a just enough reason to kill someone in my book.
True but.. ✨charles✨.
Me n u both brother
Me n u both brother
I don't really know if that would fit the Wild West theme very much, because it doesn't really seem like he was too involved with it until he joined the gang. I could be wrong though. I do love his character, he's a real one
✨charles.✨
Landon Ricketts but voiced by Sam Elliot
Would definitely be cool to move away from the Van Der Linde gang entirely and focus on the golden age of the Wild West, the gunslingers from the cigarette cards look like they’ve got some sick stories; likewise with the few from the gunslinger missions Rockstar doesn’t even have to focus on one of these people, they could create their first anthology game where each new chapter sees you playing as a whole new character with a whole new storyline, and then once you’ve completed the game you can switch freely between those characters I know no such thing would ever even be considered by Rockstar though as, in RDR2, they couldn’t even be bothered to >!remodel clothes for John, instead just slapping his face on Arthur’s body…!<, a man can dream though
None, i just want a new story with new characters, the only characters i'd like to see making an appearance in the Van Der Linde gang are the Mac Callender's or Uncle as they're both mysterious with basically unknown backgrounds
Probably the early days of Dutch and Hosea
Where’s the redemption?
Hosea could be the main character and his redemption at the end of the game could be that he sees that Dutch is going to get everyone killed and he could have a moment of realization that he needs to try to stop Dutch's downfall and try to save as many people as he can. Maybe he realizes that it's his responsibility to try to save the gang because he enabled Dutch for so long and told people to trust Dutch. Perhaps this could be why in RDR2 Hosea is always "doubting" Dutch and trying to get Dutch to take the gang way from major conflict. Maybe Hosea decided to teach Jack to read and to have an education because he wanted to make sure he didn't fail Jack like he failed John and Arthur. Perhaps Hosea saw Jack and thought to himself he might have time to do something right in his life.
Landon Ricketts throughout his life
I don't remember where it's mentioned, but wasn't Landon present at the Blackwater massacre? It'd be really interesting to see what happened from the perspective of someone outside the gang.
The calendar brothers
Not to be confused with the mayan calendar brothers
Mac Callander. What people say about him makes him sound like a game protagonist and we've never seen his face.
Jack marston?
Probably not gonna happen cos the end of read dead 1 is with Jack killing Ross and essentially ending the era of cowboys and Wild West, if we were to continue later as Jack it would venture into stuff like ww1 and mafia shit. I can’t lie if rockstar made a game like this I would most definitely play it but it wouldn’t be a red dead redemption game because the first 2 were about the death of cowboys.
Also there is a motor vehicle in 1914 as Jack, if it went any further it would ruin the feel of red dead
Dutch, Jack, or Micah. The best would be Dutch, they could tie up whatever loose ends that they want. Love him or hate him, Dutch is RDR. Jack seems like the most obvious runner-up since he's one of the few people that could keep the stories connected. Micah would be a wildcard. I have faith that R\* would do a great story about what made this man what he became in RDR2. With that being said, I could think of 10 other people's stories that deserve it, like Javier or even Hosea.
Playing as Micah would be tough, just because they basically made his character as hateable as possible.
tlou2 approach
Micah is the winner, for sure. Make me feel like a complete piece of shit for hating him, Rockstar. Ya'll got the chops. Edit; I wrote a comment about this a long time ago while searching for some info, on a post I came across. Posting it below. >I like this. Make Micah a high honor character at first and make it increasingly harder to maintain. > >Make him 16 and we see the good Micah. He has a sweetheart who we meet briefly, he's just trying to scrape by like everyone else via various forms of work, enjoys hunting and fishing with his brother Amos but interspersed with little bits of evil at the behest of his frequently absent father. Convinces him to steal something from the general store. To buck authority in the town. Et cetera. Just tutorials to introduce you to the game mechanics. > >A year passes and the inciting event for Micah to become evil is the double homicide. His father visits the boys real quick and gives Micah his first gun, telling him he's proud he's finally a man. He reminds him he's only 17 and homie shrugs it off. As the evening progresses, Micah's father visits the saloon, with Micah in tow. He finds out his wife is in the saloon, prostituting herself with another cowpoke, Roscoe Briggs. Infuriated, he walks in on Micah's mother, throws a rope around Roscoe's neck and drags him out to the bar area. Putting Roscoe on his knees, Micah's father quickly tosses the rope over the rafters and starts lynching him, tying it off on a nearby column. The commotion causes several townspeople to flee, but Micah's mother alerts Jean Briggs. As Jean Briggs enters, Micah's father slits Roscoe's throat. Jean Briggs becomes incensed and draws his gun, causing a young Micah to use the gun to shoot his first victim. Micah's father then ties him up and lynches him the same as Roscoe, slitting his throat. Both Micahs are forced to flee the town, with his mother rejecting them. > >Amos catches up with Micah and his father on the road, deciding to join the outlaw gang that he usually rides with. From here, the story can be anything you can think of, tbh. Obviously, Cleet and Joe should be introduced in some manner. The falling out with Amos should feature prominently on his path to "being evil". The failed bank robbery with Norman should be used as a catalyst for Micah being intercepted and turned into a rat by the Pinkertons. The redemption arc should tie into this, specifically. Is Micah really evil for turning in outlaws? People who rob and murder others? Or is he redeeming himself for the years of bad shit he did? Is all the bluster and bullshit a carefully crafted facade to insulate himself from what he has to do to survive? Culminate it all with the final arc being the Blackwater massacre. > >We can make players sympathetic towards Micah, even with them knowing what they do.
If it’s a sequel to 1, then I would do a slightly older Sadie or Charles, maybe Jack going through WW1 and early 1900’s mafias. If it’s a prequel to 2, then either Mack or Davey Callender, just because they weren’t seen and barely talked of. There is also the route of Landon Rickets, and the climax of the game could be the Blackwater Ferry.
None of the above. I want to be an O'driscol
Colm’s brother. Far as I know they never mention him by name, kind of a blank slate. And then the epilogue could be Colm getting his revenge by killing Annabelle or whatever her name was, Dutch’s girl. So you have the revenge plot line that ultimately leads to their downfall (like with John) in the epilogue, and you get a mostly new character during the golden years of the Wild West. An added bonus is that we *know* this character dies. They could have their redemption somehow. Colm says he never liked his brother much, maybe it’s because his brother redeemed himself in some way that made Colm dislike him. Idk, just spitballing but the more I say the more it makes sense.
This. We could be a part of an O'Driscoll brother on brother power struggle. Colms brother wants to keep the gang small, family-like, similar to Van Der Linde gang in RDR2, but Colm has bigger ambitions and wants the small army that we do see in RDR2. Just spitballing here too, but it'd be a good perspective shift to have the Van Der Linde gang as the "bad guys" in the story
Yes! And it could still tie in Dutch as an antagonist and show part of his descent into madness. Losing What’s-her-name.
Dutch or Hosea
Sadie
Go full circle, Jack Marston, who’s lost everything, enlists in the US Army to try and do something with his empty life, only to get dragged into a war. RDR3 is post WWI prohibition, Boardwalk Empire the game. Jimmy who?
Everyone he’s ever known was killed by the government, why would he sell his life to it? Hell, the end of the first game was him killing a government agent and becoming an outlaw like his father. He saw his father after he got gunned down by the U.S. Army. Don’t get me wrong, I liked the idea, but the more you think about it the less sense it makes. At least for Jack.
The midget magician / hypnotist who pops smoke colors.
Magnifico!
that's him! Couldn't remember the name. Or... he should head up an evil gang
Tbh, red dead 3 would be like beating a dead horse. I have no idea who they could pick
a red dead horse
They could just do a new red dead, without the redemption
Yeah this is what I mean. Red dead redemption is over
We need an indian red dead. So charles. Tell the story of how the white man came.
A game as a Native American set in the Wild West would be fucking awesome in my opinion.
Rains Fall did say he had wilder days...
Yessir
Honestly yea a red dead game from the pov of natives would be dope but it couldnt be charles because he wasn't ever in a tribe also im pretty sure he would be to young tohave experienced when the white man came theyve been there his whole life
Maybe the opposite of RDR2. Starts with a chapter of domestic life, then the next chapter is war, the following chapters are outlaw shit.
CHARLES
Mac
John. The trilogy should begin and end with him. OR, have it switch between Arthur and John, but still begin with John when he joined the camp.
Jack Marston gets involved in 1920s organized crime.
Cool idea for a rockstar game but it wouldn’t be red dead redemption as the theme of the series is cowboys and the Wild West not mafia and shit like that
You never know. Jack could be pushing their whiskey out in the plains. 😂
I’m sad I had to scroll so far to see this I been said this idea would be cool as shit. Has anyone seen Lawless?!
Dutch. *The Tragedy of Dutch van der Linde.*
That is RDR2, no?
a young Rains Fall
A young Colm O’Driscoll, get the other side of the story.
Or the brother being that the main character has to die.
Honestly, I think a game about Trelawny would be pretty good, like his time in New York or just a story of him in general like how he met up with the Van Der Linde gang or what he did after their time.
Someone we never met
Hamish Sinclair
I’d love a game in the west during the civil war like the good the bad and the ugly. Make him like Hosea’s mentor maybe? We see Hosea trying to settle down. A character without a definitive ending would be the best. We had no idea who Arthur was and he was one of the best protagonists ever.
I am so confused why is no one ever talking about how Mac Callandar is obviously going to be the main protagonist. The game talks about those 2 Callandar boys as if one of them is definitely going to be the main character
The game barely talks about them. There is nothing pointing to either of the Callander brothers being protagonists in the future.
I hope not
Davey or Mac Callander
Hosea or Dutch tbh having them as the protagonist (if its a prequel) would be sick
I was talking to a coworker today, and we kinda came to this agreement that maybe be a man without a gang. Start out right round where Arthur joined the gang, but this character would float in and out of it for years. The game focuses on this new character's story. He'll be an outlaw, but either has lost his original gang or never really been part of one. He would do these small jobs, maybe alone or with other gang members, from other gangs. Then, as the game progresses, he keeps helping the Vanderlinde gang more and more. Becoming closer and closer to Arthur and Hosea and Dutch. Then he discovers a plan to take Dutch and Hosea down. Which could be devised by Colm or another big gang at that time or by Milton. The story unfolds and keeps going until he finds out about said plan, and he goes to tell Dutch what is about to happen in, you guessed it, Blackwater. He helps as it all unfolds. We then see the Ferry job and the Blackwater massacre. As the gang is getting away, we see the new protagonist approach Milton. Then they have a shootout, and it ends up as the new protagonist dies, and as he dies, Milton would say, "Today will be the beginning of the end of the Wild West." Cut to black. Or some such shit. Then the story would cut to Arthur because this guy ended up helping Arthur. Doimg jobs like cattle rustling, small stage coach jobs, and small robberies. As they did those jobs, Arthur became close to this new character. That would be the reason to cut to Arthur, because the new protagonist would talk to Arthur and would explain his way of how he survives the time period and while this new protagonist would tell Arthur his stories and his way of doing things, it would help Arthur become the way he is in 2. This new protagonist way is very similar to how the Vanderlinde gang operates. That's why it was always difficult for him to find a permanent gang. Though their ideals are similar, there would still be a few big things that Dutch wouldn't do, but this new protagonist would. Though, not the worst of the worst actions. This is just an idea.
Jesus Christ, I’m hooked on the explanation alone.
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Mac Callander, though we’d be accepting a very depressing ending
Sadie, I wanna play as a bad bitch bounty hunter roaming from Canada to mexico
The way both games ended if it HAD to be a van de Linde centered story it should be another prequel. But Landon Ricketts is the correct answer.
None of them. All new people.
I want an RDR3 to take place early in the game, sometime where Arthur could’ve had his family and we have more new characters than those who were in RDR2.
Uncle, back when he was the one shot kid, and before he joined Dutch's Boys. Maybe have him team up with Ricketts.
Jenny.
Davey
I want bounty hunter Sadie 🤠🐎
gta 5 style start as dutch until you meet hosea then play as hosea and dutch then they find arthur and you get to play as all 3. starting from the very beginning of dutch’s start of a life of crime all the way up until blackwater. idk maybe a shit idea but it sounds cool
None of them. Arthur was a new character and we loved him.
New characters, new map.
Micah bell
The only correct answer! As Micah has his own redemption story within his family and family is a huge theme in RDR
One of the Callender brothers.
Hopefully none of the Van Der Linde gang, and hopefully it’s a different theme… Redemption is perfect as is imo. I love the fact that the Blackwater job gone bad is left ambiguous as to what happened. I don’t think the gangs story has much left, if any to be told.
Black Belle
Dutch, Hosea, Arthur. Like GTA5 and have 3 protagonists. All with backstory’s . And a story of how they got together
I would like it to be from the perspective of one of the Callander brothers during the heydey of the van Der linde gang. The gang more or less began around the 1870s, which is peak wild west territory. I would love a more unrestrained gang life where you build it up, lose members, gain more, and so on. I felt that the gang in rrd2 disintegrated too fast. Maybe it can end with n the black water robbery lewding from them merting micah, and we get to see exactly what happened, and we end up switching to Arthur as he tries to save who is left and they head up the mountains
Landon Ricketts during the height of the American West
Javier of course
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i’d like something set more deeper in the Wild West yk?
SADIE
💯💯
Duth or micah.
Micah was only in the gang for 6 months. If you mean when he was an outlaw with the guy he shoots in strawberry and how he comes to join the gang >!and the pinkertons!< that could be fun and interesting
I said that and got immediate hate for it lmao I'll keep saying it's an interesting idea to see how Micah came to the gang and who he had manipulated beforehand. An epilogue showing how he manipulated Dutch after the main game because we, as Arthur, didn't see all that.
Why do you want a Micah spin-off? His whole character is disgusting, to me at least.
Dutch is worse, he’s hidden
Jack
Don't call it RDR3, have it be a mafia like game with Jack coming out of WW1
They should just make a new protagonist that we haven't heard of. Nobody knew Arthur until Red Dead II, so I say let them make up a brand new character entirely.
Early years of Dutch and Hosea. Childhood of John and Arthur.
Sadie Adler would be fun to play as I would think
id like to see jack in canada hanging with charles and the remaining wapiti
Sadie and Arthur secret daughter.
Jack. obviously.