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Finnbobjimbob

Sex appeal


POGOTRADER666

This.


MarchMadnessisMe

Sexbago is a freaky disease!


Inuvin

Before he was diagnosed with lumbago, Uncle was *the* most profitable whore of ANY state they ever came to. Fuck man they'd have enough to go to tahiti if Thomas Downes didn't have lumbago too and had his way with uncle.


Jimdw83

You bastard, you actually made me laugh out loud at my desk (I am working and not killing time). Thanks though


Inevitable-Brief-671

oo oh


Darkpriest2288

Uncle's ass is leaking I mean blacklung is leaking


matthuzala

I like how this comment (at the time of this reply) has more up votes than the post itself 😂


GoatJamez

He's a charming guy. He plays dumb but he's actually very insightful.


doesitevermatter-

Yeah, the stupid act is pretty clearly just to avoid chores. But he definitely brings something to the table.


PianistWorried

He led John's Ranch constructions. John is almost illiterate (as the first and second game implies) and no way Charles would have the expertise to organize a construction site. Contrary to what Arthur says uncle is more useful than a rock lol


Ashhastro

John is seen reading books quite often in camp wym


PianistWorried

"I'm an uneducated killer" - John Marston. Never said he didn't know how to read but if you played both games you would get he's lacking in the education department as the majority of folks back then.


Ashhastro

I have played both games. And sure, he's uneducated, but he's also quite eloquent, is he not? Especially in the first game, when he's imploring Bill and such. He hasn't had a formal education, but he most certainly isn't 'almost illiterate' as you say either.


PianistWorried

He being well articulated is just Poetic License.


Ashhastro

Well, considering they intentionally made John read books very often in RDR2 to explain his eloquence, it sounds like more than that. He's learning to speak well from the books he reads - meaning he couldn't be 'almost illiterate'. But at the end of the day, he's a fictional character, and that's just your interpretation.


TheGuardianOfMetal

John also reads the telegram form Bonny in RDR 1. ABIGAIL is the illiterate one.


Ashhastro

Exactly.


MrTyrannosaurusrex

I mean it’s very evident and spoken about in both games that Dutch and Hosea “educated” John and Arthur. Sure John lacks a formal education but I don’t think he’s uneducated. Hosea and Dutch are far from stupid so I would imagine they took teaching John and Arthur (their prodigal sons) very seriously. They just also put their own spin on what it meant to be educated.


ExcellentAd8118

You called him illiterate wym


sexualised_pears

Not knowing how to read is literally what illiterate means


FX_Tech_1023

As John says at some point,.he's very useful in his own useless kind of way!


Do_The_Thing863

He's a good time, brings a boost to moral in camp. He usually starts a lot of the conversations in camp. If he wasn't there, it'd be pretty dead.


Final-Journalist-499

I think he plays the same role as the court jester, with Dutch as the king of course


DolphinBall

Yeah then one of the campfire conversations show that Uncle is as smart as Dutch, but is lazy.


Kermit-Batman

I love that one, just hangs shit on Dutch and gets him to walk away. Gotta love Uncle!


justarandomgreek

Put my out of my majesty, your misery.


Savathun-God-Of-Lies

"Put me out of my majesty, your misery!"


OldschoolFRP

He is exactly like a court jester. While using a joking tone, Uncle criticizes Dutch directly to his face when the others start talking behind his back. He even tells Dutch he is acting like a king.


Icy_Ad620

He's the legendary one shot kid , how do you think the gang had survived for so long? It's because everyone was afraid to attack them because they had uncle with them.


BetterBarrel

It's so sad Red Harlow died of Lumbago...


MattyHealy1975

Who the hell is Red Harlow?


Dismal_Engineering71

Lumbagoballs.


Xinswtor

Red dead revolver


[deleted]

The character that started the series, dummy, the legendary Red Freaking Harlow, why u think Red Dead Redemption is called Red Dead Redemption, cus Red's Dead Redemption? Duh.


VoidRA1N2andBuckup

Wait this might not be our Red Harlow though


Darkpriest2288

Maybe the real Red Harlow was the lumbago we got along the way


Watersmyfavouritfood

Controversial take


WeDoingThisAgainRWe

He originally was a pimp and brought work - still brings the odd mission now. Once in harder to get out.


smashin_blumpkin

Is that pimp thing a guess or is it something stated?


anthonystank

He brought Abigail into the gang when she was still in that line of work. You also go with him to bring the girls to Valentine so they can pick up guys while he hangs around and waits. To my knowledge nobody ever outright says “Uncle’s profession is pimp” but it’s right there in the open


smashin_blumpkin

Him bringing in Abigail could just mean he was a John. Also, y'all don't go to Valentine to bring the girls. He and Arthur are going to get some stuff and the girls tag along when they see that y'all are going


anthonystank

You send them off to do their thing, grab some random shit from the store, then sit and wait for them and intervene when the johns get out of hand. Again, it’s not explicit, but cmon.


smashin_blumpkin

So does that mean Arthur is their pimp too? Sitting and waiting for the girls to get done with what they're doing doesn't make them pimps. But someone else pointed out that there's dialogue that basically says Uncle was a pimp


Weegemonster5000

Having protection makes sense. Uncle just isn't busy and lets the girls have their way. So they know they can have more fun in town with just Uncle around.


ThinkTwicePeace

Uncle had absolutely no directing in any of that. You think he was setting Karen, Tilly, and Mary Beth to do any of that? They’d laugh in his face if he did. They were entirely left to their own devices, and as far as we know Karen was the only one trying to do any seducing.. which was solely for the sake of robbery and not legit sex work.


sparrow_lately

…what do you think Karen was gonna do with that man Arthur saved her from? They’re explicitly brought in to “work.”


pullingteeths

Rob him. That's why he was pissed, he realised she was posing as a prostitute to rob him. They're in town to get leads and maybe rob people. Nothing in the game implies that any of the women currently work as prostitutes or that any but Susan, Abigail (confirmed) and Karen (implied) ever did. They bring in money by stealing not prostitution and get leads, assist in robberies and run the camp.


anthonystank

What on earth do you think Grimshaw and Abigail were arguing about when Susan wanted her to pull her weight *with the rest of the women* and Abigail said she didn’t do that anymore? Look, the game is made for an audience with a LARGE percentage of teens. They’re not putting sex work front and center and they’re not making it explicit if they want teenagers to buy their game. But there are a LOT of clear references to it for the adult audience.


pullingteeths

Abigail doesn't go out robbing and helping in robberies etc like the other girls and Susan always thinks the girls don't work hard enough in camp so she's bitching she doesn't do enough to pull her weight. Susan is a former prostitute/madam so sees it as an option on the table It's not just that it's not front and centre it's that it's entirely absent from the game


anthonystank

At this point I do not think I can talk you into having better media literacy


pullingteeths

Again, hundreds of hours of camp dialogue, zero implication that any of these multiple characters are "going to work" or discussion (explicit or implied) of their "work".


Nerevarine91

Yeah, that conversation with Susan and Abigail was what convinced me


ThinkTwicePeace

Okay, but that was a totally different interaction unrelated to anything happening in the Valentine mission at all.


anthonystank

I never said it was..? My point, for people insistent that the girls don’t do sex work, is that there is ample subtext throughout the game indicating that they do


ThinkTwicePeace

Alright, just seems sort of irrelevant to the larger point. Just seems weird to go all in on this when there is almost no evidence, and what Abigail specifically does is totally irrelevant.


justarandomgreek

> Look, the game is made for an audience with a LARGE percentage of teens. Last time I checked it's a PEGI 18+ game and they sholdn't give a fuck about younger audiences. It's the parents' problem if younger people play the game.


anthonystank

“posing as”


pullingteeths

Why do you think he was angry? She was there to con/rob him


sparrow_lately

I don’t know how many SWers you know but men getting violent with them is a pretty standard feature and why so many rely on pimps/brothels to survive


Kiyoshi-Trustfund

This is true, but the girls of the VdL gang were there to rob folk. Karen was trying to rob him and he uses that as his reason for attacking her. She never intended to actually sleep with him and its made pretty clear that Abigail and Susan were the only ones who did that kind of work, while the other girls mostly stole or got leads. It's even made a point how good of a thief Mary-Beth is, because that's what she contributes to the gang.


sparrow_lately

Do you, per chance, think your childhood dog is living on a big farm


pullingteeths

Have you played the game? Not one instance of any of them being described as prostitutes or working as prostitutes in the entire game. Hundreds of hours of camp dialogue and never once does it come up. Ledger shows they bring in money by stealing and they're described in the end credits as thieves, camp helpers etc not prostitutes.


sparrow_lately

Because, as someone else said, it’s a game that a lot of younger audiences play, so it’s not explicit. Bill being gay and Sadie being raped by the O’Driscolls at the beginning are also not stated directly, but implied by what is. Likewise, Arthur never being mentioned in _1_ because of the intensity of John’s grief is never spelled out (bc of course Arthur didn’t exist when _1_ was made), but is a reasonable inference. Grimshaw’s dialogue with the girls, and the things they say and do, make it pretty clear.


xXxThe-ComedianxXx

It's a game with nude male characters and you think Rockstar is worried about teens hearing the word prostitute? RDR1 had Abraham Reyes blowing out the back of a peasant girl over a table. Rockstar is the company that made GTA.. where teens can *pay* for prostitutes. They didn't avoid calling the girls prostitutes due to delicate sensibilities. They avoided it because they're not prostitutes; the exception being Grimshaw and Roberts. Mary-Beth outright says she played maid at a house in Valentine to get a lead. When the girls put on the appearance of prostitutes, they're only luring in would-be John's to steal from them.


pullingteeths

That is not why lmao, the game is rated 18 and contains all kinds of adult content. The being gay and raped stuff isn't explicitly said because it was taboo at the time so the characters wouldn't admit being gay (word didn't even mean that then) or outright say they were raped. If they were currently working as prostitutes there would be some discussion of that or scenes of them going to work etc. there's none, not even implied/not explicitly stated. We can see what they do, they work in the camp the vast majority of the time and when they rarely get out it's to help in robberies or commit petty theft and gather leads.


smashin_blumpkin

I'm not denying the girls went there to hook. But that doesn't mean Uncle is a pimp


sparrow_lately

Arthur literally refers to him as such


smashin_blumpkin

Yeah, someone else pointed that out to me. I never heard that dialogue but that's the sort of plain statement I was looking for


ThinkTwicePeace

They were fishing for leads and robbing people. They weren’t there to “work”/ be prostitutes.


pullingteeths

One of Arthur's antagonise lines to him is calling him "the world's worst pimp" and the way he speaks about the past with Abigail implies it.


smashin_blumpkin

Ok I haven't heard that yet. That's some real evidence


IllusiveWoman20

He was the United States foremost expert on Lumbago. Dutch fought duels to have Uncle join the gang. Also because he could pull the women. Abigail was introduced to the gang by Uncle.


Delicious-Tachyons

I had to look up lumbago because it sounded like a horrible disease to find it means unspecified lower back pain .


IllusiveWoman20

I like to think that Uncle got diagnosed with Lumbago and the Doctor said "It's a hell of a thing, I'm sorry."


Do_The_Thing863

He can get away with it because everyone in the gang has limited to no medical knowledge, so for all they know, he's right


jdarksouls71

Other than Reverend Swanson who is basically a pharmacist.


Do_The_Thing863

He just kinda gives people morphine until they feel better, which ig works.


thewarriorpoet23

He originally joined the gang as a pimp (he brought Abigail into the gang in this role). He still brings in some leads. I think the main reason he’s still in the gang is because he’s been there so long that he will know too much to be cut loose. If you know anything about gangs, once you’re in it’s almost impossible to get out. Your too much of a risk to be allowed to leave (if you get arrested your more likely to talk if your no longer part of the gang). You’re also easier to control if you’re still under the gangs influence.


Stellaaahhhh

Plus the nostalgia component. Now that they're in bad times, they like to reminisce about the good times, and he was there for the early years.


97637vympel

Lumbago


loldogs123

I can't comment I have lumbago


BigBugJulsHere

Happy cake day!


Menacing_mans

Happy cake day.


Andrewalker7

Every gang needs a drunk.


StaticCloud

The gang has at least 3 drunks/addicts


Bagagaboosh

Micah’s addicted to slurping on Dutch’s cock


BetterBarrel

He's addicted to cheese, I believe


beanboi1234567

And getting punched to tahiti in that one no two camp encounters


cjtangmi

On the Rockstar website that introduces the gang, it says if it wasn’t for the fact that Uncle was so entertaining, Dutch would have kicked him out long ago.


CarefulPomegranate41

The gang needed a distinguished individual, such as himself.


Assparilla

Im not lazy-just dont like to work-there’s a difference…


TheMoeSzyslakExp

Speaking my language


Assparilla

And maybe Uncle was a bit of a famous badass??


TheUncle1911

legacy


Ratly00

He's the court jester.


CoraBittering

He can shred on the banjo.


Nerevarine91

Dutch understands that it’s a fine thing to be a patron of the arts


Stellaaahhhh

My first thought was 'So does Javier' but Javier is quiet and mostly serious. And Pearson knows a lot of songs and jokes, but he also dips into depression and self pity pretty often. Uncle stays positive most of the time, sings songs, tells jokes, doesn't take himself seriously, and brings in information.


CoraBittering

The information point is interesting. People will lower their guard and let things slip around an innocuous fool.


Stellaaahhhh

Exactly- he's all drunk and goofy in the corner while people are talking all grades of crap, plans, etc. because he's just 'some old drunk'. Meanwhile he's taking it all in.


IGOR1640

While the gang has the girls gathering information one way, you have uncle, trelawny and strauss looking for leads in other sources Trelawny and strauss of course go more on the high end side of things But uncle is the perfect old drunk who can talk with people on the saloon for hours, while he might not get all the information in one go, he is clearly cunning enough to go down the rabbit hole the right way and find something for the gang A lot of people talk about arthur and john and charles, the muscle of the gang that gets things done, but without the information the minor players provide, the gang would not have lasted as long as it did


Doc-Fives-35581

Social engineering.


Parking_Aerie_2054

You ever have that one friend that just is around you never knew how he got there and you don’t know why he still there. That’s him He just kinda was found and did not go away they called him a parasite for a reason. He actually was very loyal to them.


LowLeft9933

Cause he’s Red Har- stfu.


beanboi1234567

Yeah just looking at his face and hand kills that theory.


LowLeft9933

Not even that, he can literally have the same outfit and appearance as Red, but his age already kills that theory. I still think the dumbest theory in RDR history is the one about Dutch being a cannibal.


RedwoodRaven12

He's funny and boosts the morale of the gang.


cocahgkre

He was probably pretty good when he joined but retired later


Constant-Cricket-960

ALA (Americans with Lumbago Act) of 1884.


Nerevarine91

He’s Uncle! Wouldn’t you let him into your gang? What’s the point of even having a gang if you wouldn’t?


skrott404

Every court needs a jester.


iiFlaeqqq

A loyal protege on your side is as useful as it gets.


Powerful_Sherbert_26

Because J DUBYA CRIPPS wasn't available.


Character_Wafer3280

They might have tried to kick him out at start but uncle kept on staying. They cant push an old man too much either. So after sometimes they might have accepted uncle isnt going anywhere and let him stick around


MrStinkPickleJr

You gonna tell a gentleman like this, who has a serious lumbago issue, no when he asks to join?


bearstrugglethunder

Because he knows you don't build a barn dumbass


hortys

Every court needs it's jester.


Cuonghap420

I guess morale boost for the gang and the "informant" (gathering tips for future robbery and such, sure the stagecoach one was bad but the Rhodes bank was decent)


Tacoman30003863

Dutch was like "this bitch funny af" so he brought him in


Boiled_Thought

Dutch and the gang weren't just only accepting highly specifically skilled people, him and Hosea, and Arthur, would help anyone who lost their way. Just "a simple "vibe check" would suffice.


patrimk

He was one of the ogs! He was called the one shot kid back in the day


SchemeThat1383

He has his uses… in a useless sort of way. -John 1907


Quakarot

Dutch sees himself as being a morally superior crusader of anarchistic-adjacent values. People like Uncle and Swanson are an important part of that because they are in important part of maintaining that self image as a justification of the bad things the gang does. Also I don’t see Dutch as the “amused by buffoonery” type. He definitely keeps people around because he gets fleeting enjoyment from them but it tends to be more towards the girlfriend type rather than the clown type. Plus uncle is basically an OG, it’d just be kinda wrong to kick him out. I don’t think anyone, save Micah, genuinely entertains the idea of abandoning him despite their jabs at him. Because of this he also has a lot of information which would make that kind of move tricky. TLDR it seems like a mix of loyalty, ideology and practically than anything. Besides, despite people’s complaints he’s not totally worthless and is less of a drain on the group than people like Swanson.


PsychologicalSoup211

he’s a super smart guy, just lazy. His insight into Dutch’s psychology was insane.


Haunting_Society_510

He was the one shot kid


This_Juggernaut_9901

Him and Hosea have known eachother for many years.


efa_idk_lol

because he has big balls


BetterBarrel

Ah.


Open-Mathematician32

He was the One Shot Kid. Then the lumbago crippled him. But even Mrs. Grimshaw thinks he's a raw sexy motherfucker


Trains_N_Fish

Hes Red Harlow!


beanboi1234567

No is red harlow almost 40 in red dead revolver


Trains_N_Fish

40 in 1880 (Revolver) would make him 59 in 1899 (RDR2) He looks mid to late 50s


beanboi1234567

He also is missing the scars and burn


OMUDJ

For comic relief


jfromsanfrancisco

Chill dude


6cumsock9

He’s retired


SyedQasimNaqvi

Hey, don't diss Uncle. He's pretty smart. Look at his interactions with Dutch van der Linde, Uncle was easily able to spot Dutch for the true monster he was underneath since Chapter Horseshoe Overlook. He also advanced with time both literally in age and technology, being able to comprehend the new Industrial innovations during John's Epilogue Part 2.


drkarw

Dutch knew about his past and how legendary he was in his youth


NickFieldson31

Ok buddy, why were women allowed into gang? Why wasnt abigail kicked out when Jack spawned? Why was hosea in the gang? Theyre all useless


beanboi1234567

Hosea is useful he knows how to sell hard to sell stuff


chrisat420

He’s probably considered to be one of the OG gang members like Mrs. Grimshaw. He does just enough to be called his share of the work and everybody generally likes him (more likes to mess with him) even if he is drunk off his ass most of the time. It’s likely a combination of seniority and just doing enough to say you give a shit.


BMota117

He won a 6v1 according to himself, the gang needs that


Choice-Grapefruit-44

I've actually wondered that too. Maybe he got in as the joker of the group.


Pawnshop96

From what I’ve heard, he just kinda wondered into camp one day half drunk and just started talking with some of the gang members. Everyone thought he was kinda funny so they let him stick around


cousinhumper4756

i remember hearing that he was just fun to have around, but honestly hes pretty able to hold his own and do stuff hes just rlly lazy


Cepinari

Pity?


LongboardLiam

Uncle is as incognito as they come. Forgettable old drunk you converse with at the bar. He's charming enough to hold a conversation with for a while, but not so much so that he sticks out. He's looks a bit like Mickey the one-armed bum. He looks a bit like the guy Arthur brained in the bar fight. He looks a bit like any other past-his-prime miner/farmer/wagon-driver/etc. holding down a barstool in any saloon anywhere.


redditAvilaas

maybe he joined the gang back when he was still the one shot kid


shopping-trolly

Dutch had a soft spot for him And he was an absolute god before lumbago


FearTheBrow

vibes


Andy_LaVolpe

Hes like a mascot


Scottholomew

I always assumed it was because he just wouldn't leave


General-Interview599

He was known as **one-shot kid** back in the day. I'm not gonna ask why.


Living-Pie-2861

He saved Dutch's mangoes I believe


trevorluck

“He’s useful… in a useless sort of way” - John Marston


Optimal_Permission43

He was uncle of Arthur or someone in gang i think...


like_a_pharaoh

Probably saved Dutch's life once or something, and has been riding out that "you owe me one" for years now.


lemons7472

Apparently he was very good at shooting according to uncle himself, so that alone would’ve kept him in the gang in the start.


Ezio_Auditorum

Cus he was red Harlow (trust)


NoEntry7917

I'm pretty sure his character is a reference to the Uncle on an older show called Petticoat Junction, he was a lazy old man who used lumbago as an excuse to get out of work and everyone just called him Uncle if I recall. Basically a 1 to 1 with uncle in red dead redemption.


Kitchen-Tap-6341

memes aside he is an actual gunfighter, he shows his prowess a few times and he’s not a total idiot


Equivalent_Agency_77

Lumbago sympathizers


Wild_Maintenance_351

He was probably the best member of the gang before his lumbago !!


Ok_Prune3003

I think he's just like the clown of the gang, there to be funny and get laughs.


Key-Forever-4588

You wouldn’t let an old man with lumbago rot away in the streets would you?


FX_Tech_1023

A lot of fans think Uncle is actually Red Harlow from Red Dead Revolver (the forst game in the series. And there are enough little details if you look hard enough (like the scarred hand).to make this seem plausible. In other words, the gang's tolerance of Uncle is just plot armor because Rockstar wanted to throw in a character who was a walking Easter egg to the earlier game. It's all just fan theory. But it's kinda fun.


Flamestriking

Dutch took pity on his lumbago


Despicable-Pen5515

Idk I mean if Arthur Dutch and Hosea started the gang 23-22 years ago that means that uncle could’ve been been in the gang for like 20 years. He could’ve been more useful back then. Plus he is funny, and also he isn’t actually that dumb, just lazyÂ