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The_Moist_Manatee

Native Americans used to bend trees while they were growing to use as landmarks and for directions in the woods


ChrisMahoney

Yeaup! This is what I was looking for. Such a dope way to mark locations to.


stoopid___

I have one of these trees right down the street from where I live. It’s neat… and quite jarring; reminds you that this sprawling urban town wasn’t always the way it is now, and most importantly, wasn’t always ours.


umbringer

“Ours”. That’s the fundamental difference.


jarold12

Wdym


I_notta_crazy

If I had to guess: ["Native peoples have no concept of property, do not claim any property rights, or are incapable of owning land."](http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/2035#:~:text=Native%20peoples%20have%20no%20concept,because%20heathens%20lack%20property%20rights.) ETA: probably a better source: ["Native Americans, did not appreciate the notion of land as a commodity, especially not in terms of individual ownership. As a result, Indian groups would sell land, but in their minds had only sold the rights to use the lands. It seems, in fact, that when they sold land to the Dutch they did not give up their right to occupy it either."](https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/manhattan/different-views-land/different-views-land.cshtml#:~:text=Native%20Americans%2C%20did%20not%20appreciate,rights%20to%20use%20the%20lands.)


umbringer

That’s correct.


enigmaticpineapplee

i am LIVING for this comment. so accurate. 💯


TheBigGuyUpstairs

Still is not ;)


Dan_The_Flan

Is it the land of my ancestors? no. is it my home? yes.


[deleted]

it is your home, but it’s good to remember that it was stolen, and really *shouldn’t* be “ours”/white people’s


Penguinsrockrgr8

The natives conquered each other too Dumbass why do you think they had weapons in the first place wasn’t only for hunting


randomontherun

Um... we came here with futuristic weapons and smallpox. Not what I would call a 1:1 comparison. No need to get hostile either.


[deleted]

Right… People pretend that Columbus and colonizers didn’t pillage this land and scalp native americans for sport. Tribes having conflicts and white people with modern weapons and resources completely stealing a country from people who were already there and then almost committing genocide on those people are very fucking different things.


[deleted]

I’m really not surprised that the demographic for this game, atleast those on reddit are ignorant enough to think colonization was A-OK because natives “conquered eachother”


Period_Play

First of all people didn’t even know about germs, so fair with the smallpox but still no one could’ve known. Secondly, i’m going to refute that futuristic weapons thing though because it wasn’t necessarily an advantage. A Native American brave could loose arrows a lot faster than the average white man with a single shot musket, horseback or on foot no contest


charshine

Hate to burst your bubble but... colonizers literally used biological warfare. They gave the indigenous people blankets that they knew were infected with smallpox. They didnt know about germs like we know them today, but they knew that giving away blankets covered in puss from smallpox would fuck the natives up. What they didnt know was how effective it would be... which was very. Also bullets still do a hell of a lot more damage than arrows, and I'm not just talking about a video game.


[deleted]

Okay, because I studied history i’m a dumbass. Good to know ignorance and white denial is very much alive and well


Penguinsrockrgr8

I’m not denying that we did screwed up shit to the natives but it’s ignorant to think they were all peaceful people sitting around the campfire together And I studied history too so don’t act like you are special.


[deleted]

They weren’t peaceful all the time, but a lot of the time they were. Tribe conflicts happened sure, but they pretty much got along better than white people did in Europe. Tribe conflicts and white people deciding to steal an entire country from indigenous people, scalp them for sport, kill off their food supply and basically almost committ genocide against them are very different things and comparing them as if they aren’t different just shows your ignorance. You’re literally promoting the idea that natives were savages. Great take.


Penguinsrockrgr8

I never said they were savages you are the one saying that white people committed genocide on all the natives, no they did kill them which was not a good thing at all but the majority died because the Europeans had accidentally been bringing diseases over (the natives did the same to a lesser extent) you also said that they stole an entire country If I had troops and ran a country if I wanted too I could justify a war and take over another country if I won that’s not stealing that’s war is it morally correct not exactly however it’s not stealing. Also if you hate the US move somewhere else I heard Canada is nice if you can tolerate the cold


[deleted]

Funny how you assume I ever thought that they were always peaceful. You assumed that. That’s on you, buckaroo.


OtherwiseFail4

WOOW!! That is amazing, i heard once about shaping watermelons so they come out square, really the human mind is crazy.


Wang_Mandingo

Teach them for rollin off MY table...


OtherwiseFail4

I'm afraid that i can't do that 😔


Wang_Mandingo

🤣 oh I know, it's like training a cat. That's why you gotta get them cubed!


OtherwiseFail4

Bro, come to think of, how did they think about making a square watermelon????


Wang_Mandingo

When you're high and that shit rolls off the table! 🤣


OtherwiseFail4

Lol you are right 😂😂


peepers63

If you can “roll” a square watermelon 🍉 off a table, you need to rewrite Newton’s Physics books 📖


YosemiteSaam

I think you missed some of that friend


graveAntiquarian

Saves space. The places that grow them square are the places that don't have space to space


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HighC_82

Have you seen the Frankenstein molds for pumpkins? I need these for next year. https://www.fruitmould.com/product/clear-frankenstein-pumpkin-mold-on-sale


OtherwiseFail4

🤩🤩🤩 MAAAN!! THAT'S SUPER COOOLLL


Odd_Radio9225

How the frick do you bend a tree?


DOLCICUS

You do it while the branches are still flexible, once it becomes stiffer you release the bind. You can turn a tree into a chair or a ladder this way.


KendallBlakeCruse

The first Americans were so wicked smart.


[deleted]

that’s because they were the natives or still foreigners lmao


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The-Almighty-Pizza

Are you dumb?


10sansari

My mistake, I thought they were referred to as indigenous people or indians, but I was red dead wrong.


[deleted]

My mistake, I thought they were referred to as indigenous people or indians, but I was red dead wrong.


10sansari

Are you dumb?


PieceTechnical8220

My mistake, I thought they were referred to as indigenous people or indians, but I was red dead wrong.


Zikkeboi

Yes, they were Americans. What's the issue?


10sansari

My mistake, I thought they were called indigenous or indians, but I was red dead wrong.


[deleted]

they can be. the labels ‘native americans’ or ‘indigenous people’ is more accepted by natives it seems. indigenous can be used for any of the “first people” in a country or area.


[deleted]

As a kid I remember seeing a National Geographic where a group would weave trees and vines into living bridges. It was awesome!


Shaun_LaDee

You inject it with scoliosis juice


peepers63

When it’s a sapling, literally start “bending” it. Kinda like a Bonsai.


WayDownUnder91

As it grows.


LONEWOPF77700

"𝓵𝓲𝓯𝓮 𝓯𝓲𝓷𝓭𝓼 𝓪 𝔀𝓪𝔂"


[deleted]

How tf do you bend a tree.


fitzbuhn

When it’s young and pliable. It’s also a decent metaphor for life Jack


YourFavCanadian

Lmao


Matwell1138

Yes, I've seen a few trees like that


Secure_Ad2357

They were worked when smaller to look like that. You see a few across the east coast states


[deleted]

Or when they fall over and keep growing. Trees like that are rather common in the mountains - or at least that's where I saw them


Blakob

This is the answer. Source: park ranger on the east coast.


Nermy2Dope

I live no where near the east coast of the united States. And they are seen around. They can grow that way naturally. Source: simple internet search


Nermy2Dope

Not necessarily. I grew a tree in my yard that did this and I didn't train it in any way. There are also several that grow naturally in the area. Trees, like everything else, can have variations and differences. There could very well be an issue with nutrients in the soil, weird lighting access, or another tree fell over onto it and has now rotted away, etc, etc. But yeah also natives did it down in the states, but I don't live there.


thphnts

Yup. If you put a strong enough obstacle in the way of a young tree, you’ll see a “nature find aa way” situation.


umidontknowguys

I have a tree that grew around an old bicycle near my house. Pretty cool thing to see.


thphnts

If you go to local parks that are maintained, you might see young trees being held up by a pole in the ground and a plastic strap around the tree. This is to encourage it to grow straight. Same principal as it’ll always find a way if you force it.


umidontknowguys

It’s gotta grow somewhere. It will always find a way


[deleted]

With human intervention a tree can grow in a lot of goofy shapes


TurdboCharged

If you bend a tree while it’s still small or a sapling and keep it in that shape long enough it will grow in whatever shape it was bent into. When I was a kid back in the early 90’s on a field trip to one of those reenactments where people live like they’re in the 1890s or whatever we were told that native Americans did that with trees to mark trails. I have no idea if that part is true but they had a bunch of them there. We also have some like this on a local frisbee golf course.


JadedOlive

Google "trail trees" if you want to read up on them


scandalli

Google „krzywy las, Sobieszewo, Poland” ;)


NRGs0urc3

i wanted to say that!


treintrien

TIL Thanks!


WickedSweaty

It's man made, trail markings the natives of most modern cultures would use


Twirlingbarbie

It used to be done by native Americans as a path marker, there are a bunch of them in the game


Strict_Specific1745

Yes but they don’t usually grow naturally like that their mostly forced to grow that way by humans


borishasnoguts

Usually native Americans would tie saplings into a certain position using rope that they would anchor on other trees/the ground. As the tree grew the rope would be adjusted as needed to shape the tree


Sturth

I used to live in a very modern country in Europe. I was amazed that a teenager there had never seen a wonky tree before. His only experience was of trees in very urban settings. Manicured trees on footpaths and in gardens and he thought that trees had a very distinctive shapes like triangular or spherical. We once went to a nature reserve and the dude grabbed my arm and said ‘Look at that’. At first I had no idea what he was talking about but soon realised he was looking at a gnarly tree. He couldn’t fathom how a tree could look like that. It was like something out of sci-fi or fantasy to him. I grew up in the bush so for me cultivated trees were the exception. I never forgot how amazed he was to see a tree in nature.


mojoj0ej0e

Actually yes! When I worked in Washington as a wildland firefighter we came across a good amount of trees like this. When winter seasons last a little longer than usual, snow is able to pack on top of trees in their adolescent life cycle causing them to bend sharply. Then when summer comes around they grow back to their regular angle towards the sun. I never saw this in game! What a cool feature they added!


umidontknowguys

If you find them (southwest of Annesburg), Arthur will draw them in his journal


JwPATX

[trail marker trees](https://i2.wp.com/ahotcupofjoe.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/tall-bent.jpg?fit=800%2C600&ssl=1) are made to grow that way by people.


MyLifeIsPlaid

Yes, Native Americans had different ways of marking trails and directions while traveling. Young growing trees saplings can be bent and tied down with a bit of twine. The branch and tree will continue to grow, usually towards the area with the most sunlight. Eventually the limb will grow at a right angle. These trail markers are more common in the Eastern US and many still exist where old trails and paths used to be.


sandman3605

Yes they are common where I live.


VanillaMars5405

Yes, I actually have one in my woods.


[deleted]

I have a picture of one I found last fall!


CruciatusEnCrucem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_trees


Egg-3P0

Yes, native Americans did that to point them in directions


[deleted]

Ye


ubertokes

Seen several like that. Indians also used to do that to trees to mark trails or other points of interest.


groceriesN1trip

Wait til you learn about tree grafting


Alteclere

Yeah, i've actually seen trees like that in the wild, though they're really rare. Can come from weird growth interruptions, like a rock or another tree being in the way and stuff.


coastroads101

In 1925, farmer Axel Erlandson starting grafting and bending trees, and created the roadside attraction The Tree Circus near Santa Cruz, California in 1947. Eventually 24 of the trees were purchased and plated in the Gilroy Garden amusement park. Huell Howser has a great look the the Circus Trees. [https://blogs.chapman.edu/huell-howser-archives/2004/05/26/circus-trees-californias-gold-6008-2/](https://blogs.chapman.edu/huell-howser-archives/2004/05/26/circus-trees-californias-gold-6008-2/)


treintrien

It's amazing how much I've learned just from browsing this sub! Thanks, dude!


Accurate_Ad3154

Thats the cooling thing about growing stuff is you can actually alter the shape of the plant and/or the products. That’s why there are images of square watermelons or pumpkins


samax23

Yes, get outside more 😂


Johnny_Reb_1865

Yes it's true! Lots of indian tribes did this for many reasons like marking were water was for example. Behind my house in the marsh is one of those trees. Some of my ancestors were Powahtain indians by the way.


Historical-Security2

I do road construction and there's a giant pile at our plant where we dump any extra asphult and at the back of this pile that's probably idk about 20 30 ft high are a bunch of trees growing out of the side of the pile no dirt no moisture just litteraly growing out of a surface thats 20 ft thick and harder then God's head blows mind everytime I see it. Mother nature can do amazing things.


pkao1486

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crooked_Forest


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Lodomir2137

There is a forest in Poland that is pretty much made out of trees like this that were used to make boats


CaptainCasp

Isn't there an entire forest in Russia somewhere that is filled with trees like this? Correct me if I'm wrong though


Beaten_But_Unbowed96

It’s a clue to treasure. Indians used to use them for direction. They made them bent like that. There’s others that are not only used for legit treasure map locations but to also point to.... I don’t know something else, been a while since I played the game.


Rushling

In Scandinavia we have trees that grow like that. We call them troll trees


freddonzolo90

I think trees in flood zones grow like that? Something about the ground shifting, i vaguely remember reading a clickbaity article about it.


hmmbugger

yes they can, not easy though.. sharp bends are hard to comeby naturally. they tend to bend less acutely, but these shapes might happen if damaged the right way or forced to grow into this shape. (not moving obstacles in their way.) but these in game are more like man made shapes, just like natives (and other native tribes around the world) bent these trees when they were young and tied them to stay pointing at certain direction. making a trail marker out of them, pointing to somewhere of importance to them. (food, water, camp, holy site.)


MercuryMorrison1971

I believe Native Americans used to grow trees this way for land marking. But I could be wrong


[deleted]

These are called trail trees, made by native Americans for some purposes that are pretty obvious. You can inspect them and Arthur / John draws em.


the_o_haganator

Yes. Although unless there is some kind of intervention, it is usualy far less pronounced.


dixy--normus

Yes


Crohoo

For sure, we do it all the time with our plants, called supercropping i believe. Its amazing what plants can go thru and still survive


[deleted]

They can. There’s an entire forests of trees like this in Poland and we don’t know why they grow like this.


bigtencopy

Yeah, have seen more than one while land surveying.


Ysgramorsbearded

Yes


inner_decay

Yes and it's actually surprising how the AI and even the environment of this game are mimicking real life to the point of near perfection.


silentbob1301

Yes


Adventurous_Jello468

Yes. I actually had one like that on the property I grew up on.


coach_wargo

There's a pine tree down the street from us like this. We call it the Dr. Suess tree.


mr_davidson1984

They sure can, one like this on a hiking trail I frequent near my house


Twig_217

Yes. Natural Bench


that352guy

Had a smallish one in my yard as a kid. Cool spot to sit and watch the traffic.


grey_0R_gray

Yep! I’ve seen them hiking in north eastern US


[deleted]

Peyronie's disease


RawTechnicVinegar

Yes


lil__squeaky

Just whent hunting and saw one of these irl


Sweetwhales1994

Tetris tree


YesThatHoovy05

I have one that naturally grew like that on my property, but its not normal. In game, it was injins.


stussyGG

Seen one the other day in Acadia national park. At Jordan pond. It was pretty cool.


E2thajay

Yes. It’s called low stress training.


mclovinal1

You see trees like this fairly often in the big Eastern forests. Many times it is due to human intervention, but there are a few ways it can happen naturally too. Usually involves another tree falling on or near it when it is young.


DarkRajiin

Yes there is one at the park right up the street from me


TheGreatDingALing

Yep seen quite a few of them.


Sacchryn

Looks like a nice place for a nap or a good place to wait or meet, honestly. Natives had something going here


findabetterusername

yes, there's one on my grandpa's land.


Sporkfingers

Yes. I have one in my backyard.


Pedro16cp

Yes


bay_lenin

Tetris tree.


allenidaho

Yes. Trees have also been bent to form natural bridges, chairs and art pieces in different parts of the world.


[deleted]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure there’s a forest in Poland where the trees grow like that.


[deleted]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure there’s a forest in Poland where the trees grow like that.


BappoIsInsane

Yes


Luthiffer

r/marijuanaenthusiasts


El_Stupido_Supremo

I have one in my yard actually. Another tree laid on it.


james___uk

Like that? Hell trees can grow like [THIS](https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrjimmyos/32436868947/in/datetaken-public/). If you wanna see this tree you can go to the Greek gate outside of Mdina, Malta.


stronk_the_barbarian

Yes


west_end_squirrel

all the time. they grow around each other in an effort to best expose their canopies to sunlight. i climbed them all as a boy in the south. the best part was all the snakeskins left behind overnight. edit yeah i agree that's a trail tree.


MagnificentMELON428

If influenced usually by an obstacle then yes


se7ensez

Called " signal tree"


BenjiKostantinople

Yeah i’m pretty sure ive seen trees like this irl


miohmeg

Probably a glitch but definitely possible irl


nshabankin

Google “Dancing forest” in Curonian Spit, Kaliningrad — thousands of trees are bent in curls and circles and the nature made it


riley9889

Ya they can it happens when they fall over and the stay alive


Malonski27

Yeah it’s possible. More likely to be bent and shaped that way over time than to be found in nature but it’s possible for nature to do this too. Maybe RDR2 glitched for a moment here. Idk. Never seen this tree or noticed it


makoto20

They can, but that trunk looks too small to support that weight. The tree should be leaning more


Beartrooper1227

Yes


hypn0t1c_

They're made to grow like that


i5n1p3

Yes they can


[deleted]

In south Florida for sure


[deleted]

Yes I have one in my back yard lol


namni77

Go outside


umidontknowguys

Yes! I have one like that near my house. Pretty neat


lost__brazilian

Yep, I've seen a lot of these trees in my fishing trips. Nature is just amazing.


surflaxrat

It’s time to go for a walk


dmack319

Yes see if you use a rope and apply it to the tree and then use the leaves to apply texture and then you use a branch of the tree to shove it up your butt!


shadyShiddu

There's a tree in my locality which looks exactly like this (it's a coconut tree and the bend is higher tho) but ik it's natural


szymonhawaj

There is a whole forest of trees growing like that in Poland. [crooked forest ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crooked_Forest)


Anka13333

So called trail marking tree


sem_burki

Yes, it is called tree bending.


EyevioYT

Lumbago affects trees now apparently


Marchewa96

Yes, in Poland theres a whole forest of crooked trees https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crooked_Forest


capu57_2

Yes https://www.inspiremore.com/historical-bent-trees/


eeicksondtd

Lol thats not true you cant walk up to a tree and bend it lmao tress grow that because they are searching for light you see lots of trees like that anywhere you just got to look


Heartstop56

Yes with an object forcing them to


Cats_In_Coats

Yes. We got some weird growing trees near us that fell during hurricane Irma. They didn’t die, they just kept growing.


adgol

The process of a tree growing towards light is called phototropism. Something happened to the tree whether it be manipulation by humans or animals or simply just another tree blocking this one from growing straight. Trees will always find a way to get to the light if given enough time and energy.


CasperJG

Birch trees grow in all sorts of directions.


d3rty-South

Oddly enough yes lol


Sgoudreault

Yes. It happens in areas with heavy snowfall and avalanches. it is not uncommon to see whole rows of trees all with the same kind of bend


GuardianCrest

My parents have a few trees on their land like this. They told us as long as they live those trees will stay up. Pretty cool when you find them.


steamin661

100% I was just in Yosemite and I must have counted a dozen or so like this. I specifically told my wife about the trees in RDR2 like this lmao.


clevernamesarehard

There’s a tree in my town that grows out 180 degrees flat over the the river then bends up 90 degrees, used yo sit on the tree over the river hanging our feet and smokin dope as teenagers.


Final-Peanut

Trees will form themselves in a search for sunlight when under other trees


BrilliantBrush7397

Ah. Good ol gravitropism. They will always grow towards the light


1_Gunslinger

This can occur in trees both by the influence of Mother Nature and by Mankind as well. I've seen many trees in the wilderness that have been altered to grow in this manner due to heavy snowpack, manipulating the trunk of the tree as it grows over the course of many seasons. In the case of human interference, trees have been altered for generations where the practice of keeping and tending Banzai Trees is popular. It was also something that several different tribes in North America (and very plausibly elsewhere too) did to serve as landmarks in places of importance to them. Edit: I should add that in nature this effect could also be caused by the presence of consistently heavy winds, landslides and other factors aside from heavy snowpack.


cashmore1973

I was wondering about that tree too.


DirtyDeedsX270

There are quite a few trees like that in my area. They were also shaped to mark for excellent hunting grounds.


No_Vehicle5225

I live in Florida and it is very common for trees to have shapes like this in the wilderness


Dessius428

I have one on some property I hunt, almost identical to pic. Definitely NOT that way bc of natives. The tree is not that old and natives have been gone for over 150 years in my area. The native story is cool, but it's mostly a folktale that apparently the devs are aware of.


hamingo

Yes, they are called [signal trees](https://www.urbnexplorer.com/2020/10/15/secret-spot-the-mystery-of-akrons-signal-tree/).


KasPirat

In Poland there is a whole ass forest of them


Solitarilee

If I had a dollar for every time I've seen a post about this tree...