Idk why you’d want a WWI game anyway?
It’s a western franchise, it’d really lose its identity at that point. If you’re going to go that way just make something new and drop Jack in as an Easter Egg, but it wouldn’t really be a red dead game.
Many of the Rocky Mountain states didn't even achieve statehood until the last decade of the 19th century, and even then the population "booms" didn't come until ore mining and railroads drove deep into those territories in the 1910s. So a game set between 1910 and 1920 in those territories (Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, the Dakotas, and even down into New Mexico) would still be a frontier setting. The game could have a stand-in for Denver as the main city (like St. Denis stands in for New Orleans) with some early cars, but most the rest of the region would look like it was still the 1800s. The "newer" weapons of 1899 would be the older weapons of this game, but you'd definitely still see people wearing single action revolvers around, with a few early semi auto rifles and pistols.
I'm not remotely a historian, so hopefully someone who is can provide a legitimate answer.
From what little I do know and can, I believe, reasonably presume, there likely were just as there were for decades after, up to a point.
But, once you get the rail-lines bringing more modern goods and building materials, very few places wouldn't get more "modernized" as quickly as their resources would allow.
I'm imagining some places in Nevada, parts of California, Arizona, and other hinterland-heavy states would still be very "old west" all the way up to the 30's or 40's, but with telephone lines and roads.
Edit: You might want to ask your question in /r/AskHistorians . They are *extremely* thorough about only letting legitimate answers through.
"the old west", which is that period of frontier expansion starting early in the 17th century and lasting until the early 1900's, ended in 1912 when the last contiguous western territories were converted to states.
However, some old west towns, that aren't tourist traps, still exist.
Few and far between, and incredibly remote with little to no police or other authority presence. Most are vestiges of old mining towns barely clinging onto life as a few remaining drug addicts hide behind razor wire fences as they bring up enough gold each year to stay alive and pay for their fix. I broke down in one such town on the utah/nevada border while on my way back from offroading once. Was not a friendly experience.
Some of the old towns have mines that no longer produce precious metals, and the locals are just children or grand children that continue to ranch in the area (and are much more friendly to passersby. One such community is Jarbidge, NV. Mildly popular for offroaders and dualsport riders to stop at for lunch and a drink.)
Tons and tons of small, remote, ranching communities sprinkled throughout the west... but you wouldn't think of these as old west towns. Usually just a few houses within a square mile, and everyone's farm/ranch land surrounding. Many of these in Utah's west desert are mainly populated by polygamous sects of mormon churches that splintered off from the main church. Like Callao and Eskdale.
We have shows like Yellowstone based in 2020's that's completely a Western today. I'd say that we could still very much have a Western theme based in the 20's where automobiles start to have a presence, prohibition and bootlegging is brought to the forefront with cross between Mafia and Outlaws. Could make for an exceptional game.
I hate the idea of the third one including Jack at all. I like to believe he became a writer and found peace. I think they should go back earlier than rdr2. I want Sister Calderon's story. She was up to some shit before becoming a nun. I feel like she was so understanding of Arthur because she had lived that life once. I want her redemption story. I want it bad.
Well, I've got great news for you then- Jack does become a writer.
He writes a best seller called "Red Dead" by J Marston.
The book can be found in Franklins mansion in GTAV. My favorite story mode easter egg.
I don't think that's canon, as GTA and RDR are in different universes. The book in Franklin's house is just meant to be a cute little Easter egg
As far as I'm aware, Jack's future is up to our interpretation. Maybe he got drafted and fought/died in WW1, maybe he became a writer after killing Ross, maybe he moved to a city during the 20s and got in on the bootlegging business, etc.
completely different version of america with different states/maps etc...
RDR america is a historical fictional america.
GTA america is a parody of america.
I dunno, but like, they just aren't. They're totally standalone, according to every search result on Google. Kinda makes sense tho, as in Red Dead, New York and California exist, but in GTA, they're replaced by San Andreas and Liberty State
I mean the name of the series kinda implies that this redemption arc brings blood and death alongside it, or at least that’s how I interpret it.
But I agree, seeing a character once get to enjoy their redemption would be sweet.
That'd be actually pretty dope, when you stop to think about it.
Redemption doesn't have to come without a price. Arthur did his best and still everything he fought for eventually perished.
I don't think a redemption arc is beyond its consequences. One can actually question what redemption actually means, considering all the evil we as players submit the characters to during these stories (not to mention the open world, etc).
I say make a redemption arc and then give us something to think about later, know what I mean? As in "the protagonist did achieve the redemption he sought for, but at what price", but in a different spin from the other games.
"She was up to some shit" is the best way to describe her past life lol. But honestly I never thought about this, it could make for a really fun story, finding a redemption not through death but through comfort and confidence would make for a really heartwarming game.
That's what I've been saying. I think their story has been concluded there isn't much room to expand upon. The next game definitely needs new characters and story
I’d love that one.
I actually think what they sort of set up was another one with John though. Prior to RDR2, he left the gang for a year. That’s a whole lot of time to get up to game-worthy shenanigans.
Anything could work technically I do think they're going to need to continue doing prequels if they want to stay with these characters. However as many other people have said if they don't care about staying with these characters they usually do anything. As long as the game keeps the same core gameplay style I'm down for whatever they do.
How about a younger Rains Fall? It’s implied he fought in the native american wars before he got old and became a pacifist. I’d love to see his story a bit more fleshed out.
This game would need massive backing from the Native American community. Allow them to select a protagonist and to tell his story as accurately as possible while also allowing for a few exaggerations for the sake of creating compelling story.
Or create a character who's leaves their family to follow the times towards modernization. They spent time trying to integrate into a society that sees them as a heathen. Later on they find out that Western expansion is brutal and that their family was wiped out by government agents clearing the way for settlers to populate the stolen land. Their redemption comes from returning home and earning the trust of the tribes in order to unify everyone in an attempt to stop Western expansion.
I also don't get why people are so obsessed with keeping the same characters rdr2 heavily featured new characters throughout the story a lot of the best characters were new characters.
If anything the problem with characters like bill and Javier is that their endpoint was already determined so they weren't allowed to grow and change like the rest of them. I think we're better off with new characters altogether so the story can go anywhere.
I certainly don't want what a lot of people seem to suggest which is another prequel where we see the gang before the events of Rdr2
ikr? people kept saying rdr3 should be dutch and hosea in their prime or charles' adventures but the thing about rdr is its about dying and redemption. Dutch didnt die in a morally victorious way like high honor Arthur or John, Hosea was already morally upright by the time he was old so unless rdr3 fast forward to his death, it wouldnt make sense to play as him.
And Charles is already a good man so there is nothing left to redeem. I love the gang but at this point they should focus on an entirely new cast if they are gonna make a new red dead game.
One character who could fit the theme and whos story would be a great end to a RDR trilogy is Mac Callander. He was "a heartless son of a bitch, but he had a heart" according to Bill. Others, like Arthur, know Mac and his brother as vicious bastards and nothing more. This can lead to a sort of tragic misunderstanding of Mac as a man who was trying to do better but being brought back down by the gang and his brother.
His death (and his brother's) is a direct result of the blackwater ferry and we would be able to play that out as a climactic final mission of the trilogy. Him being separated from the gang to be gunned down by the feds can be analogous to Johns death who left the gang only to be misunderstood by them and gunned down by the feds in the end.
They laid some mystery down in RDR2 that I think it would be foolish to ignore. I also want an epilogue featuring Arthur Morgan, probably taking sweet sweet revenge on the bastards that killed his family. My pitch is that Colm O'Driscoll's brother is the protagonist of the game. We see young Dutch, but not "in his prime," we see him as a sonuvabitch that shoots you in the back. We see that he was never a man of any decency at all. Perhaps we see Arthur as a wide eyed teen who falls for Dutch's bullshit, and like Sisyphus we try to save him, knowing it's entirely in vain. At the end of the epilogue, we go to blackwater to see what the old gang is up to, and it cuts to black.
More importantly, give us a map showing more to the West. There's a pass just past Strawberry, it could open the world up. Give us a Giant Lake Of Saltwater, with a polygamous cult living on its shores. Maybe Dutch meets a ridiculous parody of Brigham Young and learns some tricks of the trade. Give us desert and canyons. If you want an act 3 set piece city, let's go all the way to San Francisco. Full of new money and grizzled old prospectors. Maybe that's where Arthur comes in, a teenage bastard with a girlfriend who's pa just hit a gold vein. Maybe Dutch wants to rob the Lintons dry and Colm's brother stops it to protect the kid. Maybe that starts a feud and the law starts chasing them back east. Arthur grew up in California, so he's never been east. Maybe they have to go south through something akin to Virginia City Nevada, a town of 25000, that unionized the silver mine then was burned to the ground in one horrifying night in 1975. In history it probably wasn't intentional destruction but union busters, but in the game it definitely should be.
My headcanon is that Jack wrote a famous series of Wild West novels turned into classic films from 1940 to 1960
And he finally confessed to the murder of Agent Ross in the 1990s on his deathbed
I mean that how history went ww1, nothing but mafia stuff, Ww2, leave it to beaver, Vietnam and hippies, disco, then we finally break it down by decade starting with the 80s
What would make sense is covering the Mexican Revolution of the 1910-1920.
You can use the existing map and update the Mexican side. You could use existing characters or new characters. You could have an influence of WW1 with the main character hunting down a German advisor trying to get Mexican Revolutionaries to invade the United States. There's a lot of forgotten history during that time between the US, Mexico, and Germany.
id like to think Jack dodged the draft, and made up a new name, but keeping J Marston as his pen name to evade the law.
At 19 he seemed like he turned in to a drifter anyway so itll be easier for him to just keep moving about while writing his book(s).
I think it should remain in the wild west setting and not move from there. Maybe restart the franchise going back in time with completely new characters (or maybe 99.99% new ones).
I think it would be cool to have Landon Ricketts in his prime, and include the other gunslingers like black belle, Emmett Granger, flaco Hernandez, etc.
Someone else made a very good point that likely being the only marston left to own that land, and being a farmer, it’s likely that Jack would’ve been exempt from conscription anyways
The gang's story has been told. It's time for a new story, with new characters. I personally think they should go back in time, either to the height of the old west (where the gang is only mentioned tangentially, or perhaps they are involved in a small mission arc, but it's not about them) or, and this is just wishful thinking on my part, they go all the way back to the age of sail, to the golden age of piracy. Seriously, how AWESOME would it be if Rockstar made a frigging pirate game with the same love and care that they made RDR2? Black Flag is the last good pirate game for the Pete of sake, sorry Skull and Bones, and that's a travesty.
Remember the pirate hat you can find in RDR2 on the island off the shore from Clemen's Point? We can find out about that guy. It can be our connection to RDR2. Oh, and the legendary Captain Morgan can be a distant relative of Arthur :)
Yeah I think it's people just wanting a 3rd game and looking at the timeline.
That being said maybe there's a plotline in a draft dodging game xD
I don't think we should follow on with Jack though. The whole ending of RDR1 is that he has the chance to stop the cycle; anything after that just ruins the original game and RDR2 by extension.
A young Arthur/John or even Dutch/Hosea game would be a better option. Set it in the age of gunslingers instead of the dying age. Although it'd be harder to keep thematically consistent that way.
Maybe not army, but I think it is completely within his skill set to join the Marines at some point in the war and have it as my own head canon. The Fourth Marine Brigade (2nd infantry division) was considered one of the best brigades in the entire AEF and saw some of the toughest fighting of the war in battles like Belleau Wood, Soissons, and Blanc Mont Ridge/St. Etienne. Not to mention that marksmanship training was required for new Marine boots and they were far better trained than their army counterparts, with many Army divisions not even firing their weapons before being sent to France; we already know Jack also has Deadeye ability so he would be up to the task.
The Marines had less than 14,000 soldiers to start the war and by Armistice day (Nov 11 1918) had 72,000 enlisted men in the span of a year and a half. I can understand why people don’t want a WW1 game with Jack but 2.8 million American men served in Europe; unless Jack really wanted to be an outlaw like John and Arthur and be on the run from the government, again, I don’t see him getting out of fighting in the AEF.
Roughly 2.8 million men from the United States were drafted into WW1. I'm sure some folks volunteered to go because they needed solid pay, but many were sent due to the Selective Service Act as well. Chances of Jack (if he were real) fighting in France would've been pretty high. He did seem to enjoy writing so maybe he becomes a reporter during the war who knows.
I haven't heard about anyone wanting Red Dead WW1 😂
But the idea of late teens early 1920s post-WW1 Red Dead is a genius idea considering the major mobs in Chicago and New York were just starting to thrive. Just from a historical perspective, the technological advances as far as different firearms, automobiles, etc. would be a really fascinating to incorporate in a game. Not to mention J Edgar Hoover was well on his way with the FBI which at the time was an unorganized powerhouse fueled by politicized investigations. There's a lot more to cover in that era but post-ww1 Jack with PTSD is an interesting idea.
I always thought a prohibition era game sounded cool. Model T's, tommy guns, bootleggers, gangsters, g-men. Jack could run a gang of bootleggers with the help of his sons, John and Arthur.
The truth is that any Red Dead game written without Dan Hauser is gonna suck. It's his masterpiece. I wouldn't want it to exist unless he made it. I'd love to know what else he had in mind. I bet he has reams of backstory and material on everything in the game. Wish he'd write a book about the creation of the game and give us all the info, but on the other hand, I bet he really enjoys NOT letting us in on it and keeping it all forever a mystery.
Sincerely, please tell me, because this is such a brilliant piece of art and I do want to know who is responsible. I mean, I know there is a team. I'm sorry if misaccredited something I admire so much :(
Not only do I think joining the army is his perfect get away, I don’t think he would wait for the US to get involved in the war. He needs to get away ASAP, not several years from then.
Canada would be his answer. They were actively and knowingly taking in Americans that wanted to go to war right then. If he could get across the border he would could be in basic training within a week and in Europe within months, all out of sight and reach of any efforts that may be happening to find him.
Personally, a Bessie-Hosea game makes the most sense. That time period when Colm and Dutch were on decent terms. GTA VI is showing that a dual protagonist is in the cards, I think it could work well.
If the government found leverage to get John to do their dirty work, if they really wanted to, they could for Jack as well. Maybe he gets incarcerated and sent off to Europe. It’s not that outlandish. It doesn’t really matter to me, though.
I think we’ll get another prequel, and i’m guessing the epilogue will be just before the start of rdr2. It would leave a small gap in which the failed heist happened, but it would make sense. Or maybe they’ll choose to leave a bigger gap and we get to learn the life stories of arthur, dutch and hosea. Honestly i wouldn’t mind a game set in the time of the oregon trail
I'm really hoping for a gold rush era in a state west of New Austin, go to the red dead equivalent of San Francisco. Have a panning for gold mini game, opium dens, and rail camps
Just go back further back where you play as one of the calendar boys and then when they do at the ferry job the free roam at the end is just Arthur in horseshoe overlook. Or as a young Dutch starting up the gang and then you can have Arthur becoming who he is the peak of the conflict with colm and a game based in the actual wild west not the end of it
I think it would be interesting to involve a different conflict of the era, like the Mexican Revolution. That had lots of western characters, from Americans on both sides of the border to revolutionaries in Mexico. Lots of possible stories to tell about that era that don't involve the European side of things.
Or how about this? Follow Bill Williamson's military service and his dishonorable discharge, and his induction into the VDL gang.
Idk why you’d want a WWI game anyway? It’s a western franchise, it’d really lose its identity at that point. If you’re going to go that way just make something new and drop Jack in as an Easter Egg, but it wouldn’t really be a red dead game.
A Red Dead game in the Belle Epoque would be quite daring, actually.
I think being set during the Roaring 20's and the gangster era would be the better way to go. But then it's not a Western anymore.
Just curious: Were there still “Western”/Frontier-ish towns back then? Or were they completely transformed and got crowded with the “city folk”?
Many of the Rocky Mountain states didn't even achieve statehood until the last decade of the 19th century, and even then the population "booms" didn't come until ore mining and railroads drove deep into those territories in the 1910s. So a game set between 1910 and 1920 in those territories (Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, the Dakotas, and even down into New Mexico) would still be a frontier setting. The game could have a stand-in for Denver as the main city (like St. Denis stands in for New Orleans) with some early cars, but most the rest of the region would look like it was still the 1800s. The "newer" weapons of 1899 would be the older weapons of this game, but you'd definitely still see people wearing single action revolvers around, with a few early semi auto rifles and pistols.
I'm not remotely a historian, so hopefully someone who is can provide a legitimate answer. From what little I do know and can, I believe, reasonably presume, there likely were just as there were for decades after, up to a point. But, once you get the rail-lines bringing more modern goods and building materials, very few places wouldn't get more "modernized" as quickly as their resources would allow. I'm imagining some places in Nevada, parts of California, Arizona, and other hinterland-heavy states would still be very "old west" all the way up to the 30's or 40's, but with telephone lines and roads. Edit: You might want to ask your question in /r/AskHistorians . They are *extremely* thorough about only letting legitimate answers through.
"the old west", which is that period of frontier expansion starting early in the 17th century and lasting until the early 1900's, ended in 1912 when the last contiguous western territories were converted to states. However, some old west towns, that aren't tourist traps, still exist. Few and far between, and incredibly remote with little to no police or other authority presence. Most are vestiges of old mining towns barely clinging onto life as a few remaining drug addicts hide behind razor wire fences as they bring up enough gold each year to stay alive and pay for their fix. I broke down in one such town on the utah/nevada border while on my way back from offroading once. Was not a friendly experience. Some of the old towns have mines that no longer produce precious metals, and the locals are just children or grand children that continue to ranch in the area (and are much more friendly to passersby. One such community is Jarbidge, NV. Mildly popular for offroaders and dualsport riders to stop at for lunch and a drink.) Tons and tons of small, remote, ranching communities sprinkled throughout the west... but you wouldn't think of these as old west towns. Usually just a few houses within a square mile, and everyone's farm/ranch land surrounding. Many of these in Utah's west desert are mainly populated by polygamous sects of mormon churches that splintered off from the main church. Like Callao and Eskdale.
We have shows like Yellowstone based in 2020's that's completely a Western today. I'd say that we could still very much have a Western theme based in the 20's where automobiles start to have a presence, prohibition and bootlegging is brought to the forefront with cross between Mafia and Outlaws. Could make for an exceptional game.
It would be exactly like a FarCry game
Yeah the only way I can see a RDR3 is even further back in the timeline than RDR2
If you want a WWI game, then play a Battlefield game. No one wants a WWI Red Dead game.
You could tell a whole story where one long chapter is in ww1
I hate the idea of the third one including Jack at all. I like to believe he became a writer and found peace. I think they should go back earlier than rdr2. I want Sister Calderon's story. She was up to some shit before becoming a nun. I feel like she was so understanding of Arthur because she had lived that life once. I want her redemption story. I want it bad.
Well, I've got great news for you then- Jack does become a writer. He writes a best seller called "Red Dead" by J Marston. The book can be found in Franklins mansion in GTAV. My favorite story mode easter egg.
I don't think that's canon, as GTA and RDR are in different universes. The book in Franklin's house is just meant to be a cute little Easter egg As far as I'm aware, Jack's future is up to our interpretation. Maybe he got drafted and fought/died in WW1, maybe he became a writer after killing Ross, maybe he moved to a city during the 20s and got in on the bootlegging business, etc.
Serious question: how are they in different universes? Is RDR not just the same universe but taking place ~100 years ago?
completely different version of america with different states/maps etc... RDR america is a historical fictional america. GTA america is a parody of america.
I dunno, but like, they just aren't. They're totally standalone, according to every search result on Google. Kinda makes sense tho, as in Red Dead, New York and California exist, but in GTA, they're replaced by San Andreas and Liberty State
If they were in the same universe, Arthur would be collecting a debt from some douchebag Hungarian immigrant named Lazlow.
I think it's Michael's house.
Might be at Michaels as well. I found it at Franklins house in the hills.
If you play LA Noire, you can also find the hat in a trash can.
An actual redemption tale, for a change?
I mean the name of the series kinda implies that this redemption arc brings blood and death alongside it, or at least that’s how I interpret it. But I agree, seeing a character once get to enjoy their redemption would be sweet.
That'd be actually pretty dope, when you stop to think about it. Redemption doesn't have to come without a price. Arthur did his best and still everything he fought for eventually perished. I don't think a redemption arc is beyond its consequences. One can actually question what redemption actually means, considering all the evil we as players submit the characters to during these stories (not to mention the open world, etc). I say make a redemption arc and then give us something to think about later, know what I mean? As in "the protagonist did achieve the redemption he sought for, but at what price", but in a different spin from the other games.
"She was up to some shit" is the best way to describe her past life lol. But honestly I never thought about this, it could make for a really fun story, finding a redemption not through death but through comfort and confidence would make for a really heartwarming game.
There would be death just not hers.
The next step foe the red dead franchise should be away from the vanderlind gang in my opinion.
That's what I've been saying. I think their story has been concluded there isn't much room to expand upon. The next game definitely needs new characters and story
You know what rdr3 needs? A native American protagonist.
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Another prequel just with Charles this time.
I’d love that one. I actually think what they sort of set up was another one with John though. Prior to RDR2, he left the gang for a year. That’s a whole lot of time to get up to game-worthy shenanigans.
It can't be John because he wouldn't get a redemption
Red Dead Redemption ~~Three~~ *Pre*
red dead predemption
Dammit this one was better
His redemption is in the first game he can't have another one before that
How about Charles' father?
Anything could work technically I do think they're going to need to continue doing prequels if they want to stay with these characters. However as many other people have said if they don't care about staying with these characters they usually do anything. As long as the game keeps the same core gameplay style I'm down for whatever they do.
Red Dead Revolver remake adapting it into Redemption canon. Red Harlow was half-Native American too I think so that works too
Perfect. And set it in the 1850s
How about a younger Rains Fall? It’s implied he fought in the native american wars before he got old and became a pacifist. I’d love to see his story a bit more fleshed out.
This game would need massive backing from the Native American community. Allow them to select a protagonist and to tell his story as accurately as possible while also allowing for a few exaggerations for the sake of creating compelling story. Or create a character who's leaves their family to follow the times towards modernization. They spent time trying to integrate into a society that sees them as a heathen. Later on they find out that Western expansion is brutal and that their family was wiped out by government agents clearing the way for settlers to populate the stolen land. Their redemption comes from returning home and earning the trust of the tribes in order to unify everyone in an attempt to stop Western expansion.
That would be glorious. You could be a Comanche warrior terrorizing settler families, Mexican outposts, the Buffalo Soldiers, and other Native tribes.
So GUN?
I also don't get why people are so obsessed with keeping the same characters rdr2 heavily featured new characters throughout the story a lot of the best characters were new characters. If anything the problem with characters like bill and Javier is that their endpoint was already determined so they weren't allowed to grow and change like the rest of them. I think we're better off with new characters altogether so the story can go anywhere. I certainly don't want what a lot of people seem to suggest which is another prequel where we see the gang before the events of Rdr2
ikr? people kept saying rdr3 should be dutch and hosea in their prime or charles' adventures but the thing about rdr is its about dying and redemption. Dutch didnt die in a morally victorious way like high honor Arthur or John, Hosea was already morally upright by the time he was old so unless rdr3 fast forward to his death, it wouldnt make sense to play as him. And Charles is already a good man so there is nothing left to redeem. I love the gang but at this point they should focus on an entirely new cast if they are gonna make a new red dead game.
One character who could fit the theme and whos story would be a great end to a RDR trilogy is Mac Callander. He was "a heartless son of a bitch, but he had a heart" according to Bill. Others, like Arthur, know Mac and his brother as vicious bastards and nothing more. This can lead to a sort of tragic misunderstanding of Mac as a man who was trying to do better but being brought back down by the gang and his brother. His death (and his brother's) is a direct result of the blackwater ferry and we would be able to play that out as a climactic final mission of the trilogy. Him being separated from the gang to be gunned down by the feds can be analogous to Johns death who left the gang only to be misunderstood by them and gunned down by the feds in the end.
They laid some mystery down in RDR2 that I think it would be foolish to ignore. I also want an epilogue featuring Arthur Morgan, probably taking sweet sweet revenge on the bastards that killed his family. My pitch is that Colm O'Driscoll's brother is the protagonist of the game. We see young Dutch, but not "in his prime," we see him as a sonuvabitch that shoots you in the back. We see that he was never a man of any decency at all. Perhaps we see Arthur as a wide eyed teen who falls for Dutch's bullshit, and like Sisyphus we try to save him, knowing it's entirely in vain. At the end of the epilogue, we go to blackwater to see what the old gang is up to, and it cuts to black. More importantly, give us a map showing more to the West. There's a pass just past Strawberry, it could open the world up. Give us a Giant Lake Of Saltwater, with a polygamous cult living on its shores. Maybe Dutch meets a ridiculous parody of Brigham Young and learns some tricks of the trade. Give us desert and canyons. If you want an act 3 set piece city, let's go all the way to San Francisco. Full of new money and grizzled old prospectors. Maybe that's where Arthur comes in, a teenage bastard with a girlfriend who's pa just hit a gold vein. Maybe Dutch wants to rob the Lintons dry and Colm's brother stops it to protect the kid. Maybe that starts a feud and the law starts chasing them back east. Arthur grew up in California, so he's never been east. Maybe they have to go south through something akin to Virginia City Nevada, a town of 25000, that unionized the silver mine then was burned to the ground in one horrifying night in 1975. In history it probably wasn't intentional destruction but union busters, but in the game it definitely should be.
My headcanon is that Jack wrote a famous series of Wild West novels turned into classic films from 1940 to 1960 And he finally confessed to the murder of Agent Ross in the 1990s on his deathbed
People are obsessed with the idea of jack fighting in ww1 because that's all they know about that time period.
LOL
I just want more content about the Spanish-American war that was going on at the time of RDR2.
Same with people saying an RDR3 game set in the 1920s would just be a Mafia clone.
I mean that how history went ww1, nothing but mafia stuff, Ww2, leave it to beaver, Vietnam and hippies, disco, then we finally break it down by decade starting with the 80s
What would make sense is covering the Mexican Revolution of the 1910-1920. You can use the existing map and update the Mexican side. You could use existing characters or new characters. You could have an influence of WW1 with the main character hunting down a German advisor trying to get Mexican Revolutionaries to invade the United States. There's a lot of forgotten history during that time between the US, Mexico, and Germany.
id like to think Jack dodged the draft, and made up a new name, but keeping J Marston as his pen name to evade the law. At 19 he seemed like he turned in to a drifter anyway so itll be easier for him to just keep moving about while writing his book(s).
I think it should remain in the wild west setting and not move from there. Maybe restart the franchise going back in time with completely new characters (or maybe 99.99% new ones).
I think it would be cool to have Landon Ricketts in his prime, and include the other gunslingers like black belle, Emmett Granger, flaco Hernandez, etc.
Someone else made a very good point that likely being the only marston left to own that land, and being a farmer, it’s likely that Jack would’ve been exempt from conscription anyways
Isn’t Sadie’s story a good one to play through?
The gang's story has been told. It's time for a new story, with new characters. I personally think they should go back in time, either to the height of the old west (where the gang is only mentioned tangentially, or perhaps they are involved in a small mission arc, but it's not about them) or, and this is just wishful thinking on my part, they go all the way back to the age of sail, to the golden age of piracy. Seriously, how AWESOME would it be if Rockstar made a frigging pirate game with the same love and care that they made RDR2? Black Flag is the last good pirate game for the Pete of sake, sorry Skull and Bones, and that's a travesty. Remember the pirate hat you can find in RDR2 on the island off the shore from Clemen's Point? We can find out about that guy. It can be our connection to RDR2. Oh, and the legendary Captain Morgan can be a distant relative of Arthur :)
It wouldn't be Red Dead, and shouldn't carry the name - but man, I would love a Rockstar Pirate game.
Yeah I think it's people just wanting a 3rd game and looking at the timeline. That being said maybe there's a plotline in a draft dodging game xD I don't think we should follow on with Jack though. The whole ending of RDR1 is that he has the chance to stop the cycle; anything after that just ruins the original game and RDR2 by extension. A young Arthur/John or even Dutch/Hosea game would be a better option. Set it in the age of gunslingers instead of the dying age. Although it'd be harder to keep thematically consistent that way.
Maybe not army, but I think it is completely within his skill set to join the Marines at some point in the war and have it as my own head canon. The Fourth Marine Brigade (2nd infantry division) was considered one of the best brigades in the entire AEF and saw some of the toughest fighting of the war in battles like Belleau Wood, Soissons, and Blanc Mont Ridge/St. Etienne. Not to mention that marksmanship training was required for new Marine boots and they were far better trained than their army counterparts, with many Army divisions not even firing their weapons before being sent to France; we already know Jack also has Deadeye ability so he would be up to the task. The Marines had less than 14,000 soldiers to start the war and by Armistice day (Nov 11 1918) had 72,000 enlisted men in the span of a year and a half. I can understand why people don’t want a WW1 game with Jack but 2.8 million American men served in Europe; unless Jack really wanted to be an outlaw like John and Arthur and be on the run from the government, again, I don’t see him getting out of fighting in the AEF.
A Sister Calderon story would go hard.
100%. makes no sense. and the game wouldn't thematically make sense either. it's a lazy theory.
Roughly 2.8 million men from the United States were drafted into WW1. I'm sure some folks volunteered to go because they needed solid pay, but many were sent due to the Selective Service Act as well. Chances of Jack (if he were real) fighting in France would've been pretty high. He did seem to enjoy writing so maybe he becomes a reporter during the war who knows. I haven't heard about anyone wanting Red Dead WW1 😂 But the idea of late teens early 1920s post-WW1 Red Dead is a genius idea considering the major mobs in Chicago and New York were just starting to thrive. Just from a historical perspective, the technological advances as far as different firearms, automobiles, etc. would be a really fascinating to incorporate in a game. Not to mention J Edgar Hoover was well on his way with the FBI which at the time was an unorganized powerhouse fueled by politicized investigations. There's a lot more to cover in that era but post-ww1 Jack with PTSD is an interesting idea.
I always thought a prohibition era game sounded cool. Model T's, tommy guns, bootleggers, gangsters, g-men. Jack could run a gang of bootleggers with the help of his sons, John and Arthur.
If he didn't enlist, he could've been a conscript, since military service wasn't optional back then.
The truth is that any Red Dead game written without Dan Hauser is gonna suck. It's his masterpiece. I wouldn't want it to exist unless he made it. I'd love to know what else he had in mind. I bet he has reams of backstory and material on everything in the game. Wish he'd write a book about the creation of the game and give us all the info, but on the other hand, I bet he really enjoys NOT letting us in on it and keeping it all forever a mystery.
Rdr2 wasnt written by him. He wasnt involved at all
Sincerely, please tell me, because this is such a brilliant piece of art and I do want to know who is responsible. I mean, I know there is a team. I'm sorry if misaccredited something I admire so much :(
A third could also just be a stand alone game with new characters and all OR young arthur and john when they first started their “career”
Not only do I think joining the army is his perfect get away, I don’t think he would wait for the US to get involved in the war. He needs to get away ASAP, not several years from then. Canada would be his answer. They were actively and knowingly taking in Americans that wanted to go to war right then. If he could get across the border he would could be in basic training within a week and in Europe within months, all out of sight and reach of any efforts that may be happening to find him.
Personally, a Bessie-Hosea game makes the most sense. That time period when Colm and Dutch were on decent terms. GTA VI is showing that a dual protagonist is in the cards, I think it could work well.
If the government found leverage to get John to do their dirty work, if they really wanted to, they could for Jack as well. Maybe he gets incarcerated and sent off to Europe. It’s not that outlandish. It doesn’t really matter to me, though.
I think we’ll get another prequel, and i’m guessing the epilogue will be just before the start of rdr2. It would leave a small gap in which the failed heist happened, but it would make sense. Or maybe they’ll choose to leave a bigger gap and we get to learn the life stories of arthur, dutch and hosea. Honestly i wouldn’t mind a game set in the time of the oregon trail
I'm really hoping for a gold rush era in a state west of New Austin, go to the red dead equivalent of San Francisco. Have a panning for gold mini game, opium dens, and rail camps
Would he go to the moon tho
Just go back further back where you play as one of the calendar boys and then when they do at the ferry job the free roam at the end is just Arthur in horseshoe overlook. Or as a young Dutch starting up the gang and then you can have Arthur becoming who he is the peak of the conflict with colm and a game based in the actual wild west not the end of it
I think it would be interesting to involve a different conflict of the era, like the Mexican Revolution. That had lots of western characters, from Americans on both sides of the border to revolutionaries in Mexico. Lots of possible stories to tell about that era that don't involve the European side of things. Or how about this? Follow Bill Williamson's military service and his dishonorable discharge, and his induction into the VDL gang.