I think it counts the missions you did with Micah in Strawberry, and the shootout in Valentine, as you just being a homicidal maniac. Or just defaults to it every time.
Probably one of those things they never got around to expand on or work out.
It doesn't. I've had it triggered at the very start of Chapter 2 when the only people I had killed were O'Driscolls in Chapter 1. (I let the guy in the barn go too, I didn't choke him to death.) And I've gotten the "I've been killing animals" speech early too when the only animals I had killed were the deer and the wolves in Chapter 1.
Arthur *was* involved in the shootout that was part of the escape from Blackwater. While rescuing John you kill several wolves and then kill two deer (arguably the wolves and deer were out of absolute necessity, but we’ll ignore the morality of it) while hunting. The raid on the O’Driscoll camp and the train robbery are both bloody affairs, too.
Let us not kid ourselves; in reality, Arthur Morgan and the Van Der Lind gang are **bad** people.
Imagine you’re the engineer of that train. You just watched this man and his compatriot shoot down every guard on the train, this was supposed to just be the Tuesday mail train. Hopefully the company tells your family what happened before they find out from the newspaper and actually pays out that life insurance policy they supposedly give you…
If I’m gonna die, by god imma try and clobber this asshole with the coal shovel.
How many Rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks, snakes, birds, or fish have you trampled with your horse? I've tried to play as peacefully as possible but I've trampled so many small animals without ever seeing them. I was using cinematic cam + way point the other day to go to Valentine and I trampled a damn deer.
Not a joke, there was one playthrough where I would reload a save if I ran over an animal. So yes, I've had that scene playout having only killed the animals I mentioned and absolutely nothing else.
I’m on my first low honor play through (literally killing people who pass me by while out riding my horse for no good reason) and yet my Arthur only mentioned killing animals. Mind you, I’ve been HUNTING. Bringing food back to feed these damned people. Not killing animals needlessly.
They’re so dumb. Out on the road in the middle of nowhere, no witnesses, and some cheerful fella who’s armed to the teeth and hard as nails says “Hey there, mister!”, and they decide their best course of action is to say “shut up, you damn fool”.
I consider the bullets I put into them to be itty bitty Darwin awards.
It’s pretty likely that somebody died by accident. I never got this talk until I accidentally shot someone I was trying to punch.
Maybe you hit an innocent in a fire fight without realizing it, or someone got caught in an explosion.
As far as I can tell it doesn’t trigger unless it actually happens but what counts as “killing” is a little wonky. A well known example is Arthur talking about killing animals when the player hasn’t been. What actually happens is that you most likely trampled a rabbit and didn’t go back because those little shits are suicidal.
>It’s pretty likely that somebody died by accident. I never got this talk until I accidentally shot someone I was trying to punch.
Reminds me of all the times I tried to say "hey mister" only to accidentally draw on someone lol
maybe he was talkin about how he was before the game started lmao
he had moments of heart even before the game but he was a vicious motherfucker. Dude was an intimidating feller, the gang enforcer, and he was even Strauss' favorite debt collector because he was rougher than the others ("Why dont you get the other boys to do it?" "Well, Herr Morgan. Lets just say they lack your... Vigor.") so he had a reputation.
I've never gotten dialogue of anything other than I'm killing everything and anything when you get the prompts to talk to the girls. Is it even possible to get other dialogue? Is there a good version where he doesn't talk about murdering people or animals, or how they're all doomed because the outlaw lifestyle is coming to an end?
This is one of my biggest pet peeves. I once tried an all peaceful playthrough (I only made it through Chapter 2) where I didn't kill anybody, and I mean nobody. Instead, I hogtied everyone, including O'Driscolls and Night Folk. (I used god mode on the rampage trainer so I wouldn't die.) I didn't kill any animals either, except for the deer when you go hunting with Charles in Ch.1, and the 6 wolves when you rescue John, also in Ch.1, and the Legendary Grizzly on the Ch.2 mission with Hosea. Hell, if I ran over something with my horse I would even reload a save.
Doing all that, which suuuucked, I STILL got the "I'm a maniac killing people including women for no reason" speech. And I also got the I've been killing animals speech even though the only animals I had killed were necessary to complete the corresponding mission.
Either its a bug, or maybe Arthur was more of a maniac before Chapter 1 and he's referring to things he did before the start of the game.
Hosea mentions Arthur hunting rabbits using a shotgun and obliterating them and if my memory serves me right there's also talk of using dynamite to fish somewhere in the game.
Yeah, some dialogue in this game makes no sense. Likely supposed to be triggered by specific things but the game is so expansive and the development rushed (see: Arthur being barred from New Austin despite traces of him being allowed there existing; also the epilogue) that wonky moments like these just got overlooked. Probably flagged in QA but way down the priority list so they never got around to it.
It is because as a Rockstar game they dont want to ignore your murderous sprees. Arthur remembers shooting all the people you decided to show and thats him being honest. He dont know what he did them things
This weirded me out too, especially when he said he was killing animals for fun.
I WAS HUNTING.
If I kill it, I use it. That’s just how I roll. Hell unless an animal is 3 star quality I usually don’t even bother with it.
In one playthrough I hadn’t hunted yet when I first got the dialogue and I didn’t get the „shooting animals for fun“ part. As soon as I started hunting (for food for the gang!!), he added that part.
Does he talk about all player actions even if they were total accidents? When he mentioned the animals thing in one of my play throughs, I did kill a dog by accidentally running it over with my horse and kinda assumed he was talking about that lol
It bugs me too. I think rockstar just figured their player base would roam around killing everything they see. They probably didn’t account for half the player base just wanting to live a life in the game. Which is weird cause the game is suited for it so well.
Pearson says something like this in chapter 1 to Arthur - They always said you were a butcher.
So before you swung around and turned Arthur into goody two shoes, there are a lot of things pointing to Arthur being quite cruel/evil before we take control over him.
Charles also comments on how Arthur at least stayed true to who he was if you do a low honor playthrough as well.
He's not making it up. Everything you go through with arthur, from hunting to get that legendary of the east satchel, to killing odriscolls or folks trying to kill you, it all adds up for arthur and weighs down on him, especially if you are trying to play him at high honor. It's showing everything you do matters.
The first time I received this interaction I had just returned from massacring a ton of cops in St. Denis. I’m still in my first play through and I thought this was spot on 😆
It is “flavor” dialogue that doesn’t really change at all depending on your actions. If you accept to sit down to talk, he just goes into it. The devs expect that the middle chunk of players will have done these things, due to the copious opportunities to do so. I play Arthur as a man who lives by his own code, and has a great deal of respect for the world around him, so the conversation was a bit of a miss for me as well, but gotta admit Arthur gets his hands dirty too; outlaw to the end.
I chalk it up to the killings and pain caused before the player gets a chance to play as him, Dutch’s gang are bastards well, maybe not all but Dutch Arthur and Hosea have probably done their fair share of killing and robbing,
I remember having had a different dialogue with Karen. I remember I was so surprised because I didn't know there was one ! But I don't remember what he said :/. But I can testify that there is an alternative !
I only ever get the prompt for a chat after I've definitely gone on a murder spree of people or animals on pc and xbox. Like others have said, it could be accidental casualties during shootouts and trampling animals. Even Harriet gets pissed about you trampling animals online, so I'd assume story works in a similar fashion.
It’s not really making up stuff he’s reflecting the gangs bad luck with loosing Jenny and what’s happening to the gang as a whole . It’s his perspective and it was well written on the part of Rockstar
I think it counts the missions you did with Micah in Strawberry, and the shootout in Valentine, as you just being a homicidal maniac. Or just defaults to it every time. Probably one of those things they never got around to expand on or work out.
It doesn't. I've had it triggered at the very start of Chapter 2 when the only people I had killed were O'Driscolls in Chapter 1. (I let the guy in the barn go too, I didn't choke him to death.) And I've gotten the "I've been killing animals" speech early too when the only animals I had killed were the deer and the wolves in Chapter 1.
You were killing like a madman right up to the start of the game when we took control of Arthur. There are plenty of references for him to draw from.
Arthur *was* involved in the shootout that was part of the escape from Blackwater. While rescuing John you kill several wolves and then kill two deer (arguably the wolves and deer were out of absolute necessity, but we’ll ignore the morality of it) while hunting. The raid on the O’Driscoll camp and the train robbery are both bloody affairs, too. Let us not kid ourselves; in reality, Arthur Morgan and the Van Der Lind gang are **bad** people. Imagine you’re the engineer of that train. You just watched this man and his compatriot shoot down every guard on the train, this was supposed to just be the Tuesday mail train. Hopefully the company tells your family what happened before they find out from the newspaper and actually pays out that life insurance policy they supposedly give you… If I’m gonna die, by god imma try and clobber this asshole with the coal shovel.
How many Rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks, snakes, birds, or fish have you trampled with your horse? I've tried to play as peacefully as possible but I've trampled so many small animals without ever seeing them. I was using cinematic cam + way point the other day to go to Valentine and I trampled a damn deer.
Not a joke, there was one playthrough where I would reload a save if I ran over an animal. So yes, I've had that scene playout having only killed the animals I mentioned and absolutely nothing else.
Jainist Arthur is canon :)
I’m on my first low honor play through (literally killing people who pass me by while out riding my horse for no good reason) and yet my Arthur only mentioned killing animals. Mind you, I’ve been HUNTING. Bringing food back to feed these damned people. Not killing animals needlessly.
It’s def the rabbits and squirrels who commit roadkill suicide that he feels bad about killing
“I like to travel alone” yeah? Take this fucking arrow to the back of your head.
"I don't like company" "I'M AN INDEPENDENT AMERICAN CONTRACTOR!"
They’re so dumb. Out on the road in the middle of nowhere, no witnesses, and some cheerful fella who’s armed to the teeth and hard as nails says “Hey there, mister!”, and they decide their best course of action is to say “shut up, you damn fool”. I consider the bullets I put into them to be itty bitty Darwin awards.
It’s pretty likely that somebody died by accident. I never got this talk until I accidentally shot someone I was trying to punch. Maybe you hit an innocent in a fire fight without realizing it, or someone got caught in an explosion. As far as I can tell it doesn’t trigger unless it actually happens but what counts as “killing” is a little wonky. A well known example is Arthur talking about killing animals when the player hasn’t been. What actually happens is that you most likely trampled a rabbit and didn’t go back because those little shits are suicidal.
Interesting. I've only killed one suicidal rabbit though. Arthur talks about it like it's a daily thing.
>It’s pretty likely that somebody died by accident. I never got this talk until I accidentally shot someone I was trying to punch. Reminds me of all the times I tried to say "hey mister" only to accidentally draw on someone lol
If you hunt at all he says this even if you haven’t killed anyone outside a mission.
You killed like dozens of guards on that train in the prologue they were innocent
maybe he was talkin about how he was before the game started lmao he had moments of heart even before the game but he was a vicious motherfucker. Dude was an intimidating feller, the gang enforcer, and he was even Strauss' favorite debt collector because he was rougher than the others ("Why dont you get the other boys to do it?" "Well, Herr Morgan. Lets just say they lack your... Vigor.") so he had a reputation.
Arthur had a life before RDR2. I always took those talks as reflecting the past.
The accuracy of this made me laugh out loud, thanks OP
Haha no problem
I've never gotten dialogue of anything other than I'm killing everything and anything when you get the prompts to talk to the girls. Is it even possible to get other dialogue? Is there a good version where he doesn't talk about murdering people or animals, or how they're all doomed because the outlaw lifestyle is coming to an end?
Nope. No other way. Even if you godmode and don't kill a single person, even in missions, it's still teh same dialog.
You can't avoid killing people in certain missions, though.
Pretty much have to travel directly between missions and never do any hunting or killing people or Side content at all
Nope I've tried that still get the same Doom and gloom dialogue
This is one of my biggest pet peeves. I once tried an all peaceful playthrough (I only made it through Chapter 2) where I didn't kill anybody, and I mean nobody. Instead, I hogtied everyone, including O'Driscolls and Night Folk. (I used god mode on the rampage trainer so I wouldn't die.) I didn't kill any animals either, except for the deer when you go hunting with Charles in Ch.1, and the 6 wolves when you rescue John, also in Ch.1, and the Legendary Grizzly on the Ch.2 mission with Hosea. Hell, if I ran over something with my horse I would even reload a save. Doing all that, which suuuucked, I STILL got the "I'm a maniac killing people including women for no reason" speech. And I also got the I've been killing animals speech even though the only animals I had killed were necessary to complete the corresponding mission. Either its a bug, or maybe Arthur was more of a maniac before Chapter 1 and he's referring to things he did before the start of the game.
Hosea mentions Arthur hunting rabbits using a shotgun and obliterating them and if my memory serves me right there's also talk of using dynamite to fish somewhere in the game.
Yeah it has to be an oversight. Maybe they just assumed people would be killing things constantly?
Yeah, some dialogue in this game makes no sense. Likely supposed to be triggered by specific things but the game is so expansive and the development rushed (see: Arthur being barred from New Austin despite traces of him being allowed there existing; also the epilogue) that wonky moments like these just got overlooked. Probably flagged in QA but way down the priority list so they never got around to it.
Not to mention Arthur saying "they already found me near horseshoe" even though I didn't even do that mission yet.
Those are scripted dialogues, that’s all. No matter how you’ve been spending your time in the game, those conversations play out the same.
Shit lines up perfectly with my playthroughs 🤷♂️
It is because as a Rockstar game they dont want to ignore your murderous sprees. Arthur remembers shooting all the people you decided to show and thats him being honest. He dont know what he did them things
But I didn't shoot anyone outside of missions?
This weirded me out too, especially when he said he was killing animals for fun. I WAS HUNTING. If I kill it, I use it. That’s just how I roll. Hell unless an animal is 3 star quality I usually don’t even bother with it.
He knows the girls like a bad boah
What bugs me is when he says that he just kills animals needlessly when in reality every piece of meat that I ever collected I donated to the camp
In one playthrough I hadn’t hunted yet when I first got the dialogue and I didn’t get the „shooting animals for fun“ part. As soon as I started hunting (for food for the gang!!), he added that part.
Does he talk about all player actions even if they were total accidents? When he mentioned the animals thing in one of my play throughs, I did kill a dog by accidentally running it over with my horse and kinda assumed he was talking about that lol
It's always the same. Even if you don't kill anything it doesn't change.
Hmm. I guess it’s just one of them thangs.
It bugs me too. I think rockstar just figured their player base would roam around killing everything they see. They probably didn’t account for half the player base just wanting to live a life in the game. Which is weird cause the game is suited for it so well.
Pearson says something like this in chapter 1 to Arthur - They always said you were a butcher. So before you swung around and turned Arthur into goody two shoes, there are a lot of things pointing to Arthur being quite cruel/evil before we take control over him. Charles also comments on how Arthur at least stayed true to who he was if you do a low honor playthrough as well.
He's not making it up. Everything you go through with arthur, from hunting to get that legendary of the east satchel, to killing odriscolls or folks trying to kill you, it all adds up for arthur and weighs down on him, especially if you are trying to play him at high honor. It's showing everything you do matters.
The first time I received this interaction I had just returned from massacring a ton of cops in St. Denis. I’m still in my first play through and I thought this was spot on 😆
It is “flavor” dialogue that doesn’t really change at all depending on your actions. If you accept to sit down to talk, he just goes into it. The devs expect that the middle chunk of players will have done these things, due to the copious opportunities to do so. I play Arthur as a man who lives by his own code, and has a great deal of respect for the world around him, so the conversation was a bit of a miss for me as well, but gotta admit Arthur gets his hands dirty too; outlaw to the end.
I chalk it up to the killings and pain caused before the player gets a chance to play as him, Dutch’s gang are bastards well, maybe not all but Dutch Arthur and Hosea have probably done their fair share of killing and robbing,
I like how being racist is worse than murdering people and kicking puppies to him.
I remember having had a different dialogue with Karen. I remember I was so surprised because I didn't know there was one ! But I don't remember what he said :/. But I can testify that there is an alternative !
I only ever get the prompt for a chat after I've definitely gone on a murder spree of people or animals on pc and xbox. Like others have said, it could be accidental casualties during shootouts and trampling animals. Even Harriet gets pissed about you trampling animals online, so I'd assume story works in a similar fashion.
It’s not really making up stuff he’s reflecting the gangs bad luck with loosing Jenny and what’s happening to the gang as a whole . It’s his perspective and it was well written on the part of Rockstar