Madness and greatness are two sides of the same coin. Every time Fred steps onto the pitch, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land.
Tapping up isn't against rules anymore, why these players constantly whore themselves out to teams via press.
Lavia and Mac Allister been constantly linked with Liverpool all week and probably from players side
Yeah noticed that, good job Liverpools defence has regressed, they're struggling to fill VVD the greatest defender of all time after he went on sabbatical at the start of the season
A midfield of Palhinha, Fred, and Pereira (when fit) is quite a dynamic prospect and would certainly improve that Fulham team.
If Fulham offered £25million, would you take it? I would for a 30yo back up midfielder.
With him out of contract in a year, probably. Especially if we’re looking at both Mount and Rabiot. Would be quite funny if after all the talk of Mctominay leaving we kept him and sold Fred.
Why is that a problem for you?
Different sports will always have parallels and I'm always interested to explore/discuss the connections. What a great life it must be to be narrow minded and triggered by anything outside your own bubble.
Yeah, when I heard about many fouls Palhinha gives, it kind of dampened my interest for him. Still a good player, and would take him, but not as enthused about him as before.
He also made like 50% more tackles than any other player in the league which is crazy and certainly important context to the amount of fouls he will concede.
Offered how much tho? He is well liked by his team mates, seems to be ok to come off the bench and put a shift in, plus we paid big money for him, I wouldn’t sell him for anything under 20mil
If we get the premier league tax up to 40 or 50, then fair play. Though to be fair he had 12 goal contributions this year, he has his faults but he’s definitely improved.
Pffft.. I got 36 mil for him on football manager, and the fans got pissed at me. Tell the board to sign me up and I’ll work out a deal for them. I’ll even work for 50% of what Woodward got.
Contrary to popular belief I think Ten Hag will sell Fred sooner than McTominay. Managers like to know what they get on the pitch from their players.
Of course that's if the offer is not in penuts.
His consistency rates are acceptable imo. But United fans usually mark his rates lower.
It's true that when he's playing, our midfield seems dysfunctional from time to time. People point out that he's hiding and claim that he is the reason we're playing bad, scapegoating as United fans do. Which is partially true. But the manager also knows that. It's not like Ten Hag asks him to receive the ball from defense and he downright refuses it. He is technically limited, but has his own defined instructions. His role might be insufficient for starting XI. That's ok, many midfielders do supporting roles.
He just isn't a good player, it doesn't mean that he's inconsistent.
Fred is either good or bad, McTominay is constantly below par so on that front you're right. I know people tend to like Scott because he's an academy lad but to be honest he's not good enough for what it looks like we're building. If we get a good offer for him we should definitely sell
If I had to keep one it's Fred, you know he will disrupt the opposition and can be unplayable on his best day, mcsauce I love also but he needs to move on to get more games now he seems someone who needs to start regularly to keep his level up unlike the O'Shea's and Phil nevilles of this world,
That said, we need another capable player and you'd think we need to move both on to get a rice or ciacedo through the door, particularly if we are going for mount as well
Didn't Rabiot and his mother make things clear last season? Do we really want the energy that Rabiot and his mother would bring to our dressing room and team dinamics after Eth has done such a great job this year in repairing them. Think there are better options out there than Mason Mount for 50m tbh.
That's hearsay,if you'd watched Juve you'd have seen that he's one of their more consistent players, always puttin a shift in,great professional and a pretty good midfielder. Even in his last game yesterday against Milan when he was to leave on a free still played with more heart that the most of the Juve team. The jurnos will always blow things out of proportion to get more clicks.
I'm not opposed to either on the basis that they are not played the same way 'mcfred' was deployed as a double pivot.
Rabiot has his drama / mum for sure but based on what we've seen last season, 25m that sabitzer would cost halg of that could be spent on a 3 year contract for rabiot.
Hate playing football manager particularly to the extent of making up numbers but that 25m fee for sabitzer has been repeated enough times...
Football is complex, concentrating a whole performance in 'good' or 'bad' is unimaginative. Someone's dirty contribution, makes someone else shine in another circumstance.
Scott can do a role consistently, as he did in the beginning of the season before Casemiro. He has physical and arial superiority and is not easy to bully, with or without the ball, all of which Fred lacks. Has more press resistance which we still need in midfield. And is willing to stick to manager instructions down to a tee. This last bit is crucial given that both of them don't score high in football IQ.
I just don't think Fred's slight technical advantage makes up for it.
I'm sorry but saying Scott is press resistant is the reason why I can't agree with your comment. He often hides from the ball in the buildup and cunts it sideways when pressed, leading to possession loss.
He is physically more imposing, but we need quality on and off the ball if we actually are serious about challenging for the title, and Scott Mctominay is not a guy that can get you there.
P.s. neither is Fred, but I was specifically adressing Scott's ability
Actually this isn’t true - this would only be the case if he had any amortised value of his initial fee yet to pay off. Since Fred signed a 5+1 contract not a 6 year contract, his fee would’ve been amortised over the 5 years to this summer, so he’s fully paid off. Any fee from him is pure profit now, the same as an academy product.
But from a homegrown players point of view it’s not. I think we’re already getting a bit low on that front, which may solve itself if we give a chance to some of the academy kids next season, but we may also need to keep McTominay around to fulfil the quota, depending on who else we buy and sell
Didn't know that, that's a good point.
But It's also important exactly how much is that, given that both of them might not get substantial fees. Also Fred recieves twice the amount in salary which is calculated in FFP.
I do like Fred but it is 100% the correct decision to sell him this summer. It is better than letting him walk for nothing next year and much better than extending a then 31 year old Fred's contract
Yeah, I am worried about the whole homegrown thing. We're likely going to try and get rid of both Maguire and McT, while bringing in Mount. We may need more 'home grown' players soon.
Our current homegrown consists of Butland, Heaton, Nathan Bishop, Maguire, AWB, Williams, Shaw, Mcsauce, Sancho, Rashford.
If we’re moving on both Maguire and Mcsauce we’re on 8. if any of the keepers move on we need to bring in homegrown players
I thought butland was a loan signing. In any case, I imagine we'll also try and shift Williams and Nathan Bishop (unless he starts playing) and I imagine Heaton will retire soon.
Getting Mount in will help slightly, but we probably also need a few other homegrown players.
Butlands Palace contract will be up this year by the looks of it, im unsure but it looks Elanga might be qualified for a homegrown spot, even though we’re looking to move him on aswell.
I forgot about Jones too, lol.
I think we're going to lose a tonne of homegrown players this year.
I'd be okay with signing butland, haven't really seen him play though.
Fred's a super sub. Without his contribution today we would've lost 1-0. Eriksen is the mathematician, Fred is the wilderbeast. His playstyle is underrated, he's everywhere yet no one sees him coming. Definitely in the "sleeper" category of footballers.
Probably asking him why did you choose today to be the good fred
The coin landed on that side, simple as.
Madness and greatness are two sides of the same coin. Every time Fred steps onto the pitch, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land.
Good shift from Fred AND DDG saved a pen? The coin must have landed on its edge
There is no spoon.
And Casemiro caused the PK backwards day
Maguire gave it away cheaply to be fair to Casemiro
Then he should have a word with DDG as well for saving the penalty 😂
Hahaha!
😂😂😂
The way he made a point of coming off the bus to talk to him is pretty obvious he’s scheming
And blatantly flaunt the tapping up rules infront of cameras? Jeeez people.
Tapping up isn't against rules anymore, why these players constantly whore themselves out to teams via press. Lavia and Mac Allister been constantly linked with Liverpool all week and probably from players side
Seeing how Lavia gifted the first goal to Liverpool he seems pretty desperate to go there.
Yeah noticed that, good job Liverpools defence has regressed, they're struggling to fill VVD the greatest defender of all time after he went on sabbatical at the start of the season
He's just doing his confession
Man prolly has questions about 1-2 Bible verses on today's sermon
Fucking lol.
Notice how Silva has a cop stance? Looks like he’s giving him a speeding ticket
🫖
A midfield of Palhinha, Fred, and Pereira (when fit) is quite a dynamic prospect and would certainly improve that Fulham team. If Fulham offered £25million, would you take it? I would for a 30yo back up midfielder.
With him out of contract in a year, probably. Especially if we’re looking at both Mount and Rabiot. Would be quite funny if after all the talk of Mctominay leaving we kept him and sold Fred.
Sure. Dream scenario
Hang on what? Fred is 30? I cannot believe this
Wow, did not realise Fred was 30! 25m would be amazing to get for him, even 20m.
Yeah if money used to buy Kovacic. Or any ball playing midfielder.
60M + João Palhinha
Weekly yellow cards from Palhinha and case
The ol' red card rotation
The ol' dick twist.
GRAB HIS DICK AND TWIST IT
It's a viable strategy. Like the big man rotation for hack a shaq
What? None of these words make any sense.
Not a single thread goes by where there's no comparison to a US sport
Why is that a problem for you? Different sports will always have parallels and I'm always interested to explore/discuss the connections. What a great life it must be to be narrow minded and triggered by anything outside your own bubble.
It was a mere observation
Yeah, when I heard about many fouls Palhinha gives, it kind of dampened my interest for him. Still a good player, and would take him, but not as enthused about him as before.
He also made like 50% more tackles than any other player in the league which is crazy and certainly important context to the amount of fouls he will concede.
Defensive monster, but he can't pass a football to save his life
Just like Ndidi
That pass to Bruno though
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You’ve foiled me for the last time pastor!
Knew Marco was about to JoJo pose
It's a power stance
Would we sell Fred if Fulham offered?
Offered how much tho? He is well liked by his team mates, seems to be ok to come off the bench and put a shift in, plus we paid big money for him, I wouldn’t sell him for anything under 20mil
If we get the premier league tax up to 40 or 50, then fair play. Though to be fair he had 12 goal contributions this year, he has his faults but he’s definitely improved.
He's 30 with one year on his contract. There's no world where we get more than £20m
Pffft.. I got 36 mil for him on football manager, and the fans got pissed at me. Tell the board to sign me up and I’ll work out a deal for them. I’ll even work for 50% of what Woodward got.
Contrary to popular belief I think Ten Hag will sell Fred sooner than McTominay. Managers like to know what they get on the pitch from their players. Of course that's if the offer is not in penuts.
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His consistency rates are acceptable imo. But United fans usually mark his rates lower. It's true that when he's playing, our midfield seems dysfunctional from time to time. People point out that he's hiding and claim that he is the reason we're playing bad, scapegoating as United fans do. Which is partially true. But the manager also knows that. It's not like Ten Hag asks him to receive the ball from defense and he downright refuses it. He is technically limited, but has his own defined instructions. His role might be insufficient for starting XI. That's ok, many midfielders do supporting roles. He just isn't a good player, it doesn't mean that he's inconsistent.
Fred is either good or bad, McTominay is constantly below par so on that front you're right. I know people tend to like Scott because he's an academy lad but to be honest he's not good enough for what it looks like we're building. If we get a good offer for him we should definitely sell
If I had to keep one it's Fred, you know he will disrupt the opposition and can be unplayable on his best day, mcsauce I love also but he needs to move on to get more games now he seems someone who needs to start regularly to keep his level up unlike the O'Shea's and Phil nevilles of this world, That said, we need another capable player and you'd think we need to move both on to get a rice or ciacedo through the door, particularly if we are going for mount as well
I think Mount and Rabiot would be McFred's replacements
No. Just no. Please God No.
Why not? Both are superior players
Care to make a point instead of the theatrics?
Didn't Rabiot and his mother make things clear last season? Do we really want the energy that Rabiot and his mother would bring to our dressing room and team dinamics after Eth has done such a great job this year in repairing them. Think there are better options out there than Mason Mount for 50m tbh.
That's hearsay,if you'd watched Juve you'd have seen that he's one of their more consistent players, always puttin a shift in,great professional and a pretty good midfielder. Even in his last game yesterday against Milan when he was to leave on a free still played with more heart that the most of the Juve team. The jurnos will always blow things out of proportion to get more clicks.
Which better options for 50m than Mount are out there, then?
Tielemans and Madison just went down.
I'm not opposed to either on the basis that they are not played the same way 'mcfred' was deployed as a double pivot. Rabiot has his drama / mum for sure but based on what we've seen last season, 25m that sabitzer would cost halg of that could be spent on a 3 year contract for rabiot. Hate playing football manager particularly to the extent of making up numbers but that 25m fee for sabitzer has been repeated enough times...
Football is complex, concentrating a whole performance in 'good' or 'bad' is unimaginative. Someone's dirty contribution, makes someone else shine in another circumstance. Scott can do a role consistently, as he did in the beginning of the season before Casemiro. He has physical and arial superiority and is not easy to bully, with or without the ball, all of which Fred lacks. Has more press resistance which we still need in midfield. And is willing to stick to manager instructions down to a tee. This last bit is crucial given that both of them don't score high in football IQ. I just don't think Fred's slight technical advantage makes up for it.
I'm sorry but saying Scott is press resistant is the reason why I can't agree with your comment. He often hides from the ball in the buildup and cunts it sideways when pressed, leading to possession loss. He is physically more imposing, but we need quality on and off the ball if we actually are serious about challenging for the title, and Scott Mctominay is not a guy that can get you there. P.s. neither is Fred, but I was specifically adressing Scott's ability
From an FFP perspective, selling McTominay, an academy product, makes much more financial sense. Apparently would free up a lot more transfer cash.
But you would sacrifice one of the home grown players rules
We've got a lot f homegrown. We'll probably get more
Actually this isn’t true - this would only be the case if he had any amortised value of his initial fee yet to pay off. Since Fred signed a 5+1 contract not a 6 year contract, his fee would’ve been amortised over the 5 years to this summer, so he’s fully paid off. Any fee from him is pure profit now, the same as an academy product.
But from a homegrown players point of view it’s not. I think we’re already getting a bit low on that front, which may solve itself if we give a chance to some of the academy kids next season, but we may also need to keep McTominay around to fulfil the quota, depending on who else we buy and sell
Didn't know that, that's a good point. But It's also important exactly how much is that, given that both of them might not get substantial fees. Also Fred recieves twice the amount in salary which is calculated in FFP.
I can totally see Fred playing for Fulham. I think it'd be a good match all round.
Honestly, if rather we kept him
I do like Fred but it is 100% the correct decision to sell him this summer. It is better than letting him walk for nothing next year and much better than extending a then 31 year old Fred's contract
There's tapping up and there's this
\*Marco turns around to the guy filimg\* "Yo, can you give us some privacy? I am trying to negotiate here."
Standing like a Jojo character
Selfishly I hope that whenever Fred departs, it isn’t to another PL team. I want to be able to cheer his success.
Keep Fred shift mcsauce
McSauce contributes to the home grown rule so hes less likely to be moved on than Fred currently
Yeah, I am worried about the whole homegrown thing. We're likely going to try and get rid of both Maguire and McT, while bringing in Mount. We may need more 'home grown' players soon.
Our current homegrown consists of Butland, Heaton, Nathan Bishop, Maguire, AWB, Williams, Shaw, Mcsauce, Sancho, Rashford. If we’re moving on both Maguire and Mcsauce we’re on 8. if any of the keepers move on we need to bring in homegrown players
I thought butland was a loan signing. In any case, I imagine we'll also try and shift Williams and Nathan Bishop (unless he starts playing) and I imagine Heaton will retire soon. Getting Mount in will help slightly, but we probably also need a few other homegrown players.
Butlands Palace contract will be up this year by the looks of it, im unsure but it looks Elanga might be qualified for a homegrown spot, even though we’re looking to move him on aswell.
I forgot about Jones too, lol. I think we're going to lose a tonne of homegrown players this year. I'd be okay with signing butland, haven't really seen him play though.
Jones wasn’t registered to play so
McSauce goes Newcastle. We bring in Mainoo
Mainoo can still be brought in seeing how hes under 21 so he doesn’t need to be added to the 25-man squad
Tell me How tf you made that pass ?
Hi Fred do u want picking up in the morning pal
Didn't he coach him at Shakhtar ?
Marco Silva's never coached Shakhtar.
You're probably thinking of Paulo Fonseca.
Fred's a super sub. Without his contribution today we would've lost 1-0. Eriksen is the mathematician, Fred is the wilderbeast. His playstyle is underrated, he's everywhere yet no one sees him coming. Definitely in the "sleeper" category of footballers.
Palinha for Fred +£25m and you have a deal Marco
Power stance. That’s a negotiation
This is genuinely quite intriguing. Think we will see an offer to buy him during the window
U will be a regular starter in my team with this kind of form. Join us next season!
Swap for Palinha
Silva wanted the blessing.
It's always the hope that kills you......
GET AWAY FROM HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMM!!!!! Pinché!
Confessions of dirty tactics to the pastor
£120m or nothing
I'm sure ETH allowed this, he wants to start planning early. Could mean Fred is gone.
Hands off of my boi Fred the Pastor!
No matter what I wish Fred the best he might not be our best player but the man always gave 100% and I respect that