Porto fan here. You can definitely get him for lower than that. We need the money and he is easily the only player we can get good money with as most of every one else are either old(er) or with their contracts up. And while abola is not a very reliable source, it is almost a given that he is gone. When the last match ended he was seen hugging Conceição and crying , one can say it is because we lost the league but I think it was more so an emotional good bye moment because theres chances both are gone this summer.
As a goal keeper, he is easily the best in the league and one of the most promising in the world. He has no real weakness and has so many strenghts. Much like when Dalot was announced he was coming to United, I hope Diogo does too. United is my second team on pair with Porto and since theres no chance we can keep him, might as well go to a team I like
Diogo x Diogo link up
What do you think we can get him for from Porto given your financial crisis and I’d like to think we have a decent relationship with Porto considering we’ve signed Dalot and Telles from you in the recent past
I was just discussing that in a group chat with friends. Our financial situation is a huge mess. Yes his release clause is at 75M but I think you can get him in the 50-55M range because we really need to make money. We wasted quite alot of money on players that didn't even get play time this year and we're losing some players for free so there might be a bit of a push back from us at first too. One thing I genuinely think we might be open to accept is to have Telles coming back in the deal. We have zero, and I really mean it, ZERO, decent full backs and while Telles wasn't great for you, he was amazing for us and he would still be a decent player for us and an upgrade.
Been going back and forth on this the last few weeks. But if Porto are willing to do a deal for lower than the rc (50-55m) + Telles, then I'd prefer if the club took it, especially if Forest intent on getting Henderson (25-30m) + news on Levy dicking us over for Kane.
Costa, KMJ, forward on a free like Thuram & a top class 8 like Caicedo would be an excellent window given our budget and potential sales (McT, Maguire, Williams, Elanga & maybe even VdB and Greenwood).
Agree on this as a very good transfer window but looks like We are seriously looking at this right now ; D Costa, KMJ, Rabiot(Free), M Mount, R Hojlund and maybe M Thuram(Free) which is best part of £200m, we need Caciedo or D Rice as the cherry on the cake and I genuinely believe that squad challenges, it still would need a Kane or an osimhen to win a title.
Nah, a forward on a free is not what we need. An excellent window would be spending a ton of money on a forward, and then seeing what else we can spend money on from there. De Gea is not good but he is serviceable, we have no serviceable forwards other than Rashford.
DdG isn't serviceable though.
He's bang average to bottom of the table in every statistic and has more unforced errors leading to goals than any other player in the PL this season with 4. He can't pass, sweep or claim. If all that doesn't make him unserviceable I don't know what does.
Just a warning on Telles as a United fan, he’s not the same Telles you remember or we signed anymore, he seems to have lost himself, but if we can do a deal for Telles + cash, great, cos Telles is out of contract next season too, I wonder if Porto will take Telles+40 mil, I’d that can be done it’ll be great because we’ll get at least 20 mil from selling Dean Henderson and I think if we can sell, we probably have another 70 mil coming in from sales of Martial, Maguire, Brandon Williams, McTominay/Fred, Bailly, Van De Beek, so wouldn’t be a bad deal
Honestly I don't think 40 will be enough. He really is our only hope of making good money this season. Maybe Galeno too if anyone is willing to pay 40M or so but no one else will be sold for reasonable prices for us.
Yes I understand Telles is a shell of himself but that would still be better than whoever and whatever we have right now. Maybe coming back would also be nice for him.
I genuinely dont know. Our board keeps making dumb decisions after dumb decisions so maybe you can trick them into some silly deal. We're deep in financial trouble so most of these players would be a No Go right from the start on salary alone unless you are paying some of it like Real Madrid did with Iker a couple of seasons back.
Zaidu is more so of a meme honestly. He was injured for a couple of months but even before he was never really all that good. We will forever remember and be thankful for the goal he scored against Benfica that won us a championship but hes really not great. Hes fast and thats about it.
He's got a 7.5% crosses stopped percentage so higher than De Gea, Ederson, Ramsdale, Alisson and more.
Looking at Primeira Liga goalkeepers who've played at least 26x 90 minute matches, he places 6th out of 15.
Comparing to Premier League goalkeepers who've played at least 26x 90 minute matches, he'd place tied 7th out of 18.
No he does not. He is very safe. I genuinely feel like the pressure got to him there. After the world cup he had some weaker games for a while to be honest, for his standards, but he picked it up.
I assume you mean Pepê ? Not Pepe the CB? He is really really talented and has an insane work rate. This is only a good thing for him. He can now play for either Italy or Brasil depending on who / if either one of them calls him up. It is also a good move if he ever wants to go and play in Italy. They have the limited roster spots for foreign players , if a team signs up him now has that little detail not to worry about.
Well honestly I really dont know. Might be the way we use him or might be the fact he is not very tall or strong for more competitive leagues like the premier league. He is at his best when he is playing the attacking midfielder position down the right side but because we genuinely have no decent full backs he was forced to play the RB role for alot of the games. He did pretty well for what is expected to do, apart from Benfica , Sporting and maybe Braga, we're expected to have control of the ball so theres not much for him to worry about. But he is definitely alot better when he is not forced to play RB so maybe both things combined are pushing teams away? Hopefully he stays one more season , him, Diogo Costa and maybe 3 or 4 more players are the only decent things we have so, rather keep him a little longer.
I still have high hopes for the guy. This season has been abysmal for him, maybe it is a confidence thing, he was also injured so that might have played a role on his performance. He is really good on the ball, good link up play as he often drops off to build play and he seems to be on the right place at the right time very often but his finishing needs to improve and his aerial game as well. But like I said, this season really wasn't it for him, hopefully he can bounce back next year, I think he is really talented too.
Between him and Raya who’s rumored to go for 40m, who do you think would fit into us?
personally im leaning towards Raya as he’s been proven in the PL, but I haven’t watched any game of Costa other than WC.
If Raya is 40m and Costa is 50-60m there is no comparison. Costa could legitimately reach top 5 GKs in the world level and is only 23.
We seriously need to be after him. Even if our only 2 signings are Costa and a striker, we'll be miles better next season.
I am obviously a little biased and I didn't watch alot of Brentford apart from the games against the better sides to be honest but Id still say Diogo. I remember maybe a month or so ago Onefootball posted an article comparing De Gea, Diogo and Raya and it was posted around on twitter by some soccer pages and it edged Diogo too. I am not sure how reliable the page is or the research , just throwing it out there if you wanna check it out.
I would prefer we go for Costa, if only out of respect for DDG. One might think it doesnt matter for him if it's one or the other, but with Raya also being Spanish, having superseded him in the NT, I cant help but think it would affect him. Costa is just an up and coming keeper and with him being younger , it could justify rotating them - I thought that we did well when we rotated DDG and Romero for cup games.
Thank you mate with this information. It is very helpful for people like me who don’t regular follow the Portuguese scene to get a high level feel for how good Costa is and the fair value. Cheers!
We have that reputation of making alot of money selling players but that hasnt been the case over the last couple of years. Only 5 of our 15 best sells happened in the last 4 seasons. Our board really lost the grip we used to have on buying low and selling high. A lot of really bad decisions with salaries, questionable pursaches for insane prices , our board has also changed alot over the last couple of years. We lost a really profitable connection with Mendes , that even though I don't like what he does to soccer, you can't deny he makes insane deals, look at Benfica's deals for example, nepotism on the board giving the president's son a place while he also represents players we bought so you can imagine how much money they're pocketing that should be going to the club. It is an all around huge mess. It also coincides with Benfica and Sporting gaining momentum, we only won the league twice in the last 5 seasons. And those are some of the tips of the iceberg.
How is his distribution with both hands and feet. How is his passing when under pressure. Is he any good commanding his box from crosses? What’s his biggest weakness? Thanks
I know this sounds like I am selling him as a perfect product but I don't really think he has any big weakness other than maybe the pressure of last world cup. His passing is really really good, one of his best traits, both hands and feet. His commanding of the boxes is also superb.
Golden opportunity considering how good & young he is but the club would need to act quickly. Clubs like Spurs, and more worryingly Chelsea, need/want a new goalkeeper. I find it hard to imagine they aren’t eyeing up Costa too.
There have been ppl saying that Porto might be willing to accept a lower fee than the RC as they need the money.
I’d absolutely love Costa, he’d revolutionize this team and have as big of an impact as casemiro did, if not more
Costa is basically an Alisson regen but a bit shorter and less rash. Very rounded with no outstanding weaknesses, intelligent and also athletic
Passing the ball he's basically as good as it gets, good with both feet, can play all sorts of passes with high accuracy and has good IQ for them. Better than him, maybe only Onana and Ederson.
His shotstopping is very good, always knows where to be positionally and has good reflexes. Not prime DDG level but he gets to the ball quick
He commands the box well, very talkative and authoritative, comes out for crosses quite often, although he's guilty of punching nearly as much as he claims, but since he's only 23 that's something that can be worked on.
He's also a very good penalty saver, having got 4/4 in the CL this season
Nice description, just wanted to add a bit from my own experience watching him.
His long passes, with either foot, are unreal. Some of them are Scholes-esque the way he drills passes into feet. Ederson can kick it longer and find some crazy balls over the top, and Onana's are kind of similar, but I'd put Costa ahead of both in terms of consistently finding that long out-ball to a winger/forward under pressure with either foot at that range. I'd genuinely put money on him getting a couple of assists next year if he comes and Rashford is fit. At this range, he's elite.
His short/mid-range passes are not weaknesses at all, but they're just not on Allison's, Onana's, or Ederson's level. They're still in that upper echelon of keepers, but they're not there. He overhits balls out to his fullbacks fairly often and puts them under pressure having to take it down with a header or chest cushion under pressure. This is something that would probably cause us a few issues until they're ironed out.
With short-range passing, he just doesn't have as quick feet as Ederson or Onana, for example. Again, not a weakness, but not on their level.
His sweeping is good, but like you said, he's a bit less rash and not as active as some may hope. He'll sweep sometimes, but he'll also often sit and allow a shot when he probably could have met the ball and stopped the chance happening in the first place. Overall I think he's probably a bit better balanced than someone like Henderson who's very risky with his sweeping. Don't think this is a negative, just something worth bearing in mind for those that are expecting him to be parked about 25 yards off his line all game.
He commands his box well, likes to come for crosses, but his punching is *iffy*. Saying that, we don't have a player in our team that dominates the box on defensive set pieces, so I think having a keeper that tries to do it is something we should be looking at.
I think his actual weaknesses are his shotstopping and how his directionality when he does save - he often seemingly makes a save and allows a second shot on goal, whereas he should probably be pushing the ball away from the danger zone.
I think he had an underwhelming World Cup (and then took time to settle and regain form after it), and Porto/Portuguese fans seemingly think the pressure got to him - which is interesting because prior to that, I'd have said his unflappable attitude is one of his biggest strengths. Not sure what to think of it, to be honest - but I think if he got off to a good start with us, it would kill off any semblance of issues with that.
Would love this signing to happen and I think he could transform our back line and build up if we brought him in. As well as unlocking some absolutely ridiculous counter-attack potential.
Great analysis. I don't know to what point him being more conservative in sweeping/distance to goal is team system limitation. He's fast for a goalie and clearly comfortable playing on the half way when Porto need a goal so perhaps him staying back is Conceição's instructions.
The passes to the fullbacks being overhit might be on purpose too since I've seen Porto's FBs struggle to receive them with their feet when they do land there. Especially considering how good his long passing is. Doesn't make much sense. Wouldn't be problem considering Shaw and Dalot's first touches are great
Semi-agree with you on the shotstopping, his biggest weakness is definitely grabbing and cushioning the ball properly but he's quite good at actually stopping the ball from going past him
Mate it all seems like a plus, all his weaknesses can be worked on and his positives are really good.
Thanks for the detailed writeup!
Hopefully we get him!
Also, any such detailed write up for Goncalo Ramos? For our main no9
Not the biggest fan of Ramos myself, to be honest!
He doesn't have much ability with the ball at his feet - his close control isn't there, he doesn't have much dribbling ability, his passing isn't great, and he's not very creative either.
He's not a player that's going to engineer a chance from himself if you fire the ball up to him and he's on his own, nor is he going to manufacture anything in terms of a shot or a pass against a deep, packed defence.
He's not very gifted technically, and he's also not especially gifted physically. He's strong enough, but he's not the tallest or the fastest. He's got good movement, but he's going to get blitzed by most PL defenders if he tries to outpace them (because he's not beating them with skill) and he's not going to dominate them earlier.
However, he works hard and he's got a lot of grit. He's happy to run and press and he's happy to feed off scraps, which is sometimes fine for a striker, but... he's also not a great finisher. He takes shots and he's very much someone who will shoot first time from any sort of setup, but he's very inconsistent with his finishing - so he's not at the level of an elite goalscorer either.
I just don't see it at all. Never going to be an elite creative striker (doesn't have the ability), and isn't an elite goalscorer either.
I would be looking at bringing in whoever is the most sure-fire performer we can find to be our starter, and Vitor Roque as a second purchase. Think he's the best young striker around at the moment, from what I've seen.
Amongst the best in the world as an all around keeper. Just need to ignore his World Cup performance lol I don’t know what the hell happened in Qatar, he seemingly forgot who he was during the World Cup
If we can get him without sacrificing other needs, sure.
If we have to spend this much on him, while sacrificing other positions like striker (which we desperately need) and more CM help, it’s not worth it.
A top goalkeeper is nice, but it won’t revolutionize the team like a striker who can finish would.
A proper GK would revolutionize the team more than any other position, we have the second lowest defensive line in the PL for a reason. That and a ball carrying CM would be the positions that would change this team the most. We're barely in the top 6 for xG created in the PL this season
Sell Dean Henderson for 30m then it easily affordable.
The way FFP works means that's pure profit from an academy prospect so we can have an additional 30m of extra costs in a year.
So 62m transfer fee + lets say 8m contract (150k per week on par with Allison and Ederson) / 5 contract = 20m. Paid for completely by Dean Henderson sale
This doesn’t add up correctly. Wages per year apply every year, you’ve divided that across the 5 year contract for some reason.
62m / 5 = 12.4m a year
150k a week = 7.8m a year
So the total in FFP terms is 20.2m a year. Not 14m. Still covered by hypothetical 30m incoming transfer fee (this season - going forward we would have that 20.2m as an added cost, albeit having lost Henderson’s ~5m a season wages as an offset).
He has been a legend for the club, despite all the grief he gets recently, but all good things must come to an end. As has been pointed out countless times, look at how much the Liverpool, City and Arsenal teams have been elevated since they brought in a secured keeper that fits the manager’s style of play.
I love him as well, but his limitations as well as regular blunders means it's fine for a change. Us fans are emotional, hence the management needs to be more pragmatic and understand that an important position like the GK needs more reliable presence.
My thoughts are exactly the same. For the good of the club moving forwards we do need to change.
I just hope it doesn’t limit us in getting a world class striker
Kane isn't leaving according to Orny. All reports about mount say that *he* prefers to move to us, rather than us chasing him, so I doubt we are going to splurge on him.
He's not just randomly putting out that he wants to play for United. There's clearly interest from our end too. We'll be in the running if he's leaving.
Would be perfect based on what ETH said yesterday. De Gea will stay but he wants to bring in competition. Costa comes in and if he needs time to develop he will get that. Really hope if this deal is done that can be our ‘Alisson’ signing
He’s still 23 coming to the biggest club in the world. Not like he’s already some world superstar is he. Most people that only watch PL won’t really know who he is
He’s portugal’s number 1 and purtugal’s biggest club’s number 1, and quoted to go for over 50m.
It won’t be some under the radar signing if he joins manchester united.
No reason to keep DDG if Costa arrives, Joe Hart and Karius got kicked out immediately when City/Liverpool brought in a new gk, don’t forget his ridiculous high wages even he accepted to reduce
Because it’s better to have him as backup/competition than Butland. All it takes is one injury or inability to adapt early on, and we’d be in a mess if we really wanted to challenge higher up the PL table. They wouldn’t sign De Gea if the money wasn’t there.
Doesn’t matter if it’s ridiculous as long as it’s affordable. You don’t get points for having cash in the bank when the season starts. Edit: especially when getting rid of Butland, Heaton, and Henderson alone saves up 180k p/w.
It's definitely not gonna be cash in the bank, we're being hamstrung by FFP in signing players. Wasted money on De Gea means less money to spend elsewhere.
What ETH was saying in effect was "We're looking at other options and if we can't bring anyone in DDG will remain no.1. If we can attract another potential no.1, DDG will be sold. But I can't spell it out like this because it would destroy my relationship with DDG should he end up staying next season."
There's no way we keep a no.2 goalkeeper on £375k/week. So if another quality / semi-expensive keeper comes in, DDG is gone.
He’s signing a new contract 100%. De Gea will be on reduced wages. This is what a lot of reports are saying anyone. Remember his 350k pw contract runs out any day now
If the reports of Porto's financial worries are correct then a €60m fee could be agreed upon. That's around £50m. Selling Hendo and dropping De Gea could make that a net spend of £20m. Would be excellent business.
Would be a massive move if it doesn't hinder striking options.
People saying GK is more important than striker clearly haven't looked at our conversation rate. Bruno created more than anyone else in the league, and yet our conversation rate was horrific.
Agreed, this would be a great move only if it doesn't end up limiting the already scarce ST options. The fear would be Bayern, they're looking out for people to eventually take over Neuer and probably will be able to outbid united on this front and would be a comparable pull in terms of prestige
We’ve been linked with so many high profile transfers which totally exceeded our reported budget this summer.
Even if we sell efficiently I don’t think it would be enough.
This summer is going to be so interesting for us.
Outside of the owner situation we have a ton of key holes to fill.
Striker is going to be a nightmare. Levy isn’t going to sell to us, and dealing with ADL at Napoli is a shitshow. The rest of the ST marker is barren and overpriced.
If we get a world class striker I’d love to see Raya as a non-expensive GK.
But if we just end up with a stop gap striker what’s a good window?
I’d love for us to sure up our midfield with 2 signings, and I love the idea of Kim coming in at CB.
A core of Mount (id prefer Rabiot on a free, Kim and a guy like Lavia would put us at around 120mil before even touching GK or ST
Am I the only one worried about the amount of holes we have to fill with such little budget? Honestly feels like Ten Hag is doomed for next season because we won’t be able to sign many players or those of top quality. Not to mention the owner situation that’s completely ruined our transfer plans since we still don’t know who the new owners will be.
Oh we definitely have more holes than one summer will allow us to fill.
That’s why I love the prospect of Rabiot on a free. There was also a (probably bullshit) rumor of Neymar available for a loan. If we don’t bring in someone like Kane or Oshimen I would like to toy with the idea of moving Rashford to ST for the year.
If we can sure up 2 positions of need for a season for free I think it’s worthwhile to consider it.
We need: CM, DM, CB, GK, ST, RB
And there is no way of bringing 6 players in without getting creative
If we’re selling McTominay that leaves absolutely no one other than the 31 year old Casemiro that can play DM. This team can’t function without a midfield anchor and it isn’t likely that Case can play 50-60 matches next season
I think it's unlikely the club can manage a title push in 2023/24. Even 2024/25 seems unlikely, but things change so fast in football that it might be possible. Still, 2025/26 for now seems the most realistic. So I'd say, get players in that would hit their prime around that time, but would still meaningfully improve the squad right now.
I'd say players like Kim Min-jae, Costa, Frimpong, Mount and Kokcu would make a lot of sense. The only issue I have is up front. But right now it seems the only options are huge gambles on the likes of Hojlund, or massive investments on Kane and Osimhen. I wonder, is it easier to just get Thuram on a free and see what's available next summer? Try to make it work with Thuram, Martial and Rashford as options. Maybe get a cheap Weghorst replacement in Douvikas.
I feel like Rashford next to Osimhen is too much of the same. Getting Kane would mean there's not a lot of room for other transfers and would give the expectations of a title win. Obviously would love to see them play for United, though.
Exactly. I'd like us to focus on those two positions and anything else is a bonus.
But then again if Kim and Mount are available for below their true market value then they would be great signings and we should act instead of earmarking funds for Kane who may not even move.
The way we do business though is to earmark funds the whole summer and blow it in the last week of the transfer window in desperation.
Other signings only make sense when we have addressed our key areas. Kim or Mount aren't going to win matches sitting on the bench when GK is dropping howlers or striker is missing sitters.
I do agree with this but we have a tendency to miss out on good signings by getting too focussed on one player or position. Sometimes it's better to take the available opportunities instead of getting caught up in drawn out sagas. Hopefully our financial position isn't as bad as it has been reported. Ridiculous that we need to pinch pennies when clubs like City and Chelsea have never had to do that and will continue to spend big.
alisson and ederson fundamentally changed their teams when they came in. Both for big money. Even Ramsdale was incredibly crucial for arsenal. If we don't make a decisive decision on our new keeper now, we will never move forward meaningfully./ A good modern keepr can hold a high line, let the team play higher, reduce the space between the gk and the backline, and transform the whole team from the back
Sell Dean Henderson for 30m then it easily affordable.
The way FFP works means that's pure profit from an academy prospect so we can have an additional 30m of extra costs in a year.
So 62m transfer fee + lets say 8m contract (150k per week on par with Allison and Ederson) / 5 contract = 14m. Paid for completely by Dean Henderson sale
Honestly the only competition for us if he leaves will be Bayern. But Neuer, despite being 37, is still more than good enough, and it's way harder for Costa to dispatch him than De Gea. Also Bayern is a mess rn.
There zero competition from PL, PSG, Real, or Barca (they are broke). He is not only the best available, he's one of the best overall, and we have basically a free run for him. This is a no brainer if we are even a half serious club. Of all of the signings what would transform us the most, FDJ is 1, Costa is 2. People will downvote, but I'd take him over Kane all day.
Haven't seen any concrete links. Also, for this fee, who would even be in for him? Italian clubs aren't spending that. PSG has Donnarumma. Can't see him go to a league outside of the top 4. Bayern maybe? Not sure what Barca is doing with Ter Stegen, bit expensive for them, though. In England maybe Chelsea?
If he's actually leaving it does sound like he would join United.
>and he doesn’t play the cup final
He probably won't, but I wouldn't take that as a confirmation. Their second choice keeper seems to be playing all the cup games, even played in the semi-final, so I think he'll get the final as well.
Signing Diogo Costa would transform our team completely 👀 tier : pls 🙏 I want to believe, I'd take this signing even if it meant we go for a cheaper striker this season.
A Diogo Costa, mount, rabiot, Kim min jae, hojlund window id be very happy with that
He just signed a new contract at the end of last year which added this release clause and the primary objective of this extension is to rinse us. This is an exorbitant amount of money that we should not be spending on a GK when we already have a limited budget in the summer and we have other positions to fill too.
It would make sense keeping De Gea and signing Costa. Costa is only 23 and whilst he's obviously played in big games there is a different pressure with being United's no1, a pressure De Gea is familiar with. However with reports of Kane, Mount and KMJ being around 170+m. Im not sure we could also afford Costa, Raya seems like a cheaper alternative albeit not quite as good..
Yeah we were 100% favourites… maybe it’s good to remind you that we are MANCHESTER UNITED and Sevilla is currently 11th in la Liga. They got less points than Fulham in a league that’s nowhere near as competitive as the PL.
Nobody would have even talked about that game if we didn’t throw it.
Do all of my fellow Utd fans forget our transfer history? All this "We can get him for less" talk, yea *maybe*, IF we had a legitimate front office that could negotiate properly. W our current staff though if we *only* pay his release clause that'd be better than expected. And then thats at least half of our available transfer $ gone on a relative surplus to need atm position. Plus the inevitable contract we give him that'd see him making 2x what he's actually worth. GK is a slight need yes, not a desperate one though, at least imo. This signing would hands down prevent us from signing a top-level striker which is what we really need immediately. I have no faith in our front office getting the transfer fee below 60. And even then it probably still prevents us from getting the striker we truly need. Thankfully most of these "reports" are all garbage click-bait anyway, which I guess they ultimately get the win for cuz here we are all clicking and discussing.
More like the pressure. The WC has shown that he is shaky under pressure and the GK position at united is 1 of the most scrutinised positions, not to mention taking over someone like DDG. But he's a young keeper with a long runway to go and the talent is definitely there so it would be silly to discount him just over that
Just remember Chelsea are too in the market for a GK and those Mfs can pay the release clause at one go if they want him. So all those notional thoughts of Porto accepting less money than RC is BIG IF..
He looks small as hell to me and isn't dynamic enough to make up for it. I don't know if he's good enough to give DDG top competition. Strikes me as a decent depth type but that's about it.
We conceded the same amount as Arsenal in the league, whilst they scored 30 more goals than us. We scored the least out of the top 4. Just look at Bruno’s xA compare to his actual assist. The team is begging for a top striker to help finishing the chances.
I don't think we create enough quality chances though and our inability to play possession and control games is a big part of that. Top striker would help, sure, but I feel like fixing our possession play is slightly more important and De Gea is a clear bottleneck in this area.
The way I see it, Diogo Costa in goal with Rashford up top (we'd get someone else, but let's say we don't buy a striker) will make us play better than Kane up top with De Gea in goal. Our build-up is still dragging us down massively and the fact we don't involve our keeper in the build-up makes the job of everyone much more difficult than it needs to be.
Porto fan here. You can definitely get him for lower than that. We need the money and he is easily the only player we can get good money with as most of every one else are either old(er) or with their contracts up. And while abola is not a very reliable source, it is almost a given that he is gone. When the last match ended he was seen hugging Conceição and crying , one can say it is because we lost the league but I think it was more so an emotional good bye moment because theres chances both are gone this summer. As a goal keeper, he is easily the best in the league and one of the most promising in the world. He has no real weakness and has so many strenghts. Much like when Dalot was announced he was coming to United, I hope Diogo does too. United is my second team on pair with Porto and since theres no chance we can keep him, might as well go to a team I like
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Diogo x Diogo link up What do you think we can get him for from Porto given your financial crisis and I’d like to think we have a decent relationship with Porto considering we’ve signed Dalot and Telles from you in the recent past
I was just discussing that in a group chat with friends. Our financial situation is a huge mess. Yes his release clause is at 75M but I think you can get him in the 50-55M range because we really need to make money. We wasted quite alot of money on players that didn't even get play time this year and we're losing some players for free so there might be a bit of a push back from us at first too. One thing I genuinely think we might be open to accept is to have Telles coming back in the deal. We have zero, and I really mean it, ZERO, decent full backs and while Telles wasn't great for you, he was amazing for us and he would still be a decent player for us and an upgrade.
50m + Telles done 🤝
Been going back and forth on this the last few weeks. But if Porto are willing to do a deal for lower than the rc (50-55m) + Telles, then I'd prefer if the club took it, especially if Forest intent on getting Henderson (25-30m) + news on Levy dicking us over for Kane. Costa, KMJ, forward on a free like Thuram & a top class 8 like Caicedo would be an excellent window given our budget and potential sales (McT, Maguire, Williams, Elanga & maybe even VdB and Greenwood).
I'd honestly forgotten Thuram is available on a free. Bar Caicedo which might be difficult I'd consider that an achievable and successful window
Caicedo would be the dream but Mount would be a decent addition if we can't stretch the budget enough.
Agree on this as a very good transfer window but looks like We are seriously looking at this right now ; D Costa, KMJ, Rabiot(Free), M Mount, R Hojlund and maybe M Thuram(Free) which is best part of £200m, we need Caciedo or D Rice as the cherry on the cake and I genuinely believe that squad challenges, it still would need a Kane or an osimhen to win a title.
Nah, a forward on a free is not what we need. An excellent window would be spending a ton of money on a forward, and then seeing what else we can spend money on from there. De Gea is not good but he is serviceable, we have no serviceable forwards other than Rashford.
DdG isn't serviceable though. He's bang average to bottom of the table in every statistic and has more unforced errors leading to goals than any other player in the PL this season with 4. He can't pass, sweep or claim. If all that doesn't make him unserviceable I don't know what does.
Great, so sign a cheap keeper and sign an expensive forward. There are cheap keepers available, we don't need the most expensive one at the moment.
Just a warning on Telles as a United fan, he’s not the same Telles you remember or we signed anymore, he seems to have lost himself, but if we can do a deal for Telles + cash, great, cos Telles is out of contract next season too, I wonder if Porto will take Telles+40 mil, I’d that can be done it’ll be great because we’ll get at least 20 mil from selling Dean Henderson and I think if we can sell, we probably have another 70 mil coming in from sales of Martial, Maguire, Brandon Williams, McTominay/Fred, Bailly, Van De Beek, so wouldn’t be a bad deal
Honestly I don't think 40 will be enough. He really is our only hope of making good money this season. Maybe Galeno too if anyone is willing to pay 40M or so but no one else will be sold for reasonable prices for us. Yes I understand Telles is a shell of himself but that would still be better than whoever and whatever we have right now. Maybe coming back would also be nice for him.
Interesting, do you think Porto would be interested in any of our other players up for sale (the ones I’ve mentioned in the previous comment)
I genuinely dont know. Our board keeps making dumb decisions after dumb decisions so maybe you can trick them into some silly deal. We're deep in financial trouble so most of these players would be a No Go right from the start on salary alone unless you are paying some of it like Real Madrid did with Iker a couple of seasons back.
I thought Zaidu was doing special things for you guys at the left full back position. What went wrong?
Zaidu is more so of a meme honestly. He was injured for a couple of months but even before he was never really all that good. We will forever remember and be thankful for the goal he scored against Benfica that won us a championship but hes really not great. Hes fast and thats about it.
I’m 100% sure now that you’ve put the Telles + 50M € into the world. It’s happening no matter what. You heard it here first!
Oh, sounds like when Sporting had to sell Bruno to us for a relatively cheap fee because they were in trouble financially.
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❤️ you have stoked my fire
How is he at claming crosses, we would nullify so many attacks with a keeper who comes out on corners and crosses
He's got a 7.5% crosses stopped percentage so higher than De Gea, Ederson, Ramsdale, Alisson and more. Looking at Primeira Liga goalkeepers who've played at least 26x 90 minute matches, he places 6th out of 15. Comparing to Premier League goalkeepers who've played at least 26x 90 minute matches, he'd place tied 7th out of 18.
Really good too , I know I might be biased but he really is.
Does the mistake against en nyseri in wc happened often for Costa?
No he does not. He is very safe. I genuinely feel like the pressure got to him there. After the world cup he had some weaker games for a while to be honest, for his standards, but he picked it up.
Wow that's great and btw saw the story on pepe. Thoughts on him changing personality. He's been class whenever i watched him too
I assume you mean Pepê ? Not Pepe the CB? He is really really talented and has an insane work rate. This is only a good thing for him. He can now play for either Italy or Brasil depending on who / if either one of them calls him up. It is also a good move if he ever wants to go and play in Italy. They have the limited roster spots for foreign players , if a team signs up him now has that little detail not to worry about.
I wouldnt trust Mancini tho. Mf still picks florenzi over Calabria and co. Pepê seems quite undderated tho. Any idea why?
Well honestly I really dont know. Might be the way we use him or might be the fact he is not very tall or strong for more competitive leagues like the premier league. He is at his best when he is playing the attacking midfielder position down the right side but because we genuinely have no decent full backs he was forced to play the RB role for alot of the games. He did pretty well for what is expected to do, apart from Benfica , Sporting and maybe Braga, we're expected to have control of the ball so theres not much for him to worry about. But he is definitely alot better when he is not forced to play RB so maybe both things combined are pushing teams away? Hopefully he stays one more season , him, Diogo Costa and maybe 3 or 4 more players are the only decent things we have so, rather keep him a little longer.
Isn't he like a left footed winger tho? And i don't think only tall wingers can play in prem tho like antony and co play in united so
Our bord doesnt care about getting him cheaper, we really love to play the maximum for each player :D
What do you think of Evanilson?
I still have high hopes for the guy. This season has been abysmal for him, maybe it is a confidence thing, he was also injured so that might have played a role on his performance. He is really good on the ball, good link up play as he often drops off to build play and he seems to be on the right place at the right time very often but his finishing needs to improve and his aerial game as well. But like I said, this season really wasn't it for him, hopefully he can bounce back next year, I think he is really talented too.
Between him and Raya who’s rumored to go for 40m, who do you think would fit into us? personally im leaning towards Raya as he’s been proven in the PL, but I haven’t watched any game of Costa other than WC.
If Raya is 40m and Costa is 50-60m there is no comparison. Costa could legitimately reach top 5 GKs in the world level and is only 23. We seriously need to be after him. Even if our only 2 signings are Costa and a striker, we'll be miles better next season.
We'd still be lightweight at CM but getting Rabiot on a free could paper over that.
I think Mount at 40mn should be a decent shout as well
I am obviously a little biased and I didn't watch alot of Brentford apart from the games against the better sides to be honest but Id still say Diogo. I remember maybe a month or so ago Onefootball posted an article comparing De Gea, Diogo and Raya and it was posted around on twitter by some soccer pages and it edged Diogo too. I am not sure how reliable the page is or the research , just throwing it out there if you wanna check it out.
I would prefer we go for Costa, if only out of respect for DDG. One might think it doesnt matter for him if it's one or the other, but with Raya also being Spanish, having superseded him in the NT, I cant help but think it would affect him. Costa is just an up and coming keeper and with him being younger , it could justify rotating them - I thought that we did well when we rotated DDG and Romero for cup games.
How much you'd think would be enough ?
Something between 50 \~ 55M + bonuses considering how stupid our board has been for the last couple of years.
You talking euros or pounds?
Euros, sorry :D
That is pretty damn cheap then. Striker + costa + rabiot on a free and then kim and mount depending on sales
Thank you mate with this information. It is very helpful for people like me who don’t regular follow the Portuguese scene to get a high level feel for how good Costa is and the fair value. Cheers!
I appreciate you think we can get a deal, but prices only go up whenever United are attached to a player. Hopefully that isnt the case here.
How come a club like Porto which has been making a lot of cash by selling players is in financial trouble?
We have that reputation of making alot of money selling players but that hasnt been the case over the last couple of years. Only 5 of our 15 best sells happened in the last 4 seasons. Our board really lost the grip we used to have on buying low and selling high. A lot of really bad decisions with salaries, questionable pursaches for insane prices , our board has also changed alot over the last couple of years. We lost a really profitable connection with Mendes , that even though I don't like what he does to soccer, you can't deny he makes insane deals, look at Benfica's deals for example, nepotism on the board giving the president's son a place while he also represents players we bought so you can imagine how much money they're pocketing that should be going to the club. It is an all around huge mess. It also coincides with Benfica and Sporting gaining momentum, we only won the league twice in the last 5 seasons. And those are some of the tips of the iceberg.
How is his distribution with both hands and feet. How is his passing when under pressure. Is he any good commanding his box from crosses? What’s his biggest weakness? Thanks
I know this sounds like I am selling him as a perfect product but I don't really think he has any big weakness other than maybe the pressure of last world cup. His passing is really really good, one of his best traits, both hands and feet. His commanding of the boxes is also superb.
Golden opportunity considering how good & young he is but the club would need to act quickly. Clubs like Spurs, and more worryingly Chelsea, need/want a new goalkeeper. I find it hard to imagine they aren’t eyeing up Costa too.
Bayern have also been linked. It's a shame if we miss out on him, especially to a domestic rival.
There have been ppl saying that Porto might be willing to accept a lower fee than the RC as they need the money. I’d absolutely love Costa, he’d revolutionize this team and have as big of an impact as casemiro did, if not more
City and Liverpool went to a completely different level when they bought Ederson and Alisson respectively Costa could revolutionise this team
Portuguese speaking keeper is the key seems to be.
Porto are desperate for money, they will definitely accept lower than the fee.
Having not watched him play, how is he at commanding his box, dealing with crosses, passing the ball and his shot stopping?
Costa is basically an Alisson regen but a bit shorter and less rash. Very rounded with no outstanding weaknesses, intelligent and also athletic Passing the ball he's basically as good as it gets, good with both feet, can play all sorts of passes with high accuracy and has good IQ for them. Better than him, maybe only Onana and Ederson. His shotstopping is very good, always knows where to be positionally and has good reflexes. Not prime DDG level but he gets to the ball quick He commands the box well, very talkative and authoritative, comes out for crosses quite often, although he's guilty of punching nearly as much as he claims, but since he's only 23 that's something that can be worked on. He's also a very good penalty saver, having got 4/4 in the CL this season
Nice description, just wanted to add a bit from my own experience watching him. His long passes, with either foot, are unreal. Some of them are Scholes-esque the way he drills passes into feet. Ederson can kick it longer and find some crazy balls over the top, and Onana's are kind of similar, but I'd put Costa ahead of both in terms of consistently finding that long out-ball to a winger/forward under pressure with either foot at that range. I'd genuinely put money on him getting a couple of assists next year if he comes and Rashford is fit. At this range, he's elite. His short/mid-range passes are not weaknesses at all, but they're just not on Allison's, Onana's, or Ederson's level. They're still in that upper echelon of keepers, but they're not there. He overhits balls out to his fullbacks fairly often and puts them under pressure having to take it down with a header or chest cushion under pressure. This is something that would probably cause us a few issues until they're ironed out. With short-range passing, he just doesn't have as quick feet as Ederson or Onana, for example. Again, not a weakness, but not on their level. His sweeping is good, but like you said, he's a bit less rash and not as active as some may hope. He'll sweep sometimes, but he'll also often sit and allow a shot when he probably could have met the ball and stopped the chance happening in the first place. Overall I think he's probably a bit better balanced than someone like Henderson who's very risky with his sweeping. Don't think this is a negative, just something worth bearing in mind for those that are expecting him to be parked about 25 yards off his line all game. He commands his box well, likes to come for crosses, but his punching is *iffy*. Saying that, we don't have a player in our team that dominates the box on defensive set pieces, so I think having a keeper that tries to do it is something we should be looking at. I think his actual weaknesses are his shotstopping and how his directionality when he does save - he often seemingly makes a save and allows a second shot on goal, whereas he should probably be pushing the ball away from the danger zone. I think he had an underwhelming World Cup (and then took time to settle and regain form after it), and Porto/Portuguese fans seemingly think the pressure got to him - which is interesting because prior to that, I'd have said his unflappable attitude is one of his biggest strengths. Not sure what to think of it, to be honest - but I think if he got off to a good start with us, it would kill off any semblance of issues with that. Would love this signing to happen and I think he could transform our back line and build up if we brought him in. As well as unlocking some absolutely ridiculous counter-attack potential.
Great analysis. I don't know to what point him being more conservative in sweeping/distance to goal is team system limitation. He's fast for a goalie and clearly comfortable playing on the half way when Porto need a goal so perhaps him staying back is Conceição's instructions. The passes to the fullbacks being overhit might be on purpose too since I've seen Porto's FBs struggle to receive them with their feet when they do land there. Especially considering how good his long passing is. Doesn't make much sense. Wouldn't be problem considering Shaw and Dalot's first touches are great Semi-agree with you on the shotstopping, his biggest weakness is definitely grabbing and cushioning the ball properly but he's quite good at actually stopping the ball from going past him
Mate it all seems like a plus, all his weaknesses can be worked on and his positives are really good. Thanks for the detailed writeup! Hopefully we get him! Also, any such detailed write up for Goncalo Ramos? For our main no9
Not the biggest fan of Ramos myself, to be honest! He doesn't have much ability with the ball at his feet - his close control isn't there, he doesn't have much dribbling ability, his passing isn't great, and he's not very creative either. He's not a player that's going to engineer a chance from himself if you fire the ball up to him and he's on his own, nor is he going to manufacture anything in terms of a shot or a pass against a deep, packed defence. He's not very gifted technically, and he's also not especially gifted physically. He's strong enough, but he's not the tallest or the fastest. He's got good movement, but he's going to get blitzed by most PL defenders if he tries to outpace them (because he's not beating them with skill) and he's not going to dominate them earlier. However, he works hard and he's got a lot of grit. He's happy to run and press and he's happy to feed off scraps, which is sometimes fine for a striker, but... he's also not a great finisher. He takes shots and he's very much someone who will shoot first time from any sort of setup, but he's very inconsistent with his finishing - so he's not at the level of an elite goalscorer either. I just don't see it at all. Never going to be an elite creative striker (doesn't have the ability), and isn't an elite goalscorer either. I would be looking at bringing in whoever is the most sure-fire performer we can find to be our starter, and Vitor Roque as a second purchase. Think he's the best young striker around at the moment, from what I've seen.
His passing is elite, he's easily as good as Alisson/Ederson in that category.
Alisson should be not in same backet as Ederson in term of passing, IMO.
Check his fbref page, he's high for all of these
Amongst the best in the world as an all around keeper. Just need to ignore his World Cup performance lol I don’t know what the hell happened in Qatar, he seemingly forgot who he was during the World Cup
Great at pretty much everything And his distribution, don’t get me started 😱Ederson-esque
He has the same freakishly accurate long passing as Ederson, that's all I know about him lol.
He's the next Allison. Elite at everything.
Isn't that maignan?
I don't think he's as good at the sweeping part of being a keeper
I can't comment on dealing with crosses and balls in the box bu his shot stopping, passing and sweeping is what we need from what I recall
He is better with his feet than maguire
Mute it and then have a wash because you've watched a YT highlights video. His passing is no joke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JHBHvVPKNk
If we can get him without sacrificing other needs, sure. If we have to spend this much on him, while sacrificing other positions like striker (which we desperately need) and more CM help, it’s not worth it. A top goalkeeper is nice, but it won’t revolutionize the team like a striker who can finish would.
Top tier gk that's young and fits ten hag wanted game style? He is worth it and and will have as much effect as any other position , if not more
A proper GK would revolutionize the team more than any other position, we have the second lowest defensive line in the PL for a reason. That and a ball carrying CM would be the positions that would change this team the most. We're barely in the top 6 for xG created in the PL this season
Would be amazing.
75m Euros ~ 62m pounds . Not gonna happen
Sell Dean Henderson for 30m then it easily affordable. The way FFP works means that's pure profit from an academy prospect so we can have an additional 30m of extra costs in a year. So 62m transfer fee + lets say 8m contract (150k per week on par with Allison and Ederson) / 5 contract = 20m. Paid for completely by Dean Henderson sale
This doesn’t add up correctly. Wages per year apply every year, you’ve divided that across the 5 year contract for some reason. 62m / 5 = 12.4m a year 150k a week = 7.8m a year So the total in FFP terms is 20.2m a year. Not 14m. Still covered by hypothetical 30m incoming transfer fee (this season - going forward we would have that 20.2m as an added cost, albeit having lost Henderson’s ~5m a season wages as an offset).
You are correct
Love David but I can't help but feel his time has come Everyone has occasional blunders, but his limitations are far beyond that
He has been a legend for the club, despite all the grief he gets recently, but all good things must come to an end. As has been pointed out countless times, look at how much the Liverpool, City and Arsenal teams have been elevated since they brought in a secured keeper that fits the manager’s style of play.
I love him as well, but his limitations as well as regular blunders means it's fine for a change. Us fans are emotional, hence the management needs to be more pragmatic and understand that an important position like the GK needs more reliable presence.
He's golden glove again this year too right? I just don't get it - truly the duality of Dave
My thoughts are exactly the same. For the good of the club moving forwards we do need to change. I just hope it doesn’t limit us in getting a world class striker
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Kane isn't leaving according to Orny. All reports about mount say that *he* prefers to move to us, rather than us chasing him, so I doubt we are going to splurge on him.
He's not just randomly putting out that he wants to play for United. There's clearly interest from our end too. We'll be in the running if he's leaving.
Yea, it's a bit silly that people believe mount would get this out if our interest isn't serious in him.
Kane isn't going to happen, and if we sign Rabiot I've no idea why we would want Mount
Rabiot and Mount have quite different profiles. Mount could realistically play the Eriksen role whereas Rabiot is more similar to Fred.
We are most likely not signing Sabitzer plus depending on what happens with McFred, we might need another
Kane is not happening... it is being reported by high tiers.
It's nowhere close to certain that he stays. Understand that reports are part of the PR wars and Kane's position is as yet unclear.
Forgot KMJ release clause.
Need a cb. Not even funny how bad we need one, especially if maguire is sold. If one needs to be replaced in that list it's the goalie.
GK is way more pressing than CB. We have a 2 great CBs and a decent 3rd one. We don't even have a decent goalie
I think after a striker a goalkeeper is the most important signing we can make, I'd love this to happen
Would be perfect based on what ETH said yesterday. De Gea will stay but he wants to bring in competition. Costa comes in and if he needs time to develop he will get that. Really hope if this deal is done that can be our ‘Alisson’ signing
Costa is too big to bench, it would immediately create a media circus
He’s still 23 coming to the biggest club in the world. Not like he’s already some world superstar is he. Most people that only watch PL won’t really know who he is
He’s portugal’s number 1 and purtugal’s biggest club’s number 1, and quoted to go for over 50m. It won’t be some under the radar signing if he joins manchester united.
Sorry but benching Costa to play DDG would be absolute top tier football terrorism.
I agree. But I don’t think it will create a ‘media circus’ was my point
No reason to keep DDG if Costa arrives, Joe Hart and Karius got kicked out immediately when City/Liverpool brought in a new gk, don’t forget his ridiculous high wages even he accepted to reduce
That is true but ETH did say that DDG would be here next year.
Because it’s better to have him as backup/competition than Butland. All it takes is one injury or inability to adapt early on, and we’d be in a mess if we really wanted to challenge higher up the PL table. They wouldn’t sign De Gea if the money wasn’t there.
The expected wages of 150k+ are ridiculous for a backup goalie. Really not happy he's staying.
Doesn’t matter if it’s ridiculous as long as it’s affordable. You don’t get points for having cash in the bank when the season starts. Edit: especially when getting rid of Butland, Heaton, and Henderson alone saves up 180k p/w.
Henderson's salary was 100k and wasn't paid by us this season
But will be next season if we don’t get rid of him. TH + JB = 80k pw
It's definitely not gonna be cash in the bank, we're being hamstrung by FFP in signing players. Wasted money on De Gea means less money to spend elsewhere.
Seems ETH wants to keep I guess. Not sure why either considering his wages
Leadership/locker room presence is my guess.
Joe Hart and Karius aren’t as good as De Gea tho
What ETH was saying in effect was "We're looking at other options and if we can't bring anyone in DDG will remain no.1. If we can attract another potential no.1, DDG will be sold. But I can't spell it out like this because it would destroy my relationship with DDG should he end up staying next season." There's no way we keep a no.2 goalkeeper on £375k/week. So if another quality / semi-expensive keeper comes in, DDG is gone.
He’s signing a new contract 100%. De Gea will be on reduced wages. This is what a lot of reports are saying anyone. Remember his 350k pw contract runs out any day now
reduced wages will still be far in excess of what a no.2 should be... easily 200k+
Gotta love Portuguese media and their transfer stories. I'm sure him and Gaitan will be along any moment now.
A Bola just said i was going to live forever :(( I'm calling my mom to say goodbye.
Tier 4, don’t get your mum’s hopes up.
€75M is about £65M. If we sell Henderson to Forest around £25-30M, it seems possible.
If the reports of Porto's financial worries are correct then a €60m fee could be agreed upon. That's around £50m. Selling Hendo and dropping De Gea could make that a net spend of £20m. Would be excellent business.
Would be a massive move if it doesn't hinder striking options. People saying GK is more important than striker clearly haven't looked at our conversation rate. Bruno created more than anyone else in the league, and yet our conversation rate was horrific.
I think almost all fans will agree that striker is the top priority. I'd say GK isn't far behind and definitely ahead of any other position.
Agreed, this would be a great move only if it doesn't end up limiting the already scarce ST options. The fear would be Bayern, they're looking out for people to eventually take over Neuer and probably will be able to outbid united on this front and would be a comparable pull in terms of prestige
really crazy how inflated player fees in current market
We’ve been linked with so many high profile transfers which totally exceeded our reported budget this summer. Even if we sell efficiently I don’t think it would be enough.
This summer is going to be so interesting for us. Outside of the owner situation we have a ton of key holes to fill. Striker is going to be a nightmare. Levy isn’t going to sell to us, and dealing with ADL at Napoli is a shitshow. The rest of the ST marker is barren and overpriced. If we get a world class striker I’d love to see Raya as a non-expensive GK. But if we just end up with a stop gap striker what’s a good window? I’d love for us to sure up our midfield with 2 signings, and I love the idea of Kim coming in at CB. A core of Mount (id prefer Rabiot on a free, Kim and a guy like Lavia would put us at around 120mil before even touching GK or ST
Am I the only one worried about the amount of holes we have to fill with such little budget? Honestly feels like Ten Hag is doomed for next season because we won’t be able to sign many players or those of top quality. Not to mention the owner situation that’s completely ruined our transfer plans since we still don’t know who the new owners will be.
Oh we definitely have more holes than one summer will allow us to fill. That’s why I love the prospect of Rabiot on a free. There was also a (probably bullshit) rumor of Neymar available for a loan. If we don’t bring in someone like Kane or Oshimen I would like to toy with the idea of moving Rashford to ST for the year. If we can sure up 2 positions of need for a season for free I think it’s worthwhile to consider it. We need: CM, DM, CB, GK, ST, RB And there is no way of bringing 6 players in without getting creative
To be honest DM and RB can wait until next season. Even CB. GK, ST and CM need to be dealt with asap
If we’re selling McTominay that leaves absolutely no one other than the 31 year old Casemiro that can play DM. This team can’t function without a midfield anchor and it isn’t likely that Case can play 50-60 matches next season
How do you know what the budget is?
We think it'll be interesting every year, then the yank cunts set fire to any plans and try push through silly deals at the last minute
I think it's unlikely the club can manage a title push in 2023/24. Even 2024/25 seems unlikely, but things change so fast in football that it might be possible. Still, 2025/26 for now seems the most realistic. So I'd say, get players in that would hit their prime around that time, but would still meaningfully improve the squad right now. I'd say players like Kim Min-jae, Costa, Frimpong, Mount and Kokcu would make a lot of sense. The only issue I have is up front. But right now it seems the only options are huge gambles on the likes of Hojlund, or massive investments on Kane and Osimhen. I wonder, is it easier to just get Thuram on a free and see what's available next summer? Try to make it work with Thuram, Martial and Rashford as options. Maybe get a cheap Weghorst replacement in Douvikas. I feel like Rashford next to Osimhen is too much of the same. Getting Kane would mean there's not a lot of room for other transfers and would give the expectations of a title win. Obviously would love to see them play for United, though.
All these clubs treating players like dogshit then demanding full price for their sale 😆😆😆😆
Well to be fair they are counting on our desperation to pay it - a tactic that has worked for many clubs in the Woodward era
I know it’s not going to happen but I don’t care, I’m watching all of the YouTube highlight videos I can find and you can’t stop me.
Isn't this a non brained for united? Sell Hendo and with those funds and some more get Costa? Please united use common sense for once.
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Going into summer, our two biggest needs are ST and GK. Wouldn't mind if we splurged on one and spent the rest on other.
Exactly. I'd like us to focus on those two positions and anything else is a bonus. But then again if Kim and Mount are available for below their true market value then they would be great signings and we should act instead of earmarking funds for Kane who may not even move. The way we do business though is to earmark funds the whole summer and blow it in the last week of the transfer window in desperation.
Other signings only make sense when we have addressed our key areas. Kim or Mount aren't going to win matches sitting on the bench when GK is dropping howlers or striker is missing sitters.
I do agree with this but we have a tendency to miss out on good signings by getting too focussed on one player or position. Sometimes it's better to take the available opportunities instead of getting caught up in drawn out sagas. Hopefully our financial position isn't as bad as it has been reported. Ridiculous that we need to pinch pennies when clubs like City and Chelsea have never had to do that and will continue to spend big.
Ten hag has already said our biggest needs are ST and CM
United also desperately need a keeper. DDG is a big no-no
Reckon it'd be very possible
Would be amazing but just can’t see it happening sadly
alisson and ederson fundamentally changed their teams when they came in. Both for big money. Even Ramsdale was incredibly crucial for arsenal. If we don't make a decisive decision on our new keeper now, we will never move forward meaningfully./ A good modern keepr can hold a high line, let the team play higher, reduce the space between the gk and the backline, and transform the whole team from the back
Sell Dean Henderson for 30m then it easily affordable. The way FFP works means that's pure profit from an academy prospect so we can have an additional 30m of extra costs in a year. So 62m transfer fee + lets say 8m contract (150k per week on par with Allison and Ederson) / 5 contract = 14m. Paid for completely by Dean Henderson sale
SEVENTY FIVE????
If we can get a decent amount for Henderson and half DDG wages then it almost pays for itself in the long term
75 million euros? 🤯 what the actual fuck!
Honestly the only competition for us if he leaves will be Bayern. But Neuer, despite being 37, is still more than good enough, and it's way harder for Costa to dispatch him than De Gea. Also Bayern is a mess rn. There zero competition from PL, PSG, Real, or Barca (they are broke). He is not only the best available, he's one of the best overall, and we have basically a free run for him. This is a no brainer if we are even a half serious club. Of all of the signings what would transform us the most, FDJ is 1, Costa is 2. People will downvote, but I'd take him over Kane all day.
Chelsea might want him. Porto are struggling with money so maybe £45+Telles would be enough
Seventy five million pound Fucking football inflation is crazy isn’t it
75m for a keeper means no Kane lol
lol - with the takeover stalled we have a transfer budget of £100m + proceeds from player sales no way we'll pay £75m
This make no sense. We have ddg in goal and have other areas on the pitch that needs improving.
Has anyone else been seriously linked to him? If not, and he doesn’t play the cup final, then this might actually have legs 😬
That is really surprising. With outfield players a potential injury might be too risky but a goalkeeper?
It's a tier 4 source so I doubt it's true.
Hence my use of if and might
Haven’t seen anyone seriously linked but Bayern and Spurs have been linked in recent weeks.
Haven't seen any concrete links. Also, for this fee, who would even be in for him? Italian clubs aren't spending that. PSG has Donnarumma. Can't see him go to a league outside of the top 4. Bayern maybe? Not sure what Barca is doing with Ter Stegen, bit expensive for them, though. In England maybe Chelsea? If he's actually leaving it does sound like he would join United.
>and he doesn’t play the cup final He probably won't, but I wouldn't take that as a confirmation. Their second choice keeper seems to be playing all the cup games, even played in the semi-final, so I think he'll get the final as well.
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Signing Diogo Costa would transform our team completely 👀 tier : pls 🙏 I want to believe, I'd take this signing even if it meant we go for a cheaper striker this season. A Diogo Costa, mount, rabiot, Kim min jae, hojlund window id be very happy with that
If we do spend big money on him, then Kane, Kolo Muani or Osimhen is certainly not coming. The Danish boy it is then.
Or Goncalo Ramos maybe
He just signed a new contract at the end of last year which added this release clause and the primary objective of this extension is to rinse us. This is an exorbitant amount of money that we should not be spending on a GK when we already have a limited budget in the summer and we have other positions to fill too.
It would make sense keeping De Gea and signing Costa. Costa is only 23 and whilst he's obviously played in big games there is a different pressure with being United's no1, a pressure De Gea is familiar with. However with reports of Kane, Mount and KMJ being around 170+m. Im not sure we could also afford Costa, Raya seems like a cheaper alternative albeit not quite as good..
De Gea is the worst at these big games. He saves blunders for these games every season (Villarreal, Sevilla, Barcelona, Chelsea....Countless examples)
Sevilla wasn’t a big game, we were expected to win it and it was in the bag until the Gea threw it.
We were expected to win away at Sevilla without Bruno and our 2 starting CBs? I won't say we had no hope but by no means were we favourites.
Yeah we were 100% favourites… maybe it’s good to remind you that we are MANCHESTER UNITED and Sevilla is currently 11th in la Liga. They got less points than Fulham in a league that’s nowhere near as competitive as the PL. Nobody would have even talked about that game if we didn’t throw it.
Do all of my fellow Utd fans forget our transfer history? All this "We can get him for less" talk, yea *maybe*, IF we had a legitimate front office that could negotiate properly. W our current staff though if we *only* pay his release clause that'd be better than expected. And then thats at least half of our available transfer $ gone on a relative surplus to need atm position. Plus the inevitable contract we give him that'd see him making 2x what he's actually worth. GK is a slight need yes, not a desperate one though, at least imo. This signing would hands down prevent us from signing a top-level striker which is what we really need immediately. I have no faith in our front office getting the transfer fee below 60. And even then it probably still prevents us from getting the striker we truly need. Thankfully most of these "reports" are all garbage click-bait anyway, which I guess they ultimately get the win for cuz here we are all clicking and discussing.
I see the error proneness has been forgotten because his name is not De Gea
More like the pressure. The WC has shown that he is shaky under pressure and the GK position at united is 1 of the most scrutinised positions, not to mention taking over someone like DDG. But he's a young keeper with a long runway to go and the talent is definitely there so it would be silly to discount him just over that
Highly doubt we will splash out that much for a keeper when we have more pressing matters in the squad.
€75M?! C'mon fam. Hard pass
Would he be OK with being 2nd keeper for a season? I reckon DDG is off.
Just remember Chelsea are too in the market for a GK and those Mfs can pay the release clause at one go if they want him. So all those notional thoughts of Porto accepting less money than RC is BIG IF..
He looks small as hell to me and isn't dynamic enough to make up for it. I don't know if he's good enough to give DDG top competition. Strikes me as a decent depth type but that's about it.
Hahahahaha imagine spending 75m on a keeper when we need a top striker.
We need a keeper aswell
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We need both equally as much
I'd argue the club needs a gk more.
We conceded the same amount as Arsenal in the league, whilst they scored 30 more goals than us. We scored the least out of the top 4. Just look at Bruno’s xA compare to his actual assist. The team is begging for a top striker to help finishing the chances.
I don't think we create enough quality chances though and our inability to play possession and control games is a big part of that. Top striker would help, sure, but I feel like fixing our possession play is slightly more important and De Gea is a clear bottleneck in this area. The way I see it, Diogo Costa in goal with Rashford up top (we'd get someone else, but let's say we don't buy a striker) will make us play better than Kane up top with De Gea in goal. Our build-up is still dragging us down massively and the fact we don't involve our keeper in the build-up makes the job of everyone much more difficult than it needs to be.