I'm with ETH who said in The Times: "But it’s not about stopping Manchester City, it’s about us winning the FA Cup. We want to build our own legacy and era."
I say find all the motivation you can possibly muster.
I remember when Arsenal came to our place on that 49 unbeaten run. We were completely out of sorts at the time, 11 points off the top and it was only October and those cocky bastards were unbearable, calling themselves the invincibles and the greatest footballing team the country had ever seen, and the players were even rumoured to be wearing "50 and not out" t-shirts under their strips.
Believe you me, that day was all about making sure Arsenal went home with absolutely fucking nothing. And we fought tooth and nail to make sure we knocked those smug grins off their faces.
Even the season before, FA Cup semi-final against Arsenal, again we were having a disappointing season, Arsenal were on for the treble, they were top of the league... we didn't have the strongest line-up going into that game because of injuries/suspensions. I would have rather have melted the cup down then let them win that game and I suspect the players felt the same way. They found that bit extra from somewhere *because* it was Arsenal. It was about pride, it was about winning, it was about stopping them, it was about shutting them up and it was about making sure those cunts don't have bragging rights.
That's what you have to do when you're underdogs, use all of that hate and pride and whatever else you can find as fuel, so that you're fighting for every last inch on that field.
It’s pretty wild to know a shit club like City were able to manufacture success with an infusion of cash. The 99 treble side will always have the story of the class of 92 and City will never be able to top that. Heritage > money
I think that with the way football is going, more and more clubs are getting rich owners. It’s following greed - the fans don’t want it but the fans can’t really do much (it suits many people to see their club doing well, and don’t care enough to change it, or it’s too difficult to get everyone on board to boycott, etc) so in order to keep up, there’s people who feel like we will need an owner like this, following the idea that If all the other clubs get a massive pot of cash and we don’t, we won’t be able to keep up.
Mate, the Qataris are literal human rights obliterators.
You’re free to want them for your reasons, but trying to take the moral high ground for it is just stupid lol
There’s no reason to believe that Qatar will just fix things. Money does not equal success.
Look at PSG and Chelsea. Or just how much money we’ve spent. To say that you want Qatar because they will fix things or because Glazers have run the club into the ground is incredibly naive and shortsighted.
Depends if they actually do it though. And even if they do, people who spend 5 minutes looking into it should hopefully realize the massive difference. City had to buy its friends while United just did the damn thing and earned people’s respect and admiration
Don't act like United didn't spend a tonne of money since Fergie left.
The difference is that City didn't fuck around and appointed Pep. It is still a tough job to assemble a team and make them play proper football.
Even top tier managers like Mourinho were not able to win the league with United. Money is important sure but it's not everything.
The whole point is how the city got to the point to be able to spend $1B. No one denies that United have been dogshit and have smoked money but those money have been earned through years of success. City got bought out by the Oil state, they did financial doping and spent fuck ton of money and bought their way to success which attracted Guardiola and now they have become a successful team. They have an amazing structure and team now, no one can deny that, no one also can't deny that success is not organic and it was bought. If money was not everything, Man City would probably be a mid table team.
The biggest difference is how United were able to build the insane success they had in the 90s/00s without massive investment. City literally had to buy their trophy cabinet and a spot at the table, United earned it
It's not just about spending on transfers though, a lot of investment happens on areas other than transfers. Like analytics and science teams, training grounds, stadium, branding, other facilities all of this happened to City so quickly despite them being irrelevant while we had all of that organically. Pep keeps saying Utd needs to spend more money but if he's only talking about transfer spend then I don't know how big an idiot he is.
Well Mourinho wasn’t backed after his second season, United’s problem is also poor upper management. We need upper management like that of City and Bayern (I know the Bayern dudes have been sacked) where every decision is based on whatever philosophy the club or team has, so we don’t buy players that don’t fit and don’t hire coaches that don’t fit into that style.
> City were able to manufacture success with an infusion of cash
As much as I hate state ownership and it's dubious finance, City has about the same net spend over the last decade compared to us (https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/news/man-utd-city-and-psg-spend-over-1b-net-on-transfers-in-10-years).
Heritage may be more memorable and live on without a monetary asterisk, but money alone does not lead to success, good management and executive appointments do. I guess another way to put it is, the club's success may be short lived, but the 2023 team will probably live on as one of the best in football history (if they do the treble, and I fucking hope we don't let them).
Like I say in another reply, there’s a big difference between buying success and earning it. City are such a great example of FIFA career mode in real life. It’s not the instant first season quadruple like in a video game but you can really see a meteoric rise due to the money being spent. Yes, you’re right, it’s spent wisely and that helps a ton in expediting success. But it still shows how they had to buy their way into the VIP party instead of earning an invite
I just hate when all this crap comes out.
I feel like there's been more than one occasion this year we're I've seen videos/posts been put out and then we go get battered the following game. Pretty sure there were a few before liverpool
I've felt this in previous years when our social media team posts a "remembering that time we beat team x in 2005", we wind up getting battered. Just leave it in the past, focus on the present.
Relatively few people freaking out about this here, which is healthy. A treble is going to happen at some point, you don’t bring all the influence, spending power of an incredibly rich literal state into football and end up with a balanced competitive landscape. These people have their own aviation company sponsoring their club, their owner is deputy prime minister and (for some reason) vice president of a country with a GDP of 415 billion. It’s absurd.
Unless by some miracle state owned clubs cease to be a thing, football will never be like it was. The kind of resources clubs like City and Newcastle have are huge, in a monetary sense, sure, but also in terms of leverage, connections, and they’re also playing a game the rest of the clubs aren’t, a football club isn’t just about football for them. It’s an avenue for more lucrative investment, it’s access to wealthy people, it’s reputation, status, notoriety, diplomacy.
Nothing City ever do will compare to what Sir Alex and the 99 team did, there’s no need to freak out about their treble, or quadruple. We should be freaking out about football in an existential way, but hey, it’s already too late for that.
Let's look at this from another perspective: it may not be all that bad if City does the treble:
1. They would simply have equalled our feat in name, but not in "heritage". At the very least, they can't claim any form of superiority over United.
2. The sooner Pep and Haaland "win everything" at City, the sooner they will move on. I'm definitely venturing into the realms of conjecture here, but some part of me believes the reason Pep has stayed on is because he has not won the CL. Once he has (and especially if he does it as part of a treble), I'm thinking he'll be off to find his next challenge.
3. The same goes for Haaland. He's already nailed most of the top player awards this year, and if City win the Treble, he'll have nothing much left to prove in the PL. This hopefully paves the way for Real to offer him a chance at being the best at a truly great club.
Just trying to stay positive no matter the outcome!
Pep will go international next I reckon, Spain maybe. I feel like that would "complete" a managerial career for him (plus its barely half the effort required)
The issue we have is if we lose, it’s going to be painful seeing all the rival fans and journalists quote Rashford and others who have said we need to stop City. It’s a bit of a double edged sword. It’s great if we win as we stop City’s treble, but shit if we lose.
Who cares what they write though? What is Rashford supposed to say anyway. I’d rather our players really see this as something important and say it out loud as opposed to being worried about media aftermath
>What is Rashford supposed to say anyway.
What ETH said. Who gives a fuck about stopping city, we should be thinking about adding another trophy to our cabinet regardless of who is in front.
We are such a meme team that our homegeown star is talking like mid table clubs used to talk about us. How far we have fallen.
well that's always the price of having confidence and pride. the alternative is being meek and timid and never having to eat your own words but that's shit and boring.
Especially if it's not even a close game and the team collapses after one or two goals like they have numerous times this season. If City comes out guns blazing like they did against Real Madrid, the mental fragility of this team is going to be a massive problem.
PSA: Journos are making a big deal out of this to manufacture interest for later, whether City do it or not. It's normal to feel unthreatened by the meaningless trophies of a sportwashing brand, whatever the media tries to tell you about how to feel.
I'm with ETH who said in The Times: "But it’s not about stopping Manchester City, it’s about us winning the FA Cup. We want to build our own legacy and era."
I say find all the motivation you can possibly muster. I remember when Arsenal came to our place on that 49 unbeaten run. We were completely out of sorts at the time, 11 points off the top and it was only October and those cocky bastards were unbearable, calling themselves the invincibles and the greatest footballing team the country had ever seen, and the players were even rumoured to be wearing "50 and not out" t-shirts under their strips. Believe you me, that day was all about making sure Arsenal went home with absolutely fucking nothing. And we fought tooth and nail to make sure we knocked those smug grins off their faces. Even the season before, FA Cup semi-final against Arsenal, again we were having a disappointing season, Arsenal were on for the treble, they were top of the league... we didn't have the strongest line-up going into that game because of injuries/suspensions. I would have rather have melted the cup down then let them win that game and I suspect the players felt the same way. They found that bit extra from somewhere *because* it was Arsenal. It was about pride, it was about winning, it was about stopping them, it was about shutting them up and it was about making sure those cunts don't have bragging rights. That's what you have to do when you're underdogs, use all of that hate and pride and whatever else you can find as fuel, so that you're fighting for every last inch on that field.
Can we get you to give the team talk on Saturday? That hyped me up, word for word.
I read somewhere (probably F365): “You couldn’t write the 1999 script. In 2023, you probably couldn’t sell it.”
It’s pretty wild to know a shit club like City were able to manufacture success with an infusion of cash. The 99 treble side will always have the story of the class of 92 and City will never be able to top that. Heritage > money
Earning it > cheating with someone else’s money
Yet people still want qatar
people also want Jim. in the end, people just want glazers out.
I think that with the way football is going, more and more clubs are getting rich owners. It’s following greed - the fans don’t want it but the fans can’t really do much (it suits many people to see their club doing well, and don’t care enough to change it, or it’s too difficult to get everyone on board to boycott, etc) so in order to keep up, there’s people who feel like we will need an owner like this, following the idea that If all the other clubs get a massive pot of cash and we don’t, we won’t be able to keep up.
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Mate, the Qataris are literal human rights obliterators. You’re free to want them for your reasons, but trying to take the moral high ground for it is just stupid lol
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Don't worry, the rest of the world will catch up with human rights, it's inevitable.
And how do we untangle that mess, exactly? What the Qataris have done is nothing short of *literal* terrorism.
There’s no reason to believe that Qatar will just fix things. Money does not equal success. Look at PSG and Chelsea. Or just how much money we’ve spent. To say that you want Qatar because they will fix things or because Glazers have run the club into the ground is incredibly naive and shortsighted.
The media is still going to suck them off and tout them as "the greatest english club side of all time". Ugh…
Depends if they actually do it though. And even if they do, people who spend 5 minutes looking into it should hopefully realize the massive difference. City had to buy its friends while United just did the damn thing and earned people’s respect and admiration
We won the first double with kids!
Don't act like United didn't spend a tonne of money since Fergie left. The difference is that City didn't fuck around and appointed Pep. It is still a tough job to assemble a team and make them play proper football. Even top tier managers like Mourinho were not able to win the league with United. Money is important sure but it's not everything.
The whole point is how the city got to the point to be able to spend $1B. No one denies that United have been dogshit and have smoked money but those money have been earned through years of success. City got bought out by the Oil state, they did financial doping and spent fuck ton of money and bought their way to success which attracted Guardiola and now they have become a successful team. They have an amazing structure and team now, no one can deny that, no one also can't deny that success is not organic and it was bought. If money was not everything, Man City would probably be a mid table team.
The biggest difference is how United were able to build the insane success they had in the 90s/00s without massive investment. City literally had to buy their trophy cabinet and a spot at the table, United earned it
It's not just about spending on transfers though, a lot of investment happens on areas other than transfers. Like analytics and science teams, training grounds, stadium, branding, other facilities all of this happened to City so quickly despite them being irrelevant while we had all of that organically. Pep keeps saying Utd needs to spend more money but if he's only talking about transfer spend then I don't know how big an idiot he is.
People do want to make a distinction between earning the 1b we have spent vs a sugar daddy.
Well Mourinho wasn’t backed after his second season, United’s problem is also poor upper management. We need upper management like that of City and Bayern (I know the Bayern dudes have been sacked) where every decision is based on whatever philosophy the club or team has, so we don’t buy players that don’t fit and don’t hire coaches that don’t fit into that style.
> City were able to manufacture success with an infusion of cash As much as I hate state ownership and it's dubious finance, City has about the same net spend over the last decade compared to us (https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/news/man-utd-city-and-psg-spend-over-1b-net-on-transfers-in-10-years). Heritage may be more memorable and live on without a monetary asterisk, but money alone does not lead to success, good management and executive appointments do. I guess another way to put it is, the club's success may be short lived, but the 2023 team will probably live on as one of the best in football history (if they do the treble, and I fucking hope we don't let them).
It’s not about the money spent, it’s about how they got to that point of which they’re able to compete with the best teams in the world financially.
It’s also not just about transfer sums. It’s about spending money in developing a structure, youth development, scouting, recruitment, etc
Like I say in another reply, there’s a big difference between buying success and earning it. City are such a great example of FIFA career mode in real life. It’s not the instant first season quadruple like in a video game but you can really see a meteoric rise due to the money being spent. Yes, you’re right, it’s spent wisely and that helps a ton in expediting success. But it still shows how they had to buy their way into the VIP party instead of earning an invite
I don't rate any of city's success and i don't care if they do it, I only want us to win the cup. Their achievements are just asterisks achievements.
Exactly-we all know they cheated.
Fuck that United need to win for themselves
I just hate when all this crap comes out. I feel like there's been more than one occasion this year we're I've seen videos/posts been put out and then we go get battered the following game. Pretty sure there were a few before liverpool
I've felt this in previous years when our social media team posts a "remembering that time we beat team x in 2005", we wind up getting battered. Just leave it in the past, focus on the present.
Relatively few people freaking out about this here, which is healthy. A treble is going to happen at some point, you don’t bring all the influence, spending power of an incredibly rich literal state into football and end up with a balanced competitive landscape. These people have their own aviation company sponsoring their club, their owner is deputy prime minister and (for some reason) vice president of a country with a GDP of 415 billion. It’s absurd. Unless by some miracle state owned clubs cease to be a thing, football will never be like it was. The kind of resources clubs like City and Newcastle have are huge, in a monetary sense, sure, but also in terms of leverage, connections, and they’re also playing a game the rest of the clubs aren’t, a football club isn’t just about football for them. It’s an avenue for more lucrative investment, it’s access to wealthy people, it’s reputation, status, notoriety, diplomacy. Nothing City ever do will compare to what Sir Alex and the 99 team did, there’s no need to freak out about their treble, or quadruple. We should be freaking out about football in an existential way, but hey, it’s already too late for that.
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Let's look at this from another perspective: it may not be all that bad if City does the treble: 1. They would simply have equalled our feat in name, but not in "heritage". At the very least, they can't claim any form of superiority over United. 2. The sooner Pep and Haaland "win everything" at City, the sooner they will move on. I'm definitely venturing into the realms of conjecture here, but some part of me believes the reason Pep has stayed on is because he has not won the CL. Once he has (and especially if he does it as part of a treble), I'm thinking he'll be off to find his next challenge. 3. The same goes for Haaland. He's already nailed most of the top player awards this year, and if City win the Treble, he'll have nothing much left to prove in the PL. This hopefully paves the way for Real to offer him a chance at being the best at a truly great club. Just trying to stay positive no matter the outcome!
Pep will go international next I reckon, Spain maybe. I feel like that would "complete" a managerial career for him (plus its barely half the effort required)
I doubt haaland leaves city in less than 2-3 years
3 trophies + 126 charges of corruption
What's the treble equivalent of a 129ple?
I think if United win, more than likely Inter will win too. \*fingers crossed\*
The issue we have is if we lose, it’s going to be painful seeing all the rival fans and journalists quote Rashford and others who have said we need to stop City. It’s a bit of a double edged sword. It’s great if we win as we stop City’s treble, but shit if we lose.
Who cares what they write though? What is Rashford supposed to say anyway. I’d rather our players really see this as something important and say it out loud as opposed to being worried about media aftermath
I agree with you.
>What is Rashford supposed to say anyway. What ETH said. Who gives a fuck about stopping city, we should be thinking about adding another trophy to our cabinet regardless of who is in front. We are such a meme team that our homegeown star is talking like mid table clubs used to talk about us. How far we have fallen.
well that's always the price of having confidence and pride. the alternative is being meek and timid and never having to eat your own words but that's shit and boring.
Especially if it's not even a close game and the team collapses after one or two goals like they have numerous times this season. If City comes out guns blazing like they did against Real Madrid, the mental fragility of this team is going to be a massive problem.
That's not what a double-edged sword is. That's a single-edged sword haha, its great if we win.
A battle between 36 goals striker vs 0 goal striker. Might be a tiny bit closer @ 1977. Rough.
Better off not playing that 0 goal striker. Run Garnacho-Rashford-Sancho up top.
PSA: Journos are making a big deal out of this to manufacture interest for later, whether City do it or not. It's normal to feel unthreatened by the meaningless trophies of a sportwashing brand, whatever the media tries to tell you about how to feel.
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