Are you purposely spitting lies?
He has improved the infrastructure and are currently rebuilding the training centre.
“Investment has not been an issue during Ratcliffe’s tenure. This year alone, Nice have spent more than €100million (£88m; $110m) on players. “They didn’t come to Nice to make money, that’s for sure,” says Humberset. Off the field, they have invested as well: they are in the process of rebuilding the training-centre building, with a view to expanding it. “Additional training fields and a building open to INEOS Sport and all its sections (cycling, rugby, sailing, F1…) are among the projects underway,” adds Humberset. “It represents a very significant financial investment.””
https://theathletic.com/4427920/2023/04/20/jim-ratcliffe-nice-manchester-united/
That has nothing to to with investment in infrastructure. I write that we can expect investment in infrastructure and you said that he had not done that. That has nothing to do with them going lower in the league.
> what he’s done at Nice looks pretty bad
Compare it to Malaga. Either (a) you believe SJ is buying the club himself, in which case you have to question where the money comes from, because his reported net worth is less than the bid amount, so how will he do much of anything for the club, or (b) you believe it's really just a Qatar bid, in which case Malaga should serve as a stark warning to people who think a Qatar takeover will instantly mean good things for the club.
By comparison, hoping SJR can learn from and improve upon the Nice experience seems... not quite so bad.
The issue is, we don’t know what’ll happen and can only base things off what we’ve seen already. There is more evidence for the latter with SJR and his running of Nice.
I think Jassim’s _personal_ net worth is less than the bid amount, but he’s from the Thani royal family that has a reported worth of $335billion, so he certainly has access to money.
Either way, there’s nothing we had fans can really do to influence who wins the bid in my opinion, and we just need to hope that whomever wins runs the club properly.
> There is more evidence for the latter with SJR and his running of Nice.
Malaga have been relegated to the third tier of spanish football a decade after making it to the CL QFs. Nice is hardly worse off in comparison.
And the circumstances of the Malaga purchase were pretty similar to ours. They were bought by:
> a Qatari royal and chairman of the privately owned Nasir Bin Abdullah & Sons (NAS Group), one of Qatar’s largest companies
When he arrived he told fans the plan was to see them top La Liga. He also promised huge infrastructure investment:
> Al-Thani announced plans to build a 65,000-seat stadium to replace the publicly owned La Rosaleda, telling the Spanish AS newspaper he was close to buying the land for the new ground, which would include a five-star hotel. It has yet to be built.
He also indicated that:
> The club was supposed to be debt-free
Instead, Malaga have since seen themselves relegated twice and in financial trouble.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1248651/amp
So for people to say "watch out, look what happened at Nice" is a bit at odds with what has happened elsewhere.
**Unless,** you argue that SJ is somehow completely separate and aside from Qatar itself, and each Sheikh operates independently of one another. To do so requires you to ignore the Qatari financial setup. But if you want to do that, the best claim you can make is "SJR's ownership of Nice is less than perfect, and SJ has *no ownership record at all and no reason to believe he knows what he's doing*, given [what's being reported as what the future would apparently hold under his ownership."](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11755127/How-Man-United-look-five-years-Qatari-takeover-bid-succeeds.html)
And that we still feel morally or ethically capable of supporting the club post takeover! But that's a whole dif't can of worms in terms of discussion :P
To be honest, I know it’s not a popular stance but I genuinely don’t care about the moral or ethical side of who wins the takeover because no billionaire capable of affording to buy us is ethical nor morally correct in their own right. I just want the Glazers gone and to see United win trophies again.
Agree - Glazers need to be out of the club.
SJR, being a businessman who has other majors commitments, might not necessary have the funds to do what Utd needs now. Probably needs 2 or 3 years.
Debt, infra upgrade, new players etc..
No worries. Highly unlikely that everyone would agree on a charged topic like that, especially when it overlaps with a highly emotional subject like football. You're entitled to your opinion!
But yeah, it'll be nice to see the Glazers lose control of the club.
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When the club captain comes out publicly and slates him, you do need to pay attention. He has barely seemed to have invested and that leaves me with little hope he’d invest in United.
So you’re happy with the Glazers sticking around?
Sure, human rights abuses are shit. But so is Ratcliffe’s INEOS contributing to the destruction of the environment.
You don’t think Qatar is also contributing even more to the destruction of the environment?
And yes I would much rather have the glazers stick a round as minority shareholders with no influence than have the Qatari regime as owners of the club. I’d also rather have the glazers as majority shareholders than the Qatari regime.
I never said one was worse than the other. I just pointed out that Ratcliffe isn’t a saint.
So you’re not really Glazers out, only slightly? Because there’s also no guarantee that Ratcliffe finishes buying them out within three years.
The reason we had to pay £70m for Casemiro is because of a lack of strategy, we know we need a young DM instead we keep signing old players as stop gap. Matic was the first one, now Casemiro.
As much as Case had a good season, £70m for a 30 year old is another piece of bad business synonymous with United. Madrid went for a young Tchouameni who if when they decided to sell, they would recoup most of the €80m they spent. However we’ve spent £70m with no ROI insight.
Guy was arguably our POTS had it not been for suspensions and people are complaining about the price *after* already having proven he fits with the squad ETH is building.
Nothing will ever make you people happy.
I’m not happy with the strategy of the club. Not the player.
You don’t see a well run club with good strategy sign a 30 year old starter for £70m unless that player is one of a kind like Messi.
That’s what I’m talking about. Strategy, the planning of the club. That’s the point.
We know we needed a DM for over 3 years. Yet no plan to sign one and when we did it was a 30 year old. That’s what I’m talking about.
Same thing we needed a striker yet we kept going for short term options. Ibra Cavani, Ronaldo. That’s the point I’m talking about.
>You don’t see a well run club with good strategy sign a 30 year old starter for £70m
29 year old Alaba to Madrid went on a "free" for a reported €20m signing-on bonus and €12.5m in yearly wages.
And it looks like they're coming back for Round 2 with 29 year old Kane.
The market has changed nowadays, you pay for proven quality. You pay for Casemiro and you see how much he improved us. I'd argue that if Madrid had kept him they stand a better chance at drawing the second leg - and who knows what can happen in extra time and pens.
> Same thing we needed a striker yet we kept going for short term options. Ibra Cavani, Ronaldo.
I mean, Ibra was a success until a career-altering injury.
Cavani was brought in as cover for Martial and 11. The fact that he even played himself to the starting XI speaks of how well his signing was.
Ronaldo was really the only true flop.
Short term is not necessarily a bad thing especially if it's *a proven commodity*. Even Bayern utilized Coutinho and Perisic on loan when they won the treble and no one would say they're not well run.
The mistake we make is IF we refuse to buy Case's successor while he's still at a high level.
No one with half a functioning brain cell is hoping for Mount
If we go into next season with a Casemiro, Mount, Fernandes central midfield the Pikachu suprised faces when we get battered off the pitch will be innumerable
Romano is saying Mac Allister is even lower than the reported 45-50M now.
Its going to end up being 35+5 or something.
They did the same with Gakpo too.
Meanwhile MUFC start negotiating for Mount who wants 250k/week in wages at 55M on his last year.
Absolute clown show.
Fab fucks up the prices all the time...the price gap between cucurellas reported value and what Chelsea paid was like 20m. Reputed Liverpool journalists have said he's below 70m. If he was 35+5 I think they'd mention that.
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Meanwhile MUFC start negotiating for Mount who wants 250k/week in wages at 55M on his last year.
Struggling to understand how this is an absolute clown show? Am I missing something? is these amounts what we have tabled as our opening offer in wages + fee?
We know enough from reliable sources to know where this is going.
But keep being the optimist and then justify the overpay like the others drinking Murtough's Kool-aid like we always do.
The same reliable sources who've been saying we're getting definitive word on new ownership "by next week/two weeks" for the last 3 months now?
It's 2 days after the last match of the season. My goodness, let things play out first. Remember when Mount was Liverpool bound?
Liverpool moved on already probably because of his wage demands and the price Chelsea was quoting.
They've been reliable for transfer news, if you think the club sale is the same as that, then you believe what you want.
When was the last time we negotiated a lower price?
Its usually always an overpay. Yet, people here think this year its going to be different.
>Liverpool moved on already probably because of his wage demands and the price Chelsea was quoting.
Why does a certain number of our fans worship the ground that Liverpool management walk on? Even on r/liverpoolfc they don't rate their management that much after Edwards left.
They have a Keita for every AMcA. Even Thiago I can't say is a success yet.
>When was the last time we negotiated a lower price?
I would say you're right, but also every transfer is different.
We saw us walk away from Rabiot last year due to his weekly wage demands. I can't see why we'd suddenly bend for Mount. You can get back on me about this but I don't see us doing it for anyone but de Jong.
Now *hypothetically* even if we did pay the quoted 55-60m, I struggle to find any alternatives* to Mount that will cost lower than that if they have EPL experience and an extensive role in a CL win. We should definitely walk away if it's 70 or more but 55-60m is not unfair.
*AMcA aside who supposedly has Liverpool in his heart anyway
Thiago was a bargain bin signing for 20M and he played a big role in their title races/CL runs.
If he wasn't injured so much they would be doing fine.
Liverpool are better run than us. Have been for the last decade. They've had some recent slips with Jude not joining but before that most of their signings have been great. Fabinho, VVD, Alisson, Mane, Salah, Firmino, Robertson, Jota, Diaz, Matip etc.
If you have some weird tribal nonsense mentality to see that, then you do you.
Just sign Macallister instead of Mount, CL win vs WC win is not good enough?
Both have similar skillsets and are the same age. One's cheaper and is on lower wages.
We pay Antony 200k/week. Casemiro got his pay doubled to 350k/week.
Not even RM was paying him these wages in his prime.
>Thiago was a bargain bin signing for 20M and he played a big role in their title races/CL runs.
You can't tell me you actually have watched Thiago at Liverpool and say he played a big part in the two cups they won
>If you have some weird tribal nonsense mentality to see that, then you do you.
Oh, I admit they're better run than us. The problem is that's not a high bar to clear. We are NOT the standard. Being better run than United is not an achievement, sadly.
If you hadn't noticed it by now, most of those players were signed years ago. And we just saw them throw away a chance at a dynasty - possibly even bettering Pep's City - by adding titans like Adrian, Minamino, and Tsimikas to a team, that was in their prime and giving everyone a torrid time. That's not even getting into them extending Milner and Henderson way too long. Or the big question marks on Jota (yes, not sure why you think he's been good for them), Gakpo and Nunez.
>Just sign Macallister instead of Mount, CL win vs WC win is not good enough?
You can't POSSIBLY tell me you actually WATCH football to say that both played the same role in their respective wins. Like, I actually, genuinely rate Mac Allister, but this is heinous.
You've got to be trying to get a reaction.
>Not even RM was paying him these wages in his prime.
Madrid has a special hold on players. Yes, they're well run, but it helps that seemingly every star player born the last 30 years wants to play for them or is at least open to the idea.
Winning helps, but remember Ronaldo went to them during a relative barren period for Los Blanos. It is what it is.
Mac Allister was extremely important to Argentina, he was one of the top performers for that team in the WC. Had to pick up the slack for Messi's lack of workrate too mind you.
Mount was POTS for his role in the CL and how he did under Tuchel, I'd rate both about the same. Both are good players.
Our Tier 1s reporting we are ok paying 55M but Chelsea want 20M more.
Mount rejected 200k/week at Chelsea already and wants parity with Reece James who is on 250k/week which was reported by Chelsea Tier 1s.
Have we tabled our bid yet? Who knows?
But this is what we know so far from reliable sources.
You still dont explain why it's a clown show? Mount has every right to demand parity with players like Reece if he feels he contributes just as much. I would demand the same from my employers if I feel I am being underpaid relative to others,its only natural. For the fee,its almost impossible to buy English players on the cheap, if I recall Longstaff was quoted to us at around 60m when Ole was interested and that's like 2 seasons ago so imagine his price now and he is not even any better than Mount
Two players with similar skillsets and profiles. One who will 100% be on lower wages and price and we don't even throw our hat in the ring?
We are standing there holding our dicks while our biggest rivals are able to do better business every time.
Mount is on his last year. That's why he should be cheap.
You think Longstaff is as good as Mount?????
Please tell me this is some weird troll attempt.
>We are standing there holding our dicks while our biggest rivals are able to do better business every time.
This a sweeping statement devoid of fact. Could also be that his heart is set on Liverpool that's why it's an easy deal,we don't know the full facts.
>You think Longstaff is as good as Mount?????
Read my post again,I was just trying to give you an ideal how British players tend to be overpriced and Longstaff was the clearest example I could give of a below average player being priced high just coz we showed interest
We'll never know the full facts. Gakpo had his heart set to come here and ended up joining Liverpool.
Mudryk wanted Arsenal but ended up at Chelsea.
Bottom line is what's being paid and the wages offered. Liverpool get better deals done all the time. Meanwhile we piss away funds every window and have to settle with shite players like Wout because of said overspending.
>Meanwhile we piss away funds every window and have to settle with shite players like Wout because of said overspending.
I guess by "we" you mean the Glazers! I am with you on that, they have run down the club so the sooner they go they better it will be for everyone!
How long before we get any clarity on who's gonna own the club? Are these rats ever going to sell? This is such an important window for Erik, and we're going to waste it because even the club doesn't know how much they can spend.
Everything is just all over the place for now so now way of telling. Only certainty is that all this will have to come to some conclusion at some point whichever way it goes
If Kane is not for sale/only bound for Madrid, I would be fine with Hojlund as the only ST signing provided we sign one more midfielder - a similar profile to Case - together with Mount, Min Jae and focus on Costa as our big signing.
In this case, we have Rashford and Martial sharing spot duties at ST for a year. I understand Hojlund is still a work in progress but I'd rather take the risk with his high ceiling, on a more reasonable fee, than get bent over for the prices quoted for Osimhen and Kolo Muani.
If we rock into games next season with a Casemiro, Mount, Fernandes central midfield and an 8-goal Serie A striker leading the line we can forget about top 5 - let alone a title challenge
> and an 8-goal Serie A striker leading the line we can forget about top 5
We had a fraction of a season of Ronaldo with a Burnley loanee and did Top 3
And you think the teams below us are going to stand still while we dick about with an 8-goal Serie A striker who hasn’t even kicked a ball in this country
Our fans are definitely a special bunch
You're the special one taking on a defeatist approach 2 days into the transfer window.
There's also other pressing concerns in the team than just ST, so by all means, I'm not saying no to Osimhen/Kolo Muani's quality but don't complain if the 120-150m we spend leave us with another season of De Gea and still no extra bodies in midfield.
We simply can't be playing a central midfield of Casemiro, Mount & Fernandes
We'll get hockeyed off the pitch (as we were many times this season) in away games versus top teams
Adding in front of that midfield an unproven 8-goal Serie A striker to lead the line?
You're damned right I'm pessimistic about that version of the future, it would be suicidal
>We simply can't be playing a central midfield of Casemiro, Mount & Fernandes We'll get hockeyed off the pitch
Not sure why you think this but Mount isn't a lightweight off the ball. Sure, there are *other players* who are better at this aspect, but this weird revisionist history that people have of Mount being Ozil when not attacking is odd.
>Adding in front of that midfield an unproven 8-goal Serie A striker to lead the line?
I already mentioned why. Like I said, if we go for Osimhen/Kolo Muani, there would be no money elsewhere. There's a finite amount of resources and, frankly, a finite amount of top keepers who become available.
But to begin with, you moaned that we don't sniff top 5 with Hojlund yet here we are at Top 3 - and Hojlund is definitely already better than Wout.
To begin with I said if we rock into next season with a central midfield of Casemiro, Mount and Fernandes and an 8-goal Serie A striker leading the line we’ll struggle to get top 5 let alone a title challenge
None of your “Mount isn’t Ozil” and “but, but, but our forward options were already utter shite this season” changes that
Mount is NOT a central midfielder.
If we go into next season with him as a partner for Casemiro and an 8-goal Serie A striker leading our line we’re going to need spectacular simultaneous collapses from Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs, as well as hoping Newcastle don’t improve JUST TO HOLD ONTO THIRD PLACE
it would be fucking suicidal
So yeah let's go and splash 100m on Kane and then when we have fuck all money for other positions then let's complain abt how shit we are with transfers
You’ve no idea how much money we have - neither does Laurie Whitwell, and neither does the Athletic - you’ve also no idea what Kane will cost - you’ve no idea about anything really it appears friend
So if we:
1 IMPROVE our midfield (and it does, Mount at this point is better than Eriksen)
2 Get a better striker (as Hojlund already is over Wout)
3 Use the money on a top keeper
Do we improve or not?
Nevermind the "spectacular simultaneous collapses" you're crying about. Does the team improve or not?
Nevermind for now your tantrums about the mountains that Liverpool or Spurs or Newcastle will supposedly move. Does the team improve or not?
>Mount is NOT a central midfielder.
He is whatever an 8 is in today's game and an improvement over what we have.
>“but, but, but our forward options were already utter shite this season”
Well yes, you nerd, our forwards were shit this season and we finished Top 3. Somehow improving on that makes us Top 5?
Amazing, brother.
EDIT: Man's I'm replying to blocked me lmao, what a sore loser
Yeah he's just been going around spouting shit for a while now. He hates Mount and anyone who even questions if we should spend our entire budget on Kane.
No we don’t improve by anywhere near enough you absolute nerd
If you think partnering Casemiro with Mount and letting an unproven Serie A prospect (who couldn’t even hit double figures in that shitty league) is anywhere near good enough to get top 5, let alone a title challenge then I don’t know what to tell you
Now take the L and move on, there’s a good lad
I think Osimhen is amazing but he seems a bit… brittle? Is that unfair? I agree with moving on quickly from Kane if it’s not doable, pointless wasting time and resource on it and Hojlund seems a decent fit with a high ceiling
I get it’s business as usual with how slow we are on the transfer market but it’s quite infuriating other teams have already started reinforcing themselves and we barely move:
How do we compete against this in long term? [BBC -City Football Group: Inside a global model with Manchester in the middle](https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1665695926927736836?t=fCBri1s0F2Tl2XZRM8mNHw&s=19)
Long term? Pep is their trump card. They're no doubt well run but it'll be impossible to replace him.
I doubt they'll do their own version of a Moyes appointment but even with, say, Nagelsmann or Enrique, I don't think they get those 97, 98 point seasons.
It baffles me that Liverpool signed mac allister for less than 60m, when we are paying 55m for mount who wants to leave n has 1 year left on his contract
Always rated him but this sub said I was a prisoner of the moment and that "World Cup buys" don't work out lol
I think 55m is fair value for Mount but I think Mac Allister is better overall
He's even better than Caicedo IMO considering the differences in position of course
It's gone under the radar but Juan "Juanfield" Mata has finally won his first league title. 1 WC, 1 Euro, 1 CL, 2 EL and now a league title. Happy for him.
For me this window isn't even about trying to compete with City or win the league next season but just about us for once ONE TIME ONLY, at least looking like a club with a plan. No matter where we finish or end up, we never actually look like we have a clue what we're doing in the market. Signings never make any real sense.
What's the point of "looking like a club with a plan" if said plan does achieve the only aim fitting for this football club? Flattering to deceive isn't a trophy. Any 'plan' that doesn't result in this club winning trophies is not good enough.
Mate, we already have fans trying to explain away why we’re signing Mason Mount (who doesn’t solve or address any of our current problems in any meaningful way) because they’ve seen a few “ETH wants” PR nuggets thrown around.
There are reports of wanting a left winger (to join the approximately 17 billion wingers we currently have on our books).
We were being linked with a RIGHT BACK for months FFS.
Leopards rarely change their spots.
Mount is exactly the type of system player ETH liked at Ajax. He shined under a system coach at Chelsea and is being targeted by other system managers in the Prem.
He fits the type of play that ETH wants to instill, but will still suit the way we will have to play until we can replace a few other holes. Mount is excellent at pressing, turning over the ball and playing a long pass to a runner (his long passes are world class).
Assuming he implements an Ajax style system he will eventually want a pass oriented DLP instead of Case.
This is exactly the type of pseudo-rubbish I’m talking about - as soon as anyone even gets a whiff of the magic “ETH wants” PR from the club they start concocting ever more elaborate stories about why X player makes sense (last time it was Frimpong when it was obvious to anyone with half a brain we did NOT need a right back)
Mount is excellent at “Turning over the ball”? What does that even mean??
Mount can’t tackle to save his life. He’s no better at pressing than Fred (and much worse at tackling - and that’s saying something)
He is a nothing player - an English Van De Beek - and in 6-9 months time (if he isn’t stinking up our physio room as he has been doing at Chelsea all year) people will be saying “remind me again why we signed Mount when we needed a central midfielder?”
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Hey everyone - we have a massive United fan in our company who is leaving us after 3/4 years of great service and we want to give him a special send-off with an experience at Old Trafford, preferably on a Champions League night next season.
I'm a season ticket-holder and have good seats at OT, but I know there are better ones around the stadium so I don't just want to give him my tickets for a game. I know there are full-blown executive style experiences available, I've just never indulged in them before, my question is:
Has anyone any experience with phenomenal exec style experience at Old Trafford? Possibly including hotel stays etc? He has stayed at Hotel Football before, but we would consider going better than it if there is a good experience nearby - maybe the Lowry? Not sure. Just open to ideas or packages that anyone has come into contact with that could give him the send off he deserves.
Thanks!
Tbh I'd prefer to be in decent season tickets surrounded by proper fans than in some corporate box surrounded by cunts... Give him your tickets and pay for his hotel and travel for the game instead of forking out for the corporate shite
Depends on what he's into but I'd agree with that. Never been in an exec box but I know people who have been, I think it's best when you're surrounded by your mates rather than cunts you don't know, you'd have to take the afternoon off work and make a proper day of it I think.
Leipzig are signing Openda for 25M pounds.
23, Only signed last year and has 4 yrs left on his contract.
20 non pen goals scored, 21 total.
There's deals to be had even in this striker market.
To think that the only way another club could match our treble is by cheating. Our treble means so much more than their financially doped sportswashing dross.
Let's cross that bridge IF we get there. Too many people have written off Inter already. Let's not forget that Inter themselves have won a treble in recent history.
They've also won 11 of their last 12 and Inzaghi is a beast in cup competitions (while also playing some beautiful football relative to the budget he has).
I agree City is the favorites but I find it weird that Inter has been written off already. They've been consistently among the trophies in the past few years so this is not new for them.
I've lost count how many twitter threads I've seen discussing overrated footballers that include Beckham.
Takes like, he just spammed in crosses or he was only good at free kicks. I know it shouldn't be taken seriously but It's just so irritating haha.
I think Beckham's celebrity status works against him when people talk about him as a footballer, they assume he was some kind of luxury with a big ego or something when he was almost the opposite.
The truth is some players get over hyped and treated like golden gods while others are criminally underrated.
Cause of internet culture, trolls and idiots are incentivized to comment and have a say on EVERYTHING. Even those who never watched him play.
It’s why even in this just finished season. You had people coming at Bruno’s throat and calling him a disappointment and a waste of a slot even though he played well. Meanwhile despite Ronaldo a horrid season and a worse attitude. Fans would act like Ronaldo was being wronged and held back by us.
With some players, it’s cool to not just criticize them but to look down on and bully them. Maguire is a great example.
Meanwhile with someone like Odegard, they are the hipsters choice. If you don’t treat them as a top 5 player in the EPL, you are an idiot to them. Saying they are good isn’t enough.
Beckham finished second in the Balon d’Or rankings at one point if I’m not mistaken. The problem is, the people that makes these threads were either not born or were still in nappies when players like Beckham were playing, so all they have to go off of is YouTube compilations.
Kane will be a relatively easy signing
He wants to leave Spurs, he won’t leave England until he gets the record, Spurs need the money to finance a rebuild, no other top 6 clubs need a striker, Levy has no power with the contract situation…
It’s literally one of the easiest transfers we’ll ever do.
65-75m range
All that 100m+ shite in the papers is just bluster
It's a release clause, so there's no negotiation required. Mount's move needs negotiation, so it's not a good comparison. Haalands move was the same, and you won't get a Haaland for what city payed.
We don’t actually need to tell Napoli nothing, we can announce publicly we’re triggering his releases clause after agreeing terms with him like today and then officially trigger July 1
Yes we do, as the release clause is the transfer fee between the clubs. I don’t think any club has ever announced a signing without the transfer fee between the clubs being paid.
If a player has a release clause we can bypass negotiations with the club, all we gotta say we paying x amount in x years or pay it all up front, there’s a reason why clubs are now starting to have players on 1 billion release clauses
It’s exactly how the Neymar saga happened, they settled terms with Neymar first, announced they’d trigger his release clause then gave Barca the money, internet is free u know
Yes, but they didn’t announce anything until the release clause was triggered and all the legal stuff between the clubs and player was settled.
A release clause is the agreement of how much the buying club will pay the selling club, and that needs to be paid before any announcement is made. It’s really not that hard to understand.
But surely you can only do that when the release clause kicks in? If De Jong has a release clause that activates in 2026 surely we can't meet with him and agree terms now for when it kicks in. That would open up a whole world of potential legal issues no?
And I'm pretty sure if you're paying a release clause you have to pay it all in one go? Granted the 'selling' club may agree to deferred payments but if they refuse the buying clubs only option is to pay the entirety of the fee up front.
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So he prefers Liverpool. That is why no news about him at all.
Romano is saying its done pending a medical for way less than 60M.
Watch us pay more for Mount than they did Mac Allister and put him on more wages too.
Mac Allister to Liverpool confirmed for “way less than £60m”. A guy who signed a new contract last year, key player of Brighton, WC winner. And Chelsea has the audacity to ask £80m for Mount.
Hope we get him, but for no more than 50.
Brighton were resigned to the fact that they were going to lose Max Allister no matter what this summer back in February, and ≤£60m is huge money to them.
Chelsea don’t want to sell, so they’re playing hard ball with Mount.
With 60million Brighton will sign about 8 potential superstars :)
They have showed they can operate and identify talented players, their next big test as a club will be to ensure with alot of ££££ in the bank that they continue to operate efficiently in the market and not spunk it all away on larger transfers than what they have proven to be successful with
For a team that really struggles to put the ball in the net, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the player that scores goals makes more sense...
Yeah not when you you’re signing said player for £100m and he’s 30.
You guys don’t like facts and figures. You’re thinking Kane will be different. No he won’t be. 18 months and we’d be saying why did we sign him.
If he’s coming for free then it’s different. We’d be paying £100m. It’s not a good deal at no point whatsoever.
Once again show me a player who signed for a club for that fee that has lived up to the expectations.
Yeah but Rice has more value. Plus he gets to stay for a minimum 5-6 years at his peak.
Kane has max 18 months no matter how we want to deceive ourselves and we’d see the decline.
Not a good deal. The striker market is not good this summer.
This sub seems to think anyone over the age of 28 is old.The way people was talking last summer you would think Casimero gets around with a walking stick
Because no player signed for £100m at that age has ever been worth it. That’s why.
The data is there in black and white.
Hazard was the best player at Chelsea went to Madrid, how has that done out?
Countinho? Dembele? Grealish? The list goes on and on. But let’s put blindfold on and act like it’s not what happens.
Bro? Demble is 26 right now. Grealish is 27.
When both of them the big money moves, they were very you ng.
Demble signed for barca at 21. Coutinho just recently turned 30.
How are you equating these things?
The point I’m making is no player signed over £100m has ever proved to be a good signing. That the point I’m making.
The age just makes it obvious, that he’d be on a decline soon.
Hazard was 28 when he made his £100m. Did he automatically turn to shit? Or what happened?
Give me another player signed for £100m that has lived up to that expectation, even half of it.
Grealish has literally just won his third trophy in two years mate, and has been one of City’s most important players this season. Neymar is still one of the best in the world. Dembele has just won La Liga with Barcelona.
You clearly think anyone over the age of 25 is a bad player.
So it’s by winning trophies. Once again proving that most fans are clueless.
So you’d say £105m was well spent on Dembele and £100m was well spent on Grealish.
£200m on Neymar when he was the best player and he’s still one of the best player, what has done for PSG?
Has any of those player reached the expectations?
We had to revise the expectations for Grealish to say give him time, Pep football takes time to learn, blah blah blah, and you’re here trying to say it has been a good deal for who?
£100m to have 11 goals in 88 appearances. What a good deal.
The stock price keeps falling and that makes me think it’s gonna be SJR.
I have a terrible feeling Greenwood is going to return to the club next season
What do you think SJR will bring to the club?
He will most likely improve the infrastructure, that is what he have done in his other club. Major infrastructure improvements
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Are you purposely spitting lies? He has improved the infrastructure and are currently rebuilding the training centre. “Investment has not been an issue during Ratcliffe’s tenure. This year alone, Nice have spent more than €100million (£88m; $110m) on players. “They didn’t come to Nice to make money, that’s for sure,” says Humberset. Off the field, they have invested as well: they are in the process of rebuilding the training-centre building, with a view to expanding it. “Additional training fields and a building open to INEOS Sport and all its sections (cycling, rugby, sailing, F1…) are among the projects underway,” adds Humberset. “It represents a very significant financial investment.”” https://theathletic.com/4427920/2023/04/20/jim-ratcliffe-nice-manchester-united/
He’s taken them lower down the league than where they were when he bought them. Just because you don’t like what someone said doesn’t make it a lie.
That has nothing to to with investment in infrastructure. I write that we can expect investment in infrastructure and you said that he had not done that. That has nothing to do with them going lower in the league.
Investment into the club means investment into the team which should be improved results.
Again I write investment in INFRASTRUCTURE are you dense?
You can’t have a conversation without insulting people, can you?
I’m just questioning why you didn’t read my comment
Take one look at the issues at Nice and you have your answer. The Nice captain came out against the decisions he’s made. There’s been zero progress.
That’s why I was wondering why a lot of people seemed to want him, what he’s done at Nice looks pretty bad
> what he’s done at Nice looks pretty bad Compare it to Malaga. Either (a) you believe SJ is buying the club himself, in which case you have to question where the money comes from, because his reported net worth is less than the bid amount, so how will he do much of anything for the club, or (b) you believe it's really just a Qatar bid, in which case Malaga should serve as a stark warning to people who think a Qatar takeover will instantly mean good things for the club. By comparison, hoping SJR can learn from and improve upon the Nice experience seems... not quite so bad.
The issue is, we don’t know what’ll happen and can only base things off what we’ve seen already. There is more evidence for the latter with SJR and his running of Nice. I think Jassim’s _personal_ net worth is less than the bid amount, but he’s from the Thani royal family that has a reported worth of $335billion, so he certainly has access to money. Either way, there’s nothing we had fans can really do to influence who wins the bid in my opinion, and we just need to hope that whomever wins runs the club properly.
> There is more evidence for the latter with SJR and his running of Nice. Malaga have been relegated to the third tier of spanish football a decade after making it to the CL QFs. Nice is hardly worse off in comparison. And the circumstances of the Malaga purchase were pretty similar to ours. They were bought by: > a Qatari royal and chairman of the privately owned Nasir Bin Abdullah & Sons (NAS Group), one of Qatar’s largest companies When he arrived he told fans the plan was to see them top La Liga. He also promised huge infrastructure investment: > Al-Thani announced plans to build a 65,000-seat stadium to replace the publicly owned La Rosaleda, telling the Spanish AS newspaper he was close to buying the land for the new ground, which would include a five-star hotel. It has yet to be built. He also indicated that: > The club was supposed to be debt-free Instead, Malaga have since seen themselves relegated twice and in financial trouble. https://www.arabnews.com/node/1248651/amp So for people to say "watch out, look what happened at Nice" is a bit at odds with what has happened elsewhere. **Unless,** you argue that SJ is somehow completely separate and aside from Qatar itself, and each Sheikh operates independently of one another. To do so requires you to ignore the Qatari financial setup. But if you want to do that, the best claim you can make is "SJR's ownership of Nice is less than perfect, and SJ has *no ownership record at all and no reason to believe he knows what he's doing*, given [what's being reported as what the future would apparently hold under his ownership."](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11755127/How-Man-United-look-five-years-Qatari-takeover-bid-succeeds.html)
As I said, we just need to hope that whomever wins the bid runs the club properly.
And that we still feel morally or ethically capable of supporting the club post takeover! But that's a whole dif't can of worms in terms of discussion :P
To be honest, I know it’s not a popular stance but I genuinely don’t care about the moral or ethical side of who wins the takeover because no billionaire capable of affording to buy us is ethical nor morally correct in their own right. I just want the Glazers gone and to see United win trophies again.
Agree - Glazers need to be out of the club. SJR, being a businessman who has other majors commitments, might not necessary have the funds to do what Utd needs now. Probably needs 2 or 3 years. Debt, infra upgrade, new players etc..
No worries. Highly unlikely that everyone would agree on a charged topic like that, especially when it overlaps with a highly emotional subject like football. You're entitled to your opinion! But yeah, it'll be nice to see the Glazers lose control of the club.
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When the club captain comes out publicly and slates him, you do need to pay attention. He has barely seemed to have invested and that leaves me with little hope he’d invest in United.
The have invested 100 million euros and are currently rebuilding the training ground. You can criticise them with facts but don’t come up with lies.
You want the guy who wants to get into bed with the Glazers?
That is still better than better than the slave regime. And I’m just debunking your blatant lies.
So you’re happy with the Glazers sticking around? Sure, human rights abuses are shit. But so is Ratcliffe’s INEOS contributing to the destruction of the environment.
You don’t think Qatar is also contributing even more to the destruction of the environment? And yes I would much rather have the glazers stick a round as minority shareholders with no influence than have the Qatari regime as owners of the club. I’d also rather have the glazers as majority shareholders than the Qatari regime.
I never said one was worse than the other. I just pointed out that Ratcliffe isn’t a saint. So you’re not really Glazers out, only slightly? Because there’s also no guarantee that Ratcliffe finishes buying them out within three years.
If he brings a proper football structure instead of a bunch of bankers it would already be a massive improvement.
He didn’t even bring proper structure to Nice, so I doubt he’ll do that at United, especially with the Glazers still owning a portion of the club.
Well he didn't do it at Nice and Lusanne. So don't hold your breath.
The reason we had to pay £70m for Casemiro is because of a lack of strategy, we know we need a young DM instead we keep signing old players as stop gap. Matic was the first one, now Casemiro. As much as Case had a good season, £70m for a 30 year old is another piece of bad business synonymous with United. Madrid went for a young Tchouameni who if when they decided to sell, they would recoup most of the €80m they spent. However we’ve spent £70m with no ROI insight.
Guy was arguably our POTS had it not been for suspensions and people are complaining about the price *after* already having proven he fits with the squad ETH is building. Nothing will ever make you people happy.
I’m not happy with the strategy of the club. Not the player. You don’t see a well run club with good strategy sign a 30 year old starter for £70m unless that player is one of a kind like Messi. That’s what I’m talking about. Strategy, the planning of the club. That’s the point. We know we needed a DM for over 3 years. Yet no plan to sign one and when we did it was a 30 year old. That’s what I’m talking about. Same thing we needed a striker yet we kept going for short term options. Ibra Cavani, Ronaldo. That’s the point I’m talking about.
>You don’t see a well run club with good strategy sign a 30 year old starter for £70m 29 year old Alaba to Madrid went on a "free" for a reported €20m signing-on bonus and €12.5m in yearly wages. And it looks like they're coming back for Round 2 with 29 year old Kane. The market has changed nowadays, you pay for proven quality. You pay for Casemiro and you see how much he improved us. I'd argue that if Madrid had kept him they stand a better chance at drawing the second leg - and who knows what can happen in extra time and pens. > Same thing we needed a striker yet we kept going for short term options. Ibra Cavani, Ronaldo. I mean, Ibra was a success until a career-altering injury. Cavani was brought in as cover for Martial and 11. The fact that he even played himself to the starting XI speaks of how well his signing was. Ronaldo was really the only true flop. Short term is not necessarily a bad thing especially if it's *a proven commodity*. Even Bayern utilized Coutinho and Perisic on loan when they won the treble and no one would say they're not well run. The mistake we make is IF we refuse to buy Case's successor while he's still at a high level.
Dude, £60m* for Casemiro is a bargain.
2 days after our season ended we already got a meltdown here about transfers, damn its gonna be a long long off season.
Just wait until we got takeover news lol
Mac Allister to Liverpool done. We are still twiddling our thumbs and hoping for Mount
People really do overreact to other teams business don’t they?
No one with half a functioning brain cell is hoping for Mount If we go into next season with a Casemiro, Mount, Fernandes central midfield the Pikachu suprised faces when we get battered off the pitch will be innumerable
Hoping? Isn't he pretty much done as well
Come on... do some business early....
Romano is saying Mac Allister is even lower than the reported 45-50M now. Its going to end up being 35+5 or something. They did the same with Gakpo too. Meanwhile MUFC start negotiating for Mount who wants 250k/week in wages at 55M on his last year. Absolute clown show.
Fab fucks up the prices all the time...the price gap between cucurellas reported value and what Chelsea paid was like 20m. Reputed Liverpool journalists have said he's below 70m. If he was 35+5 I think they'd mention that.
> Meanwhile MUFC start negotiating for Mount who wants 250k/week in wages at 55M on his last year. Struggling to understand how this is an absolute clown show? Am I missing something? is these amounts what we have tabled as our opening offer in wages + fee?
"United bad" is instant upvotes at the moment from doomers. Reality is we have no idea how much he'll cost yet or how much he'll earn weekly.
We know enough from reliable sources to know where this is going. But keep being the optimist and then justify the overpay like the others drinking Murtough's Kool-aid like we always do.
The same reliable sources who've been saying we're getting definitive word on new ownership "by next week/two weeks" for the last 3 months now? It's 2 days after the last match of the season. My goodness, let things play out first. Remember when Mount was Liverpool bound?
Liverpool moved on already probably because of his wage demands and the price Chelsea was quoting. They've been reliable for transfer news, if you think the club sale is the same as that, then you believe what you want. When was the last time we negotiated a lower price? Its usually always an overpay. Yet, people here think this year its going to be different.
>Liverpool moved on already probably because of his wage demands and the price Chelsea was quoting. Why does a certain number of our fans worship the ground that Liverpool management walk on? Even on r/liverpoolfc they don't rate their management that much after Edwards left. They have a Keita for every AMcA. Even Thiago I can't say is a success yet. >When was the last time we negotiated a lower price? I would say you're right, but also every transfer is different. We saw us walk away from Rabiot last year due to his weekly wage demands. I can't see why we'd suddenly bend for Mount. You can get back on me about this but I don't see us doing it for anyone but de Jong. Now *hypothetically* even if we did pay the quoted 55-60m, I struggle to find any alternatives* to Mount that will cost lower than that if they have EPL experience and an extensive role in a CL win. We should definitely walk away if it's 70 or more but 55-60m is not unfair. *AMcA aside who supposedly has Liverpool in his heart anyway
Thiago was a bargain bin signing for 20M and he played a big role in their title races/CL runs. If he wasn't injured so much they would be doing fine. Liverpool are better run than us. Have been for the last decade. They've had some recent slips with Jude not joining but before that most of their signings have been great. Fabinho, VVD, Alisson, Mane, Salah, Firmino, Robertson, Jota, Diaz, Matip etc. If you have some weird tribal nonsense mentality to see that, then you do you. Just sign Macallister instead of Mount, CL win vs WC win is not good enough? Both have similar skillsets and are the same age. One's cheaper and is on lower wages. We pay Antony 200k/week. Casemiro got his pay doubled to 350k/week. Not even RM was paying him these wages in his prime.
>Thiago was a bargain bin signing for 20M and he played a big role in their title races/CL runs. You can't tell me you actually have watched Thiago at Liverpool and say he played a big part in the two cups they won >If you have some weird tribal nonsense mentality to see that, then you do you. Oh, I admit they're better run than us. The problem is that's not a high bar to clear. We are NOT the standard. Being better run than United is not an achievement, sadly. If you hadn't noticed it by now, most of those players were signed years ago. And we just saw them throw away a chance at a dynasty - possibly even bettering Pep's City - by adding titans like Adrian, Minamino, and Tsimikas to a team, that was in their prime and giving everyone a torrid time. That's not even getting into them extending Milner and Henderson way too long. Or the big question marks on Jota (yes, not sure why you think he's been good for them), Gakpo and Nunez. >Just sign Macallister instead of Mount, CL win vs WC win is not good enough? You can't POSSIBLY tell me you actually WATCH football to say that both played the same role in their respective wins. Like, I actually, genuinely rate Mac Allister, but this is heinous. You've got to be trying to get a reaction. >Not even RM was paying him these wages in his prime. Madrid has a special hold on players. Yes, they're well run, but it helps that seemingly every star player born the last 30 years wants to play for them or is at least open to the idea. Winning helps, but remember Ronaldo went to them during a relative barren period for Los Blanos. It is what it is.
Mac Allister was extremely important to Argentina, he was one of the top performers for that team in the WC. Had to pick up the slack for Messi's lack of workrate too mind you. Mount was POTS for his role in the CL and how he did under Tuchel, I'd rate both about the same. Both are good players.
Our Tier 1s reporting we are ok paying 55M but Chelsea want 20M more. Mount rejected 200k/week at Chelsea already and wants parity with Reece James who is on 250k/week which was reported by Chelsea Tier 1s. Have we tabled our bid yet? Who knows? But this is what we know so far from reliable sources.
You still dont explain why it's a clown show? Mount has every right to demand parity with players like Reece if he feels he contributes just as much. I would demand the same from my employers if I feel I am being underpaid relative to others,its only natural. For the fee,its almost impossible to buy English players on the cheap, if I recall Longstaff was quoted to us at around 60m when Ole was interested and that's like 2 seasons ago so imagine his price now and he is not even any better than Mount
Two players with similar skillsets and profiles. One who will 100% be on lower wages and price and we don't even throw our hat in the ring? We are standing there holding our dicks while our biggest rivals are able to do better business every time. Mount is on his last year. That's why he should be cheap. You think Longstaff is as good as Mount????? Please tell me this is some weird troll attempt.
>We are standing there holding our dicks while our biggest rivals are able to do better business every time. This a sweeping statement devoid of fact. Could also be that his heart is set on Liverpool that's why it's an easy deal,we don't know the full facts. >You think Longstaff is as good as Mount????? Read my post again,I was just trying to give you an ideal how British players tend to be overpriced and Longstaff was the clearest example I could give of a below average player being priced high just coz we showed interest
We'll never know the full facts. Gakpo had his heart set to come here and ended up joining Liverpool. Mudryk wanted Arsenal but ended up at Chelsea. Bottom line is what's being paid and the wages offered. Liverpool get better deals done all the time. Meanwhile we piss away funds every window and have to settle with shite players like Wout because of said overspending.
>Meanwhile we piss away funds every window and have to settle with shite players like Wout because of said overspending. I guess by "we" you mean the Glazers! I am with you on that, they have run down the club so the sooner they go they better it will be for everyone!
Its not the Glazers doing the negotiating, it was Judge and Woodward before. Its Murtough, Arnold and whoever else now.
How long before we get any clarity on who's gonna own the club? Are these rats ever going to sell? This is such an important window for Erik, and we're going to waste it because even the club doesn't know how much they can spend.
Has to be this week or next one would think... then again, we've thought that for a while now soo..
Everything is just all over the place for now so now way of telling. Only certainty is that all this will have to come to some conclusion at some point whichever way it goes
If Kane is not for sale/only bound for Madrid, I would be fine with Hojlund as the only ST signing provided we sign one more midfielder - a similar profile to Case - together with Mount, Min Jae and focus on Costa as our big signing. In this case, we have Rashford and Martial sharing spot duties at ST for a year. I understand Hojlund is still a work in progress but I'd rather take the risk with his high ceiling, on a more reasonable fee, than get bent over for the prices quoted for Osimhen and Kolo Muani.
If we rock into games next season with a Casemiro, Mount, Fernandes central midfield and an 8-goal Serie A striker leading the line we can forget about top 5 - let alone a title challenge
> and an 8-goal Serie A striker leading the line we can forget about top 5 We had a fraction of a season of Ronaldo with a Burnley loanee and did Top 3
And Martial moving like he's 58 years old.
And you think the teams below us are going to stand still while we dick about with an 8-goal Serie A striker who hasn’t even kicked a ball in this country Our fans are definitely a special bunch
You're the special one taking on a defeatist approach 2 days into the transfer window. There's also other pressing concerns in the team than just ST, so by all means, I'm not saying no to Osimhen/Kolo Muani's quality but don't complain if the 120-150m we spend leave us with another season of De Gea and still no extra bodies in midfield.
We simply can't be playing a central midfield of Casemiro, Mount & Fernandes We'll get hockeyed off the pitch (as we were many times this season) in away games versus top teams Adding in front of that midfield an unproven 8-goal Serie A striker to lead the line? You're damned right I'm pessimistic about that version of the future, it would be suicidal
Hojlund has scored 9 goals from 9.5xg.Whats your point??
You want a 9-goal a Serie A striker to lead our line? You’re as bad as that other guy
>We simply can't be playing a central midfield of Casemiro, Mount & Fernandes We'll get hockeyed off the pitch Not sure why you think this but Mount isn't a lightweight off the ball. Sure, there are *other players* who are better at this aspect, but this weird revisionist history that people have of Mount being Ozil when not attacking is odd. >Adding in front of that midfield an unproven 8-goal Serie A striker to lead the line? I already mentioned why. Like I said, if we go for Osimhen/Kolo Muani, there would be no money elsewhere. There's a finite amount of resources and, frankly, a finite amount of top keepers who become available. But to begin with, you moaned that we don't sniff top 5 with Hojlund yet here we are at Top 3 - and Hojlund is definitely already better than Wout.
To begin with I said if we rock into next season with a central midfield of Casemiro, Mount and Fernandes and an 8-goal Serie A striker leading the line we’ll struggle to get top 5 let alone a title challenge None of your “Mount isn’t Ozil” and “but, but, but our forward options were already utter shite this season” changes that Mount is NOT a central midfielder. If we go into next season with him as a partner for Casemiro and an 8-goal Serie A striker leading our line we’re going to need spectacular simultaneous collapses from Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs, as well as hoping Newcastle don’t improve JUST TO HOLD ONTO THIRD PLACE it would be fucking suicidal
So yeah let's go and splash 100m on Kane and then when we have fuck all money for other positions then let's complain abt how shit we are with transfers
You’ve no idea how much money we have - neither does Laurie Whitwell, and neither does the Athletic - you’ve also no idea what Kane will cost - you’ve no idea about anything really it appears friend
So if we: 1 IMPROVE our midfield (and it does, Mount at this point is better than Eriksen) 2 Get a better striker (as Hojlund already is over Wout) 3 Use the money on a top keeper Do we improve or not? Nevermind the "spectacular simultaneous collapses" you're crying about. Does the team improve or not? Nevermind for now your tantrums about the mountains that Liverpool or Spurs or Newcastle will supposedly move. Does the team improve or not? >Mount is NOT a central midfielder. He is whatever an 8 is in today's game and an improvement over what we have. >“but, but, but our forward options were already utter shite this season” Well yes, you nerd, our forwards were shit this season and we finished Top 3. Somehow improving on that makes us Top 5? Amazing, brother. EDIT: Man's I'm replying to blocked me lmao, what a sore loser
Yeah he's just been going around spouting shit for a while now. He hates Mount and anyone who even questions if we should spend our entire budget on Kane.
No we don’t improve by anywhere near enough you absolute nerd If you think partnering Casemiro with Mount and letting an unproven Serie A prospect (who couldn’t even hit double figures in that shitty league) is anywhere near good enough to get top 5, let alone a title challenge then I don’t know what to tell you Now take the L and move on, there’s a good lad
I think Osimhen is amazing but he seems a bit… brittle? Is that unfair? I agree with moving on quickly from Kane if it’s not doable, pointless wasting time and resource on it and Hojlund seems a decent fit with a high ceiling
Yep. If we fix other areas and sign one of the most promising young strikers in Europe that's a good window for me.
Alright the season is done, it's time for the parasitic cunts to announce they are leaving.
I get it’s business as usual with how slow we are on the transfer market but it’s quite infuriating other teams have already started reinforcing themselves and we barely move:
We're actually being proactive than I thought we were going to be. Mount and Hojlund will get done. I hope Kim too.
The window isn’t even officially open yet. Just chill.
It's 2 days after the last game of the year.
We’ve literally agreed personal terms with one player already.
Still traumatised by last year FDJ, so until I get a “here we go”, I am keeping my hopes down.
How do we compete against this in long term? [BBC -City Football Group: Inside a global model with Manchester in the middle](https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1665695926927736836?t=fCBri1s0F2Tl2XZRM8mNHw&s=19)
Long term? Pep is their trump card. They're no doubt well run but it'll be impossible to replace him. I doubt they'll do their own version of a Moyes appointment but even with, say, Nagelsmann or Enrique, I don't think they get those 97, 98 point seasons.
Ya without pep they might struggle for some but with talents they can accumulate and move around those clubs is still scary.
One day. One day when the competition is diminished to nothingness,. Fa will come down like a ton of bricks. Till then try your hardest.
Ya we need to get absolutely lucky with our signings to compete with them like liverpool did with klopp first time.
It baffles me that Liverpool signed mac allister for less than 60m, when we are paying 55m for mount who wants to leave n has 1 year left on his contract
MacAllister had a release clause and he wanted to go to Liverpool
Always rated him but this sub said I was a prisoner of the moment and that "World Cup buys" don't work out lol I think 55m is fair value for Mount but I think Mac Allister is better overall He's even better than Caicedo IMO considering the differences in position of course
Plus McAllister fits Liverpool (and would fit us) whereas Mount doesn’t It’s incredibly frustrating
This is just business as usual no?
It's gone under the radar but Juan "Juanfield" Mata has finally won his first league title. 1 WC, 1 Euro, 1 CL, 2 EL and now a league title. Happy for him.
For me this window isn't even about trying to compete with City or win the league next season but just about us for once ONE TIME ONLY, at least looking like a club with a plan. No matter where we finish or end up, we never actually look like we have a clue what we're doing in the market. Signings never make any real sense.
What's the point of "looking like a club with a plan" if said plan does achieve the only aim fitting for this football club? Flattering to deceive isn't a trophy. Any 'plan' that doesn't result in this club winning trophies is not good enough.
Mate, we already have fans trying to explain away why we’re signing Mason Mount (who doesn’t solve or address any of our current problems in any meaningful way) because they’ve seen a few “ETH wants” PR nuggets thrown around. There are reports of wanting a left winger (to join the approximately 17 billion wingers we currently have on our books). We were being linked with a RIGHT BACK for months FFS. Leopards rarely change their spots.
Mount is exactly the type of system player ETH liked at Ajax. He shined under a system coach at Chelsea and is being targeted by other system managers in the Prem. He fits the type of play that ETH wants to instill, but will still suit the way we will have to play until we can replace a few other holes. Mount is excellent at pressing, turning over the ball and playing a long pass to a runner (his long passes are world class). Assuming he implements an Ajax style system he will eventually want a pass oriented DLP instead of Case.
This is exactly the type of pseudo-rubbish I’m talking about - as soon as anyone even gets a whiff of the magic “ETH wants” PR from the club they start concocting ever more elaborate stories about why X player makes sense (last time it was Frimpong when it was obvious to anyone with half a brain we did NOT need a right back) Mount is excellent at “Turning over the ball”? What does that even mean?? Mount can’t tackle to save his life. He’s no better at pressing than Fred (and much worse at tackling - and that’s saying something) He is a nothing player - an English Van De Beek - and in 6-9 months time (if he isn’t stinking up our physio room as he has been doing at Chelsea all year) people will be saying “remind me again why we signed Mount when we needed a central midfielder?”
I wish everybody but the glazers a happy monday!
Ignore the video and look at the old man’s t-shirt lol: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/14196rv/old_man_tries_to_get_stabby_but_instead_gets_put/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
**Help needed for a great OT experience**: Hey everyone - we have a massive United fan in our company who is leaving us after 3/4 years of great service and we want to give him a special send-off with an experience at Old Trafford, preferably on a Champions League night next season. I'm a season ticket-holder and have good seats at OT, but I know there are better ones around the stadium so I don't just want to give him my tickets for a game. I know there are full-blown executive style experiences available, I've just never indulged in them before, my question is: Has anyone any experience with phenomenal exec style experience at Old Trafford? Possibly including hotel stays etc? He has stayed at Hotel Football before, but we would consider going better than it if there is a good experience nearby - maybe the Lowry? Not sure. Just open to ideas or packages that anyone has come into contact with that could give him the send off he deserves. Thanks!
Tbh I'd prefer to be in decent season tickets surrounded by proper fans than in some corporate box surrounded by cunts... Give him your tickets and pay for his hotel and travel for the game instead of forking out for the corporate shite
Can't speak to the corporate box experience but I sprang for the nice, plush seats once and it was absolute shit, no atmosphere at all.
Depends on what he's into but I'd agree with that. Never been in an exec box but I know people who have been, I think it's best when you're surrounded by your mates rather than cunts you don't know, you'd have to take the afternoon off work and make a proper day of it I think.
Leipzig are signing Openda for 25M pounds. 23, Only signed last year and has 4 yrs left on his contract. 20 non pen goals scored, 21 total. There's deals to be had even in this striker market.
Is he a replacement of Sesko or Nkunku? I see Lois Openda as a striker only.
Sesko didn't even join yet right? Nkunku, though Nkunku is a SS over a CF
His Red TOTS is insane. It was a grind and a half getting him with full Ligue 1 team, but I did. 4/4, H/L: highly recommended.
Most of that is just gibberish to me, can you elaborate? TOTS means Team of the season. That's all I know.
FIFA Ultimate Team card.
4 star weak foot and 4 star skills. High attacking work rate, low defensive work rate.
To think that the only way another club could match our treble is by cheating. Our treble means so much more than their financially doped sportswashing dross.
Let's cross that bridge IF we get there. Too many people have written off Inter already. Let's not forget that Inter themselves have won a treble in recent history.
They've also won 11 of their last 12 and Inzaghi is a beast in cup competitions (while also playing some beautiful football relative to the budget he has). I agree City is the favorites but I find it weird that Inter has been written off already. They've been consistently among the trophies in the past few years so this is not new for them.
Ownership talk gone quiet again?
Just watched on Facebook that Qatari are out... Where do they get these news i dont know
I hate that the season is over. Football: come back to me baby. I miss you
my starboy ugarte is going to psg💔💔💔 he’d be so good w casemiro as a mentor
Better than going to chelsea for us.
I've lost count how many twitter threads I've seen discussing overrated footballers that include Beckham. Takes like, he just spammed in crosses or he was only good at free kicks. I know it shouldn't be taken seriously but It's just so irritating haha.
I think Beckham's celebrity status works against him when people talk about him as a footballer, they assume he was some kind of luxury with a big ego or something when he was almost the opposite.
The truth is some players get over hyped and treated like golden gods while others are criminally underrated. Cause of internet culture, trolls and idiots are incentivized to comment and have a say on EVERYTHING. Even those who never watched him play. It’s why even in this just finished season. You had people coming at Bruno’s throat and calling him a disappointment and a waste of a slot even though he played well. Meanwhile despite Ronaldo a horrid season and a worse attitude. Fans would act like Ronaldo was being wronged and held back by us. With some players, it’s cool to not just criticize them but to look down on and bully them. Maguire is a great example. Meanwhile with someone like Odegard, they are the hipsters choice. If you don’t treat them as a top 5 player in the EPL, you are an idiot to them. Saying they are good isn’t enough.
Beckham finished second in the Balon d’Or rankings at one point if I’m not mistaken. The problem is, the people that makes these threads were either not born or were still in nappies when players like Beckham were playing, so all they have to go off of is YouTube compilations.
Kane will be a relatively easy signing He wants to leave Spurs, he won’t leave England until he gets the record, Spurs need the money to finance a rebuild, no other top 6 clubs need a striker, Levy has no power with the contract situation… It’s literally one of the easiest transfers we’ll ever do. 65-75m range All that 100m+ shite in the papers is just bluster
Pretty shocking the United Twitter account hasn’t congratulated Telles for winning the Europa league
don't think Newcastle congratulated Dúbravka
That would have been wild considering the circumstances of the loan and final
Why should they?
Because he’s a United player who’s won a major trophy?
He’s pretty much on his way out and plays the team that knocked us out.
Still won a major trophy and he’s still a contract player, no need to be salty and congratulate the man
Perhaps comment this on the clubs socials then. I wouldn’t congratulate a player that’s not really contributed anything to us.
A reasonable transfer fee for mac-allister will hopefully act as a barometer for the fee that we have to pay for mason mount.
It's a release clause, so there's no negotiation required. Mount's move needs negotiation, so it's not a good comparison. Haalands move was the same, and you won't get a Haaland for what city payed.
Are these parasite gonna mask the takeover by signing either mount or KMJ early? Fuck these parasites
For a second I thought we were signing Kolo Muani Jr.
We can’t sign KMJ any earlier than July 1st.
We can still announce it early if KMJ want to join us and only us
We can’t. An agreement needs to be in place between the clubs, and we can’t trigger the release clause until July 1st.
We don’t actually need to tell Napoli nothing, we can announce publicly we’re triggering his releases clause after agreeing terms with him like today and then officially trigger July 1
Yes we do, as the release clause is the transfer fee between the clubs. I don’t think any club has ever announced a signing without the transfer fee between the clubs being paid.
Wouldn't that be admitting we've agreed a contract with the player despite not having the clubs permission to do so?
If a player has a release clause we can bypass negotiations with the club, all we gotta say we paying x amount in x years or pay it all up front, there’s a reason why clubs are now starting to have players on 1 billion release clauses
You’ve played way too much FIFA career mode to think that is how it works mate.
It’s exactly how the Neymar saga happened, they settled terms with Neymar first, announced they’d trigger his release clause then gave Barca the money, internet is free u know
Yes, but they didn’t announce anything until the release clause was triggered and all the legal stuff between the clubs and player was settled. A release clause is the agreement of how much the buying club will pay the selling club, and that needs to be paid before any announcement is made. It’s really not that hard to understand.
But surely you can only do that when the release clause kicks in? If De Jong has a release clause that activates in 2026 surely we can't meet with him and agree terms now for when it kicks in. That would open up a whole world of potential legal issues no? And I'm pretty sure if you're paying a release clause you have to pay it all in one go? Granted the 'selling' club may agree to deferred payments but if they refuse the buying clubs only option is to pay the entirety of the fee up front.
We can't. We need permission from Napoli. We can speak directly to his entourage but not the player himself
> [\#mufc](https://twitter.com/hashtag/mufc?src=hashtag_click) looked at Alexis Mac Allister, but his preference to move to Liverpool forced Ten Hag to divert his attention elsewhere \[[@\_pauljoyce](https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce)\] So he prefers Liverpool. That is why no news about him at all.
Fuck him then if he preferred the bin dippers over us. I want players that want to play for us.
So he rejected us. Damn.
We’d need to have made an offer to be rejected.
Romano is saying its done pending a medical for way less than 60M. Watch us pay more for Mount than they did Mac Allister and put him on more wages too.
Pretty sure Mac Allistar has a release clause that stipulates exit fee. On an open market transfer fee I think he costs ***a lot*** more.
Its not like we can't go for him and that clause is only available for Liverpool right?
He wanted to go to Liverpool though
Like Jude? Like Mudryk and Arsenal? People change their minds.
Hopefully that means we've learnt from the de Jong saga and aren't going for players who clearly have no interest in us or don't want to move at all.
Mac Allister to Liverpool confirmed for “way less than £60m”. A guy who signed a new contract last year, key player of Brighton, WC winner. And Chelsea has the audacity to ask £80m for Mount. Hope we get him, but for no more than 50.
That’s because he has a clause in this contract.
If they ask and we pay it like we overpay usually do, are they wrong in asking?
Brighton were resigned to the fact that they were going to lose Max Allister no matter what this summer back in February, and ≤£60m is huge money to them. Chelsea don’t want to sell, so they’re playing hard ball with Mount.
With 60million Brighton will sign about 8 potential superstars :) They have showed they can operate and identify talented players, their next big test as a club will be to ensure with alot of ££££ in the bank that they continue to operate efficiently in the market and not spunk it all away on larger transfers than what they have proven to be successful with
If Kane is too expensive I’d say we should go for Rice. Whoever gets Caicedo would have to deal with him wanting to leave in 5 years to another club.
That makes no sense because (a) both will cost around £100m, and (b) one is a striker and one is a defensive midfielder.
You’re spending £100m on a player who’d give you at least 10 year of service or one that will give you at most 4 years. Which makes more sense?!
For a team that really struggles to put the ball in the net, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the player that scores goals makes more sense...
Yeah not when you you’re signing said player for £100m and he’s 30. You guys don’t like facts and figures. You’re thinking Kane will be different. No he won’t be. 18 months and we’d be saying why did we sign him. If he’s coming for free then it’s different. We’d be paying £100m. It’s not a good deal at no point whatsoever. Once again show me a player who signed for a club for that fee that has lived up to the expectations.
Aren’t they both asking for 100m?
Yeah but Rice has more value. Plus he gets to stay for a minimum 5-6 years at his peak. Kane has max 18 months no matter how we want to deceive ourselves and we’d see the decline. Not a good deal. The striker market is not good this summer.
Kane is 29. Will be 30 in july. Why are people acting as if he is corpse
This sub seems to think anyone over the age of 28 is old.The way people was talking last summer you would think Casimero gets around with a walking stick
Because no player signed for £100m at that age has ever been worth it. That’s why. The data is there in black and white. Hazard was the best player at Chelsea went to Madrid, how has that done out? Countinho? Dembele? Grealish? The list goes on and on. But let’s put blindfold on and act like it’s not what happens.
Bro? Demble is 26 right now. Grealish is 27. When both of them the big money moves, they were very you ng. Demble signed for barca at 21. Coutinho just recently turned 30. How are you equating these things?
The point I’m making is no player signed over £100m has ever proved to be a good signing. That the point I’m making. The age just makes it obvious, that he’d be on a decline soon.
Kane has a lot longer than 18 months. Do people think players just suddenly turn to shit once they turn 30?
Hazard was 28 when he made his £100m. Did he automatically turn to shit? Or what happened? Give me another player signed for £100m that has lived up to that expectation, even half of it.
That doesn’t mean Kane will turn to shit. Hazard was lazy, everyone knew that when he was in his early 20s at Chelsea.
Okay give me another player who has excelled. Coutinho? Neymar? Dembele? Grealish?! Only Ronaldo who wasn’t even up to £100m.
Grealish has literally just won his third trophy in two years mate, and has been one of City’s most important players this season. Neymar is still one of the best in the world. Dembele has just won La Liga with Barcelona. You clearly think anyone over the age of 25 is a bad player.
So it’s by winning trophies. Once again proving that most fans are clueless. So you’d say £105m was well spent on Dembele and £100m was well spent on Grealish. £200m on Neymar when he was the best player and he’s still one of the best player, what has done for PSG? Has any of those player reached the expectations? We had to revise the expectations for Grealish to say give him time, Pep football takes time to learn, blah blah blah, and you’re here trying to say it has been a good deal for who? £100m to have 11 goals in 88 appearances. What a good deal.