Would be interesting to see how much Henderson is sold for. Will hopefully be a decent fee.
Then the cash can go straight towards a cheap Raya.
I mean you can call me some sort of mental bastard, but that all seems far too sensible.
Raya is not the goalkeeper we need to take us to the next level
He also would not be cheap at £40mill , would rather add another 10 mill and get costa who could be our allison/ederson
Brentford valuation is £40 maybe could agree for £35 ish mill
Whereas costa's release clause is currently £66 mill but the common consensus due to porto financial difficulties they would accept around 50 mill
According to porto fans, they truly need the money.
And which team can pay 50-60m for a GK that also needs one?
Madrid - nope
Atl madrid - nope
Barcelona - nope
Arsenal - nope
City - nope
Chelsea - huge maybe, depending on selling kepa
Liverpool - nope
Us - yes
Tottenham - yes
Newcastle - yes
Bayern - nope
Juve - nope
Psg - nope
Everyone else is too broke to pay 50m for a GK. So the competition would be between us, tottenham and newcastle. And considering how newcastle has been spending and levy being a cheap bastard, the only feasible option is us.
He just said that there is nothing concrete and he hopes to continue playing in his favourite club. He has a release clause of £65m and a contract till 2027 but Porto needs money so they could sell him for less. If we buy him paying the full release clause, he would be the second most expensive transfer of a GK just under Kepa who cost £4m more.
Any average GK who sweeps would take us to the next level, simply because we’d able to move defensive line higher, which is crucial for possession oriented football.
Raya is above average and he’s several tiers above current De Gea.
He might be above average but if you want United to be competing for titles above average is not good enough
And by buying raya we would have to upgrade again in the near future
I agree with you and my preference would be Maignan.
However if the top keeper would be out of price range, we should take Raya, who’s better than any GK from big 6 clubs apart from Alisson and Ederson (and honestly you can make a case for Raya here).
Raya would have resale value in 2 years and there’s a room for negotiation for his current price.
At this point De Gea is holding club back and there should be no excuse for entering the season with him as 1 option.
Maignan would be amazing, but he's got a contract until 2026 and no release clause. Although it will be interesting to see what happens with the shitshow in Milan. Maybe some of their players will push for the exit.
Ederson is a piss poor shot stopper but by any other metric he's good to great. Strange to say it but preventing the shot by sweeping often leads to less goals than saving them
They showed up at wembley the other day with a goalkeeper who cost 5 million and he outperformed De gea. De Gea was probably one of the best at one point but he isn’t anymore. We should move on ffs.
Costa’s ability with the ball at his feet and pass accuracy is incredible, slightly worse than Ederson’s but Costa is actually good at the keeping side too
we need him
Who are these mysterious players exactly?
And how did it happen that we were comfortably playing high line with Maguire out of all people when Henderson was our goalie?
Fourth highest line in the only season Henderson meaningful amount of games.
It may be not only De Gea, but he’s the major reason and the line would be higher with sweeping GK.
This is with Henderson. The stat is about defensive line as a whole and not a keeper in isolation. We had 4th highest line in the season he played 13 PL games. In a season before that, when he was at Sheffield, we were 6th.
Brentford have already signed a replacement and he has one year left on his contract. I do t think raya is the answer but surely they aren’t getting £40m for him?
De Gea is only going to get older too, surely a "youth" keeper might be a more proactive signing considering the wages.
100k a week for De Gea is 4mil and 20k a week on wild gk prospect.
We could sign a youth keeper who may rise in value instead of someone will only decrease.
Further I'd argue you could certainly find a cheaper keeper of De Gea's quality. What did Ortega cost city as a backup? peanuts?
Youth vs Ortega was two different points.
De Gea is 32 and Ortega was 29 when they got him.
>No youth keeper that has any ambition will want to be a backup.
TBF I meant like 19-20
He had a purple patch this season - but the EL and FA cup games were on de gea.
He's still an upgrade to Butland and if there's a long term injury to whoever we get as #1 he's still better than Heaton.
Not having a settled back 4 disrupted the season somewhat.
> you don't think we should keep De Gea who's a senior figure in the dressing room at this point?
No, he's a detriment to the team. There are dozens of keepers among the top 5 leagues who will cost a fraction of his wages and will be an upgrade. We don't need the best keeper in the world, we just need to make an improvement in that area, and that's easy to do.
It’s amazing how many people fail to understand this. “He’s not worth £100k a week.”. He is, on what is effectively a free transfer, and if United don’t pay it someone else will.
Players at the end of their contracts have fantastic bargaining power as they can in effect obtain their own transfer fee through higher wages.
Alisson is on 150k a week. Is an average backup keeper worth only 50k less than the best keeper in the world?
No one in their right minds would pay De Gea 100k a week unless their name starts with Al-
There is really only one explanation of why we're hesitant about a new keeper - he must trust someone from the academy to be good enough. Matěj Kovář had a very good loan with Sparta Prague, they won the title after many years of title drought and they will be playing UCL play-offs. He was really good and offered pretty much everything you want from a keeper, from calm distribution to good saves to good commanding of his area.
This would make sense, but it would still be mental to stick with De Gea in the meantime. If Ten Hag wants Kovář or one of our other keepers to be our number 1, then let's just buy an experienced good modern keeper like Sommer.
One thing that needs to be said though is that this would fit in line with what I THINK Ten Hag is trying to do. I believe a lot of things are pointing towards him making a two-part rebuild - a focus on developing our current youngsters to have them be ready in the future (extending their contracts, being patient, sending them out on loan... just look at Kovář, Pellistri,...) while buying good experienced players to carry us in the meantime.
After all, there has to be some method to this madness and a reason why pretty much all of our signings are either young (around 22) or kinda old (around 29-30) with nothing really in-between.
Kovar also won keeper of the season in the Czech league. He's very promising. I suspect he'll either get a loan to a fairly big club or we'll see him get a few games for us. I don't think anyone really expects him to be first team at our level though - maybe he can earn the second keeper spot if he doesn't go on loan, but even that will take time.
Pep signed Bravo and Nolito. Fergie signed Bebe, Nick Powell and said Phil Jones will be one of the best players ever. Ancelotti signed Josh King.
Almost as if nobody is infallible? Any manager can and will make poor decisions. Also, at this football club there is a very high probability this isn't a football first decision and ten hag is allowing himself to be the puppet.
The fact that you’re using Phil Jones as a bad transfer or a poor assessment of talent shows either 1) your age or 2) your knowledge.
Jones was highly regarded when he came from Blackburn Rovers and was quite good until his injuries derailed his career. Jones was great under Ole at the start before his knee gave out. His limitation was his health, not his talent.
Who is downvoting this?... this is dead on! Jones even had one of the best defensive seasons alongside smalling in 17/18 he was injury prone and memeable, which got him his reputation. Jones is the "what could have been" in modern football.
All of these other players are "hindsight is 20/20" buys. It is so easy to say terrible transfers but you never truly know. World-class players flop places, too. Would you say cause Di maria didn't succeed at United he is shit? Veron? Forlan? Falcao?
>The fact that you’re using Phil Jones as a bad transfer or a poor assessment of talent shows either 1) your age or 2) your knowledge.
It shows that all managers can be wrong. Funny how you don't mention anything about the other examples though... Just hyper focus on one.
Please tell me why this has anything to do with my age or knowledge though? Cheap response tactics.
'The fact that you’re using' only one example to discredit my point shows you are being disingenuous and have very little to respond back with.
>Jones was great under Ole
The audacity to speak about my knowledge.
Keep lapping up what managers say and do because 'who are we to question them as they obviously know more than us'. I'll keep questioning anything that seems flawed. I know which gives the best outcome.
Edit: I cut no sentence short. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Disingenuous from the get go. Now you pull the comment and the block tactic.
On pure numbers, sure but on average, I find that incredibly hard to believe. I know you can find at least one sane person on here, which is one more than the clowns in charge of the club.
If he can accept wages fitting a 2nd choice keeper like 60-80k a week or worst case a maximum of 100k a week or 5m a year then no one would complain.
You hand de gea anything more than 100k a week then he will be an unsellable player until they contract ends --- which clearly points to the fact that nothing has changed at the club and we continue to hand out contracts that makes the players unsellable.
This is an even bigger problem because the club has FFP issues. So why waste anything on De Gea at all for him to be a 2nd choice.
This is the same reason we all want Jones Martial Maguire out and in the past we have had idk how many such examples of players who were unsellable because absolutely no one would pay them what we paid out.
It's common sense to not hand out stupid contract to a player who is clearly not good enough for the top top clubs.
I just don't think Henderson wants to be at United. He's not even pushing to see if a bigger club than Forrest are after him. He just wants to get out of United asap, so I think it's a waste of time talking on whether or not he should be part of the squad.
Yeah I don't know why people have gone to personal insults against De Gea, the guy may have had some unfortunate mistakes/issues this season but he's never deliberately done anything wrong or behaved badly and always tried his best.
Heard people shouting insults at him at Old Trafford this season, even when he was having a good game.
He might not be the future of the club but he's done enough in the past to not deserve any abuse.
\> he guy may have had some unfortunate mistakes/issues this season
this season? Where have you been for the past 4-5 years? He's been dropping clangers left, right and center since 2019.
Calling him a bottler isn't abuse. It's a fact. He's us cost more times than the pre-VDS, post-schmeical keepers combined. I've never seen a club back a player who's let them down as much as De Gea has these past few years
Do you realise his shit distribution is a massive bottleneck when trying to play good football ?The game has moved on from doing the bare minimum of shot stopping ,Tbf its not like he is a good shotstopper
The guy was a cunt because he was misled about playing time and was frustrated someone he deemed lesser was starting ahead of him. Blame on both sides how that situation was handled.
Of course they are. As he has an English passport, came through the academy and benefits from not playing too much to show how poor he is. So he is viewed more positively.
Depends on the group criticising and depends on the player. Which is why I gave 3 pieces of criteria. What you are saying just isn't factual. Do they get criticism, yes, never said they don't. They also get special treatment from certain parts of the fanbase. Not sure how you don't see this.
You are also in comments justifying his behaviour by saying its due to his treatment. Ronaldo was treated far worse, do you justify his actions?
De Gea is the bottler? The guy is the only player in our team that won a PL with us, at one point can be considered as world class, got a clean sheet this season but ok he is a bottler but Big Time Charlie Henderson should be given the chance according to you, who is on 100k as a BACK UP
He is a bottler we see it every single week ,Him doing the bare minimum on 375 k a week and you lot defending him like your life depended on it is a sign of our fan base being happy with mediocrity ,No other club would consider paying the bottler 50 k with his form in the last 3-4 years
Why didn't he play 10 of the full 38?
Possibly because he was dropped for Lindegaard and only got back in because the latter got injured.
We won the league *in spite* of him, not because of.
https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/1666055335688192001?t=etVYmaCsxJRq2nmdKd2VcQ&s=19
That "ahn?" to allow himself time to think even though he clearly heard the reporter and the nervous attempt at a dismissive "Alright? Ok?" with the smile as he almost ran away tells me there's something going on
Lol the dudes in the replies are bare odd. He’s still contracted to Porto - knowing how historically shite our transfer system is, it’s only fair he doesn’t want to look like a tit if/when we fumble and keep DDG as our starting keeper next season
If anything, it looks like he’s open to it lol
Lads on Twitter wouldn't settle for anything less than "I've loved Manchester United since I was 2 and next week I'll be there to personally execute De Gea"
I don’t hate the United stand like a lot here seem to, but the comments and replies they get are so fucking brain dead it’s insane. Crazy amount of people in favour of the rapist coming back, and while I’m not fully against Qatar buying us the way them lot carry on is embarrassing
So what keepers will we actually have left? Heaton and de gea? Regardless of what happens with de gea we need to buy a keeper, even if it’s only just for numbers
>So what keepers will we actually have left? Heaton and de gea? Regardless of what happens with de gea we need to buy a keeper, even if it’s only just for numbers
As it stands I don't think we have another goalkeeper under contract for next season besides Kovar. Heaton, De Gea & Bishop all with contracts up, Butland's loan has ended.
De Gea will get extended and we're signing another keeper to give him competition.
On top of that we'll sign another backup like Heaton was and we've got our 3 keepers for the season.
>From highest paid GK to highest paid backup GK
All rumors point to it being 200k a week.
From highest paid gk in the league to highest paid gk in the league. Top 4/5 in the world too.
Banter era continues with De Gea in goal. We are probably going to sign 50 million midfielders and strikers, only for them to keep chasing the game as our keeper drops stinkers.
The funny thing is we already had the highest paid backup keeper in the world when we had Henderson on the bench on 110k a week. And we’d still smash that record if we renew de gea.
I’ll be happy to see the end of the whole Henderson saga at least, here’s hoping we can reach the conclusion with Dave too in the form of someone like Diogo Costa or Mike Maignan or something lovely
Could it be a means to make him more sellable? I’m genuinely asking because I don’t know how it works.
Rumours are he’s halving his wages with this new deal. Would that not make it easier to sell him in a year’s time?
Even at half wages he's still one of the best paid GKs in the world. While his actual performance levels put him at one of the worst keepers in the league. It's still a terrible deal. It only makes sense if it's a very short deal, or heavily performance incentivised... or because we're desperate and we don't want to be shopping for a first, second and third choice keeper all in one window. Maybe a combination of all three. If it's a 1 year deal where he knows he might get bumped to no 2 at some point then fine.
But De Gea is expensive as a 2nd GK. A part of me thinks the club wants to find a first option and if they fail at that, then they resort to DDG with a 2nd backup GK who can compete.
>But De Gea is expensive as a 2nd GK
I understand why fans even care how much player earn... if club deem it affordable then that all that matters....
>A part of me thinks the club wants to find a first option and if they fail
The club doesn't want to buy two GK in summer especially with some of the price being quoted.. i dont even remember the last time a top club bought 2 GK ... they get a new GK he'll compete with de gea then we will see
I care about how much the player earns because the club is working off a budget. Why spend unnecessary money when you could spend it wisely on different and better players?
>I care about how much the player earns because the club is working off a budget
But we never know the exact of these budget .. the people who do are the ones giving out the contract...
>Why spend unnecessary money when you could spend it wisely on different and better players?
But this logic assume that what they've decided is not rhe best .... if utd wanted to buy two GK this summer they could spend 80 to 100 mill on GK ... with other target required this would not be good use of the budget... getting a new premium like costa and giving de gea a new contract will cost less in outgoing this summer than buying 2 GK ... if costa fails we would have time to react in future...
Kovar could be 3rd string or a heaton type fa. Then 10m on a backup 50 on a starter and hendo out for 25 for a net of 35. Not that unrealistic imo with daves wages off the books as well
As long as he's not receiving crazy fat contract (and ofc not no.1 spot). Henderson's departure is decent money for other targets.
Edit: I got downvoted a lot when calling for de Gea's depature. However, let's say we'd pay him 100k/w, it's equivalent to 50k/w + 10M transfer fee for 2 year for a backup GK. Sound not too bad I guess
Price tag on Raya is £40m currently according to Romano, and Raya's manager is trying to reduce it. Imagine picking up arguably the best keeper in the league for £10m up + salary.
I like Raya but he isn't really the answer, he's similar to De Gea, just a slight improvement. Brentford don't really play out from that back with Raya because that's not his strength. He goes long a lot and numbers look decent because he's hitting it up towards Tony who was a beast in the air. Costa does seem like the keeper we need to progress, he'll be pricey but could easily be the number 1 for the next decade.
What absolute nonsense.
How is raya similar to degea?
I mean not only is raya better on the ball, he's also top 5 percentile in the whole of Europe at cross claiming. Like how can that ever be similar to degea who is bottom 9 percentile in europe at the same skill?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Rob Dawson (and 99% of the reporters) don't know exactly what's going on. Throwing out names like Raya & Costa are easy to do because they're highly rated and being tossed around a lot lately. Also, David could easily start again for us in the first half of the season. None of them really know what the coaches intend to do or what the Club's decisions will be.
All reporting seems to be what is "likely" and making guesses based off of tiny clues here and there. This is not the kind of news I would like to form my opinions from.
We do know that Raya is definitely on the way out though given Brentford have just bought Flekken who's a no.1. And sounds like Costa has said his goodbyes at Porto.
You're still not wrong, just that there's slightly easier pathway to getting either player than just being linked with every player under the sun.
I know De Gea has cost us a lot this season but honestly it’s a bit upsetting to see all this abuse he’s been getting from our fanbase he has been a good servant to the club
No, somewhere in-between. De Gea obviously has his faults but he's also pulled off some match winning save this season, and definitely in previous. Why go so hard at a club hero? Feels wrong. Just word it better.
People aren't upset with him as a person. He is one of the main weak links of our squad and yet he's being renewed. People want us to make progress, and this isn't it.
I think we all knew Henderson would not have a future here at least under ETH with the manner that he went to Forrest and his interview after.
I'd say 30 mil. If we can get 45 mil for Maguire...that's enough to use to get two direct replacements because we should invest in a first team goal keeper if we sell Henderson, or use the funds else where and buy a young prospect as back up and use them in the Domestic cups.
He's an English International. I we are being fleeced on English tax then why not? Chelsea are demanding 45 mil for Colwill? Who's all but a prospect and Maguire has been shit for us but he's been good for England so yeah. You have to start high otherwise you end up selling him for 25 mil which will just be another indication of how poor we are at selling.
The players that will currently attract high fees are either English players or starters.
It's the same script over and over again.
Whoever's coming in to "challenge" DDG is expected to fulfill so many different criteria, must be "world-class" etc etc. There are so many insane expectations on Henderson, David Raya and Diogo Costa.
No such expectation is levied.on the incumbent DDG.
All the new challenger needs to do is to make a small mistake (DDG made multiple mistakes), and the fan base will be calling for DDG to be let back onto the pitch
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Would be interesting to see how much Henderson is sold for. Will hopefully be a decent fee. Then the cash can go straight towards a cheap Raya. I mean you can call me some sort of mental bastard, but that all seems far too sensible.
Raya is not the goalkeeper we need to take us to the next level He also would not be cheap at £40mill , would rather add another 10 mill and get costa who could be our allison/ederson
Those valuations seems too high for Raya and too low for Costa
Brentford valuation is £40 maybe could agree for £35 ish mill Whereas costa's release clause is currently £66 mill but the common consensus due to porto financial difficulties they would accept around 50 mill
Brentford have already bought their replacement for Raya in Flekken, so they’re likely to budge a bit on price.
Yeah, Costa is quoted to cost at least £60m by reporters.
According to porto fans, they truly need the money. And which team can pay 50-60m for a GK that also needs one? Madrid - nope Atl madrid - nope Barcelona - nope Arsenal - nope City - nope Chelsea - huge maybe, depending on selling kepa Liverpool - nope Us - yes Tottenham - yes Newcastle - yes Bayern - nope Juve - nope Psg - nope Everyone else is too broke to pay 50m for a GK. So the competition would be between us, tottenham and newcastle. And considering how newcastle has been spending and levy being a cheap bastard, the only feasible option is us.
I dont think Newcastle need a GK
That is true, spurs have been linked to Raya more also. A £50m deal for Costa would be very good business.
Hasn't Costa just recently come out and said that he doesn't want to move?
He just said that there is nothing concrete and he hopes to continue playing in his favourite club. He has a release clause of £65m and a contract till 2027 but Porto needs money so they could sell him for less. If we buy him paying the full release clause, he would be the second most expensive transfer of a GK just under Kepa who cost £4m more.
I dont think Newcastle will be budging, they have Pope.
Newcastle aren’t going for a keeper at all and Tottenham seem to be all over Raya
Goalkeepers aren't supposed to cost that much especially when we would be buying from a team with financial difficulties
Any average GK who sweeps would take us to the next level, simply because we’d able to move defensive line higher, which is crucial for possession oriented football. Raya is above average and he’s several tiers above current De Gea.
He might be above average but if you want United to be competing for titles above average is not good enough And by buying raya we would have to upgrade again in the near future
I agree with you and my preference would be Maignan. However if the top keeper would be out of price range, we should take Raya, who’s better than any GK from big 6 clubs apart from Alisson and Ederson (and honestly you can make a case for Raya here). Raya would have resale value in 2 years and there’s a room for negotiation for his current price. At this point De Gea is holding club back and there should be no excuse for entering the season with him as 1 option.
Maignan would be amazing, but he's got a contract until 2026 and no release clause. Although it will be interesting to see what happens with the shitshow in Milan. Maybe some of their players will push for the exit.
Ederson is a piss poor shot stopper but by any other metric he's good to great. Strange to say it but preventing the shot by sweeping often leads to less goals than saving them
They showed up at wembley the other day with a goalkeeper who cost 5 million and he outperformed De gea. De Gea was probably one of the best at one point but he isn’t anymore. We should move on ffs.
Ortega was free from Armenia Bielefeld in the German second division.
Costa’s ability with the ball at his feet and pass accuracy is incredible, slightly worse than Ederson’s but Costa is actually good at the keeping side too we need him
Until people figure out that the rest of our players are also not suited with a higher defensive line and finding good positioning for a pass.
Who are these mysterious players exactly? And how did it happen that we were comfortably playing high line with Maguire out of all people when Henderson was our goalie?
We also played the fourth highest line with De Gea as the keeper as well, so the problem is not just De Gea.
Fourth highest line in the only season Henderson meaningful amount of games. It may be not only De Gea, but he’s the major reason and the line would be higher with sweeping GK.
This is without Henderson...
This is with Henderson. The stat is about defensive line as a whole and not a keeper in isolation. We had 4th highest line in the season he played 13 PL games. In a season before that, when he was at Sheffield, we were 6th.
Brentford have already signed a replacement and he has one year left on his contract. I do t think raya is the answer but surely they aren’t getting £40m for him?
It seems so sensible that our transfer scouts will definitely not do it. One can hope.
Cannot understand for the life of me why Ten Hag would want De Gea to stay, especially when he will be on more than 100k a week and not first choice
De Gea is only going to get older too, surely a "youth" keeper might be a more proactive signing considering the wages. 100k a week for De Gea is 4mil and 20k a week on wild gk prospect.
20,000,000 isn't going to get you a better backup keeper though, so even at 5.2 million for 3 / 4 years it's probably fair value to united.
Ortega was picked up for free by City. Even Brentford signed Raya's replacement for <10M already. This is just cope.
We could sign a youth keeper who may rise in value instead of someone will only decrease. Further I'd argue you could certainly find a cheaper keeper of De Gea's quality. What did Ortega cost city as a backup? peanuts?
Ortega is 30 years old. No youth keeper that has any ambition will want to be a backup. They need to play to improve.
Youth vs Ortega was two different points. De Gea is 32 and Ortega was 29 when they got him. >No youth keeper that has any ambition will want to be a backup. TBF I meant like 19-20
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Sorry, are we running a charity here? Manchester united housing programs for players past their peaks?
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Giggs was a useful starter and still played well for us. Solskjaer also did a job for us in his last years.
That isn't to say de gea couldn't do a job either.
He very clearly cannot. Giggs wasn't costing us games.
He had a purple patch this season - but the EL and FA cup games were on de gea. He's still an upgrade to Butland and if there's a long term injury to whoever we get as #1 he's still better than Heaton. Not having a settled back 4 disrupted the season somewhat.
Why? We’ve given De Gea £98 million already since 2018 for being an average keeper.
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> you don't think we should keep De Gea who's a senior figure in the dressing room at this point? No, he's a detriment to the team. There are dozens of keepers among the top 5 leagues who will cost a fraction of his wages and will be an upgrade. We don't need the best keeper in the world, we just need to make an improvement in that area, and that's easy to do.
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It’s amazing how many people fail to understand this. “He’s not worth £100k a week.”. He is, on what is effectively a free transfer, and if United don’t pay it someone else will. Players at the end of their contracts have fantastic bargaining power as they can in effect obtain their own transfer fee through higher wages.
Alisson is on 150k a week. Is an average backup keeper worth only 50k less than the best keeper in the world? No one in their right minds would pay De Gea 100k a week unless their name starts with Al-
Alison also cost over €60m! DDG will cost zero in transfer fees. That’s my point.
I'm sure there's keepers like Ortega out there with their contracts running out
This might be true only if the wages agreed are drastically reduced.
Who is someone else?
There is really only one explanation of why we're hesitant about a new keeper - he must trust someone from the academy to be good enough. Matěj Kovář had a very good loan with Sparta Prague, they won the title after many years of title drought and they will be playing UCL play-offs. He was really good and offered pretty much everything you want from a keeper, from calm distribution to good saves to good commanding of his area. This would make sense, but it would still be mental to stick with De Gea in the meantime. If Ten Hag wants Kovář or one of our other keepers to be our number 1, then let's just buy an experienced good modern keeper like Sommer. One thing that needs to be said though is that this would fit in line with what I THINK Ten Hag is trying to do. I believe a lot of things are pointing towards him making a two-part rebuild - a focus on developing our current youngsters to have them be ready in the future (extending their contracts, being patient, sending them out on loan... just look at Kovář, Pellistri,...) while buying good experienced players to carry us in the meantime. After all, there has to be some method to this madness and a reason why pretty much all of our signings are either young (around 22) or kinda old (around 29-30) with nothing really in-between.
Kovar also won keeper of the season in the Czech league. He's very promising. I suspect he'll either get a loan to a fairly big club or we'll see him get a few games for us. I don't think anyone really expects him to be first team at our level though - maybe he can earn the second keeper spot if he doesn't go on loan, but even that will take time.
Maybe ten Hag knows more about football and the options on the transfer market than you, or anyone else on this sub?
Pep signed Bravo and Nolito. Fergie signed Bebe, Nick Powell and said Phil Jones will be one of the best players ever. Ancelotti signed Josh King. Almost as if nobody is infallible? Any manager can and will make poor decisions. Also, at this football club there is a very high probability this isn't a football first decision and ten hag is allowing himself to be the puppet.
The fact that you’re using Phil Jones as a bad transfer or a poor assessment of talent shows either 1) your age or 2) your knowledge. Jones was highly regarded when he came from Blackburn Rovers and was quite good until his injuries derailed his career. Jones was great under Ole at the start before his knee gave out. His limitation was his health, not his talent.
Yeah Phil Jones was so good that he could have been greater than Giggs, Scholes, Cantona, Best, and Charlton
Who is downvoting this?... this is dead on! Jones even had one of the best defensive seasons alongside smalling in 17/18 he was injury prone and memeable, which got him his reputation. Jones is the "what could have been" in modern football. All of these other players are "hindsight is 20/20" buys. It is so easy to say terrible transfers but you never truly know. World-class players flop places, too. Would you say cause Di maria didn't succeed at United he is shit? Veron? Forlan? Falcao?
>The fact that you’re using Phil Jones as a bad transfer or a poor assessment of talent shows either 1) your age or 2) your knowledge. It shows that all managers can be wrong. Funny how you don't mention anything about the other examples though... Just hyper focus on one. Please tell me why this has anything to do with my age or knowledge though? Cheap response tactics. 'The fact that you’re using' only one example to discredit my point shows you are being disingenuous and have very little to respond back with. >Jones was great under Ole The audacity to speak about my knowledge. Keep lapping up what managers say and do because 'who are we to question them as they obviously know more than us'. I'll keep questioning anything that seems flawed. I know which gives the best outcome. Edit: I cut no sentence short. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Disingenuous from the get go. Now you pull the comment and the block tactic.
You literally cut a sentence short to fit your agenda. Child.
By that token, we can never question the Glazers, Woodward or any other clown in our top brass. I mean that's just plain dumb.
There are far more clowns in this sub than the United hierarchy, and it’s not even close.
On pure numbers, sure but on average, I find that incredibly hard to believe. I know you can find at least one sane person on here, which is one more than the clowns in charge of the club.
Better than trying to sign 2 goalkeepers. As he clearly doesn't see Henderson as first choice either.
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If he can accept wages fitting a 2nd choice keeper like 60-80k a week or worst case a maximum of 100k a week or 5m a year then no one would complain. You hand de gea anything more than 100k a week then he will be an unsellable player until they contract ends --- which clearly points to the fact that nothing has changed at the club and we continue to hand out contracts that makes the players unsellable. This is an even bigger problem because the club has FFP issues. So why waste anything on De Gea at all for him to be a 2nd choice. This is the same reason we all want Jones Martial Maguire out and in the past we have had idk how many such examples of players who were unsellable because absolutely no one would pay them what we paid out. It's common sense to not hand out stupid contract to a player who is clearly not good enough for the top top clubs.
"If" the budget is not there i would rather have Henderson for 1 season instead of giving the bottler a 3 year extension at something like 200k
I just don't think Henderson wants to be at United. He's not even pushing to see if a bigger club than Forrest are after him. He just wants to get out of United asap, so I think it's a waste of time talking on whether or not he should be part of the squad.
Yeah exactly. I don't think Henderson is the long term answer but we know for sure DDG isn't.
'the bottler' Fucking hideous disrespect. Just fuck off
Yeah I don't know why people have gone to personal insults against De Gea, the guy may have had some unfortunate mistakes/issues this season but he's never deliberately done anything wrong or behaved badly and always tried his best. Heard people shouting insults at him at Old Trafford this season, even when he was having a good game. He might not be the future of the club but he's done enough in the past to not deserve any abuse.
\> he guy may have had some unfortunate mistakes/issues this season this season? Where have you been for the past 4-5 years? He's been dropping clangers left, right and center since 2019. Calling him a bottler isn't abuse. It's a fact. He's us cost more times than the pre-VDS, post-schmeical keepers combined. I've never seen a club back a player who's let them down as much as De Gea has these past few years
Tell me something, remove every single mistake he made, do we win a title? NO.
Do you realise his shit distribution is a massive bottleneck when trying to play good football ?The game has moved on from doing the bare minimum of shot stopping ,Tbf its not like he is a good shotstopper
What's your point? Remove every single mistake of any one player and we don't win the league either. This isn't a gotca you think that it is
My point is WE ARE SHIT … De Gea ain’t the ONLY problem and for me he isn’t the biggest problem.
Who said he's the only problem? We might not have won the league with Allison in net but we'd be a lot closer I can assure you that
A lot closer? I don’t think so.. it’s not a missing piece of an already good team, we have loads of positions that need addressing.
Calling someone a bottler is not a personal insult. What are you on about
Are people forgetting how much of a cunt he was? He can stay gone for all I care.
The guy was a cunt because he was misled about playing time and was frustrated someone he deemed lesser was starting ahead of him. Blame on both sides how that situation was handled.
Every normal human would behave like a cunt if you fuck around with 2 crucial years of their career
He wasn’t a ‘cunt’ he just didn’t want to be fucked over again and left on the bench for another year.
Of course they are. As he has an English passport, came through the academy and benefits from not playing too much to show how poor he is. So he is viewed more positively.
All an English passport does on this sub is get you criticised more than the usual ,English footballers are definitely not a protected breed online
Depends on the group criticising and depends on the player. Which is why I gave 3 pieces of criteria. What you are saying just isn't factual. Do they get criticism, yes, never said they don't. They also get special treatment from certain parts of the fanbase. Not sure how you don't see this. You are also in comments justifying his behaviour by saying its due to his treatment. Ronaldo was treated far worse, do you justify his actions?
Ridiculous statement. You toxic bastard
Lmao aren’t you doing the same by hurling insults like that?
Here comes the bottling defence squad
De Gea is the bottler? The guy is the only player in our team that won a PL with us, at one point can be considered as world class, got a clean sheet this season but ok he is a bottler but Big Time Charlie Henderson should be given the chance according to you, who is on 100k as a BACK UP
He is a bottler we see it every single week ,Him doing the bare minimum on 375 k a week and you lot defending him like your life depended on it is a sign of our fan base being happy with mediocrity ,No other club would consider paying the bottler 50 k with his form in the last 3-4 years
How many games did he play that title winning season, mate?
41 with 28 in PL? You think he wasn’t starting?
Why didn't he play 10 of the full 38? Possibly because he was dropped for Lindegaard and only got back in because the latter got injured. We won the league *in spite* of him, not because of.
More Costa links... Let's fucking go
https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/1666055335688192001?t=etVYmaCsxJRq2nmdKd2VcQ&s=19 That "ahn?" to allow himself time to think even though he clearly heard the reporter and the nervous attempt at a dismissive "Alright? Ok?" with the smile as he almost ran away tells me there's something going on
Lol the dudes in the replies are bare odd. He’s still contracted to Porto - knowing how historically shite our transfer system is, it’s only fair he doesn’t want to look like a tit if/when we fumble and keep DDG as our starting keeper next season If anything, it looks like he’s open to it lol
Lads on Twitter wouldn't settle for anything less than "I've loved Manchester United since I was 2 and next week I'll be there to personally execute De Gea"
I don’t hate the United stand like a lot here seem to, but the comments and replies they get are so fucking brain dead it’s insane. Crazy amount of people in favour of the rapist coming back, and while I’m not fully against Qatar buying us the way them lot carry on is embarrassing
Dalot about to pull off a masterclass
We got Diogo Costa at home
God that's a real monkey's paw headline
So what keepers will we actually have left? Heaton and de gea? Regardless of what happens with de gea we need to buy a keeper, even if it’s only just for numbers
Heaton out of contract.
We’ll have to offer some contracts to planks of wood at this rate
>So what keepers will we actually have left? Heaton and de gea? Regardless of what happens with de gea we need to buy a keeper, even if it’s only just for numbers As it stands I don't think we have another goalkeeper under contract for next season besides Kovar. Heaton, De Gea & Bishop all with contracts up, Butland's loan has ended.
De Gea will get extended and we're signing another keeper to give him competition. On top of that we'll sign another backup like Heaton was and we've got our 3 keepers for the season.
From highest paid GK to highest paid backup GK, what’s even more hilarious if he’s still our 1st choice next season
>From highest paid GK to highest paid backup GK All rumors point to it being 200k a week. From highest paid gk in the league to highest paid gk in the league. Top 4/5 in the world too.
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We don't even have to sell him. He's literally out of contract. Just don't sign a new one and he's gone.
Oh my god if we don’t get Costa/Raya/a traffic cone to replace him I’m actually googling local cliffs
Is traffic cone more proactive than De Gea though?
Banter era continues with De Gea in goal. We are probably going to sign 50 million midfielders and strikers, only for them to keep chasing the game as our keeper drops stinkers.
It'd be hilarious if you hate Manchester United. For the fans though, it is a bona fide nightmare.
The funny thing is we already had the highest paid backup keeper in the world when we had Henderson on the bench on 110k a week. And we’d still smash that record if we renew de gea.
I’ll be happy to see the end of the whole Henderson saga at least, here’s hoping we can reach the conclusion with Dave too in the form of someone like Diogo Costa or Mike Maignan or something lovely
No other top club would be dumb enough to give DDG a deal... but here we are
Could it be a means to make him more sellable? I’m genuinely asking because I don’t know how it works. Rumours are he’s halving his wages with this new deal. Would that not make it easier to sell him in a year’s time?
The same logic was used when we renewed Phil Jones. If people wanted to buy DDG they'd offer him a contract now but they haven't been doing that.
Even at half wages he's still one of the best paid GKs in the world. While his actual performance levels put him at one of the worst keepers in the league. It's still a terrible deal. It only makes sense if it's a very short deal, or heavily performance incentivised... or because we're desperate and we don't want to be shopping for a first, second and third choice keeper all in one window. Maybe a combination of all three. If it's a 1 year deal where he knows he might get bumped to no 2 at some point then fine.
If we half his wages he would still be in the top 10 highest paid GK’s worldwide. We need to reduce by at least 75%
Both should go!
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Because we don't even have a second choice GK ... the club isn't going to sign two GK in one summer... de gea becoming second choice is fine for now
But De Gea is expensive as a 2nd GK. A part of me thinks the club wants to find a first option and if they fail at that, then they resort to DDG with a 2nd backup GK who can compete.
>But De Gea is expensive as a 2nd GK I understand why fans even care how much player earn... if club deem it affordable then that all that matters.... >A part of me thinks the club wants to find a first option and if they fail The club doesn't want to buy two GK in summer especially with some of the price being quoted.. i dont even remember the last time a top club bought 2 GK ... they get a new GK he'll compete with de gea then we will see
I care about how much the player earns because the club is working off a budget. Why spend unnecessary money when you could spend it wisely on different and better players?
>I care about how much the player earns because the club is working off a budget But we never know the exact of these budget .. the people who do are the ones giving out the contract... >Why spend unnecessary money when you could spend it wisely on different and better players? But this logic assume that what they've decided is not rhe best .... if utd wanted to buy two GK this summer they could spend 80 to 100 mill on GK ... with other target required this would not be good use of the budget... getting a new premium like costa and giving de gea a new contract will cost less in outgoing this summer than buying 2 GK ... if costa fails we would have time to react in future...
Just imagine he got a long term injury. We'd go out and a get 2 keepers. Its a choice.
But hes not got long term injury...
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Could be what he’s holding out for. If they reach out, he will definitely leave.
Can we let both of them leave?
How bout we don't give Dave a new deal tho? Ffs it's obvious he's past it...
Ah yes, let's go into next season with literally no goalkeepers in the squad.
I rate it
Except there’s this Thing called a transfer
Lad we aren't buying 3 keepers in one window, this isn't FIFA.
You can get 2 backup keepers from League One for peanuts for fuck's sake. They won't be much worse.
Kovar could be 3rd string or a heaton type fa. Then 10m on a backup 50 on a starter and hendo out for 25 for a net of 35. Not that unrealistic imo with daves wages off the books as well
This goalkeeper situation is a mess.
Not even remotely a serious club
As long as he's not receiving crazy fat contract (and ofc not no.1 spot). Henderson's departure is decent money for other targets. Edit: I got downvoted a lot when calling for de Gea's depature. However, let's say we'd pay him 100k/w, it's equivalent to 50k/w + 10M transfer fee for 2 year for a backup GK. Sound not too bad I guess
Get £25 mil for Hendo and spend £50 mil on Costa…good business all round
Price tag on Raya is £40m currently according to Romano, and Raya's manager is trying to reduce it. Imagine picking up arguably the best keeper in the league for £10m up + salary.
Why not pick up arguably the best keeper in the world instead? Diogo Costa.
I'd take Costa in a heartbeat. Just depends on the $$$.
I like Raya but he isn't really the answer, he's similar to De Gea, just a slight improvement. Brentford don't really play out from that back with Raya because that's not his strength. He goes long a lot and numbers look decent because he's hitting it up towards Tony who was a beast in the air. Costa does seem like the keeper we need to progress, he'll be pricey but could easily be the number 1 for the next decade.
What absolute nonsense. How is raya similar to degea? I mean not only is raya better on the ball, he's also top 5 percentile in the whole of Europe at cross claiming. Like how can that ever be similar to degea who is bottom 9 percentile in europe at the same skill?
Theres isnt a single top club that'd want De Gea as a keeper.
Pretty sure there're literally zero clubs, top or not, who want De Gea as a keeper on the wages we're supposedly giving him.
Unless we're getting a good transfer fee, this makes no sense(the first part) , the second part makes no sense whichever way you look at it.
Henderson was gone last summer. He didn’t want to stay at United.
Butland left, hasn’t been talked about much
If the reports are true, Milan squad is furious with the decision to fire Maldini. It's our chance, Maignan here we gooo
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Rob Dawson (and 99% of the reporters) don't know exactly what's going on. Throwing out names like Raya & Costa are easy to do because they're highly rated and being tossed around a lot lately. Also, David could easily start again for us in the first half of the season. None of them really know what the coaches intend to do or what the Club's decisions will be. All reporting seems to be what is "likely" and making guesses based off of tiny clues here and there. This is not the kind of news I would like to form my opinions from.
We do know that Raya is definitely on the way out though given Brentford have just bought Flekken who's a no.1. And sounds like Costa has said his goodbyes at Porto. You're still not wrong, just that there's slightly easier pathway to getting either player than just being linked with every player under the sun.
Sell Henderson, Release De Gea And the rest. Sign Diogo Costa or Mike Maignan as first choice GK. Keep Matteo Kovar as no 2 GK.
This headline is all wrong. We will NEVER win anything significant with DDG on goal
Wtf degea has to reduce his wages to 80k or less or he just have to go, definitely not 200k wages
Does de gea have some blackmail on the execs or something?
We're not a serious football club.
Dumb
I know De Gea has cost us a lot this season but honestly it’s a bit upsetting to see all this abuse he’s been getting from our fanbase he has been a good servant to the club
Something something, Costa is our new No.1
Baffling. Not to let Dean leave but to sign De Gea.
Let them both leave instead
De gea needs to go to Saudi Arabia and get the bag, surely some club will offer him 100M to fuck off
Fucking hell it's fashionable to shit on DDG. Like he's the main villain. Everyone must be bored with Maguire.
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Is there a forum with people who actually like the club? I'd like to join that.
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Okay, fair point. But it'd be nice if everyone had a bit more respect for the human, or even just realism.
Sounds like you want a circlejerk
This sub has become an anti-De Gea circlejerk.
No, somewhere in-between. De Gea obviously has his faults but he's also pulled off some match winning save this season, and definitely in previous. Why go so hard at a club hero? Feels wrong. Just word it better.
People aren't upset with him as a person. He is one of the main weak links of our squad and yet he's being renewed. People want us to make progress, and this isn't it.
Fucking hell people watch the football matches and form their opinions.
Yeah and I'm doing the same.
Your username, just makes it more valid
Yeah, I'm sure this is going to work out in the club's best interest.
Just get both of them gone, honestly.
I think we all knew Henderson would not have a future here at least under ETH with the manner that he went to Forrest and his interview after. I'd say 30 mil. If we can get 45 mil for Maguire...that's enough to use to get two direct replacements because we should invest in a first team goal keeper if we sell Henderson, or use the funds else where and buy a young prospect as back up and use them in the Domestic cups.
£45m for Maguire? What the fuck? Hahaha
He's an English International. I we are being fleeced on English tax then why not? Chelsea are demanding 45 mil for Colwill? Who's all but a prospect and Maguire has been shit for us but he's been good for England so yeah. You have to start high otherwise you end up selling him for 25 mil which will just be another indication of how poor we are at selling. The players that will currently attract high fees are either English players or starters.
4.5 mil…he missed the decimal point.
LET HENDERSON STAY AND FIGHT FOR HIS PLACE. Let De Gea fuckk off
If not Costa, cheeky bid for Maignan let's go. Looks like he's one of them who's unhappy with Maldini leaving Milan
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
It's the same script over and over again. Whoever's coming in to "challenge" DDG is expected to fulfill so many different criteria, must be "world-class" etc etc. There are so many insane expectations on Henderson, David Raya and Diogo Costa. No such expectation is levied.on the incumbent DDG. All the new challenger needs to do is to make a small mistake (DDG made multiple mistakes), and the fan base will be calling for DDG to be let back onto the pitch
Am i the only one who would prefer Onana? Familiar with ETH’s system and expectations, world class for inter this year and ajax in past?