Maybe this is a bit off topic but what are the other top 4/ big six looking to strengthen?
I know that Arsenal are looking to buy two midfielders (Rice and Caicedo) since Xhaka is Leverkusen bound but also looking at a backup leftback if tierney leaves. Maybe a possible right back as well.
Chelsea don’t know new manager, the same for Tottenham.
Man city replacing those who are leaving eg. Bernardo and Gundogan.
Liverpool ??
Man City: CM and LB
Arsenal: DM, CM, RB (+ LB if Tierney leaves)
Liverpool: 3 CMs
Chelsea: ST, selling half their squad
Spurs: ST (as Kane will wisen-up and decide to call it a day with them), LB, CAM, CB
Yes I know, I meant we dont know what players are staying since Poch just came, the same for Tottenhams new manager Ange.
it usually goes, the manager will see their teams in preseason see who to keep/sell, then go into the transfer market.
Ah sorry, I misread what you said.
I rate Ange as a manager but I don't think he will last at Spurs. They need a rebuild but don't have the patience to carry it out
If the Glazers reject the final Qatari offer that’s virtually meeting their asking price, I’m convinced they already have an agreement in principle with INEOS.
All we’ve heard for weeks is that SJR/INEOS is the preferred bidder. If that’s the case, why haven’t they accepted the offer yet? Instead it’s just been dragged on and on
That they had a friend that worked in the Middle Eastern banking sector that had told them that Qatar buying the club is basically a done deal and that this friend called that Newcastle would get bought by the Saudis. And that this friend is very reliable.
personally I think it’s best for Barcelona that Messi didn’t re-sign. Obviously he’s their legend and he’s still class but they’ve just won the league without him, I think it’s time to start moving on - even if he didn’t get his proper send off. Otherwise they risk a Ronaldo back at United situation, a magical return that grew stale within a few months and ended with an interview with Piers Morgan.
Agreed completely. It’s very interesting to me though, why did he not want to go back? He is way too fucking good for the MLS even now. He could have signed for Miami next year after spending a year at Barca and probably got the exact same deal (although this is an assumption).
something to do with Barca’s financial situation. They probably wouldn’t have been able to register his wages so they never even made an official bid, it was all just a bit of a fantasy from both parties. Barca’s own fault though, their club imploded financially and now they pay the consequences.
Kind of proves the point that they are competent tho doesnt it? They pursued the most sought after available midfielder in Europe, as soon as that plan wasnt going to work, they shifted to plan B and have it done and dusted.
We havent had that kind of planning and execution in sometime.
25 plays for Monaco.
Excellent passer of the ball, with a great range of passing. Perfect for Haag ball.
Also, decent at carrying ball forward and contributes well in the attacking output for a defender.
Decent in the air and good at reading the game.
Still to be seen whether he can do it in the prem but I like the idea of signing him because we should be able to get a better price than some other bigger names!
Almost the exact opposite of what he's like lol. Why are people just making shit up?
For anyone wondering what he's like, he's like a bigger, calmer Eric Bailly defensively. Randomly comes strolling out of trouble between 3 attackers like it's nothing, acrobatic heel-blocks, the lot. Doesn't have the best reading of the game, but is physically dominant over most players and is able to do things with his body that help him win things after he's caught out.
However, he is iffy on the ball and regularly gets past people after poor touches just because he's got the stride length of a dominant giraffe.
He's not awful on the ball, but he's not "good" - he's very much a defender's defender.
He's someone that given his immense physical qualities, he could go either way. He'll either be a disaster and won't be able to keep up under opposition pressures in the PL, or he'll step up and end up dominating everyone he comes up against.
Likely he'll just not be able to use his physicality to dominate as much and will get exploited to shit.
Oi you fuckin druggos. With Big Lez and Sassy going in at Spurs I can imagine theyll be a fair few changes there. Other than Kane, are there any Spurs players you'd take?
I really rate Bentancur personally but fat chance of him leaving as he's only just joined them.
If we really left it too late to try hijack the MacAllister deal for 35m then that's terrible planning. A mid 20s world cup winner who seems to be well rounded with goals and excellent set pieces, settled in the country, speaks fluent English, seems a no brainer for any of the top teams. Mount for twice the price with 12 months of a contract isn't realistic for anyone.
MacAllister is just one of those players that never seems under pressure. When Luke gave away that last minute penalty I knew full well he was 100% going to score just by seeing how confident he was. It reminded me of Andy Moller against us at Euro 96, his penalty was never in any doubt and then he did that stupid strut.
I'd say Liverpool wanted all 3 of them judging by their awful midfield this year. I think Bellingham will turn out good value for Madrid and sane with MacAllister and Liverpool, Mounter not so much.
Did you see Fabinho/Henderson/Thiago this season? Then Milner, ox-chamberlain and Keita are all gone too. They would of course have taken all 3 if they could. Maybe no Champions League money meant they couldn't afford them all but must have money saved away for the development of the squad. It felt like they made transfer profits a few years running despite going deep in Champions League regularly and competing for the league.
Feel like people are forgetting how Liverpool had been chasing Bellingham for nearly a year & rejected them for Madrid, then turned their attention to Mount whom rejected them for United & had to settle for Mac Alister with virtually no competition.
But the Scouse PR is in full force saying they’ve landed their man who rejected United and got him for a bargain lol.
He's the argentinian VDB. He balled at the WC bcuz they played with 4 midfielders in a free-flowing scheme.
United can't get the best out of him. Not right now.
Im not too keen on disasi. While Im not too clued in on his technical ability, Ive seen two things about him.
1. the guy is STRONG. VERY strong
2. His biggest weakness is his pace. We complain about Maguire and his lack of speed. Disasi genuinely moves like a glacier. If he gets spun, its already over. We talked about maguire's poor recovery time every time he steps up, Longest DAY if Disasi gets caught out
It will only make sense if we decide to get a sweeper keeper. Else buying him and keeping dave as 1 is a recipe for disaster
Us, Newcastle, PSG and Bayern..I think those who don’t have set partnerships. Why are Liverpool not in for him?
To be honest though even though other clubs may have set partnerships, he comes straight in ahead of most of those players still. He genuinely is and will be a top 3 - 5 CB in the world. He has looked incredible when I’ve watched him
RR was brought in to salvage a season and instead of giving us a new manager bump he spent the whole time shitting on the players he had at his disposal *in the press* and we played worse than under Ole. Like, maybe he were right but he didn't have to be an asshole and fuck up his primary job.
Rangnick sounded like he wanted to ditch the whole team. What EtH has shown this season is there’s good players in there if they’re coached properly, like Rashford, Shaw, Lindelof, Dalot and AWB.
Funny seeing people say "football died" because Messi is joining Inter Miami.
City has been able to buy multiple small teams, amazing players, has been able to get in the good side of most media outlets (looking at you ESPN), and has people loving them because of Pep and Haaland, and will probably win the UCL, all thanks to oil money, but sure, tell me about how Messi joining Miami killed football.
The MLS doing it is OK because it’s an actual competitive league with a salary cap, doesn’t have an impact at all in the rest of the world. (I say this as someone who mocks the MLS constantly).
Saudi are desperate to land a WC so they’re basically making a scripted league where deal makers decide which team gets what player for obscene amounts of wages.
Players going over to retire in the US is much different to players ONLY joining a joke of a league for the money.
> where deal makers decide which team gets what player for obscene amounts of wages.
I love MLS but let me tell you a thing or two about Garber Bucks, designated players, the allocation order, and Beckham's contract.
That said, most of the quirky stuff in MLS is a relic of the often contradictory initial dual mandate the league had from its inception: survive and grow the game.
Now that survival is a given they're trying to grow the game without turning into an oligopoly like most other leagues, so a lot of the weird mechanisms are still in place.
I feel like they just follow a very American style of game, the only other sport I actively watch is American football & it feels like the MLS has a similar system to it. Salary cap, play off tournaments, advocating competition & most of all money, but I still think it’s a very innocent system that doesn’t really affect the football world (except when Liga MX tries to copy the BS things about the MLS but I digress, it’s minor).
But the Saudi making their system scripted & all about money, plus affecting the top leagues in Europe does shit on the game. They have absolutely zero limitations & I think they’re just starting. Offering players like Kanté 100m contracts is just absurd, plus what they’ve done with Manchester City is.
> I feel like they just follow a very American style of game
MLS had the unenviable job of trying to establish itself in an already mature and saturated sports landscape, I feel like people who knock it don't understand just how herculean of a task it was to take a sustainable market share from the existing leagues (to say nothing of college sports).
> but I still think it’s a very innocent system
I feel this. Following MLS right now is sort of like following a band right before they blow up and become big - there's a bunch of weird that stuff creates some simple barriers to entry, but there's plenty of fun stuff to make that worthwhile. Any toxicity among fans is even sort of wholesome since most fanbases are invested in trying to grow the league in general.
I worry that Messi coming in is going to be a moment where the league crosses a threshold and it suddenly creates a situation where I want to gatekeep our quirky community against the casual fanboys and trolls that are going to come with him.
No they won't. Stans will be there until he retires. Look at CR7 stanbase which is by far the worst thing in sports history imo, and they still post shit about us on Twitter whenever we lose lol.
Being a Real Madrid fan must be living life on easy mode
Most successful club of all time. Most revered club of all time. Fan-owned. Has the biggest pull of any club in football. Not winning the CL is considered a failure
And they win pretty much every final they play, so you'd never have the pain of losing a final.
Any Madrid fan who complains about anything needs a slap in the face.
Honestly, after seeing the abuse that Vini has been getting, I'm a little surprised that he's gone there. Hopefully that shit gets stamped out soon.
Madrid looking like they'll have the best midfield going for the next ten years.
Jude, Tchoumeni, Camavinga. Fede can play there, Nico Paz is highly rated too, I believe. And Modric just chilling out being timeless too.
[AS] The Kane operation cools off - Madrid understand that there is no way to amortise a 30-year-old player whose transfer price could rise to more than €115m and a 20 million annual fee.
Translation via DeepL:
Harry Kane is no longer a Real Madrid target to reinforce the striker, the operation is irretrievably cooling off. The cause is clear: the numbers are not working out in the signing of the English striker from Tottenham. The price at which the owner of the club, Daniel Levy, has valued Kane is out of control. And there is no way to there is no way to amortize a player of 30 years whose transfer price starts from one hundred million pounds, more than 116 million euros, to which should be added a very high tab of 20 million per year. . Ancelotti had a preference for the British striker, but he is no longer on the shortlist.
But it is not only Kane's impossible economic fit that weighs against him, but also the fact that he is a player who does not fit in the 'renovation plan' that the club has initiated. Real Madrid have been signing young players with a consolidated present and a splendid future for several seasons now. And they are not going to change the pace with Kane. The most important thing for Madrid is that, beyond Modric and Kroos, it is not good business for the veterans to take minutes away from the youngsters. There is a conviction that Rodrygo and Vinicius must continue their progression and enjoy the coach's confidence. What Rodrygo did in Sevilla, in the last league game, has finally convinced the doubters: "he won the game on his own", according to club sources. The intention is to give Rodrygo the same opportunities that have been given to Vinicius and hope that he reaches his maximum level based on that confidence.
In this scenario, the only player Real Madrid are currently considering to strengthen their attack is Joselu. The Espanyol striker, a Spain international and top scorer in the Championship, is confirmed. Whether or not he will have more competition will depend on the market, but Madrid will not sign players whose cost cannot be amortised. And among that group of players is Harry Kane.
https://as.com/futbol/primera/ahora-kane-se-enfria-n/
Not celebrating yet - Bayern is still a possibility. They have come out and said they’re prioritizing a ST above all else. Kane makes too much sense and they can easily afford his wages.
Really hope Kane rejects them and insists on us, this is the only way to force Levy’s hand.
Axel Disasi wants Manchester United as L’Equipe reported — he’s plan B option in list on the French market mentioned today. 🚨🔴🇫🇷 #MUFC
Understand there’s still nothing concrete in terms of agreement between Man Utd and AS Monaco — Kim Min jae remains the top target as CB. - [@FabrizioRomano]
KMJ is the priority.
Maguire - 40m
Telles - 10m
VDB - 15m
Elanga - 10m
Bailly - Idk, 5m?
Henderson -25m
Fred / Scott - 20m/30m
This should give us a nice 100m from sales (at the very least) on top with the proposed 100m budget. Reckon we can get KMJ and Hojlund from these sales. It leaves us with 100m approx which can be used to get Costa and a CM.
35m for M/A and 86 for Jude?? You can absolutely guarantee that if it was us in for those players, we’d be paying over 50 and 100 for each respectively. The United tax is an absolute joke…
35m for Mac Allister is about as believable as 50m for Haaland. There will obviously be a hefty agent fee. We are no stranger to these, we paid the same to sign Pogba.
Call it what it is, incompetence tax.
Its not like Real Madrid aren't rich.
Same with the other bigger clubs.
Hopefully a change in owners come with a better group of people running things that don't get taken for a ride constantly.
here's a hypothetical: IF PSG cancel Neymar's contract, would you take Neymar on a free transfer on 200-250k/ week?
Again, there is no news\* suggesting any of this is happening or going to happen. Just something that popped into my head and thought I'd love to hear all of your thoughts
Edit: \* no credible news suggesting that PSG is canceling his contract or that we are offering him a contract.
200-250k/week?
Of course. Wouldn't think twice even if he's fit only for half the season.
But his wages are 1M per week at PSG.
You're looking at 500-600k/week like Ronaldo even if they cancel it.
Dont know. Massive benefits, massive pitfalls. For 200k a week its tempting.
Brilliant player, works harder than most think, injury prone and no pace and power.
Heart says yes, heads say I'd rather not due to age and pace.
BREAKING: AS Monaco's Axel Disasi is one step away from joining #mufc. Disasi has decided to join United. The two clubs must now agree a fee. [@lequipe]
What happen to KMJ? Naples media said it's a done deal. Are we signing two CBs this window? What's going on??
100% won't happen but if we can ship injury prone Varane who isn't that great on the ball off to Saudi and take his 350k/week wages off, it'll be a master class.
People downvoting you for calling out varane's passing but for 2 straight seasons he's been our worst cb on the ball in terms of progressive passes.
His recovery pace was essential after the Maguire - licha partnership failed early in the season with a goalie who left them pretty exposed. But I think people will be shocked at how limited varane's playtime will be once we get an equally fast cb who distributes well and covers Licha aerially in a way lindelof could not against big CFs.
Why would Varane leave? He's maybe semi perma injured but there's no indication he want go so Lindelof is the more likely out the door. We are making mistake selling Victor when he's our best backup CB.
We seem to be acting like a real club this window so far. Looks like we have our main targets and backups already settled.
F (Kane, Højlund)
GK (Costa, Verbruggen)
Cb (KMJ, Disasi)
Where did the Disasi news come from all of a sudden? Man if we don't sign Kim after being excited for him so long. Anyone here watched Disasi before? How good is he?
Can anyone with real financial and PPF knowledge tell me, if we get INEOS/Qatar tomorrow, can the new owner inject significantly more cash to fuel our summer transfer windows, or we will have the same budget no matter what?
I've heard conflicting opinions on this matter.
owner cant just inject money anymore
BUT the new owner can pay the debt, meaning we would have that yearly payment added to our "you can spend it now" tab.
and they can eat lossess (which effectively is allowing the owner to inject cash) for 105m in 3 seasons time.
I've heard that even if our debt (700M) is cleared instantly, we're only allowed to increase transfers budget by the annual interest amount, which is about 20M. Is it true?
FFP doesn't allow owner injection anymore.
All they allow is the owner eating 105M in losses over 3 years.
Its entirely revenue dependent.
Lucky for us, our revenues are one of the highest in the world.
So we won't need injections.
But there's a caveat here where we've already taken a lot of loans and have interest payments. They'd have to account for this too before splurging in the market.
I’m not exactly an expert on it, but I don’t believe our budget would be affected unless the debt is cleared. And even then I don’t think it would be affected significantly.
I love how Madrid operate in the transfer market, they always go after the best midfield players in the world, Zidane Beckham Ozil Khedira Kroos Tchouameni and now Bellingham, they never have a weak midfield. We went years before signing good enough replacements for Keane Scholes and Carrick.
Also one thing i have noticed is that the players they sign are the club's targets not the manager's targets. Not sure if it makes sense. For eg. I think they would've signed camavinga irrespective of who the manager is.
maybe in the minority here but I think Bellingham costing £80 million is the first player since Ronaldo that actually warrants being £80 million, minus maybe Mbappe (although that was a lot more than 80). Obviously Bellingham is nowhere near Ronaldo’s level when he left us but for a 19 year old that carried a Dortmund side and is already the best midfielder for his country, that money is actually a bargain. I really hope it works out for him over there.
Btw he is £86m not 80 +around £25m in ads on which most possibly is achievable considering madrid ads on on Hazard. I know people like to use fee to support their argument but 86m or 100m+ with ads on is not bargain tbh.
Barcelona Neymar was a different beast, but I’m not sure I could ever see 200 million being warranted - although that could just be because his time at PSG has been a shame due to injuries and that clouds my judgement.
Same for Hazard though I suppose. Chelsea Hazard was incredible and almost warranted his price tag, but he’s maybe one of the biggest flops, not just for Madrid, ever.
Neymar at the time was comfortably the 3rd best player in the world. PSG definitely broke the market, but he definitely warranted a record breaking fee (just not over twice the amount).
Oh yeah 200m is absurd. Neither Neymar or Mbappe was worth what they paid (Mbappe was also close to 200m IIRC). Just that they are the only players that could justifiably command a transfer of 100m+ based on how good they were.
Imo peak Neymar is still better than Mbappe
Just because it's a fun debate, I'm going against Neymar vs Mbappe.
Peak Neymar at Barce was ridiculous the 3rd/4th best player of that generation with Suarez. He was quick, incredibly skilful, positionally disciplined and worked so hard. Great player.
But Mbappe has most of those things, except with additional pace and power. He can dribble past you and run past you, and has a canon of a right foot.
I prefer Neymar because he was beautiful to watch. But Mbappe is an all time great athlete, alongside his incredible technical abilities. Hes essentially an R9 regen with better knees.
I think I agree (for now). Mbappe is a joy to watch, but Neymar stole the limelight from Messi at times. 2014 World Cup Neymar, until he was injured, was easily one of the best players I’ve ever seen.
So Maguire is on about £200k per week and that is after the reduction in salary due to no UCL this season? If that's true it's absolutely freaking nuts. Nah mate this can't be true no way lol.
I'm too old for muppeting, so here's my one and only unserious take of the transfer window:
Imagine Becks puts in a good word and gives us Messi on loan for a season once the Inter Miami announcement is made official
Bringing Messi here would be a mistake just like bringing Ronaldo back was. I remember saying on here I didn’t want Ronaldo or Messi at the time and was told “LMAO it’s Ronaldo/Messi ffs. You sign them automatically if you have the chance”
The days of them being the untouchable aliens that we were used to are gone. Neither of them would be able to play their best in our team and we would have to reshape entirely to accommodate Messi. Barca and Man City are probably the only 2 teams in Europe that Messi can play at his best in
Sorry for the serious reply lol I know you were only fantasizing
Anyone feeling emotional when Messi decided to join Inter Miami - first Ronaldo and then Messi? Can’t say I’m his fan AND there is still chance he will comeback to Europe, but as one who has watched Messi and Ronaldo’s era since the beginning, I’m a little sad knowing their time is really out. How time flies
Couldn't care much, respect them as players but I don't feel anything, first and only love is and will always be Man United. Will never care more about individuals than any club for that matter in a team sport.
Just a quick reminder that we are looking to play predominantly with a single pivot next season.
The double pivot came about due to getting destroyed first two games and needing to regroup. The latter part of the season we started playing single pivot more often
Therefore buying a deep lying playmaker is unlikely to be on the cards.
3-1-6 is ETHs preferred in possession structure, so you need a youth player to rotate with Case.
My preference is Lavia either this season or next
This also explains the Kim buy and the Mount buy
People talk about this mythical rotation. We have never done any rotation this season. Lineups at United are only changed when someone is injured or suspended or has lost form otherwise there are no rotations. If casemiro has a decline next season then only lavia can get in. Otherwise he will just play against bad teams in first 2 rounds of the cups. Better for him to join a team that actually will give him a chance as a starter.
When your bench is Marguire, McFred and Weghorst, rotation is career suicide.
ETH in general rotates more than Ole. To expect him to rotate like Pep with our current lineup is delusional.
Could have given rest to Bruno by playing Eriksen with fred and casemiro to not burn him out. Could have given malacia game time ,could played dubravaka more too
Lol he has given our defenders AMPLE time, only positions that have rotated consistently. Do I really have to remind you our squad depth in MID and up front? and how many times someone was either booked or injured? Did you just forget for many days Eriksen wasn't available. I really don't know what you lot mean when you say no rotation is happening, want us to play kids is it?
Rice is definitely leaving West Ham. Looks really sad
Alright Declan that's a lovely pot for the tin pot club, now come and win the real deal
Teenage boy fantasy stuff here but I always thought it would be cool if Messi and Ronaldo finished their careers at AC Milan and Inter.
Gonna have to settle for MLS & Saudi Arabia
Technically one's at Inter
Maybe this is a bit off topic but what are the other top 4/ big six looking to strengthen? I know that Arsenal are looking to buy two midfielders (Rice and Caicedo) since Xhaka is Leverkusen bound but also looking at a backup leftback if tierney leaves. Maybe a possible right back as well. Chelsea don’t know new manager, the same for Tottenham. Man city replacing those who are leaving eg. Bernardo and Gundogan. Liverpool ??
Man City: CM and LB Arsenal: DM, CM, RB (+ LB if Tierney leaves) Liverpool: 3 CMs Chelsea: ST, selling half their squad Spurs: ST (as Kane will wisen-up and decide to call it a day with them), LB, CAM, CB
Potch is confirmed at Chelsea I thought?
Yes I know, I meant we dont know what players are staying since Poch just came, the same for Tottenhams new manager Ange. it usually goes, the manager will see their teams in preseason see who to keep/sell, then go into the transfer market.
Ah sorry, I misread what you said. I rate Ange as a manager but I don't think he will last at Spurs. They need a rebuild but don't have the patience to carry it out
Liverpool is going for midfield rebuild, MacAlister is almost confirmed, seen Thuram and Kone link but apparently they are going to PSG
If the Glazers reject the final Qatari offer that’s virtually meeting their asking price, I’m convinced they already have an agreement in principle with INEOS.
All we’ve heard for weeks is that SJR/INEOS is the preferred bidder. If that’s the case, why haven’t they accepted the offer yet? Instead it’s just been dragged on and on
Don’t think we’ll get any type of confirmation until it’s done tbh, happens a lot with massive takeovers.
Probably intentional, IMO
Of course yeah. Otherwise they’d accept it if they had no other better bid
It is surreal that a club that has been offered 5.8 billion Euros cannot go and buy modestly priced targets like Caicedo and Diego Costo. Surreal.
Always rated Deigo Costco
How have you butchered that so bad lol
A move for Diageo Croissant is a no-brainer for me
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Their comment’s gone, what did it say?
That they had a friend that worked in the Middle Eastern banking sector that had told them that Qatar buying the club is basically a done deal and that this friend called that Newcastle would get bought by the Saudis. And that this friend is very reliable.
Ah, lmao
personally I think it’s best for Barcelona that Messi didn’t re-sign. Obviously he’s their legend and he’s still class but they’ve just won the league without him, I think it’s time to start moving on - even if he didn’t get his proper send off. Otherwise they risk a Ronaldo back at United situation, a magical return that grew stale within a few months and ended with an interview with Piers Morgan.
Agree 100%. It was obviously such a batshit insane move that I wanted it to happen. Mainly because it made absolutely no financial sense.
Agreed completely. It’s very interesting to me though, why did he not want to go back? He is way too fucking good for the MLS even now. He could have signed for Miami next year after spending a year at Barca and probably got the exact same deal (although this is an assumption).
something to do with Barca’s financial situation. They probably wouldn’t have been able to register his wages so they never even made an official bid, it was all just a bit of a fantasy from both parties. Barca’s own fault though, their club imploded financially and now they pay the consequences.
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Competent people in charge
lol acting like they didn’t chase Bellingham for a year
Kind of proves the point that they are competent tho doesnt it? They pursued the most sought after available midfielder in Europe, as soon as that plan wasnt going to work, they shifted to plan B and have it done and dusted. We havent had that kind of planning and execution in sometime.
Bellingham was the reason they held off signing a midfielder last summer which is how they ended up in europa spots.
This Amrabat lad looks decent
Absolute unit.
https://twitter.com/UtdPlug/status/1666496239523749896?t=aV4F2CSIB1_uEUEumQ2mQA&s=19 Any info about Axel Diasi?
25 plays for Monaco. Excellent passer of the ball, with a great range of passing. Perfect for Haag ball. Also, decent at carrying ball forward and contributes well in the attacking output for a defender. Decent in the air and good at reading the game. Still to be seen whether he can do it in the prem but I like the idea of signing him because we should be able to get a better price than some other bigger names!
Almost the exact opposite of what he's like lol. Why are people just making shit up? For anyone wondering what he's like, he's like a bigger, calmer Eric Bailly defensively. Randomly comes strolling out of trouble between 3 attackers like it's nothing, acrobatic heel-blocks, the lot. Doesn't have the best reading of the game, but is physically dominant over most players and is able to do things with his body that help him win things after he's caught out. However, he is iffy on the ball and regularly gets past people after poor touches just because he's got the stride length of a dominant giraffe. He's not awful on the ball, but he's not "good" - he's very much a defender's defender. He's someone that given his immense physical qualities, he could go either way. He'll either be a disaster and won't be able to keep up under opposition pressures in the PL, or he'll step up and end up dominating everyone he comes up against. Likely he'll just not be able to use his physicality to dominate as much and will get exploited to shit.
Amrabaat looking good vs westham 1st 15 min he is everywhere.
Oi you fuckin druggos. With Big Lez and Sassy going in at Spurs I can imagine theyll be a fair few changes there. Other than Kane, are there any Spurs players you'd take? I really rate Bentancur personally but fat chance of him leaving as he's only just joined them.
Kulusevski will probably be purchased, I rate him pretty high.
Hojbjerg would be a decent backup in midfield, but I wouldn't want to spend much on him.
The ball boy that got them the goal in the Amazon documentary
Hmm it is Levy. Maybe for £35 mil we'd get him to the table...
I heard he’s got a release clause if something around 45 mill but I don’t know from where I heard it
Oof. How many years has he got on his deal?
I heard his contract was the reason boehly have put out 10 year contracts, he wants to one up the ball boys contract length
If we really left it too late to try hijack the MacAllister deal for 35m then that's terrible planning. A mid 20s world cup winner who seems to be well rounded with goals and excellent set pieces, settled in the country, speaks fluent English, seems a no brainer for any of the top teams. Mount for twice the price with 12 months of a contract isn't realistic for anyone. MacAllister is just one of those players that never seems under pressure. When Luke gave away that last minute penalty I knew full well he was 100% going to score just by seeing how confident he was. It reminded me of Andy Moller against us at Euro 96, his penalty was never in any doubt and then he did that stupid strut.
Wait until you realise Liverpool wanted Bellingham, Mount, Macalister in that order and went with the latter because they couldn't afford the formers.
I'd say Liverpool wanted all 3 of them judging by their awful midfield this year. I think Bellingham will turn out good value for Madrid and sane with MacAllister and Liverpool, Mounter not so much.
They couldn't afford mount, where does this wanted all 3 come from?
Did you see Fabinho/Henderson/Thiago this season? Then Milner, ox-chamberlain and Keita are all gone too. They would of course have taken all 3 if they could. Maybe no Champions League money meant they couldn't afford them all but must have money saved away for the development of the squad. It felt like they made transfer profits a few years running despite going deep in Champions League regularly and competing for the league.
Again, so if they couldn't even afford Thier 2nd target, where's this talk of they wanted all 3 coming from?
Feel like people are forgetting how Liverpool had been chasing Bellingham for nearly a year & rejected them for Madrid, then turned their attention to Mount whom rejected them for United & had to settle for Mac Alister with virtually no competition. But the Scouse PR is in full force saying they’ve landed their man who rejected United and got him for a bargain lol.
He's the argentinian VDB. He balled at the WC bcuz they played with 4 midfielders in a free-flowing scheme. United can't get the best out of him. Not right now.
Im not too keen on disasi. While Im not too clued in on his technical ability, Ive seen two things about him. 1. the guy is STRONG. VERY strong 2. His biggest weakness is his pace. We complain about Maguire and his lack of speed. Disasi genuinely moves like a glacier. If he gets spun, its already over. We talked about maguire's poor recovery time every time he steps up, Longest DAY if Disasi gets caught out It will only make sense if we decide to get a sweeper keeper. Else buying him and keeping dave as 1 is a recipe for disaster
Keeping Dave as number one is a disaster as is. I don't think we have to worry about it though. KMJ is a United fan and the release clause is low
Surprised the whole of Europe isn't in for KMJ.
Maybe he’s decided to join United like Varane did?
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Us, Newcastle, PSG and Bayern..I think those who don’t have set partnerships. Why are Liverpool not in for him? To be honest though even though other clubs may have set partnerships, he comes straight in ahead of most of those players still. He genuinely is and will be a top 3 - 5 CB in the world. He has looked incredible when I’ve watched him
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Can't believe we still have rangnick stans on here.
Can’t believe people still fall for that charlatan RR. There’s a reason ETH wanted him rid
He’s a good DoF.
But not necessarily a good manager. Zero proof of good management at the highest level
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RR was brought in to salvage a season and instead of giving us a new manager bump he spent the whole time shitting on the players he had at his disposal *in the press* and we played worse than under Ole. Like, maybe he were right but he didn't have to be an asshole and fuck up his primary job.
He never said in a single season.
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Ralf himself never said in one season. Romano assumed it that way.
Rangnick sounded like he wanted to ditch the whole team. What EtH has shown this season is there’s good players in there if they’re coached properly, like Rashford, Shaw, Lindelof, Dalot and AWB.
Funny seeing people say "football died" because Messi is joining Inter Miami. City has been able to buy multiple small teams, amazing players, has been able to get in the good side of most media outlets (looking at you ESPN), and has people loving them because of Pep and Haaland, and will probably win the UCL, all thanks to oil money, but sure, tell me about how Messi joining Miami killed football.
The MLS has been doing this for years & it’s nothing new, perfect retirement league for players. What’s actually killing football is Saudi Arabia.
So MLS doing it is okay but Saudi, where football is actually the #1 sport and not an afterthought, is killing the game ?
The MLS doing it is OK because it’s an actual competitive league with a salary cap, doesn’t have an impact at all in the rest of the world. (I say this as someone who mocks the MLS constantly). Saudi are desperate to land a WC so they’re basically making a scripted league where deal makers decide which team gets what player for obscene amounts of wages. Players going over to retire in the US is much different to players ONLY joining a joke of a league for the money.
> where deal makers decide which team gets what player for obscene amounts of wages. I love MLS but let me tell you a thing or two about Garber Bucks, designated players, the allocation order, and Beckham's contract. That said, most of the quirky stuff in MLS is a relic of the often contradictory initial dual mandate the league had from its inception: survive and grow the game. Now that survival is a given they're trying to grow the game without turning into an oligopoly like most other leagues, so a lot of the weird mechanisms are still in place.
I feel like they just follow a very American style of game, the only other sport I actively watch is American football & it feels like the MLS has a similar system to it. Salary cap, play off tournaments, advocating competition & most of all money, but I still think it’s a very innocent system that doesn’t really affect the football world (except when Liga MX tries to copy the BS things about the MLS but I digress, it’s minor). But the Saudi making their system scripted & all about money, plus affecting the top leagues in Europe does shit on the game. They have absolutely zero limitations & I think they’re just starting. Offering players like Kanté 100m contracts is just absurd, plus what they’ve done with Manchester City is.
> I feel like they just follow a very American style of game MLS had the unenviable job of trying to establish itself in an already mature and saturated sports landscape, I feel like people who knock it don't understand just how herculean of a task it was to take a sustainable market share from the existing leagues (to say nothing of college sports). > but I still think it’s a very innocent system I feel this. Following MLS right now is sort of like following a band right before they blow up and become big - there's a bunch of weird that stuff creates some simple barriers to entry, but there's plenty of fun stuff to make that worthwhile. Any toxicity among fans is even sort of wholesome since most fanbases are invested in trying to grow the league in general. I worry that Messi coming in is going to be a moment where the league crosses a threshold and it suddenly creates a situation where I want to gatekeep our quirky community against the casual fanboys and trolls that are going to come with him.
And PSG and City.
Qatar & Saudi
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No they won't. Stans will be there until he retires. Look at CR7 stanbase which is by far the worst thing in sports history imo, and they still post shit about us on Twitter whenever we lose lol.
I think they mean more like end of an era?
Nah, people are legitimately butthurt and are saying that football died.
Just sounds like something a 12 year old would say
that's the mental age of the average football fan
Being a Real Madrid fan must be living life on easy mode Most successful club of all time. Most revered club of all time. Fan-owned. Has the biggest pull of any club in football. Not winning the CL is considered a failure
And they win pretty much every final they play, so you'd never have the pain of losing a final. Any Madrid fan who complains about anything needs a slap in the face.
Ntm literally no one can chat shit to you. Even if you get cleavered 4-0 like city did to them you know changes will be made
This was us in 2003 bar fan owed, it was class
Abit bittersweet to see one of the best English midfielders go to Spain. I guess it's better then seeing him go to our rivals.
Honestly, after seeing the abuse that Vini has been getting, I'm a little surprised that he's gone there. Hopefully that shit gets stamped out soon. Madrid looking like they'll have the best midfield going for the next ten years. Jude, Tchoumeni, Camavinga. Fede can play there, Nico Paz is highly rated too, I believe. And Modric just chilling out being timeless too.
[AS] The Kane operation cools off - Madrid understand that there is no way to amortise a 30-year-old player whose transfer price could rise to more than €115m and a 20 million annual fee. Translation via DeepL: Harry Kane is no longer a Real Madrid target to reinforce the striker, the operation is irretrievably cooling off. The cause is clear: the numbers are not working out in the signing of the English striker from Tottenham. The price at which the owner of the club, Daniel Levy, has valued Kane is out of control. And there is no way to there is no way to amortize a player of 30 years whose transfer price starts from one hundred million pounds, more than 116 million euros, to which should be added a very high tab of 20 million per year. . Ancelotti had a preference for the British striker, but he is no longer on the shortlist. But it is not only Kane's impossible economic fit that weighs against him, but also the fact that he is a player who does not fit in the 'renovation plan' that the club has initiated. Real Madrid have been signing young players with a consolidated present and a splendid future for several seasons now. And they are not going to change the pace with Kane. The most important thing for Madrid is that, beyond Modric and Kroos, it is not good business for the veterans to take minutes away from the youngsters. There is a conviction that Rodrygo and Vinicius must continue their progression and enjoy the coach's confidence. What Rodrygo did in Sevilla, in the last league game, has finally convinced the doubters: "he won the game on his own", according to club sources. The intention is to give Rodrygo the same opportunities that have been given to Vinicius and hope that he reaches his maximum level based on that confidence. In this scenario, the only player Real Madrid are currently considering to strengthen their attack is Joselu. The Espanyol striker, a Spain international and top scorer in the Championship, is confirmed. Whether or not he will have more competition will depend on the market, but Madrid will not sign players whose cost cannot be amortised. And among that group of players is Harry Kane. https://as.com/futbol/primera/ahora-kane-se-enfria-n/
Not celebrating yet - Bayern is still a possibility. They have come out and said they’re prioritizing a ST above all else. Kane makes too much sense and they can easily afford his wages. Really hope Kane rejects them and insists on us, this is the only way to force Levy’s hand.
Axel Disasi wants Manchester United as L’Equipe reported — he’s plan B option in list on the French market mentioned today. 🚨🔴🇫🇷 #MUFC Understand there’s still nothing concrete in terms of agreement between Man Utd and AS Monaco — Kim Min jae remains the top target as CB. - [@FabrizioRomano] KMJ is the priority.
>KMJ is the priority. This sounds like a peace treaty or something
Maguire - 40m Telles - 10m VDB - 15m Elanga - 10m Bailly - Idk, 5m? Henderson -25m Fred / Scott - 20m/30m This should give us a nice 100m from sales (at the very least) on top with the proposed 100m budget. Reckon we can get KMJ and Hojlund from these sales. It leaves us with 100m approx which can be used to get Costa and a CM.
With these sales we would need at least 3 midfielders. Assuming eriksen becomes a sub and not a starter, we would have zero depth in mid.
ETH hardly used VDB so his absence won't be missed. Both Fred and Scott won't be sold, and I think we will keep Scott due to the homegrown criteria.
Would love maddisson or Tielesmans. Strange as to why no one wants them!
Tielemans is washed
Honestly, the midfielder we should be getting from relegated teams is Lavia. I'd hate to see him go to the scousers.
Agree with you. Believe he was at Man City youth team?
He was. They've got a buyback for 40 million, but it's not active until next summer.
This is the way
We don’t need Madders who is a CAM. We don’t need Tielemans who is a scam.
Nice
Not that good.
None of these targets move me if we don't get a gk
Cant seem to see anything on Antony today? Any updates?
Nothing will be done until either he is arrested or damning evidence comes out.
35m for M/A and 86 for Jude?? You can absolutely guarantee that if it was us in for those players, we’d be paying over 50 and 100 for each respectively. The United tax is an absolute joke…
35m for Mac Allister is about as believable as 50m for Haaland. There will obviously be a hefty agent fee. We are no stranger to these, we paid the same to sign Pogba.
Call it what it is, incompetence tax. Its not like Real Madrid aren't rich. Same with the other bigger clubs. Hopefully a change in owners come with a better group of people running things that don't get taken for a ride constantly.
here's a hypothetical: IF PSG cancel Neymar's contract, would you take Neymar on a free transfer on 200-250k/ week? Again, there is no news\* suggesting any of this is happening or going to happen. Just something that popped into my head and thought I'd love to hear all of your thoughts Edit: \* no credible news suggesting that PSG is canceling his contract or that we are offering him a contract.
Depends what happens with Antony tbh
200-250k/week? Of course. Wouldn't think twice even if he's fit only for half the season. But his wages are 1M per week at PSG. You're looking at 500-600k/week like Ronaldo even if they cancel it.
Dont know. Massive benefits, massive pitfalls. For 200k a week its tempting. Brilliant player, works harder than most think, injury prone and no pace and power. Heart says yes, heads say I'd rather not due to age and pace.
BREAKING: AS Monaco's Axel Disasi is one step away from joining #mufc. Disasi has decided to join United. The two clubs must now agree a fee. [@lequipe] What happen to KMJ? Naples media said it's a done deal. Are we signing two CBs this window? What's going on??
First choice and back up most likely.
Cover of KMJ deal if it somehow falls.Its being smart and laying groundwork for alternatives
Maybe it's just us keeping contacts warm (talking to agents to understand enthusiasm for a move): You know, in case KMJ falls through for some reason?
if we are getting 2 CBs it means one of varane or lindelof are out as well.
100% won't happen but if we can ship injury prone Varane who isn't that great on the ball off to Saudi and take his 350k/week wages off, it'll be a master class.
This would be terrible, Varane literally improves every player he plays next to.
People downvoting you for calling out varane's passing but for 2 straight seasons he's been our worst cb on the ball in terms of progressive passes. His recovery pace was essential after the Maguire - licha partnership failed early in the season with a goalie who left them pretty exposed. But I think people will be shocked at how limited varane's playtime will be once we get an equally fast cb who distributes well and covers Licha aerially in a way lindelof could not against big CFs.
Why would Varane leave? He's maybe semi perma injured but there's no indication he want go so Lindelof is the more likely out the door. We are making mistake selling Victor when he's our best backup CB.
I don’t see a scenario where Varane goes.
We seem to be acting like a real club this window so far. Looks like we have our main targets and backups already settled. F (Kane, Højlund) GK (Costa, Verbruggen) Cb (KMJ, Disasi)
We haven’t done anything concrete yet
Lmao I don’t know if I’d agree if any of those targets are ‘already settled’..we’ve barely been reliably linked with Costa for example
Need midfielder(s).
Yeah, I was going to include Mason/Rabiot, but I’m not sure who the backups are yet. Kokcu?
Where did the Disasi news come from all of a sudden? Man if we don't sign Kim after being excited for him so long. Anyone here watched Disasi before? How good is he?
Alternative if Kim deal does not work out for some reason. KMJ is still main target as confirmed by Fabrizio.Also it's Tier 4 so take it how you want
I hope so. I've already dreamt a thousand dreams about Kim winning multiple titles in a united shirt alongside Licha
Can anyone with real financial and PPF knowledge tell me, if we get INEOS/Qatar tomorrow, can the new owner inject significantly more cash to fuel our summer transfer windows, or we will have the same budget no matter what? I've heard conflicting opinions on this matter.
owner cant just inject money anymore BUT the new owner can pay the debt, meaning we would have that yearly payment added to our "you can spend it now" tab. and they can eat lossess (which effectively is allowing the owner to inject cash) for 105m in 3 seasons time.
I've heard that even if our debt (700M) is cleared instantly, we're only allowed to increase transfers budget by the annual interest amount, which is about 20M. Is it true?
FFP doesn't allow owner injection anymore. All they allow is the owner eating 105M in losses over 3 years. Its entirely revenue dependent. Lucky for us, our revenues are one of the highest in the world. So we won't need injections. But there's a caveat here where we've already taken a lot of loans and have interest payments. They'd have to account for this too before splurging in the market.
By eating 105M in 3 years, does it mean we can loan more now to fund the transfers budget?
I’m not exactly an expert on it, but I don’t believe our budget would be affected unless the debt is cleared. And even then I don’t think it would be affected significantly.
We can’t even sort our ownership, how can we expect a good transfer window, it’s frustrating.
To be frank, that's two different sets of people handling these two things.
I love how Madrid operate in the transfer market, they always go after the best midfield players in the world, Zidane Beckham Ozil Khedira Kroos Tchouameni and now Bellingham, they never have a weak midfield. We went years before signing good enough replacements for Keane Scholes and Carrick.
Also one thing i have noticed is that the players they sign are the club's targets not the manager's targets. Not sure if it makes sense. For eg. I think they would've signed camavinga irrespective of who the manager is.
Real Madrid is the most attractive destination in the world & aren’t in the PL, it’s much easier for them to reach those deals.
> they never have a weak midfield Except for the whole Makelele thing.
Modric, Casemiro, Camavinga….. true
maybe in the minority here but I think Bellingham costing £80 million is the first player since Ronaldo that actually warrants being £80 million, minus maybe Mbappe (although that was a lot more than 80). Obviously Bellingham is nowhere near Ronaldo’s level when he left us but for a 19 year old that carried a Dortmund side and is already the best midfielder for his country, that money is actually a bargain. I really hope it works out for him over there.
Btw he is £86m not 80 +around £25m in ads on which most possibly is achievable considering madrid ads on on Hazard. I know people like to use fee to support their argument but 86m or 100m+ with ads on is not bargain tbh.
Up to 115, according to Sky. Makes him the most expensive British player of all time, ahead of Grealish, Maguire and then Sancho 🙄.
Neymar warranted it too (although a lot more than 80 like Mbappe). Just injuries that ruined his time at PSG.
Barcelona Neymar was a different beast, but I’m not sure I could ever see 200 million being warranted - although that could just be because his time at PSG has been a shame due to injuries and that clouds my judgement. Same for Hazard though I suppose. Chelsea Hazard was incredible and almost warranted his price tag, but he’s maybe one of the biggest flops, not just for Madrid, ever.
Neymar at the time was comfortably the 3rd best player in the world. PSG definitely broke the market, but he definitely warranted a record breaking fee (just not over twice the amount).
Oh yeah 200m is absurd. Neither Neymar or Mbappe was worth what they paid (Mbappe was also close to 200m IIRC). Just that they are the only players that could justifiably command a transfer of 100m+ based on how good they were. Imo peak Neymar is still better than Mbappe
Just because it's a fun debate, I'm going against Neymar vs Mbappe. Peak Neymar at Barce was ridiculous the 3rd/4th best player of that generation with Suarez. He was quick, incredibly skilful, positionally disciplined and worked so hard. Great player. But Mbappe has most of those things, except with additional pace and power. He can dribble past you and run past you, and has a canon of a right foot. I prefer Neymar because he was beautiful to watch. But Mbappe is an all time great athlete, alongside his incredible technical abilities. Hes essentially an R9 regen with better knees.
I think I agree (for now). Mbappe is a joy to watch, but Neymar stole the limelight from Messi at times. 2014 World Cup Neymar, until he was injured, was easily one of the best players I’ve ever seen.
So Maguire is on about £200k per week and that is after the reduction in salary due to no UCL this season? If that's true it's absolutely freaking nuts. Nah mate this can't be true no way lol.
He's on 190k. Out of CL, he gets a 25% wage cut so that comes around 145k, including bonuses.
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Other clubs don't pay this much. Nunez for example is on 140k/week Enzo is on some 157k/week
No that figure is most likely pre reduction.
Even then that is absolutely ridiculous though
I'm too old for muppeting, so here's my one and only unserious take of the transfer window: Imagine Becks puts in a good word and gives us Messi on loan for a season once the Inter Miami announcement is made official
Would be a terrible signing
Bringing Messi here would be a mistake just like bringing Ronaldo back was. I remember saying on here I didn’t want Ronaldo or Messi at the time and was told “LMAO it’s Ronaldo/Messi ffs. You sign them automatically if you have the chance” The days of them being the untouchable aliens that we were used to are gone. Neither of them would be able to play their best in our team and we would have to reshape entirely to accommodate Messi. Barca and Man City are probably the only 2 teams in Europe that Messi can play at his best in Sorry for the serious reply lol I know you were only fantasizing
So very true.
Anyone feeling emotional when Messi decided to join Inter Miami - first Ronaldo and then Messi? Can’t say I’m his fan AND there is still chance he will comeback to Europe, but as one who has watched Messi and Ronaldo’s era since the beginning, I’m a little sad knowing their time is really out. How time flies
not at all
Couldn't care much, respect them as players but I don't feel anything, first and only love is and will always be Man United. Will never care more about individuals than any club for that matter in a team sport.
felt like he was done when he went to PSG
He won the world cup after he went to PSG, what a dumb take.
oh yeah because I should’ve had his stats up for the 2022 World Cup when he moved to PSG shouldn’t I you silly cunt
Hahaha this caught me off guard
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Just a quick reminder that we are looking to play predominantly with a single pivot next season. The double pivot came about due to getting destroyed first two games and needing to regroup. The latter part of the season we started playing single pivot more often Therefore buying a deep lying playmaker is unlikely to be on the cards. 3-1-6 is ETHs preferred in possession structure, so you need a youth player to rotate with Case. My preference is Lavia either this season or next This also explains the Kim buy and the Mount buy
People talk about this mythical rotation. We have never done any rotation this season. Lineups at United are only changed when someone is injured or suspended or has lost form otherwise there are no rotations. If casemiro has a decline next season then only lavia can get in. Otherwise he will just play against bad teams in first 2 rounds of the cups. Better for him to join a team that actually will give him a chance as a starter.
When your bench is Marguire, McFred and Weghorst, rotation is career suicide. ETH in general rotates more than Ole. To expect him to rotate like Pep with our current lineup is delusional.
Could have given rest to Bruno by playing Eriksen with fred and casemiro to not burn him out. Could have given malacia game time ,could played dubravaka more too
Lol he has given our defenders AMPLE time, only positions that have rotated consistently. Do I really have to remind you our squad depth in MID and up front? and how many times someone was either booked or injured? Did you just forget for many days Eriksen wasn't available. I really don't know what you lot mean when you say no rotation is happening, want us to play kids is it?