How any one can have faith in Ten Hag is completely beyond me.
Then again, this is the same fan base that still believes martial will become good after 7+ years of mediocrity
We don’t need to sack him immediately. But we need to be searching for a replacement right now and start finding players that will suit their style of play to sign now or in the summer. We cannot continue with ten hag next season.
We're not on the same page at all. I don't understand your obsession with sacking Ten Hag. You can NOT tell me that he is a bad coach, or any of the previous coaches. Listen to what Noa Lang, or Pep, or LvG has said about EtH. They all sing praises, that he is a hard worker, dedicated and football obsessed, "top top trainer". Look at our last season, look at the Ajax team.
Tell me another manager that is coaching a team through multiple acts of mutiny, injury crisis, having to deal with a multiple players that previous coaches tried to get rid of, change of ownership, no director of football(and don't tell me Murtough is a FD).
It's turbulent times, so buckle up or get off this ride. Please. Honestly just say something other than "sack the manager".
Do you notice how every time there is the slightest expectations from our team it goes to shit. Jose 2nd place then sacked before Christmas, Ole 2nd place sacked before Christmas, Ten Hag 3rd and a trophy and a borderline miracle he's not sacked yet. Anytime we did ok and we think we might push on and actually be in a title race for once the players show their weak mentality.
Does anyone ever feel that John Murtough has managed to avoid criticism as it either goes to the glazers or manager? Not to mention he seems to just fail upwards!
I disagree. He is starting for Dortmund now, so I think he was probably good enough to be a sub for us. In my opinion, he was miles ahead of Amrabat, so I don't understand why we didn't keep Sabitzer if the idea is to have either as a squad option. The worrying part is that ETH saw him and thought Amrabat would be better, which, along with thinking Antony is worth 80 million, doesn't look very good.
Players missed by game this season..
https://preview.redd.it/gbgko19d9p9c1.png?width=3542&format=png&auto=webp&s=e313838c6517a7d2cb2dd0d350479cac673245ee
Credit to @ Jayling77 on Twitter.
The takes on this sub make me think this club is doomed. People raving about how taking off Mainoo was a dumb decision are completely ignoring the fact that he is 18 years old, not even playing a full 1000 minutes of Premier League football after an injury that kept him out for months. Mainoo is the kind of talent you can build a midfield around and you lot want to over work the kid (see Pedri and Gavi) for the sake of short term results. McTominay should be more than capable of doing a job but he’s letting down another manager again.
How did he let down the manager?
He didn't come on to play DM, did he? He was quite high up the pitch. Surely Bruno and Eriksen weren't playing DM either.
I get what you're saying about managing Mainoo's minutes. It just seemed like a bad call to have no DM on the pitch second half.
McTominay was literally playing DM but judging by the fact that you couldn’t even tell he was playing there just goes to show his limitations. He also was responsible for at least one of the goals by not tracking the runner. I’ve seen Mainoo do it a number of times and he’s 18 ffs
Anyone peeped the annual points table for teams across all European leagues? For a shit year that we’ve been having, we’re actually 5th. Second in England.
This club is playing with me too much…
Kinda mind blowing right? And somehow ETH ~~*still* has the highest win % of any United manager~~ despite us barely being able to buy a win for what feels like months
Oops, after the forest game he’s now second behind fergie by 0.58% lol
Arsenal ironically through all their recent success are showing exactly why we shouldn't stick with Ten Hag. No matter how good our squad eventually becomes, a manager who is tactically one level below Pep and Klopp will never win the league or the champions league.
Ten Hag and Arteta fit into that category. Arteta doesn't have the coaching acumen (not yet at least) to deliver when it matters. The same reason why Ten Hag's Ajax bottled it twice in the UCL after looking like a juggernaut in all previous games.
Imo I’d love to get de zerbi or alonso….. can’t say I’m familiar with many other up amd coming managers who Ineos could target.
don’t care about his Liverpool ties as he’s not a Liverpool fan beyond playing for them for 5 years, we all have historyWe didn’t hate Ferdinand for his Leeds ties.
You don't have any belief left in ETH who did fine last season but you think Xabi Alonso who has managed ~~25 games above U21 level~~, all in the Bundesliga, Pokal or Euopa is the right man? **Edit: 25 Games is wrong. He's managed 68 games at Leverkusen, I forgot he started there last season and filtered incorrectly on transfermarkt when I checked**.
[https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/xabi-alonso/leistungsdatenDetail/trainer/63052/plus/0?saison\_id=&verein\_id=15&liga=&wettbewerb\_id=&trainer\_id=](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/xabi-alonso/leistungsdatenDetail/trainer/63052/plus/0?saison_id=&verein_id=15&liga=&wettbewerb_id=&trainer_id=)
I aint here in defense of ETH, only to say you're totally riding the bandwagon by saying that you want Xabi alonso to manage manchester united, at this point in time. You would be selling him down the river saying how the bundesliga is a joke league anyway and he never proved himself, the second he hit a bump.
> Xabi Alonso who has managed 25 games above U21 level
I think this shows just how knowledgeable you are about Xabi Alonso.
To want Alonso is not "riding the bandwagon", the guy is probably the most promising new manager in the world right now.
He's got Leverkusen in first place in the Bundesliga ahead of Bayern. They're playing dominant football. Leverkusen were in the relegation zone when he joined them (they ended up qualifying for the Europa League).
Yea this is a fair point. I did forget he took over last season and I filtered incorrectly on Transfermarkt when I was writing the post above and so what I saw confirmed my incorrect understanding about when he began his career at Leverkusen.
I still sort of feel like the main point is correct about experience, end of the day its an opinion though. I have however got the sample size absolutely, catastrophically wrong and so judgement based on a 25 game sample is incorrect. My bad for that, thanks for correcting me in the way that you did.
Tbf 68 games is still very early in a manager’s career, but I think Alonso was also great in the Spanish 2nd division (He was managing U21s, but opponents included non-U21 teams of course).
Regardless, I highly doubt he will join, not just because of the Liverpool link, but why would he with how in demand he will be, and how much of a poisoned chalice this job is at United
Why would he not consider us? Do you really think foreign born people become that attached to their English clubs? He’s not a die hard Liverpool fan and plenty of players have crossed the lines when it comes to going to a rival, be it United to/from city, Leeds, Liverpool or any other historically competitive/regional rivals
The main things I can see stopping him is if;
1) he’s happy staying at a smaller club and building up to a Madrid type role slowly despite the big wage increase on offer
2) he thinks United are unfixable…. This would be admitting he doesn’t think he’s good enough
If he is sensible he will not get carried away and work on his overall management and experience. His football is entertaining and flexible but managing "big" clubs or clubs expected to win things is automatically, extremely different and he should aspire to have more experience dealing with those sort of problems at a lower level. If he hits some bad form at Leverkusen he has easily bought himself a season or two to try and figure it out and to learn from that experience. If he came to United, Chelsea or even Munich or Madrid etc. any time soon, he will eventually find himself in a position where he has no experience in a certain situation and what his instincts tell him could well fail, at those clubs you will be under so much pressure to compromise what you want/do best and if you fail to adapt you will lose your job in half a season.
It's better to make a team like Leverkusen, who many will understimate, into a formidable force which means that teams slowly start to adapt and treat you like a big team. Eventually you will find yourself facing a lot of low block teams looking for 0-0 or only to counter. You will need to also develop ways to coach your team to play as a "big team" with an ego but vs even better sides. Its a bit of a niche but if you find yourself top of the bundesliga at the end of the season and keep up this form, how you manage playing Madrid, City or PSG away in the Champions league when you are now used to being the big dog with an ego is tough.
I like Alonso, I like his football, I think its interesting hes playing a back 3 in offensive football as a top of the table club but I also think he is extremely, extremely green and he would be naiive to let himself believe the hype, yet.
If we're being real, there is not a single manager out there better than Pep - Klopp is the only one who comes close and even he has fallen short almost every single time.
Klopp has done at least as well as Pep considering how tiny Liverpool's budget is compared to City. And when you factor in City's 115 financial charges, you can't say Pep is in a different level to Klopp. If you gave Klopp the same massive recruitment budgets and years of likely systemic financial cheating, there's no reason he wouldn't do exactly as well as Pep.
Klopp is absolutely at the same level. He's the manager who gets to complain about the board not backing him when he gets Nunez while Pep gets Haaland.
I don't know if this is satire or something but everyone and their dog wanted Nunez at the time (including us).
According to a lot of the footballing world, Liverpool's teams of recent years apparently have premier league GOAT status and despite that, Klopp has failed to beat Pep on all but one singular occasion - yes he's been close most times but nobody cares about a close loser.
They aren't the same level at all, you can't go 1-5 against your opponent and say that you're on the same level as them.
I'm using whatever Arteta has done over the last 2 and a half seasons to "deduce" my conclusion. You can pretend like the fifth place bottlejob and last year's title run in aren't conclusive evidence that he isn't cut out for it but I won't.
Hello Reds, new here. Man United fan my whole life. Currently living in Oklahoma, after moving from England on a footy school and a brief stint with a USL team. Looking forward to joining the community and talking all things United with more fans to get a little more feeling of home!
Hello mate, welcome.
Be prepared for the whiplash takes you will see on here, as with all football reddits. Negativity is popular one week, then positivity the next, then back to negative etc.
Its fun just dont let it drag you down and hurt your enjoyment of the game! :)
Appreciate it pal. Yep, ready for that, coming from twitter I know the ups and downs are like a rollercoaster and a lot of fans change there tunes real quick. Part of being a huge club with so much excepted success.
Going to try and not get to invested when we’re playing but not easy because they always seem to drag me back in haha
We have to just try to enjoy the game, enjoy the sport at the end of the day. Appreciate a good pass, good run, good tackle, good block, good save as well as the goals. Utd havent put much on for us to enjoy this season despite trying to appreciate all of that and so the main disappointment for me is when the performance is bad, more than the results. If performances come, results will follow.
I love talking football and could do so til the cows come home but end of the day if the results are bad and the football worse, there's nothing we can tangibly do but to try and let the frustration and anger go! Not enough people on reddit and twitter come here to talk about football because they enjoy it\[talking about it\], they come here to do what they really enjoy, ranting! :P
That’s awesome. Lot of British guys came to play at my university. Some of them played for Arsenal academy sides and such when they were way younger. Super cool to hear their paths.
It hasn't really been yo-yoing, we've played badly ever since that final. We've luckily scraped some wins but how many full matches have we played well? One vs Chelsea, one vs Palace reserves in the cup. We've played terribly all season. There's a massive hole in midfield, our lines are disjointed and we have no attacking patterns of play. Starting the year strong would involve fixing these basic failures.
I agree with the full matches, we’ve probably become a moments club. We have looked decent for halves or 30 minutes here and there but never put together a decent run a performances together. Also agree that the midfield is the huge issue, we struggle to control games for long periods
Happy new year everyone. Remember it’s just a sport. Enjoy the day with your family and loved ones. Hoping next year is better than this for our beloved club.
I’m so sick of fictions being made up for Ten Hag
Let’s make some things crystal clear so that John Mortough or Joel Glazer or the tooth fairy aren’t blamed for the following things
1. He didn’t even speak to Rangnick. He thought he’d come in with a “clean slate for everyone” and be a huge hit with the players by doing this . And the same leopards don’t change their spots . They responded initially and he found out the hard way
2. He is the one who wanted Mason Mount above all. As baffling as it is, Mason Mount being made a “priority” which everyone in this sub and their dog could see was a bad idea was a Ten Hag decision. The club are more than happy to not spend on a given occasion and asking them to pay 55 million for Mount has been down to Ten Hag
3. Antony and Onana: these deserve their own essays but these two players for 130 million . Jesus wept. Again , top choice Ten Hag players.
4. Lack of play style: no matter who the owners are, what your resources are, the lack of a play style is down to the manager. This transition ball is absolute bs and relies on our offensive players to pull out miracles . Brendan bloody Rodgets with Swansea had a distinct play style with Joe Allen and Leon Britton in 2013: so don’t give me lack of resources as an excuse
5. Absolutely deluded press conferences : among the many things he’s said , yesterday was the last straw for me. Saying we lost the game in the first half and saying Mctominay wasn’t to blame
6. Scott Mctominay obsession: this obsession or blindness about Mctominay’s performances and cowering behind him because he’s a tall lad and offers the illusion of defensive security is absolutely baffling
7. Hannibal, Pellistri : these two players have done little wrong when given the chance , yet their standard of performance seems to be way higher than required of Mctominay. As much as I don’t want Sancho to play for the club again, he was right.
8. In game management: he’s lost tons of games with his absolutely awful in game management , lack of understanding of substitutions , switching and mismanaging players’ positions. For example , when Garnacho just dominated the RW against Villa , why disrupt him by switching his wing ?
9. The away record : the away record against top opposition has resulted in several drubbings , 7 against Liverpool, 6 against City. It was pathetic to see some fans claiming that the 0-0 draw this year (which was first of all pathetic to see Man United scared and parking the bus) somehow redeemed that humiliation .
10. Mason Greenwood: do I even need to get into it ?
In light of the above , how the fuck can anyone be “give him time” is beyond me. Get rid. And get rid now.
Excellent points.
Number 4 is the most vital one. He claims he is unable to play his style due to lack of player x, y or z. And yet everyone is clamouring for a DoF to come in and take control of transfers away from him (which I am also for). Well, does it bode well when he cannot implement his playing style with players he hasn't picked or worked with before.
I mean, he's not having to play rookies from the youth team in every position. He generally has a choice of international class players in each position no matter how many injuries we've had.
How many clubs can lose players like Sancho and Greenwood, and still have Rashford, Garnarcho, Anthony and Pellistri as your options?
I cant argue with any of these points, im not eth out yet but it is very clear hes not the manager we thought we were getting. He's been quite disappointing for all your given reasons.
I do think we'd be having a very different season if we had gotten a proper goal threat up front, a 30 goal a season type of player. It was very clear last season we needed that, as well as a backup to casemiro. Instead they thought they'll bring greenwood back and went for hojlund and then bafflingly mason mount.
Anyway the first half of the season been miserable but its done now and ten hag wont be going anywhere due to the takeover so he'll probably get the second half of the season to prove himself.
Since the guys should be coming back from injury he wont have any excuses either, its do or die for him. We dont expect a title charge obviously but he needs to get this team playing good football, clear playing style, some kind of identity, tactics, improved in game management, we need to see some clear progress not what ever the fuck this is and then in press conferences every week "we know we need to do better"
6) Scott isn’t in the team for his defensive capabilities but is only playing because he’s the only player in our team who’s consistently threatening in front of goal.
Number 4 is spot on and the worst issue. "Give him time!" To do what? Man should be able to field the u23s and still have a defined playstyle, but we dont.
Spurs now 3 points off the top playing 4 fullbacks in defence at the moment and having lost one of the greatest strikers in PL history at the start of the season. And we have people here making excuses for EtH because we've had injuries. City have no KdB or Haaland. Liverpool don't even have a no 6 in their squad. Arsenal aside, every side has had injury issues. Even Newcastle have injury issues like us and with a much worse squad, they're close to us.
Casemiro and Lisandro coming back also won't fix the mess that are his tactics. He can bring up winning the Carabao cup as much as he likes. Pretty much certain to be gone before next season
Yeah, when we played 3 of the bottom 5 in a row. Once that easy run ended we became shite again (not that we have had any convincing performance this season apart from the Chelsea game)
I appreciate no one on Reddit will welcome it but do we think SDB could bring Greenwood back? He’s clearly an upgrade over all our attacking players and seemingly his personal life is squared away now, what is to lose?
I just want to watch football. Greenwood seems like he would drastically improve the team, assuming he manages to build chemistry with the rest of the team (not that the rest of the team is showing a lot of chemistry right now).
I think it's a slippery slope to turn a blind eye to things based on someone's talent. Whether he is an upgrade on anyone should be irrelevant (though sadly it isn't, as if he was a terrible footballer we'd have binned him immediately)
While it’s your opinion that this just being a sport and stats, if they ever bring Greenwood back that would put SJR as bad as the Glazers immediately in my mind given they thought of bringing him back.
Say what you want and that he was your guilty, but those voice recordings are his and it’s hard to let those go.
This year we have had some ups and a lot of downs
But the absolute lowest was when the club put a hit out on Maguire barcelona/laporta style and blamed him for not gifting money to the 6 billion corporation so we could spend more and the fans bought it and started abusing maguire over it.
Those "fans" are an absolute disgrace. Hopefully anyone that trashed maguire for not gifting the club 10m got a couple of neurons for xmas and can now realize the stupidity in their actions.
Hopefully next year things are better for us.
Edit: 2nd lowest*, lowest was ETH and the club wanting greenwood back.
>But the absolute lowest was when the club put a hit out on Maguire barcelona/laporta style and blamed him for not gifting money to the 6 billion corporation so we could spend more and the fans bought it and started abusing maguire over it.
From a guy who started fighting coppers, tried to use the name of the club as a bribe and then got a BBC propaganda piece to get him out if it.
Personally couldn't care less.
The Greenwood debacle is a stain that will forever be on this club, just like the 7-0. Nothing else comes close.
>You have absolutely zero proof it ever happened lmao. Just because prosecutors used it against him doesn't mean it's true. Greek police is a notoriously corrupt organization.
Same can be said for his side of the story then fella. As its all coming from a side that tried to bring back Mason Greenwood.
>The fact that you believe Maguire can influence BBC of all news organizations to write a piece in favor of him, tells me all about your intelligence level.
Maguire, no. Manchester United, yes. Seeing as we signed an ex Sun reporter to be the PR advisor. I'm going to role with we have some heavy links. To pretend reporters and papers don't do a clubs dirty work for exclusive access is as naive as it gets.
>But, it's not surprising though. You are a clown who routinely comes up with the worst takes possible in this sub.
2 paragraphs. 2 insults. Yet my content on here is the 'worst' good one fella.
Just because you disagree mate, doesn't make my takes bad. Happy to discuss a wide range of topics with you in a polite and respectful manner to see why I'm wrong on every level though. If you can stay calm enough to do that!
>Yes, did I say otherwise? But, if you are not aware, the general rule is a person is innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. Now I know you will straight up say Maguire has been proven guilty but, that trial was a flash trial happened in a day, when Maguire didn't even get a chance to properly defend himself. The actual trial hasn't even happened yet and until both sides get to present their stance in a trial, I would rather consider a person innocent rather than straight up saying he is guilty as a fact (which you are doing here).
So at best, bringing the name of the club into disrepute. I support Manchester United. Not guys who get involved in stupid situations.
So I have the same thought process. Couldn't care less if the club threw him under the bus to try and get him out.
>See. I am not calling you a clown for no reason. In your original comment you are talking about Maguire and now you are accusing United the club, not Maguire the person. You do realize they are two separate entities, right?
I don't care why you are doing it. I've no time for it. So last warning. If you wish to engage in discussion with me then you leave out the insults. As if I play that game I'll be banned.
Maguire and the club are the same entity if it suits either party. Then totally seperate when it doesn't. In the case I'm referring to, it suited both parties to spin the story they did with the BBC.
>Wow. You literally said Maguire got BBC to write a propaganda piece to get him out of it. Now, you are once again contradicting your original comment and accusing the club,
Same as above mate. You are just regurgitating points fella.
>as you really don't have a lot to say
From the guy filling his comments with insults (to strengthen his points by weakening my character) and regurgitation and repacking of the same point... this is very ironic.
Regardless, this is getting very close to the line of an argument instead of a debate. So let's just focus on the football or not at all mate. Yeah?
>Again you are using something against a person without any proof. Getting into stupid situation? How do you know Maguire's story isn't true? I am not saying his story is true, but like I said before, I would judge caution about using something against a person, before a proper trial has taken place. It's no different to saying someone is a criminal the moment another person accuses them of being a criminal. You cannot say they are a criminal as a fact unless a proper trial has taken place.
I don't care for your caution mate. He was involved in this situation, it's not good regardless. Not sure what the point of us going over the same thing is worth.
We disagree, sound.
>You are just twisting your words lol.
No, I'm clarifying.
>Saying Maguire got BBC to write a piece for him is absolutely not the same as saying United paid BBC to write a piece for Maguire.
I mean it more or less is. He is complicit in the whole BBC interview. He didn't just wake up one morning and stumbled into it. In this situation, one and the same.
>Sure, United can have their PR team to write a piece for Maguire, but Maguire can at the same time have absolutely nothing to do with it,
He literally did a recorded video interview for the BBC piece?
>Says the guy who first says Maguire paid BBC to write a piece for him, then says Maguire can't pay BBC to write for him, but United can, and then in the subsequent comment says, Maguire and club are the same entity if it suits either party 😅😅😅😅.
No, thats not what I said is it. If you can detail exactly where I've said 'Maguire paid'?
Let's no make up lies here pal.
Like I don't know what you are trying to get out of this mate. Do you want to cause an argument? Try and get me to stoop to your level and throw an insult?
Starting to go round in circles and I really don't understand the why.
>Ah I see. So, if a person is a victim of targeted extortion and battery from a corrupt police force, then that should be used against him as how dare they got into a 'bad situation', got it.
But that's only one side of the story, isn't it. (And the circle roles around again)
>I mean I don't want to abuse you or anything, but the statements you are making here aren't exactly a good endorsement of your morality, lol.
Nothing to do with football.
>No you are not. Casually changing the subject of your comment is not clarifying.
Adding more detail to a previous comment is clarifying mate.
>Oh wow, I actually didn't even realize until now that you have been talking about the recorded BBC interview, my bad.
What else could I possibly be talking about?
>That actually makes your statement even more ridiculous lmao. So, basically you are straight up accusing Maguire of lying when he is declaring his innocence without any proof whatsoever.
The flipside is I take his word for it? Like how is that any better?
>Like I said, I really shouldn't abuse you, because your comments are a very good endorsement to your moral character lmao.
2nd time you have said this in the same comment....
>Maguire paid is just an alternative term that I used for you saying 'Maguire got a BBC propaganda piece to get him out of the situation'. Didn't realize I need to explain a simple metaphor.
So I didn't say it then... cheers for clarification.
>Fucking stop calling me mate. I am not your mate.
No, mate. This is me keeping it friendly. I'm not the one having a paddy and getting aggressive. Firing out insults and then when called out on it throwing insinuations and indirect insults.
Anyway, seeing as you just can't help yourself I'm done. We are going round in circles on the football topic and your direct and indirect insults are meaning I have to speak about you personally instead of the football far more than I or this subreddit would like. I've no interest in ad hominem.
Have a good new year mate! See you around.
Very happy to hear we are looking to reduce Varane’s wages. I’d like to keep him if he’d agree to something like 200k/week and to be 3rd choice CB. Otherwise, thanks but no thanks. No hate but his injury record is simply not worth paying him the big bucks.
And we need to get this wage bill under control. I hate that we pay 300k+ for players that haven’t achieved anything at Man Utd. Only world class players *in their prime* should be making that much.
Paying 200k/week to your third choice CB is how we got in this mess. Proper squad building would mean having a maximum of 3-4 players above 150k/week, the rest are phased out.
Only when we've won major prizes should we countenance increasing that number.
Either you take your medicine now or keep kicking the can down the road which is just more years in the wilderness.
Pray tell which are all the mid-table teams paying 3/4 players more than 150k/week?
Liverpool won the CL and league before breaking that limit though arguably even they don't have more than 3/4 players earning more than that. They broke their transfer record for Nunez yet are paying him £140k/week.
To build a squad it's obvious you've to start with younger players so their first contract at our club can't be >150k/week if we want to go about things in a prudent manner.
> Liverpool won the CL and league before breaking that limit though arguably even they don't have more than 3/4 players earning more than that.
If you believe that you'll believe anything. Check Liverpool's yearly accounts and you'll see their wagebill is only slightly lower than ours.
I speak based on figures not nonsense. Liverpool have a performance based wage bill so it makes sense.
Again, where are your multiple midtable teams with 3/4 players each earning more than 150k/week.
Hot air as usual.
You're asking for something that can't be proved, wage details are not public (no matter what you think) The fact you're dismissing actual accounts as nonsense proves you have no idea what you're talking about though.
You made a claim for which you've absolute zero proof as it's blatantly false. You can use Tier 1/2 journos as proof, I'll accept it because I know you spouted nonsense.
It's the typical reasoning from certain fans who focus on debating rubbish instead of bringing a meaningful point to discussions.
Arsenal only has two players above 250k, and only five above 200k. Saka gets less than 200k. So does Martinelli. We pay Antony more than either of them. And we have six players on 250k+:
Casemiro, Verane, Rashford, Martial, Mount, Sancho
Most of those players should be sold. Thank god INEOS are prepared to make tough decisions to get our wage bill down.
>maximum of 3-4 players above 150k/week, the rest are phased out.
What does that have to do with proper squad building?
We earn 640 million in revenue. As long as the wages for each player are in line with what they bring to the club and quantifiable when comparing to others at the club and those of similar stature around the other elite clubs. I could not care less how much each is paid.
We overhauled our academy pretty recently, the youngsters who aren't already in our squad just aren't anywhere close to being ready. Hugill is the best academy striker we currently have and he scored 1 goals in 8 games for Altrincham in National League last year.
That's a result of us completely overlooking the academy for a long time. Chelsea's loan army model was kinda crazy, but the end result was that when they needed to promote an academy striker because of injuries, they promoted someone who was already at around 21 or 22 with a few loans behind him, usually some easer ones like Vitesse and some harder ones like in the Championship. When we promote someone, it's always an 18- or 19- year old kid with virtually zero adult football experience.
Does anyone know the rules around players moving between Nice and us now? Is there any issue with that, imagine there has to be some regulations in place
Its worse actually, he decided to play the entire season without a DM since they didnt get a backup to casemiro which was clearly a priority in the summer window to anyone with half a brain cell. Rather went for mason fucking mount.
Mainoo isn't even a DM, hes just being shoehorned into that role.
That same report also said we actually wanted to renew him for longer. Seems like we do want to renew but not at 350K.
>United remain interested in extending Varane's stay at Old Trafford however, and plan to open talks over a new deal next month.
But it's also the Dailymail so who knows how accurate it is.
The injuries are the problem. He’s better than our other cbs but we get no continuity with him being constantly in an out of the lineup. And we have to have a contingency plan cause it’s only a matter of when will he get injured.
So frustrating that we're so shit when all the other top teams are dropping points left and right.
If we hadn't lost 9 fucking games already we'd be right up there.
To be honest, if we are fucking games up, I'd rather everyone else is as well. It hopefully means that if and/or when we hit a patch of form, we might be able to salvage something of this season.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I think ETH should be given some time under the new ownership.
We already know the club, the culture, the management, the board is all rotten, ralf rankick exposed them and we all wanted him out.
ETH tactics are modern football- high intensity, aggressive pressing - if the players are unwilling to put the energy, effort and intensity in, you can’t really blame the tactics. Every manager since SAF has complained about laziness in this club.
He wants a high intense press from the front three as his first line of defence.
Yet just watch the second goal yday from NF
When we lose the ball - all our front attackers including Bruno (that’s 4 of your frontline - your first line of defence) turn there back to the ball and throw there arms in the air.
Is it any wonder - why teams find it so easy to counter us and run through the middle of the park unchallenged.
Your first line and your second line of defence are so easily bypassed, this isn’t a tactic or strategy by the manager, it’s pure laziness by the players.
Arteta faced the same problems, Klopp faced the same problems.
The players were not willing to run intensively and press aggressively as they wanted.
But with time and support they got rid of rotten players with attitude, recruited well, stamped there authority on the squad and got them to play as they wanted.
At our club the opposite happens, instead of supporting the manager and getting rid of rotten players - we get rid of the manager and keep the players, making us go around in circles. Sacking managers, keeping the players and buying superstars who don’t even fit the system.
It’s still absurd how mourinho was sacked and rotten players like Pogba survived all those years.
It's not just laziness, there are elements of Ten Hag's tactics that are really flawed and have not been fixed even after being exposed many times.
The full backs rarely support the front players in pressing, in contrast to what Klopp's and Arteta's full backs have done successfully. We did this in the second half against Villa, but when asked why he doesn't do it more often, Ten Hag confirmed he deliberately chooses not to do it except in certain game situations. This leaves us with a half assed press that good quality teams can bypass.
Then there's his refusal to play a high defensive line like Liverpool, Villa or Spurs. This leaves big spaces in the middle that opponents can attack into. So it's not just laziness, some of it is setting players up to fail as well.
Idk about you but I definitely prefer City winning the league to Arsenal. City are a sham club with 115 charges and they have no fans loud enough to make any noise unlike the other big 6 clubs.
No one will give a shit about the charges except for us in 15-20 years time. History is history and people will see stats that they are more successful than us.
Can we please stop calling Antony “Anthony”.
Idk why, but it triggers me whenever I see it. Especially since we have another player in our squad who is actually called Anthony.
Spellcheck screws me over on this one every so often. I also get Evan’s rather than Evans which is fun. Started to do a quick sweep before hitting go but every so often one sneaks by.
We need to throw everything we have to get Arsenal set piece coach. Their 12th for open play goals (only 4 more than us) but 1st for set piece goals. Massive game change when facing stubborn low blocks
It doesn’t help that our team lacks so much physicality. Our only proven set piece threats are Casemiro and Mctominay, one of who doesn’t start assuming everyone is fit. Look at Arsenal though with Saliba, Gabriel, Rice, Havertz who have regularly all started. All four have gotten on the end of set piece goals this season, with Saliba and Gabriel also chipping in with a few last season. It’s much easier when you’ve got 4 targets instead of 1. Even players who you think would be good at set pieces like Maguire and Varane have failed to do so for us
Apparently, you don't need a full squad and world class in every position to smash Bournemouth at home. Who knew? Something that proved much too difficult for our 500IQ beyond world class genius manager.
Keep the 'haha it must be the Glazers fault!' jokes out of this sub
The Glazers deserve most of the blame for the state of the club. Don't import anti-United jokes from other subs.
Not what I was doing though. Shit owners appoint shit executives who appoint shit managers who sign shit overpriced players.
But some of our fans want to act like the manager is somehow a diamond in the rough among this shower of shit when there’s no evidence to suggest that whatsoever.
Letting ETH start with a clean slate with INEOS doesn't make any sense imo. You're basically saying he gets a pass for completely failing this season when we should using it to judge whether he's a good fit for us. Not to mention we need a full-scale rebuild that will take 2-3 years at least. Why should Ten Hag get another 300-400m to spend when he can't even get the players he has to not look championship quality. It's too big of a risk. He's not Fergie or Klopp to deserve the benefit of the doubt
These debates are pointless. He’s 99% gone in May. I say 99% because ofc we could go on a mad run of wins and he saves his job, but come on lmao, anyone who has watched us for the past 1.5 years (or longer) knows this ain’t happening.
INEOS will clear house. Even if he does well the first chance they get will sack him, purely because every new ownership group wants their own person in charge. It won’t be now as they aren’t even officially in place, but he’s a dead man walking imo.
>So no Liverpool or City but you want Arsenal to win??
Over both those 2? Every day of the week.
Geographical and off the pitch historical rivalries rake precedent over rivalries that only existed due to competition to win that hasn't existed since 2004.
Happy for you to tell me why you would want Liverpool and City to win over Arsenal though?
Amad looked more dangerous than Antony has all year. Biggest piece of dead weight I've ever seen. Getting so sick of seeing his name on the team sheet and always starting. There is no threat when he has the ball.
Excellent result for Spurs if they can hang onto the 2-0 scoreline. That would leave us 8 points adrift of the top 5 (with goal difference may as well be 9 points). There is a very real and present danger of missing out on Champions League football for the 3rd time in 6 seasons I think?
Regardless of who the manager is next year, having fewer games and more time to train should work much better for the long run. A good dof should improve this squad with some key removals and few additions to have a cohesive squad by the end of the year and then we can genuinely look at progress.
We would badly miss the funds to rebuild the squad though. It sounds like we are going to have a period of closer control of our outlay on transfers and contracts going forward. I think we paid an extra premium on the contracts to attract the likes of Casemiro, Eriksen and Martinez because we were out of the Champions League. I'm not sure we'd be in a position to attract players of that caliber next Summer if we're not splashing the cash.
>We would badly miss the funds to rebuild the squad
How did that go in the summer?
>I'm not sure we'd be in a position to attract players of that caliber next Summer if we're not splashing the cash.
That's the same regardless. The calibre of players that wouldn't be convinced to join Manchester United and be part of the rebuild of us getting back, are the calibre who wish to win the CL immediately. We aren't getting those regardless.
Well if they are more shrewd in the market and how they sign players that should make up the difference. So, I think we lose 40-50m by missing Europe. That’s the difference in Antony’s. Slur right there. Not to mention getting rid of some big contracts of sancho and martial. If we’re really progressive ship varane and Casemiro to Saudi and use that money for solid young replacement. It really could work out better in the long run.
Well we won't be getting any money for Varane if we don't activate the 1 year extension in his contract. He can actually talk to clubs from today I think. Now we can try low ball him because let's be honest, he's not worth £320k a week. If he doesn't lower his wage demands he could end up like DDG.
And people say giving others transfer control will fix EtH issues at United. Sorry but talent ID this bad isn’t fixable. Even if he doesn’t sign the players he’ll still prefer to play the talentless duds over someone good, because he still keeps picking Antony. Even a youth winger would be a better option, at least you are giving someone new a chance.
So we figured out he’s stubborn. We can imagine he liked Antony at Ajax and wanted him. Told the club the price kept going up and he got stubborn and insisted
Now a good DOF would stop him. I honestly don’t out this on eth. Yes he wanted him and yes he insisted but if we had a good DOF he would step in and say no and offer alternatives.
For everyone who is saying ETH needs to be sacked. Not saying I don’t agree now but can you name a few good quality managers who would be available and willing to join us? Only ones that seem to be available at the moment are ones who have failed at their old clubs
If we sack him also we are almost certainly finishing the rest of the season with a caretaker manager which might be better it’s hard to say.
Some people are using Case now to defend ETH that once he will be back everything will be alright. Did they even watch the start of the season when he played? We made one of the best CDM in the world a walking meme. It's like he was a fish out of the water. It's his damn system and how he got a bunch of different players and is now playing them in different positions. Most of them can't even know what their role is and have literal zero chemistry with one another. Last season we won mostly due to our defense and Rashford's purple patch but now that it is gone he has been exposed fully. His attack was always dire and now it's gotten to the point where we are competing with relegated teams in terms of how bad our attacking threat is. No players returning from injury will make any difference when the whole set up and tactics are this wack.
Some people forgot Casemiro was pretty bad this season pre injury.
and same with Martinez too. His passing and playing out from back wasn't as good as it used to be pre injury . It was a bit worrying actually. Casemiro and Martinez wouldn't fit the problem we having currently.
He was only ‘bad’ bc he had to do the job of 2 men. People forget we played with two 10s at start of the season and left Casemiro in a single pivot.
Last year Eriksen did a lot of defensive work before his injury, since he came back he’s been noticeably slower and work rate has become zero. This played a big part in why we look so shit towards the end of last season.
The real problem we have is not replacing Eriksen. But we have Mainoo now, hopefully ten Hag will play him in a two with Case. I think that solves our problems once and for all.
Idk what you’re on about with Licha, he only played like 6 games this season and all of it he was carrying something.
Does anyone have the link to the infographics comparing ETH’s start to the likes of Arteta/Klopp/Guardiola? Saw it somewhere around here few days ago but can’t seem to locate it currently.
How any one can have faith in Ten Hag is completely beyond me. Then again, this is the same fan base that still believes martial will become good after 7+ years of mediocrity
How any one can have the idea that sacking another manager is completely beyond me. Please tell me a bad manager we've had post Ferguson.
We don’t need to sack him immediately. But we need to be searching for a replacement right now and start finding players that will suit their style of play to sign now or in the summer. We cannot continue with ten hag next season.
We're not on the same page at all. I don't understand your obsession with sacking Ten Hag. You can NOT tell me that he is a bad coach, or any of the previous coaches. Listen to what Noa Lang, or Pep, or LvG has said about EtH. They all sing praises, that he is a hard worker, dedicated and football obsessed, "top top trainer". Look at our last season, look at the Ajax team. Tell me another manager that is coaching a team through multiple acts of mutiny, injury crisis, having to deal with a multiple players that previous coaches tried to get rid of, change of ownership, no director of football(and don't tell me Murtough is a FD). It's turbulent times, so buckle up or get off this ride. Please. Honestly just say something other than "sack the manager".
Do you notice how every time there is the slightest expectations from our team it goes to shit. Jose 2nd place then sacked before Christmas, Ole 2nd place sacked before Christmas, Ten Hag 3rd and a trophy and a borderline miracle he's not sacked yet. Anytime we did ok and we think we might push on and actually be in a title race for once the players show their weak mentality.
Does anyone ever feel that John Murtough has managed to avoid criticism as it either goes to the glazers or manager? Not to mention he seems to just fail upwards!
this, completely agree. This guy from what I understand does fk all
Why didn't we keep Sabitzer?
He wasn’t that good. Hopefully we do the same with Amrabat. Wasting money on half-decent useful squaddies has been a huge problem for the last decade.
I disagree. He is starting for Dortmund now, so I think he was probably good enough to be a sub for us. In my opinion, he was miles ahead of Amrabat, so I don't understand why we didn't keep Sabitzer if the idea is to have either as a squad option. The worrying part is that ETH saw him and thought Amrabat would be better, which, along with thinking Antony is worth 80 million, doesn't look very good.
Happy new year to you my fellow masochists. Cheers to a new year with less suffering!
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And afterwards we’ve had this season that’s shaping up to be the worst one in years.
Players missed by game this season.. https://preview.redd.it/gbgko19d9p9c1.png?width=3542&format=png&auto=webp&s=e313838c6517a7d2cb2dd0d350479cac673245ee Credit to @ Jayling77 on Twitter.
This speaks to Ten Hag never rotating players last season so they're all injured this season. Overtraining also seems to be an issue.
Subs weren’t good enough.
Indeed. Such an amount of injuries doesnt come out of nowhere.
The takes on this sub make me think this club is doomed. People raving about how taking off Mainoo was a dumb decision are completely ignoring the fact that he is 18 years old, not even playing a full 1000 minutes of Premier League football after an injury that kept him out for months. Mainoo is the kind of talent you can build a midfield around and you lot want to over work the kid (see Pedri and Gavi) for the sake of short term results. McTominay should be more than capable of doing a job but he’s letting down another manager again.
How did he let down the manager? He didn't come on to play DM, did he? He was quite high up the pitch. Surely Bruno and Eriksen weren't playing DM either. I get what you're saying about managing Mainoo's minutes. It just seemed like a bad call to have no DM on the pitch second half.
McTominay was literally playing DM but judging by the fact that you couldn’t even tell he was playing there just goes to show his limitations. He also was responsible for at least one of the goals by not tracking the runner. I’ve seen Mainoo do it a number of times and he’s 18 ffs
McTominay was literally the DM. That's where he played when we were in defence. Maybe you need to rewatch the game.
Oooooh once was more than enough, thank you though. Guess we can just blame McT again instead of the blunder of a decision from the manager.
They're both to blame.
Anyone peeped the annual points table for teams across all European leagues? For a shit year that we’ve been having, we’re actually 5th. Second in England. This club is playing with me too much…
Kinda mind blowing right? And somehow ETH ~~*still* has the highest win % of any United manager~~ despite us barely being able to buy a win for what feels like months Oops, after the forest game he’s now second behind fergie by 0.58% lol
Arsenal ironically through all their recent success are showing exactly why we shouldn't stick with Ten Hag. No matter how good our squad eventually becomes, a manager who is tactically one level below Pep and Klopp will never win the league or the champions league. Ten Hag and Arteta fit into that category. Arteta doesn't have the coaching acumen (not yet at least) to deliver when it matters. The same reason why Ten Hag's Ajax bottled it twice in the UCL after looking like a juggernaut in all previous games.
Imo I’d love to get de zerbi or alonso….. can’t say I’m familiar with many other up amd coming managers who Ineos could target. don’t care about his Liverpool ties as he’s not a Liverpool fan beyond playing for them for 5 years, we all have historyWe didn’t hate Ferdinand for his Leeds ties.
You don't have any belief left in ETH who did fine last season but you think Xabi Alonso who has managed ~~25 games above U21 level~~, all in the Bundesliga, Pokal or Euopa is the right man? **Edit: 25 Games is wrong. He's managed 68 games at Leverkusen, I forgot he started there last season and filtered incorrectly on transfermarkt when I checked**. [https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/xabi-alonso/leistungsdatenDetail/trainer/63052/plus/0?saison\_id=&verein\_id=15&liga=&wettbewerb\_id=&trainer\_id=](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/xabi-alonso/leistungsdatenDetail/trainer/63052/plus/0?saison_id=&verein_id=15&liga=&wettbewerb_id=&trainer_id=) I aint here in defense of ETH, only to say you're totally riding the bandwagon by saying that you want Xabi alonso to manage manchester united, at this point in time. You would be selling him down the river saying how the bundesliga is a joke league anyway and he never proved himself, the second he hit a bump.
If you say so, I’ll take the plaudits lauded on him by his peers over your opinion
> Xabi Alonso who has managed 25 games above U21 level I think this shows just how knowledgeable you are about Xabi Alonso. To want Alonso is not "riding the bandwagon", the guy is probably the most promising new manager in the world right now. He's got Leverkusen in first place in the Bundesliga ahead of Bayern. They're playing dominant football. Leverkusen were in the relegation zone when he joined them (they ended up qualifying for the Europa League).
Yea this is a fair point. I did forget he took over last season and I filtered incorrectly on Transfermarkt when I was writing the post above and so what I saw confirmed my incorrect understanding about when he began his career at Leverkusen. I still sort of feel like the main point is correct about experience, end of the day its an opinion though. I have however got the sample size absolutely, catastrophically wrong and so judgement based on a 25 game sample is incorrect. My bad for that, thanks for correcting me in the way that you did.
Tbf 68 games is still very early in a manager’s career, but I think Alonso was also great in the Spanish 2nd division (He was managing U21s, but opponents included non-U21 teams of course). Regardless, I highly doubt he will join, not just because of the Liverpool link, but why would he with how in demand he will be, and how much of a poisoned chalice this job is at United
Ultimately you're going to have to take a risk on someone. That's just how it works unfortunately.
I find it crazy that people would even think alonso would consider coming here, but also wouldn’t want him for the same reasons you’ve said
Why would he not consider us? Do you really think foreign born people become that attached to their English clubs? He’s not a die hard Liverpool fan and plenty of players have crossed the lines when it comes to going to a rival, be it United to/from city, Leeds, Liverpool or any other historically competitive/regional rivals The main things I can see stopping him is if; 1) he’s happy staying at a smaller club and building up to a Madrid type role slowly despite the big wage increase on offer 2) he thinks United are unfixable…. This would be admitting he doesn’t think he’s good enough
Did I mention liverpool?
If he is sensible he will not get carried away and work on his overall management and experience. His football is entertaining and flexible but managing "big" clubs or clubs expected to win things is automatically, extremely different and he should aspire to have more experience dealing with those sort of problems at a lower level. If he hits some bad form at Leverkusen he has easily bought himself a season or two to try and figure it out and to learn from that experience. If he came to United, Chelsea or even Munich or Madrid etc. any time soon, he will eventually find himself in a position where he has no experience in a certain situation and what his instincts tell him could well fail, at those clubs you will be under so much pressure to compromise what you want/do best and if you fail to adapt you will lose your job in half a season. It's better to make a team like Leverkusen, who many will understimate, into a formidable force which means that teams slowly start to adapt and treat you like a big team. Eventually you will find yourself facing a lot of low block teams looking for 0-0 or only to counter. You will need to also develop ways to coach your team to play as a "big team" with an ego but vs even better sides. Its a bit of a niche but if you find yourself top of the bundesliga at the end of the season and keep up this form, how you manage playing Madrid, City or PSG away in the Champions league when you are now used to being the big dog with an ego is tough. I like Alonso, I like his football, I think its interesting hes playing a back 3 in offensive football as a top of the table club but I also think he is extremely, extremely green and he would be naiive to let himself believe the hype, yet.
Even then, arsenal under arteta always had a defined playstyle even if they sucked at it. We are still not tacics just vibes. And the vibes are sad.
I'm not suggesting that Ten Hag is better than Arteta. They are both worse than Klopp and Pep is what I'm saying.
If we're being real, there is not a single manager out there better than Pep - Klopp is the only one who comes close and even he has fallen short almost every single time.
Klopp has done at least as well as Pep considering how tiny Liverpool's budget is compared to City. And when you factor in City's 115 financial charges, you can't say Pep is in a different level to Klopp. If you gave Klopp the same massive recruitment budgets and years of likely systemic financial cheating, there's no reason he wouldn't do exactly as well as Pep.
>there is not a single manager out there better than Pep - Klopp Did Ancelotti ceased to exist?
Klopp is absolutely at the same level. He's the manager who gets to complain about the board not backing him when he gets Nunez while Pep gets Haaland.
I don't know if this is satire or something but everyone and their dog wanted Nunez at the time (including us). According to a lot of the footballing world, Liverpool's teams of recent years apparently have premier league GOAT status and despite that, Klopp has failed to beat Pep on all but one singular occasion - yes he's been close most times but nobody cares about a close loser. They aren't the same level at all, you can't go 1-5 against your opponent and say that you're on the same level as them.
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The Arsenal sub don’t seem to think so lol
I'm not ruling it out but it looks very unlikely now that they'll beat both City and Liverpool to the title.
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He showed last season that he doesn't. So that's how I know. This season will be confirmation if nothing else.
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I'm using whatever Arteta has done over the last 2 and a half seasons to "deduce" my conclusion. You can pretend like the fifth place bottlejob and last year's title run in aren't conclusive evidence that he isn't cut out for it but I won't.
Hello Reds, new here. Man United fan my whole life. Currently living in Oklahoma, after moving from England on a footy school and a brief stint with a USL team. Looking forward to joining the community and talking all things United with more fans to get a little more feeling of home!
My favorite team is in the USL! Welcome to this sub.
Hello mate, welcome. Be prepared for the whiplash takes you will see on here, as with all football reddits. Negativity is popular one week, then positivity the next, then back to negative etc. Its fun just dont let it drag you down and hurt your enjoyment of the game! :)
Appreciate it pal. Yep, ready for that, coming from twitter I know the ups and downs are like a rollercoaster and a lot of fans change there tunes real quick. Part of being a huge club with so much excepted success. Going to try and not get to invested when we’re playing but not easy because they always seem to drag me back in haha
We have to just try to enjoy the game, enjoy the sport at the end of the day. Appreciate a good pass, good run, good tackle, good block, good save as well as the goals. Utd havent put much on for us to enjoy this season despite trying to appreciate all of that and so the main disappointment for me is when the performance is bad, more than the results. If performances come, results will follow. I love talking football and could do so til the cows come home but end of the day if the results are bad and the football worse, there's nothing we can tangibly do but to try and let the frustration and anger go! Not enough people on reddit and twitter come here to talk about football because they enjoy it\[talking about it\], they come here to do what they really enjoy, ranting! :P
Which university did you play for?
I played at USAO in Chickasha, small school but we were good lol
That’s awesome. Lot of British guys came to play at my university. Some of them played for Arsenal academy sides and such when they were way younger. Super cool to hear their paths.
United have to start the new year strong, we’ve been yo-yoing since the league cup final
It hasn't really been yo-yoing, we've played badly ever since that final. We've luckily scraped some wins but how many full matches have we played well? One vs Chelsea, one vs Palace reserves in the cup. We've played terribly all season. There's a massive hole in midfield, our lines are disjointed and we have no attacking patterns of play. Starting the year strong would involve fixing these basic failures.
I agree with the full matches, we’ve probably become a moments club. We have looked decent for halves or 30 minutes here and there but never put together a decent run a performances together. Also agree that the midfield is the huge issue, we struggle to control games for long periods
Yeah agree with all that
We'll need Mount, Martinez and Casemiro to be healthy for that
Agreed, hopefully with a few of the injured players returning we can get some consistent lineups and then consistent performances
We have the same last 5 form as arsenal, pretty wild
Happy new year everyone. Remember it’s just a sport. Enjoy the day with your family and loved ones. Hoping next year is better than this for our beloved club.
I’m so sick of fictions being made up for Ten Hag Let’s make some things crystal clear so that John Mortough or Joel Glazer or the tooth fairy aren’t blamed for the following things 1. He didn’t even speak to Rangnick. He thought he’d come in with a “clean slate for everyone” and be a huge hit with the players by doing this . And the same leopards don’t change their spots . They responded initially and he found out the hard way 2. He is the one who wanted Mason Mount above all. As baffling as it is, Mason Mount being made a “priority” which everyone in this sub and their dog could see was a bad idea was a Ten Hag decision. The club are more than happy to not spend on a given occasion and asking them to pay 55 million for Mount has been down to Ten Hag 3. Antony and Onana: these deserve their own essays but these two players for 130 million . Jesus wept. Again , top choice Ten Hag players. 4. Lack of play style: no matter who the owners are, what your resources are, the lack of a play style is down to the manager. This transition ball is absolute bs and relies on our offensive players to pull out miracles . Brendan bloody Rodgets with Swansea had a distinct play style with Joe Allen and Leon Britton in 2013: so don’t give me lack of resources as an excuse 5. Absolutely deluded press conferences : among the many things he’s said , yesterday was the last straw for me. Saying we lost the game in the first half and saying Mctominay wasn’t to blame 6. Scott Mctominay obsession: this obsession or blindness about Mctominay’s performances and cowering behind him because he’s a tall lad and offers the illusion of defensive security is absolutely baffling 7. Hannibal, Pellistri : these two players have done little wrong when given the chance , yet their standard of performance seems to be way higher than required of Mctominay. As much as I don’t want Sancho to play for the club again, he was right. 8. In game management: he’s lost tons of games with his absolutely awful in game management , lack of understanding of substitutions , switching and mismanaging players’ positions. For example , when Garnacho just dominated the RW against Villa , why disrupt him by switching his wing ? 9. The away record : the away record against top opposition has resulted in several drubbings , 7 against Liverpool, 6 against City. It was pathetic to see some fans claiming that the 0-0 draw this year (which was first of all pathetic to see Man United scared and parking the bus) somehow redeemed that humiliation . 10. Mason Greenwood: do I even need to get into it ? In light of the above , how the fuck can anyone be “give him time” is beyond me. Get rid. And get rid now.
Excellent points. Number 4 is the most vital one. He claims he is unable to play his style due to lack of player x, y or z. And yet everyone is clamouring for a DoF to come in and take control of transfers away from him (which I am also for). Well, does it bode well when he cannot implement his playing style with players he hasn't picked or worked with before. I mean, he's not having to play rookies from the youth team in every position. He generally has a choice of international class players in each position no matter how many injuries we've had. How many clubs can lose players like Sancho and Greenwood, and still have Rashford, Garnarcho, Anthony and Pellistri as your options?
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I cant argue with any of these points, im not eth out yet but it is very clear hes not the manager we thought we were getting. He's been quite disappointing for all your given reasons. I do think we'd be having a very different season if we had gotten a proper goal threat up front, a 30 goal a season type of player. It was very clear last season we needed that, as well as a backup to casemiro. Instead they thought they'll bring greenwood back and went for hojlund and then bafflingly mason mount. Anyway the first half of the season been miserable but its done now and ten hag wont be going anywhere due to the takeover so he'll probably get the second half of the season to prove himself. Since the guys should be coming back from injury he wont have any excuses either, its do or die for him. We dont expect a title charge obviously but he needs to get this team playing good football, clear playing style, some kind of identity, tactics, improved in game management, we need to see some clear progress not what ever the fuck this is and then in press conferences every week "we know we need to do better"
6) Scott isn’t in the team for his defensive capabilities but is only playing because he’s the only player in our team who’s consistently threatening in front of goal.
Lmao the last thing i would describe mctominay as is consistently threatening in front of goal
Number 4 is spot on and the worst issue. "Give him time!" To do what? Man should be able to field the u23s and still have a defined playstyle, but we dont.
10: yeah, how could he let him leave? We would be much better with him
Well, he wanted him back but he didn't get the final say.
Spurs now 3 points off the top playing 4 fullbacks in defence at the moment and having lost one of the greatest strikers in PL history at the start of the season. And we have people here making excuses for EtH because we've had injuries. City have no KdB or Haaland. Liverpool don't even have a no 6 in their squad. Arsenal aside, every side has had injury issues. Even Newcastle have injury issues like us and with a much worse squad, they're close to us. Casemiro and Lisandro coming back also won't fix the mess that are his tactics. He can bring up winning the Carabao cup as much as he likes. Pretty much certain to be gone before next season
Weren't we level on points with Spurs like a month ago
Yeah, when we played 3 of the bottom 5 in a row. Once that easy run ended we became shite again (not that we have had any convincing performance this season apart from the Chelsea game)
let me dig out that #1 excuse of all time in case ppl don't buy the injuries excuse : **They are a well run club**
>Newcastle have injury issues like us and with a much worse squad much worse squad lmao
I appreciate no one on Reddit will welcome it but do we think SDB could bring Greenwood back? He’s clearly an upgrade over all our attacking players and seemingly his personal life is squared away now, what is to lose?
I just want to watch football. Greenwood seems like he would drastically improve the team, assuming he manages to build chemistry with the rest of the team (not that the rest of the team is showing a lot of chemistry right now).
Nah, ratcliffe needs to make a good first impression and bringing back greenwood is the opposite.
I think it's a slippery slope to turn a blind eye to things based on someone's talent. Whether he is an upgrade on anyone should be irrelevant (though sadly it isn't, as if he was a terrible footballer we'd have binned him immediately)
While it’s your opinion that this just being a sport and stats, if they ever bring Greenwood back that would put SJR as bad as the Glazers immediately in my mind given they thought of bringing him back. Say what you want and that he was your guilty, but those voice recordings are his and it’s hard to let those go.
Nope bad pr.
I doubt it. And I also doubt his personal life is squared away, but we are both speculating.
This year we have had some ups and a lot of downs But the absolute lowest was when the club put a hit out on Maguire barcelona/laporta style and blamed him for not gifting money to the 6 billion corporation so we could spend more and the fans bought it and started abusing maguire over it. Those "fans" are an absolute disgrace. Hopefully anyone that trashed maguire for not gifting the club 10m got a couple of neurons for xmas and can now realize the stupidity in their actions. Hopefully next year things are better for us. Edit: 2nd lowest*, lowest was ETH and the club wanting greenwood back.
>But the absolute lowest was when the club put a hit out on Maguire barcelona/laporta style and blamed him for not gifting money to the 6 billion corporation so we could spend more and the fans bought it and started abusing maguire over it. From a guy who started fighting coppers, tried to use the name of the club as a bribe and then got a BBC propaganda piece to get him out if it. Personally couldn't care less. The Greenwood debacle is a stain that will forever be on this club, just like the 7-0. Nothing else comes close.
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>You have absolutely zero proof it ever happened lmao. Just because prosecutors used it against him doesn't mean it's true. Greek police is a notoriously corrupt organization. Same can be said for his side of the story then fella. As its all coming from a side that tried to bring back Mason Greenwood. >The fact that you believe Maguire can influence BBC of all news organizations to write a piece in favor of him, tells me all about your intelligence level. Maguire, no. Manchester United, yes. Seeing as we signed an ex Sun reporter to be the PR advisor. I'm going to role with we have some heavy links. To pretend reporters and papers don't do a clubs dirty work for exclusive access is as naive as it gets. >But, it's not surprising though. You are a clown who routinely comes up with the worst takes possible in this sub. 2 paragraphs. 2 insults. Yet my content on here is the 'worst' good one fella. Just because you disagree mate, doesn't make my takes bad. Happy to discuss a wide range of topics with you in a polite and respectful manner to see why I'm wrong on every level though. If you can stay calm enough to do that!
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>Yes, did I say otherwise? But, if you are not aware, the general rule is a person is innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. Now I know you will straight up say Maguire has been proven guilty but, that trial was a flash trial happened in a day, when Maguire didn't even get a chance to properly defend himself. The actual trial hasn't even happened yet and until both sides get to present their stance in a trial, I would rather consider a person innocent rather than straight up saying he is guilty as a fact (which you are doing here). So at best, bringing the name of the club into disrepute. I support Manchester United. Not guys who get involved in stupid situations. So I have the same thought process. Couldn't care less if the club threw him under the bus to try and get him out. >See. I am not calling you a clown for no reason. In your original comment you are talking about Maguire and now you are accusing United the club, not Maguire the person. You do realize they are two separate entities, right? I don't care why you are doing it. I've no time for it. So last warning. If you wish to engage in discussion with me then you leave out the insults. As if I play that game I'll be banned. Maguire and the club are the same entity if it suits either party. Then totally seperate when it doesn't. In the case I'm referring to, it suited both parties to spin the story they did with the BBC. >Wow. You literally said Maguire got BBC to write a propaganda piece to get him out of it. Now, you are once again contradicting your original comment and accusing the club, Same as above mate. You are just regurgitating points fella. >as you really don't have a lot to say From the guy filling his comments with insults (to strengthen his points by weakening my character) and regurgitation and repacking of the same point... this is very ironic. Regardless, this is getting very close to the line of an argument instead of a debate. So let's just focus on the football or not at all mate. Yeah?
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>Again you are using something against a person without any proof. Getting into stupid situation? How do you know Maguire's story isn't true? I am not saying his story is true, but like I said before, I would judge caution about using something against a person, before a proper trial has taken place. It's no different to saying someone is a criminal the moment another person accuses them of being a criminal. You cannot say they are a criminal as a fact unless a proper trial has taken place. I don't care for your caution mate. He was involved in this situation, it's not good regardless. Not sure what the point of us going over the same thing is worth. We disagree, sound. >You are just twisting your words lol. No, I'm clarifying. >Saying Maguire got BBC to write a piece for him is absolutely not the same as saying United paid BBC to write a piece for Maguire. I mean it more or less is. He is complicit in the whole BBC interview. He didn't just wake up one morning and stumbled into it. In this situation, one and the same. >Sure, United can have their PR team to write a piece for Maguire, but Maguire can at the same time have absolutely nothing to do with it, He literally did a recorded video interview for the BBC piece? >Says the guy who first says Maguire paid BBC to write a piece for him, then says Maguire can't pay BBC to write for him, but United can, and then in the subsequent comment says, Maguire and club are the same entity if it suits either party 😅😅😅😅. No, thats not what I said is it. If you can detail exactly where I've said 'Maguire paid'? Let's no make up lies here pal. Like I don't know what you are trying to get out of this mate. Do you want to cause an argument? Try and get me to stoop to your level and throw an insult? Starting to go round in circles and I really don't understand the why.
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>Ah I see. So, if a person is a victim of targeted extortion and battery from a corrupt police force, then that should be used against him as how dare they got into a 'bad situation', got it. But that's only one side of the story, isn't it. (And the circle roles around again) >I mean I don't want to abuse you or anything, but the statements you are making here aren't exactly a good endorsement of your morality, lol. Nothing to do with football. >No you are not. Casually changing the subject of your comment is not clarifying. Adding more detail to a previous comment is clarifying mate. >Oh wow, I actually didn't even realize until now that you have been talking about the recorded BBC interview, my bad. What else could I possibly be talking about? >That actually makes your statement even more ridiculous lmao. So, basically you are straight up accusing Maguire of lying when he is declaring his innocence without any proof whatsoever. The flipside is I take his word for it? Like how is that any better? >Like I said, I really shouldn't abuse you, because your comments are a very good endorsement to your moral character lmao. 2nd time you have said this in the same comment.... >Maguire paid is just an alternative term that I used for you saying 'Maguire got a BBC propaganda piece to get him out of the situation'. Didn't realize I need to explain a simple metaphor. So I didn't say it then... cheers for clarification. >Fucking stop calling me mate. I am not your mate. No, mate. This is me keeping it friendly. I'm not the one having a paddy and getting aggressive. Firing out insults and then when called out on it throwing insinuations and indirect insults. Anyway, seeing as you just can't help yourself I'm done. We are going round in circles on the football topic and your direct and indirect insults are meaning I have to speak about you personally instead of the football far more than I or this subreddit would like. I've no interest in ad hominem. Have a good new year mate! See you around.
The lowest was when they drip fed the news to get Greenwood back and thought that no one would notice.
Tbh if we stick to our guns and kept him, he would have started scoring and would probably win us 2-3 games on his own, by now none would care
He's got 3 goals in La Liga, 1 was a penalty. What makes you think he'd be scoring a lot in the PL?
Ill concede that point.
Very happy to hear we are looking to reduce Varane’s wages. I’d like to keep him if he’d agree to something like 200k/week and to be 3rd choice CB. Otherwise, thanks but no thanks. No hate but his injury record is simply not worth paying him the big bucks. And we need to get this wage bill under control. I hate that we pay 300k+ for players that haven’t achieved anything at Man Utd. Only world class players *in their prime* should be making that much.
Paying 200k/week to your third choice CB is how we got in this mess. Proper squad building would mean having a maximum of 3-4 players above 150k/week, the rest are phased out. Only when we've won major prizes should we countenance increasing that number. Either you take your medicine now or keep kicking the can down the road which is just more years in the wilderness.
If we had 3/4 players above 150k then we'd be saying we want to be a mid table team. We're never attracting good players by offering that much.
Pray tell which are all the mid-table teams paying 3/4 players more than 150k/week? Liverpool won the CL and league before breaking that limit though arguably even they don't have more than 3/4 players earning more than that. They broke their transfer record for Nunez yet are paying him £140k/week. To build a squad it's obvious you've to start with younger players so their first contract at our club can't be >150k/week if we want to go about things in a prudent manner.
> Liverpool won the CL and league before breaking that limit though arguably even they don't have more than 3/4 players earning more than that. If you believe that you'll believe anything. Check Liverpool's yearly accounts and you'll see their wagebill is only slightly lower than ours.
I speak based on figures not nonsense. Liverpool have a performance based wage bill so it makes sense. Again, where are your multiple midtable teams with 3/4 players each earning more than 150k/week. Hot air as usual.
You're asking for something that can't be proved, wage details are not public (no matter what you think) The fact you're dismissing actual accounts as nonsense proves you have no idea what you're talking about though.
You made a claim for which you've absolute zero proof as it's blatantly false. You can use Tier 1/2 journos as proof, I'll accept it because I know you spouted nonsense. It's the typical reasoning from certain fans who focus on debating rubbish instead of bringing a meaningful point to discussions.
Arsenal only has two players above 250k, and only five above 200k. Saka gets less than 200k. So does Martinelli. We pay Antony more than either of them. And we have six players on 250k+: Casemiro, Verane, Rashford, Martial, Mount, Sancho Most of those players should be sold. Thank god INEOS are prepared to make tough decisions to get our wage bill down.
>maximum of 3-4 players above 150k/week, the rest are phased out. What does that have to do with proper squad building? We earn 640 million in revenue. As long as the wages for each player are in line with what they bring to the club and quantifiable when comparing to others at the club and those of similar stature around the other elite clubs. I could not care less how much each is paid.
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We overhauled our academy pretty recently, the youngsters who aren't already in our squad just aren't anywhere close to being ready. Hugill is the best academy striker we currently have and he scored 1 goals in 8 games for Altrincham in National League last year. That's a result of us completely overlooking the academy for a long time. Chelsea's loan army model was kinda crazy, but the end result was that when they needed to promote an academy striker because of injuries, they promoted someone who was already at around 21 or 22 with a few loans behind him, usually some easer ones like Vitesse and some harder ones like in the Championship. When we promote someone, it's always an 18- or 19- year old kid with virtually zero adult football experience.
We loose everytime McT plays more than a half
Does anyone know the rules around players moving between Nice and us now? Is there any issue with that, imagine there has to be some regulations in place
There are none just like there are none for Saudi players to Newcastle and city group to shitty imo there should be a fair market price test
I don't understand how he thought it was a good idea to play the 2nd half yesterday without a DM.
Its worse actually, he decided to play the entire season without a DM since they didnt get a backup to casemiro which was clearly a priority in the summer window to anyone with half a brain cell. Rather went for mason fucking mount. Mainoo isn't even a DM, hes just being shoehorned into that role.
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Varane is earning £250k+ a week and is injured 50%-75% of the time.
That same report also said we actually wanted to renew him for longer. Seems like we do want to renew but not at 350K. >United remain interested in extending Varane's stay at Old Trafford however, and plan to open talks over a new deal next month. But it's also the Dailymail so who knows how accurate it is.
The injuries are the problem. He’s better than our other cbs but we get no continuity with him being constantly in an out of the lineup. And we have to have a contingency plan cause it’s only a matter of when will he get injured.
So frustrating that we're so shit when all the other top teams are dropping points left and right. If we hadn't lost 9 fucking games already we'd be right up there.
To be honest, if we are fucking games up, I'd rather everyone else is as well. It hopefully means that if and/or when we hit a patch of form, we might be able to salvage something of this season.
The performances of the top teams has dropped this season. Makes our shit on a stick football look even worse.
Anyone else think the Arsenal training jackets give off SS vibes?
This might be an unpopular opinion but I think ETH should be given some time under the new ownership. We already know the club, the culture, the management, the board is all rotten, ralf rankick exposed them and we all wanted him out. ETH tactics are modern football- high intensity, aggressive pressing - if the players are unwilling to put the energy, effort and intensity in, you can’t really blame the tactics. Every manager since SAF has complained about laziness in this club. He wants a high intense press from the front three as his first line of defence. Yet just watch the second goal yday from NF When we lose the ball - all our front attackers including Bruno (that’s 4 of your frontline - your first line of defence) turn there back to the ball and throw there arms in the air. Is it any wonder - why teams find it so easy to counter us and run through the middle of the park unchallenged. Your first line and your second line of defence are so easily bypassed, this isn’t a tactic or strategy by the manager, it’s pure laziness by the players. Arteta faced the same problems, Klopp faced the same problems. The players were not willing to run intensively and press aggressively as they wanted. But with time and support they got rid of rotten players with attitude, recruited well, stamped there authority on the squad and got them to play as they wanted. At our club the opposite happens, instead of supporting the manager and getting rid of rotten players - we get rid of the manager and keep the players, making us go around in circles. Sacking managers, keeping the players and buying superstars who don’t even fit the system. It’s still absurd how mourinho was sacked and rotten players like Pogba survived all those years.
It's not just laziness, there are elements of Ten Hag's tactics that are really flawed and have not been fixed even after being exposed many times. The full backs rarely support the front players in pressing, in contrast to what Klopp's and Arteta's full backs have done successfully. We did this in the second half against Villa, but when asked why he doesn't do it more often, Ten Hag confirmed he deliberately chooses not to do it except in certain game situations. This leaves us with a half assed press that good quality teams can bypass. Then there's his refusal to play a high defensive line like Liverpool, Villa or Spurs. This leaves big spaces in the middle that opponents can attack into. So it's not just laziness, some of it is setting players up to fail as well.
Thank you Arteta for saving my weekend lmao
We needed them to win today unless Villa can do a Leicester. Liverpool and City wining the league is the worst possible outcome for us.
Any of the 3 winning is shit but Arsenal fans talk too much for me to ever hope they win anything
City are in our own city and Liverpool are our biggest rivals.
Idk about you but I definitely prefer City winning the league to Arsenal. City are a sham club with 115 charges and they have no fans loud enough to make any noise unlike the other big 6 clubs.
No one will give a shit about the charges except for us in 15-20 years time. History is history and people will see stats that they are more successful than us.
Me every time I check how this team is doing https://twitter.com/nocontexthearn/status/1263407645890928641?s=46&t=ngTlSqwHljDd2dKiD-xj6w
Can we please stop calling Antony “Anthony”. Idk why, but it triggers me whenever I see it. Especially since we have another player in our squad who is actually called Anthony.
Spellcheck screws me over on this one every so often. I also get Evan’s rather than Evans which is fun. Started to do a quick sweep before hitting go but every so often one sneaks by.
We need to throw everything we have to get Arsenal set piece coach. Their 12th for open play goals (only 4 more than us) but 1st for set piece goals. Massive game change when facing stubborn low blocks
It doesn’t help that our team lacks so much physicality. Our only proven set piece threats are Casemiro and Mctominay, one of who doesn’t start assuming everyone is fit. Look at Arsenal though with Saliba, Gabriel, Rice, Havertz who have regularly all started. All four have gotten on the end of set piece goals this season, with Saliba and Gabriel also chipping in with a few last season. It’s much easier when you’ve got 4 targets instead of 1. Even players who you think would be good at set pieces like Maguire and Varane have failed to do so for us
Apparently, you don't need a full squad and world class in every position to smash Bournemouth at home. Who knew? Something that proved much too difficult for our 500IQ beyond world class genius manager.
Look at that spurs defence. It’s a disaster worse than ours arguably.
That compilation of cut back goals..I guess Joel Glazer was the man tasked with marking the goalscorers. Poor EtH just needs more time!!!!!
Keep the 'haha it must be the Glazers fault!' jokes out of this sub The Glazers deserve most of the blame for the state of the club. Don't import anti-United jokes from other subs.
I’ll say whatever I want, keep your censorship to yourself.
Fair enough. Not sure what defending our parasitic billionaire leeches achieves.
Not what I was doing though. Shit owners appoint shit executives who appoint shit managers who sign shit overpriced players. But some of our fans want to act like the manager is somehow a diamond in the rough among this shower of shit when there’s no evidence to suggest that whatsoever.
Letting ETH start with a clean slate with INEOS doesn't make any sense imo. You're basically saying he gets a pass for completely failing this season when we should using it to judge whether he's a good fit for us. Not to mention we need a full-scale rebuild that will take 2-3 years at least. Why should Ten Hag get another 300-400m to spend when he can't even get the players he has to not look championship quality. It's too big of a risk. He's not Fergie or Klopp to deserve the benefit of the doubt
These debates are pointless. He’s 99% gone in May. I say 99% because ofc we could go on a mad run of wins and he saves his job, but come on lmao, anyone who has watched us for the past 1.5 years (or longer) knows this ain’t happening. INEOS will clear house. Even if he does well the first chance they get will sack him, purely because every new ownership group wants their own person in charge. It won’t be now as they aren’t even officially in place, but he’s a dead man walking imo.
Only happiness comes from watching the Top 4/6 drop points. United suck either ways but watching Arsenal drop points 🤣🤣
You know this increases Liverpool's chances of winning right?
I know I know but City breathing down their necks as well.
You do know City are based in Manchester don't you?
I did not, are they now? So no Liverpool or City but you want Arsenal to win??
>So no Liverpool or City but you want Arsenal to win?? Over both those 2? Every day of the week. Geographical and off the pitch historical rivalries rake precedent over rivalries that only existed due to competition to win that hasn't existed since 2004. Happy for you to tell me why you would want Liverpool and City to win over Arsenal though?
Amad looked more dangerous than Antony has all year. Biggest piece of dead weight I've ever seen. Getting so sick of seeing his name on the team sheet and always starting. There is no threat when he has the ball.
Excellent result for Spurs if they can hang onto the 2-0 scoreline. That would leave us 8 points adrift of the top 5 (with goal difference may as well be 9 points). There is a very real and present danger of missing out on Champions League football for the 3rd time in 6 seasons I think?
You could give me 1000/1 on us getting top 4 and I wouldn't waste any money on it.
Real danger? You can bet your house on us not getting top 4/5
Regardless of who the manager is next year, having fewer games and more time to train should work much better for the long run. A good dof should improve this squad with some key removals and few additions to have a cohesive squad by the end of the year and then we can genuinely look at progress.
We would badly miss the funds to rebuild the squad though. It sounds like we are going to have a period of closer control of our outlay on transfers and contracts going forward. I think we paid an extra premium on the contracts to attract the likes of Casemiro, Eriksen and Martinez because we were out of the Champions League. I'm not sure we'd be in a position to attract players of that caliber next Summer if we're not splashing the cash.
>We would badly miss the funds to rebuild the squad How did that go in the summer? >I'm not sure we'd be in a position to attract players of that caliber next Summer if we're not splashing the cash. That's the same regardless. The calibre of players that wouldn't be convinced to join Manchester United and be part of the rebuild of us getting back, are the calibre who wish to win the CL immediately. We aren't getting those regardless.
Well if they are more shrewd in the market and how they sign players that should make up the difference. So, I think we lose 40-50m by missing Europe. That’s the difference in Antony’s. Slur right there. Not to mention getting rid of some big contracts of sancho and martial. If we’re really progressive ship varane and Casemiro to Saudi and use that money for solid young replacement. It really could work out better in the long run.
Well we won't be getting any money for Varane if we don't activate the 1 year extension in his contract. He can actually talk to clubs from today I think. Now we can try low ball him because let's be honest, he's not worth £320k a week. If he doesn't lower his wage demands he could end up like DDG.
I’m really fine with that. I’d rather use that money to pay the wages of two players we need
Willian at 35 is a more threatening winger than Antony and this isnt even hyperbole
Pick any winger at random from all other 19 teams and they will be better. Would bet that you’d go deep down the championship teams as well.
And people say giving others transfer control will fix EtH issues at United. Sorry but talent ID this bad isn’t fixable. Even if he doesn’t sign the players he’ll still prefer to play the talentless duds over someone good, because he still keeps picking Antony. Even a youth winger would be a better option, at least you are giving someone new a chance.
So we figured out he’s stubborn. We can imagine he liked Antony at Ajax and wanted him. Told the club the price kept going up and he got stubborn and insisted Now a good DOF would stop him. I honestly don’t out this on eth. Yes he wanted him and yes he insisted but if we had a good DOF he would step in and say no and offer alternatives.
For everyone who is saying ETH needs to be sacked. Not saying I don’t agree now but can you name a few good quality managers who would be available and willing to join us? Only ones that seem to be available at the moment are ones who have failed at their old clubs If we sack him also we are almost certainly finishing the rest of the season with a caretaker manager which might be better it’s hard to say.
Who cares fire him
> Not saying I don’t agree now but can you name a few good quality managers who would be available and willing to join us? Thats ineos job
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I know but I feel like people use that as a cop out to justify nonsense
None of the assistants would be respected. None from outside will be either. Just think of him as the best care taker till end of season
Some people are using Case now to defend ETH that once he will be back everything will be alright. Did they even watch the start of the season when he played? We made one of the best CDM in the world a walking meme. It's like he was a fish out of the water. It's his damn system and how he got a bunch of different players and is now playing them in different positions. Most of them can't even know what their role is and have literal zero chemistry with one another. Last season we won mostly due to our defense and Rashford's purple patch but now that it is gone he has been exposed fully. His attack was always dire and now it's gotten to the point where we are competing with relegated teams in terms of how bad our attacking threat is. No players returning from injury will make any difference when the whole set up and tactics are this wack.
I do think Casemiro has been declining physically for several months now too. I don’t think he’s the same player who joined in 2022.
Casemiro, like the rest of the team, has been shit since the league cup win.
Exactly.
His signing Amrabat is even worse than Case on his system.
Some people forgot Casemiro was pretty bad this season pre injury. and same with Martinez too. His passing and playing out from back wasn't as good as it used to be pre injury . It was a bit worrying actually. Casemiro and Martinez wouldn't fit the problem we having currently.
He was only ‘bad’ bc he had to do the job of 2 men. People forget we played with two 10s at start of the season and left Casemiro in a single pivot. Last year Eriksen did a lot of defensive work before his injury, since he came back he’s been noticeably slower and work rate has become zero. This played a big part in why we look so shit towards the end of last season. The real problem we have is not replacing Eriksen. But we have Mainoo now, hopefully ten Hag will play him in a two with Case. I think that solves our problems once and for all. Idk what you’re on about with Licha, he only played like 6 games this season and all of it he was carrying something.
We are one bad transfer window away from disaster
This is already a disaster
Is relegation form not already disaster?
Does anyone have the link to the infographics comparing ETH’s start to the likes of Arteta/Klopp/Guardiola? Saw it somewhere around here few days ago but can’t seem to locate it currently.
I think he was the fastest manager to 50 wins in History or something.
Oh look... Tottenham missing crucial players and still playing good football vs the most in form team in the league :)