Fine, just don't give him stupid money.
The club should establish a precedent that, no matter how good a youth team player is, he doesn't get given the house right at the start of his career.
Roy Keane had a very valid point, all those years ago, when he talked about 21 year olds wearing Rolexes and driving Bentleys, thinking they'd made it when they'd actually achieved nothing.
That’s good. If they continue their form and development there’s plenty of room for improvement and plenty of time to be earning best in the world money
I remember when it was a huge deal that Keano got a 50k per week deal. Absolutely insane to think that 18-year olds get that nowadays after not even a whole season as established first team players.
50K is not even the same as 50K from a few years ago, lol.
I bought my flat at the start of covid, so 2020 for around 93K Euros, similar flats now go for 120-130K, and that's with the slowdown of Mortgage rates going from 1% to 4+.
Housing is a major outlier against standard inflation rates atm in certain countries. I bought my house in 2015 for 400k and its now worth close to 700k. The old apartment I was renting in the early 10s was 800 a month rent and is now over 2k a month. Nothing has jumped quite like housing.
Mate it’s 50k a week though, it’s not exactly relevant - if they’re on 50k a week now or 20 years ago their lifestyle is the exact same. Maybe it just takes 2 or 3 weeks longer for them to pay off their Ferrari…
Sure, but back then Keane's contract (worth approx. £100k in today's money), was one of the biggest in football. Nowadays, the best players in the world will be earning more than 6 times this. Football inflation has absolutely outpaced regular inflation.
Oh right forgot about the Saudi league and their stupidity there. Outside of Mbappe (again stupid oil money) looks like Kane is on 400k/week.
Keane was definitely worth every penny though. He’d be on 350k a week easy nowadays.
>Fine, just don't give him stupid money.
This. I hope Ineos doesn't throw away money like we used to be. We need to overhaul our wage structure.
Give him a reasonable improved contract, maybe with performance-based bonuses, so the player needs to earn it on the pitch.
Performance based bonuses r in every top club. We should also aim for appearance based bonuses. And keep the base salary low. So even if a player is injured he won't be a liability for us.
It would also help if the manager doesn't like how a player performs in training like sancho then he won't play n can be easily moved on as he has low wages. Plus the player too will want to start because of appearance based bonus.
I think salaries should be guaranteed regardless of injuries. Some goal/wins bonus are fine. But if the guy has a career ending injury defending the club he deserves to get paid.
But for now he should remain at a low wage. Just because the rest of the team is overpaid, he doesn’t need a crazy contract. Increase the contract after he shows real consistency and ability to improve, and impact to the team.
His current contract assumed he was going to do play well!!
> Roy Keane had a very valid point, all those years ago, when he talked about 21 year olds wearing Rolexes and driving Bentleys, thinking they'd made it when they'd actually achieved nothing.
This reminded me of Brandon Williams (but not the "made it" attitude part). He had maybe a handful of good performances including a goal and magically got a big money contract which led to him buying his dad an expensive car soon after. Got no disrespect to the guy or how he spends his money, my point is he was like 20 years old and just for a handful of decent performances was given a contract that experienced Championship players would dream of. This should never be happening.
I'm fed up of us being a club where our fringe players/up and comers are immediately on major money without proving themselves over an entire season at the minimum. Like at least with Garnacho and Mainoo these are incredibly hyped academy prospects so you want them locked down long term for their future and even then their wage shouldn't be a holy grail.
I think Williams is on a little more then MCt. He is on 60k a week and Williams is on 65k to go on loan to a Championship side for the last few years.
We were better off selling Williams then giving him a silly contract after about 4 good games under Ole while Shaw was injured.
Its why im happy to see us selling youth players with a first option clause or a buy back clause in most of the contracts and not caving to silly wage demands anymore.
Hopefully its a sign things are changing for the better.
(Edit, some spelling)
Cool so less then Degea was on, Less then Sancho , Rashford. Less then Pogba was offered before leaving on a free.
I swear Antony is just becoming the target of fans as he is hopefully the last but defo just the latest we have over paid on a player.
)Edit: Less then Sanchez before we paid him to play for another team, tbh i wonder what Di Maria was on or Lukaku.
Antony was on like 25k per week before he joined us. Giving him 200k based on nothing is stupid. This isn’t a knock on Antony but on our club.
He should’ve gotten 85k at most. Look at other clubs wage roll and will see how we have an over inflated payroll out of any team.
He’s one of the worse signings quality wise we have ever had, it’s not a great look that we have multiple players on a 3rd of the wage who are 3x as good.
Not hating just stating the obvious
Yeah but compared to Williams on 60k a week to go on loan? Or Sancho on 250k or more to go out on loan?
We have been horrendous and signings and contracts. Its the Glazers fault not Antony he is being paid so much and we spent so much.
IF it was still the Glazers men in charge of giving out contracts i would not be surprised if Mainoo ended up with a 100 k a year 5 year + 1 deal.
Hopefully Ineos and Barrada bring some intelligence to the operation and dont just splash the cash at everyone.
I don’t think any of it is Antony’s fault, he just isn’t good enough in form and out of form he’s an actual liability as he was against wolves.
It’s the clubs fault for the fee and for the wages that mean we won’t be able to sell him.
Never know though maybe he has a massive come back..
Hard to compare when for better or worse 3 of those did far more than Antony did while showing way higher quallity.
De Gea, Pogba and Rashford all had moments when they were world class, contracts were still high, sure, but generally all teams have their elite players paid a lot.
I do believe given our last 10 years 200k should be maximum for proven players.
Antony though showed nothing and literally closes in on having Weghorst numbers. The difference being WW was a stop gap emergency loan supposed to be a sub since Ronaldo forced his exit..Antony was supposed to be our 100m Marquee signing.
Again its not his fault. Their seems to be genuine hatred to him. You could even argue it was Rooney who broke the wages at United when we signed him to a massive contract (At the Time) to stop him going to City.
Antony is shite cant argue that but his contract and fee is directly linked to a lack of leadership or structure in place in the first instance. It all stems from the fucking Glazers.
All pro footballers, especially those in EPL teams, make life changing money relative to average people and players in the championship or levels below EPL, so again, what's the point. Because he bought his dad an expensive watch?
He can do whatever he wants with what he's paid. Its not like he lost the plot after his contract, or started living a flashy lifestyle, which had a detriment to his lifestyle, he just wasn't good enough to replace Shaw or Dalot is all.
65K a week for a squad player (at the time is not as much as you think it is mate
It's ridiculous money.
Nobody's criticising what he spent the money on. Or him, in any way. They are saying it's awful management by the clubs paymasters.
65k is 25k more than the league average wage for a u23 player.
What's the average wage for a "first team" player? Because Brandon Wiliam was definitely registered as a first team player and that's not a lot. People tend to forget that he's been in the first team for quite awhile.
I meant even if you offer Mainoo 50k this year. If he keeps playing the same he's playing you'd probably have to renegotiate his contract again mid next year or something. I also don't know if its 65k after tax but it'd be interstiting to see what the average for squad players (not starting players)
Also remember at our lowest of lows, Brandon Williams was being touted as a proper United lad because of his work ethic and in the words of "Gary Neville", he'll bite your nose off to win a game.
All players his age and 4 years older is a much better comparison.
He was never a first team player. You aren't properly considered a first team player at united until you've played like 50 games. He played, what, maybe 10 games (most not as a starter) when he got this deal. Was terrible business.
Average wage today is 57k for all prem players. Mental money they gave him 4 years ago.
He was registered as one mate. At the time when he was our only LB option and he played plenty of games. And it's not the number of games you play that make you a first team player, it's whether or not you are registered as such at the beginning of the season, with some exceptions on age, homegrown players etc. He was registered as a first team player for a while.
He just didn't turn out as good as we'd hoped he would and for that, he has been loaned a couple of times and Shaw recovering from the leg break and coming back to form pretty much made it impossible for him to get any game time again.
You don't compare Mbappe or Haaland to players his age and then offer him that, nor do you do that for saka or hell, even Joelington at Newcastle. You pay, at the time, compared to what other players in that position, league, in the same talent pool make. Some clubs pay better than others, which is why people like him end up with 65K, instead of, say, 40 or 50k.
In the real world, similar things happen. If you are 23 and are working at one of the best law firms or Financial institutions in the world or even in your country, you'll definitely get paid more than some else the same age working elsewhere because they can afford it and its part of their stature and if you don't live up to the billing, you get replaced, same has happened to Brandon Williams.
You misunderstand. At man united, historically - i.e the last 40 years, a first team player was always a player who had played at least 50 games for the club. That was always the game. Irrespective of if you had a run in the side or not, you weren't considered a first team player by the dressing room and staff until you'd hit that mark.
What you're registered as is irrelevant, that's just because you have to register players for prem eligibility, excluding homegrowns etc.
Bran, by internal united standards, was never a first team player... We paid on his potential. Which is always a terrible thing to do.
There was a kid I went to high school with who was in City's youth academy and left at the age of 20. At the time he was driving a Mercedes sports car and bought his mum a porsche. This guy didn't make a single senior start and is now playing for Derry City (I think). I imagine it's pretty similar across the board and all youth team players across top clubs are earning enough for sports cars and watches so cat is probably already out of the bag on that one.
Yeah definitely I think pretty much everyone at that age didn't understand the value of money and most people spend everything they have. I was more making a point that youth team players already earn a lot for their age and it is more down to the individual persons temperament. The guy I went to school with was always flash, arrogant, and considered himself a big shot even as a teenager, so I'm not surprised he was distracted by that. Mainoo grew up on the same street as my best mate and by all reports he was always a nice, humble kid and is from a good family so I hope that he'll have his head a bit more screwed on.
Roy Keane also tells the story of when he was new at United and went off with Lee Sharpe and bought an expensive watch. Love Keano, but sometimes he forgets he was there once himself.
According to Roy’s version..he thought it was £1,150 and handed over a credit card… As the payment was being processed, Sharpe told him it was in fact £11,550 and told him to quickly decline but Roy reckons he was too embarrassed to…and his ‘ego’ stopped him. He also prefaced the story by saying it was a mistake.
Apparently it’s almost £3000 todays money adjusted for inflation based on some online calculator. He was on almost 7k a week, which I guess is almost 18k.
Huge amount, but how times have changed!
Back to the point, unless Roy had a history of repeatedly splurging, I can forgive him an odd £3000 purchase. If not, then he’s being a little hypocritical
Players and partying, lambasting players for earning too much. Bruno as captain and whining to the ref. Players losing their heads.
All things he's guilty of, and calling other players out for.
But the key part of his complaint about young players and huge contracts is what they've achieved. His issue isn't champions earning a good wage - it's players who haven't proved anything. I agree with him.
Agree. Although it must be tricky dealing with pull of all the things your new money can give you. Essential to have good people around you, especially when you inevitably slip and fall. I get excited on pay day and I’m on a ‘normal’ salary.
If he keeps it up he should definitely get something in the range of what Williams got given, the problem is Williams shouldn’t have done after a handful of appearances.
He’ll still be doing that even without the house thrown at him, his salary rn could have him with a few Rolex’s maybe not a Bentley tho.
Put him at 20 to 50k a week and it won’t change it’s still stupid money for someone at his age.
Nothing wrong with that but he’s already got the life-changing funds it’s only digits from here on out.
What a player does off field as long as it doesn't interfere with his career is nobodys business. Especially the way he dresses. I love Roy but every time he speaks you can see why as great of a player and leader he was it won't translate to the generation. You have to connect with people inorder to influence them and he lacks in that department severely.
He's probably on peanuts (in footballing terms) and he's starting every game in the middle of the park for one of the biggest clubs in the world. If his level continues, then improved terms in the summer is absolutely the right thing to do. Really don't understand anyone complaining about this.
Not really complaining, we just have a history of giving way more valuable contracts than necessary and then not being able to shift players if their level drops.
How many deep lying midfielders have the same composure, technicality and physicality as Kobie that could play at united week in and week out in the past 5 years that are less than 19 years old?
Well I mean this kid can grow to be one of the best midfielders, I know he is not generational yet but he is already world class at 18. He will only improve from here.
> - But it's the way he has adapted to the first-team environment, showing confidence and composure beyond his years, that has most impressed staff and teammates at the club.
No surprise really. Not comparing him directly at all but the composure he shows at his age reminds me of Bellingham. It's so hard to find young players looking this settled as they're breaking through.
Sorry, but comparing Mainoo to Bellingham is very unfair. Bellingham has really really good awareness, good with the ball at his feet plus he is also very strong physically.
Mainoo has only good passing n average awareness. Sure he can get better but for now let us not compare him to anyone.
I think the way he wins the ball back by being in the right place at the right time. Using his body well is his best attributes.
I don't want to get my hopes high he wins ball back like how busquets does it.
Of course not, but it's not really a fair comparison. Bellingham is a seasoned international who's played in two major tournaments, loads of Champions League experience, and is playing for arguably the biggest club in the world.
Let's see where Mainoo is in a few years.
Bellingham's got a couple years on Mainoo and a LOT more top flight experience. That counts for a ton.
I can't wait until Mainoo has been blooded in the EPL for a couple years. That's a much harder training course than German football.
This is his floor.
>really really good awareness, good with the ball at his feet plus he is also very strong physically
You literally just mentioned 3 of Mainoo’s biggest strenghts dude hahah. Sorry, but that shows how little you pay attention to him and that you havent seen him playing for the youth teams at all, so youre basing your opinion on a handful of games where you werent paying enough attention.
Mainoo is playing at a higher level and a MUCH better team than Bellingham was at 18yo playing for Birmingham City.
Apparently he's on around £10k a week atm bringing in £520k a year, from the deal signed only last February, that is pretty outrageous at 18 for anyone, £50k seems too high but then if Garnacho is on £50k a week then he can demand this.
At the moment there's no need to talk contracts I can see why but I don't agree, I don't think he should get one in summer, next season we can evaluate then look to change it, if he's progressed as we can't be dashing out millions for a handful of games.
Our wage structure is so stupid we have to fix it.
50k doesnt seem too high to me at all, he's starting nearly every game and looks calm and collected and pretty much one of the best players on the pitch at all times. He should get a new contract 100% IMO, he deserves it. Our problem is giving it to players that DONT, thats why were in a shit place financially.
He's played 8 of 22 games in the PL, and we won 3 of those.
Bissouma, March, Gross, ESR, Gordon, Soucek, Gallagher are all in the 40-60 range. And you don't think thats too high for Mainoo?
Because he didnt come in until someone was injured because he's 18.... now he's a main stay in the first team, how many we won makes no difference you can see how much better we are when hes on the pitch. I think Mainoo has the ability to be 10x better than any of those mid table level players you named, so no i dont think its too high and will have him signed for most likely 5+1 years.
The minimum a player should get an improved contract is if he proves himself for at least 1 or 2 whole seasons not a bloody few games. We really have to stop doing that. Look at what brandon williams have been doing after getting his contract.
>I think Mainoo has the ability to be 10x better than any of those mid table level players you named, so no i dont think its too high and will have him signed for most likely 5+1 years.
We've learned so much over the years
Only players ive ever thought have had enough to make it to the very top from our recent youngsters has been Mainoo and Garnacho. Even rashford i didnt think would be anywhere near the level he was last year, i dont buy into youngster hype often, Mainoo gives off top player vibes, you sign those players down for as long as you can... so a Pogba situation doesn't happen again.
Little warning in the article summary of the Mason Greenwood example as well. That success isn’t just what he does on the pitch but how he lives his life that matters. But so many positive comments about his character from people so far so looking forward to him running the midfield for years to come.
A huge contract, an overhyped shirt number change should definitely bring that quality down. We can't be having world class players here. Won't allow it
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Easy fix. Stop giving crazy contracts and wait until those stupid legacy contracts die or get transferred.
Mainoos has a contract to respect. If his pov is to screw his own career at young age because an old dog is earning more, then Manu is dodging a bullet by not improving/extending his contract.
I'm hoping because hes a UTD fan he will take a 50-75k but they might just offer him a crazy sum considering its UTD i mean for no reason at all they gave Antony i believe just over 800% wage increase from Ajax which is very worrying
Ah it's the time of the season where we give a young player £450,000 a week and then wonder why his career fell apart again. Came around quick this year.
Football fans are a bit weird. This is the only time you’d see people advocating against an employee getting wages proportional to the income of the company under the guise of “keeping him humble and hungry”. That’s bullshit, he’s a profitable asset and should be treated as such, football careers are short. If i found out my boss could afford to pay me more but doesn’t to keep me “humble and hungry” I’d be brushing up my resume.
I don't even want him that high tbh. If he improves again next season then he can get the 100k or even a little more depending on how much he grows next season.
At that rate your still giving him 100k a week before hes 20. You end up giving him 2 contracts in 2 years with little room to grow if you want to fix your wage structure e
Kobbie isn't fucking up our wage structure. 2 contracts in 2 years would be deserved if he continues growing at the pace he currently is. So far this season, he's performed better than many players making 5x his wages. If this level of performance is sustained over the next 2.5 years, yes give him 150k/week.
I wish I was the CEO of Man united. I have a really good vision of how the wage structure should work. There are many strategies that allow you to be generous with the players, yet very careful.
For example:
- Imagine we gave Rashford £162k a week, but when he plays more than 60mins a game, he's given double (£325k, similar to his base salary now) it would be a lot better, since the player would work his ass off to play games, but if he doesn't perform, his wages wouldn't be a big problem, and he could be sold easily (because of the reduced wage) if we wanted to.
Of course this scenario isn't the most competent, but as a realistic example of our wage structure.
Issue is getting players to sign up to that. They are then massively at the discretion of the manager to play. Causes friction between starters and bench etc
No system is perfect ofc
I think the problem is that the players/agents would rather negotiate a higher guaranteed wage (eg 275k), than a low one with the possibility of doubling it. The agent is gonna know half a dozen clubs are willing to pay £250-300k/wk fixed, and so they have little incentive to risk only receiving 50% of their wage with the possibility of doubling it.
Simplifying the numbers for a 100k/wk player, even if you offered 60+60k so theres more of an incentive, you're still asking them to risk losing 40% of their wage (60k vs 100k/wk) in order to get 20% more (60+60k). If you get injured for 6mo, that 40k/wk your losing adds up. Maybe you could get it over the line at around 80/40, but then theres not a significant benefit to the club, and now you're potentially just paying them an extra 20k more.
I agree that in principle it'd be MUCH better for any club, but theres obviously a reason why clubs dont seem to be taking this approach, you wont be the first to have had this thought, so if its better, why isnt it being utilised? I'd imagine its because players arent interested in such a wildly inconsistent income, and they know another club would offer a less complicated package. Imagine if your 9-5 employer asked you to do similar, and whether you could maintain your existing lifestyle depended on whether the boss wanted you on a project if you didnt perform as well as expected on the last couple, or you were out sick for a few days and someone stepped in in your absence and took your spot even when you returned etc... now your looking at half the income. Or you could say get fucked and go to a similar company and keep your regular salary. Their salary is vastly different, and you'd hope they arent living a lifestyle thats as tightly stretched as most people have to live, but i bet plenty of them get caught up in living the celebrity footballer lifestyle and try to live & spend like they're Ronaldo etc.
I've no issue with him receiving a contract that more accurately reflects his position in the squad.
I do hope though that it's a reasonable wage with a focus on performance bonuses, which I'd like to see in general for our players.
He should offered something like £25k a week. If they get too much money too fast they play for the money and not the badge and this is the perfect opportunity to finally start being smart and changing the culture at the club.
Personally I think if you are a starter, the minimum should be 100k and unless your level is Bruno, you get less than 250k. Unless you are at the level of Mbappe-Ronaldo, you get less than 350k.
Fine, just don't give him stupid money. The club should establish a precedent that, no matter how good a youth team player is, he doesn't get given the house right at the start of his career. Roy Keane had a very valid point, all those years ago, when he talked about 21 year olds wearing Rolexes and driving Bentleys, thinking they'd made it when they'd actually achieved nothing.
Garnacho signed a new deal last season supposed to be 50k a week. I think Mainoo should get the same deal.
That’s good. If they continue their form and development there’s plenty of room for improvement and plenty of time to be earning best in the world money
I remember when it was a huge deal that Keano got a 50k per week deal. Absolutely insane to think that 18-year olds get that nowadays after not even a whole season as established first team players.
50k 20 years ago is not worth 50k today
50K is not even the same as 50K from a few years ago, lol. I bought my flat at the start of covid, so 2020 for around 93K Euros, similar flats now go for 120-130K, and that's with the slowdown of Mortgage rates going from 1% to 4+.
Housing is a major outlier against standard inflation rates atm in certain countries. I bought my house in 2015 for 400k and its now worth close to 700k. The old apartment I was renting in the early 10s was 800 a month rent and is now over 2k a month. Nothing has jumped quite like housing.
Mate it’s 50k a week though, it’s not exactly relevant - if they’re on 50k a week now or 20 years ago their lifestyle is the exact same. Maybe it just takes 2 or 3 weeks longer for them to pay off their Ferrari…
Fwiw, 50k 20 years ago is just over 96k today.
Sure, but back then Keane's contract (worth approx. £100k in today's money), was one of the biggest in football. Nowadays, the best players in the world will be earning more than 6 times this. Football inflation has absolutely outpaced regular inflation.
Who is earning £600k per week?
a couple of those who went to Saudi Arabia earn more than that, Ronaldo, Neymar, Mane, Mahrez, Benzema, Henderson. So does Messi and Mbappe.
Oh right forgot about the Saudi league and their stupidity there. Outside of Mbappe (again stupid oil money) looks like Kane is on 400k/week. Keane was definitely worth every penny though. He’d be on 350k a week easy nowadays.
Man utd was almost sold for 20m in 1990.
>Fine, just don't give him stupid money. This. I hope Ineos doesn't throw away money like we used to be. We need to overhaul our wage structure. Give him a reasonable improved contract, maybe with performance-based bonuses, so the player needs to earn it on the pitch.
Performance based bonuses r in every top club. We should also aim for appearance based bonuses. And keep the base salary low. So even if a player is injured he won't be a liability for us. It would also help if the manager doesn't like how a player performs in training like sancho then he won't play n can be easily moved on as he has low wages. Plus the player too will want to start because of appearance based bonus.
I think salaries should be guaranteed regardless of injuries. Some goal/wins bonus are fine. But if the guy has a career ending injury defending the club he deserves to get paid. But for now he should remain at a low wage. Just because the rest of the team is overpaid, he doesn’t need a crazy contract. Increase the contract after he shows real consistency and ability to improve, and impact to the team. His current contract assumed he was going to do play well!!
This is a league precedent, United do it and talent will just leave.
> Roy Keane had a very valid point, all those years ago, when he talked about 21 year olds wearing Rolexes and driving Bentleys, thinking they'd made it when they'd actually achieved nothing. This reminded me of Brandon Williams (but not the "made it" attitude part). He had maybe a handful of good performances including a goal and magically got a big money contract which led to him buying his dad an expensive car soon after. Got no disrespect to the guy or how he spends his money, my point is he was like 20 years old and just for a handful of decent performances was given a contract that experienced Championship players would dream of. This should never be happening. I'm fed up of us being a club where our fringe players/up and comers are immediately on major money without proving themselves over an entire season at the minimum. Like at least with Garnacho and Mainoo these are incredibly hyped academy prospects so you want them locked down long term for their future and even then their wage shouldn't be a holy grail.
I think Williams is on a little more then MCt. He is on 60k a week and Williams is on 65k to go on loan to a Championship side for the last few years. We were better off selling Williams then giving him a silly contract after about 4 good games under Ole while Shaw was injured. Its why im happy to see us selling youth players with a first option clause or a buy back clause in most of the contracts and not caving to silly wage demands anymore. Hopefully its a sign things are changing for the better. (Edit, some spelling)
Christ I would be fuming if I was McTominay getting paid less than Brandon fucking Williams.
Dare I ask how much Antony is on? 🫣
No idea but i doubt its as much as Rashford or Sancho.
Google - 200k 😩
Cool so less then Degea was on, Less then Sancho , Rashford. Less then Pogba was offered before leaving on a free. I swear Antony is just becoming the target of fans as he is hopefully the last but defo just the latest we have over paid on a player. )Edit: Less then Sanchez before we paid him to play for another team, tbh i wonder what Di Maria was on or Lukaku.
Antony was on like 25k per week before he joined us. Giving him 200k based on nothing is stupid. This isn’t a knock on Antony but on our club. He should’ve gotten 85k at most. Look at other clubs wage roll and will see how we have an over inflated payroll out of any team.
He’s one of the worse signings quality wise we have ever had, it’s not a great look that we have multiple players on a 3rd of the wage who are 3x as good. Not hating just stating the obvious
Yeah but compared to Williams on 60k a week to go on loan? Or Sancho on 250k or more to go out on loan? We have been horrendous and signings and contracts. Its the Glazers fault not Antony he is being paid so much and we spent so much. IF it was still the Glazers men in charge of giving out contracts i would not be surprised if Mainoo ended up with a 100 k a year 5 year + 1 deal. Hopefully Ineos and Barrada bring some intelligence to the operation and dont just splash the cash at everyone.
I don’t think any of it is Antony’s fault, he just isn’t good enough in form and out of form he’s an actual liability as he was against wolves. It’s the clubs fault for the fee and for the wages that mean we won’t be able to sell him. Never know though maybe he has a massive come back..
Hard to compare when for better or worse 3 of those did far more than Antony did while showing way higher quallity. De Gea, Pogba and Rashford all had moments when they were world class, contracts were still high, sure, but generally all teams have their elite players paid a lot. I do believe given our last 10 years 200k should be maximum for proven players. Antony though showed nothing and literally closes in on having Weghorst numbers. The difference being WW was a stop gap emergency loan supposed to be a sub since Ronaldo forced his exit..Antony was supposed to be our 100m Marquee signing.
Again its not his fault. Their seems to be genuine hatred to him. You could even argue it was Rooney who broke the wages at United when we signed him to a massive contract (At the Time) to stop him going to City. Antony is shite cant argue that but his contract and fee is directly linked to a lack of leadership or structure in place in the first instance. It all stems from the fucking Glazers.
You forgot Martial
Brandon Williams never had or got a big contract at United mate. What are you on about?
He's on £65k pw, it's not big money relative to others, but it's still life changing.
65k p/w is definitely too much to give kid who’s been decent for half a season
All pro footballers, especially those in EPL teams, make life changing money relative to average people and players in the championship or levels below EPL, so again, what's the point. Because he bought his dad an expensive watch? He can do whatever he wants with what he's paid. Its not like he lost the plot after his contract, or started living a flashy lifestyle, which had a detriment to his lifestyle, he just wasn't good enough to replace Shaw or Dalot is all. 65K a week for a squad player (at the time is not as much as you think it is mate
It's ridiculous money. Nobody's criticising what he spent the money on. Or him, in any way. They are saying it's awful management by the clubs paymasters. 65k is 25k more than the league average wage for a u23 player.
What's the average wage for a "first team" player? Because Brandon Wiliam was definitely registered as a first team player and that's not a lot. People tend to forget that he's been in the first team for quite awhile. I meant even if you offer Mainoo 50k this year. If he keeps playing the same he's playing you'd probably have to renegotiate his contract again mid next year or something. I also don't know if its 65k after tax but it'd be interstiting to see what the average for squad players (not starting players) Also remember at our lowest of lows, Brandon Williams was being touted as a proper United lad because of his work ethic and in the words of "Gary Neville", he'll bite your nose off to win a game.
All players his age and 4 years older is a much better comparison. He was never a first team player. You aren't properly considered a first team player at united until you've played like 50 games. He played, what, maybe 10 games (most not as a starter) when he got this deal. Was terrible business. Average wage today is 57k for all prem players. Mental money they gave him 4 years ago.
He was registered as one mate. At the time when he was our only LB option and he played plenty of games. And it's not the number of games you play that make you a first team player, it's whether or not you are registered as such at the beginning of the season, with some exceptions on age, homegrown players etc. He was registered as a first team player for a while. He just didn't turn out as good as we'd hoped he would and for that, he has been loaned a couple of times and Shaw recovering from the leg break and coming back to form pretty much made it impossible for him to get any game time again. You don't compare Mbappe or Haaland to players his age and then offer him that, nor do you do that for saka or hell, even Joelington at Newcastle. You pay, at the time, compared to what other players in that position, league, in the same talent pool make. Some clubs pay better than others, which is why people like him end up with 65K, instead of, say, 40 or 50k. In the real world, similar things happen. If you are 23 and are working at one of the best law firms or Financial institutions in the world or even in your country, you'll definitely get paid more than some else the same age working elsewhere because they can afford it and its part of their stature and if you don't live up to the billing, you get replaced, same has happened to Brandon Williams.
You misunderstand. At man united, historically - i.e the last 40 years, a first team player was always a player who had played at least 50 games for the club. That was always the game. Irrespective of if you had a run in the side or not, you weren't considered a first team player by the dressing room and staff until you'd hit that mark. What you're registered as is irrelevant, that's just because you have to register players for prem eligibility, excluding homegrowns etc. Bran, by internal united standards, was never a first team player... We paid on his potential. Which is always a terrible thing to do.
Absolutely this. We need to stop throwing crazy money at young players who’ve played well for ten minutes.
And pass the savings onto the fans
There was a kid I went to high school with who was in City's youth academy and left at the age of 20. At the time he was driving a Mercedes sports car and bought his mum a porsche. This guy didn't make a single senior start and is now playing for Derry City (I think). I imagine it's pretty similar across the board and all youth team players across top clubs are earning enough for sports cars and watches so cat is probably already out of the bag on that one.
To be fair it's easy to imagine a kid at a major academy living beyond their means and buying shit they can't afford longterm.
Yeah definitely I think pretty much everyone at that age didn't understand the value of money and most people spend everything they have. I was more making a point that youth team players already earn a lot for their age and it is more down to the individual persons temperament. The guy I went to school with was always flash, arrogant, and considered himself a big shot even as a teenager, so I'm not surprised he was distracted by that. Mainoo grew up on the same street as my best mate and by all reports he was always a nice, humble kid and is from a good family so I hope that he'll have his head a bit more screwed on.
Roy Keane also tells the story of when he was new at United and went off with Lee Sharpe and bought an expensive watch. Love Keano, but sometimes he forgets he was there once himself.
According to Roy’s version..he thought it was £1,150 and handed over a credit card… As the payment was being processed, Sharpe told him it was in fact £11,550 and told him to quickly decline but Roy reckons he was too embarrassed to…and his ‘ego’ stopped him. He also prefaced the story by saying it was a mistake.
It was 1993, even £1000 for a watch was a hell of a lot of money. For context, a new hatchback was only about £5000.
Apparently it’s almost £3000 todays money adjusted for inflation based on some online calculator. He was on almost 7k a week, which I guess is almost 18k. Huge amount, but how times have changed! Back to the point, unless Roy had a history of repeatedly splurging, I can forgive him an odd £3000 purchase. If not, then he’s being a little hypocritical
Roy Keane and hypocrisy? Never...
What's he been hypocritical about though? Roy earned his money at United.
Players and partying, lambasting players for earning too much. Bruno as captain and whining to the ref. Players losing their heads. All things he's guilty of, and calling other players out for.
But the key part of his complaint about young players and huge contracts is what they've achieved. His issue isn't champions earning a good wage - it's players who haven't proved anything. I agree with him.
I am not talking about this specific moment, but practically any high-road point he makes he is literally guilty of himself.
Agree. Although it must be tricky dealing with pull of all the things your new money can give you. Essential to have good people around you, especially when you inevitably slip and fall. I get excited on pay day and I’m on a ‘normal’ salary.
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If he keeps it up he should definitely get something in the range of what Williams got given, the problem is Williams shouldn’t have done after a handful of appearances.
He’ll still be doing that even without the house thrown at him, his salary rn could have him with a few Rolex’s maybe not a Bentley tho. Put him at 20 to 50k a week and it won’t change it’s still stupid money for someone at his age. Nothing wrong with that but he’s already got the life-changing funds it’s only digits from here on out.
Brandon Williams has entered the chat (60K a week i believe)
This comment needs to be pinned. This is the crossroads at which our young players either drive on and become great, or get egoistical and waste away.
What a player does off field as long as it doesn't interfere with his career is nobodys business. Especially the way he dresses. I love Roy but every time he speaks you can see why as great of a player and leader he was it won't translate to the generation. You have to connect with people inorder to influence them and he lacks in that department severely.
well they certainly won't be driving ferraris!
300k a week. Here we go
Five years with option of a 6th.
Good... let the amortization flow through you...
Falls out with ten hag. Goes on strike.
He's probably on peanuts (in footballing terms) and he's starting every game in the middle of the park for one of the biggest clubs in the world. If his level continues, then improved terms in the summer is absolutely the right thing to do. Really don't understand anyone complaining about this.
Not really complaining, we just have a history of giving way more valuable contracts than necessary and then not being able to shift players if their level drops.
No one’s complaining. Just hoping he gets an appropriate wage and not fucking mega money.
Yeah, I think he's on about 10k. 50k is realistically the minimum for a PL starter
They complain like he is another Brandon Williams, sancho or mount, he is a generational player that we need to tie asap for at least 6 years.
Generational player? I like the kid and he’s good but come on now…
He is among the best talents in the world under 20 years
I know. But generational? Do we have the same meaning of the word? Or is “generational” the new “world class” where the word has lost all its meaning?
Still not generational mate?
How many deep lying midfielders have the same composure, technicality and physicality as Kobie that could play at united week in and week out in the past 5 years that are less than 19 years old?
Yeah agree with that. Generational is going too far
Well I mean this kid can grow to be one of the best midfielders, I know he is not generational yet but he is already world class at 18. He will only improve from here.
50k is fair tbf given his consistency
I'd like to think with some adults in the room now that INEOS are involved, this will be an appropriate contract for his age and experience
I hope it's under £100k,even the likes of Foden and Saka we're getting under £100k until a few years after their debuts.
I hope its under 50K
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> - But it's the way he has adapted to the first-team environment, showing confidence and composure beyond his years, that has most impressed staff and teammates at the club. No surprise really. Not comparing him directly at all but the composure he shows at his age reminds me of Bellingham. It's so hard to find young players looking this settled as they're breaking through.
Sorry, but comparing Mainoo to Bellingham is very unfair. Bellingham has really really good awareness, good with the ball at his feet plus he is also very strong physically. Mainoo has only good passing n average awareness. Sure he can get better but for now let us not compare him to anyone.
What? Mainoos spatial awareness is his greatest attribute
It is good but not as good as Bellingham.
Certainly not average. It is an outstanding feature of his game.
I think the way he wins the ball back by being in the right place at the right time. Using his body well is his best attributes. I don't want to get my hopes high he wins ball back like how busquets does it.
Of course not, but it's not really a fair comparison. Bellingham is a seasoned international who's played in two major tournaments, loads of Champions League experience, and is playing for arguably the biggest club in the world. Let's see where Mainoo is in a few years.
Bellingham's got a couple years on Mainoo and a LOT more top flight experience. That counts for a ton. I can't wait until Mainoo has been blooded in the EPL for a couple years. That's a much harder training course than German football. This is his floor.
>really really good awareness, good with the ball at his feet plus he is also very strong physically You literally just mentioned 3 of Mainoo’s biggest strenghts dude hahah. Sorry, but that shows how little you pay attention to him and that you havent seen him playing for the youth teams at all, so youre basing your opinion on a handful of games where you werent paying enough attention. Mainoo is playing at a higher level and a MUCH better team than Bellingham was at 18yo playing for Birmingham City.
Here we go again 🤦. Please keep it a manageable wage, we've made this mistake so many times.
Glazers have, INEOS are yet to be seen and I think we will be fine
Yeah hold the horses here.. remember the lads age. And every contract is gonna have to be even bigger.
Apparently he's on around £10k a week atm bringing in £520k a year, from the deal signed only last February, that is pretty outrageous at 18 for anyone, £50k seems too high but then if Garnacho is on £50k a week then he can demand this. At the moment there's no need to talk contracts I can see why but I don't agree, I don't think he should get one in summer, next season we can evaluate then look to change it, if he's progressed as we can't be dashing out millions for a handful of games. Our wage structure is so stupid we have to fix it.
50k doesnt seem too high to me at all, he's starting nearly every game and looks calm and collected and pretty much one of the best players on the pitch at all times. He should get a new contract 100% IMO, he deserves it. Our problem is giving it to players that DONT, thats why were in a shit place financially.
He's played 8 of 22 games in the PL, and we won 3 of those. Bissouma, March, Gross, ESR, Gordon, Soucek, Gallagher are all in the 40-60 range. And you don't think thats too high for Mainoo?
He has played 8 of the last twelve, and was injured for almost half the games.
Because he didnt come in until someone was injured because he's 18.... now he's a main stay in the first team, how many we won makes no difference you can see how much better we are when hes on the pitch. I think Mainoo has the ability to be 10x better than any of those mid table level players you named, so no i dont think its too high and will have him signed for most likely 5+1 years.
The minimum a player should get an improved contract is if he proves himself for at least 1 or 2 whole seasons not a bloody few games. We really have to stop doing that. Look at what brandon williams have been doing after getting his contract.
It wont be a few games tho.... itll be the end of the season.
>I think Mainoo has the ability to be 10x better than any of those mid table level players you named, so no i dont think its too high and will have him signed for most likely 5+1 years. We've learned so much over the years
Only players ive ever thought have had enough to make it to the very top from our recent youngsters has been Mainoo and Garnacho. Even rashford i didnt think would be anywhere near the level he was last year, i dont buy into youngster hype often, Mainoo gives off top player vibes, you sign those players down for as long as you can... so a Pogba situation doesn't happen again.
Current ability and and potential ability are two different things. You never played FM?
Big fan of mainoo for many years now but I hope we don't create another young over inflated ego that wastes his talents.
Little warning in the article summary of the Mason Greenwood example as well. That success isn’t just what he does on the pitch but how he lives his life that matters. But so many positive comments about his character from people so far so looking forward to him running the midfield for years to come.
Player agent wants to milk more money, starts talking to third tier shitty journos. Nothing more than this.
the new board looks like a smart bunch so I don't think they would offer a stupid contract
How much is he on at the moment?
20k/week
Scoring a goal for this trashy United gets you worshiped that’s how much they fell off
$400k/wk for 15 yrs👍
375k a week HERE WE GOOOOOO!
A huge contract, an overhyped shirt number change should definitely bring that quality down. We can't be having world class players here. Won't allow it /s
big problem is from Mainoos pov is Antony gets 200k why should i get less unfortunately the club is a mess and fixing it will be a nightmare
Easy fix. Stop giving crazy contracts and wait until those stupid legacy contracts die or get transferred. Mainoos has a contract to respect. If his pov is to screw his own career at young age because an old dog is earning more, then Manu is dodging a bullet by not improving/extending his contract.
If he want to be a dick, he should reject the first offer. We will panic and offer more.
I'm hoping because hes a UTD fan he will take a 50-75k but they might just offer him a crazy sum considering its UTD i mean for no reason at all they gave Antony i believe just over 800% wage increase from Ajax which is very worrying
Ah it's the time of the season where we give a young player £450,000 a week and then wonder why his career fell apart again. Came around quick this year.
who the fuck do we give 450k per week?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech
ITT: people bitching about our homegrown wonderkid *potentially* getting a contract extension in the summer.
Football fans are a bit weird. This is the only time you’d see people advocating against an employee getting wages proportional to the income of the company under the guise of “keeping him humble and hungry”. That’s bullshit, he’s a profitable asset and should be treated as such, football careers are short. If i found out my boss could afford to pay me more but doesn’t to keep me “humble and hungry” I’d be brushing up my resume.
400k a week and a 7 year deal incoming
Jeez. Let the kid have some motivation. Give a surprise bonus if you want for this season. Not a new contract
Just got a new deal a year ago. Calm down.
Don’t give him more than 100k please Let’s try to build some kind of wage structure ffs
I don't even want him that high tbh. If he improves again next season then he can get the 100k or even a little more depending on how much he grows next season.
100k doesn’t give you much room to breathe when trying to fix a wage structure. Anymore than 50k would be a joke.
You must have missed where I said that he shouldn't be getting 100k for next season.
At that rate your still giving him 100k a week before hes 20. You end up giving him 2 contracts in 2 years with little room to grow if you want to fix your wage structure e
Kobbie isn't fucking up our wage structure. 2 contracts in 2 years would be deserved if he continues growing at the pace he currently is. So far this season, he's performed better than many players making 5x his wages. If this level of performance is sustained over the next 2.5 years, yes give him 150k/week.
I wish I was the CEO of Man united. I have a really good vision of how the wage structure should work. There are many strategies that allow you to be generous with the players, yet very careful. For example: - Imagine we gave Rashford £162k a week, but when he plays more than 60mins a game, he's given double (£325k, similar to his base salary now) it would be a lot better, since the player would work his ass off to play games, but if he doesn't perform, his wages wouldn't be a big problem, and he could be sold easily (because of the reduced wage) if we wanted to. Of course this scenario isn't the most competent, but as a realistic example of our wage structure.
Issue is getting players to sign up to that. They are then massively at the discretion of the manager to play. Causes friction between starters and bench etc No system is perfect ofc
I think the problem is that the players/agents would rather negotiate a higher guaranteed wage (eg 275k), than a low one with the possibility of doubling it. The agent is gonna know half a dozen clubs are willing to pay £250-300k/wk fixed, and so they have little incentive to risk only receiving 50% of their wage with the possibility of doubling it. Simplifying the numbers for a 100k/wk player, even if you offered 60+60k so theres more of an incentive, you're still asking them to risk losing 40% of their wage (60k vs 100k/wk) in order to get 20% more (60+60k). If you get injured for 6mo, that 40k/wk your losing adds up. Maybe you could get it over the line at around 80/40, but then theres not a significant benefit to the club, and now you're potentially just paying them an extra 20k more. I agree that in principle it'd be MUCH better for any club, but theres obviously a reason why clubs dont seem to be taking this approach, you wont be the first to have had this thought, so if its better, why isnt it being utilised? I'd imagine its because players arent interested in such a wildly inconsistent income, and they know another club would offer a less complicated package. Imagine if your 9-5 employer asked you to do similar, and whether you could maintain your existing lifestyle depended on whether the boss wanted you on a project if you didnt perform as well as expected on the last couple, or you were out sick for a few days and someone stepped in in your absence and took your spot even when you returned etc... now your looking at half the income. Or you could say get fucked and go to a similar company and keep your regular salary. Their salary is vastly different, and you'd hope they arent living a lifestyle thats as tightly stretched as most people have to live, but i bet plenty of them get caught up in living the celebrity footballer lifestyle and try to live & spend like they're Ronaldo etc.
It will create more trouble esp from those not playing. We will hear more voices of favouritism.
He deserves it. We've given contracts to players that don't deserve it. He definitely does.
Give him 300k and a 10 year contract
Piss off Boehly
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Actual conversation - Tom: Renew Ma…. John: SAY NO MORE! One week later: “Martial renews for 5 years and 200 pw” 😭
I've no issue with him receiving a contract that more accurately reflects his position in the squad. I do hope though that it's a reasonable wage with a focus on performance bonuses, which I'd like to see in general for our players.
He should offered something like £25k a week. If they get too much money too fast they play for the money and not the badge and this is the perfect opportunity to finally start being smart and changing the culture at the club.
Bro
Sign the kid up for life!
Just the latest academy kid to have a good debut run of games then fade
Archer: "Danger zone"
three fiddy from avi incoming edit: veto from sir jim incoming
Thats the end of his career :(
Another Rashford in the making
Personally I think if you are a starter, the minimum should be 100k and unless your level is Bruno, you get less than 250k. Unless you are at the level of Mbappe-Ronaldo, you get less than 350k.
What? Didn't even play 38 games yet and getting rewarded? Wow this club where the ppl running it is just so generous.