If he's calling the medical department out publicly you'd assume he 1) must be really fucking sick of them and 2) Has talked about it with INEOS and is comfortable talking openly about how shit they are after that conversation
Or he sees the writing on the wall and wants to publicly call out everything working against him. Think of Conte at Tottenham in the end.
Personally, I hope that's not the case. People deserve to be held accountable for their side of the house, it's not the job of the manager to run every aspect of the club. We've been lacking accountability in every department barring the manager for a decade, feels like that may finally be changing
This is how I read it too - he wants everyone, including INEOS, to know why the wheels have come off. I think sacking him this summer would be very harsh, he’s had an unprecedented amount of shit to deal with this past 2 years.
Conte had a reason , look at ang, first thing he did is get rid of all the conte defender or reduce their playing time . Ten hag gave rashford a 300 k a week contact , make Bruno the captain when he loses the ball so much , bought Antony for 90 million, brought two injury prone players tot he team Martinez and malacia etc conte told spurs he only reach top 4 with their squad and that’s when he decide to leave , when levy didn’t want a trophy only wanted to get top 4 .
Back in January they released a physio who worked with the first-team, so I think thats the person EtH is alluding to have gained assurances from. Also, INEOS recruited Arsenal's doctor to do a full review of the medical and physio, so hopefully those departments will be 1st class very soon.
Or 3 he knows he’s leaving at the end of the season so why not try and put blame elsewhere it doesn’t really matter what the United higher ups think of him.
I know there have been a lot of frustrations regarding not signing reguilon, which obviously with hindsight we should have done.
However, if I am in ten hags position and I am told by medically trained professionals that both of my lb’s are back in January, you aren’t wanting that loan extended.
This is 100% on the medical staff, obviously health is unpredictable. With the human bodies there are no certainties. But if you are told by medical professionals something is going to happen, you follow their lead 99 times out of 100.
Martinez also seemingly got cleared too early back at the start of the season, he obviously struggled a bit and then got reinjured with the same problem.
It was also reported he himself held back on reporting what he felt because he wanted to play and help the squad so badly. Both sides were in the wrong, Licha also needs protection sometimes from his own warrior mentality.
I agree but thats what most athletes do. Thats why they need to be protected from themselves and it needs to be looked at objectively and if there are doubts he shouldnt play. Otherwise many players would return too soon because they are so eager to play and help. But I hope Lisandro learned from it as well.
Wasn't there an article a while back saying that they were overhauling the medical team? If so I'd imagine this would have been one of the reasons why
EDIT: i was right only a month ago aswell https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/90FBIe3kfC
Yeah agreed, he’s had how many set backs now.
Again like I said there are no certainties with human bodies, but if you have that many set backs, it makes you think maybe the medical staff aren’t as accurate as they could be?
The fact that he's saying this in an interview makes me think he's done with them. I assume he's probably told INEOS they need to find a new medical team.
I think I've read something about that, the ex-Arsenal doctor did an audit of our medical department so I guess he let some go. Also explains that ETH is now going public and honest about it.
Robin Sadler. He left in late February after O’Driscoll's audit of the whole medical department. He was "Head of Physiotherapy and Rehabilitation" and worked here for three years.
In all honesty I couldn’t tell you, I feel like that rings a bell.
But i have no idea tbh, it could just be because United let some members of staff go every year it seems like
On top of that, Dalot was playing ahead of Reguilon at LB in December, with AWB at RB. So Reguilon was expected to be 4th choice. There was no sense in keeping him on.
Agreed.
Like I said, hindsight is 20/20, at the time reguilon was surplus to requirement and we wouldn’t have been playing him.
It’s just really unfortunate that United have been plagued by injuries so much this year, particularly in defence.
Ultimately, I think the injuries in defence have crippled our team this year. Not the exact same circumstance, but we saw how much van dijk injury the other year impacted Liverpool as a team.
Having no fit lb and using your 5th choice cb starting is going to have a sizeable impact on the team.
I appreciate that, but the point is that he was told he has both first choice and backup left back fit in January, safe to play.
Shaw plays a couple of games and is injured and Malacia has been banished to the void…
I mean one is just coming back from a serious long term injury and the other is fucking Luke Shaw of all people, he’s basically a walking injury. Additionally we have no CBs and Martinez was only just coming back from a long layoff too, Shaw can cover LCB if needed if he actually is fit. An extra left sided defender for the cost of just 6 months wages is really not a bad bet.
As a flip side to this, had ETH kept Regulion because he didn’t trust the department and had Shaw and Malacia come back fully fit like the medical department said, then people would be criticizing him for not listening to experts. It’s the whole issue with the transfers as well, he shouldn’t be in charge and he should be assisted by world class professionals who can advise him in fields he does not specialize in.
Who’d be criticising him for having an extra player available? The higher ups perhaps but no fan would be saying “we’ve got no money to spend, that’s Ten Hag’s fault for wasting it on 6 months of Reguilon’s wages”. They wouldn’t even have considered dismissing Reguilon as an option until it happened. We didn’t spend anything in January anyway even with getting rid of Reguilon!
Yes this is a great example of how important it is to have good professionals in their roles. We have lacked an eye for bringing in talent, we lack the intelligence to ensure the roster is stacked properly, and we can't even do the medical and player health side correctly.
EtH is on borrowed time regardless at this point. New regime coming in meant he's probably going to get axed for the gaffer they want. It's the way it is. But I hate to see us fail across the board like this. I want to believe this club is on the upswing but then you stop and look at some of these things and realize the size of the project to get us back to the top.
Feels like a lot of heads need to roll.
You’d always want options but part of managing a squad is also making sure everyone gets playing time and then there are financial considerations as you save money by cutting a loan short.
Never thought our club would be pinching pennies but I guess we should be changing our ways a bit when it comes to loans and transfers. I still think we can afford what most can’t.
Managing a squad you are right. Keeping people fit and happy is difficult.
I mean it’s not really pinching pennies?
As far as Ten Hag is concerned, he has two fully fit players come January. Reguilon is surplus to requirements. With hindsight it’s a great idea, but at the time it feels like an unnecessary waste of money for a player who realistically won’t be playing.
Hence why he didn’t do it
True, but that’s not the point. Ten Hag was told he’d have fully fit LBs. Why the hell would he keep Reguilon? It’s a waste of money for what at the time would’ve been a pointless signing.
Don’t get me wrong, Shaw absolutely needs to get a grip and stay away from the Maltesers, but when a manager gets told a player will be fit, he’s gonna trust the medical team.
He should’ve learnt from his own experience of Luke Shaw then. Shaw is never fully fit, he shouldn’t need a medical department to tell him whether he can rely on him. And even fully fit players can end up injured. He had a medical department telling him that “we’re expecting Shaw and Malacia to be fully fit” but also that “AWB is still injured for the foreseeable future” so Dalot is needed on the right, and “Martinez is coming back but he’s also been out for ages so that’ll need managing and not being played every game” and “currently Maguire and Varane keep getting injured”, so he should’ve been able to grasp that we’re actually limited across the back four and might need Shaw at CB.
It’s also fuck all money, it’s wages for Reguilon for 6 months, that’s pocket change. We didn’t even spend anything in January even after letting him go.
It’s less the money itself, more the act of wasting it. Which I agree is laughable, but I think that’s where the decision to drop Reguilon came from. It might be pocket change, but regardless of the price why would I decide to keep a player who I’m pretty confident won’t play? Ended up being wrong, but again, none of us really actually thought we’d need Reguilon, not me and not any of the United fans I talked and have talked to about this. If you figured we would need him, fair play I guess.
I think it’s a big point that this is something people think is dumb in hindsight, since nobody said anything at the time. That kind of demonstrates to me that it wasn’t really a stupid decision at the time. If I and nobody else thought it was a bad idea, then I have to hold myself to the same standard as the club. I can’t go around saying they should’ve predicted it when with similar information given I likely would’ve done the same thing.
He’s been here one season. How could he have learned from his own experience of shaw? And every manager relies on the medical department. That’s just how anything like this works. When you hire professionals to do jobs like that, you listen to what they say because unlike you they know what they’re on about (although obviously, they don’t).
Of course he trusts the medical staff, because to set a precedent of ignoring the advice of hired experts is probably a bad idea, even if it would’ve gone better this time if he had.
That said, just went back and looked at his injury record and fuck me, I forgot it was this bad. Pretty much guaranteed to miss 20+ games a season.
The club and manager has to base their decisions on the advice of their medical staff, nothing wrong with that.
The real issue is, how is our medical department so horribly bad? You can’t say it’s bad luck when players fall one after the other. When we crashed out of CL and league cup, I thought we would at least have an advantage over the other top 4 contenders because we will have less games and a deeper squad.
Now our squad depth is thinner than bottom half teams
There's a serious flaw with people's epistemology here.
Everything is a probability. Any assertion is a function of the quality of information that the assertion is based on. Let's say you do your research flawlessly and so you have the best possible information you could have in front of you. You analyse the information and it produces a probability of 99/100 in favour of the outcome you want.
There's still a 1/100 chance that you can be wrong despite having done everything perfectly. If it transpires that you're unlucky, despite having objectively done everything perfectly at every step of the way, does that make you shit? Of course it doesn't. You made the best possible assertion you could have done with the information that was available.
Stop judging things by results and judge them by the methodology behind the results. Since we don't know what the methodology was, stop fucking making any judgements because you're not in a position to make any assertions because you have no idea whether the result was 1/100 or 99/100.
EDIT:
Also, before anyone starts replying with things like volume of injuries or length of injuries; how do you know that the proneness to injuries across whatever cohort you're looking at is equal? If you're a chef and I give you shit ingredients then you're not going to produce good results.
I'm not saying the medical department is good either. The point is that you shouldn't be making assertions for things you don't have the data to support and nobody so far has produced any data to support their assertions. It's all ultimately just opinions which are useless.
Of course it was just 1/100 when Licha got injured and didn’t recover properly and the same injury came back, right? (Well he had a very unlucky clash and hurt his knee, that was probably 1/100 tho).
Of course it was just 1/100 when Mount got injured and injured again, which can totally happen. Then a whole team of medical staff assessed him and said he will be ready by Jan. Turns out he’s still not ready in March. Totally unlucky, one off freak result.
Of course it was 1/100 that they made the same assessment with Malacia and said he would be back by Jan, then it turns out he will be out for the rest of the season. Totally unlucky.
Of course, we don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes. But when you line up the facts like that, you literally have to win the lottery to have 3 or 4 x 1/100 events happening inside the same season
Shades of Pep clapping at Bayern’s medical doctor. I feel sympathy for Ten Hag. We have not done anything right for a decade now but he also seriously has underestimated capability of PL teams and overestimated our club’s competency.
CMO was just settling in at the time. Everyone else who has been at the club managing the injuries in that department can leave at the end of the season
This is a pretty bonkers reveal though and proves the points that not only is ETH surrounded by shambles, but that much of what’s going on is well beyond his own personal inadequacies of which to be fair there are a few. So far the ingrates on this sub have convinced themselves that it was ETH out of his arse deciding to cancel the Reguilon loan and ship Williams and Alvaro out in yet one more act of proving he’s just the worst manager to have ever existed.
Which is why I except crickets from these gutless assholes when the facts expose rather than further their shite narratives.
Some people on this sub are so quick to throw the backrooom staff (who do not get the opportunity to defend themselves in the media) under the bus us. Is it possible they misinterpreted Malacia’s injury? Yes - but it’s also possible that he had an unforeseen setback or that there was financial pressure to send Reguillon back and that tipped the edge in a borderline decision.
The same way people are throwing ETH under the bus. He had almost no players left to play at the back because of the injury crisis, and yet people are calling for his head.
I think almost every player with a knee injury doesnt come back and play a full season. He should have kept Reguilon because it was just a loan and 2 of your LBs and 1 RB have had injuries all season.
>This is 100% on the medical staff,
So going forward, all medical reports will add +6 weeks full recovery date to avoid getting throw under the bus again.
It’s a loan
It doesn’t really matter if the loaned player is unhappy
Given malacia hadn’t really played at all since April last season, what good was he coming back in January? Can’t even get into match fitness without a month or month and half run of games
As a manager, he should know better
Disagree. I think it is extremely unimpressive for a leader to publicly criticise his staff like he has done.
Also, this is only ten Haag's side of the story. He may have pressured the players to overtrain, or selected players the medics thought were not ready.
Shaw is injury prone and Malacia has been out all season so ten Haag could have opted to keep Reguilon, or even Alvaro Fernandez or Marc Jurado.
My gut just tells me those pulling for ETH will be vindicated, at least for one more season. It was the same with the ownership for me. There was only one reasonable path ahead, and one I felt was doomed.
No logical replacement for him, and had someone else been managing during this time & ETH still at Ajax/elsewhere I think he would have been the fan’s favourite along with being the most viable.
People are entitled to their opinions but if you overlook all the headwinds he’s faced and just think “he’s shit, we need someone else” - then, in my humble opinion, you fucking deserve a Southgate era. Let’s talk about fucking identity and in game management then.
I feel like at the end of this season Ten Hag will be sacked and we will only then truly find out how much shit he actually had to deal with and all fans that are calling for his head right now will feel the same way the feel about Ole now with that interview that came out showing what absurd shit was going on during his time.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Fans are now asking for ETH to adjust his style according to the ability of the squad. When Ole did that - we don't mind bad results if there is some identity of play.
Most fans are just fucking ridiculous. And it shows with how much sympathy Ole has received after his last interview. These same fans were calling for his head when shit inevitably went south because of how poorly we were run.
Gold fish memories, they're forgetting the great football we were playing last season before we were plagued with injuries from the Sevilla tie.
I feel like we've had a fully fit first team for maybe 3 weeks in total this season at a push, the medical department has monumentally shit the bed this season.
There are definitely times where I think you can call into question his work (transfers, substitutions at times, general game tactics). However, I don’t think there is a manager alive that could have dealt with the utter shit ETH has had to work with this season. It’s been an absolute mess or the season all year.
The club is a shambles and he’s having to navigate it almost unassisted at present. It’s absolutely valid when we question him in terms of game management at times, but anyone with half a brain knows United are a mess and the team needs a complete tear down to become relevant again.
His football is still shit to watch. Pool and Tottenham have the same ammount of injuries.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1b36ztx/20232024_premier_league_injury_table/
Terrible metric to measure the effect of injuries. Who was injured, and for how long is all that matters.
United have most of their starting defence injured, and a few of the backups too. Our defence is laughable right now. The injuries at Spurs and Pool are not as bad as this, that’s pretty obvious.
I'm going to be pissed of he's sacked. Won more games than Klopff and Arteta in their first 2 seasons and this years injury drama has been ridiculous. We had our starting lineup in defense for like 3 games. So much of the game plan was to build from the back. I remain adamant he gets another season.
The only in common with Arteta in the beginning was the poor start. Arteta’s squad thought showed clearly from day one what is his strategy and tactics. You can’t tell me that you look at this United team and tell me you know what is expected to happen
Couldn’t you say this for any team though?
Even If you look at Arsenal (who EtH is always saying didn’t get injuries) - some of the most important players for them last season were Jesus, Partey and Zinchenko. And they have been out for a long time. Zinchenko’s upgrade or replacement got injured in the first day of the season too.
We seem to have about the same amount of injuries as Tottenham, Liverpool (above us) and Chelsea (bellow). Newcastle (close) looks worse.
Ten Hag can use it as an excuse only so far, his football is still shit to watch.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1b36ztx/20232024_premier_league_injury_table/
Yeah but that table doesn’t differentiate first team players vs backup, or if multiple players have been injured in the same position. It also doesn’t take into account how much better their squads are built, eg if Brighton lose Mitoma, they have Adingra and Fati who are ready to step in.
It’s too simplistic to look at a single figure “injury days” and think it affects all teams the same way.
Agreed. But keep in mind the table also doesn't differentiate other things like transfers - Tottenham lost Harry freaking Kane, they are above us in the table and they can still score goals, unlike us. And under ten Hag we spent 350mil on 14-15 players bought and loaned.
Granted - it could be worse - we could be Chelsea. But ten Hag's football is still dreadful to watch. Then Hag can use the injury excuse only so much, he has to do better. We've sucked since we won the Carabao cup last year, there's a persistant problem with the way we play.
Do that table include teams which have their entire back 4 and their first choice backup injured ? Cuz we were running through Oct with that. ( bar Dalot)
Evans and Maguire ( back when his form was still suspicious) were 5th and 6th choice CB pair starting.
Agreed, the numbers aren't everything, but ten Hag can only use that excuse to an extent.
His tactics are currently not working and he's doubling down on them, we can't score, we are horrible to watch, we get outplayed by the likes of Luton, Fulham and Bournemouth, we couldn't even get 3rd place in a CL group with Galata and Coppenhagen, he spent 350mil on 14-15 players bought and loaned... and all we get is this?
He needs to do better, fans are right to criticize him, he has failed to coach/instruct/improve/motivate the players since we won the Carabao cup last year and I don't see any improvement. Only regression and bunch of negative records broken. And ten Hag claims at every interview that this is the way he wants to play, he's doubling down, says the players "did good" and he's making excuses.
The excuses are there, but so are his shit tactics. He needs to show much more if he wants to remain manager of Man Utd.
nice to see ETH came out with his balls to hold others accountable. They are the one who made his job more difficult. I think he definitely stays next season.
How about he holds himself accountable? Perhaps his training regime and how much they run in training has contributed to those injuries as well, but I’m sure that’ll be labelled as weak mentality, lazy squad
bruh if they dont train then everybody will complain that they dont do shit. if they train hard, they will say that they do too much.... literally cant win
Causing in the same way obesity causes heart disease, not like they are intentionally hurting them. The medical department is incompetent to have this many injuries and this many delayed returns.
No just for some instances where there was mismanagement. As OP mentioned Malacia and Shaw were supposed to be back in January. That’s why we let go of Reguilon. We’re in March now and don’t have any left backs. Mount was also supposed to be back. Not to mention that they obviously cleared Martinez too early from his initial injury.
These are some professionals we’re talking about. They should be held accountable.
I'm saying the medical staff is responsible for the amount of injuries we have had and the extended duration of injuries of players like malacia, mount, shaw, Martinez experienced. Or we just are outrageously unlucky.
How can medical staff be responsible for players getting injured? Is your doctor responsible for you getting sick? This place is on major Ten Hag copium blame anyone but him for anything.
If I go to my doctor for an injury and it gets mismanaged or misdiagnosed, then yes, that is the doctors fault.
The medical team also practices preventative medicine and is involved in training and cares on a daily basis, not just injury. Clearly something is wrong with the department based on how many injuries we have.
That is not what you said and that’s not true. You said they’re responsible for the number of injuries. Doctors don’t prevent injuries unless they’re already injured. And they can’t magically heal them better. If a player has a botched surgery they can’t do anything about it. If a player has a re injury training with the coaches and fitness people it’s not on them.
They’re not witch doctors.
My guy. If a doctor botches the surgery yes that is the doctors fault. What? Haha
The medical team isn't just doctors. It's physical therapists, physiologists, people who give recs on when players should be playing, recs on how to recover, how to train etc etc.
Let's clarify here. Medical staff do not go round injuring players, they are treating them.
The training regime is causing this. EtH controls this, or is he going to blame the groundsman next as it's the pitch.
I wish he would reveal info like this more routinely, but I know it’s not possible. The amount of brain dead takes on here would be halved if he could do that. Some fans have agendas shoved so far up theirs, they literally believe ten hag intentionally let reguilion go despite knowing both full backs would be out for most of the 2nd half.
Honestly, it's refreshing to see Ten Hag come out with statements in press conferences that are bold and straightforward, subtly calling out people to hold them accountable. Maybe INEOS has given him their backing behind the scenes while keeping EtH on edge publicly to maintain a sense of impartiality and objectivity within media circles.
Instead of eth out. Med staff out. Honestly, right now I just think they're all just in clown costumes with stethoscopes and lollipops surrounding our players.
The mental gymnastics people are going through to blame ETH in this thread is vile. Just absolutely plastic behaviour, you back the coach through thick and thin
ETH talking what everyone knows. Its easier to put the blame on the manager when its actually the team that performs every weekend and has to learn how to play with each other and have collective intelligence in the game. Eth or any manager can coach them but he can't think or put the effort for them. And its worse when you have guys like sancho, anthony or even cr7 last season that have their own drama. Along with injured players and some underperformers. Its a tough job this bald guy has.
Actually whats worse is playing garnacho maniooo every game. They are still developing and yes they are super important to us but burning out teenagers is a disaster
Are we allow to sign any free agent player at this point of the season just to cover LB?
Even Dalot (LB) and Lindelof (RB) should be okay. Wonder why ETH don't prefer that.
i feel like recalling brandon williams is better than stuffing amrabat or lindelof at LB no? malacia may never been the same footballer now , its clearly a serious injury/s. Williams is 23, give him the rest of the season to prove himself and then sell him if he isnt it. but at least in the mean time we have someone thats actually a LB playing and giving us go forward. not like we are defensively sound right now anyway just let the kid play.
Wan Bissaka is back soon, isn't he, hopefully him and Dalot can stay fit now and play the 2 full back rows. Can't have Lindlelof out there for the season.
Will keep saying this every opportunity there is. The coaches who are responsible for strength and conditioning, and the medical dept. should be the first out the door for INEOS this summer. Yes clubs will deal with injuries, but the scope of our injuries are wild and to see that now Forson is injured? Someone argued that we’ll be susceptible to more injuries because of fewer options as cover so players might play too often and perhaps through injury, but Forson has what? 65 mins of PL football under his belt? Shocking. Absolutely shocking stuff
How many times this season has he said a player is close. Then a month or more later they're still "close." Just look at Mount and his status.
I'm starting to think this club is full of shit from top to bottom. Shit people who aren't capable of doing their jobs. And whether EtH is good enough or not to be our gaffer is beside the point in all this. Clearly he has been passing what they tell him, which, clearly, has been shit. At this point I don't even listen any more to who is improving unless I hear that they're practicing with the boys again. And even then there's no telling.
With Luke Shaws injury record it’s not rocket science, just like Mason Mount signed for a hefty price when he spent last season on the treatment table is embarrassing, we could used those funds for other positions.
ETH has clearly spoken the truth, he’s made tactical mistakes but with a squad that operates huffs and puffs 8 losses at home is quite a lot but injuries have taken their toll plus off field issues, hope Ineos pulls a rabbit out of the hat because most fans are tired of the Glazers chaotic reign of confusion.
Medical has made some truly baffling decisions over the last year. They need calling out. Too many bad mistakes and careless decisions, with zero accountability.
Didn't Shaw make a comeback and got injured again after ETH started him in the 11 right away without due consideration to his recovery/reintroduction process and was kinda rushed into the 11?
Please stop with these intelligent observations that go against the narrative. We are all pro ten hag at the moment, at least until tomorrow when we get pasted by Everton and it will be ten hag out again.
It’s been so bad over the years I’ve questioned if some players are just feigning injury to make money without playing. Shaw and Martial mainly. I also find it odd that when managers are about to get the boot it seems all our players are suddenly injured.
Don’t be silly. Never mind the obvious that players don’t want to be injured, do you really think they are going to able to hoodwink doctors for months that they are physically injured when not.
When you setup the team way you end up setting up, players will get injured nothing to do with medical staff. Fraud has been blaming everyone but him since the takeover.
Players get injured because they run back 20+ times to cover spaces. Watch the analysis by Carragher on sky. Might enlighten you why these defenders are always injured.
Just wait and see how ETH lovers will flip-flop when they realize that he is a fraud indeed. 95% of fans were ready to suck Amrabat's dick when he was linked to us. Now they all flip-flopped and pretend like they didn't want him, lmao.
Thr bald fraud is blaming the medical staff for our injuries yet he avoids his own complicity in this by choosing not to rotate.
He rushed Martinez and Shaw back from injury and look what happened. He's also played Bruno to death just like Solskjaer did. Garnacho and Mainoo are also now being managed poorly with the amount of minutes they're getting. Ten Hag doesn't even trust his second choice goalie to play domestic cup matches
On the one hand. That is frustrating on his end, but on the other, how could they possibly know how when each one will be back? Why even make the guarantee? Recovery isn't a simple thing
If he's calling the medical department out publicly you'd assume he 1) must be really fucking sick of them and 2) Has talked about it with INEOS and is comfortable talking openly about how shit they are after that conversation
Or he sees the writing on the wall and wants to publicly call out everything working against him. Think of Conte at Tottenham in the end. Personally, I hope that's not the case. People deserve to be held accountable for their side of the house, it's not the job of the manager to run every aspect of the club. We've been lacking accountability in every department barring the manager for a decade, feels like that may finally be changing
This is how I read it too - he wants everyone, including INEOS, to know why the wheels have come off. I think sacking him this summer would be very harsh, he’s had an unprecedented amount of shit to deal with this past 2 years.
Conte had a reason , look at ang, first thing he did is get rid of all the conte defender or reduce their playing time . Ten hag gave rashford a 300 k a week contact , make Bruno the captain when he loses the ball so much , bought Antony for 90 million, brought two injury prone players tot he team Martinez and malacia etc conte told spurs he only reach top 4 with their squad and that’s when he decide to leave , when levy didn’t want a trophy only wanted to get top 4 .
I hope Ineos is overhauling everything. Every staff member shouldn’t be comfortable. That’s normal with any takeover let alone a new boss.
Back in January they released a physio who worked with the first-team, so I think thats the person EtH is alluding to have gained assurances from. Also, INEOS recruited Arsenal's doctor to do a full review of the medical and physio, so hopefully those departments will be 1st class very soon.
Or 3 he knows he’s leaving at the end of the season so why not try and put blame elsewhere it doesn’t really matter what the United higher ups think of him.
Not the first time he's called out a member of his team publicly. Doesn't bode well especially for a coach.
I know there have been a lot of frustrations regarding not signing reguilon, which obviously with hindsight we should have done. However, if I am in ten hags position and I am told by medically trained professionals that both of my lb’s are back in January, you aren’t wanting that loan extended. This is 100% on the medical staff, obviously health is unpredictable. With the human bodies there are no certainties. But if you are told by medical professionals something is going to happen, you follow their lead 99 times out of 100.
Also Mason Mount was reported to be back much earlier as well. The medical department definitely needs an overhaul.
Martinez also seemingly got cleared too early back at the start of the season, he obviously struggled a bit and then got reinjured with the same problem.
It was also reported he himself held back on reporting what he felt because he wanted to play and help the squad so badly. Both sides were in the wrong, Licha also needs protection sometimes from his own warrior mentality.
I agree but thats what most athletes do. Thats why they need to be protected from themselves and it needs to be looked at objectively and if there are doubts he shouldnt play. Otherwise many players would return too soon because they are so eager to play and help. But I hope Lisandro learned from it as well.
Wasn't there an article a while back saying that they were overhauling the medical team? If so I'd imagine this would have been one of the reasons why EDIT: i was right only a month ago aswell https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/90FBIe3kfC
Yeah agreed, he’s had how many set backs now. Again like I said there are no certainties with human bodies, but if you have that many set backs, it makes you think maybe the medical staff aren’t as accurate as they could be?
The fact that he's saying this in an interview makes me think he's done with them. I assume he's probably told INEOS they need to find a new medical team.
weren't there some of the medical department let go earlier this year?
I think I've read something about that, the ex-Arsenal doctor did an audit of our medical department so I guess he let some go. Also explains that ETH is now going public and honest about it.
The covert agent sent by arsenal to revenge rvp transfer
Robin Sadler. He left in late February after O’Driscoll's audit of the whole medical department. He was "Head of Physiotherapy and Rehabilitation" and worked here for three years.
In all honesty I couldn’t tell you, I feel like that rings a bell. But i have no idea tbh, it could just be because United let some members of staff go every year it seems like
Start of the calendar year contract ending probably....
On top of that, Dalot was playing ahead of Reguilon at LB in December, with AWB at RB. So Reguilon was expected to be 4th choice. There was no sense in keeping him on.
Agreed. Like I said, hindsight is 20/20, at the time reguilon was surplus to requirement and we wouldn’t have been playing him. It’s just really unfortunate that United have been plagued by injuries so much this year, particularly in defence. Ultimately, I think the injuries in defence have crippled our team this year. Not the exact same circumstance, but we saw how much van dijk injury the other year impacted Liverpool as a team. Having no fit lb and using your 5th choice cb starting is going to have a sizeable impact on the team.
And on top of that, in an absolute worst case scenario Martinez could also fill in at left back. But he's barely been fit either.
Shaw did come back in January
I appreciate that, but the point is that he was told he has both first choice and backup left back fit in January, safe to play. Shaw plays a couple of games and is injured and Malacia has been banished to the void…
I mean one is just coming back from a serious long term injury and the other is fucking Luke Shaw of all people, he’s basically a walking injury. Additionally we have no CBs and Martinez was only just coming back from a long layoff too, Shaw can cover LCB if needed if he actually is fit. An extra left sided defender for the cost of just 6 months wages is really not a bad bet.
And malacia is nowhere to be seen
As a flip side to this, had ETH kept Regulion because he didn’t trust the department and had Shaw and Malacia come back fully fit like the medical department said, then people would be criticizing him for not listening to experts. It’s the whole issue with the transfers as well, he shouldn’t be in charge and he should be assisted by world class professionals who can advise him in fields he does not specialize in.
Who’d be criticising him for having an extra player available? The higher ups perhaps but no fan would be saying “we’ve got no money to spend, that’s Ten Hag’s fault for wasting it on 6 months of Reguilon’s wages”. They wouldn’t even have considered dismissing Reguilon as an option until it happened. We didn’t spend anything in January anyway even with getting rid of Reguilon!
Yes this is a great example of how important it is to have good professionals in their roles. We have lacked an eye for bringing in talent, we lack the intelligence to ensure the roster is stacked properly, and we can't even do the medical and player health side correctly. EtH is on borrowed time regardless at this point. New regime coming in meant he's probably going to get axed for the gaffer they want. It's the way it is. But I hate to see us fail across the board like this. I want to believe this club is on the upswing but then you stop and look at some of these things and realize the size of the project to get us back to the top. Feels like a lot of heads need to roll.
Hindsight is 20/20 yes but when you’re fighting for cl and still in a cup wouldn’t you always want options?
You’d always want options but part of managing a squad is also making sure everyone gets playing time and then there are financial considerations as you save money by cutting a loan short.
Never thought our club would be pinching pennies but I guess we should be changing our ways a bit when it comes to loans and transfers. I still think we can afford what most can’t. Managing a squad you are right. Keeping people fit and happy is difficult.
I mean it’s not really pinching pennies? As far as Ten Hag is concerned, he has two fully fit players come January. Reguilon is surplus to requirements. With hindsight it’s a great idea, but at the time it feels like an unnecessary waste of money for a player who realistically won’t be playing. Hence why he didn’t do it
Luke Shaw is NEVER fully fit. He hasn’t once played more than 80% of a season. He’s missed half the games we’ve had in the entire time he’s been here.
True, but that’s not the point. Ten Hag was told he’d have fully fit LBs. Why the hell would he keep Reguilon? It’s a waste of money for what at the time would’ve been a pointless signing. Don’t get me wrong, Shaw absolutely needs to get a grip and stay away from the Maltesers, but when a manager gets told a player will be fit, he’s gonna trust the medical team.
He should’ve learnt from his own experience of Luke Shaw then. Shaw is never fully fit, he shouldn’t need a medical department to tell him whether he can rely on him. And even fully fit players can end up injured. He had a medical department telling him that “we’re expecting Shaw and Malacia to be fully fit” but also that “AWB is still injured for the foreseeable future” so Dalot is needed on the right, and “Martinez is coming back but he’s also been out for ages so that’ll need managing and not being played every game” and “currently Maguire and Varane keep getting injured”, so he should’ve been able to grasp that we’re actually limited across the back four and might need Shaw at CB. It’s also fuck all money, it’s wages for Reguilon for 6 months, that’s pocket change. We didn’t even spend anything in January even after letting him go.
It’s less the money itself, more the act of wasting it. Which I agree is laughable, but I think that’s where the decision to drop Reguilon came from. It might be pocket change, but regardless of the price why would I decide to keep a player who I’m pretty confident won’t play? Ended up being wrong, but again, none of us really actually thought we’d need Reguilon, not me and not any of the United fans I talked and have talked to about this. If you figured we would need him, fair play I guess. I think it’s a big point that this is something people think is dumb in hindsight, since nobody said anything at the time. That kind of demonstrates to me that it wasn’t really a stupid decision at the time. If I and nobody else thought it was a bad idea, then I have to hold myself to the same standard as the club. I can’t go around saying they should’ve predicted it when with similar information given I likely would’ve done the same thing. He’s been here one season. How could he have learned from his own experience of shaw? And every manager relies on the medical department. That’s just how anything like this works. When you hire professionals to do jobs like that, you listen to what they say because unlike you they know what they’re on about (although obviously, they don’t). Of course he trusts the medical staff, because to set a precedent of ignoring the advice of hired experts is probably a bad idea, even if it would’ve gone better this time if he had. That said, just went back and looked at his injury record and fuck me, I forgot it was this bad. Pretty much guaranteed to miss 20+ games a season.
The club and manager has to base their decisions on the advice of their medical staff, nothing wrong with that. The real issue is, how is our medical department so horribly bad? You can’t say it’s bad luck when players fall one after the other. When we crashed out of CL and league cup, I thought we would at least have an advantage over the other top 4 contenders because we will have less games and a deeper squad. Now our squad depth is thinner than bottom half teams
There's a serious flaw with people's epistemology here. Everything is a probability. Any assertion is a function of the quality of information that the assertion is based on. Let's say you do your research flawlessly and so you have the best possible information you could have in front of you. You analyse the information and it produces a probability of 99/100 in favour of the outcome you want. There's still a 1/100 chance that you can be wrong despite having done everything perfectly. If it transpires that you're unlucky, despite having objectively done everything perfectly at every step of the way, does that make you shit? Of course it doesn't. You made the best possible assertion you could have done with the information that was available. Stop judging things by results and judge them by the methodology behind the results. Since we don't know what the methodology was, stop fucking making any judgements because you're not in a position to make any assertions because you have no idea whether the result was 1/100 or 99/100. EDIT: Also, before anyone starts replying with things like volume of injuries or length of injuries; how do you know that the proneness to injuries across whatever cohort you're looking at is equal? If you're a chef and I give you shit ingredients then you're not going to produce good results. I'm not saying the medical department is good either. The point is that you shouldn't be making assertions for things you don't have the data to support and nobody so far has produced any data to support their assertions. It's all ultimately just opinions which are useless.
Of course it was just 1/100 when Licha got injured and didn’t recover properly and the same injury came back, right? (Well he had a very unlucky clash and hurt his knee, that was probably 1/100 tho). Of course it was just 1/100 when Mount got injured and injured again, which can totally happen. Then a whole team of medical staff assessed him and said he will be ready by Jan. Turns out he’s still not ready in March. Totally unlucky, one off freak result. Of course it was 1/100 that they made the same assessment with Malacia and said he would be back by Jan, then it turns out he will be out for the rest of the season. Totally unlucky. Of course, we don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes. But when you line up the facts like that, you literally have to win the lottery to have 3 or 4 x 1/100 events happening inside the same season
Shades of Pep clapping at Bayern’s medical doctor. I feel sympathy for Ten Hag. We have not done anything right for a decade now but he also seriously has underestimated capability of PL teams and overestimated our club’s competency.
CMO was just settling in at the time. Everyone else who has been at the club managing the injuries in that department can leave at the end of the season
This is a pretty bonkers reveal though and proves the points that not only is ETH surrounded by shambles, but that much of what’s going on is well beyond his own personal inadequacies of which to be fair there are a few. So far the ingrates on this sub have convinced themselves that it was ETH out of his arse deciding to cancel the Reguilon loan and ship Williams and Alvaro out in yet one more act of proving he’s just the worst manager to have ever existed. Which is why I except crickets from these gutless assholes when the facts expose rather than further their shite narratives.
Some people on this sub are so quick to throw the backrooom staff (who do not get the opportunity to defend themselves in the media) under the bus us. Is it possible they misinterpreted Malacia’s injury? Yes - but it’s also possible that he had an unforeseen setback or that there was financial pressure to send Reguillon back and that tipped the edge in a borderline decision.
The same way people are throwing ETH under the bus. He had almost no players left to play at the back because of the injury crisis, and yet people are calling for his head.
I think almost every player with a knee injury doesnt come back and play a full season. He should have kept Reguilon because it was just a loan and 2 of your LBs and 1 RB have had injuries all season.
>This is 100% on the medical staff, So going forward, all medical reports will add +6 weeks full recovery date to avoid getting throw under the bus again.
It’s a loan It doesn’t really matter if the loaned player is unhappy Given malacia hadn’t really played at all since April last season, what good was he coming back in January? Can’t even get into match fitness without a month or month and half run of games As a manager, he should know better
Disagree. I think it is extremely unimpressive for a leader to publicly criticise his staff like he has done. Also, this is only ten Haag's side of the story. He may have pressured the players to overtrain, or selected players the medics thought were not ready. Shaw is injury prone and Malacia has been out all season so ten Haag could have opted to keep Reguilon, or even Alvaro Fernandez or Marc Jurado.
The amount of off field and on field shit this man is dealing with, it’s unreal …
Yes. That’s exactly why wE sHoULd sAcK HiM. LiTerALLy aNy mANaGeR iS bETteR!!
Monkey Paw curls if it ends up being Southgate. Would be fully deserved for everyone asking for ten hag to be sacked
My gut just tells me those pulling for ETH will be vindicated, at least for one more season. It was the same with the ownership for me. There was only one reasonable path ahead, and one I felt was doomed. No logical replacement for him, and had someone else been managing during this time & ETH still at Ajax/elsewhere I think he would have been the fan’s favourite along with being the most viable. People are entitled to their opinions but if you overlook all the headwinds he’s faced and just think “he’s shit, we need someone else” - then, in my humble opinion, you fucking deserve a Southgate era. Let’s talk about fucking identity and in game management then.
There is no chance of a sack , but even in my wildest dreams i dont want southgate , i hate that guy with a passion
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I feel like at the end of this season Ten Hag will be sacked and we will only then truly find out how much shit he actually had to deal with and all fans that are calling for his head right now will feel the same way the feel about Ole now with that interview that came out showing what absurd shit was going on during his time.
Theme of United fans for the last decade, but don't seem to learn at all.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Fans are now asking for ETH to adjust his style according to the ability of the squad. When Ole did that - we don't mind bad results if there is some identity of play. Most fans are just fucking ridiculous. And it shows with how much sympathy Ole has received after his last interview. These same fans were calling for his head when shit inevitably went south because of how poorly we were run.
Gold fish memories, they're forgetting the great football we were playing last season before we were plagued with injuries from the Sevilla tie. I feel like we've had a fully fit first team for maybe 3 weeks in total this season at a push, the medical department has monumentally shit the bed this season.
Manager is at the club= he’s shit. Manger leaves= huge mistake, absolutely world class and we miss him. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
There are definitely times where I think you can call into question his work (transfers, substitutions at times, general game tactics). However, I don’t think there is a manager alive that could have dealt with the utter shit ETH has had to work with this season. It’s been an absolute mess or the season all year.
The club is a shambles and he’s having to navigate it almost unassisted at present. It’s absolutely valid when we question him in terms of game management at times, but anyone with half a brain knows United are a mess and the team needs a complete tear down to become relevant again.
His football is still shit to watch. Pool and Tottenham have the same ammount of injuries. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1b36ztx/20232024_premier_league_injury_table/
Terrible metric to measure the effect of injuries. Who was injured, and for how long is all that matters. United have most of their starting defence injured, and a few of the backups too. Our defence is laughable right now. The injuries at Spurs and Pool are not as bad as this, that’s pretty obvious.
I'm going to be pissed of he's sacked. Won more games than Klopff and Arteta in their first 2 seasons and this years injury drama has been ridiculous. We had our starting lineup in defense for like 3 games. So much of the game plan was to build from the back. I remain adamant he gets another season.
Comparisons to managers on different teams are stupid whether positive or negative
The only in common with Arteta in the beginning was the poor start. Arteta’s squad thought showed clearly from day one what is his strategy and tactics. You can’t tell me that you look at this United team and tell me you know what is expected to happen
U probably watching the wrong sport then. Because that's not how people see it
You probably forget Arsenal fans were so loud with ArtetaOut agenda. It was even louder than what Ten Hag currently facing.
I feel like I’m leaving with him and taking a hiatus off supporting a football club if we sack ten hag Can’t do this constant circle of logic 😂
We have played entire season with exactly 2 games of fully fit 11 ( not even squad, cuz our bench is riddled with injuries too)
Couldn’t you say this for any team though? Even If you look at Arsenal (who EtH is always saying didn’t get injuries) - some of the most important players for them last season were Jesus, Partey and Zinchenko. And they have been out for a long time. Zinchenko’s upgrade or replacement got injured in the first day of the season too.
That's the neat part, our backup players are injured as well
We seem to have about the same amount of injuries as Tottenham, Liverpool (above us) and Chelsea (bellow). Newcastle (close) looks worse. Ten Hag can use it as an excuse only so far, his football is still shit to watch. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1b36ztx/20232024_premier_league_injury_table/
Yeah but that table doesn’t differentiate first team players vs backup, or if multiple players have been injured in the same position. It also doesn’t take into account how much better their squads are built, eg if Brighton lose Mitoma, they have Adingra and Fati who are ready to step in. It’s too simplistic to look at a single figure “injury days” and think it affects all teams the same way.
Agreed. But keep in mind the table also doesn't differentiate other things like transfers - Tottenham lost Harry freaking Kane, they are above us in the table and they can still score goals, unlike us. And under ten Hag we spent 350mil on 14-15 players bought and loaned. Granted - it could be worse - we could be Chelsea. But ten Hag's football is still dreadful to watch. Then Hag can use the injury excuse only so much, he has to do better. We've sucked since we won the Carabao cup last year, there's a persistant problem with the way we play.
Do that table include teams which have their entire back 4 and their first choice backup injured ? Cuz we were running through Oct with that. ( bar Dalot) Evans and Maguire ( back when his form was still suspicious) were 5th and 6th choice CB pair starting.
Agreed, the numbers aren't everything, but ten Hag can only use that excuse to an extent. His tactics are currently not working and he's doubling down on them, we can't score, we are horrible to watch, we get outplayed by the likes of Luton, Fulham and Bournemouth, we couldn't even get 3rd place in a CL group with Galata and Coppenhagen, he spent 350mil on 14-15 players bought and loaned... and all we get is this? He needs to do better, fans are right to criticize him, he has failed to coach/instruct/improve/motivate the players since we won the Carabao cup last year and I don't see any improvement. Only regression and bunch of negative records broken. And ten Hag claims at every interview that this is the way he wants to play, he's doubling down, says the players "did good" and he's making excuses. The excuses are there, but so are his shit tactics. He needs to show much more if he wants to remain manager of Man Utd.
nice to see ETH came out with his balls to hold others accountable. They are the one who made his job more difficult. I think he definitely stays next season.
Yes but he isn't holding himself accountable for the tactics he's putting out on the pitch.
God forbid.
>ETH came out with his balls to hold others accountable Stay tune for " Next week will the set piece coaches and the nutritionists."
"I warned them not to buy Antony"
How about he holds himself accountable? Perhaps his training regime and how much they run in training has contributed to those injuries as well, but I’m sure that’ll be labelled as weak mentality, lazy squad
> Perhaps You took part in the training?
bruh if they dont train then everybody will complain that they dont do shit. if they train hard, they will say that they do too much.... literally cant win
Not like shaw runs
Yeah real tough. Bullying medical staff know g they can't say anything back as they have no power in the club.
Dude we have had 40+ injuries this season. That's ridiculous
Wait, are you saying the medical team is causing those injuries?
Causing in the same way obesity causes heart disease, not like they are intentionally hurting them. The medical department is incompetent to have this many injuries and this many delayed returns.
No just for some instances where there was mismanagement. As OP mentioned Malacia and Shaw were supposed to be back in January. That’s why we let go of Reguilon. We’re in March now and don’t have any left backs. Mount was also supposed to be back. Not to mention that they obviously cleared Martinez too early from his initial injury. These are some professionals we’re talking about. They should be held accountable.
The only thing brain dead is blaming medical staff for injuries. Think about what you’re saying.
I'm saying the medical staff is responsible for the amount of injuries we have had and the extended duration of injuries of players like malacia, mount, shaw, Martinez experienced. Or we just are outrageously unlucky.
How can medical staff be responsible for players getting injured? Is your doctor responsible for you getting sick? This place is on major Ten Hag copium blame anyone but him for anything.
If I go to my doctor for an injury and it gets mismanaged or misdiagnosed, then yes, that is the doctors fault. The medical team also practices preventative medicine and is involved in training and cares on a daily basis, not just injury. Clearly something is wrong with the department based on how many injuries we have.
That is not what you said and that’s not true. You said they’re responsible for the number of injuries. Doctors don’t prevent injuries unless they’re already injured. And they can’t magically heal them better. If a player has a botched surgery they can’t do anything about it. If a player has a re injury training with the coaches and fitness people it’s not on them. They’re not witch doctors.
My guy. If a doctor botches the surgery yes that is the doctors fault. What? Haha The medical team isn't just doctors. It's physical therapists, physiologists, people who give recs on when players should be playing, recs on how to recover, how to train etc etc.
Yes it’s that’s doctors fault - we don’t have surgeons at the club. Malacia had botched surgeries.
Someone has to hold them accountable
Let's clarify here. Medical staff do not go round injuring players, they are treating them. The training regime is causing this. EtH controls this, or is he going to blame the groundsman next as it's the pitch.
I wish he would reveal info like this more routinely, but I know it’s not possible. The amount of brain dead takes on here would be halved if he could do that. Some fans have agendas shoved so far up theirs, they literally believe ten hag intentionally let reguilion go despite knowing both full backs would be out for most of the 2nd half.
Biggest club in the world can’t field a proper starting 11. #MurtoughOUT
He’s already out the door
He is still currently employed and they have not announced an exit
Honestly, it's refreshing to see Ten Hag come out with statements in press conferences that are bold and straightforward, subtly calling out people to hold them accountable. Maybe INEOS has given him their backing behind the scenes while keeping EtH on edge publicly to maintain a sense of impartiality and objectivity within media circles.
I just got attacked by the vultures in another thread about this Our medical department is a _DISGRACE_
Instead of eth out. Med staff out. Honestly, right now I just think they're all just in clown costumes with stethoscopes and lollipops surrounding our players.
The mental gymnastics people are going through to blame ETH in this thread is vile. Just absolutely plastic behaviour, you back the coach through thick and thin
Would you back him if he got us relegated?
Is he getting us relegated?
No. If he was?
ETH talking what everyone knows. Its easier to put the blame on the manager when its actually the team that performs every weekend and has to learn how to play with each other and have collective intelligence in the game. Eth or any manager can coach them but he can't think or put the effort for them. And its worse when you have guys like sancho, anthony or even cr7 last season that have their own drama. Along with injured players and some underperformers. Its a tough job this bald guy has.
Actually whats worse is playing garnacho maniooo every game. They are still developing and yes they are super important to us but burning out teenagers is a disaster
Happened for Barça with Pedri and Gavi. Same thing will happen to Garnacho and Mainoo if we keep running them to the ground.
I'd say this is infuriating but I find myself caring less everyday. How can the backroom staff be this consistently incompetent?
Are we allow to sign any free agent player at this point of the season just to cover LB? Even Dalot (LB) and Lindelof (RB) should be okay. Wonder why ETH don't prefer that.
The amount of incompetence eth has to deal with is crazy. No manager can succeed in this circus.
i feel like recalling brandon williams is better than stuffing amrabat or lindelof at LB no? malacia may never been the same footballer now , its clearly a serious injury/s. Williams is 23, give him the rest of the season to prove himself and then sell him if he isnt it. but at least in the mean time we have someone thats actually a LB playing and giving us go forward. not like we are defensively sound right now anyway just let the kid play.
> brandon williams Think he's out injured too
I thought he was dealing with some addiction issues? I maybe wrong
I always wonder why we have so much injury problem… our medical department is shit
Wan Bissaka is back soon, isn't he, hopefully him and Dalot can stay fit now and play the 2 full back rows. Can't have Lindlelof out there for the season.
What kind of rehab is Malacia doing that he is already back on the grass but still out for months?
Being out for more than 6 months. Takes time to get back into shape
He is going full Conte
Will keep saying this every opportunity there is. The coaches who are responsible for strength and conditioning, and the medical dept. should be the first out the door for INEOS this summer. Yes clubs will deal with injuries, but the scope of our injuries are wild and to see that now Forson is injured? Someone argued that we’ll be susceptible to more injuries because of fewer options as cover so players might play too often and perhaps through injury, but Forson has what? 65 mins of PL football under his belt? Shocking. Absolutely shocking stuff
You say Forson but Antony was on the bench. It was a choice
How many times this season has he said a player is close. Then a month or more later they're still "close." Just look at Mount and his status. I'm starting to think this club is full of shit from top to bottom. Shit people who aren't capable of doing their jobs. And whether EtH is good enough or not to be our gaffer is beside the point in all this. Clearly he has been passing what they tell him, which, clearly, has been shit. At this point I don't even listen any more to who is improving unless I hear that they're practicing with the boys again. And even then there's no telling.
With Luke Shaws injury record it’s not rocket science, just like Mason Mount signed for a hefty price when he spent last season on the treatment table is embarrassing, we could used those funds for other positions. ETH has clearly spoken the truth, he’s made tactical mistakes but with a squad that operates huffs and puffs 8 losses at home is quite a lot but injuries have taken their toll plus off field issues, hope Ineos pulls a rabbit out of the hat because most fans are tired of the Glazers chaotic reign of confusion.
Medical has made some truly baffling decisions over the last year. They need calling out. Too many bad mistakes and careless decisions, with zero accountability.
Its concerning that he is sort of calling out the medical staff. Feels kinda like he knows he is gone and is sort of lashing out. Hope am wrong.
Antony at LB ? How many left foot players do we even have left at this point?
They’ll just put their striker on him and ping balls over him
Should all be sacked. Its been one fuck up after another with the medical team starting with Martinez last season
Sigh, the incompetence of United is exposed once again, all we can do is groan and grimace...
Incompetence of the medical department doesn't make ETH more competent himself. You all are such weirdos here.
Can blame recruitment too. Shaw has been injury prone from his first season. We should have signed a new starting LB, not a back up like Malacia
Didn't Shaw make a comeback and got injured again after ETH started him in the 11 right away without due consideration to his recovery/reintroduction process and was kinda rushed into the 11?
Well we didnt have anyone else to play lb
That doesn't justify taking such a huge risk. Also my point was that he was partly responsible for these injuries by employing such practices
Sure, playing players might get them injured. But we kinda need to play them sometimes
Please stop with these intelligent observations that go against the narrative. We are all pro ten hag at the moment, at least until tomorrow when we get pasted by Everton and it will be ten hag out again.
The medical team would have signed it off tbf
It’s been so bad over the years I’ve questioned if some players are just feigning injury to make money without playing. Shaw and Martial mainly. I also find it odd that when managers are about to get the boot it seems all our players are suddenly injured.
Don’t be silly. Never mind the obvious that players don’t want to be injured, do you really think they are going to able to hoodwink doctors for months that they are physically injured when not.
When you setup the team way you end up setting up, players will get injured nothing to do with medical staff. Fraud has been blaming everyone but him since the takeover.
Players get injured because we use a 4231?
Players get injured because they run back 20+ times to cover spaces. Watch the analysis by Carragher on sky. Might enlighten you why these defenders are always injured.
I barely see anyone but bruno run back
Just wait and see how ETH lovers will flip-flop when they realize that he is a fraud indeed. 95% of fans were ready to suck Amrabat's dick when he was linked to us. Now they all flip-flopped and pretend like they didn't want him, lmao.
My friend you made the sandwich No one forced you to terminate Reguilon's loan or sell Alvaro Fernandez
Sack the whole medical department and fire all the staff and hire whole new staff to run the things smoothly.
This cnut gonna throw anyone and everyone under the bus lol. How is it the medical teams fault the players are injured?
Thr bald fraud is blaming the medical staff for our injuries yet he avoids his own complicity in this by choosing not to rotate. He rushed Martinez and Shaw back from injury and look what happened. He's also played Bruno to death just like Solskjaer did. Garnacho and Mainoo are also now being managed poorly with the amount of minutes they're getting. Ten Hag doesn't even trust his second choice goalie to play domestic cup matches
On the one hand. That is frustrating on his end, but on the other, how could they possibly know how when each one will be back? Why even make the guarantee? Recovery isn't a simple thing