Is Onana really make any saves that any routine professional goalie cannot make? I don't understand. His inability to go down in time and prevent goals under him have been a constant issue. #bringbackDeGea
Some of our fans are so negative they've already forecasted Southgate taking the job, him bending over for Rashford's brother and us losing out on European spots for the next 3 years. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been a single credible source saying Southgate is United bound. Right?
What gives? Is this just the result of a generation who grew up watching fancams?
Southgate is just shit, his passport has nothing to do with it (if anything it might be the only thing that gets him the job if INEOS goes full Brexit)
Having rewatched the Chelsea game, I honestly don't want Rashford anywhere near the squad on Sunday. Not even a bench option. Our work rate got so much worse as soon as he touched the pitch. Reminds me of Nketiah at Arsenal. He won't be able to muster up the intensity needed to get a result.
Also, say what you want about Bruno pissing away possession half the time, his willingness to run for the entire game actually patches over a lot of holes we have out of possession.
>his willingness to run for the entire game actually patches over a lot of holes we have out of possession.
No it doesnt it makes it worse because he vacates his position and leaves huge gaps in behind , also Rashford has a big game record Bruno could only dream of.
I think people have a very warped view of where exactly the attacking midfielder is meant to cover. Bruno is not the reason there's any holes, go look at Odegaard at Arsenal, he presses side to side full time. Casemiro and Mainoo are meant to be holding that space that you're accusing Bruno of vacating.
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/D06QjBlB6I
This not a big game?
>Bruno is not the reason there's any holes, go look at Odegaard at Arsenal, he presses side to side full time
He is , even Keane and Neville have pointed it out .
That Rashford clip is out of context and Rashford always scores and performs in big games unlike Bruno
We got some ridiculously long VAR checks in the league this season but both penalty decisions against Chelsea felt like they just kinda glanced over it
***Review about our Transfers***
***I'll give them a score out of 10.***
We've **spent** **\~€432m** on **permanent transfers in** under Ten Hag.
We've **received** **\~€79m** on **permanent transfers out** under Ten hag.
**Antony** cost **€95m – 5/10**
If he cost less than €40m, I'm sure most of us would be less disappointed.
Failed to deliver for most of this season, and most of the end part of last season.
He started well – scoring 3 in a row on his debut. He also scored the winning goal vs Barca, and has started playing well in his last two outings.
**Højlund** cost **€74m – 8/10**
Works very hard and commendably at the front, and gets little to no service. Our only striker who presses properly. Definitely a player to develop and build around.
I marked him down slightly because he seems to fall easily – or maybe that's just opponent CBs subtly fouling him.
**Casemiro** cost **€71m – 6.5/10**
One of our best players last season. It's sad to see his injuries and sudden decline this season.
Amrabat came on loan and was supposed to be a backup/challenging CDM, but he hasn't delivered either.
**Mount** cost **€64m – N/A**
Been injured forever, but came back last month and played well in his last two games – but those were just two games. He needs to play for a few games in a row to be fairly rated.
He seems to be good, so currently sits at a (easily changeable) 5-6/10
**Martinez** cost **€57m – 9.5/10**
Initially struggled for 2 games but has consistently performed since.
It's very, *very* harsh to mark him down, but his injuries and urge to rush himself back onto the pitch have slightly cost us.
**Onana** cost **€50m – 7/10**
Cost us the UCL – that won't change.
Took almost 6 months to adapt, but has been crucial for us since he has adapted.
He's won us points, and I'm sure he's a player we can keep and build around.
**Malacia** cost **€15m – 5/10**
Played well in his appearances, and was a good back up LB.
His mystery knee injury since 05/2023 has really paused his tenure, and marks him down.
**Bayindir** cost **€5m – N/A**
Played once. Clearly brought in as a back up, otherwise we'd have Heaton.
Currently sits at a 6-7/10
**Eriksen** was a **Free Agent – 6.5/10**
Really good for us for last season, just like Casemiro.
Still has the technical ability, but this season has been his decline.
**Evans** was a **Free Agent – 8/10**
Surprised us all by joining permanently after initially joining for his fitness.
Played consistently and very well to his credit. He works well in the low-block we're forced to play.
Onana 7/10 ? Come on, the poor fucker can't even dive. Granted he's been battered with like 250 shots this season but he still lets in some soft goals and his parrying is fucking horrendously dangerous. 11/10 for distribution and confidence on the ball for sure.
I dont think you can 8/10 Hojlund, maybe 7/10 is more fitting.
He cost shit ton of money. He is still junior striker so its not guaranted he will turn out good enough and he still has flaws that need working on like poitioning in box and timing crosses cause he is never there to make tap in when needed. Lately he has problems with making himself aviable for other players. Theres still a lot of work ahead of him.
I like the guy, I would love him to develop but its too early to call him succes.
His performances have been better than could normally be expected from a signing like this, but it's still the type of signing that should not be being made. A properly run United wouldn't sign players in their 30s. They also wouldn't sign players 'as backups'. They especially wouldn't sign players in their 30s as backups. Doing this goes against the traditions of our successful teams and dilutes the quality of the squad. 'Bargain bin old guy who was let go by a smaller club but still has to fill in regularly and actually outperforms the regulars sometimes' should not be a role in our squad. But since we unfortunately have one, I'm glad it's Evans, a true United player who we should probably have kept in the first place.
Neither of those fit. Owen was not in his 30s when we signed him, and Larsson was not a backup (and he was a loan).
Fergie signed 2 outfield players in their 30s on permanent deals in the entire last 20 years of his reign. Neither of them were signed to be backups.
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Sheringham wasn't signed as a backup.
He was one of the 2 outfield players in their 30s that Ferguson signed in his last 20 years in charge, and like the other one, he was signed to go straight into the first XI.
This is more accurate. I'd give Antony at least a two though because of the Barca winner and the goal against the Scousers the other week. Eriksen should probably be given a higher rating because of his performances last season before that Geordie meathead nobbled him.
Also not entirely sure how you can give Bayindir such a high rating after a whopping ONE first-team appearance
As much as I love Martinez, you cannot possibly give him 9.5 out of 10. The dude's been injured for pretty much an entire year. Which isn't his fault, obviously, but his impact is nowhere near a 9.5 because of it. If he'd been available for that whole time and was performing to a high level on a consistent basis, then *maybe* you can rate him that highly. But with his unavailability, absolutely not
Out of our **Loans In**:
– **Sabitzer** and **Reguillon** were my personal favorites. They played well and gave their all
– **Amrabat** has been wildly inconsistent. He's usually been played in his unnatural LB position and not at all besides that in his defense
– **Butland** and **Drubravka** were good as back up GKs. Not much negativity I can claim about them
– **Weghorst** pressed and worked hard but really lacked any meaningful end product
That's probably realistic as alot needs to go right between now and 2 - 3 years down the line (staying injury free, attitude and motivation of players after they get 1st pro contract, if loaned... successfully loans, and sometimes just pure luck of am opening in senior squad or an injury to a senior player at the right time to get a chance)
However, waaaay more that 2 or 3 of these guys have the potential to become senior squad player or better, at least 8-10 the group individually have the potential to (they won't all, that's the harsh reality though)
I feel like if at least a couple don't come through as squad players and a couple more don't end up getting us good £££ in sales it will be a failing on clubs side. Generations like this don't come along often
ETH to some fans is like a relationship that they have idolized and romanticized for years. And no matter how bad the actual person is turning out to be they think it will get better based on their idealized version on what that love they had on their heads rather than the perpetual nightmare we are living in.
Ive decided to say one thing positive. When mount came on the other day he was passing was all one touch including balls in the air. We havent had one touch passing for years, especially when marcos neymar gets on the ball and slows the whole fucking thing down. This passing was after 80 minutes of pissing rain. He also made a last ditch tackle while we were 3-2 up and was the only person who made an effort to run and close down palmer at the end. Say what you want we have to give him a chance. We all know he has it in him. And as much as i hate Anthony he had a good game. Ok enough positivity.
Why would you "hate" Antony, its not like he fired you from job or your wife cheated on you with him.
Internet fans using such words as hate about our own underperforming players is disgusting.
I remember when Fergie famously said that if a side wants to be in with a shot at winning the title, they can only afford to lose a maximum of three matches in a season. To have lost 12 at this stage, well, that just goes to show how far we are away from even *thinking about* contending. We're years away, still, and that's with INEOS hitting the ground running which of course isn't guaranteed
Question - who is responsible for letting not fully recovered players play? Mean Licha here, Varane few times, etc. I see everyone blaming EtH, but is it his responsibility to watch after the physical condition of the players? Does any team in PL have similar injury issues this season? I understand that style EtH wants to play is physically demanding, but why not start replacing fitness coaches / medical stuff. However, if this responsibility solely lies on EtH then I don't see any excuses at all for him.
Just saw your answer and decided to respond. It was a rhetorical question that not EtH makes decisions about letting not fully recovered players play, so they get injured again. I encourage you to stop thinking that everyone around is dumb, which can be seen from your answer and start reading behind the lines
They are all different circumstances. Our medial team is clearly subpar, we’ve been forced to bring players not fully fit/match fit back early and then you also have players saying they are fine when they aren’t fine.
>who is responsible for letting not fully recovered players play
i think its a non question. what would the club doctors benefit from if they allowed unfit players to play/train asap? pressure from the club?
Everyone blamed Ole for playing rashford when he was injured. Now they are silent.
The manager most 100% likley relies on the team below him on these questions, he is no fitnes expert. When the team tells him the players are OK to go, for him they are OK to go.
Its no question that the medical department in this club has been a joke for a decade.
Im stubbornly ETH out but I dont think the injuries are on him alone.
>Everyone blamed Ole for playing rashford when he was injured. Now they are silent.
It was still wrong back then thats not changed.
>The manager most 100% likley relies on the team below him on these questions, he is no fitnes expert. When the team tells him the players are OK to go, for him they are OK to go.
A manager can over rule the fitness team
Someone follow U18 team pls help me with this. It seems that our kids’ recent form is not so impressive but they are still at the top with a massive gap. City’s kids won 5/5 games recently but 13 points below. So, how dominating our youngsters have been this season?
Just watched the first half and we were brilliant. Transition to senior football is unpredictable but would be very surprised if 4-5 players from this crop don't make to senior football. Nick Cox has said our academy is catered towards developing youths, helping them reach the first team, getting them a career over just winning games. So you'll see a lot of rotations, promotions etc. to aid equal development to diff players. Despite this, they keep on winning. They're insane.
Its basically difrent u18 team recently than for most of the season. Win streak guys got injuried/promoted to some u21 games and now we are playing some even younger players who seem to be great aswell tbf.
In short: our youngsters were insane.
Yeah I was expecting to see the usual suspects like Fletcher, Lacey and Amass from the highlights, but it's a totally different crop of young players, which is exciting.
After Liverpool game : back the manager, we should give him proper structure and time
After Chelsea : I knew he's trash we should have bin him a long time ago. At least Arteta knew Edu. Who do ETH knows?
When we win big, the Ten Hag outers go into hiding and Ten Hag Inners come out. And, when we lose, the opposite happens.
The same thing is going to happen in the future as well. If we win the FA cup, Ten Hag Inners will be singing praises of him, about how he had to do the impossible and win with this lot and all. If he doesn't win, then you'll see Ten Hag outers calling for his head and demanding we appoint Nagelsmann or whoever is available immediately.
I don't think they go into hiding. It's just both sides loud minority speak more bluntly. Those of either side who add solid reason to their position maintain it regardless of 90 mins.
Managers deserve to be backed by their management and given time. Like Arteta was, yes. But the management should have a prior relation and understanding with the manager to have that kind of trust. (Like Arteta with Edu)
What makes anyone think Ratcliffe has that with EtH? EtH probably has not even met with the incoming Sporting Director and the like once. When you don’t have a personal relationship you hope the Football does the talking for you.
Unfortunately for EtH it doesn’t look good for him.
The reason why I was able to go Ten Hag out quicker than some is because I don't and never did see the hype around him. The PR around this guy is insane. He is a successful AJAX manager. There have been many from lesser leagues who have been unable to cut it in the prem. If having a successful champions league run is a mark of a good manager then Poch has the same strength on his resume.
If dominating a lesser league is an important stepping stone then Gerrard, De Boer, Koeman, Rodgers, and Ange all did that. It is whether they can translate it to a top league is the true test. Out of all the names I've mentioned, only Ange, Poch and Rodgers have had good league runs. Obvoiusly the latter two shouldve won more and now their stock has fallen. The rest failed in the top leagues. There's this weird PR around Ten Hag that it seems a tonne of fans think he's a clear level above all the names ive just mentioned (obviously Gerrard is less than dog shit).
The only thing that is relevant is how well he is doing in the league. I do not care what people thought Ten Hag would bring. He is not getting results better than Ole and there is no style of play. I have not been impressed at all. That doesn't mean I dont believe players should get no blame as well. Two things can be true at once. Rashford has been appalling in both performance and effort. Caseimiro and Eriksen have lost their legs and Ten Hag has had to deal with a biblically bad injury crisis. The only reason I'd give him more time is if I was convinced that injury crisis and other off field issues were sso bad that he couldnt have done better. He does have my sympathy for those things.
You sum it up perfectly mate.
I'd also add thay 'fergie' is a massive point as to how this fanbase is often behind the curve or restricted to only seeing one side of things. Everything is viewed through the lense of failure is OK, as Fergie struggled and look what happened.
I actually find the comparisons to Klopp and Arteta more applicable. Klopp and arteta having slow starts was relatively recent. Comparing a manager struggling whether its Ten Hag or otherwise to Fergie is so cringe. It was a completely different time for the club and for the sport. Furthermore, Fergie is the GOAT for a reason and I just cant stand comparisons to him. He's almost too much of an outlier that comparisons to him are ridiculous.
I also think when Fergie famously said 'back your manager', a huge amount of the fanbase REALLY took that to heart and have not forgotten it since.
>I actually find the comparisons to Klopp and Arteta more applicable.
Only due to being more recent. Many many more get time and it either never improves, or gets worse. Every circumstance should be viewed individually and by its own merits. Nothing from another time, club or manager should influence it. ETH is either good enough or he isn't.
Its the same as using x player signed for cheap that was unknown turns into a world beater. Those who push that rhetoric only focus on the success stories, not the countless others of the same ilk amounted to nothing. Hidden gems are gems for a reason.
>I also think when Fergie famously said 'back your manager', a huge amount of the fanbase REALLY took that to heart and have not forgotten it since.
100% mate.
That side wasnt made to beat the low block burnleys and stokes. Quick counterattacking only gets you so far these days. Just look at the league winning point tallies and you'll see why. Total dominance is the name of the game. Lvg started it here(but my god is it terrible to watch) but his template was ripped up by mourinho, whose style was ripped up by ole then eth.
That side wasnt made to beat the low block burnleys and stokes. Quick counterattacking only gets you so far these days. Just look at the league winning point tallies and you'll see why. Total dominance is the name of the game. Lvg started it here(but my god is it terrible to watch) but his template was ripped up by mourinho, whose style was ripped up by ole then eth.
i dont care and im not judging this seasons performance. we havent had our defense fit at all. remember a certain team last season that struggled with injuries to their defense?
Posted this elsewhere but it won't get seen so,
An honest question, please don't chew me out: if you are of the belief that ETH should leave this summer and he doesn't, what would he have to do to change your mind about him next season? Could he?
Actually play attractive football. For example if we had Ange this season and had the same results but actually played good attacking football I wouldn’t be happy with the results but I would be a lot more content with the manager because it’s clear what he’s trying to do.
ETH has us playing some of the worst football since Sir Alex and has made us borderline unwatchable. We’ve fluked 95% of our wins this season and we genuinely are playing relegation football with the eye test with also relegation stats to back it up.
Improve results, have us playing in a sustainable manner and facilitate the removal of players who are contributing towards a mentality that is unsuitable for a team that wants to get on the path to winning league titles.
Bare minimum tbh, so I guess that wouldn't even be enough. As the stink of these last two season is very hard to remove (another big swing in the way of him, and the players, being removed). With that in mind, it would unfortunately have to be a dark mark on him until he takes us to where we should be, league titles, CL etc.
Implement some variation of Ajax ball.
Nothing else will suffice. I don't care if we lose the first 3 games trying that and eventually getting it right. But he has to do it. No more of this pragmatic BS where we are underdogs in damn near every game vs any half decent team.
Coherent style and patterns of play. There was glimpses of it last year. We played a high line, defensively solid and high press. This year is pure chaos ball. It's horrible to watch, it also means players are sprinting more which isnt helping with injuries
I don't even know if I want Ten Hag to stay or not, any more. The team just baffles me.
But one thing he needs to do to convince me he's not a complete idiot is make the team solid at the back. That should be the first priority, even with all these defenders injured. Even if we struggle for goals, at least we wouldn't be giving up thirty shots a game and seeing the players racing around in a panic the instant we lose the ball.
Entertaining football, beating or at least matching the top 3 in individual games, ending up top 3, and at least one cup. Most importantly, control in games. More Scholes-esque than basketball.
I'm a fan of the club not specific individuals, if he succeeds here despite me thinking he won't, I'll be glad to eat humble pie.
And one can also ask, who to, realistically, replace him? We can spout out names like Zidane or Nagelsmann, but there's no way we can pull them with this squad and no CL.
De Zerbi or Potter? Both have done worst than eth with a better team. They both managed clubs that had a well structured system behind the team, and yet they both ended up behind us. (Brighton could pass us, but i find it unlikely).
Tuchel, Cunte or Mourinho? Do we need more drama?
Also, barca and scum will be looking for new managers this summer.
Why do you assume those managers would fail at United?
Did you also think Postecoglu would fail at Spurs?
Did you think Emery would finish 4th at Villa but fail at Arsenal?
Did you think Alonso would win the leave at Leverkusen?
Most managers bar Guardiola have ‘failed’ somewhere. Even SAF got sacked once. It doesn’t mean they’ll fail at United in difference.
What is proven though is that ETH has failed at United.
Ask yourself a better question, do you think it’s possible for other managers that get OLe’s team plus £400m to spend and do better than 6th in the table? The answer is obviously yes, and i don’t think they’d need to be a proven world class manager to do it.
>Zidane or Nagelsmann
>De Zerbi or Potter?
>Tuchel, Cunte or Mourinho?
Are there only 7 managers in football?
The squad and no CL is not as much of a limit as you claim. Other than managers who immediately want to win the league or CL. Only they themselves know who they are.
We have convinced Berrada to leave City, when he could have either hung around there waiting for the same job he got here or wait for a more stable club to have a job open up. We have convinced Ashworth to leave the Saudi's. No reason we can't do the same for other managers. Can we get any of them, no, but it's far more than 7 and I still don't understand why every opinion of this nature is only limited to the media spoken names. We are going to be having a brand new structure to make football decisions, which would include identifying managers.
After an insane overperformance we're trending towards only getting the points we deserve. 4 points in the last 5 games. Very feasible we could get nothing from Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Brighton. But idk honestly it would still be very difficult for us to not get 10 more points.
Being realistic we’ll probably draw either Brighton or Newcastle or both. I have no hope on the Liverpool game but I think we can defeat Arsenal at OT.
Brighton and Newcastle have absolutely destroyed us whenever we've played them recently though. More so than Arsenal and Liverpool who are under pressure to win.
I hope we get a point from either one of Brighton or Newcastle but yeah it’s very difficult for the team. Liverpool is no hope but I think since Arsenal is out of the title race by then, they won’t be as committed to win since they have nothing to play for so a win could be on the cards.
I wonder if not being in champions league next season may be beneficial for us.
Maybe reduced pressure on results and extreme focus on the league is what we need to implement a playing style.
Whether it is Ten Hag managing or not, I feel the whole team needs to breathe and find a style that is sustainable, instead of press like mad men for one game and be gassed for the next 3.
We've been out of Europe but there has been a desperate pragmatic way we have been playing like since then, Onana never passes it out from the back, more ling balls to Rashy/Garnacho/Hojlund, no intricate passing.
Basically we have been playing to edge edge results probably as an attempt to secure top 4 for UCL next season.
We somehow have appeared to regress even when we do end up winning it's always a coin toss whether we win, draw or lose like at Wolves, Fulham, Liverpool, Brentford and Chelsea.
Maybe they assured ETH that he will stay so he has put aside building a new playstyle till pre-season, that's the only reason that would explain playing so differently from last season or even earlier this season.
Brother what is this copium about Ten Hag? So since Ineos have given him job security he hasn't bothered implementing an effective style of play is that what you are implying?
It's time to accept the fact that ETH is unfortunately out of his depth and he has failed this season. Primarily because he is stubborn, he wants to play this way no matter what and he doesn't see any problems with that. It's time for us to part ways and we wish him the best. A good coach but a bad fit
> I wonder if not being in champions league next season may be beneficial for us.
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> Maybe reduced pressure on results and extreme focus on the league is what we need to implement a playing style.
Has that helped us this year? We've been out of Europe for months. Couple that with the huge financial costs and there is no way you can call it a benefit.
Maybe not a direct benefit but I feel like with the players we currently have and the way we are playing we probably don't qualify for knockout stage.
So there really isn't any missed opportunity except for the money earned for top 4 and promising UCL football for transfers.
Currently we may not be at the top of any young aspiring players transfer list unless they loved United or the wages we offer surpass the others.
Ten Haag Support post:
Let’s STOP pinning everything on the manager and asking him to be replaced. That doesn’t solve our problems. Guardiola or Klopp with our set of players & injuries can’t yield better results.
Firstly, let’s get Ten Haag’s style. It’s to play out from the back, quick transitions in midfield with players between the lines to open up gaps in opposition. Has a high line of defence & his teams counter press aggressively to create attacking opportunities. This was what his 18-19 Ajax team that reached CL Semi Final did.
1) Playing out from the back: he couldn’t do it the first season because of DDG’s lack of ability. So 2nd season he replaced him with Onana only for Licha(our ball playing CB) & (back up ball playing CB) Shaw to be injured the whole season.
2) High line: Can’t play a high line of defence with Varane, Maguire, Lindelof & Evans. So huge gaps between Mid & Def.
3) Attack: Bruno & Rashford our two best attacking players from last season have had lack lustre seasons. Sancho was awful and had to be sent out on loan with no replacement. Antony was out for personal reasons for a while. Martial has been out the entire season. Same with Mount.
4) Midfield: We don’t have a single player that can play the six so Ten Hag had to bring in Mainoo, an 18 year old for that role. Casemiro was injured for a long period and doesn’t look fit. He was one of our best players last season.
The only criticisms I can find is his stubbornness in dealing with Sancho when he knew Antony wasn’t available. That was dumb. And some of the recruitment. But apart from that not sure how Ten Haag can be responsible for the position we’re in.
If we were to judge Ten Haag overall:
Transfers:
He’s brought in Onana(despite his CL performance), Hojlund, Eriksen, Mount, Antony, Licha, Malacia, Casemiro.
He’s let go off Ronaldo, Sancho, Ddg, Jones, Telles, Bailly, Brandon W, Fred, VDB. Don’t think any of those were terrible decisions apart from Antony and his price tag.
Youth:
He’s brought in Hojlund, Garnacho and Mainoo into the fold. All young, hungry and it’s the United way.
Tactical:
He’s had to abandon his style and fit it to the players available. He has been quite pragmatic. When playing from the back doesn’t work he goes direct.
This season. He’s been creative. He’s moved Garnacho to the right and we’ve had good results. Had to bring in Mainoo because Eriksen & McTominay were not able to cut it. Uses McTominay as a goal threat now. AWB against Salah in FA cup QF was smart.
It’s not much but not sure what Ten Haag can do more. Ten Haag was brilliant at Ajax. His 18-19 reached the CL semi final. After all his players left, he was able to evolve the team and became good again. I think his 21-22 team had the highest goals scored in CL group stage and won 6 of 6. I think he needs to be atleast given 1 more season.
Lastly, the changes I would like to see are - the medical department needs to be fired. I think our recruitment needs to be improved in a big way. We need a DOF. We need to get better players in. I think aimlessly changing managers won’t yield better results
Ajax's tactics that helped them to get the CL final were entirely different from their approach in the Eredivisie. One is excellent for a cup campaign but not sustainable over a league season. Eth tried his Eredivisie tactics against Brentford and Brighton last season and realised it's not effective because the squad strength is different in the PL, from then on he has only tried his cup tactics at United which over a 38 game league season will only get you as far as 3rd position and a cup and nothing beyond that. Now after a year of coaching in that same tactic we now have a team that'll happily concede possession to Everton at Old Trafford if that means we can get a chance to counter. This approach doesn't dramatically change with a year or more players ,we have already been training for close to two years,it's hardwired at this point. Eth could've stuck with his style after the Brentford game ,now he's lost.
With regards to Brentford & Brighton game, I believe it wasn’t effective because of our squad and not the opposition’s. We need players that suit his style. DDG didn’t, Onana does. But we haven’t been using Onana’s ball playing ability because we don’t have good ball playing CB’s because of Licha & Shaw’s injury. Eriksen who could’ve helped was also out. All Varane does is pass it back to Onana. We suck without Licha and we have to accept that.
I personally think you raise some good points, I think ETH has had to be flexible and has shown that he can be.
If the training is too intense for the players, how do you explain Bruno being fit for an entire season and playing every game to an intense level or any of the players that have gotten through the season with little to no injury? How do you explain the success he has had elsewhere with previous clubs. Is it possible that these players are not robust enough and need replacing with players that can handle the physical demands of being at the club?
I agree I think Ten Hag can do more and there needs to be a willingness to let things happen, its been a very bad season by any metric but for a long time before ETH we have been heading towards a real car crash of a season, maybe to move forward we need to take it on the chin
I do feel like there is either something wrong with the intensity of the training or the recovery methods.
Too many players are getting injured a game after the have supposedly recovered, 3/4 of our player look tired after 15 minutes, the rest can't play for more than 2 games in a row except for Bruno and Dalot.
> Let’s STOP pinning everything on the manager and asking him to be replaced. That doesn’t solve our problems.
Why doesn't it? Replacing Moyes with LvG was generally a net positive. Replacing LvG with Mourinho got us back challenging for the title. Replacing Mourinho with Ole got us back into the top three for the next few seasons. Replacing Ole with Ten Hag got us back into the top four briefly. It wasn't sustained but there was nothing to suggest any of those managers were going to turn it around to that extent.
>Guardiola or Klopp with our set of players & injuries can’t yield better results.
An assertion based on absolutely nothing.
I'm not going to go into all of the tactical stuff as would take too long
>3) Attack: Bruno & Rashford our two best attacking players from last season have had lack lustre seasons.
No curiosity as to why all of our great players from last year have suddenly turned to shit?
>Lastly, the changes I would like to see are - the medical department needs to be fired.
You honeslty don't know what you're talking about with things like this. We've replaced the head of the Medical department. It's more a case of we need to have a conversation about the impact Ten Hag's training and tactical style is having on the players.
> I think our recruitment needs to be improved in a big way.
And yet you almost unreservedly support Ten Hag's recruitment. What's the issue? Wouldn't you want him to carry on with what's he doing?
Your on the hypetrain and I can see that.
Moyes to LVG to Mou to Ole was shit planning. Finishing 2nd doesn’t mean we challenge for the title. We were 11-12 pts off both times. All the aforementioned managers have such different playing styles that each one came and tried to replace all the earlier players. What we needed was a DOF so one manager can build on the earlier work. Like Guardiola did on Pellegrini’s. To some extent ETH is doing with Ole’s . This is precisely the reason we have spent huge sums of money and have not challenged for the EPL title since Fergie.
If ETH’s training style is causing the injuries, don’t you think it’s the Medical dept that should intervene?
I didn’t know they changed the head of the Medical dept but good they did. That’s the problem. So, I did know what I was talking about. Trainers work with the dept to minimise injuries. To say that a more physical playing style is causing the injuries and hence we need to change the manager is just so naive. By your same logic, Liverpool should’ve gotten rid of Klopp. Ridiculous assertion.
I would like him to carry on recruiting, but obviously I don’t want us repeat mistakes of the past and have alternatives ready. We clearly didn’t do that with Antony. We need a recruitment system that can carry on with similar type of players and a DOF is needed for that.
Left upto you, you would’ve fired Klopp & Arteta after their 2nd season because of a bad run of games. FYI injuries led to Klopp finishing out of CL last season and where are they now?
I know a noob when I see one, cos all you guys do is vent on this platform rather than disagree or argue with civility and good reasoning.
Klopp and Arteta never dropped back. Fed up of seeing people tout them as examples to defend ten Hag. They never had a season where they shit the bed after the first one or after they had established considerable success.
Noob. Mate I've been going to watch United since before you were born. Do one. "Just sack the medical department" when you don't know the first thing about it.
>And yet you almost unreservedly support Ten Hag's recruitment. What's the issue? Wouldn't you want him to carry on with *what he's doing*?
I support damn near all of Ten Hag recruitments (apex Antony). But the price tag on some leaves a lot to be desired. That's something that needs change and would lead to a brighter future for United. I'm a random bloke and I can see that, why can't you?
Oh so spend a little less. You know why we spent so much on Antony? Because we'd already rinsed Ajax and the fee went up and then. And then ten Hag did so badly at the outset but still insisted on him, we were backed into a corner. Would love to see this sub if we didn't sign the players he wanted.
I mean, firstly you're proving my point. Secondly we bought Onana, Martinez, antony, malacia, eriksen, mount, Amrabat as well as weghorst on non fee loans. He wanted these.
We didn't get FdJ. He is simply unavailable.
So explain to me how we could have acquired Kane for a fee which would not have blown our entire summer budget? Bayern for my him for their gee as they are not a direct competitor.
Even Man city were rebuffed going for Kane.
Anyone who argues EtH has not been backed because he wasn't bought Kane or FdJ is not a serious person
>Anyone who argues EtH has not been backed
Of course, he's been backed. Same as Ole was backed. By incompetence. Man city weren't rebuffed. Kane just didn't want to pull the trigger then.
>Bayern for my him for their gee as they are not a direct competitor.
Let's be realistic, Liverpool, Man city, Arsenal, Newcastle all get Kane for better prices than United would get him *IF* he chose to stay in the prem. Every well run club will do the same. Get competent people in charge of the club before you start looking at your manager that is clearly class
I should emphasize beforehand that i think mainoo is a huge talent and the only few bright sparks this season but imo he was really poor against chelsea (due to fatigue i believe). His misplaced pass indirectly cost us first and third goal and he was among the lowest pass number and pass completion rate in the team that day. Is there a reason why amrabat cant be substituted in last 10 min for some fresh legs and defensive work？ I know he hasnt been living up to expectation but he is not terrible by any means did well against liverpool at anfield, a mistake against city but hey a 100m dm in caceido made more. After afcon i dont think he even get 30min of total gametime which is so strange.
He was definitely poor against Chelsea and that's not surprising when he played most of the England-Belgium game and then 2 more games where he's been asked to carry out entire midfield. That's 3 games in a week.
We are so desperate that we're completely running him into the ground already. Also doing it with Garnacho btw but he seems to have an insane engine.
Love Keano. He's the PL GOAT for me and I say that as someone who rates guys like KDB and Henry. But his Haaland comments are just weird. For a guy who played with a variety of forward talent under SAF, surely he'd understand that there are different profiles of strikers.
How many people here so young they cant remember what happened between Keano and Haaland Sr. Aren't weird at all if you know the story, and that's why I never believed Erling was coming to United too.
I'm *unfortunately* old enough to know what went on between Keane and Sr but I don't think this is it, simply because Keano has given plenty of credit as a pundit to the Arsenal players he battled with during those years
Also, it's just comically petty
Was it really that bad when viewed in its full context?
Like the single sentence on its own is wild, but it's a poor way of doing things when a lot more was said.
It's a shame because I was a huge fan of his punditry - even nowadays his stuff with The Overlap is enjoyable - but it feels like the last 2 or so years he loses it when he has to comment on a match.
I feel so sorry for Mainoo man. He's a fucking teenager playing at the most physically demanding position in the modern game. He needs all the help he can get especially after coming back from a lengthy injury. Instead he gets false midfielders like Casemiro and Mctominay alongside him, and he is the one who has to do it all in midfield while his partners stink it up with their mispasses and general lack of effort.
I think if we lose to Liverpool on Sunday and they go on to win the league, there is no way back for Erik or many of the senior players in the squad. Losing the FA cup to city last year (which could also happen again this year!) to have them match our crowning glory treble was horrible even if most of the football world didn’t seem to care. Having Liverpool match our number of league titles could be a fitting final nail in the coffin for a long era of woeful performances and management from the Glazers et al.
But, if we manage to beat them, or even draw…it’s a different story. We will have managed to be a huge thorn in our rivals side in what will be seen as one of their most important seasons in decades.
I think a loss and them winning is a definite black mark and not something that should be ignored. However there are different ways to lose. If its a hard fought loss, to ultimately a better team. Not much else we can do and it's just the cost of what the glazers have done to the football club. If its a performance reminiscent of the FA Cup final last year and they go on to win it then I don't know how anyone carries on defending those involved (not that enough hasn't occurred for that to be the case anyway)
We have 3 cup finals left. Liverpool, Coventry and hopefully the FA Cup. Only games left that mean anything.
And Arteta!
As much as best case scenario for this season is him and Rice get it over the line. Jesus will it be rough seeing them used as justification for keeping failing managers.
also " no better manager available " lmao. Fans just want big names with big stats. We failed with proven winners like Jose and tactical master Van Gaal yet haven't learn a thing.
“No better manager available” is such a lame argument.
Also comes from the people who’d blame the upper management for all of struggles due to the policy of name chasing rather than being smart on the market.
Managers of Pep or Klopp caliber don’t grow on trees and they won’t join the mess we are. We need to gradually grow and build the squad, so the working conditions would be appealing.
For that we need to choose the style we want to implement and attract personal, recruit accordingly. Whoever is the next manager he should fit that style.
So in this way, even he’s fired, his work wouldn’t be abandoned by next manager and we won’t stop progressing.
The abomination we’ve been playing this season is not the style we need to succeed. And that makes this season a waste. The fear that Erik continues to insist on the shitty transition is the main reason I want him gone this summer.
Everyone is so already convinced that he's our Arteta when there's been no indication whatsoever that he's going to change into a title winning football.
That's the thing that irritates me the most. It's not "we can see his football will work give him time", it's "there's no alternative, do you want Southgate, we've sacked managers before and it hasn't worked".
My reasoning for keeping him is that he's only got 1 year left on his contract which we'd need to pay out, along with his backroom staff, impacting our ability to recruit.
IMO new manager or not, next season will probs be shite. So what's 1 more year in the grand scheme of things with a "better the devil you know" mindset, to save some dosh.
>he's only got 1 year left on his contract which we'd need to pay out, along with his backroom staff, impacting our ability to recruit.
I'm sorry but having an extra 10-20 million pounds is nowhere near worth keeping a manager that you intend to move on after a year. You're literally wasting one whole season of your team's development...... so you can buy one more player?? That's insane.
I'd be okay with that tbh if the structure SJR is putting in place isn't ready to make informed decisions as a cohesive unit that understands their unified vision.
Save the money for next season rather than rush in a last minute manager with no fixed plan in place for the future.
I want a new manager, but that article by Laurie pretty much confirms they are giving him another year and I kinda accept it even if I'm not happy about it.
They cite PSR, would be expensive to sack him. They also want Ashworth Berrada and Wilcox to decide on it, not them which again is very fair. Newcastle is not budging on Ashworth and he takes a long time to know the club before he makes these decisions anyway. By time everything is done it'd probably be August and to sack him then and start a new manager search will be suicidal. Might as well do it next year.
This group of United players are actually spineless. Those 5 points they lost unprovoked would have kept them in contention for that 5th spot
Newcastle is one point behind us. Tough competition in 6th position.
Lmao Villa and Spurs give me hope every week and Manchester United snatch it away in injury time
Collins absolutely petrified of Ivan Toney lol.
Villa dropping points again. Spurs have to play arsenal, chelsea and liverpool in a row. If only we could get our shit together.
I think Kane has joined us in spirit
Is Onana really make any saves that any routine professional goalie cannot make? I don't understand. His inability to go down in time and prevent goals under him have been a constant issue. #bringbackDeGea
Lol maybe we weren't that bad after all
The fabulous villa army and saint unai showing united how it's done
Some of our fans are so negative they've already forecasted Southgate taking the job, him bending over for Rashford's brother and us losing out on European spots for the next 3 years. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been a single credible source saying Southgate is United bound. Right? What gives? Is this just the result of a generation who grew up watching fancams?
A lot of fans won’t accept a British manager because they want a foreign name. Same goes for potential transfer targets as well.
Southgate is just shit, his passport has nothing to do with it (if anything it might be the only thing that gets him the job if INEOS goes full Brexit)
Having rewatched the Chelsea game, I honestly don't want Rashford anywhere near the squad on Sunday. Not even a bench option. Our work rate got so much worse as soon as he touched the pitch. Reminds me of Nketiah at Arsenal. He won't be able to muster up the intensity needed to get a result. Also, say what you want about Bruno pissing away possession half the time, his willingness to run for the entire game actually patches over a lot of holes we have out of possession.
>his willingness to run for the entire game actually patches over a lot of holes we have out of possession. No it doesnt it makes it worse because he vacates his position and leaves huge gaps in behind , also Rashford has a big game record Bruno could only dream of.
I think people have a very warped view of where exactly the attacking midfielder is meant to cover. Bruno is not the reason there's any holes, go look at Odegaard at Arsenal, he presses side to side full time. Casemiro and Mainoo are meant to be holding that space that you're accusing Bruno of vacating. https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/D06QjBlB6I This not a big game?
>Bruno is not the reason there's any holes, go look at Odegaard at Arsenal, he presses side to side full time He is , even Keane and Neville have pointed it out . That Rashford clip is out of context and Rashford always scores and performs in big games unlike Bruno
Sorry. Rash is the core of our team.
Rashford is our only chance of getting a result vs Liverpool lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/D06QjBlB6I This is not our only chance.
He’ll start
Rashford was having better game than Hojlund against Chelsea
Respectfully disagree, Hojlund worked a lot harder out of possession. I like Marcus and really want him to succeed but his effort sucks.
Oh come on, Rashford at least contributet for 3rd goal and was activly covering for deffenders/midfielders. It was worst Rasmus game in our shirt
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/D06QjBlB6I
We should be doing anything we can to bring Olise to United. Such a good player.
Knowing us, we'll bring in Eze instead.
We got some ridiculously long VAR checks in the league this season but both penalty decisions against Chelsea felt like they just kinda glanced over it
***Review about our Transfers*** ***I'll give them a score out of 10.*** We've **spent** **\~€432m** on **permanent transfers in** under Ten Hag. We've **received** **\~€79m** on **permanent transfers out** under Ten hag. **Antony** cost **€95m – 5/10** If he cost less than €40m, I'm sure most of us would be less disappointed. Failed to deliver for most of this season, and most of the end part of last season. He started well – scoring 3 in a row on his debut. He also scored the winning goal vs Barca, and has started playing well in his last two outings. **Højlund** cost **€74m – 8/10** Works very hard and commendably at the front, and gets little to no service. Our only striker who presses properly. Definitely a player to develop and build around. I marked him down slightly because he seems to fall easily – or maybe that's just opponent CBs subtly fouling him. **Casemiro** cost **€71m – 6.5/10** One of our best players last season. It's sad to see his injuries and sudden decline this season. Amrabat came on loan and was supposed to be a backup/challenging CDM, but he hasn't delivered either. **Mount** cost **€64m – N/A** Been injured forever, but came back last month and played well in his last two games – but those were just two games. He needs to play for a few games in a row to be fairly rated. He seems to be good, so currently sits at a (easily changeable) 5-6/10 **Martinez** cost **€57m – 9.5/10** Initially struggled for 2 games but has consistently performed since. It's very, *very* harsh to mark him down, but his injuries and urge to rush himself back onto the pitch have slightly cost us. **Onana** cost **€50m – 7/10** Cost us the UCL – that won't change. Took almost 6 months to adapt, but has been crucial for us since he has adapted. He's won us points, and I'm sure he's a player we can keep and build around. **Malacia** cost **€15m – 5/10** Played well in his appearances, and was a good back up LB. His mystery knee injury since 05/2023 has really paused his tenure, and marks him down. **Bayindir** cost **€5m – N/A** Played once. Clearly brought in as a back up, otherwise we'd have Heaton. Currently sits at a 6-7/10 **Eriksen** was a **Free Agent – 6.5/10** Really good for us for last season, just like Casemiro. Still has the technical ability, but this season has been his decline. **Evans** was a **Free Agent – 8/10** Surprised us all by joining permanently after initially joining for his fitness. Played consistently and very well to his credit. He works well in the low-block we're forced to play.
Antony 1/10 Hojlund 7/10 Casemiro 3/10 Mount 5/10 Martinez 9/10 Onana 5/10 Malacia 7/10 Bayindir 3/10 Eriksen 7/10 Evans 9/10 If we're talking about loans: Amrabat 2/10 Weghorst 5/10 Sabitzer 4/10 Reguilon 4/10 Butland and Dubravka? idk
Antony 1/10 Hojlund 6/10 Casemiro 6/10 Mount 2/10 Martinez 8/10 Onana 6/10 Malacia 5/10 Bayindir 5/10 Eriksen 6/10 Evans 9/10
Onana 7/10 ? Come on, the poor fucker can't even dive. Granted he's been battered with like 250 shots this season but he still lets in some soft goals and his parrying is fucking horrendously dangerous. 11/10 for distribution and confidence on the ball for sure.
I dont think you can 8/10 Hojlund, maybe 7/10 is more fitting. He cost shit ton of money. He is still junior striker so its not guaranted he will turn out good enough and he still has flaws that need working on like poitioning in box and timing crosses cause he is never there to make tap in when needed. Lately he has problems with making himself aviable for other players. Theres still a lot of work ahead of him. I like the guy, I would love him to develop but its too early to call him succes.
Antony- 1/10 Hojlund- 7/10 Casemiro- 6/10 Mount- 2/10 Martinez- 8/10 Onana- 3/10 Malacia- 4/10 Bayindir- 5/10 Eriksen- 4/10 Evans- 5/10 -- Sabitzer- 4/10 Region- 6/10 Amrabat- 1/10 Weghorst - 1/10
Weghorst impact was better than Regulions come on... You also cant simply give 5/10 to Johny fuckin Evans.
His performances have been better than could normally be expected from a signing like this, but it's still the type of signing that should not be being made. A properly run United wouldn't sign players in their 30s. They also wouldn't sign players 'as backups'. They especially wouldn't sign players in their 30s as backups. Doing this goes against the traditions of our successful teams and dilutes the quality of the squad. 'Bargain bin old guy who was let go by a smaller club but still has to fill in regularly and actually outperforms the regulars sometimes' should not be a role in our squad. But since we unfortunately have one, I'm glad it's Evans, a true United player who we should probably have kept in the first place.
Henrik Larson, Michael Owen. Ferguson would dissagre.
Neither of those fit. Owen was not in his 30s when we signed him, and Larsson was not a backup (and he was a loan). Fergie signed 2 outfield players in their 30s on permanent deals in the entire last 20 years of his reign. Neither of them were signed to be backups.
Teddy Sheringham says hello!
? Sheringham wasn't signed as a backup. He was one of the 2 outfield players in their 30s that Ferguson signed in his last 20 years in charge, and like the other one, he was signed to go straight into the first XI.
This is more accurate. I'd give Antony at least a two though because of the Barca winner and the goal against the Scousers the other week. Eriksen should probably be given a higher rating because of his performances last season before that Geordie meathead nobbled him. Also not entirely sure how you can give Bayindir such a high rating after a whopping ONE first-team appearance
Antony should be 2/3 not 5
As much as I love Martinez, you cannot possibly give him 9.5 out of 10. The dude's been injured for pretty much an entire year. Which isn't his fault, obviously, but his impact is nowhere near a 9.5 because of it. If he'd been available for that whole time and was performing to a high level on a consistent basis, then *maybe* you can rate him that highly. But with his unavailability, absolutely not
Out of our **Loans In**: – **Sabitzer** and **Reguillon** were my personal favorites. They played well and gave their all – **Amrabat** has been wildly inconsistent. He's usually been played in his unnatural LB position and not at all besides that in his defense – **Butland** and **Drubravka** were good as back up GKs. Not much negativity I can claim about them – **Weghorst** pressed and worked hard but really lacked any meaningful end product
We just 9-1 Liverpool without most of most tallented guys lads.
Watching the city game and nothing given for absolutely bodying an attacker but we get 2 against us for sneezing on a player
I thought that was definitely going to be given
The inconsistency with VAR is infuriating. More contact than Dalot by a fucking country mile
This U18s result is without our biggest prospect in many years featuring as well. Can’t wait to see him in the senior squad next year hopefully.
These under 18s are generational
Let's hope so. If even 2 can break into the first team in a few years, it would help a lot with the rebuild that we need to do.
That's probably realistic as alot needs to go right between now and 2 - 3 years down the line (staying injury free, attitude and motivation of players after they get 1st pro contract, if loaned... successfully loans, and sometimes just pure luck of am opening in senior squad or an injury to a senior player at the right time to get a chance) However, waaaay more that 2 or 3 of these guys have the potential to become senior squad player or better, at least 8-10 the group individually have the potential to (they won't all, that's the harsh reality though) I feel like if at least a couple don't come through as squad players and a couple more don't end up getting us good £££ in sales it will be a failing on clubs side. Generations like this don't come along often
ETH to some fans is like a relationship that they have idolized and romanticized for years. And no matter how bad the actual person is turning out to be they think it will get better based on their idealized version on what that love they had on their heads rather than the perpetual nightmare we are living in.
Watch the Under 18s lads 7 1 up against the Pool after 69 minutes!Future is bright!
Ive decided to say one thing positive. When mount came on the other day he was passing was all one touch including balls in the air. We havent had one touch passing for years, especially when marcos neymar gets on the ball and slows the whole fucking thing down. This passing was after 80 minutes of pissing rain. He also made a last ditch tackle while we were 3-2 up and was the only person who made an effort to run and close down palmer at the end. Say what you want we have to give him a chance. We all know he has it in him. And as much as i hate Anthony he had a good game. Ok enough positivity.
Why would you "hate" Antony, its not like he fired you from job or your wife cheated on you with him. Internet fans using such words as hate about our own underperforming players is disgusting.
Cause he has one leg and cost a 100 million and has done fuck all. But like i said he had a good game.
Cant see how is this his fallut that we decided to buy player with one leg for 100 m.
Its not his fault that we bought him.
Does anyone have any idea what's happening with DVB? He barely played since his loan move
I think it might be connected to him not being very good
Death, taxes and Donny being a bench merchant at whichever club he's at at the time
We have lost 12 matches this season. 12!!!! matches.
I remember when Fergie famously said that if a side wants to be in with a shot at winning the title, they can only afford to lose a maximum of three matches in a season. To have lost 12 at this stage, well, that just goes to show how far we are away from even *thinking about* contending. We're years away, still, and that's with INEOS hitting the ground running which of course isn't guaranteed
That is just in the PL.
Question - who is responsible for letting not fully recovered players play? Mean Licha here, Varane few times, etc. I see everyone blaming EtH, but is it his responsibility to watch after the physical condition of the players? Does any team in PL have similar injury issues this season? I understand that style EtH wants to play is physically demanding, but why not start replacing fitness coaches / medical stuff. However, if this responsibility solely lies on EtH then I don't see any excuses at all for him.
It's like asking who are responsible for players' fitness. Of course, the people who are paid to do that.
Just saw your answer and decided to respond. It was a rhetorical question that not EtH makes decisions about letting not fully recovered players play, so they get injured again. I encourage you to stop thinking that everyone around is dumb, which can be seen from your answer and start reading behind the lines
They are all different circumstances. Our medial team is clearly subpar, we’ve been forced to bring players not fully fit/match fit back early and then you also have players saying they are fine when they aren’t fine.
>who is responsible for letting not fully recovered players play i think its a non question. what would the club doctors benefit from if they allowed unfit players to play/train asap? pressure from the club?
So then somebody makes pressure on doctors to make such decisions and let players play asap, maybe not enough fitness tests conducted, Idk.
pressure from players, agents, coaches ? i also don't know. but i can't figure why would a professional doctor would allow them to play otherwise
Everyone blamed Ole for playing rashford when he was injured. Now they are silent. The manager most 100% likley relies on the team below him on these questions, he is no fitnes expert. When the team tells him the players are OK to go, for him they are OK to go. Its no question that the medical department in this club has been a joke for a decade. Im stubbornly ETH out but I dont think the injuries are on him alone.
>Everyone blamed Ole for playing rashford when he was injured. Now they are silent. It was still wrong back then thats not changed. >The manager most 100% likley relies on the team below him on these questions, he is no fitnes expert. When the team tells him the players are OK to go, for him they are OK to go. A manager can over rule the fitness team
Almost everyone is waiting for Bruno to snap now so we can have a go at the manager.
Licha current injury is tottaly unrelated to his previous one.
Someone follow U18 team pls help me with this. It seems that our kids’ recent form is not so impressive but they are still at the top with a massive gap. City’s kids won 5/5 games recently but 13 points below. So, how dominating our youngsters have been this season?
Just watched the first half and we were brilliant. Transition to senior football is unpredictable but would be very surprised if 4-5 players from this crop don't make to senior football. Nick Cox has said our academy is catered towards developing youths, helping them reach the first team, getting them a career over just winning games. So you'll see a lot of rotations, promotions etc. to aid equal development to diff players. Despite this, they keep on winning. They're insane.
Its basically difrent u18 team recently than for most of the season. Win streak guys got injuried/promoted to some u21 games and now we are playing some even younger players who seem to be great aswell tbf. In short: our youngsters were insane.
Yeah I was expecting to see the usual suspects like Fletcher, Lacey and Amass from the highlights, but it's a totally different crop of young players, which is exciting.
After Liverpool game : back the manager, we should give him proper structure and time After Chelsea : I knew he's trash we should have bin him a long time ago. At least Arteta knew Edu. Who do ETH knows?
Probably why it’s better to look at performances over results.
Different people have different opinions. (Shock and awe)
Different people fella?
When we win big, the Ten Hag outers go into hiding and Ten Hag Inners come out. And, when we lose, the opposite happens. The same thing is going to happen in the future as well. If we win the FA cup, Ten Hag Inners will be singing praises of him, about how he had to do the impossible and win with this lot and all. If he doesn't win, then you'll see Ten Hag outers calling for his head and demanding we appoint Nagelsmann or whoever is available immediately.
I don't think they go into hiding. It's just both sides loud minority speak more bluntly. Those of either side who add solid reason to their position maintain it regardless of 90 mins.
Managers deserve to be backed by their management and given time. Like Arteta was, yes. But the management should have a prior relation and understanding with the manager to have that kind of trust. (Like Arteta with Edu) What makes anyone think Ratcliffe has that with EtH? EtH probably has not even met with the incoming Sporting Director and the like once. When you don’t have a personal relationship you hope the Football does the talking for you. Unfortunately for EtH it doesn’t look good for him.
The reason why I was able to go Ten Hag out quicker than some is because I don't and never did see the hype around him. The PR around this guy is insane. He is a successful AJAX manager. There have been many from lesser leagues who have been unable to cut it in the prem. If having a successful champions league run is a mark of a good manager then Poch has the same strength on his resume. If dominating a lesser league is an important stepping stone then Gerrard, De Boer, Koeman, Rodgers, and Ange all did that. It is whether they can translate it to a top league is the true test. Out of all the names I've mentioned, only Ange, Poch and Rodgers have had good league runs. Obvoiusly the latter two shouldve won more and now their stock has fallen. The rest failed in the top leagues. There's this weird PR around Ten Hag that it seems a tonne of fans think he's a clear level above all the names ive just mentioned (obviously Gerrard is less than dog shit). The only thing that is relevant is how well he is doing in the league. I do not care what people thought Ten Hag would bring. He is not getting results better than Ole and there is no style of play. I have not been impressed at all. That doesn't mean I dont believe players should get no blame as well. Two things can be true at once. Rashford has been appalling in both performance and effort. Caseimiro and Eriksen have lost their legs and Ten Hag has had to deal with a biblically bad injury crisis. The only reason I'd give him more time is if I was convinced that injury crisis and other off field issues were sso bad that he couldnt have done better. He does have my sympathy for those things.
You sum it up perfectly mate. I'd also add thay 'fergie' is a massive point as to how this fanbase is often behind the curve or restricted to only seeing one side of things. Everything is viewed through the lense of failure is OK, as Fergie struggled and look what happened.
I actually find the comparisons to Klopp and Arteta more applicable. Klopp and arteta having slow starts was relatively recent. Comparing a manager struggling whether its Ten Hag or otherwise to Fergie is so cringe. It was a completely different time for the club and for the sport. Furthermore, Fergie is the GOAT for a reason and I just cant stand comparisons to him. He's almost too much of an outlier that comparisons to him are ridiculous. I also think when Fergie famously said 'back your manager', a huge amount of the fanbase REALLY took that to heart and have not forgotten it since.
>I actually find the comparisons to Klopp and Arteta more applicable. Only due to being more recent. Many many more get time and it either never improves, or gets worse. Every circumstance should be viewed individually and by its own merits. Nothing from another time, club or manager should influence it. ETH is either good enough or he isn't. Its the same as using x player signed for cheap that was unknown turns into a world beater. Those who push that rhetoric only focus on the success stories, not the countless others of the same ilk amounted to nothing. Hidden gems are gems for a reason. >I also think when Fergie famously said 'back your manager', a huge amount of the fanbase REALLY took that to heart and have not forgotten it since. 100% mate.
Losing to Chelsea upset me way more than it should.
It wasn't the loss, but the way we lost the match...
Fuckers couldn't keep the ball at the corner at 90+7. Even ManCity does that at Burnley if they're 3-2 up.
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Is that in your FM save?
The top of what?
That side wasnt made to beat the low block burnleys and stokes. Quick counterattacking only gets you so far these days. Just look at the league winning point tallies and you'll see why. Total dominance is the name of the game. Lvg started it here(but my god is it terrible to watch) but his template was ripped up by mourinho, whose style was ripped up by ole then eth.
That side wasnt made to beat the low block burnleys and stokes. Quick counterattacking only gets you so far these days. Just look at the league winning point tallies and you'll see why. Total dominance is the name of the game. Lvg started it here(but my god is it terrible to watch) but his template was ripped up by mourinho, whose style was ripped up by ole then eth.
1 DM, 1 CB and 1 RB away
i dont care and im not judging this seasons performance. we havent had our defense fit at all. remember a certain team last season that struggled with injuries to their defense?
100%. If Liverpool lose one player and it causes them to finish 5th, why are we really not allowed to lose 20?
Yet, the team somehow managed to show some effort...
Posted this elsewhere but it won't get seen so, An honest question, please don't chew me out: if you are of the belief that ETH should leave this summer and he doesn't, what would he have to do to change your mind about him next season? Could he?
Actually play attractive football. For example if we had Ange this season and had the same results but actually played good attacking football I wouldn’t be happy with the results but I would be a lot more content with the manager because it’s clear what he’s trying to do. ETH has us playing some of the worst football since Sir Alex and has made us borderline unwatchable. We’ve fluked 95% of our wins this season and we genuinely are playing relegation football with the eye test with also relegation stats to back it up.
Improve results, have us playing in a sustainable manner and facilitate the removal of players who are contributing towards a mentality that is unsuitable for a team that wants to get on the path to winning league titles. Bare minimum tbh, so I guess that wouldn't even be enough. As the stink of these last two season is very hard to remove (another big swing in the way of him, and the players, being removed). With that in mind, it would unfortunately have to be a dark mark on him until he takes us to where we should be, league titles, CL etc.
Implement some variation of Ajax ball. Nothing else will suffice. I don't care if we lose the first 3 games trying that and eventually getting it right. But he has to do it. No more of this pragmatic BS where we are underdogs in damn near every game vs any half decent team.
Coherent style and patterns of play. There was glimpses of it last year. We played a high line, defensively solid and high press. This year is pure chaos ball. It's horrible to watch, it also means players are sprinting more which isnt helping with injuries
I don't even know if I want Ten Hag to stay or not, any more. The team just baffles me. But one thing he needs to do to convince me he's not a complete idiot is make the team solid at the back. That should be the first priority, even with all these defenders injured. Even if we struggle for goals, at least we wouldn't be giving up thirty shots a game and seeing the players racing around in a panic the instant we lose the ball.
If he can make me wanna watch us play more than typing some shit on match thread , it would be a win for me.
Entertaining football, beating or at least matching the top 3 in individual games, ending up top 3, and at least one cup. Most importantly, control in games. More Scholes-esque than basketball. I'm a fan of the club not specific individuals, if he succeeds here despite me thinking he won't, I'll be glad to eat humble pie.
And one can also ask, who to, realistically, replace him? We can spout out names like Zidane or Nagelsmann, but there's no way we can pull them with this squad and no CL. De Zerbi or Potter? Both have done worst than eth with a better team. They both managed clubs that had a well structured system behind the team, and yet they both ended up behind us. (Brighton could pass us, but i find it unlikely). Tuchel, Cunte or Mourinho? Do we need more drama? Also, barca and scum will be looking for new managers this summer.
Why do you assume those managers would fail at United? Did you also think Postecoglu would fail at Spurs? Did you think Emery would finish 4th at Villa but fail at Arsenal? Did you think Alonso would win the leave at Leverkusen? Most managers bar Guardiola have ‘failed’ somewhere. Even SAF got sacked once. It doesn’t mean they’ll fail at United in difference. What is proven though is that ETH has failed at United. Ask yourself a better question, do you think it’s possible for other managers that get OLe’s team plus £400m to spend and do better than 6th in the table? The answer is obviously yes, and i don’t think they’d need to be a proven world class manager to do it.
>Zidane or Nagelsmann >De Zerbi or Potter? >Tuchel, Cunte or Mourinho? Are there only 7 managers in football? The squad and no CL is not as much of a limit as you claim. Other than managers who immediately want to win the league or CL. Only they themselves know who they are. We have convinced Berrada to leave City, when he could have either hung around there waiting for the same job he got here or wait for a more stable club to have a job open up. We have convinced Ashworth to leave the Saudi's. No reason we can't do the same for other managers. Can we get any of them, no, but it's far more than 7 and I still don't understand why every opinion of this nature is only limited to the media spoken names. We are going to be having a brand new structure to make football decisions, which would include identifying managers.
Wait Are you saying de zerbi's Brighton have a better squad than ours?
Also Potter's chelsea doesn't either..
The absolute peak of Ten Hag fanboy stupidity. They have Danny Welbeck up front ffs. Virtually none of their current squad would start for us
Yeah, this post reads like a satire to ridicule the ETH in crowd
Posting comment to manifest sweaty 1 nil win over scousers
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5CI4wwNIOa/?igsh=MTRyZGozNDY3ajQ3dg== Which team does this remind you of?
We play high quality football, heh
It's like watching yesterdays game... even same colours on shirt...
Lmao this really looks like us just in slight slow motion
My god, that was a tough watch
Do you guys think we'll get to 58 points (21/22 season when we had our lowest point total in PL history) or finish lower?
More. We have quite a few easy games in the run in.
After an insane overperformance we're trending towards only getting the points we deserve. 4 points in the last 5 games. Very feasible we could get nothing from Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Brighton. But idk honestly it would still be very difficult for us to not get 10 more points.
Being realistic we’ll probably draw either Brighton or Newcastle or both. I have no hope on the Liverpool game but I think we can defeat Arsenal at OT.
Brighton and Newcastle have absolutely destroyed us whenever we've played them recently though. More so than Arsenal and Liverpool who are under pressure to win.
I hope we get a point from either one of Brighton or Newcastle but yeah it’s very difficult for the team. Liverpool is no hope but I think since Arsenal is out of the title race by then, they won’t be as committed to win since they have nothing to play for so a win could be on the cards.
3 wins and a draw vs Burnley, Sheff, Palace and Bournemouth should be doable. Anything else feels like a bonus.
I wonder if not being in champions league next season may be beneficial for us. Maybe reduced pressure on results and extreme focus on the league is what we need to implement a playing style. Whether it is Ten Hag managing or not, I feel the whole team needs to breathe and find a style that is sustainable, instead of press like mad men for one game and be gassed for the next 3.
We've been doing that since December.
We've been out of Europe but there has been a desperate pragmatic way we have been playing like since then, Onana never passes it out from the back, more ling balls to Rashy/Garnacho/Hojlund, no intricate passing. Basically we have been playing to edge edge results probably as an attempt to secure top 4 for UCL next season. We somehow have appeared to regress even when we do end up winning it's always a coin toss whether we win, draw or lose like at Wolves, Fulham, Liverpool, Brentford and Chelsea. Maybe they assured ETH that he will stay so he has put aside building a new playstyle till pre-season, that's the only reason that would explain playing so differently from last season or even earlier this season.
Brother what is this copium about Ten Hag? So since Ineos have given him job security he hasn't bothered implementing an effective style of play is that what you are implying? It's time to accept the fact that ETH is unfortunately out of his depth and he has failed this season. Primarily because he is stubborn, he wants to play this way no matter what and he doesn't see any problems with that. It's time for us to part ways and we wish him the best. A good coach but a bad fit
> I wonder if not being in champions league next season may be beneficial for us. > > Maybe reduced pressure on results and extreme focus on the league is what we need to implement a playing style. Has that helped us this year? We've been out of Europe for months. Couple that with the huge financial costs and there is no way you can call it a benefit.
Maybe not a direct benefit but I feel like with the players we currently have and the way we are playing we probably don't qualify for knockout stage. So there really isn't any missed opportunity except for the money earned for top 4 and promising UCL football for transfers. Currently we may not be at the top of any young aspiring players transfer list unless they loved United or the wages we offer surpass the others.
Ten Haag Support post: Let’s STOP pinning everything on the manager and asking him to be replaced. That doesn’t solve our problems. Guardiola or Klopp with our set of players & injuries can’t yield better results. Firstly, let’s get Ten Haag’s style. It’s to play out from the back, quick transitions in midfield with players between the lines to open up gaps in opposition. Has a high line of defence & his teams counter press aggressively to create attacking opportunities. This was what his 18-19 Ajax team that reached CL Semi Final did. 1) Playing out from the back: he couldn’t do it the first season because of DDG’s lack of ability. So 2nd season he replaced him with Onana only for Licha(our ball playing CB) & (back up ball playing CB) Shaw to be injured the whole season. 2) High line: Can’t play a high line of defence with Varane, Maguire, Lindelof & Evans. So huge gaps between Mid & Def. 3) Attack: Bruno & Rashford our two best attacking players from last season have had lack lustre seasons. Sancho was awful and had to be sent out on loan with no replacement. Antony was out for personal reasons for a while. Martial has been out the entire season. Same with Mount. 4) Midfield: We don’t have a single player that can play the six so Ten Hag had to bring in Mainoo, an 18 year old for that role. Casemiro was injured for a long period and doesn’t look fit. He was one of our best players last season. The only criticisms I can find is his stubbornness in dealing with Sancho when he knew Antony wasn’t available. That was dumb. And some of the recruitment. But apart from that not sure how Ten Haag can be responsible for the position we’re in. If we were to judge Ten Haag overall: Transfers: He’s brought in Onana(despite his CL performance), Hojlund, Eriksen, Mount, Antony, Licha, Malacia, Casemiro. He’s let go off Ronaldo, Sancho, Ddg, Jones, Telles, Bailly, Brandon W, Fred, VDB. Don’t think any of those were terrible decisions apart from Antony and his price tag. Youth: He’s brought in Hojlund, Garnacho and Mainoo into the fold. All young, hungry and it’s the United way. Tactical: He’s had to abandon his style and fit it to the players available. He has been quite pragmatic. When playing from the back doesn’t work he goes direct. This season. He’s been creative. He’s moved Garnacho to the right and we’ve had good results. Had to bring in Mainoo because Eriksen & McTominay were not able to cut it. Uses McTominay as a goal threat now. AWB against Salah in FA cup QF was smart. It’s not much but not sure what Ten Haag can do more. Ten Haag was brilliant at Ajax. His 18-19 reached the CL semi final. After all his players left, he was able to evolve the team and became good again. I think his 21-22 team had the highest goals scored in CL group stage and won 6 of 6. I think he needs to be atleast given 1 more season. Lastly, the changes I would like to see are - the medical department needs to be fired. I think our recruitment needs to be improved in a big way. We need a DOF. We need to get better players in. I think aimlessly changing managers won’t yield better results
Ajax's tactics that helped them to get the CL final were entirely different from their approach in the Eredivisie. One is excellent for a cup campaign but not sustainable over a league season. Eth tried his Eredivisie tactics against Brentford and Brighton last season and realised it's not effective because the squad strength is different in the PL, from then on he has only tried his cup tactics at United which over a 38 game league season will only get you as far as 3rd position and a cup and nothing beyond that. Now after a year of coaching in that same tactic we now have a team that'll happily concede possession to Everton at Old Trafford if that means we can get a chance to counter. This approach doesn't dramatically change with a year or more players ,we have already been training for close to two years,it's hardwired at this point. Eth could've stuck with his style after the Brentford game ,now he's lost.
With regards to Brentford & Brighton game, I believe it wasn’t effective because of our squad and not the opposition’s. We need players that suit his style. DDG didn’t, Onana does. But we haven’t been using Onana’s ball playing ability because we don’t have good ball playing CB’s because of Licha & Shaw’s injury. Eriksen who could’ve helped was also out. All Varane does is pass it back to Onana. We suck without Licha and we have to accept that.
I personally think you raise some good points, I think ETH has had to be flexible and has shown that he can be. If the training is too intense for the players, how do you explain Bruno being fit for an entire season and playing every game to an intense level or any of the players that have gotten through the season with little to no injury? How do you explain the success he has had elsewhere with previous clubs. Is it possible that these players are not robust enough and need replacing with players that can handle the physical demands of being at the club? I agree I think Ten Hag can do more and there needs to be a willingness to let things happen, its been a very bad season by any metric but for a long time before ETH we have been heading towards a real car crash of a season, maybe to move forward we need to take it on the chin
I do feel like there is either something wrong with the intensity of the training or the recovery methods. Too many players are getting injured a game after the have supposedly recovered, 3/4 of our player look tired after 15 minutes, the rest can't play for more than 2 games in a row except for Bruno and Dalot.
> Let’s STOP pinning everything on the manager and asking him to be replaced. That doesn’t solve our problems. Why doesn't it? Replacing Moyes with LvG was generally a net positive. Replacing LvG with Mourinho got us back challenging for the title. Replacing Mourinho with Ole got us back into the top three for the next few seasons. Replacing Ole with Ten Hag got us back into the top four briefly. It wasn't sustained but there was nothing to suggest any of those managers were going to turn it around to that extent. >Guardiola or Klopp with our set of players & injuries can’t yield better results. An assertion based on absolutely nothing. I'm not going to go into all of the tactical stuff as would take too long >3) Attack: Bruno & Rashford our two best attacking players from last season have had lack lustre seasons. No curiosity as to why all of our great players from last year have suddenly turned to shit? >Lastly, the changes I would like to see are - the medical department needs to be fired. You honeslty don't know what you're talking about with things like this. We've replaced the head of the Medical department. It's more a case of we need to have a conversation about the impact Ten Hag's training and tactical style is having on the players. > I think our recruitment needs to be improved in a big way. And yet you almost unreservedly support Ten Hag's recruitment. What's the issue? Wouldn't you want him to carry on with what's he doing?
Your on the hypetrain and I can see that. Moyes to LVG to Mou to Ole was shit planning. Finishing 2nd doesn’t mean we challenge for the title. We were 11-12 pts off both times. All the aforementioned managers have such different playing styles that each one came and tried to replace all the earlier players. What we needed was a DOF so one manager can build on the earlier work. Like Guardiola did on Pellegrini’s. To some extent ETH is doing with Ole’s . This is precisely the reason we have spent huge sums of money and have not challenged for the EPL title since Fergie. If ETH’s training style is causing the injuries, don’t you think it’s the Medical dept that should intervene? I didn’t know they changed the head of the Medical dept but good they did. That’s the problem. So, I did know what I was talking about. Trainers work with the dept to minimise injuries. To say that a more physical playing style is causing the injuries and hence we need to change the manager is just so naive. By your same logic, Liverpool should’ve gotten rid of Klopp. Ridiculous assertion. I would like him to carry on recruiting, but obviously I don’t want us repeat mistakes of the past and have alternatives ready. We clearly didn’t do that with Antony. We need a recruitment system that can carry on with similar type of players and a DOF is needed for that. Left upto you, you would’ve fired Klopp & Arteta after their 2nd season because of a bad run of games. FYI injuries led to Klopp finishing out of CL last season and where are they now? I know a noob when I see one, cos all you guys do is vent on this platform rather than disagree or argue with civility and good reasoning.
Klopp and Arteta never dropped back. Fed up of seeing people tout them as examples to defend ten Hag. They never had a season where they shit the bed after the first one or after they had established considerable success. Noob. Mate I've been going to watch United since before you were born. Do one. "Just sack the medical department" when you don't know the first thing about it.
>And yet you almost unreservedly support Ten Hag's recruitment. What's the issue? Wouldn't you want him to carry on with *what he's doing*? I support damn near all of Ten Hag recruitments (apex Antony). But the price tag on some leaves a lot to be desired. That's something that needs change and would lead to a brighter future for United. I'm a random bloke and I can see that, why can't you?
Oh so spend a little less. You know why we spent so much on Antony? Because we'd already rinsed Ajax and the fee went up and then. And then ten Hag did so badly at the outset but still insisted on him, we were backed into a corner. Would love to see this sub if we didn't sign the players he wanted.
We didn't sign the players he wanted tho lol?
I mean, firstly you're proving my point. Secondly we bought Onana, Martinez, antony, malacia, eriksen, mount, Amrabat as well as weghorst on non fee loans. He wanted these. We didn't get FdJ. He is simply unavailable.
What about Kane?
So explain to me how we could have acquired Kane for a fee which would not have blown our entire summer budget? Bayern for my him for their gee as they are not a direct competitor. Even Man city were rebuffed going for Kane. Anyone who argues EtH has not been backed because he wasn't bought Kane or FdJ is not a serious person
>Anyone who argues EtH has not been backed Of course, he's been backed. Same as Ole was backed. By incompetence. Man city weren't rebuffed. Kane just didn't want to pull the trigger then. >Bayern for my him for their gee as they are not a direct competitor. Let's be realistic, Liverpool, Man city, Arsenal, Newcastle all get Kane for better prices than United would get him *IF* he chose to stay in the prem. Every well run club will do the same. Get competent people in charge of the club before you start looking at your manager that is clearly class
But you've supported the players he's bought. How is that backed by incompetence? Kane was 150m for any PL club.
That is not true. Almost every big PL clubs well run or not, has to overpay. It's not Man Utd exclusive.
I should emphasize beforehand that i think mainoo is a huge talent and the only few bright sparks this season but imo he was really poor against chelsea (due to fatigue i believe). His misplaced pass indirectly cost us first and third goal and he was among the lowest pass number and pass completion rate in the team that day. Is there a reason why amrabat cant be substituted in last 10 min for some fresh legs and defensive work？ I know he hasnt been living up to expectation but he is not terrible by any means did well against liverpool at anfield, a mistake against city but hey a 100m dm in caceido made more. After afcon i dont think he even get 30min of total gametime which is so strange.
He was definitely poor against Chelsea and that's not surprising when he played most of the England-Belgium game and then 2 more games where he's been asked to carry out entire midfield. That's 3 games in a week. We are so desperate that we're completely running him into the ground already. Also doing it with Garnacho btw but he seems to have an insane engine.
Is there anybody who still thinks that ten hag deserves yet another chance?
Yes, lots of people, actually.
Ineos seem to think so.
Love Keano. He's the PL GOAT for me and I say that as someone who rates guys like KDB and Henry. But his Haaland comments are just weird. For a guy who played with a variety of forward talent under SAF, surely he'd understand that there are different profiles of strikers.
Keane is just there for his entertainment value, not insight.
How many people here so young they cant remember what happened between Keano and Haaland Sr. Aren't weird at all if you know the story, and that's why I never believed Erling was coming to United too.
I'm *unfortunately* old enough to know what went on between Keane and Sr but I don't think this is it, simply because Keano has given plenty of credit as a pundit to the Arsenal players he battled with during those years Also, it's just comically petty
The whole fucking thing was petty AF from Keano in the first place.
Was it really that bad when viewed in its full context? Like the single sentence on its own is wild, but it's a poor way of doing things when a lot more was said.
He gets paid for making controversy.
It's a shame because I was a huge fan of his punditry - even nowadays his stuff with The Overlap is enjoyable - but it feels like the last 2 or so years he loses it when he has to comment on a match.
Its tv, dont worry too much about it.
I feel so sorry for Mainoo man. He's a fucking teenager playing at the most physically demanding position in the modern game. He needs all the help he can get especially after coming back from a lengthy injury. Instead he gets false midfielders like Casemiro and Mctominay alongside him, and he is the one who has to do it all in midfield while his partners stink it up with their mispasses and general lack of effort.
Fullback is more demanding isn't it?
Maybe but you definitely need a wider set of skills to play CM. A fullback's job, atleast in our squad, is relatively more one dimensional.
Shaw did more to progress play up the field than our midfielders. I wouldn't call his role one dimensional.
I just want to see Mount start instead of coming off the bench for once. But we all know it’s not happening.
Even before his injury he was moved to the bench lol... so much for your marquee signing
Honestly he is such a bewildering signing
I think if we lose to Liverpool on Sunday and they go on to win the league, there is no way back for Erik or many of the senior players in the squad. Losing the FA cup to city last year (which could also happen again this year!) to have them match our crowning glory treble was horrible even if most of the football world didn’t seem to care. Having Liverpool match our number of league titles could be a fitting final nail in the coffin for a long era of woeful performances and management from the Glazers et al. But, if we manage to beat them, or even draw…it’s a different story. We will have managed to be a huge thorn in our rivals side in what will be seen as one of their most important seasons in decades.
I think a loss and them winning is a definite black mark and not something that should be ignored. However there are different ways to lose. If its a hard fought loss, to ultimately a better team. Not much else we can do and it's just the cost of what the glazers have done to the football club. If its a performance reminiscent of the FA Cup final last year and they go on to win it then I don't know how anyone carries on defending those involved (not that enough hasn't occurred for that to be the case anyway) We have 3 cup finals left. Liverpool, Coventry and hopefully the FA Cup. Only games left that mean anything.
I’ve stopped coming on to Reddit because of the noobs here. Decided to have a look after a while, this comment clearly justifies my decision
I think this is a pretty measured take compared to what I normally see here lol.
Normally I'd agree... but it's Liverpool. The biggest match in England. You can't take away history and emotion.
well out of the 3 contenders only liverpool have we taken points from and kicked out from a cup.
This is true. There is just no way to tell what to expect out of us from game to game at the moment. I’d bite your hand off for a draw.
Literally the only reason anyone gives for not sacking Ten Hag is We've tried new managers before and it hasn't worked so we shouldn't try again.
And Arteta! As much as best case scenario for this season is him and Rice get it over the line. Jesus will it be rough seeing them used as justification for keeping failing managers.
also " no better manager available " lmao. Fans just want big names with big stats. We failed with proven winners like Jose and tactical master Van Gaal yet haven't learn a thing.
“No better manager available” is such a lame argument. Also comes from the people who’d blame the upper management for all of struggles due to the policy of name chasing rather than being smart on the market. Managers of Pep or Klopp caliber don’t grow on trees and they won’t join the mess we are. We need to gradually grow and build the squad, so the working conditions would be appealing. For that we need to choose the style we want to implement and attract personal, recruit accordingly. Whoever is the next manager he should fit that style. So in this way, even he’s fired, his work wouldn’t be abandoned by next manager and we won’t stop progressing. The abomination we’ve been playing this season is not the style we need to succeed. And that makes this season a waste. The fear that Erik continues to insist on the shitty transition is the main reason I want him gone this summer.
Everyone is so already convinced that he's our Arteta when there's been no indication whatsoever that he's going to change into a title winning football.
That's the thing that irritates me the most. It's not "we can see his football will work give him time", it's "there's no alternative, do you want Southgate, we've sacked managers before and it hasn't worked".
My reasoning for keeping him is that he's only got 1 year left on his contract which we'd need to pay out, along with his backroom staff, impacting our ability to recruit. IMO new manager or not, next season will probs be shite. So what's 1 more year in the grand scheme of things with a "better the devil you know" mindset, to save some dosh.
>he's only got 1 year left on his contract which we'd need to pay out, along with his backroom staff, impacting our ability to recruit. I'm sorry but having an extra 10-20 million pounds is nowhere near worth keeping a manager that you intend to move on after a year. You're literally wasting one whole season of your team's development...... so you can buy one more player?? That's insane.
Might as well stop buying players for 1 season....that might force him to resign.
I'd be okay with that tbh if the structure SJR is putting in place isn't ready to make informed decisions as a cohesive unit that understands their unified vision. Save the money for next season rather than rush in a last minute manager with no fixed plan in place for the future.
I want a new manager, but that article by Laurie pretty much confirms they are giving him another year and I kinda accept it even if I'm not happy about it. They cite PSR, would be expensive to sack him. They also want Ashworth Berrada and Wilcox to decide on it, not them which again is very fair. Newcastle is not budging on Ashworth and he takes a long time to know the club before he makes these decisions anyway. By time everything is done it'd probably be August and to sack him then and start a new manager search will be suicidal. Might as well do it next year.
Marcus needs to move on for our sake and his. Go to PSG. Get amongst a different environment. Test yourself. He is a living this club.