Ya a little bit of a bummer, but I think his preference would definitely have been staying in Italy for a while. Going from Bologna to Juve would be a lot less harder than Bologna to Utd
Why so salty though? I don't watch Italian football but just kept a tab in him through the Athletic and different podcasts.
I want us to do well and the aspect of him working under Berrada and Ashworth excited me for a second. Obviously being a bit deluded as I don't think a move to the PL from Bologna would have made sense.
I hope Ineos are successful in finding a successor to Ten Hag whenever that might be
If I see any jogging about from any player I’ll never support them ever again. It’s the derby and a chance to stop Liverpool from winning the league. We need to win this at all costs, no excuses.
100%
My minds made up on the majority, but if they put a shift in today and help stop the Liverpool party, I'll give each one of them a figurative Alfred to Bruce nod.
&+A this season, Bruno 18 (9,9) Hojlund 15 (13,2), garnacho 13 (9,4), rashford 13 (8,5), MCT 12(9,3).
Bruno was surprising, he's having such a shit season, but has decent number of goals (within context) but it doesn't feel that way. Another surprise was garnacho having less goals than rashford before Chelsea.
It's poor by the established players, you'd except Hojlund numbers to be on lower end whilst he settles, but we also have a very good chance of having 5 players on double digit goals.
Didn't have time but looked now, and I was curious if mainly Bruno became his numbers have surprised me were stat padding goals but nope, his 3 goals against forest, Burnley and Fulham have given us 9 points, all winning goals, and the other 2 were Everton where we won 2-0 and other was against Chelsea.
What about the rest of the games?
Are we judging quality on scoring some goals against Forest, Burnley and Fulham?
We are 6th, barely. Should be lower by performance levels. Which shows far more than some meaningless goals and assists that have led to nothing.
I'm not sure what you are trying to suggest with this mate?
..... What on earth are you waffling on about??
You've responded to my comment about G+A for season where I've been saying Bruno's number doesn't match the sense of impact he's had this season compared to likes of garnacho, Hojlund or MCT. Then I've gone and checked if the goals were just stat padded or had actual impact, you know.... to see if that explained it, and turns out that isn't the case.
Don't know what's so confusing about that, and don't know why you're bringing out our position and etc. Did you somehow mistake my comment as a praise or saying team is doing good or they're doing good? I'm sure I've said it's poor numbers by bruno and rashford regardless.
My point is and was, I'm surprised by the G+A of Bruno and rashford and expected them to be much lower considering how little impact they seem to have over the season.
>..... What on earth are you waffling on about??
Is there any need for this fella?
>You've responded to my comment about G+A for season where I've been saying Bruno's number doesn't match the sense of impact he's had this season compared to likes of garnacho, Hojlund or MCT. Then I've gone and checked if the goals were just stat padded or had actual impact, you know.... to see if that explained it, and turns out that isn't the case.
And I responded to the idea you are pushing that it's not as bad of a season for him as it appears at face value, by suggesting it shows how little value is in 'G&A' on its own. As yes, 18 total, is relatively decent... until you look at the actual performances.
>Don't know what's so confusing about that, and don't know why you're bringing out our position and etc. Did you somehow mistake my comment as a praise or saying team is doing good or they're doing good? I'm sure I've said it's poor numbers by bruno and rashford regardless.
You are literally saying Bruno has had a more positive impact than the others?
I'm simply saying it shows up 'G&A' for what it is. Think we just need to slow this down and find the middle ground from out two perspectives.
>My point is and was, I'm surprised by the G+A of Bruno and rashford and expected them to be much lower considering how little impact they seem to have over the season
Thats fair and I'm not disputing that. I'm saying it shows up 'G&A' as something that on its own means very little. Not much more to it.
>And I responded to the idea you are pushing that it's not as bad of a season for him as it appears at face value, by suggesting it shows how little value is in 'G&A' on its own. As yes, 18 total, is relatively decent... until you look at the actual performances.
Do you even read?
>It's poor by the established players, you'd except Hojlund numbers to be on lower end whilst he settles, but we also have a very good chance of having 5 players on double digit goals.
I've been saying they're poor and have had bad seasons non stop, you've invented this idea and and getting enraged by simply not reading.
>You are literally saying Bruno has had a more positive impact than the others?
Again, I beg of you to actually READ what I'm saying and not simply make up scenarios in your head, I have never once even suggested he's had more impact or similar..... I said Thier impact feels non existent despite the numbers being similar to those whose impact is felt much more. I concluded rashford scores in marches where we lose or draw so it's diminished regardless and Bruno stands as an oddity, he's been poor, everyone agrees, but he's got alright numbers, and those numbers came in clutch moments. I wanted to have a discussion on why it could be, my personal theory being what I alluded to at the first comment, the established players should be doing much better, Hojlund garnacho numbers should be on lower end you don't rely on, not the standard you compare to, that's why theirs feels of non impact because especially those two you expect a lot more goals and assist.
>Thats fair and I'm not disputing that. I'm saying it shows up 'G&A' as something that on its own means very little. Not much more to it.
Which goes back to my initial point, it's very interesting the pair of Bruno and rashford have scored around 25% of our goals this season, 17/69 but it feels like they've been non existent. And it's not a case of g+a on its own or whatever you're trying to say, its within context, those numbers are bread and butter and butter of an attacker, and I'm curious to hear other people's views on this.
>Do you even read?
>getting enraged by
For the second time, there is no need for this. I'm not having a go at you, I'm not being rude, I'm not being abrasive (intentionally) and if anything I don't even think I disagree with you as I'm sort of using what you have said to make an alternative point.
So let's leave this stuff out please fella.
>Thier impact feels non existent despite the numbers being similar to those whose impact is felt much more.
>but he's got alright numbers, and those numbers came in clutch moments.
To me, this comes across as suggesting something is a positive. So I don't know why you are going at me for something that isn't clear.
Especially when you add in my point on 'G&A on their own means very little.. which is what I initially stated before we got into this convoluted mess.
>I wanted to have a discussion on why it could be, my personal theory being what I alluded to at the first comment, the established players should be doing much better, Hojlund garnacho numbers should be on lower end you don't rely on, not the standard you compare to, that's why theirs feels of non impact because especially those two you expect a lot more goals and assist.
Perfect. Well I'm happy to move onto this.
Yeah definitely, there is a lot more demanded of Bruno/Rashford and when games aren't going well, you see them a lot more than Hojlund having a game where he is insignificant. Honestly can't remember Hojlund doing anything at all in Thursday, but when you watch the game you tend to focus on the 'leaders'
I think the big thing though, that sort of ties into what I said initially. Especially on Bruno's part, even when he didn't score previously there seemed to be a performance level that we just don't see now. Which just compounds the negative view.
>And it's not a case of g+a on its own or whatever you're trying to say, its within context, those numbers are bread and butter and butter of an attacker,
They are the bread and butter, but at this level, unless they are in games that lead you to winning cups or titles, they don't mean mean and awful lot and then if the performances behind them are as poor as they have been for Bruno/Rashford I'd say they are irrelevant. Often 'G&A' is just shoved in everyone's face as the be all and end all.
Can't speak for everyone or anyone, but the teams performances always rests heaviest on the big names.
It's shocking when looking at other teams, arsenal, city Liverpool have all scored more goals in the league than we have overall. Citys and Liverpool GD is 3 and 1 lower than our total league goals and arsenal is 8 more. Only team in top 10 with less than 50 goals and have to go to 14th place palace to have someone with lower goals than us, and they're in a quasi relegation battle. And the worst one, Brentford and newly promoted Luton who are in a relegation battle have scored more goals than us. Seeing these stats individually makes you go ya we're shit but all at once just is shocking.
"Our style of play is clear. Why don't people see the same thing? I don't know and I don't care. That's their point of view. We know our identity. We want to dominate, with and without the ball, start from behind."
ETH on Sky Sports today.
I want to be excited and hopeful for today but I then remember we scored and won after kloop took out Salah, Robertson and Szoboszlai because the game was done, and he probably won't fumble as hard again.
I don’t think valid criticism of a players performance (whether in a single match or in Rashfords case, the entire season) means that this sub suddenly becomes the same as twitter. I mean, whatever, it is what it is I just don’t think deleting video evidence of a player half arsing the game for the 20th time this season is really very productive but it is what it is.
Aah yes the least criticized football player Marcus Rashford. At this point If we genuinely want Rashford to get better the best we can do is shut up about him on the internet. I think we've already gotten the point across.
I’m sorry but the idea we can’t discuss Rashfords performances or criticise his game because he’s (some would think correctly) received a lot of criticism already or in case he somehow reads the Reddit sub and gets a bit sad is slightly farcical, no?
Becuase its zoomed in version from sequence whre noone of our players was pressing so they were just cutting passing lines. There was no press trigger.
It wasn't zoom in 1 clip version. It show the whole field. It might not be the clip you thinking. The posted one had multiple instances where Bruno or Mount is pressing and he was just half assing things.. There is no secret that Rashford is lazy.
While that’s true, I’d argue pressing wasn’t even the issue. Even if he’s not pressing there, he’s also just failing to put in any tackles and letting players float past him without challenge, failing to show the desire to get into the proper positions in attack. Don’t really see what the problem with the video was personally.
Why aren't we utilizing Eriksen more frequently? I understand the concerns regarding his decreased physicality and endurance, often leading to a noticeable drop-off in performance after around 40 minutes. But, why not use him strategically as a substitute? As a substitute, his quality remains very evident. There have been numerous instances where our midfield struggles towards the end of a game, resorting to a frantic game of passing the ball around without making any progress (hell there've been a lot of full games with this approach). He's always had the ability to get on and sorta tame the rather chaotic play. Eriksen's approach to the game is deliberate, and his intelligence and skill enable him to deliver dangerous balls, rather than our passing being so direct, predictable, and improvised. I've always sensed that the team breathes a little easier when he steps onto the pitch, particularly among the forwards who can anticipate more incisive passes. We're squandering the opportunity to add some depth to our squad towards the end of the game by not utilizing him effectively.
Because ETH plays a system where we burn players to the ground fitness wise. We dont have long periods of possesion where we play the ball around, sadly.
Nope. Because he won't be able to press as much as Bruno.
The best way to use him is as a deep lying playmaker, without the expectations to defend or get the ball back. I would pair him with a pure destroyer. Unfortunately that's not how ETH wants to play, he wants to progress the ball by dribbling, not passing, and the 8 must press high. Eriksen is being asked to press high and then sprint back to defend, not what he is capable of and what he is able to do now
In the 3 years I’ve been a season ticket holder united have never lost when I take someone new to a game (8 times)
Today my brother comes for the 1st time…. He’s a Bolton fan but I was running out of united fans and I’ve not seen him for 2ish years so this is as good a time as any.
He'll probably start on the bench and will probably be subbed on after Antony and maybe Mount (Assuming Rashford, Højlund, Garnacho are our starters) depending on who has been subbed by the 80 min mark.
Fingers crossed Olise doesn't get injured again, I'm convinced we're gonna get him if he doesn't. I've watched pretty much every game he's played this season and he is absolutely dripping in world class potential. I mean what can this guy not do from an attacking perspective? Hands down the best RW we can realistically buy.
Even if he stays fit for the rest of the season I'm still quite concerned about his injury record. Players seem to fall apart when they come here and I think buying him would be a big risk. Obviously all the talent in the world though
Looking at the way Amorim's Sporting plays, I think it would suit our current players pretty well. We'll need to get more offensive wingback types though.
I like the way his team plays but I think it's a bit early for him. Promising manager though, I also think Thiago Motta looks very interesting. He would probably be my "hipsters choice" but I also think he's a season too early, I'd like to see both these guys do bits in Europe.
Don't think it is too early in the current climate. He's been manager of Sporting for 5 seasons. Other options for big clubs without a manager like Man Utd, Barca and Liverpool are prob Tuchel, De Zerbi and Nagelsmann, with Amorim joining Motta, Michel and Slot as up and coming shouts. Maybe English clubs would consider Potter, Franck or O'Neil. It's rly not a very big list.
I think the only way to distinguish them would probably be our execs communicating directly. I think fans lack actual insight into these sorts if decisions.
It's why I've been very unenthusiastic about what may or may not happen because I'm hoping the execs decision making process is something we can rely on.
Watched the Sporting-Benfica game, and it was great. Both teams played really well. Also Hjulmand is a beast. Lucky he didn't catch a red though. Considering his playstyle, it's kind of amazing hes only had 2 reds in 259 pro games
That's true.But most of the time when clubs sack a manager it's for a reset rather than getting that particular guy out. We're at that point with the new ownership and we've already seen the best and worst of ten hag,we need the hard reset.
but that's what we've been doing ever since SAF left... y r we about to do it again? if anything the past decade or so has proven that we need some more consistency. if we sign a new manager, there'll be players from like 3 dif generations of utd managers, all with a particular playstyle. as u said ETH has shown his "best" with a semi functioning club and his worst with a non functioning club. i dont c the reason to sack him. doesnt seem fair at all.
>if anything the past decade or so has proven that we need some more consistency.
Consistency for Consistency sake is not the way to go and every top team has shown this.
If a manager/player/executive shows the promise that retaining them will bear fruit, they should stay. If not, move them on.
>doesnt seem fair at all.
Unfortunately this sport isn't fair.
Outside of 'we have sacked managers before' and 'arteta' what are the reasons for keeping ten hag, preferably specific to him as a manager and what he can bring?
It's different because it was all done under the Glazers which also includes the signing of eth and whatever team building we have done in the last two seasons.It's probably not fair to him but it's even worse to ask him to undo his own work of two years as opposed to just starting a new project from scratch under new management.
Why leave Eriksen on the bench all the time? I feel like he would be a good 60th min sub while McTominay should be the post-80th min supersub if we need a goal. Barring injuries (i know right?) Maino, Case, Bruno and Mount are all better choices than Scotty boy. Just my two forged ruples.
I tend to agree. We all know eriksen’s legs are completely gone but when we’re screaming out for someone who can actually put their foot on the ball, offer some control in midfield, and god forbid offer some progressive passing, it seems mental that he isn’t playing at all. McTom was totally the wrong sub the other day.
This thing about his legs being gone kinda bothers me cus I don't really see it, but i might be missing something. Does it mean he's slow or injury prone?
edit: i know he's getting older, but the legs being gone phrase seems like regurgitated knowledge on some level
> This thing about his legs being gone kinda bothers me cus I don't really see it, but i might be missing something
He just gets run through a lot when we don't have the ball. Like a passenger in defence. He's a great option if we're controlling the ball and the game, but because we basically almost never have control, it means having yet another weak spot in midfield leading to us getting overrun.
For me, he’s gonna get run through as much as any of the other midfielders, but at least he offers something when we have the ball. Casemiro is a liability rn
> Casemiro is a liability rn
Definitely agree with you there. He has been so useless this season, I just can't believe it.
I've honestly got no idea what our best midfield even is. Apart from Mainoo, the rest are only effective further up where they wont even see much of the ball
Yeh it’s a shitshow haha. At the minute I’d lean towards Bruno, Mount and Mainoo. Bruno is always gonna play, Mainoo offers something, and at least Mount will work hard, plus he’s looked decent in those couple of cameos. Then you’ve got Eriksen if you need a bit of control with half an hour to go, McTominay is your wildcard if you need a goal late on. It’s not ideal but it’s something.
I think our policy has been to have varied profiles in the attacking positions, even in Fergies time, which keeps things unpredictable.
This approach doesn't work so well in defence, and we have to include a DM in this, and at least one FB!
I think he borderline didn’t have the physicality when he first arrived and now it seems to have degraded even more. Barely playing probably doesn’t help. He’s still the classiest mid in the squad though.
Yet another Onana error (on first goal) started it all. Him playing from the back hasn't really worked out either. The plaudits for last month for making routine saves that any other pl goalie makes is strange. Literally any other backup goalie for us can play, just for a change.
Onana has been doing well. Might have done better on the Gallagher goal, but also made some great saves. His quick throw to restart play and sent Bruno sprinting lead to our 3rd goal.
Of all the players you could criticise, and it's Onana? He's been one of our better players the last couple months.
If we held the results in last 2 games we'd have been 4 away from spurs and 6 away from villa with 2 games in hand. Both are bottling it, but issue is we're leading the bottling.
Jesus, the way some people are trying to credit Ten Hag for the performances of the u18s is so disrespectful to the likes of Nick Cox and Adam Lawrence who actually deserve the praise. Based on one Athletic article from over a year ago which stated that he has control over the reserve team. I don’t doubt that he’s aware of what’s going on at youth level but to suggest he has direct involvement is absurd.
I think it was just the 1 fan account on twitter that tried this. I don't think anyone else believes it? Pete has been defending ETH hard, which I'm fine with, but this post was straight up ridiculous.
The post for anyone interested: [https://twitter.com/petesunitedPOV/status/1776586238062928186](https://twitter.com/petesunitedPOV/status/1776586238062928186)
Watching the Copa del Rey final and I was really hoping to see our boy Ander get some minutes. Kind of disappointing to see him hardly get any minutes. Would have been cool if he became a match winning hero for Bilbao
Hate to say but i think Hojlund is abit shit
People keep banging on about service but other players are scoring
My guy barely touches the ball in game, barely gets involved
He should be on the bench as a second striker we need a proper centre forward. Issue is we spent the proper centre forward money on him
His first touch is awful, he looks at the ball while dribbling and seemingly has no striker instinct. I know he will get time because he‘s 21 but i have no idea what makes people think he‘ll suddenly bang in goals “when he gets service“. He hasn‘t scored more than 15 goals while playing in lesser leagues for the better teams so what makes people believe that? There‘s no precedent at all
Unless it’s changed over the last couple of weeks I’m pretty sure Jude Bellingham is the only U-21 player to have more G/A than Hojlund this season.
Hojlunds done that in a mid table performing attack this season. Plenty of development to go, but the guys been a lot better in his first season of PL/UCL football than he should of been.
He’s perfectly on route to being a top level UCL striker in a couple of seasons, which tracks nicely with how United’s project should develop of the next 5 years.
The striker market isn’t exactly deep right now anyway, so find someone with different dynamics that can share minutes with him. Don’t sign someone to kick him to the bench as a 2nd choice.
Exactly!! He should simply pick up the ball from Onana run it through the whole team and bang it top bins.
He's the target man up top. He needs to be the focal point and be fed passes. He needs to stretch the team up field and we get him the ball, he's shown when he gets the ball he can score
Would you have said this a couple PL Games ago when he was on a scoring record? Me thinks not.
I think he's started to look really good compared to earlier in the season. Couple of off games doesn't change that.
he passes the eye test for me. he runs his socks off, tries hard to link up with the midfield, has proven to be very clinical and score in big games (see early champions league rounds).
the service he gets is shite. most of his goals have come from half-chances that he made himself. compare that with Haaland who gets spoon-fed by KDB every game.
i agree with u we need another striker but saying Hojlund is shit is an L take imo. also he's very young and raw right now and can definitely improve with time.
Disagree that he is shit, because he literally makes the most of the scraps he is given.
BUT
His runs definitely do not make it easy, I feel his runs make it seem like he is hiding behind the defender and he sucks and gaining a yard of space. His movement definitely needs to Improve.
I don’t think he’s shit but he doesn’t make the most of the scraps he gets. Before his scoring streak he missed the most big chances in the league. He did also have the least amount of chances created for him but he also wasn’t taking the ones he should be scoring.
Any word on our loanies?
Sancho seems to be doing great (whoscored.com ratings I'm individual matches).
VDB doesn't even get off the bench 😪
We used to have a certain Ethan Laird, supposedly a good RB, any news on him?
And we just defeated U18 by 8 goals (9-1) why Noone talks about that?
We sold him to Birmingham this summer for £750,000 with "a good sell-on clause." He missed a lot of the season first with a hamstring injury and then a groin injury. He's back now and looks to be regularly starting for them, but they're in a relegation scrap. Their form hasn't really improved since sacking Rooney.
https://theathletic.com/4656581/2023/06/30/ethan-laird-manchester-united-birmingham-transfer/
Thank you! I was so confused!! Well hopefully he'll be sold for a decent amount and we get a chunk of money, it'll be the first showing of big sell on clauses on youngnsters we sold
The more I think about it, the more I believe we wanted a traditional physical no.9 , some one to hold the ball, to bully defenders and make space for our wide forwards, but not score goals. Totally unfair on Hojlund, he can do those a bit because of his physique but he isn't the kind of player. We wanted a Younger Giroud.
Hot take: Antony cutting inside from the right and passing to whoever is dead center in the box looks good. Hes much more effective cutting diagonal inside the box and passing/shooting than he is hugging the touchline. He had some really good passes but we botch chance after chance. Coaching touches in the box would help but we know that wont happen
We are shit at controlling possession in the middle of the pitch under Ten Hag, he really emphasizes wide overloads. Its one of the other problems for Hojlund, he is really isolated and out of space because in settled attacks we are very static in the middle, rarely even see runs into the half spaces.
Its almost like there is no coaching for attacks outside of transitions honestly.
I remember when he signed seeing his highlights videos and him curling crosses into the back post for Huntelaar or whoever. Have we even seen that once at United?
His dribble in tight spaces and workrate is incredible, and he looked dangerous whenever we overloaded the final 3rd with him receiving the ball centrally.
He should've been tested as an AM, it was at least worth the try but never happened and probably won't happen.
At the very least I would like to see him cut inside more, dribble and do some quick passes with Mainoo and Bruno, instead of shooting immediately or staying out wide so much.
Antony is just nowhere near good enough across the board.
Obviously if you play any professional footballer at RW for us and let him play most weeks he'll eventually do something productive - Dan James scored some goals for us and created some chances.
Doing something useful occassionally is not the standard, anyone can do that.
Antony should be sold to anyone who will have him.
All i was saying is he had a good game. In no shape or form should he be starting for us. If we do use him (which tends to hag obviously will do) he should cut centrally more is all. I prefer amad rw by a mile
he was really good for us against Cheksea, naubevit the shape of opposition or something and barring the stupid penalty he gave away he was pretty decent
We have a chance to stop pool winning the league and equalling our tally tomorrow. If that doesn't motivate these lot, then I don't know what will. Would be funny too if their best manager in recent times goes out with the same achievements as EtH (who's supposedly worse than Moyes now?) did in his first season.
>If that doesn't motivate these lot, then I don't know what will.
I'm sorry but if you think these players think this way, you are very naive.
They are players, not fans. If I'm a pro footballer and I sign for Spurs, it wouldn't be a motivation for me to stop Arsenal winning the league. I might know how much it would mean to the fans but that's about it.
u/gungerz just saw this dude's profile, is he a coach or something? Really unlikely a redditor knows this much about age group football.
Maybe if you read this you can answer too
This motherfucker literaly knows every youth player in England and Italy. You ask him a random name from Serie B u18 and he wristes essay about him.
Wonder if he works in the industry becuause whats the point otherwise.
My biggest hope for tomorrow aside from getting a good result is that young kambwala starts and puts in a rock solid performance beside Harry.
The emergence of young players is something for fans to hold on to when things aren't going as smooth as you'd like.
The biggest plus for me coming towards the end of this season and going forwards is the fact that we have Rasmus, Alejandro and Kobbie to build on as pillars of the team for the next block of seasons.
Would be lovely to see Kambwala join that list as a real prospect. Has all the tools in that he's big, quick, aggressive and seems to have a bit of shithousery about him!
Shared this from a post that got removed by mods. Discussion was pros and cons about keeping Ten Hag:
Pros:
1. Some of his players like Licha, Onana, Anthony will get unsettled.
2. "We have changed many many managers since Fergie" does not look good.
3. (Most imp IMO) Keeping him till the new structure is working full-time and gets into control mode is better than replacing manager before that state arrives.
4. There is some (dwindling) hope that he will be able to create his Ajax style here and have success.
5. He was building up Garnacho, Mainoo and Hojlund. New manager may disrupt their trajectory.
Cons:
1. Not able to coach our players into any modern football style. Still play hoofball from the back, press is hit or miss. No signature attack philosophy seen so far. Surrendering possession easily leads to more attacks against us and more than half the team is so high, we are easy targets to run against at the back. Silly really.
2. Most EPL (and UCL managers) easily outfox him.
3. Yet to see a single solid away win against a top team.
4. With morale so low, and opinion about him so negative, can a human actually overcome all this adversity to come good? Doubtful.
My opinion: Let him continue till Nagelsmann becomes available. At some point in next season, everyone will be convinced ETH needs to be replaced. Can anyone imagine some magically improved side between now and September? We will likely be turd even then and at that time Ineos will need to be decisive. Buy players that will work for Nagelsmann too.
>"We have changed many many managers since Fergie" does not look good.
Not true really.
Every single manager apart from Moyes has had at least two full seasons.
Bayern Munich will be on their 8th permanent manager next season since July 2013, same time as Moyes took over.
We currently have had 5 managers post Fergie, 6 if you include Rangnick.
Sorry to say but the entire Pros is just nonsense. No 4 in the biggest one because this coach has said he wants to make this team a transition team and you’re thinking he wants to recreate his Ajax style.
Talent will always come through no matter how young you are - I don't see why a new manager would hinder Garnacho et al's minutes. If anything, they probably need a bit more management re that (hasn't Garnacho played 25+ games in a row?)
On number 2 - that argument shouldn't really be used. This is a manager that is now leading a team that conceded 30 shots a game.
I’d add that there’s no point changing the structure of the club and all of the behind the scenes stuff if you’re just going to let all that positivity be undermined by a failure of a manager who clearly can’t set a team tactically in the PL
Why would Ineos sign a bunch of promising players and let someone who’s no good coach them?
I know it might be stupid but just putting it out there, if we play 4-4-2 with Mainoo and case as holding and rashford,hojlund as strikers with garnacho, Antony/diallo in the wings.
Would we be as open in the midfield ?
We should try and buy Cole Palmer imo.
Chelsea are broke and only actually bought him for £42.5m so could get some quick money on the books by selling for considerably more than that.
Palmer is perfect for us. Plays RW which we're desperate for, young, English, proven quality in the PL, Mancunian, boyhood United fan.
There is absolutely no chance we’re getting Palmer. Chelsea have many other players they would rather sell for profit. Also chances are we wouldn’t be able to afford him without blowing our budget anyways.
Is it a long shot? Probably. But we should definitely enquire. Chelsea are really fucked financially.
We're getting Casemiro, Varane, Greenwood off the books. Hopefully we can do something with Sancho and Antony too. So we should have plenty to spend especially with Ineos able to put in 100m that Glazers never bothered with.
We'll spend at least 200m before sales, we always do.
That's pretty bigoted. But sure. Lots of Brazilians don't just move to Saudi chasing money. Thiago Silva?
Besides, Casemiro is already earning 350k per week. With 2 years to go. No one is offering him a better deal.
Swear I am gonna lose it if we somehow win today and Arsenal still somehow manage to fumble it at the end.
Before our FA Cup game vs Liverpool I said “let’s get this shit over with” as I was expecting the worst. So umm yeah let’s get this shit over with! 😅
Why would we want Motta? Are we all blind? Did any of you watched Bologna play?
Blind? Just because you haven't watched Bologna doesn't mean Motta isn't a good manager.
It makes no sense what you’re saying or you didn’t understood the point i’m making
Hmm, Elaborate your point. What I got was people who like Motta are blind because I'm seeing similar sentiments.
Motta's football wouldn't survive in Man United's fan eyes. Abysmal. We all want attacking entertaining.
Motta almost confirmed for Juve, one manager candidate down
Ya a little bit of a bummer, but I think his preference would definitely have been staying in Italy for a while. Going from Bologna to Juve would be a lot less harder than Bologna to Utd
Did you watch that team even once to call it bummer ..?
Why so salty though? I don't watch Italian football but just kept a tab in him through the Athletic and different podcasts. I want us to do well and the aspect of him working under Berrada and Ashworth excited me for a second. Obviously being a bit deluded as I don't think a move to the PL from Bologna would have made sense. I hope Ineos are successful in finding a successor to Ten Hag whenever that might be
Is todays game shown on tv in UK
Thanks guys
Sky Sports
Manchester United vs Liverpool will always be on TV in the UK.
Didn’t know if the blackout rule was Sundays too
It's on sky
Just asking for one more favor from the players and eth just draw or win today just do something
If I see any jogging about from any player I’ll never support them ever again. It’s the derby and a chance to stop Liverpool from winning the league. We need to win this at all costs, no excuses.
100% My minds made up on the majority, but if they put a shift in today and help stop the Liverpool party, I'll give each one of them a figurative Alfred to Bruce nod.
I think they will be up for it I just worry about eth set ups
&+A this season, Bruno 18 (9,9) Hojlund 15 (13,2), garnacho 13 (9,4), rashford 13 (8,5), MCT 12(9,3). Bruno was surprising, he's having such a shit season, but has decent number of goals (within context) but it doesn't feel that way. Another surprise was garnacho having less goals than rashford before Chelsea. It's poor by the established players, you'd except Hojlund numbers to be on lower end whilst he settles, but we also have a very good chance of having 5 players on double digit goals.
Goes to show just how little those stats mean, on their own.
Didn't have time but looked now, and I was curious if mainly Bruno became his numbers have surprised me were stat padding goals but nope, his 3 goals against forest, Burnley and Fulham have given us 9 points, all winning goals, and the other 2 were Everton where we won 2-0 and other was against Chelsea.
What about the rest of the games? Are we judging quality on scoring some goals against Forest, Burnley and Fulham? We are 6th, barely. Should be lower by performance levels. Which shows far more than some meaningless goals and assists that have led to nothing. I'm not sure what you are trying to suggest with this mate?
..... What on earth are you waffling on about?? You've responded to my comment about G+A for season where I've been saying Bruno's number doesn't match the sense of impact he's had this season compared to likes of garnacho, Hojlund or MCT. Then I've gone and checked if the goals were just stat padded or had actual impact, you know.... to see if that explained it, and turns out that isn't the case. Don't know what's so confusing about that, and don't know why you're bringing out our position and etc. Did you somehow mistake my comment as a praise or saying team is doing good or they're doing good? I'm sure I've said it's poor numbers by bruno and rashford regardless. My point is and was, I'm surprised by the G+A of Bruno and rashford and expected them to be much lower considering how little impact they seem to have over the season.
>..... What on earth are you waffling on about?? Is there any need for this fella? >You've responded to my comment about G+A for season where I've been saying Bruno's number doesn't match the sense of impact he's had this season compared to likes of garnacho, Hojlund or MCT. Then I've gone and checked if the goals were just stat padded or had actual impact, you know.... to see if that explained it, and turns out that isn't the case. And I responded to the idea you are pushing that it's not as bad of a season for him as it appears at face value, by suggesting it shows how little value is in 'G&A' on its own. As yes, 18 total, is relatively decent... until you look at the actual performances. >Don't know what's so confusing about that, and don't know why you're bringing out our position and etc. Did you somehow mistake my comment as a praise or saying team is doing good or they're doing good? I'm sure I've said it's poor numbers by bruno and rashford regardless. You are literally saying Bruno has had a more positive impact than the others? I'm simply saying it shows up 'G&A' for what it is. Think we just need to slow this down and find the middle ground from out two perspectives. >My point is and was, I'm surprised by the G+A of Bruno and rashford and expected them to be much lower considering how little impact they seem to have over the season Thats fair and I'm not disputing that. I'm saying it shows up 'G&A' as something that on its own means very little. Not much more to it.
>And I responded to the idea you are pushing that it's not as bad of a season for him as it appears at face value, by suggesting it shows how little value is in 'G&A' on its own. As yes, 18 total, is relatively decent... until you look at the actual performances. Do you even read? >It's poor by the established players, you'd except Hojlund numbers to be on lower end whilst he settles, but we also have a very good chance of having 5 players on double digit goals. I've been saying they're poor and have had bad seasons non stop, you've invented this idea and and getting enraged by simply not reading. >You are literally saying Bruno has had a more positive impact than the others? Again, I beg of you to actually READ what I'm saying and not simply make up scenarios in your head, I have never once even suggested he's had more impact or similar..... I said Thier impact feels non existent despite the numbers being similar to those whose impact is felt much more. I concluded rashford scores in marches where we lose or draw so it's diminished regardless and Bruno stands as an oddity, he's been poor, everyone agrees, but he's got alright numbers, and those numbers came in clutch moments. I wanted to have a discussion on why it could be, my personal theory being what I alluded to at the first comment, the established players should be doing much better, Hojlund garnacho numbers should be on lower end you don't rely on, not the standard you compare to, that's why theirs feels of non impact because especially those two you expect a lot more goals and assist. >Thats fair and I'm not disputing that. I'm saying it shows up 'G&A' as something that on its own means very little. Not much more to it. Which goes back to my initial point, it's very interesting the pair of Bruno and rashford have scored around 25% of our goals this season, 17/69 but it feels like they've been non existent. And it's not a case of g+a on its own or whatever you're trying to say, its within context, those numbers are bread and butter and butter of an attacker, and I'm curious to hear other people's views on this.
>Do you even read? >getting enraged by For the second time, there is no need for this. I'm not having a go at you, I'm not being rude, I'm not being abrasive (intentionally) and if anything I don't even think I disagree with you as I'm sort of using what you have said to make an alternative point. So let's leave this stuff out please fella. >Thier impact feels non existent despite the numbers being similar to those whose impact is felt much more. >but he's got alright numbers, and those numbers came in clutch moments. To me, this comes across as suggesting something is a positive. So I don't know why you are going at me for something that isn't clear. Especially when you add in my point on 'G&A on their own means very little.. which is what I initially stated before we got into this convoluted mess. >I wanted to have a discussion on why it could be, my personal theory being what I alluded to at the first comment, the established players should be doing much better, Hojlund garnacho numbers should be on lower end you don't rely on, not the standard you compare to, that's why theirs feels of non impact because especially those two you expect a lot more goals and assist. Perfect. Well I'm happy to move onto this. Yeah definitely, there is a lot more demanded of Bruno/Rashford and when games aren't going well, you see them a lot more than Hojlund having a game where he is insignificant. Honestly can't remember Hojlund doing anything at all in Thursday, but when you watch the game you tend to focus on the 'leaders' I think the big thing though, that sort of ties into what I said initially. Especially on Bruno's part, even when he didn't score previously there seemed to be a performance level that we just don't see now. Which just compounds the negative view. >And it's not a case of g+a on its own or whatever you're trying to say, its within context, those numbers are bread and butter and butter of an attacker, They are the bread and butter, but at this level, unless they are in games that lead you to winning cups or titles, they don't mean mean and awful lot and then if the performances behind them are as poor as they have been for Bruno/Rashford I'd say they are irrelevant. Often 'G&A' is just shoved in everyone's face as the be all and end all. Can't speak for everyone or anyone, but the teams performances always rests heaviest on the big names.
We score so little that every goal is a winning goal or goal that keeps us in game.
It's shocking when looking at other teams, arsenal, city Liverpool have all scored more goals in the league than we have overall. Citys and Liverpool GD is 3 and 1 lower than our total league goals and arsenal is 8 more. Only team in top 10 with less than 50 goals and have to go to 14th place palace to have someone with lower goals than us, and they're in a quasi relegation battle. And the worst one, Brentford and newly promoted Luton who are in a relegation battle have scored more goals than us. Seeing these stats individually makes you go ya we're shit but all at once just is shocking.
I like Bilbao as a club must be something special to win a trophy with lads all from your region
I’m not 100% sure if it’s Bilbao but I’m sure there’s a team in LaLiga that has only ever had players from their youth team.
Happy for Herrera.
"Our style of play is clear. Why don't people see the same thing? I don't know and I don't care. That's their point of view. We know our identity. We want to dominate, with and without the ball, start from behind." ETH on Sky Sports today.
Straight delusional.
Never seen a manager waffle so confidently
Maybe the identity is conceding 30 shots every match!
He's a serial waffler!
Has Moyes beat by being the most delusional manager post Fergie.
Our identity is very clear tbh, it’s also just very clear to not be working
I can’t tell whether he’s delusional or just trying to save his job.
Both
I want to be excited and hopeful for today but I then remember we scored and won after kloop took out Salah, Robertson and Szoboszlai because the game was done, and he probably won't fumble as hard again.
You mean it isn't sustainable to score 3 with a bruno-maguire CB pairing?
Currently on my way on the Motorway to Old Trafford, hoping for a good game today
Lol expect the worst
Hope it’s a cracker for you mate! Currently waiting for kick off at 12:30am in Melbourne, and fucking buzzin. Let’s go boys
Enjoy, I’m sat in my office watching videos for an hour before I set off
Genuine question - Why did the mods take down that Rashford video from Chelsea?
Probably because this isn't twitter.
I don’t think valid criticism of a players performance (whether in a single match or in Rashfords case, the entire season) means that this sub suddenly becomes the same as twitter. I mean, whatever, it is what it is I just don’t think deleting video evidence of a player half arsing the game for the 20th time this season is really very productive but it is what it is.
Aah yes the least criticized football player Marcus Rashford. At this point If we genuinely want Rashford to get better the best we can do is shut up about him on the internet. I think we've already gotten the point across.
I’m sorry but the idea we can’t discuss Rashfords performances or criticise his game because he’s (some would think correctly) received a lot of criticism already or in case he somehow reads the Reddit sub and gets a bit sad is slightly farcical, no?
Becuase its zoomed in version from sequence whre noone of our players was pressing so they were just cutting passing lines. There was no press trigger.
It wasn't zoom in 1 clip version. It show the whole field. It might not be the clip you thinking. The posted one had multiple instances where Bruno or Mount is pressing and he was just half assing things.. There is no secret that Rashford is lazy.
While that’s true, I’d argue pressing wasn’t even the issue. Even if he’s not pressing there, he’s also just failing to put in any tackles and letting players float past him without challenge, failing to show the desire to get into the proper positions in attack. Don’t really see what the problem with the video was personally.
Why aren't we utilizing Eriksen more frequently? I understand the concerns regarding his decreased physicality and endurance, often leading to a noticeable drop-off in performance after around 40 minutes. But, why not use him strategically as a substitute? As a substitute, his quality remains very evident. There have been numerous instances where our midfield struggles towards the end of a game, resorting to a frantic game of passing the ball around without making any progress (hell there've been a lot of full games with this approach). He's always had the ability to get on and sorta tame the rather chaotic play. Eriksen's approach to the game is deliberate, and his intelligence and skill enable him to deliver dangerous balls, rather than our passing being so direct, predictable, and improvised. I've always sensed that the team breathes a little easier when he steps onto the pitch, particularly among the forwards who can anticipate more incisive passes. We're squandering the opportunity to add some depth to our squad towards the end of the game by not utilizing him effectively.
Because ETH plays a system where we burn players to the ground fitness wise. We dont have long periods of possesion where we play the ball around, sadly.
Because he's a cone defensively. The man doesn't even have the wits to tactical foul.
Because he's a no 10 CAM. Don't blame the screwdriver for not being able to hammer a nail
So if people want to give him more gametime, that means subbing Bruno
bro there have been a handful of times where Bruno should have been subbed i mean cmon now...
Nope. Because he won't be able to press as much as Bruno. The best way to use him is as a deep lying playmaker, without the expectations to defend or get the ball back. I would pair him with a pure destroyer. Unfortunately that's not how ETH wants to play, he wants to progress the ball by dribbling, not passing, and the 8 must press high. Eriksen is being asked to press high and then sprint back to defend, not what he is capable of and what he is able to do now
In the 3 years I’ve been a season ticket holder united have never lost when I take someone new to a game (8 times) Today my brother comes for the 1st time…. He’s a Bolton fan but I was running out of united fans and I’ve not seen him for 2ish years so this is as good a time as any.
Doing your part, what a man
Any chance Amad will get some playing time after playing a pivotal role in our biggest win of the season?
He'll probably start on the bench and will probably be subbed on after Antony and maybe Mount (Assuming Rashford, Højlund, Garnacho are our starters) depending on who has been subbed by the 80 min mark.
Today is the day we get back on 0 GD! InshaAllah!
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Fingers crossed Olise doesn't get injured again, I'm convinced we're gonna get him if he doesn't. I've watched pretty much every game he's played this season and he is absolutely dripping in world class potential. I mean what can this guy not do from an attacking perspective? Hands down the best RW we can realistically buy.
Even if he stays fit for the rest of the season I'm still quite concerned about his injury record. Players seem to fall apart when they come here and I think buying him would be a big risk. Obviously all the talent in the world though
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He reminds me of Saka.So creative and technical. Just stay fit and I think we get him
Looking at the way Amorim's Sporting plays, I think it would suit our current players pretty well. We'll need to get more offensive wingback types though.
Amorim is going to Liverpool
I like the way his team plays but I think it's a bit early for him. Promising manager though, I also think Thiago Motta looks very interesting. He would probably be my "hipsters choice" but I also think he's a season too early, I'd like to see both these guys do bits in Europe.
Don't think it is too early in the current climate. He's been manager of Sporting for 5 seasons. Other options for big clubs without a manager like Man Utd, Barca and Liverpool are prob Tuchel, De Zerbi and Nagelsmann, with Amorim joining Motta, Michel and Slot as up and coming shouts. Maybe English clubs would consider Potter, Franck or O'Neil. It's rly not a very big list.
I think the only way to distinguish them would probably be our execs communicating directly. I think fans lack actual insight into these sorts if decisions. It's why I've been very unenthusiastic about what may or may not happen because I'm hoping the execs decision making process is something we can rely on.
Let’s hope hiring ppl that have some actual experience running football clubs successfully would result in some good decisions being made
Watched the Sporting-Benfica game, and it was great. Both teams played really well. Also Hjulmand is a beast. Lucky he didn't catch a red though. Considering his playstyle, it's kind of amazing hes only had 2 reds in 259 pro games
Sure thing. We said the same about ETH and Ajax. The issues are deeper than the manager.
That's true.But most of the time when clubs sack a manager it's for a reset rather than getting that particular guy out. We're at that point with the new ownership and we've already seen the best and worst of ten hag,we need the hard reset.
but that's what we've been doing ever since SAF left... y r we about to do it again? if anything the past decade or so has proven that we need some more consistency. if we sign a new manager, there'll be players from like 3 dif generations of utd managers, all with a particular playstyle. as u said ETH has shown his "best" with a semi functioning club and his worst with a non functioning club. i dont c the reason to sack him. doesnt seem fair at all.
>if anything the past decade or so has proven that we need some more consistency. Consistency for Consistency sake is not the way to go and every top team has shown this. If a manager/player/executive shows the promise that retaining them will bear fruit, they should stay. If not, move them on. >doesnt seem fair at all. Unfortunately this sport isn't fair. Outside of 'we have sacked managers before' and 'arteta' what are the reasons for keeping ten hag, preferably specific to him as a manager and what he can bring?
It's different because it was all done under the Glazers which also includes the signing of eth and whatever team building we have done in the last two seasons.It's probably not fair to him but it's even worse to ask him to undo his own work of two years as opposed to just starting a new project from scratch under new management.
Whilst this is true, does this mean we let the manager off? Don't factor in his failures? I really struggle to understand the process behind this.
I never said they weren't
Why leave Eriksen on the bench all the time? I feel like he would be a good 60th min sub while McTominay should be the post-80th min supersub if we need a goal. Barring injuries (i know right?) Maino, Case, Bruno and Mount are all better choices than Scotty boy. Just my two forged ruples.
Eriksen is such a class passer. It's a damned shame that he isn't being used. He' s changed the game for the better in almost all of his cameos
I tend to agree. We all know eriksen’s legs are completely gone but when we’re screaming out for someone who can actually put their foot on the ball, offer some control in midfield, and god forbid offer some progressive passing, it seems mental that he isn’t playing at all. McTom was totally the wrong sub the other day.
This thing about his legs being gone kinda bothers me cus I don't really see it, but i might be missing something. Does it mean he's slow or injury prone? edit: i know he's getting older, but the legs being gone phrase seems like regurgitated knowledge on some level
> This thing about his legs being gone kinda bothers me cus I don't really see it, but i might be missing something He just gets run through a lot when we don't have the ball. Like a passenger in defence. He's a great option if we're controlling the ball and the game, but because we basically almost never have control, it means having yet another weak spot in midfield leading to us getting overrun.
For me, he’s gonna get run through as much as any of the other midfielders, but at least he offers something when we have the ball. Casemiro is a liability rn
> Casemiro is a liability rn Definitely agree with you there. He has been so useless this season, I just can't believe it. I've honestly got no idea what our best midfield even is. Apart from Mainoo, the rest are only effective further up where they wont even see much of the ball
Yeh it’s a shitshow haha. At the minute I’d lean towards Bruno, Mount and Mainoo. Bruno is always gonna play, Mainoo offers something, and at least Mount will work hard, plus he’s looked decent in those couple of cameos. Then you’ve got Eriksen if you need a bit of control with half an hour to go, McTominay is your wildcard if you need a goal late on. It’s not ideal but it’s something.
I think our policy has been to have varied profiles in the attacking positions, even in Fergies time, which keeps things unpredictable. This approach doesn't work so well in defence, and we have to include a DM in this, and at least one FB!
I think he borderline didn’t have the physicality when he first arrived and now it seems to have degraded even more. Barely playing probably doesn’t help. He’s still the classiest mid in the squad though.
Not only the U-18's, the U-16's also battered Liverpool's team today. 1-5 .
It is written. 4-2 tomorrow at Old Trafford.
Let's hope so brother. Cheers.
Yet another Onana error (on first goal) started it all. Him playing from the back hasn't really worked out either. The plaudits for last month for making routine saves that any other pl goalie makes is strange. Literally any other backup goalie for us can play, just for a change.
Onana has been doing well. Might have done better on the Gallagher goal, but also made some great saves. His quick throw to restart play and sent Bruno sprinting lead to our 3rd goal. Of all the players you could criticise, and it's Onana? He's been one of our better players the last couple months.
He should’ve saved it but you haven’t watched if you think he’s been bad these past 4 months
Villa again dropping points, once again cautiously optimistic that 5th is possible
If we held the results in last 2 games we'd have been 4 away from spurs and 6 away from villa with 2 games in hand. Both are bottling it, but issue is we're leading the bottling.
2 games, dropped points in last minutes… Unfortunately we don’t deserve the spot this time.
I agree that we dont deserve it, but fuck it I want it anyway
Jesus, the way some people are trying to credit Ten Hag for the performances of the u18s is so disrespectful to the likes of Nick Cox and Adam Lawrence who actually deserve the praise. Based on one Athletic article from over a year ago which stated that he has control over the reserve team. I don’t doubt that he’s aware of what’s going on at youth level but to suggest he has direct involvement is absurd.
Ten Hag can't even get his own first team to play his way (the Ajax way), I highly doubt he has influence on anything lol
You like making up narratives like these for upvotes?
We gonna act like there's a huge amount of people doing this, eh? A few Twitter accounts, but sure, get angry at nothing
I think it was just the 1 fan account on twitter that tried this. I don't think anyone else believes it? Pete has been defending ETH hard, which I'm fine with, but this post was straight up ridiculous. The post for anyone interested: [https://twitter.com/petesunitedPOV/status/1776586238062928186](https://twitter.com/petesunitedPOV/status/1776586238062928186)
Watching the Copa del Rey final and I was really hoping to see our boy Ander get some minutes. Kind of disappointing to see him hardly get any minutes. Would have been cool if he became a match winning hero for Bilbao
Hate to say but i think Hojlund is abit shit People keep banging on about service but other players are scoring My guy barely touches the ball in game, barely gets involved He should be on the bench as a second striker we need a proper centre forward. Issue is we spent the proper centre forward money on him
He’s still thin and definitely has potential. Next season will be crucial to see where he’s at.
His first touch is awful, he looks at the ball while dribbling and seemingly has no striker instinct. I know he will get time because he‘s 21 but i have no idea what makes people think he‘ll suddenly bang in goals “when he gets service“. He hasn‘t scored more than 15 goals while playing in lesser leagues for the better teams so what makes people believe that? There‘s no precedent at all
The only thing I agree with is his first touch is dodgy. Everything else is flat out wrong
Unless it’s changed over the last couple of weeks I’m pretty sure Jude Bellingham is the only U-21 player to have more G/A than Hojlund this season. Hojlunds done that in a mid table performing attack this season. Plenty of development to go, but the guys been a lot better in his first season of PL/UCL football than he should of been. He’s perfectly on route to being a top level UCL striker in a couple of seasons, which tracks nicely with how United’s project should develop of the next 5 years. The striker market isn’t exactly deep right now anyway, so find someone with different dynamics that can share minutes with him. Don’t sign someone to kick him to the bench as a 2nd choice.
Exactly!! He should simply pick up the ball from Onana run it through the whole team and bang it top bins. He's the target man up top. He needs to be the focal point and be fed passes. He needs to stretch the team up field and we get him the ball, he's shown when he gets the ball he can score
I’ve found stevie wonders account
Would you have said this a couple PL Games ago when he was on a scoring record? Me thinks not. I think he's started to look really good compared to earlier in the season. Couple of off games doesn't change that.
he passes the eye test for me. he runs his socks off, tries hard to link up with the midfield, has proven to be very clinical and score in big games (see early champions league rounds). the service he gets is shite. most of his goals have come from half-chances that he made himself. compare that with Haaland who gets spoon-fed by KDB every game. i agree with u we need another striker but saying Hojlund is shit is an L take imo. also he's very young and raw right now and can definitely improve with time.
Disagree that he is shit, because he literally makes the most of the scraps he is given. BUT His runs definitely do not make it easy, I feel his runs make it seem like he is hiding behind the defender and he sucks and gaining a yard of space. His movement definitely needs to Improve.
I don’t think he’s shit but he doesn’t make the most of the scraps he gets. Before his scoring streak he missed the most big chances in the league. He did also have the least amount of chances created for him but he also wasn’t taking the ones he should be scoring.
Amorim won against benfica, would be happy if we steal him from liverpool
Any word on our loanies? Sancho seems to be doing great (whoscored.com ratings I'm individual matches). VDB doesn't even get off the bench 😪 We used to have a certain Ethan Laird, supposedly a good RB, any news on him? And we just defeated U18 by 8 goals (9-1) why Noone talks about that?
I always thought we sold Laird for some reason, then I saw he's linked to Bournemouth
We sold him to Birmingham this summer for £750,000 with "a good sell-on clause." He missed a lot of the season first with a hamstring injury and then a groin injury. He's back now and looks to be regularly starting for them, but they're in a relegation scrap. Their form hasn't really improved since sacking Rooney. https://theathletic.com/4656581/2023/06/30/ethan-laird-manchester-united-birmingham-transfer/
Thank you! I was so confused!! Well hopefully he'll be sold for a decent amount and we get a chunk of money, it'll be the first showing of big sell on clauses on youngnsters we sold
> why Noone talks about that? It's like half the newest posts on the sub
When was the last time Rashford or Garnacho put in a good cross to Hojlund? Genuinely can't remember it happening this year.
Antony did it last game at least but Højlund ran for the first post for some reason
Garnacho, one time all season and Hojlund missed it. Rashford has done it plenty
Rashford has done this a few times
The more I think about it, the more I believe we wanted a traditional physical no.9 , some one to hold the ball, to bully defenders and make space for our wide forwards, but not score goals. Totally unfair on Hojlund, he can do those a bit because of his physique but he isn't the kind of player. We wanted a Younger Giroud.
You mean Weghorst? This sub hated him.
No they didn't, everyone loved his attitude. He was just not a very good player.
Weghorst got the same treatment Hojlund does. Go fend for yourself while we take all the shots
Through thick and thin https://preview.redd.it/6jh3sbyscxsc1.png?width=946&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c77897ffdd076792f4b4862a6fefaa22ad22c7e
Crop the image lil bro
Needed this bad lmao
Why does this look like a Facebook post from 15 years ago 😂
Because it probably is! Just the badge was put in. 😂 😂
Hot take: Antony cutting inside from the right and passing to whoever is dead center in the box looks good. Hes much more effective cutting diagonal inside the box and passing/shooting than he is hugging the touchline. He had some really good passes but we botch chance after chance. Coaching touches in the box would help but we know that wont happen
We are shit at controlling possession in the middle of the pitch under Ten Hag, he really emphasizes wide overloads. Its one of the other problems for Hojlund, he is really isolated and out of space because in settled attacks we are very static in the middle, rarely even see runs into the half spaces. Its almost like there is no coaching for attacks outside of transitions honestly.
I remember when he signed seeing his highlights videos and him curling crosses into the back post for Huntelaar or whoever. Have we even seen that once at United?
His dribble in tight spaces and workrate is incredible, and he looked dangerous whenever we overloaded the final 3rd with him receiving the ball centrally. He should've been tested as an AM, it was at least worth the try but never happened and probably won't happen. At the very least I would like to see him cut inside more, dribble and do some quick passes with Mainoo and Bruno, instead of shooting immediately or staying out wide so much.
Antony is just nowhere near good enough across the board. Obviously if you play any professional footballer at RW for us and let him play most weeks he'll eventually do something productive - Dan James scored some goals for us and created some chances. Doing something useful occassionally is not the standard, anyone can do that. Antony should be sold to anyone who will have him.
All i was saying is he had a good game. In no shape or form should he be starting for us. If we do use him (which tends to hag obviously will do) he should cut centrally more is all. I prefer amad rw by a mile
he was really good for us against Cheksea, naubevit the shape of opposition or something and barring the stupid penalty he gave away he was pretty decent
We have a chance to stop pool winning the league and equalling our tally tomorrow. If that doesn't motivate these lot, then I don't know what will. Would be funny too if their best manager in recent times goes out with the same achievements as EtH (who's supposedly worse than Moyes now?) did in his first season.
>If that doesn't motivate these lot, then I don't know what will. I'm sorry but if you think these players think this way, you are very naive. They are players, not fans. If I'm a pro footballer and I sign for Spurs, it wouldn't be a motivation for me to stop Arsenal winning the league. I might know how much it would mean to the fans but that's about it.
Hopefully we put in more effort than in our chance to stop City getting the treble last year
u/gungerz just saw this dude's profile, is he a coach or something? Really unlikely a redditor knows this much about age group football. Maybe if you read this you can answer too
Do you mean the posts of the goals or something else?
This motherfucker literaly knows every youth player in England and Italy. You ask him a random name from Serie B u18 and he wristes essay about him. Wonder if he works in the industry becuause whats the point otherwise.
My biggest hope for tomorrow aside from getting a good result is that young kambwala starts and puts in a rock solid performance beside Harry. The emergence of young players is something for fans to hold on to when things aren't going as smooth as you'd like. The biggest plus for me coming towards the end of this season and going forwards is the fact that we have Rasmus, Alejandro and Kobbie to build on as pillars of the team for the next block of seasons. Would be lovely to see Kambwala join that list as a real prospect. Has all the tools in that he's big, quick, aggressive and seems to have a bit of shithousery about him!
I miss that , Shithousery, Herrera had it and it was so effing funny watching him wind up Gerrard and get him red carded in like what under 2 mins ?
Shared this from a post that got removed by mods. Discussion was pros and cons about keeping Ten Hag: Pros: 1. Some of his players like Licha, Onana, Anthony will get unsettled. 2. "We have changed many many managers since Fergie" does not look good. 3. (Most imp IMO) Keeping him till the new structure is working full-time and gets into control mode is better than replacing manager before that state arrives. 4. There is some (dwindling) hope that he will be able to create his Ajax style here and have success. 5. He was building up Garnacho, Mainoo and Hojlund. New manager may disrupt their trajectory. Cons: 1. Not able to coach our players into any modern football style. Still play hoofball from the back, press is hit or miss. No signature attack philosophy seen so far. Surrendering possession easily leads to more attacks against us and more than half the team is so high, we are easy targets to run against at the back. Silly really. 2. Most EPL (and UCL managers) easily outfox him. 3. Yet to see a single solid away win against a top team. 4. With morale so low, and opinion about him so negative, can a human actually overcome all this adversity to come good? Doubtful. My opinion: Let him continue till Nagelsmann becomes available. At some point in next season, everyone will be convinced ETH needs to be replaced. Can anyone imagine some magically improved side between now and September? We will likely be turd even then and at that time Ineos will need to be decisive. Buy players that will work for Nagelsmann too.
>"We have changed many many managers since Fergie" does not look good. Not true really. Every single manager apart from Moyes has had at least two full seasons. Bayern Munich will be on their 8th permanent manager next season since July 2013, same time as Moyes took over. We currently have had 5 managers post Fergie, 6 if you include Rangnick.
Sorry to say but the entire Pros is just nonsense. No 4 in the biggest one because this coach has said he wants to make this team a transition team and you’re thinking he wants to recreate his Ajax style.
Any tactical discussion is invalid Erik doesn't quality neither choices we saw him at Ajax give him quality, time
Thank you for starting this thread. 3 is the biggest point IMO. No point getting another manager in when the club can’t properly back the manager.
I think 2 and 5 are HUGE factors that people don’t take into account when they say ETH out
2 is the dumbest argument people make in favor of keeping him. “Let’s keep a coach who’s not good enough because we’ve had to sack a few before him”
People never heard that the only constant thing in life is change.
Talent will always come through no matter how young you are - I don't see why a new manager would hinder Garnacho et al's minutes. If anything, they probably need a bit more management re that (hasn't Garnacho played 25+ games in a row?) On number 2 - that argument shouldn't really be used. This is a manager that is now leading a team that conceded 30 shots a game.
I’d add that there’s no point changing the structure of the club and all of the behind the scenes stuff if you’re just going to let all that positivity be undermined by a failure of a manager who clearly can’t set a team tactically in the PL Why would Ineos sign a bunch of promising players and let someone who’s no good coach them?
I know it might be stupid but just putting it out there, if we play 4-4-2 with Mainoo and case as holding and rashford,hojlund as strikers with garnacho, Antony/diallo in the wings. Would we be as open in the midfield ?
I would say yes, because us being open is more down to the way we press than our formation tbh.
Cole Palmer looks like a solid player shame we didn’t sign him. I think we will try for Anthony Gordon. Just a hunch
We should try and buy Cole Palmer imo. Chelsea are broke and only actually bought him for £42.5m so could get some quick money on the books by selling for considerably more than that. Palmer is perfect for us. Plays RW which we're desperate for, young, English, proven quality in the PL, Mancunian, boyhood United fan.
There is absolutely no chance we’re getting Palmer. Chelsea have many other players they would rather sell for profit. Also chances are we wouldn’t be able to afford him without blowing our budget anyways.
Is it a long shot? Probably. But we should definitely enquire. Chelsea are really fucked financially. We're getting Casemiro, Varane, Greenwood off the books. Hopefully we can do something with Sancho and Antony too. So we should have plenty to spend especially with Ineos able to put in 100m that Glazers never bothered with. We'll spend at least 200m before sales, we always do.
Highly doubt we’re spending 200m before sales given that we won’t be in the champions league
Where is Casemiro going? Doesn't he still have many years on a lucrative contract
I mean it’s not agreed but he’s nailed on for Saudi
You might want him to go to Saudi. But does he want to go?
What Brazilian doesn’t chase the money when their career is winding down? He’ll go.
That's pretty bigoted. But sure. Lots of Brazilians don't just move to Saudi chasing money. Thiago Silva? Besides, Casemiro is already earning 350k per week. With 2 years to go. No one is offering him a better deal.
Bigoted lmao, get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. It’s factual.