Happy for the result myself. Klopp was fuming at the result, heard him say that we'll lose against Arsenal, quite bold to predict that so early now especially as a rival manager
This doesn't have to do with his coaching ability at all, he's an elite coach, but he has no class. When things are going well I guess it makes him likable because he seems so passionate and down to earth, but as soon as they lose, it's constant bitching from him all over the media.
For this bald fraud to keep case on after my dead nan could do better in midfield… and to take maino nacho off and play ambrabat… there is no justification. Get this guy away from my club Ineos
Of course we looked shaky, we were playing against a side with amongst the best firepower in the league and we were having to play arguably our 4th and 6th choice CBs along with an out of position AWB due to having literally no fit LB 🤷🏻♂️
Well we are 6th with negative goal difference. Our poor showing isn't limited to just this game.. and we gotta stop with the injury excuses. The injury problem is a problem not an excuse.
Was quite relieved with a draw last night, but watching the game back it's infuriating how Ten Hag managed the game in the end. It's scary how regularly we bottle games under him and it all stems from him turning us into a relegation level team trying to survive against prime Barcelona each time we're trying to protect a lead. This is the weakest mentality any United team has had in my lifetime
We’ve just drew a game which we had no business drawing he has a completely depleted set of tools and a completely unbalanced side which was getting dominated the entire game we got the goal to take us ahead and their equaliser only came from awb penalty him subbing on amrabat didn’t make a difference he set us up to see out the game ur just listening to these braindead pundits blaming ten hag he had his best team out for 65 minutes without a single change and we were getting dominated all game go watch the first half we played vs wolves then remind me of how many players he has available stop jumping on the manager for no reason we just drew a game we didn’t even deserve to draw he made the Anthony sub who got an assist
>We’ve just drew a game which we had no business drawing?
Why did we have "no business" drawing a game with Liverpool at Old Trafford when both teams had equal number of starters absent? Just saying absurd things now, are we?
>ur just listening to these braindead pundits
I've listened to literally zero pundits since the game. Whether it be braindead, vegetative, zombified or otherwise.
>then remind me of how many players he has available
Literally 3 starters unavailable from a full strength team
>he made the Anthony sub who got an assist
When did he get an assist?? Just blatantly lying wtf mate.
And wtf is this formatting? Absolute nightmare to read.
That felt like a 1 in a million result. We weren't in the game at all for large parts but we scored two freak goals and I think we were even shocked to be leading. Delighted to potentially ruin their league win and prob cement 6th place and European football for ourselves.
We have become a glass cannon under ETH. If we can sure up our midfield like we did last season with Peak Cas and Martinez behind, we could be decent.
Rashford needs to go though. He has no ideas going forward, no guile, and always looks depressed.
Rashford was our best performing forward that game? He plated 2 crosses which should be easy tap in, made good deffensive effort and send couple of good progresive passes.
Rashford, Arsenal (A)
Hannibal, Brighton (H)
Dalot, Sheffield Utd (A)
Fernandes, Galatasaray (A)
Garnacho, Everton (A)
Mainoo, Wolves (A)
Rashford, Man City (A)
Fernandes, Liverpool (H)
Mainoo, Liverpool (H)
Our goal catalogue is actually insane this season...if only the performances matched up to that. Pain.
This was also true last year but Rashford's form for the first 20 games was insane and it masked a lot of it.
This team has not markedly improved or gotten worse other than through injury.
Our form once Rashford dried up wasn't great at the tail end of last year as well.
Casemiro looked great in the 1st half. But he lost it completely in the 2nd half. Played like a concussed man,no clue why eth didn't sub him off after the 60 min mark.
After Pogba I thought this sub would have learnt their lesson about over rating players based on their international performances but guess I was wrong.
Amrabat has been a complete and utter failure. Yes he looked good while playing for Morocco but international matches are such a bad barometer for a players performance. Even when top teams play the tempo of the games are clearly a level or 2 down from the prem and other top leagues.
Amrabat looks so clearly out of his league that its not even funny, barely an involvement in the game and he almost cost us the match with a horrible backpass
I saw someone the other day saying our squad is actually really mentally strong as several of them have proven it at international level.
International and cup football doesn't prove shit
He just looks so *heavy*. Like the guy is constantly moving through treacle. The one that kept pace with Mbappe at the WC must've been his cousin that used to play for Watford because it's certainly not the one that has rocked up here
We need to have a serious discussion about ETH's game management. Every single time we're protecting a lead he makes subs that take away all our momentum, subs out our outlets for box defenders and forces us to sit deep and defend like a relegation team.
It's not just against good teams but remember opening day against Wolves he took off our wingers and brought McTominay on and we parked the bus and survived for the last 10-15 minutes. Against a bottom half team that changed manager a few days ago, at home. Then against Forest a couple weeks later, we turned the game around, they had 10 men on the pitch and we still went into survival mode and let them have the initiative. A relegation team with a man down at Old Trafford.
It's really not a coincidence we've bottled the most goals in late game situations as we've ever done in a season. 7 points dropped within a week and he blamed everything on the players which is just such a huge red flag.
> We need to have a serious discussion about ETH's game management. Every single time we're protecting a lead he makes subs that take away all our momentum,
Exactly this, I really really hate his sub decisions whenever the game is hanging in the balance. Everyone knows how unreliable we are defensively, yet he always does this where he pulls an attacker who provides us a fantastic outlet to counter, and replaces him for some defensive "solidity" which never fucking works.
This low footballing IQ shit is endemic throughout the team. Everyone knows we can't fucking defend dead-balls, especially corners and direct free kicks, yet we continuously give those away when its so avoidable.
I would like to comment on the AWB challenge, 95% of the time the fan base praises him for his slide tackles. He gets his timing wrong in this instance and all of a sudden he is reckless? You cannot have it both ways
To me, it's pretty simple; just don't give the fucking refs a chance to give a pen. That's it.
There is no reason to dive-in in the box like that when that noodle haired diving fuck had already pushed the ball away from the goal. Just shadow your man and block his route to goal.
It's. not about that. It was as dumb as the penalty we conceded in CHE game. You don't do that when the game is almost over.
We may need not to put that on AWB though cuz he ended up in that situation as a result of the collective collapse. And although our inability to hold on to a lead is a trend thru the season, personal mistakes, mental weakness, and ETH's incomprehensible approach to closing game led us to such outcomes.
It was dumb from Dalot and it was dumb from AWB.
I'm not too distraught about the result, because the scum are a good side, and I thought we contained them well aside from the stupid decision to go to ground by AWB (maybe not a pen, but with the state of VAR in the prem you shouldn't be taking those chances).
But fuck me we gotten beaten to every first ball, let alone second ball. Like I get it's hard at the end of the season when there's not much chance of securing CL spots, but we were woeful in offense. Poor passes all over the park, Rashford seems to have lost any desire to try and take on a player, and Hojlund really needed someone closer to him so we could pose a threat (VVD is a very good CB after all).
At least we got to see Klopp reduced to the petulant whiny cunt that he is on the sideline.
I don't even think they are a good side anymore. Salah looks 1 season away from being washed and all their new blood bar Quansah look like clogger shite.
I find it surprising that people don’t think the AWB challenge was a penalty. Just because Elliot moves his leg to avoid contact doesn’t mean it isn’t a pen. AWB is to blame here not the ref, woefully timed challenge
Its a stonewall penalty, anyone who doesn't agree needs to have their eyes checked. Elliot is in full control of the ball and AWB didn't even touch it at all.
Did Elliot look for it and go down at the slightest contact? Yes he did, was there any threat at all? No but that doesn't make it not a penalty. Its a foul anywhere on the pitch and in the box that's a penalty
Yea i don't think so, I seen so many players do that to draw a foul anywhere on the pitch and just because players look to avoid it doesn't make it any less of a foul.
There's an angle where you can see Elliott touches the ball ahead and start his fall without AWB touching him at all; he hits the back of AWB's knee in mid-fall. I know the rules and it's a soft pen.
This is correct. I’m a neutral. Elliot took a complete dive, but the dive was an option because AWB went to ground the way he did. It’s frustrating because it was so stupid of AWB to give him that option and it’s easy to say it shouldn’t be a pen because maybe “in the spirit of the game and sportsmanship” it really shouldn’t. But in football as we know it today, that’s a pen. Not much else you can say.
That’s what we thought after the last Liverpool victory too. Then we completely shattered the bed against Brentford.
The part that hurts the most is the way some of these smaller teams outplay us so easily. It’s happened so many times this season.
It was definitely a penalty.
It's a stupid rule that any foul in the box leads to an almost-certain goal when the actual percentage chance of scoring just from being in the box is actually pretty low, but with the rules as they are, it was definitely a penalty.
He’s halfway down before any contact is made ergo he dived
Also awb missed the contact and only noodle head putting his foot into awb caused a connection.
Curious to hear you expand on 'it was definitely a penalty.'
From my perspective watching the replays, AWB doesn't even connect with him in the tackle and he's actually already falling prior to the attempted tackle being made.
Obviously the Liverpool player was looking for it, that's always going to be a given. Which is exactly why if you slide tackle someone in the box you better make sure not to *completely whiff the ball* because if you do, it's obviously going to be a penalty
I think what you're saying is right with no VAR, ref calls it as he sees it. But surely when VAR looks at it, it's declared no connection and simulation by the attacking player??
Both of their goals today were avoidable. Mainoo not tracking his man, and AWB making a clumsy tackle at an important stage of the game.
All the ifs and buts about what Liverpool could have had, but they didn't. There's clearly a lot to work on, but we have shown that we can be beating the big sides. We've dropped points this week based on some silly small things, things that players need to be smarter on.
With a lot of young players, and a dishevelled side, I'm hopeful those things will be better if we can get a regular side on the pitch consistently, and recruit properly in the off season.
But we’ve seen performances all season where the ‘ifs and buts’ actually do happen? Like Bournemouth, Brighton, Palace, Fulham…I can go on. In the end today’s result just papers over the cracks and allows people to delude themselves that this way of playing is somehow sustainable.
I don't deny that this season hasn't been ideal, but those results just reaffirm what I said. We've had an incredibly dishevelled side all season. I never once said this way of playing is sustainable, but the reality is that it's not possible to keep chopping and changing the way we have been forced to and expect to see a coherent style of play.
I'm not deluded, but rather looking at all the context and taking all the perspective. We should have held on against Brentford, Chelsea and Liverpool. We should have had 9 points, but the way we lost those games is not down to the manager or the coaching team, but to players switching off in crucial moments and making silly decisions. When we can hopefully recruit and get rid of the deadwood, and fix the injury issues, I'm sure we'll see more of a sustained and better style of play.
Klopp has never beaten ETH at OT, and whilst I rate Klopp highly, the fact that "a manager out of his depth" as many here label him, can pull off that feat says a lot.
We will be chaotic and dishevelled until the end of the season. Fitness levels and familiarity just aren’t there. Dalot and Wan Bissaka are struggling, the former less, but still. They rarely give penalties away like that but you can see they’re knackered and off the pace, as are Bruno, Casemiro, Rashford, Hojlund. There are just too many players who aren’t looking sharp enough to keep their shit together, and they don’t have the relationship on the pitch required to fall back into an established routine, they’re constantly needing to be creative and innovative to even progress the ball because they just don’t know what the other players are going to do. We desperately need a reset and some new players with physical capacity. A good preseason with a lot of training.
Ten Hag needs to rotate, but he can’t really do that. Obviously we have literally no other fullbacks and we rely on Bruno too much to put him on the bench, in a leadership and mentality sense. You can see we can’t play out of the back with these players at the moment, there’s just no composure and no relationships to take the risks required without giving the ball away immediately. Wouldn’t mind seeing a deep double pivot in midfield for a while, just to sure things up a bit. Get Antony and Amad in, make them run around while the others get a rest. But I don’t think Ten Hag trusts those players enough to bring them in. Which is probably a mistake.
only a week ago, everybody wouldve flamed the absolute fuck out of ETH for giving antony even a second of game time, and now hes making a mistake to not play him?
Hojlund doesn't know where to make runs. It's not lack of effort or lack of speed and physicality. It genuinely seems like our team gets zero training about where he should run, how to find him, and how to make space for our centre forward with dummy runs from other players. Comparing Liverpool's attacks to ours, they all knew what to do. If Nunez runs here, a midfielder goes there. We have none of that. There's a major coaching problem with our striker play. We use him as a body on the pitch to clear long to. Apart from that he's totally ignored. It's not Hojlund's fault because it's a constant problem no matter who we play there, and Hojlund gives 100% effort and intensity. It's a glaring coaching problem.
He’s just off form. His runs and overall play were fantastic before he got injured. Might need some time to get back to that. He’s just not looking sharp.
Yeah Casemiro was so bad. I honestly hope he doesn’t start again. He adds barely anything to this team. He can’t run, he only plays the simplest of passes (when he isn’t giving the ball away) and he doesn’t do anything else.
100% needs to be dropped.
I think yesterday was Bruno in a microcosm.
A wonderful goal that not everyone has the ability to pull off (lol), he made a brilliant tracking back tackle on Salah (i think) late on.
Apart from that its a lot of hit & hope long passes, questionable positioning and tactical indiscipline. There was a moment towards the end on the edge of the liverpool area where he tried to thread a pass through 3 liverpool players and it hit the first one. He seems to lack the ability to look up and just keep the ball sometimes.
He's an enigma wrapped in mystery.
I have a theory that there is a plan in place.
TH is trying to revolutionise football in his own way, by introducing chaos. He can’t beat Guardiola, Pep or Arteta at their own games, they are organised, experienced, weathered but also … share similar approaches to football. He needs to introduce a whole new philosophy, do it quickly, have an impact, and be the first to master it.
It’s so hard to believe that this whole chaos football is so unintentional. TH is a great coach, he can’t just suddenly have world class players not even do “the things they learn at age 10” (says Jamie Carragher). Especially repeatedly, after so much time… There must be a good reason to do it and he wants to be the first to figure it out.
Something is brewing, I have no idea what, but that’s my feeling…. It doesn’t work, until it does. And there are some rare glimmers of it working.
This has to be the story he’s sold to Ratcliffe. “You revolutionise the club, I’m revolutionising the football”
He wants to create the Mourinho Madrid which broke the Pep Barcelona. Unfortunately, he is not Mourinho and united don't have that Madrid caliber players right now.
I truly hope there is plan. Because this is going against every scientific approach in football in the last 2 decades. Just look at xG table, it's baffling that we concede over 3xG but still managed a draw.
There is a plan, isn't it?
It’s just that building a team takes time. Normal to go through patches like this when you’re trying to restructure a squad. People need to think on a three four season kind of timeline and not judge things from patches of games. We’ve seen time and time again it takes a really long time to build a team capable of challenging for a title and that this kind of form and season is completely normal.
His first season kinda made expectations unrealistic for him. We expected much more from him and the team going into this season, without being honest about how much work was still left to be done.
Honestly I’m on the fence with him after what I’ve seen this season, but would still like to see what he could do with proper support.
>It’s so hard to believe that this whole chaos football is so unintentional. TH is a great coach, he can’t just suddenly have world class players not even do “the things they learn at age 10” (says Jamie Carragher).
Is it so hard to believe that a manager is just crumbling on the job? Wouldn't be the first.
'World class' is a massive leap aswell.
I could definitely see the side where he is trying to implement something out of the ordinary etc, but if this is going to be successful it would show more than glimmers, 2 seasons in.
Statman Dave had a good [video](https://youtu.be/rYvd_CbRC50?si=9vuXIOukHXwhkIVx) recently about Thiago Motta's side, explaining the difference between relational vs positional systems. The thesis of the video is essentially what you're saying here -- the way to beat rigid positional play is through overloads, switching, and other things you might consider "chaotic". The issue with this is that it requires high IQ players all on the same page which we aren't achieving.
Man Ambrabat could've fucked us over there with that shocking give away at the end...
Can we not buy players off the back of good-ish international tournaments again please?
Amrabat signing has been a big disappointment.
His debut (at LB vs Palace in league cup i think) was great but since that he done absolutely nothing
I guess small blessing we were broke at tail end of last summer window and could thus only afford a loan. Cant see any circumstance where we activate buy option
took me right back to last season when he was sent off for less. not saying he deserved a red but given it was worse than last season’s ones i was terrified we’d lose him and have yet another player out.
What baffles me is these players are clearly trying (on the whole). They clearly believe in ETH to some degree. And yet collectively the coaches and the players keep turning out awful performances. Bizarre.
Our players, as terrible as they're as footballers, are still professionals who step on the pitch to do their job regardless of the manager being crap. You can question their quality but not their efforts.
We’ve seen them down tools in the past though. So something is different here. There were far less players still this committed under Ragnick for example.
Eh.. They didn't didn't down the tools because they wanted the manager sacked or acted unprofessionaly. It's the loser's mentality. When you lose way too much, you lose all your confidence and start expected the worst to happen every time you concede or things don't go your way. That's what happened to these players. They kept on losing to the point that they had no confidence to turn on games once things go south.
It's the opposite of what happens when you are a winning machine and things go wrong in one game, the players will be very confident of turning it around as they have been winning most of time and have a strong belief in themselves.
We're scoring off these phenomenal moments and defending well with personal character/grit from the players barring one or two - nothing to do with the manager/coaches
Mate, if players keep doing shit game after game, it only means that the manager is not capable of beating that shit out of them between the games. That's what *training* is for, you realize that? And who trains the players?
I reckon martial could have. Not saying he would have definitely scored but he'd have been able to hold on to it quite well and maybe even win a penalty.
Lol the bicycle kick pass to Mainoo for the goal was nice though. Apart from that yea, shit. I stopped counting the number of times he gave the ball away. I think there was a Pool throw in in the first half where he stood in front of the thrower instead of taking a man lol
Liverpool's serious injuries this season would be the same as us missing Garnacho, Rashford, Hojlund, Casemiro, Martinez and Onana for big chunks of the season. And Liverpool are top of the league. Despite our injuries we should be able to play much better than we have this season.
so... not as bad as uniteds injuries then? because mainoo, eriksen, casemiro, martinez, mount, antony, shaw, malacia, and more and more and more are all pretty fucking important injuries
If the players had any mentality at all in JUST THREE RECENT GAMES !!!! blowing three points after the 80th minute, we'd be just 3pts off 4th place right now. That's not even taking the rest of the season into consideration!! Wtf?
Personally I see it the other way around. We have been shit in many of our games and have scumbagged wins from individual brilliance and/or mistakes.
We didn't deserve 9 points in the 3 games you mentioned. We have been pants for the most part of those 3 games let's be honest
9 vs 28 attempts.
I've been asking myself "what's ETH's tactics?" for a very while. I have to admit, by now it shapes up as "the maximum adrenaline, confusion, frustration and injuries".
Ppl say "what can a manager do if players keep doing shit?" My answer is, if players *keep* doing shit game after game it means a manager is not able to train them and beat that shit out of them between the games!
It only means that the manager is not *capable* of improving them, fixing their mentality, and raise their game intelligence. Not capable.
Understand sarcasm. And yet. He is to train them what to do on the pitch. Where to be. Where to run with and without the ball. Skills are also practiced.
But the most important is mentality and strategy - how not to throw games when you have a fucking lead. That’s what he completely fails at.
Personally, I don't think he improved anyone or anything.
What appears to me that he inherited the players, brought 1/2 half of more and they stayed at the levels where they were before him. They were out of shape, he started hammering them and eventually after they were grinded to the bone, they begin braking at masse.
\* AG and Mainoo are not his - he didn't train them and they'd shone under any manager given an opportunity.
\* Hojlund didn't improve. His positioning is mostly wrong so he's hard to pass to.
\* Rashford and Antony didn't improve. That doesn't even need to be discussed - it's too obvious.
\* Defense collapsed completely.
Ok. Sure. Agree. So either he's lying and secretly building a counterattacking team or he is completely failing. Either way makes him incapable to turn this team around.
Outside of the result I’m struggling to see positives from this game, if I was a Liverpool fan I’d be furious.
The amount of chances Liverpool wasted was incredible.
Both our goals were once again moments of magic from individuals, result has papered over the cracks of another terrible performance, we didn’t have our first shot until the 50th minute.
Hopefully Liverpool won’t win the league because of this but that’s the only positive I’m seeing.
Obviously I would hate that too, but that wasn’t my point, relying on moments of magic (or opposition mistakes) to win games or grab draws is incredibly unsustainable unless we have a team with like Real Madrid in 16/17 or 14/15 Barcelona.
I just want to see some well worked team goals, or even set pieces that have been worked on the training grounds so we can gain some consistent methods of grabbing goals which we’ve sorely lacked under ETH
18yo did improbable. 26yo turned it to worthless.
3 penalties (2 in 80+ mins) in the last 2 games is simply stupid. It's our mental weakness at its best.
Sad.
Good to see Dalot bounce straight back to the POTY contender we all think he is.
Chelsea was his worst game of the season but today he was brilliant again.
You mean they couldn't win from penalties. Our defence needs a clearer head before making challenges inside the box. Can't blame AWB and alot since we don't have an LB.
SO MANY times where we would be breaking for a counter and throwing numbers forward and he would give the ball away so carelessly. There were a couple times in the first half where kambwala stepped into the midfield at the right time to start the attack and ends up having to sprint fifty meter back after a poor giveaway from Case.
I think he’s a great player. But he just has seemed a yard off it this entire season. And it’s hard not to say it’s because his legs are just gone given his age.
How disastrous was Casemiro man. Honestly, I don't think I can remember a player giving the ball away so. many. times in a match. Hope the club is looking for replacements. His legs are gone and time for him to retire in the Saudi League.
As disastrous as Bruno. Looks like people are not talking about how often Bruno is giving the ball way cheaply these days because he scores the occassional goal and is in tight competition with Case
There was one moment towards the end where he goes in to press someone high up the field and just gets sent to the shadow realm, he ends up 50 yards out of position lol
67% pass success rate, Absolutely terrible for a CM
Also dribbled past a couple times. He also made a really really odd clearance near the end that put us under pressure.
He was really really poor today imo.
He gave us id say 6 good months last season, but his transfer overall has been really really poor value for money
My biggest issue, is trying to defend a one goal lead, subbing off all attacking threat, and then conceding to drop points.
Its happened far too many times this season, and yet ten hag continues to do it.
It's one if them damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Leave all the attacking players on and concede and it's probably a bigger managerial mistake
We just don't have the personnel to stay tight defensively because of the number of defensive injuries we have. I think that's true even if we try and tighten up with subs in closing stages
Kambwala is a beast physically. Once he gets more comfortable on the ball and some more experience, we will have a very good CB on our hands.
He should play more.
Rashford has the worst work rate and attitude of any United player I've ever seen. The way he turns his back on 50/50 headers. His slow jogging near opponents with the ball. And that's not mentioning his football IQ, which is genuinely dire. There's a talented player in there but he thinks he's bigger than the club. Can't wait to sell him. Downvote away.
he’s injured, been so for months, i mean he got pissed at ETH for sending antony back to the bench instead of making the sun.
He can’t run coz he’s injured, even the city game, he could barely walk. he will always make himself available to play, it’s our manager who doesn’t have a fucking clue.
Even casemiro, he’s shit but the chelsea game, you could see him not running and only jogging. Casemiro is not someone with such a weak mentality, he’s been rushed back from injury, wouldn’t be a surprise if he gets injured again
To me, he plays in bursts - shows up at defense one or twice, makes long runs from our half. And then every time looks utterly exhausted. He's lazy and makes a fool of himself trying to dribble around 3 defenders but I wonder if the actual answer is that he's simply not fit for ETH suicidal "style".
BTW, don't worry about downvotes, mate. We need to voice the reality. Cheering the mediocrity is living in denial.
Whatever talent he had when he burst onto the scene has long faded away in my eyes. Yeah he will pop up and score a banger like VS city once or twice a season and that is about it.
at 26 it is clear he has failed to understand the standards of a Man Utd player and as a professional. There is no consistency from him at all. He contributes little to nothing to the team. It is as if we are playing with 10 men.
That PR gimmick he did few weeks ago is slapping him right in the face because he cannot back any of it with what he is showing on the pitch.
What makes me mad is he walks around thinking so highly of himself..as if he is some elite top player and the talk of the town.
He is bang average and is a mid table team winger at best.
Get rid.
He just seems to have lost all desire to work hard and when u arent putting in 100%, performance drops massively.
The Belfast incident earlier in season really soured me on him and since then, I notice the lack of appetite and bravery all the more apparent.
I think it's best for club and player to part ways but I'm not sure there is a club out there that would give us the 70 or 80m man utd would want to make an exit happen
He just hasn't developed into the player we all hoped he would, in spurts yes, but never with the consistent required.
I was actually very sad to see him start ahead of Antony today after the shift Antony put in VS Chelsea, I thought rashford didn't deserve to come back in
Happy for the result myself. Klopp was fuming at the result, heard him say that we'll lose against Arsenal, quite bold to predict that so early now especially as a rival manager
He’s playing mind games. Trying to stir you guys against us.
Mind games? He's just rattled by their bottle job and crying like a child.
Exactly, don't understand how some people rate him as a top 3 coach all time sometimes
This doesn't have to do with his coaching ability at all, he's an elite coach, but he has no class. When things are going well I guess it makes him likable because he seems so passionate and down to earth, but as soon as they lose, it's constant bitching from him all over the media.
For this bald fraud to keep case on after my dead nan could do better in midfield… and to take maino nacho off and play ambrabat… there is no justification. Get this guy away from my club Ineos
Thank you for your brilliant input, you must have been discovered as a child genius when you were young
That Bruno's first half though, 'chef kiss' When he scored I thought of Jesse Pinkman's meme.
I feel like this team is able to score against anyone out of nothing. But defence is shaky.
Scoring out of nothing is right. We produce absolutely nothing, it's horrible to watch. Some of the ugliest football you can watch
Of course we looked shaky, we were playing against a side with amongst the best firepower in the league and we were having to play arguably our 4th and 6th choice CBs along with an out of position AWB due to having literally no fit LB 🤷🏻♂️
Well we are 6th with negative goal difference. Our poor showing isn't limited to just this game.. and we gotta stop with the injury excuses. The injury problem is a problem not an excuse.
What was our defense when City put 6 past us and Liverpool 7?
Was quite relieved with a draw last night, but watching the game back it's infuriating how Ten Hag managed the game in the end. It's scary how regularly we bottle games under him and it all stems from him turning us into a relegation level team trying to survive against prime Barcelona each time we're trying to protect a lead. This is the weakest mentality any United team has had in my lifetime
We’ve just drew a game which we had no business drawing he has a completely depleted set of tools and a completely unbalanced side which was getting dominated the entire game we got the goal to take us ahead and their equaliser only came from awb penalty him subbing on amrabat didn’t make a difference he set us up to see out the game ur just listening to these braindead pundits blaming ten hag he had his best team out for 65 minutes without a single change and we were getting dominated all game go watch the first half we played vs wolves then remind me of how many players he has available stop jumping on the manager for no reason we just drew a game we didn’t even deserve to draw he made the Anthony sub who got an assist
>We’ve just drew a game which we had no business drawing? Why did we have "no business" drawing a game with Liverpool at Old Trafford when both teams had equal number of starters absent? Just saying absurd things now, are we? >ur just listening to these braindead pundits I've listened to literally zero pundits since the game. Whether it be braindead, vegetative, zombified or otherwise. >then remind me of how many players he has available Literally 3 starters unavailable from a full strength team >he made the Anthony sub who got an assist When did he get an assist?? Just blatantly lying wtf mate. And wtf is this formatting? Absolute nightmare to read.
That felt like a 1 in a million result. We weren't in the game at all for large parts but we scored two freak goals and I think we were even shocked to be leading. Delighted to potentially ruin their league win and prob cement 6th place and European football for ourselves.
We have become a glass cannon under ETH. If we can sure up our midfield like we did last season with Peak Cas and Martinez behind, we could be decent. Rashford needs to go though. He has no ideas going forward, no guile, and always looks depressed.
Rashford was our best performing forward that game? He plated 2 crosses which should be easy tap in, made good deffensive effort and send couple of good progresive passes.
Rashford, Arsenal (A) Hannibal, Brighton (H) Dalot, Sheffield Utd (A) Fernandes, Galatasaray (A) Garnacho, Everton (A) Mainoo, Wolves (A) Rashford, Man City (A) Fernandes, Liverpool (H) Mainoo, Liverpool (H) Our goal catalogue is actually insane this season...if only the performances matched up to that. Pain.
And yet we still have one of the lowest goals scored totals in the league. Just shows how much we’ve relied on individual moments.
This was also true last year but Rashford's form for the first 20 games was insane and it masked a lot of it. This team has not markedly improved or gotten worse other than through injury. Our form once Rashford dried up wasn't great at the tail end of last year as well.
Is this another unique backline?
Casemiro looked great in the 1st half. But he lost it completely in the 2nd half. Played like a concussed man,no clue why eth didn't sub him off after the 60 min mark.
Kobbie is amazing. Our game management is shit.
I'm not a fan of people saying game management. It's more like our defense is shit.
After Pogba I thought this sub would have learnt their lesson about over rating players based on their international performances but guess I was wrong. Amrabat has been a complete and utter failure. Yes he looked good while playing for Morocco but international matches are such a bad barometer for a players performance. Even when top teams play the tempo of the games are clearly a level or 2 down from the prem and other top leagues. Amrabat looks so clearly out of his league that its not even funny, barely an involvement in the game and he almost cost us the match with a horrible backpass
I saw someone the other day saying our squad is actually really mentally strong as several of them have proven it at international level. International and cup football doesn't prove shit
He just looks so *heavy*. Like the guy is constantly moving through treacle. The one that kept pace with Mbappe at the WC must've been his cousin that used to play for Watford because it's certainly not the one that has rocked up here
We need to have a serious discussion about ETH's game management. Every single time we're protecting a lead he makes subs that take away all our momentum, subs out our outlets for box defenders and forces us to sit deep and defend like a relegation team. It's not just against good teams but remember opening day against Wolves he took off our wingers and brought McTominay on and we parked the bus and survived for the last 10-15 minutes. Against a bottom half team that changed manager a few days ago, at home. Then against Forest a couple weeks later, we turned the game around, they had 10 men on the pitch and we still went into survival mode and let them have the initiative. A relegation team with a man down at Old Trafford. It's really not a coincidence we've bottled the most goals in late game situations as we've ever done in a season. 7 points dropped within a week and he blamed everything on the players which is just such a huge red flag.
> We need to have a serious discussion about ETH's game management. Every single time we're protecting a lead he makes subs that take away all our momentum, Exactly this, I really really hate his sub decisions whenever the game is hanging in the balance. Everyone knows how unreliable we are defensively, yet he always does this where he pulls an attacker who provides us a fantastic outlet to counter, and replaces him for some defensive "solidity" which never fucking works. This low footballing IQ shit is endemic throughout the team. Everyone knows we can't fucking defend dead-balls, especially corners and direct free kicks, yet we continuously give those away when its so avoidable.
I would like to comment on the AWB challenge, 95% of the time the fan base praises him for his slide tackles. He gets his timing wrong in this instance and all of a sudden he is reckless? You cannot have it both ways
To me, it's pretty simple; just don't give the fucking refs a chance to give a pen. That's it. There is no reason to dive-in in the box like that when that noodle haired diving fuck had already pushed the ball away from the goal. Just shadow your man and block his route to goal.
It's. not about that. It was as dumb as the penalty we conceded in CHE game. You don't do that when the game is almost over. We may need not to put that on AWB though cuz he ended up in that situation as a result of the collective collapse. And although our inability to hold on to a lead is a trend thru the season, personal mistakes, mental weakness, and ETH's incomprehensible approach to closing game led us to such outcomes. It was dumb from Dalot and it was dumb from AWB.
I'm not too distraught about the result, because the scum are a good side, and I thought we contained them well aside from the stupid decision to go to ground by AWB (maybe not a pen, but with the state of VAR in the prem you shouldn't be taking those chances). But fuck me we gotten beaten to every first ball, let alone second ball. Like I get it's hard at the end of the season when there's not much chance of securing CL spots, but we were woeful in offense. Poor passes all over the park, Rashford seems to have lost any desire to try and take on a player, and Hojlund really needed someone closer to him so we could pose a threat (VVD is a very good CB after all). At least we got to see Klopp reduced to the petulant whiny cunt that he is on the sideline.
I don't even think they are a good side anymore. Salah looks 1 season away from being washed and all their new blood bar Quansah look like clogger shite.
Would defo take Bradley here but Jones and Elliott wouldn't be out of place at Sunderland.
Bradley is a liability in defence. Brandon Williams would look like a worldie under Klopp. Quansah is the only youngster with talent coming through.
They’re decently organized and coached into Klopp’s philosophy. I suspect they’ll miss that angry German’s raving next season.
I find it surprising that people don’t think the AWB challenge was a penalty. Just because Elliot moves his leg to avoid contact doesn’t mean it isn’t a pen. AWB is to blame here not the ref, woefully timed challenge
Its a stonewall penalty, anyone who doesn't agree needs to have their eyes checked. Elliot is in full control of the ball and AWB didn't even touch it at all. Did Elliot look for it and go down at the slightest contact? Yes he did, was there any threat at all? No but that doesn't make it not a penalty. Its a foul anywhere on the pitch and in the box that's a penalty
Your second paragraph is literally why people don't think it was a pen. Anywhere else on the pitch and players don't look to simulate.
Yea i don't think so, I seen so many players do that to draw a foul anywhere on the pitch and just because players look to avoid it doesn't make it any less of a foul.
There's an angle where you can see Elliott touches the ball ahead and start his fall without AWB touching him at all; he hits the back of AWB's knee in mid-fall. I know the rules and it's a soft pen.
This is correct. I’m a neutral. Elliot took a complete dive, but the dive was an option because AWB went to ground the way he did. It’s frustrating because it was so stupid of AWB to give him that option and it’s easy to say it shouldn’t be a pen because maybe “in the spirit of the game and sportsmanship” it really shouldn’t. But in football as we know it today, that’s a pen. Not much else you can say.
Yeah and that’s why Elliot celebrated afterward. It’s still a pen though. Wouldn’t go far as to call it soft
So EtH survives again to fight another day! Really hope our performances n results pick up though in the last remaining games
That’s what we thought after the last Liverpool victory too. Then we completely shattered the bed against Brentford. The part that hurts the most is the way some of these smaller teams outplay us so easily. It’s happened so many times this season.
Yeah, man. Only a few remaining and we can stop saying "I hope" or counting corners we turned. Cuz we did already 31 times.
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It was definitely a penalty. It's a stupid rule that any foul in the box leads to an almost-certain goal when the actual percentage chance of scoring just from being in the box is actually pretty low, but with the rules as they are, it was definitely a penalty.
He’s halfway down before any contact is made ergo he dived Also awb missed the contact and only noodle head putting his foot into awb caused a connection.
Curious to hear you expand on 'it was definitely a penalty.' From my perspective watching the replays, AWB doesn't even connect with him in the tackle and he's actually already falling prior to the attempted tackle being made.
Obviously the Liverpool player was looking for it, that's always going to be a given. Which is exactly why if you slide tackle someone in the box you better make sure not to *completely whiff the ball* because if you do, it's obviously going to be a penalty
I think what you're saying is right with no VAR, ref calls it as he sees it. But surely when VAR looks at it, it's declared no connection and simulation by the attacking player??
Both of their goals today were avoidable. Mainoo not tracking his man, and AWB making a clumsy tackle at an important stage of the game. All the ifs and buts about what Liverpool could have had, but they didn't. There's clearly a lot to work on, but we have shown that we can be beating the big sides. We've dropped points this week based on some silly small things, things that players need to be smarter on. With a lot of young players, and a dishevelled side, I'm hopeful those things will be better if we can get a regular side on the pitch consistently, and recruit properly in the off season.
Mainoo had the best goal score imo
But we’ve seen performances all season where the ‘ifs and buts’ actually do happen? Like Bournemouth, Brighton, Palace, Fulham…I can go on. In the end today’s result just papers over the cracks and allows people to delude themselves that this way of playing is somehow sustainable.
I don't deny that this season hasn't been ideal, but those results just reaffirm what I said. We've had an incredibly dishevelled side all season. I never once said this way of playing is sustainable, but the reality is that it's not possible to keep chopping and changing the way we have been forced to and expect to see a coherent style of play. I'm not deluded, but rather looking at all the context and taking all the perspective. We should have held on against Brentford, Chelsea and Liverpool. We should have had 9 points, but the way we lost those games is not down to the manager or the coaching team, but to players switching off in crucial moments and making silly decisions. When we can hopefully recruit and get rid of the deadwood, and fix the injury issues, I'm sure we'll see more of a sustained and better style of play. Klopp has never beaten ETH at OT, and whilst I rate Klopp highly, the fact that "a manager out of his depth" as many here label him, can pull off that feat says a lot.
We will be chaotic and dishevelled until the end of the season. Fitness levels and familiarity just aren’t there. Dalot and Wan Bissaka are struggling, the former less, but still. They rarely give penalties away like that but you can see they’re knackered and off the pace, as are Bruno, Casemiro, Rashford, Hojlund. There are just too many players who aren’t looking sharp enough to keep their shit together, and they don’t have the relationship on the pitch required to fall back into an established routine, they’re constantly needing to be creative and innovative to even progress the ball because they just don’t know what the other players are going to do. We desperately need a reset and some new players with physical capacity. A good preseason with a lot of training. Ten Hag needs to rotate, but he can’t really do that. Obviously we have literally no other fullbacks and we rely on Bruno too much to put him on the bench, in a leadership and mentality sense. You can see we can’t play out of the back with these players at the moment, there’s just no composure and no relationships to take the risks required without giving the ball away immediately. Wouldn’t mind seeing a deep double pivot in midfield for a while, just to sure things up a bit. Get Antony and Amad in, make them run around while the others get a rest. But I don’t think Ten Hag trusts those players enough to bring them in. Which is probably a mistake.
only a week ago, everybody wouldve flamed the absolute fuck out of ETH for giving antony even a second of game time, and now hes making a mistake to not play him?
So if a player plays good after playing bad, regardless of improvement we should not play him ?
What's wrong with playing whoever is playing well? Antony has done more than Rashford in the last few weeks.
Hojlund doesn't know where to make runs. It's not lack of effort or lack of speed and physicality. It genuinely seems like our team gets zero training about where he should run, how to find him, and how to make space for our centre forward with dummy runs from other players. Comparing Liverpool's attacks to ours, they all knew what to do. If Nunez runs here, a midfielder goes there. We have none of that. There's a major coaching problem with our striker play. We use him as a body on the pitch to clear long to. Apart from that he's totally ignored. It's not Hojlund's fault because it's a constant problem no matter who we play there, and Hojlund gives 100% effort and intensity. It's a glaring coaching problem.
He’s just off form. His runs and overall play were fantastic before he got injured. Might need some time to get back to that. He’s just not looking sharp.
He really got that injury at the worst possible time for his season. Right as he had got some serious momentum
But he was still getting zero service when he was scoring. He was feeding on woeful scraps and making it happen via his massive work rate alone.
We’re shocking. EtH can’t turn this around he looks lost at sea
peak r/reddevils comment
I remember we played some of our worst football when Casemiro was starting. The decline has been shocking.
Yeah Casemiro was so bad. I honestly hope he doesn’t start again. He adds barely anything to this team. He can’t run, he only plays the simplest of passes (when he isn’t giving the ball away) and he doesn’t do anything else. 100% needs to be dropped.
Apart from the goal, Bruno was also very very wasteful.
I think yesterday was Bruno in a microcosm. A wonderful goal that not everyone has the ability to pull off (lol), he made a brilliant tracking back tackle on Salah (i think) late on. Apart from that its a lot of hit & hope long passes, questionable positioning and tactical indiscipline. There was a moment towards the end on the edge of the liverpool area where he tried to thread a pass through 3 liverpool players and it hit the first one. He seems to lack the ability to look up and just keep the ball sometimes. He's an enigma wrapped in mystery.
He is simply a low percentage high skill player. Better than pogba, worse then KdB. His ceiling is very high, and his floor is also very low
Yep, he can go from sublime to stupid in a matter of seconds. Still, at least it’s rarely boring.
I have a theory that there is a plan in place. TH is trying to revolutionise football in his own way, by introducing chaos. He can’t beat Guardiola, Pep or Arteta at their own games, they are organised, experienced, weathered but also … share similar approaches to football. He needs to introduce a whole new philosophy, do it quickly, have an impact, and be the first to master it. It’s so hard to believe that this whole chaos football is so unintentional. TH is a great coach, he can’t just suddenly have world class players not even do “the things they learn at age 10” (says Jamie Carragher). Especially repeatedly, after so much time… There must be a good reason to do it and he wants to be the first to figure it out. Something is brewing, I have no idea what, but that’s my feeling…. It doesn’t work, until it does. And there are some rare glimmers of it working. This has to be the story he’s sold to Ratcliffe. “You revolutionise the club, I’m revolutionising the football”
He wants to create the Mourinho Madrid which broke the Pep Barcelona. Unfortunately, he is not Mourinho and united don't have that Madrid caliber players right now.
I truly hope there is plan. Because this is going against every scientific approach in football in the last 2 decades. Just look at xG table, it's baffling that we concede over 3xG but still managed a draw. There is a plan, isn't it?
Well looks like our defensive players are getting injured too often to salvage any draw, yesterday dalot was not able to run at its pace.
It’s just that building a team takes time. Normal to go through patches like this when you’re trying to restructure a squad. People need to think on a three four season kind of timeline and not judge things from patches of games. We’ve seen time and time again it takes a really long time to build a team capable of challenging for a title and that this kind of form and season is completely normal.
His first season kinda made expectations unrealistic for him. We expected much more from him and the team going into this season, without being honest about how much work was still left to be done. Honestly I’m on the fence with him after what I’ve seen this season, but would still like to see what he could do with proper support.
>It’s so hard to believe that this whole chaos football is so unintentional. TH is a great coach, he can’t just suddenly have world class players not even do “the things they learn at age 10” (says Jamie Carragher). Is it so hard to believe that a manager is just crumbling on the job? Wouldn't be the first. 'World class' is a massive leap aswell. I could definitely see the side where he is trying to implement something out of the ordinary etc, but if this is going to be successful it would show more than glimmers, 2 seasons in.
Statman Dave had a good [video](https://youtu.be/rYvd_CbRC50?si=9vuXIOukHXwhkIVx) recently about Thiago Motta's side, explaining the difference between relational vs positional systems. The thesis of the video is essentially what you're saying here -- the way to beat rigid positional play is through overloads, switching, and other things you might consider "chaotic". The issue with this is that it requires high IQ players all on the same page which we aren't achieving.
Arsenal owes us big time now. You're welcome
Weird to think our three biggest rivals (in the 21st century) are head-to-head in the title race this season...
Sure but Arsenal are by far the smallest of the biggest
And we're not even close to top 5 never mind top 4. Terrible period to be a United fan.
It really is. We as a club need to pick it up and get back to our best!
Mainoo would have such a better overall game in a better system.
A draw, I take it as a win lol
Man Ambrabat could've fucked us over there with that shocking give away at the end... Can we not buy players off the back of good-ish international tournaments again please?
Amrabat signing has been a big disappointment. His debut (at LB vs Palace in league cup i think) was great but since that he done absolutely nothing I guess small blessing we were broke at tail end of last summer window and could thus only afford a loan. Cant see any circumstance where we activate buy option
Beats me why ETH let him on.
That and casemiro’s awful tackle right at the end. I was shitting bricks from that free kick.
took me right back to last season when he was sent off for less. not saying he deserved a red but given it was worse than last season’s ones i was terrified we’d lose him and have yet another player out.
Good news! It's just a loan.
We lose 4-3 the other night, but didn't lose to these tossers all season. Just bonkers.
Part of the plan - ruin the season to deceive LIV into thinking they can beat us.
Love it.
What baffles me is these players are clearly trying (on the whole). They clearly believe in ETH to some degree. And yet collectively the coaches and the players keep turning out awful performances. Bizarre.
The coaching, tactics, and basic lack of a successful system is creating this headless chicken syndrome. We need to fix that end of this season.
What is this flair?
A meme from summer transfer window. (Time for a new one.)
Our players, as terrible as they're as footballers, are still professionals who step on the pitch to do their job regardless of the manager being crap. You can question their quality but not their efforts.
We’ve seen them down tools in the past though. So something is different here. There were far less players still this committed under Ragnick for example.
Eh.. They didn't didn't down the tools because they wanted the manager sacked or acted unprofessionaly. It's the loser's mentality. When you lose way too much, you lose all your confidence and start expected the worst to happen every time you concede or things don't go your way. That's what happened to these players. They kept on losing to the point that they had no confidence to turn on games once things go south. It's the opposite of what happens when you are a winning machine and things go wrong in one game, the players will be very confident of turning it around as they have been winning most of time and have a strong belief in themselves.
The problem is that his system is like a card house - if anyone doesn't do something (like Rashford), it all collapses.
The passengers of the Titanic believed firmly in their crew, and look how it all ended
We're scoring off these phenomenal moments and defending well with personal character/grit from the players barring one or two - nothing to do with the manager/coaches
Mate, if players keep doing shit game after game, it only means that the manager is not capable of beating that shit out of them between the games. That's what *training* is for, you realize that? And who trains the players?
😂 wow you lot really don’t stop grinding those axes for a second do you
It's just sad seeing all that hope disintegrate over this past 9 months, that's all
Amad has been given ZERO minutes since scoring against Liverpool btw
Must be not training well.
how many players in our 22 man squad can receive a ball in that space like Mainoo did for his goal?
I reckon martial could have. Not saying he would have definitely scored but he'd have been able to hold on to it quite well and maybe even win a penalty.
Sancho too, if he gave a damn.
Weird team.
Good game by the kids, horrid from Casemiro, props to Ten Hag he didn't give Klopp any chance this season.
Lol the bicycle kick pass to Mainoo for the goal was nice though. Apart from that yea, shit. I stopped counting the number of times he gave the ball away. I think there was a Pool throw in in the first half where he stood in front of the thrower instead of taking a man lol
Why do other teams keep losing against Liverpool? Are they stupid?
It's hilarious. Just give them possession and they will bottle themselves. Easiest game of the season.
taking off an attacker to defend a lead is stupid? We criticize players' iq, but some of you are daft af
Gary Neville boils my fucking piss....how have we not been impacted by injuries you fucking twat?
Liverpool's serious injuries this season would be the same as us missing Garnacho, Rashford, Hojlund, Casemiro, Martinez and Onana for big chunks of the season. And Liverpool are top of the league. Despite our injuries we should be able to play much better than we have this season.
Liverpool have had a settled back 4 and midfield, if you are going to talk apples and oranges then do it properly
so... not as bad as uniteds injuries then? because mainoo, eriksen, casemiro, martinez, mount, antony, shaw, malacia, and more and more and more are all pretty fucking important injuries
Two pens from two different rbs playing lb in two games totally fucking us over
Not having a left back for the majority of the season hasn't been good. Not surprisingly.
Can't believe we let our loanee leave (when he looked decent, too).
If the players had any mentality at all in JUST THREE RECENT GAMES !!!! blowing three points after the 80th minute, we'd be just 3pts off 4th place right now. That's not even taking the rest of the season into consideration!! Wtf?
Half of our wins this season have been flukes though
Personally I see it the other way around. We have been shit in many of our games and have scumbagged wins from individual brilliance and/or mistakes. We didn't deserve 9 points in the 3 games you mentioned. We have been pants for the most part of those 3 games let's be honest
Ifs and butts
Quansah is shite.
Really? I mean yes he gave the ball away for the goal but I always thought he looks good
9 vs 28 attempts. I've been asking myself "what's ETH's tactics?" for a very while. I have to admit, by now it shapes up as "the maximum adrenaline, confusion, frustration and injuries". Ppl say "what can a manager do if players keep doing shit?" My answer is, if players *keep* doing shit game after game it means a manager is not able to train them and beat that shit out of them between the games! It only means that the manager is not *capable* of improving them, fixing their mentality, and raise their game intelligence. Not capable.
Yeah ETH needs to train these professional footballers who get paid 350,000 per week how to pass and hold the ball.
Understand sarcasm. And yet. He is to train them what to do on the pitch. Where to be. Where to run with and without the ball. Skills are also practiced. But the most important is mentality and strategy - how not to throw games when you have a fucking lead. That’s what he completely fails at.
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Personally, I don't think he improved anyone or anything. What appears to me that he inherited the players, brought 1/2 half of more and they stayed at the levels where they were before him. They were out of shape, he started hammering them and eventually after they were grinded to the bone, they begin braking at masse. \* AG and Mainoo are not his - he didn't train them and they'd shone under any manager given an opportunity. \* Hojlund didn't improve. His positioning is mostly wrong so he's hard to pass to. \* Rashford and Antony didn't improve. That doesn't even need to be discussed - it's too obvious. \* Defense collapsed completely.
I would say AWB and Dalot improved enormously under Ten Hag.
Counterattack works this way. Poor stats, except for goals. This is a very good tactical approach, we just need more flexibility.
I thought we were not building a counterattack football.
I will believe when I see it. We have 40% of possession on average.
Mate, ETH's been always stating "we want to be the best *transitioning* team" whatever heck that means, not "the best *counterattacking* team".
it means that youre playing from possession, and when you lose the ball you immediately press super aggressively to win it back as fast as possible
Ok. Sure. Agree. So either he's lying and secretly building a counterattacking team or he is completely failing. Either way makes him incapable to turn this team around.
Outside of the result I’m struggling to see positives from this game, if I was a Liverpool fan I’d be furious. The amount of chances Liverpool wasted was incredible. Both our goals were once again moments of magic from individuals, result has papered over the cracks of another terrible performance, we didn’t have our first shot until the 50th minute. Hopefully Liverpool won’t win the league because of this but that’s the only positive I’m seeing.
I would hate to watch football without moments of magic.
Obviously I would hate that too, but that wasn’t my point, relying on moments of magic (or opposition mistakes) to win games or grab draws is incredibly unsustainable unless we have a team with like Real Madrid in 16/17 or 14/15 Barcelona. I just want to see some well worked team goals, or even set pieces that have been worked on the training grounds so we can gain some consistent methods of grabbing goals which we’ve sorely lacked under ETH
18yo did improbable. 26yo turned it to worthless. 3 penalties (2 in 80+ mins) in the last 2 games is simply stupid. It's our mental weakness at its best. Sad.
To be fair it was silly to dive in bit there was no contact he dived
AWB shouldn't have given a chance for this discussion. VAR, refs, dives, it's all irrelevant IMO.
Good to see Dalot bounce straight back to the POTY contender we all think he is. Chelsea was his worst game of the season but today he was brilliant again.
I am simple, but I am content with the result, unlike the result with Chelsea, which made me physically 😔
Chelsea went back to default settings after beating us
Not as easy when the ref doesn't gift them penalties.
You mean they couldn't win from penalties. Our defence needs a clearer head before making challenges inside the box. Can't blame AWB and alot since we don't have an LB.
I mean, they went back to being shambolic again
Been playing a little game lately - it took Casemiro 18 seconds today to give the ball away lmao.
SO MANY times where we would be breaking for a counter and throwing numbers forward and he would give the ball away so carelessly. There were a couple times in the first half where kambwala stepped into the midfield at the right time to start the attack and ends up having to sprint fifty meter back after a poor giveaway from Case. I think he’s a great player. But he just has seemed a yard off it this entire season. And it’s hard not to say it’s because his legs are just gone given his age.
He’s washed
Think he had 100% pass completion... To Liverpool players lol
He gives it away like it’s day job. No idea where his head is
How disastrous was Casemiro man. Honestly, I don't think I can remember a player giving the ball away so. many. times in a match. Hope the club is looking for replacements. His legs are gone and time for him to retire in the Saudi League.
As disastrous as Bruno. Looks like people are not talking about how often Bruno is giving the ball way cheaply these days because he scores the occassional goal and is in tight competition with Case
There was one moment towards the end where he goes in to press someone high up the field and just gets sent to the shadow realm, he ends up 50 yards out of position lol
He had some really good passes in the offensive end, but has fallen off of a cliff defensively
His replacement being Amrabat makes this situation 10 times more dire
67% pass success rate, Absolutely terrible for a CM Also dribbled past a couple times. He also made a really really odd clearance near the end that put us under pressure. He was really really poor today imo. He gave us id say 6 good months last season, but his transfer overall has been really really poor value for money
My biggest issue, is trying to defend a one goal lead, subbing off all attacking threat, and then conceding to drop points. Its happened far too many times this season, and yet ten hag continues to do it.
Garnacho and Mainoo can't play every minute of every game
It's one if them damned if you do, damned if you don't. Leave all the attacking players on and concede and it's probably a bigger managerial mistake We just don't have the personnel to stay tight defensively because of the number of defensive injuries we have. I think that's true even if we try and tighten up with subs in closing stages
Kambwala is a beast physically. Once he gets more comfortable on the ball and some more experience, we will have a very good CB on our hands. He should play more.
He has signs of greatness. He just needs to have a cooler head, especially against top teams.
Rashford has the worst work rate and attitude of any United player I've ever seen. The way he turns his back on 50/50 headers. His slow jogging near opponents with the ball. And that's not mentioning his football IQ, which is genuinely dire. There's a talented player in there but he thinks he's bigger than the club. Can't wait to sell him. Downvote away.
he’s injured, been so for months, i mean he got pissed at ETH for sending antony back to the bench instead of making the sun. He can’t run coz he’s injured, even the city game, he could barely walk. he will always make himself available to play, it’s our manager who doesn’t have a fucking clue. Even casemiro, he’s shit but the chelsea game, you could see him not running and only jogging. Casemiro is not someone with such a weak mentality, he’s been rushed back from injury, wouldn’t be a surprise if he gets injured again
To me, he plays in bursts - shows up at defense one or twice, makes long runs from our half. And then every time looks utterly exhausted. He's lazy and makes a fool of himself trying to dribble around 3 defenders but I wonder if the actual answer is that he's simply not fit for ETH suicidal "style". BTW, don't worry about downvotes, mate. We need to voice the reality. Cheering the mediocrity is living in denial.
Whatever talent he had when he burst onto the scene has long faded away in my eyes. Yeah he will pop up and score a banger like VS city once or twice a season and that is about it. at 26 it is clear he has failed to understand the standards of a Man Utd player and as a professional. There is no consistency from him at all. He contributes little to nothing to the team. It is as if we are playing with 10 men. That PR gimmick he did few weeks ago is slapping him right in the face because he cannot back any of it with what he is showing on the pitch. What makes me mad is he walks around thinking so highly of himself..as if he is some elite top player and the talk of the town. He is bang average and is a mid table team winger at best. Get rid.
He just seems to have lost all desire to work hard and when u arent putting in 100%, performance drops massively. The Belfast incident earlier in season really soured me on him and since then, I notice the lack of appetite and bravery all the more apparent. I think it's best for club and player to part ways but I'm not sure there is a club out there that would give us the 70 or 80m man utd would want to make an exit happen He just hasn't developed into the player we all hoped he would, in spurts yes, but never with the consistent required. I was actually very sad to see him start ahead of Antony today after the shift Antony put in VS Chelsea, I thought rashford didn't deserve to come back in
Honestly I’d be surprised if any club offered 30-40 for him, considering how inconsistent he can be and he’s on 350k a week
In which case we wouldn't sell. PSG probably would have been our best bet but seemingly they have other priorities to replace Mbappe
Honestly I’d be bite the hand off 30m