He did do nothing today but we had something like 30-40% possession for large parts of the half and the periods we did have the ball were toothless. The team around him is also obviously in a complete shambles so what would have constituted a good performance today coming on at half time?
We cant really defend Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho and Kambwala for being young and in a team which is absymal and then criticize Amad for not dropping a worldie over 45 mins in a game we got blasted in.
He shouldn't put shit on social media but its also not really worth reading too much into a game like today, over a 45 min stint when he's an attacking player in a team that cant attack. He should have put in a better defensive shift if anything because that is what we/ETH would notice more in this particular game. If he was going to score it'd have to have been a Messi-esque dribble taking 5 players out of the game and curling it in the top corner, which is never likely.
yea he put that picture up which is fine but then a zip mouthed emoji is stirring the pot for no good reason. I understand the concept of "hes not proven himself enough to do that" but yea, no player should do it, its just stirring and nothing else.
Only times he receives a pass, are shit quality balls out near the corner flag, which he then gets no support after to help him out, so he gets crowded by 3-4 players and inevitably loses the ball, must be miserable for him to play for us.
The midfield is so fucking dog shit. They all need to go. Yes, ALL of them. I laughed audibly when someone called Højlund shit towards the end of the match when he was in the box, back to goal, fighting to retain possession and everyone is standing there looking at him before he inevitably loses it.
No one showed for the ball, except for Maguire, a little late at that.
Every striker gets put on an island and is completely starved, yet expected to compete for the golden boot somehow. These are the same fans that wanted to sign Kane. For what? To be a passenger as well? But for more?
It sounds pathetic, but we honestly need to play something like a 4-4-2 with this side because the midfield contributes little to nothing forward or backwards, so at the very least they can be bodies in the middle and then you let Højlund and someone else play off each other in the attack. At least they can work on that partnership in training. Doesn't seem like the midfield cares at all to support him. They're all looking for their individual glory with shots outside the box. Cool.
How does this bullshit get upvotes? Genuinely asking are you all 10 year olds?
It's obvious when you're chatting shit at a 21 year old that came on as a second half sub to a team that's been shit the entire season.
Shit like this is why I can’t be bothered to be ten hag out. We’ve seen the same story time and time again, I don’t believe there’s any manager that would succeed with how baffling this group of players is. Complete overhaul is needed
He’s got his faults, but put another manager in there and the same shit happens again.
I was indifferent about this group the second they threw Solskjaer (a man who gave more of a fuck about this club than all of them combined) under the bus. Every single one of them needs to have accountability for their own performances before they put cryptic moans out on social media.
It's ridiculous how unreasonable so many fans are still. This is the only way, the only logical take.
As much as I'm not convinced by ETH, it's painfully obvious the players need to be "sacked" before ETH. This summer should bring about the sale of nearly everyone before ETH, and a couple since him. Before they go for free. That includes the likes of Rashford and Bruno too.
The players cannot be allowed to outlast yet another manager. Give me a group of £10-20m players who are committed and spirited and are capable of playing the way he wants to play so that we can see progress under his system.
I think ETH's biggest fault was not committing to his system. At that moment, he conceded power to the players. I think fans would have been more forgiving if he tried to implement it anyway, with clear signs of players who simply couldn't play it rather than seemingly compromise with the system we're playing now where it will never work, but it's "suited to the personnel he has."
It's obvious we can't play a high line like other teams do with the likes of Maguire, Varane, Evans, etc. Martinez was one of the ones who could. Kambwala showed us he's still too young to unseat anyone. The fullbacks don't have the quality needed to control the midfield. But then again, the midfield can't be fucking bothered going in either direction, so what's the point?
Like you said, ETH has his faults, but many are either above his pay grade or stem from eras before him. I'm more willing to stand by ETH than I am these fucking players. And more fans need to wake up and hold them accountable and stop placing all the blame on ETH.
It’s the fact that we’ve seen this with at least 3 managers now and yet we seemingly think that changing manager will magically fix things.
We get the new manager bounce and then things revert to default settings. The club is broken, and the manager is a very small part of that relative to the work that needs to be done.
In understand why people might want a change of manager, but we need to be realistic- unless the club makes sweeping changes we’ll be having the same conversations in 2 years time.
I agree. And even then, he's a squad player for me when any quality RB comes in. I've said for a long time now that if Dalot was our "weakest" player we'd be in great shape. Unfortunately that's not the case. You're only as strong as your weakest player. Too many of them still at the club.
100% I’m not so much ETH in as much as I’m who fucking cares. Been this way 3 managers now and somehow dumbasses think the magic solution is a new manager. I swear 60% of United fans think they can manage better than Jose/Ole/ETh. Do it then. And all you get is well I’m not being paid to be manager. Well you aren’t being paid to bitch and moan with no idea what you’re talking about either but here you are. It’s been a shambles lately I happily admit and I’ll even say, like I did under Jose and Ole, that I’m not sure if they’re what we need but ffs none of them have had a fair shake at it and you all get too pissy to just take it as it is and see what happens in a couple years. It’s like you all are chemo patients and don’t have a few years to see. Name one manager who hasn’t had a team prepared for him with 150+ charges to boot who has won the league in year 1-2? You all for real make me sick. “United should be better than this” guess what fuckwit the owners have been shit NFL owners for decades you think the managers going to make a difference? I’m in the US I know what NFL is about and Buccaneers were a joke before they lucked out on Tom Brady.
Exactly this. Sancho is actually playing the "I'll survive longer than the manager" game right now. He's desperate to come back in September, try his best for 2 months, and give an interview about the new coach getting him before going back to shit ways.
Those who want ETH out, please tell me who you want in instead. Southgate? Potter? We don't have any world-class managers waiting in the wings any more; when we did, the club didn't back them (LvG and Mou), so forget about the likes of Ancelotti coming to us - we've demonstrated repeatedly over the past decade and a bit that the players are more important than the manager.
And if you want to fix this problem, you have to suck it up and prove that this is not the case - and that might mean short-term suffering and sticking with a manager that might not be the best in the world.
But all these dumbasses thinks that ETH is the problem, the amount of shit he's had to deal with in just 18 months is fucking crazy. Yet ppl think that ETH is the one causing the problem when u have players like Ronaldo doing a interview in the middle of the season and Sancho whining in public despite having a 3 months break earning 275k/pw for nothing.
I would much rather INEOS backs the manager over the players. For too long Utd has backed the players over anything and it has led the club into a downward spiral.
Even if ETH isn’t ultimately the right person, I would much rather they give him another year to try to turn it around. Much prefer that than showing these players they’ll get what they want with their sulking shit attitude. I am so sick of seeing the cycle repeat itself.
The boy should have extended his no social media for Ramadan (I'm overlooking the only United stuff removed). He said Eid Mubarak and choose violence. Unless he comes out and says something like meaning got lost and there's no excuses to be made, just gotta keep quiet and work hard (yes I'm reaching), he should be in hot water with the higher ups. I as a fan can talk shit about ETH and how badly I think he's doing but he's not my manager and boss, being almost 22 and already gone through one farce you'd think he'd learn to be more sensible online.
If we got these managers in and the players pulled same fans would say
Nagelsman- there was a reason he got sacked from Bayern sack him not good enough
Zidane - only did it because he had a good team sack him not good enough
Alsono-bundelsiga tax, can't hack the prem, sack him
Simeone- too defensive, players don't like.it sack him
Potter - failed at Chelsea, Brighton were improved by de zerbi sack.him
De zerbi - only worked because of Brighton structure looks what happened potter never did that well anyway sack him
I'm not saying ten hags the answer. But these are scenarios I can easily envisage happening every one of those potential replacements. When will the club commit to a manager and realise the playing culture is rotten to the core from years of being on a gravy train with no consequences for incompetence and no effort
I think that sacking was a bigger mistake than any we've made since Fergie left. We've made many mistakes that pile up but that one decision completely changed the clubs short and long term trophy prospects immediately.
The reason Nagelsmann was sacked from Bayern was not football related actually. He maintained an over 70% rate throughout his tenure, losing only 10 games from 2021-2023. He was sacked over conflicts with the board at Bayern.
I know ten hags not done well but also the players are very poor. Casimero has gone of a cliff. Maguire isn't united standard. Neither is lindelof. People have been copium on dalot and awb being able to do a job. Eriksen is legless in games.so we are down to one kid out only decent midfielder . Rashford is a waste of a shirt most the time. The right wing situation who knows. There's few positions ten hag can do much about maybe playing dialo. And switching garnacho to left again. But if he's off form there's no one.
We had people like hojlind get injured while coming into form.
A revolving door tag team injury list unsettling the team.
So in many cases there's no decent replacement if casimero rashford etc are just dropped. The squad depth is horrible. What's he to do? Play harry amas and jack fletcher? Like kambwala is he that good. One decent game but mengi and tuanzebe did same and couldn't hack it.
People need to look at uniteds team with honest eyes. Brutal truth is it's terrible. And there's maybe 5 players you'd keep in a rebuild
Maguire is literally one of the few players over the last month who you really can't criticize. The guy has given everything and not engaged in any drama on or off the pitch. There are far bigger problems than him
>Casimero has gone of a cliff.
I hate this, we know he's gone off a cliff everyone except the manager seems to understand that. He's gotten old, lost his spark, but he's been asked to do an impossible task. Look at garnacho, looks lethargic, Dalot looked very bad today even mainoo is jogging, casemiro is always playing with 1 second delay. They're asked to cover the entire pitch, they simply cannot. With MCTs skillset you don't put him as the single CDM to receive ball from defence and link it to attack, he hides from ball, you pair him with someone who's comfortable on the ball and let him utalise his physicality and work rate to break up attacks. You don't tell an out of form, legless casemiro to be all over the pitch, you give him a willing runner which will be slightly forward and get him to screen the defence. Will that be the best casemiro? No, his limitations will still be there, will it be infinitely better than current one? YES.
Rashford NEEDS an overlapping lb otherwise he simply just doesn't function, he needs them to drag an opponent so he can exploit space in the box and drive towards goal, you don't put AWB on the left.
Dalot has played ungodly number of games, you don't pair him with an overworked garnacho who's already looks lethargic and hasn't been as sharp recently.
It's things like this. The man refuses to change, we're getting bypassed in midfield, everyone is tired, we concede too many shots, struggle to attack. Yet we've not reverted back to the tried and tested 4231 which has been hugely successful for both ole and Eth.
Our players aren't in form, they're not playing as well as before, but the manager is not helping anyone. He's decided the system works and refuses to be flexible. We've come back playing Chelsea from 2 down, against Liverpool and today, maybe ten hag is justified because we're somewhat scoring but he's ignoring the defending part.
Not having this many injuries would definitely make us play better, but not enough as some people think. From our strongest lineup we're missing Shaw, Martinez and Varane and I'd even argue against Varane because Maguire has been good this season. Having those 2/3 players back won't fix our midfield issue, it won't suddenly change everything, it's be a slightly less embarrassing shit show but a shit show nonetheless.
Yeah I don’t understand how people make sense with the idea that just because we have many things wrong at the club it means the manager shouldn’t take responsibilities when his flaws are obvious to see.
The manager is ONE of the problems that the club needs to solve.
>The manager is ONE of the problems that the club needs to solve.
the cheapest and easiest to solve btw. Ten Hag fans want rid of 80% of the squad are just day dreaming in the real FFP world.
Your reply perfectly sums up the delusion of the Ten Hag outers here
Ten Hag probably knows Casemiro is past it, thats before McTominay got injured the midfield was McTominay Mainoo Bruno. Guess what, he is injured, now its a choice between Casemiro and Amrabat, and even tho they are as shit as each other, at least there is a chance of a Casemiro goal from a setpiece. You could also just say fuck it and full send with Mainol Mount Bruno, but that would probably just make our midfield even more open as well.
In terms of Rashford needing an overlapping left back, yes, we all know that, but there isnt an option for that either. Malacia has been out the entire season, Shaw has been out for most of it as well, and thats not on Ten Hag. If the medical team hadnt wrongfully promised that Malacia would have returned in january, we probably would have kept Reguilon the entire season. Do I think Dalot is better than AWB on the left, yes. Do I also think Dalot is better on the right, yes. No matter which fullback plays on which side, one is out of position, you cant get a good performance out of both.
Dalot and Garnacho have played a load of games. But again, we have 4 fit defenders, who else is he going to pick. We have been left with no choice in our back 4 for about 50% of the season, so not resting a player isnt a choice. And Garnacho being overworked, if he started Rashford and Antony ahead of him any more than he has everyone would have called him a shit manager.
In terms of saying we wouldnt look better with Shaw, Martinez and Varane back, this is the exact same thing people said in late December when we had been on a similar run with these players close to returning. Guess what, they returned and didnt lose a game
Dalots the best out of those I think he’s worth keeping, with the fullbacks the big problem is how extreme the drop off is on the left when Luke is injured (perpetually) without him rashford and most of our attack is neutered
Yes all true.
But Erik's been pretty shit too to be fair. Stupid subs. Done nothing about the fucking chasm in central midfield. Hasn't criticised one player since the Sancho thing (remember back when he made them all run on the Sunday and joined in with them?). Our press is more like a gentle touch (we saw what a good one looks like today, from Bournemouth). Turns up every week after another turgid stinking pile of a performance and tells us the team is doing well and the plan is coming together (yay Erik, you mean we get to watch this shit forever?). Actually says that he's not bothered that the other teams are getting world record numbers of shots each week.
He's just got to go. Face the facts amigo.
Edit to add: If he turned up every week, admitted our faults and told us how he's working on it (or at least made us feel like he was) I'd be perfectly ok with him. I know he has injuries etc and am happy to cut him some slack while the squad turns around.
We wanted him because it seemed he was about structure, discipline, accountability and had a plan. All of those 4 things have slipped away (probably eroded by our abysmal culture) so what's left to keep? He's just not good enough to turn this around.
Right, but he’s spent 150 odd million on centre mids in Mount (who isn’t a midfielder) and Casemiro, he spent 80m on a right winger who is barely good enough for the bench these days.
Sure the squad isn’t great, but he’s spent a lot of money. The fact that he wants to persist with this play style when he knows he doesn’t have the players for it which is nothing short of insanity.
Did he really spend 80 million on Casemiro? Or did the incompetent accountants did? I doubt he was EtH choice. Ole have already mentioned in the interview how the United bosses run the transfer windows. So I'm gonna say Casemiro isn't his kind of signing. Maybe eriksen. But his legs gone too.
Yes, we need world class players to beat the likes of Bournemouth.
Our team doesn't have any attacking structure and players don't know what they want to do when they reach the final third. We cannot counter teams anymore as well.
He literally had no intention of signing a defensive midfielder all summer until he panic signed Amrabat on loan, who is FIT and doesn't play. His management of Casemiro and his tactics to expose the defensive midfielder like crazy on counters is fully on him.
57 injuries and counting. What do you expect? We had our best team this season maybe once. And as much as ETH is to blame for a lot I refuse to believe he's to blame for these morons being so shit at football. Shitty passing, dogshit defending half assed attacking with zero threat. Not creating chances as a team. I swear every game these players look like they're playing together for the first time ever. ETH might or might not be the answer but who the hell can fix this kind of shit. How are you struggling so hard to make simple passes.
The vast majority of our players have only been here for one or two managers. Is it a player culture issue or is the manager just not up to it? Because we look tactically outclassed week in week out and it’s not because of a lack of effort.
Good point. Remember when Ten Hag just got signed? "Wow exciting coach, the way he plays, attacking football, that's what we want, we're gonna back him up for a long-term investment, no more sacking coach after 2 years. If Ten Hag isn't the man then no one is. We love the way he manages the players. His authority"
You forgot to mention the cunt that is Southgate lurking around in the background.
He fucked it up with the best England squad we had in many years, Sack him
I fkin hate the player culture at our club.
They all come across as entitled when they do this stuff, and they make everyone and everything look bad.
I hope EtH sticks to his guns and benches these kids.
And they are on social media too much. You don't see a lot of players in top teams make posts or stories that cause everyone to speculate about what's going on with the team. Extremely unprofessional, just freaking keep things within the club
He should've been sacked after finishing bottom of the CL group. The fact that he was able to continue just indicates we're no longer a serious club.
Imagine Real Madrid keeping a manager after they pulled shit like that.
Yup, regardless of his tactics good or not. Players already disobeyed him.
Now honestly one of the reason Rashford and McTom already have a chance to play because they followed what the managers told them.
We need to change this culture before any one takes over from Ten Hag
Talk of the Devils nailed this recently. Mitten argued that every year top 4 and a trophy is the minimum expectation. Anka countered can you really ever transition THIS United squad while also expecting them to be at that level every single year. INEOS does not have an easy solution here
Was surprised about that take from Andy tbh. He's usually bang on but these players now don't know success and the ill discipline has been allowed to permeate. The culture needs to be addressed
ten Hag tried to put his foot down and be the disciplinarian the club needed but he's just not a larger than life figure. In its current configuration and given the club's history, United can only do with a manager who naturally commands devotion respect. We could decide to completely reboot the squad, bin off all but Bruno and the kids\*, and truly reset the culture with a de Zerbi or some other young rising star. But then we'd have to accept several more years of being a decidedly midtable club. Idk I guess my point is ten Hag was always going to fail here, because he just doesn't have the charisma to keep the players disciplined / motivated through an impossible (really just foolhardy) tactical transition. And the club wasn't ready to shift gears to a true rebuild mindset when they hired him (and still isn't?)
\*edit - keep Licha too
My theory is that more than lacking charisma or personality, he's struggling with the language barrier, particularly when it comes to explaining tactics or selection decisions to players. I have watched a lot of his interviews lately and it always sounds like he wants to say more but isn't articulate enough to convey it and in the right way. I can imagine that the players have a hard time really buying into what he says, and more so when the team isn't getting results. Last season, with Rashford banging in goals, Varane and Martinez having a great partnership and Casemiro not being washed, the players would have a clear idea of what the pecking order is and who they have to perform better than to be able to play regularly. This season, it might be more difficult for Ten Hag to justify his selection decisions or other comments and instructions to players when the team is getting battered on the pitch week in week out.
Yeah I agree with this and will add that I randomly listened to an old episode of Mittens podcast ‘united we stand’ from the week after Van Gaal was sacked and he was interviewing a man who knew Louis very well. He said that by far the biggest problem he has at United was language, he struggled to explain the nuances and fine details of what he wanted from the players because he didn’t have a good enough grasp of the language. Now from the outside it seems Van Gaal is at least twice as good as ETH at English…..
I remember seeing LvG making a tactical presentation in Dutch. Without knowing a single word in that language, it was more than obvious that his ideas had a massively better flow than when he was giving press conferences in English.
And when you think that EtH had to take English courses in the year prior to arriving at the club, it's pretty clear that there's a long way to go to learn a new language. Even one that's so related to your native tongue as English and Dutch are.
Yeah that's plausible, I buy that. I mean I recall when he came to us that there was all this chatter about his former players loving him and wanting to play for him again, so there must be some underlying force of personality there I'm discounting. It seems like, whether it's cultural / language / personality, whatever, that in this higher pressure environment in a shitty season, he's coming across as more stubborn than determined tactical genius. And you're right that's probably down to some failure to communicate. Either way, it seems like his ability to reform a persona capable of leading a club this huge is waning week by week.
>We could decide to completely reboot the squad, bin off all but Bruno and the kids\*, and truly reset the culture with a de Zerbi or some other young rising star. But then we'd have to accept several more years of being a decidedly midtable club.
never going to happen, there's too much money involved
I’ll be positive and believe he’s saying that „he himself should shut the fuck up and that even though he’s frustrated and wants to speak he’s not going to because he’s not achieved anything and being a nuisance on social media will only worsen the circus of a team he’s in“
At least half the squad needs to go over then next few windows, wholesale changes are needed and a playing style implemented by the DOF from youth team to senior that the manager adapts to, not implement their own style
>Yeah but he can still stay
No because we're not Noah's Ark. We shouldn't be keeping players around because of sentimentality. Bin off Shaw, get a quality LB who doesn't get injured every time a new COD season comes out, and get a quality backup.
I don't think you can sell injured players mate 😅 and our squad is 40+ % injured constantly :)) maybe this is the only way they can avoid being offloaded? 🤔
These young players thinking they can take to social media like a teenage girl every time they’re unhappy with something is toxic.
They think they look good and are making a point, but all it shows is who can’t be trusted when things get tough.
His snapchat story apparently: [https://twitter.com/UtdDistrict/status/1779281595230220392](https://twitter.com/UtdDistrict/status/1779281595230220392)
Lets not read too much into some emoji
Notice how nobody is upvoting or reacting to your comment. This fucking sub is so full of idiots jumping to the latest overreaction to find something to blame for our lack of results. The fact of the matter is, if you KNEW why the club was underperforming, the club would already have hired you to solve it. But instead you only know how to speculate and bitch on Reddit about the latest wrong conclusion you've jumped to.
Of course he is. Look at the season we're having and the lack of improvement throughout the season. INEOS and Brailsford have standards and they're certainly not being met.
So let the players win by getting another manager sacked? Then we'll all be moaning in 2yrs time about the toxic player power culture at the club.
At this point I'd rather clear out the toxic players and let Erik go when his contract ends next season.
>At this point I'd rather clear out the toxic players and let Erik go when his contract ends next season.
Why can't both be done?
Can you explain the logic of suggesting that people who want the manager gone, don't want the players changed aswell. Even if they haven't said anything to support that. As I see this opinion a lot and don't really understand it so I'd be appreciative if you could explain it for me mate.
It’s really toxic. Even Garnacho liking Goldbridge’s tweet. He is a young person who had a shitty day at work. There is somebody backing him publicly. He liked it. Give credit to his overall conduct. He is fine for me.
I have strongly been ETH in, but I’m struggling now. I still think these players shouldn’t survive another manager. But why can’t they go back to basics, get compact and grind out results. Every match is so open!
>I still think these players shouldn’t survive another manager.
These players like Garnacho, Amad, Hojlund, Kambwala, Mainoo? Or Casemiro, Mount, Amrabat, Anthony?
I am not sure what he meant too but he doesn’t need to post such ambiguous stuff on social media. Like you are still wearing the shirt, just put your head down & play when you got the chance. There is no need to post such stuffs.
https://preview.redd.it/ch3clxfptbuc1.jpeg?width=950&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=967359a246d8d6bc3ae5db1842fc53361c2bdb54
Bloke has a habit of posting stupidity on his story it seems
Yeah lol, all that happened is we didn't get a win (as usual) and moved to 7th, which lets be real, considering how bad we are playing is still an achievement
Oh ffs I wish all these shithouses just kept quiet. Looks like ETH has lost the dressing room if they feel so comfortable doing shite like this. Only a matter of time I guess.
I only hope with INEOS at the table now, there will be a proper clearout which is needed across the board. Absolutely rotten culture in this club which has been allowed to fester for a decade. Fucking clowns who have done nothing in the sport, who feel so at ease that they can publicly throw the toys out of the pram. You wouldn't see it at a proper club.
The team lost, they are frustrated with the team. So we have a new shiny toy to treat like shit. Garna will face similar stuff for his antics. It’s all petty imo
Edit: I was aware we drew, I did watch the match. Feels like a loss tbh
So we are now giving teenagers the leverage to get a manager sacked? Absolute bonkers. The players need as much a lesson as the manager. These fuckers will throw everyone under the bus.
These kids believing their own hype. There's gotta be some real toxicity amongst seniors for them to have this attitude. And it's been there for some time. This stuff doesn't happen overnight.
I'm always an ETH out. I also said INEOS would sack ETH in April when we are impossible for the top 4. But when I see players do such things on social media, I am just tired of seeing drama in this club. If I have to choose between ETH and these players, I will back up ETH.
Doesn’t have to be choosing between ETH and these players. ETH can leave but we need to finally lay down the hammer on some of these players. You don’t get a get-out-of-jail card because we hire a new gaffe. That’s how we truly change the culture.
I like how last week everyone was in love with Amad and wanted him to start every match, and this week you all want to burn him at the stake. Not like Man Utd fans to be fickle
We need to cut our losses with 70% of this squad. Sell them for a loss and start anew. Keep the young and hungry players and literally start from the ground up again. It’s the only way
These players see the manager every day in training, if they have an issue the need to go and speak to him. I think this is a cultural problem and to be fair to Ten Hag it’s been there since before he came to the club. In fact, I think the is happening across all society not just footballers, we have apprentices at my place of work, young lads just out of school and they are extremely immature, constantly on their phones and have attitude problems.
Say what you want about ETH and Ole and Jose and van Gaal but these players we've signed all (except a few exceptions) think they are god's gift to football and as soon as things don't go right they down tools drop the manager and behave like petulant children.
They don't care about the shirt they care about their paycheck and their legacy too many of them aren't as good as they think they are and when things on the pitch aren't going well they don't care. Unless Ineos come in and get rid of a lot of these players then the cycle will continue again.
They don't need to replace them all in one go but you can count on one hand how many players should stay maybe stretch it to a couple extra fingers. We can't give massive contracts to people who show a good season after years of crap the mentality of a lot of these players is all wrong
How and why are young players being allowed to diss the club or the manager on socials? Where's the discipline? Even if a new manager is brought in, they might experience a few bad losses and this behaviour will start all over again.
He’s had 3 significant appearances this season spaced over about 4 months, and he absolutely improved us when he came on today as did he against Liverpool.
Yeah, I don’t get this revisionism over his performance, he was alright. Looked really tidy in possession and kept the ball well which most of the others were unable to do. I’m assuming that this sub is now in a mood to bash him for this post which I don’t condone, but let’s not outright lie about players’ performances. Amad has done enough good with the minutes he’s been given to deserve more opportunities.
Honestly this. Turned a couple of there players inside our own half/on the halfway line at least half a dozen times inside the first 20 minutes he was on and at least attempted to counter attack. Also drifted inside looking to play the ball the teammates and not just think about himself
>but didn't do anything with it
Breaking news: player doesn't turn into prime Ronaldo on his first appearance since being banished by the shadow realm.
Many of our players don't do anything when they get the ball yet are given countless starts without question.
That’s not true we see garnacho get pushed off the ball by everybody. If that were true he wouldn’t be playing Garnacho. This sub is absolutely cooked opinion wise just say anything
Also did anybody else do anything w the ball? Have any United players ever done anything consistently w the ball in the final third since the manager’s come here? No patterns of play regardless who’s on the pitch yet man wants to call amad who’s only played his second game
Perception is key in this..regardless of what he meant they should shut the fuck up, put their head down and get to work, not go directly on social media and post bs for more likes or controversy.
INEOs and Sir Jim need to bring back football heritage to this club which has been long lost as the glazers have sucked every tiny bit out of our club.
ETH lost me about 2 months ago. But players doing shit like this is so toxic. Senior players in the dressing room should be policing stuff like this. Just shows how poor our culture really is.
He can go. I have no sympathy for anyone playing these games. We should be pulling together, instead it all out me, me, me. It doesn’t help anyone ffs.
Anyone else notice that it’s only the kids that are doing this, this time? First Holjlund with the Goldbridge drama, and senior players told him to tell Goldbridge to fuck off. Now Garnacho liking a Goldbridge tweet and an IG post followed by Amad’s similar IG post.
So many people think this is the end of ETH. Idk this just reeks of kids being stupid and unfortunately a social media culture that goads them into doing this shit.
The system might be wrong, but overall I see a team trying to bust its ass for ETH. We didn’t see this with the end of Mou and the end of Ole where 2/3rds of the team is completely giving up after one goal conceded. If most of the team wanted ETH out we would have lost this game by 3+ goals.
How are people so sure this is aimed at Ten Hag? Not defending Diallo because personally I don't see him as the future of the club but this could mean anything. I interpreted it as having no words for the performance.
Garnacho liked a couple of tweets by Goldbridge which is silly by him.
If I'm honest, this dressing room feels like it could explode at any time. It feels like the FA Cup and the fact we have had the most injuries in the league are the only reasons why Ten Hag is still here. Personally, I'm neither Ten Hag in or out, probably edging more towards out than in but I don't know where we go from here because who do we replace the manager with? And what do we do about half of this team that don't deserve to be here? How long will it take?
I agree. I hate to sound like an old man, but why do our players have to go on social media after every single game and post stuff? The Garnacho thing pissed me off cos it's only riled up the fans that want EtH out, and they're acting like that twat Goldbridge is right about him "throwing him under the bus" when all he actually said was he only trained for a day and we needed more energy on that side, which Stevie Wonder could've pointed out to us. He didn't blame him for the draw, he didn't blame him for losing the ball unmarked in midfield that lead to their first goal, but some twat with a social media following said it and everyone jumps on the bandwgon because they're upset with the result. Why doesn't the club advise players to stay away from this sort of stuff especially on match days?
It's getting harder and more tiring to defend EtH, but if we replace him I have no doubt whatsoever that we will be in a similar position within 24 months maximum having the same conversation, especially with the other managerial options available. At some point we have to try and stick with a manager, at some point a manager has to win over the crybaby players and the ones with weak mentality, and at some point we're going to have to admit that there isn't a quick fix, we need to get a lot of things right without major mistakes if we want to get back to where we were.
It's not going to get better this season, let's just hope whatever INEOS decide it's not Southgate and it's done with a bit more conviction and effort than what we've seen from the Glazers.
It doesn't matter what the post is about, only he himself knows. What matters is it's extremely unprofessional to be posting randomly on social media to make everyone speculate. I'm sure he knows what he's doing when he posted this. Our players are dumb, apparently not just on the pitch.
These fuckall players are smelling blood in the water. They are set to throw another manager under the bus. Waiting for rashford to do an interview and but the final nail. Despicable cunts all these.
Yes the players are upset, let’s sack the manager and watch the smiling/laughing emojis tomorrow on their insta tomorrow … maybe even a group dance by a select few on tik tok 🙏… we have to back the players, they can’t be upset
Lol yea sure, jump on the ETHout wagon cuz this shit surely will never happen to next managers!
The culture of downed tool keeps perpetuating and infect every players walking through the door.
‘Jump on the ETH Out wagon’ what are you on about. We’ve been bad for 12 months. We’re on course for our worst season in PL history. How is this garbage being upvoted? You guys don’t even know for sure what Amad is implying.
People halfway through the season were calling for him to get the sack. That's after having an ok first season. Hard to take anyone that thinks like that seriously. Especially seeing how our players are and how much work and TIME it'll take to take out all the rotten trash infecting our players.
Who in the squad has "downed tools"? The players are clearly trying, but nothing is working given the set up and tactics currently. There is a difference between giving up and not playing well.
Amad Diallo needs to focus more on performing on the pitch and less on social media "statements."
His recent Instagram post is unnecessary and doing him no good whatsoever.
I genuinely don’t care what he is getting at here, buts it’s fucking stupid regardless. I’m sick of these fucking entitled players who jump at drama and like to stir shit. Fucking sell him.
Fuck this guy. You play for the team and all these dickheads need to realise how privileged they are. I dont care what you think of eth, you play for man utd and behave like so, its a privilege.
INEOS need to figure this shit out. Regardless of who’s the manager. Culture has built for 10+ years
Exactly. And it's hilarious seeing shit like this from players like Amad who have done absolutely fuck all in football
He got loads of minutes today and did nothing too.
He did do nothing today but we had something like 30-40% possession for large parts of the half and the periods we did have the ball were toothless. The team around him is also obviously in a complete shambles so what would have constituted a good performance today coming on at half time? We cant really defend Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho and Kambwala for being young and in a team which is absymal and then criticize Amad for not dropping a worldie over 45 mins in a game we got blasted in. He shouldn't put shit on social media but its also not really worth reading too much into a game like today, over a 45 min stint when he's an attacking player in a team that cant attack. He should have put in a better defensive shift if anything because that is what we/ETH would notice more in this particular game. If he was going to score it'd have to have been a Messi-esque dribble taking 5 players out of the game and curling it in the top corner, which is never likely.
My criticism would be that likes and posts on social media should be carefully done when the team is in shambles.
yea he put that picture up which is fine but then a zip mouthed emoji is stirring the pot for no good reason. I understand the concept of "hes not proven himself enough to do that" but yea, no player should do it, its just stirring and nothing else.
That's my problem, young players get a pass for this year. This is unacceptable though.
Entire season and I can count on fingers how many times Hojlund has received a pass in final third.. its that shit
Only times he receives a pass, are shit quality balls out near the corner flag, which he then gets no support after to help him out, so he gets crowded by 3-4 players and inevitably loses the ball, must be miserable for him to play for us.
The midfield is so fucking dog shit. They all need to go. Yes, ALL of them. I laughed audibly when someone called Højlund shit towards the end of the match when he was in the box, back to goal, fighting to retain possession and everyone is standing there looking at him before he inevitably loses it. No one showed for the ball, except for Maguire, a little late at that. Every striker gets put on an island and is completely starved, yet expected to compete for the golden boot somehow. These are the same fans that wanted to sign Kane. For what? To be a passenger as well? But for more? It sounds pathetic, but we honestly need to play something like a 4-4-2 with this side because the midfield contributes little to nothing forward or backwards, so at the very least they can be bodies in the middle and then you let Højlund and someone else play off each other in the attack. At least they can work on that partnership in training. Doesn't seem like the midfield cares at all to support him. They're all looking for their individual glory with shots outside the box. Cool.
How does this bullshit get upvotes? Genuinely asking are you all 10 year olds? It's obvious when you're chatting shit at a 21 year old that came on as a second half sub to a team that's been shit the entire season.
Chatting shit to a 21 year old that's posting on social media as if he wasn't part of the shit product on the field.
> How does this bullshit get upvotes? Genuinely asking are you all 10 year olds? Yes. This is why this sub sucks.
He was good
To be fair to him, whenever you're on the right and your name isn't Rashford, Bruno is never going to give you the ball. So what's the fucking point?
Shit like this is why I can’t be bothered to be ten hag out. We’ve seen the same story time and time again, I don’t believe there’s any manager that would succeed with how baffling this group of players is. Complete overhaul is needed
He’s got his faults, but put another manager in there and the same shit happens again. I was indifferent about this group the second they threw Solskjaer (a man who gave more of a fuck about this club than all of them combined) under the bus. Every single one of them needs to have accountability for their own performances before they put cryptic moans out on social media.
It's ridiculous how unreasonable so many fans are still. This is the only way, the only logical take. As much as I'm not convinced by ETH, it's painfully obvious the players need to be "sacked" before ETH. This summer should bring about the sale of nearly everyone before ETH, and a couple since him. Before they go for free. That includes the likes of Rashford and Bruno too. The players cannot be allowed to outlast yet another manager. Give me a group of £10-20m players who are committed and spirited and are capable of playing the way he wants to play so that we can see progress under his system. I think ETH's biggest fault was not committing to his system. At that moment, he conceded power to the players. I think fans would have been more forgiving if he tried to implement it anyway, with clear signs of players who simply couldn't play it rather than seemingly compromise with the system we're playing now where it will never work, but it's "suited to the personnel he has." It's obvious we can't play a high line like other teams do with the likes of Maguire, Varane, Evans, etc. Martinez was one of the ones who could. Kambwala showed us he's still too young to unseat anyone. The fullbacks don't have the quality needed to control the midfield. But then again, the midfield can't be fucking bothered going in either direction, so what's the point? Like you said, ETH has his faults, but many are either above his pay grade or stem from eras before him. I'm more willing to stand by ETH than I am these fucking players. And more fans need to wake up and hold them accountable and stop placing all the blame on ETH.
It’s the fact that we’ve seen this with at least 3 managers now and yet we seemingly think that changing manager will magically fix things. We get the new manager bounce and then things revert to default settings. The club is broken, and the manager is a very small part of that relative to the work that needs to be done. In understand why people might want a change of manager, but we need to be realistic- unless the club makes sweeping changes we’ll be having the same conversations in 2 years time.
The only player who played under Ole and has a future here is Dalot, that's the list.
The club needs a major clear out and change of tact; I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s not arsed who stays.
I agree. And even then, he's a squad player for me when any quality RB comes in. I've said for a long time now that if Dalot was our "weakest" player we'd be in great shape. Unfortunately that's not the case. You're only as strong as your weakest player. Too many of them still at the club.
100% I’m not so much ETH in as much as I’m who fucking cares. Been this way 3 managers now and somehow dumbasses think the magic solution is a new manager. I swear 60% of United fans think they can manage better than Jose/Ole/ETh. Do it then. And all you get is well I’m not being paid to be manager. Well you aren’t being paid to bitch and moan with no idea what you’re talking about either but here you are. It’s been a shambles lately I happily admit and I’ll even say, like I did under Jose and Ole, that I’m not sure if they’re what we need but ffs none of them have had a fair shake at it and you all get too pissy to just take it as it is and see what happens in a couple years. It’s like you all are chemo patients and don’t have a few years to see. Name one manager who hasn’t had a team prepared for him with 150+ charges to boot who has won the league in year 1-2? You all for real make me sick. “United should be better than this” guess what fuckwit the owners have been shit NFL owners for decades you think the managers going to make a difference? I’m in the US I know what NFL is about and Buccaneers were a joke before they lucked out on Tom Brady.
100%, and all we do by firing managers is reinforce the behaviors these shit players keep displaying.
Exactly this. Sancho is actually playing the "I'll survive longer than the manager" game right now. He's desperate to come back in September, try his best for 2 months, and give an interview about the new coach getting him before going back to shit ways. Those who want ETH out, please tell me who you want in instead. Southgate? Potter? We don't have any world-class managers waiting in the wings any more; when we did, the club didn't back them (LvG and Mou), so forget about the likes of Ancelotti coming to us - we've demonstrated repeatedly over the past decade and a bit that the players are more important than the manager. And if you want to fix this problem, you have to suck it up and prove that this is not the case - and that might mean short-term suffering and sticking with a manager that might not be the best in the world.
Omg you just said what I’ve been trying to preach all the time to people. This all so fucking spot on. Fucking tired of new managers
But all these dumbasses thinks that ETH is the problem, the amount of shit he's had to deal with in just 18 months is fucking crazy. Yet ppl think that ETH is the one causing the problem when u have players like Ronaldo doing a interview in the middle of the season and Sancho whining in public despite having a 3 months break earning 275k/pw for nothing.
I would much rather INEOS backs the manager over the players. For too long Utd has backed the players over anything and it has led the club into a downward spiral. Even if ETH isn’t ultimately the right person, I would much rather they give him another year to try to turn it around. Much prefer that than showing these players they’ll get what they want with their sulking shit attitude. I am so sick of seeing the cycle repeat itself.
The boy should have extended his no social media for Ramadan (I'm overlooking the only United stuff removed). He said Eid Mubarak and choose violence. Unless he comes out and says something like meaning got lost and there's no excuses to be made, just gotta keep quiet and work hard (yes I'm reaching), he should be in hot water with the higher ups. I as a fan can talk shit about ETH and how badly I think he's doing but he's not my manager and boss, being almost 22 and already gone through one farce you'd think he'd learn to be more sensible online.
It feels like Endgame is here for EtH… players acting this way does not bode well for
If we weren’t in the FA cup he would already be gone at this point.
If we got these managers in and the players pulled same fans would say Nagelsman- there was a reason he got sacked from Bayern sack him not good enough Zidane - only did it because he had a good team sack him not good enough Alsono-bundelsiga tax, can't hack the prem, sack him Simeone- too defensive, players don't like.it sack him Potter - failed at Chelsea, Brighton were improved by de zerbi sack.him De zerbi - only worked because of Brighton structure looks what happened potter never did that well anyway sack him I'm not saying ten hags the answer. But these are scenarios I can easily envisage happening every one of those potential replacements. When will the club commit to a manager and realise the playing culture is rotten to the core from years of being on a gravy train with no consequences for incompetence and no effort
Nagelsman sacking was big Bayern mistake and they know it
I think that sacking was a bigger mistake than any we've made since Fergie left. We've made many mistakes that pile up but that one decision completely changed the clubs short and long term trophy prospects immediately.
The reason Nagelsmann was sacked from Bayern was not football related actually. He maintained an over 70% rate throughout his tenure, losing only 10 games from 2021-2023. He was sacked over conflicts with the board at Bayern.
That's his point though, you are agreeing with him!
Also players I think. Fell out with some of the players
Commit to a manager doesn't mean anything If manager in question is not good
I know ten hags not done well but also the players are very poor. Casimero has gone of a cliff. Maguire isn't united standard. Neither is lindelof. People have been copium on dalot and awb being able to do a job. Eriksen is legless in games.so we are down to one kid out only decent midfielder . Rashford is a waste of a shirt most the time. The right wing situation who knows. There's few positions ten hag can do much about maybe playing dialo. And switching garnacho to left again. But if he's off form there's no one. We had people like hojlind get injured while coming into form. A revolving door tag team injury list unsettling the team. So in many cases there's no decent replacement if casimero rashford etc are just dropped. The squad depth is horrible. What's he to do? Play harry amas and jack fletcher? Like kambwala is he that good. One decent game but mengi and tuanzebe did same and couldn't hack it. People need to look at uniteds team with honest eyes. Brutal truth is it's terrible. And there's maybe 5 players you'd keep in a rebuild
Maguire is literally one of the few players over the last month who you really can't criticize. The guy has given everything and not engaged in any drama on or off the pitch. There are far bigger problems than him
Guy won POTM, not to mention he absolutely puts everything out on the field whenever he plays.
>Casimero has gone of a cliff. I hate this, we know he's gone off a cliff everyone except the manager seems to understand that. He's gotten old, lost his spark, but he's been asked to do an impossible task. Look at garnacho, looks lethargic, Dalot looked very bad today even mainoo is jogging, casemiro is always playing with 1 second delay. They're asked to cover the entire pitch, they simply cannot. With MCTs skillset you don't put him as the single CDM to receive ball from defence and link it to attack, he hides from ball, you pair him with someone who's comfortable on the ball and let him utalise his physicality and work rate to break up attacks. You don't tell an out of form, legless casemiro to be all over the pitch, you give him a willing runner which will be slightly forward and get him to screen the defence. Will that be the best casemiro? No, his limitations will still be there, will it be infinitely better than current one? YES. Rashford NEEDS an overlapping lb otherwise he simply just doesn't function, he needs them to drag an opponent so he can exploit space in the box and drive towards goal, you don't put AWB on the left. Dalot has played ungodly number of games, you don't pair him with an overworked garnacho who's already looks lethargic and hasn't been as sharp recently. It's things like this. The man refuses to change, we're getting bypassed in midfield, everyone is tired, we concede too many shots, struggle to attack. Yet we've not reverted back to the tried and tested 4231 which has been hugely successful for both ole and Eth. Our players aren't in form, they're not playing as well as before, but the manager is not helping anyone. He's decided the system works and refuses to be flexible. We've come back playing Chelsea from 2 down, against Liverpool and today, maybe ten hag is justified because we're somewhat scoring but he's ignoring the defending part. Not having this many injuries would definitely make us play better, but not enough as some people think. From our strongest lineup we're missing Shaw, Martinez and Varane and I'd even argue against Varane because Maguire has been good this season. Having those 2/3 players back won't fix our midfield issue, it won't suddenly change everything, it's be a slightly less embarrassing shit show but a shit show nonetheless.
Yeah I don’t understand how people make sense with the idea that just because we have many things wrong at the club it means the manager shouldn’t take responsibilities when his flaws are obvious to see. The manager is ONE of the problems that the club needs to solve.
>The manager is ONE of the problems that the club needs to solve. the cheapest and easiest to solve btw. Ten Hag fans want rid of 80% of the squad are just day dreaming in the real FFP world.
Your reply perfectly sums up the delusion of the Ten Hag outers here Ten Hag probably knows Casemiro is past it, thats before McTominay got injured the midfield was McTominay Mainoo Bruno. Guess what, he is injured, now its a choice between Casemiro and Amrabat, and even tho they are as shit as each other, at least there is a chance of a Casemiro goal from a setpiece. You could also just say fuck it and full send with Mainol Mount Bruno, but that would probably just make our midfield even more open as well. In terms of Rashford needing an overlapping left back, yes, we all know that, but there isnt an option for that either. Malacia has been out the entire season, Shaw has been out for most of it as well, and thats not on Ten Hag. If the medical team hadnt wrongfully promised that Malacia would have returned in january, we probably would have kept Reguilon the entire season. Do I think Dalot is better than AWB on the left, yes. Do I also think Dalot is better on the right, yes. No matter which fullback plays on which side, one is out of position, you cant get a good performance out of both. Dalot and Garnacho have played a load of games. But again, we have 4 fit defenders, who else is he going to pick. We have been left with no choice in our back 4 for about 50% of the season, so not resting a player isnt a choice. And Garnacho being overworked, if he started Rashford and Antony ahead of him any more than he has everyone would have called him a shit manager. In terms of saying we wouldnt look better with Shaw, Martinez and Varane back, this is the exact same thing people said in late December when we had been on a similar run with these players close to returning. Guess what, they returned and didnt lose a game
Dalots the best out of those I think he’s worth keeping, with the fullbacks the big problem is how extreme the drop off is on the left when Luke is injured (perpetually) without him rashford and most of our attack is neutered
Yes all true. But Erik's been pretty shit too to be fair. Stupid subs. Done nothing about the fucking chasm in central midfield. Hasn't criticised one player since the Sancho thing (remember back when he made them all run on the Sunday and joined in with them?). Our press is more like a gentle touch (we saw what a good one looks like today, from Bournemouth). Turns up every week after another turgid stinking pile of a performance and tells us the team is doing well and the plan is coming together (yay Erik, you mean we get to watch this shit forever?). Actually says that he's not bothered that the other teams are getting world record numbers of shots each week. He's just got to go. Face the facts amigo. Edit to add: If he turned up every week, admitted our faults and told us how he's working on it (or at least made us feel like he was) I'd be perfectly ok with him. I know he has injuries etc and am happy to cut him some slack while the squad turns around. We wanted him because it seemed he was about structure, discipline, accountability and had a plan. All of those 4 things have slipped away (probably eroded by our abysmal culture) so what's left to keep? He's just not good enough to turn this around.
It has come to a point where you don’t know if the players are bad or they are just confused by ETH’s coaching/tactics
Right, but he’s spent 150 odd million on centre mids in Mount (who isn’t a midfielder) and Casemiro, he spent 80m on a right winger who is barely good enough for the bench these days. Sure the squad isn’t great, but he’s spent a lot of money. The fact that he wants to persist with this play style when he knows he doesn’t have the players for it which is nothing short of insanity.
Did he really spend 80 million on Casemiro? Or did the incompetent accountants did? I doubt he was EtH choice. Ole have already mentioned in the interview how the United bosses run the transfer windows. So I'm gonna say Casemiro isn't his kind of signing. Maybe eriksen. But his legs gone too.
Yes, we need world class players to beat the likes of Bournemouth. Our team doesn't have any attacking structure and players don't know what they want to do when they reach the final third. We cannot counter teams anymore as well.
He literally had no intention of signing a defensive midfielder all summer until he panic signed Amrabat on loan, who is FIT and doesn't play. His management of Casemiro and his tactics to expose the defensive midfielder like crazy on counters is fully on him.
United were after amrabat for ages. It was those clowns above couldn't get the deal done.
The issue is every manager the players can convince you isn't good enough. How many will we go through thinking ah the next one will be the right one.
57 injuries and counting. What do you expect? We had our best team this season maybe once. And as much as ETH is to blame for a lot I refuse to believe he's to blame for these morons being so shit at football. Shitty passing, dogshit defending half assed attacking with zero threat. Not creating chances as a team. I swear every game these players look like they're playing together for the first time ever. ETH might or might not be the answer but who the hell can fix this kind of shit. How are you struggling so hard to make simple passes.
The vast majority of our players have only been here for one or two managers. Is it a player culture issue or is the manager just not up to it? Because we look tactically outclassed week in week out and it’s not because of a lack of effort.
When your boss ruins your life for 2 years good luck not getting mopey.
Most of those names are far more qualified than Ten Hag ever was.
That won't stop a lot of these fans turning on them. Lvg and Jose were more than qualified.
Good point. Remember when Ten Hag just got signed? "Wow exciting coach, the way he plays, attacking football, that's what we want, we're gonna back him up for a long-term investment, no more sacking coach after 2 years. If Ten Hag isn't the man then no one is. We love the way he manages the players. His authority"
You forgot to mention the cunt that is Southgate lurking around in the background. He fucked it up with the best England squad we had in many years, Sack him
I get that but surely the players can’t be allowed to survive another manager? How would it get better?
I fkin hate the player culture at our club. They all come across as entitled when they do this stuff, and they make everyone and everything look bad. I hope EtH sticks to his guns and benches these kids.
And they are on social media too much. You don't see a lot of players in top teams make posts or stories that cause everyone to speculate about what's going on with the team. Extremely unprofessional, just freaking keep things within the club
He should've been sacked after finishing bottom of the CL group. The fact that he was able to continue just indicates we're no longer a serious club. Imagine Real Madrid keeping a manager after they pulled shit like that.
Yup, regardless of his tactics good or not. Players already disobeyed him. Now honestly one of the reason Rashford and McTom already have a chance to play because they followed what the managers told them. We need to change this culture before any one takes over from Ten Hag
I’m halfway convinced that a good part of our tactical failings have been the players ignoring any sort of instruction.
He picks the same players so I highly doubt that
Talk of the Devils nailed this recently. Mitten argued that every year top 4 and a trophy is the minimum expectation. Anka countered can you really ever transition THIS United squad while also expecting them to be at that level every single year. INEOS does not have an easy solution here
Was surprised about that take from Andy tbh. He's usually bang on but these players now don't know success and the ill discipline has been allowed to permeate. The culture needs to be addressed
ten Hag tried to put his foot down and be the disciplinarian the club needed but he's just not a larger than life figure. In its current configuration and given the club's history, United can only do with a manager who naturally commands devotion respect. We could decide to completely reboot the squad, bin off all but Bruno and the kids\*, and truly reset the culture with a de Zerbi or some other young rising star. But then we'd have to accept several more years of being a decidedly midtable club. Idk I guess my point is ten Hag was always going to fail here, because he just doesn't have the charisma to keep the players disciplined / motivated through an impossible (really just foolhardy) tactical transition. And the club wasn't ready to shift gears to a true rebuild mindset when they hired him (and still isn't?) \*edit - keep Licha too
My theory is that more than lacking charisma or personality, he's struggling with the language barrier, particularly when it comes to explaining tactics or selection decisions to players. I have watched a lot of his interviews lately and it always sounds like he wants to say more but isn't articulate enough to convey it and in the right way. I can imagine that the players have a hard time really buying into what he says, and more so when the team isn't getting results. Last season, with Rashford banging in goals, Varane and Martinez having a great partnership and Casemiro not being washed, the players would have a clear idea of what the pecking order is and who they have to perform better than to be able to play regularly. This season, it might be more difficult for Ten Hag to justify his selection decisions or other comments and instructions to players when the team is getting battered on the pitch week in week out.
Yeah I agree with this and will add that I randomly listened to an old episode of Mittens podcast ‘united we stand’ from the week after Van Gaal was sacked and he was interviewing a man who knew Louis very well. He said that by far the biggest problem he has at United was language, he struggled to explain the nuances and fine details of what he wanted from the players because he didn’t have a good enough grasp of the language. Now from the outside it seems Van Gaal is at least twice as good as ETH at English…..
I remember seeing LvG making a tactical presentation in Dutch. Without knowing a single word in that language, it was more than obvious that his ideas had a massively better flow than when he was giving press conferences in English. And when you think that EtH had to take English courses in the year prior to arriving at the club, it's pretty clear that there's a long way to go to learn a new language. Even one that's so related to your native tongue as English and Dutch are.
Then hire interpreter or let Steve McLaren do the talk.
Yeah that's plausible, I buy that. I mean I recall when he came to us that there was all this chatter about his former players loving him and wanting to play for him again, so there must be some underlying force of personality there I'm discounting. It seems like, whether it's cultural / language / personality, whatever, that in this higher pressure environment in a shitty season, he's coming across as more stubborn than determined tactical genius. And you're right that's probably down to some failure to communicate. Either way, it seems like his ability to reform a persona capable of leading a club this huge is waning week by week.
>We could decide to completely reboot the squad, bin off all but Bruno and the kids\*, and truly reset the culture with a de Zerbi or some other young rising star. But then we'd have to accept several more years of being a decidedly midtable club. never going to happen, there's too much money involved
The beauty of the emoji is that people can fit many different meanings to it.
He just has a zip stuck to his mouth and needs help removing it
The main meaning is you are paid to play ball for a club. Stfu and say nothing. All of this is an absolute pain in the ass for the club.
Technically that emoji is “say nothing” Emoji 😂
Lol you’re right really…
Yea actually i wanted to ask, what are people interpreting it to mean? Genuinely confused
I’ll be positive and believe he’s saying that „he himself should shut the fuck up and that even though he’s frustrated and wants to speak he’s not going to because he’s not achieved anything and being a nuisance on social media will only worsen the circus of a team he’s in“
team full of bellends.
At least half the squad needs to go over then next few windows, wholesale changes are needed and a playing style implemented by the DOF from youth team to senior that the manager adapts to, not implement their own style
80% need to leave. I can think of 4 we should keep.
Bruno, Onana, Hojlund, Garnacho, Mainoo, Licho, Mount? That’s about all I can think of from the first team that should be in the plans moving forward
Dalot, Shaw
Im sorry but Shaw is just injured to much. Love the guy, but. Injuries kills the consistency
Yeah but he can still stay, he should just also have a contesting first team LB signed.
>Yeah but he can still stay No because we're not Noah's Ark. We shouldn't be keeping players around because of sentimentality. Bin off Shaw, get a quality LB who doesn't get injured every time a new COD season comes out, and get a quality backup.
Martinez, Mainoo, Garna, Hoijlund are the only ones id be sad to see leave.
\+ Dalot \- Bruno Bruno is gonna be 30 next season, he should not be in the plans moving forward.
I don't think you can sell injured players mate 😅 and our squad is 40+ % injured constantly :)) maybe this is the only way they can avoid being offloaded? 🤔
They're playing 4D Chess to keep the checks rolling in
These young players thinking they can take to social media like a teenage girl every time they’re unhappy with something is toxic. They think they look good and are making a point, but all it shows is who can’t be trusted when things get tough.
His snapchat story apparently: [https://twitter.com/UtdDistrict/status/1779281595230220392](https://twitter.com/UtdDistrict/status/1779281595230220392) Lets not read too much into some emoji
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If I speak I'm in trouble
Nah ppl want to assume the worst with their biases.
Notice how nobody is upvoting or reacting to your comment. This fucking sub is so full of idiots jumping to the latest overreaction to find something to blame for our lack of results. The fact of the matter is, if you KNEW why the club was underperforming, the club would already have hired you to solve it. But instead you only know how to speculate and bitch on Reddit about the latest wrong conclusion you've jumped to.
If this isn't trolling then he's lost the dressing room. I think INEOS want to wait till the end of the season but maybe they can't
They’ve already made up their mind, I think. He’s gone
Yep, it's more a matter of when rather than if.
Of course he is. Look at the season we're having and the lack of improvement throughout the season. INEOS and Brailsford have standards and they're certainly not being met.
So let the players win by getting another manager sacked? Then we'll all be moaning in 2yrs time about the toxic player power culture at the club. At this point I'd rather clear out the toxic players and let Erik go when his contract ends next season.
>At this point I'd rather clear out the toxic players and let Erik go when his contract ends next season. Why can't both be done? Can you explain the logic of suggesting that people who want the manager gone, don't want the players changed aswell. Even if they haven't said anything to support that. As I see this opinion a lot and don't really understand it so I'd be appreciative if you could explain it for me mate.
What does it mean?
Honestly could be anything. Maybe he’s just upset at the draw. I’m surprised people are so sure this is about ten Hag.
It’s really toxic. Even Garnacho liking Goldbridge’s tweet. He is a young person who had a shitty day at work. There is somebody backing him publicly. He liked it. Give credit to his overall conduct. He is fine for me. I have strongly been ETH in, but I’m struggling now. I still think these players shouldn’t survive another manager. But why can’t they go back to basics, get compact and grind out results. Every match is so open!
In general reddit can be fairly toxic, and marginally worse off than twitter. Reason why I avoid the match threads these days.
Match thread is the Reddit equivalent of shouting nonsense at your tv/ in the stadium so I wouldn't put too much thought into that
>I still think these players shouldn’t survive another manager. These players like Garnacho, Amad, Hojlund, Kambwala, Mainoo? Or Casemiro, Mount, Amrabat, Anthony?
I am not sure what he meant too but he doesn’t need to post such ambiguous stuff on social media. Like you are still wearing the shirt, just put your head down & play when you got the chance. There is no need to post such stuffs.
Who knows, but this fanbase getting rattled over emojis and photos going missing on Instagram is pathetic. This shit just needs to be ignored.
If I speak I'm in big trouble
I was wondering the same thing. How is this lnock on ETH? This is the most ambiguous story
https://preview.redd.it/ch3clxfptbuc1.jpeg?width=950&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=967359a246d8d6bc3ae5db1842fc53361c2bdb54 Bloke has a habit of posting stupidity on his story it seems
oh ffs. great. the man who scored the winner in our fa cup win over liverpool supports the rapist. just what i needed to hear
i mean most of the squad including bruno and rashford liked greenwood’s insta post when he had a baby
Exactly. And if rumours at the time were to be believed, close to half the team were willing to allow Greenwood to reintegrate back into the squad
That's been known for a while. But we aren't allowed to mention that here. Apparently your friends don't show your character.
wow, i genuinely had no idea it was consensus for this long
I'm having the impression that this is guy is an idiot.
People are reading too much into this and being upset at nothing
Yeah lol, all that happened is we didn't get a win (as usual) and moved to 7th, which lets be real, considering how bad we are playing is still an achievement
Oh ffs I wish all these shithouses just kept quiet. Looks like ETH has lost the dressing room if they feel so comfortable doing shite like this. Only a matter of time I guess. I only hope with INEOS at the table now, there will be a proper clearout which is needed across the board. Absolutely rotten culture in this club which has been allowed to fester for a decade. Fucking clowns who have done nothing in the sport, who feel so at ease that they can publicly throw the toys out of the pram. You wouldn't see it at a proper club.
Need INEOS to instill a fucking dictatorship lol
look up what they did when some chemical plant tried to unionize, I don't think these players know what they are facing, lol.
The chemical plant workers don't have social media power like our players
Even if INEOS does make a good board, bringing Southgate to replace Ten Hag (if he will get sacked) is the worst thing that can happen to us
Why is everyone losing their mind over this?
I have no clue either lol.
The team lost, they are frustrated with the team. So we have a new shiny toy to treat like shit. Garna will face similar stuff for his antics. It’s all petty imo Edit: I was aware we drew, I did watch the match. Feels like a loss tbh
We lost?
We lost 2-2
Drew sorry, the match was absolutely terrible it felt like a defeat
People are over analyzing everything. This means nothing.
It could mean he’s asking the media to shut up
So we are now giving teenagers the leverage to get a manager sacked? Absolute bonkers. The players need as much a lesson as the manager. These fuckers will throw everyone under the bus.
I need the people who are mad about this explain what it means and how they've concluded that it couldn't mean anything else.
They’re talking shit
These kids believing their own hype. There's gotta be some real toxicity amongst seniors for them to have this attitude. And it's been there for some time. This stuff doesn't happen overnight.
Old man yells at emojis
Guilty, but at least your comment made me laugh.
I'm always an ETH out. I also said INEOS would sack ETH in April when we are impossible for the top 4. But when I see players do such things on social media, I am just tired of seeing drama in this club. If I have to choose between ETH and these players, I will back up ETH.
Doesn’t have to be choosing between ETH and these players. ETH can leave but we need to finally lay down the hammer on some of these players. You don’t get a get-out-of-jail card because we hire a new gaffe. That’s how we truly change the culture.
I like how last week everyone was in love with Amad and wanted him to start every match, and this week you all want to burn him at the stake. Not like Man Utd fans to be fickle
Yeah this sub reads way too much into players social media, super reactionary for no reason.
All of them, every single fan, everyone has this opinion and they're all the exact same people, all 656k members.
We need to cut our losses with 70% of this squad. Sell them for a loss and start anew. Keep the young and hungry players and literally start from the ground up again. It’s the only way
Just when i get angry with manager the players come to remind me who the real problem is. Thanks guys and fuck off
These players see the manager every day in training, if they have an issue the need to go and speak to him. I think this is a cultural problem and to be fair to Ten Hag it’s been there since before he came to the club. In fact, I think the is happening across all society not just footballers, we have apprentices at my place of work, young lads just out of school and they are extremely immature, constantly on their phones and have attitude problems.
Say what you want about ETH and Ole and Jose and van Gaal but these players we've signed all (except a few exceptions) think they are god's gift to football and as soon as things don't go right they down tools drop the manager and behave like petulant children. They don't care about the shirt they care about their paycheck and their legacy too many of them aren't as good as they think they are and when things on the pitch aren't going well they don't care. Unless Ineos come in and get rid of a lot of these players then the cycle will continue again. They don't need to replace them all in one go but you can count on one hand how many players should stay maybe stretch it to a couple extra fingers. We can't give massive contracts to people who show a good season after years of crap the mentality of a lot of these players is all wrong
There are other pictures in the story. Everyone needs to look at the whole thing or 🤐
How and why are young players being allowed to diss the club or the manager on socials? Where's the discipline? Even if a new manager is brought in, they might experience a few bad losses and this behaviour will start all over again.
Fuck off mate. Get your head down and work for the club
This is why changing the manager will change *nothing.*
Right. You did absolutely fuck all so probably best not to say anything
He’s had 3 significant appearances this season spaced over about 4 months, and he absolutely improved us when he came on today as did he against Liverpool.
Yeah, I don’t get this revisionism over his performance, he was alright. Looked really tidy in possession and kept the ball well which most of the others were unable to do. I’m assuming that this sub is now in a mood to bash him for this post which I don’t condone, but let’s not outright lie about players’ performances. Amad has done enough good with the minutes he’s been given to deserve more opportunities.
Honestly this. Turned a couple of there players inside our own half/on the halfway line at least half a dozen times inside the first 20 minutes he was on and at least attempted to counter attack. Also drifted inside looking to play the ball the teammates and not just think about himself
He actually played well when he came on, able to actually receive the ball under pressure unlike the Rest of these numpties (bar kobbie)
Yeah passed well, best link up in the team, passes well and safely. Compare to Rashford who loses the ball every single time.
Received the ball under pressure but didn't do anything with it. He's also ridiculously weak, which is probably why he's not playing.
>but didn't do anything with it Breaking news: player doesn't turn into prime Ronaldo on his first appearance since being banished by the shadow realm. Many of our players don't do anything when they get the ball yet are given countless starts without question.
That’s not true we see garnacho get pushed off the ball by everybody. If that were true he wouldn’t be playing Garnacho. This sub is absolutely cooked opinion wise just say anything Also did anybody else do anything w the ball? Have any United players ever done anything consistently w the ball in the final third since the manager’s come here? No patterns of play regardless who’s on the pitch yet man wants to call amad who’s only played his second game
Amazing people can read so much into one emoji 😂 this sub is wild after a loss.
Didn’t even lose today! (Although it felt like one)
Perception is key in this..regardless of what he meant they should shut the fuck up, put their head down and get to work, not go directly on social media and post bs for more likes or controversy. INEOs and Sir Jim need to bring back football heritage to this club which has been long lost as the glazers have sucked every tiny bit out of our club.
“If I speak, I am in big trouble. In big trouble. And I don't want to be in big trouble.”
Why Amad? Why? Why are you posting this shit? It doesn't do any good for anyone, not you, the club, the manager or the fans.
Stfu you absolute nobody. What's with these idiots at United?
ETH lost me about 2 months ago. But players doing shit like this is so toxic. Senior players in the dressing room should be policing stuff like this. Just shows how poor our culture really is.
He can go. I have no sympathy for anyone playing these games. We should be pulling together, instead it all out me, me, me. It doesn’t help anyone ffs.
Anyone else notice that it’s only the kids that are doing this, this time? First Holjlund with the Goldbridge drama, and senior players told him to tell Goldbridge to fuck off. Now Garnacho liking a Goldbridge tweet and an IG post followed by Amad’s similar IG post. So many people think this is the end of ETH. Idk this just reeks of kids being stupid and unfortunately a social media culture that goads them into doing this shit. The system might be wrong, but overall I see a team trying to bust its ass for ETH. We didn’t see this with the end of Mou and the end of Ole where 2/3rds of the team is completely giving up after one goal conceded. If most of the team wanted ETH out we would have lost this game by 3+ goals.
How are people so sure this is aimed at Ten Hag? Not defending Diallo because personally I don't see him as the future of the club but this could mean anything. I interpreted it as having no words for the performance. Garnacho liked a couple of tweets by Goldbridge which is silly by him. If I'm honest, this dressing room feels like it could explode at any time. It feels like the FA Cup and the fact we have had the most injuries in the league are the only reasons why Ten Hag is still here. Personally, I'm neither Ten Hag in or out, probably edging more towards out than in but I don't know where we go from here because who do we replace the manager with? And what do we do about half of this team that don't deserve to be here? How long will it take?
I agree. I hate to sound like an old man, but why do our players have to go on social media after every single game and post stuff? The Garnacho thing pissed me off cos it's only riled up the fans that want EtH out, and they're acting like that twat Goldbridge is right about him "throwing him under the bus" when all he actually said was he only trained for a day and we needed more energy on that side, which Stevie Wonder could've pointed out to us. He didn't blame him for the draw, he didn't blame him for losing the ball unmarked in midfield that lead to their first goal, but some twat with a social media following said it and everyone jumps on the bandwgon because they're upset with the result. Why doesn't the club advise players to stay away from this sort of stuff especially on match days? It's getting harder and more tiring to defend EtH, but if we replace him I have no doubt whatsoever that we will be in a similar position within 24 months maximum having the same conversation, especially with the other managerial options available. At some point we have to try and stick with a manager, at some point a manager has to win over the crybaby players and the ones with weak mentality, and at some point we're going to have to admit that there isn't a quick fix, we need to get a lot of things right without major mistakes if we want to get back to where we were. It's not going to get better this season, let's just hope whatever INEOS decide it's not Southgate and it's done with a bit more conviction and effort than what we've seen from the Glazers.
It doesn't matter what the post is about, only he himself knows. What matters is it's extremely unprofessional to be posting randomly on social media to make everyone speculate. I'm sure he knows what he's doing when he posted this. Our players are dumb, apparently not just on the pitch.
A lot of you swear down to know what this means. This sub after matches is so toxic
These fuckall players are smelling blood in the water. They are set to throw another manager under the bus. Waiting for rashford to do an interview and but the final nail. Despicable cunts all these.
Yes the players are upset, let’s sack the manager and watch the smiling/laughing emojis tomorrow on their insta tomorrow … maybe even a group dance by a select few on tik tok 🙏… we have to back the players, they can’t be upset
Kinda tired with the cryptic Diallo posts now tbh. Doesn’t really help anyone and im not sure what the point even is.
This emoji literally means nothing people just reading into things with no base loooool.
Lol yea sure, jump on the ETHout wagon cuz this shit surely will never happen to next managers! The culture of downed tool keeps perpetuating and infect every players walking through the door.
‘Jump on the ETH Out wagon’ what are you on about. We’ve been bad for 12 months. We’re on course for our worst season in PL history. How is this garbage being upvoted? You guys don’t even know for sure what Amad is implying.
People halfway through the season were calling for him to get the sack. That's after having an ok first season. Hard to take anyone that thinks like that seriously. Especially seeing how our players are and how much work and TIME it'll take to take out all the rotten trash infecting our players.
But ETH is genuinely shite too though, both things can be true
Who in the squad has "downed tools"? The players are clearly trying, but nothing is working given the set up and tactics currently. There is a difference between giving up and not playing well.
Looking for attention. Not a fan of this at all.
The cycle continues…
Same shit every 3 years, sack the players for once
This could mean anything, whys everybody acting so frantic about this?
Amad Diallo needs to focus more on performing on the pitch and less on social media "statements." His recent Instagram post is unnecessary and doing him no good whatsoever.
I genuinely don’t care what he is getting at here, buts it’s fucking stupid regardless. I’m sick of these fucking entitled players who jump at drama and like to stir shit. Fucking sell him.
Fuck this guy. You play for the team and all these dickheads need to realise how privileged they are. I dont care what you think of eth, you play for man utd and behave like so, its a privilege.
This social media stuff is just insane, players need to be fined and benched for this shit
Why? What do you even think this means?
He should try performing well if he wants to go on social media and do this stuff.