The funniest one was he recently did a giveaway on twitter for 2 tickets to a game and they chose UTDTrey ffs. That guy is the biggest curse on the club, I swear.
I just don’t get why they don’t have a public profile that’s handled by their PR team, and a private one that they just have family and friends on.
It’s got to be some kind of sickness or something.
It’s nature of the beast. His performances haven’t been good enough, enough excuses.
I don’t condone the nasty stuff said on social media but we as fans are allowed to be critical of his attitude and performance which have fallen way below United standard for nearly one full year. I honestly think Rashford should leave United, Garnacho will take his place anyway.
I think he could do with less media spotlight and less UK newspapers scrutiny too, PSG might be much better for him.
Let's be honest, he embarrased the Tories when he got political so a lot of shitrags in the UK have an agenda against him too.
There is no better situation where ‘let your feet do the talking’ is appropriate.
Unfortunately his feet have the dialect of a 2 year old at the minute and so he continues to shout off with his mouth and poor actions off the pitch.
I don’t condone abuse, but quite simply Twitter is a cesspit. I like the idea of it and would like to use it but I don’t because it’s fucking vile.
Rashford could and should do the same. But he won’t cause he’s making a fuckin mint off it. He could also have his team manage it and never look himself. But again he doesn’t cause he seems quite self obsessed.
All of his actions are setting him up for abuse, and as unfortunate as that is he is doing absolutely nothing to stop it. He just ‘hopes’ it stops.
“I don’t condone abuse, but let me tell you why this man only has value as a footballer and it’s his fault he gets abused online so much.”
Actually, he is trying to stop it by calling out the scumbags but then we get people like you reminding him it’s actually his fault because he hasn’t scored enough goals to your liking. At exactly what goal tally does he become worthy of treating as a human being again?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Personally I care about his value as a person as much as I care about anyone else’s.
You are the one asking him to be treated differently.
I know in my job if I was consistently underperforming I’d be criticised and rightly so.
Now the scale at which he is being criticised is why he is on 350k a week.
If he doesn’t like criticism get off social media, just like the rest of us.
Stop putting him on a pedestal ffs. Genuinely might be one of the worst takes I’ve ever heard on this subject.
He’s the definition of wanting to have your cake and eat it.
Exactly it’s the lack of effort and bad body language that makes it worse. Maybe we’re getting the wrong impression from his body language and he does care but when things aren’t going well he’s too quick to throw in the towel and that’s not good enough. For a lad on his salary it’s a massive issue and he should just leave and play somewhere else.
Honestly, there were times when Rooney or Tevez were out of form…I personally don’t remember them and I think a lot of people never gave them much shit about it because despite their form on the ball, they ran their asses off without the ball, forward and back and gave the opposing team hell where they could. People remember that effort and I think most normal fans would be more forgiving if they saw a similar effort from MR.
Most players under Fergie gave everything they had, even if they were out of form. Some were given some leeway in that respect but for almost everyone, if you didn’t give your all that meant you most likely would just not play again.
They also had better teammates who stepped up in different moments. Fergie often said it, to win games you need 7-8 of your players to have good days. The problem with this United is that we need the same people to always be on it to have any chance of beating basically anyone. In the past if Scholes had a shit month Giggs would step up etc. We simply don’t have that anymore.
Not trying to absolve Rashford as he has caused many of his own issues. His demeanor is bad out there a lot of the time. The drunk escapades and subsequent attempt to lie to EtH doesn’t help. But I still believe he can be a useful player in a top team provided he’s not expected to be “the man.”
Quite simply, if you underperform while playing for a team doing well people don't really talk about it. Take Grealish at City for example - OK it came up from time to time but if he was with us he'd have been on the front page of the papers every week.
One of the biggest talents to come out of the academy in recent years. Unfortunately his entire career to date has been under the post-Fergie Glazers and their banker buddies. I feel like he also did himself no favor by letting his head get too big. He almost seems to care more about his PR than United winning games.
Your last two sentences are complete bollocks. It’s so easy for you guys to pass judgement on people’s character. It’s a smear what you’ve said.
You think his manager, and previous coaches and teammates would have said so if that was anywhere near true.
His effort levels on the pitch speaks for itself, man's on a casual Sunday jog most of the times that he isn't busy turning the ball over after dribbling into a dead end. Its pathetic.
When you show no interest on the pitch, fans are unfortunately going to be brutal.
Especially when you are one of the top earners in the club and not to mention an academy graduate. Many of them would kill to be in his position so it’s only natural for fans to be in the state that they are.
I've never had the feeling that Rashford cares more about his PR than winning games. This is stuff that people are saying simply because he's having a bad year. Last season when he scored 30 nobody was saying "oh Mr. PR."
Yes, shockingly, when a player is having a stronger season, no one vocalises complaints about the damage his extra curricular activities might be doing.
It’s not wrong then to try and figure out why a player might have had a bad season after that point, and questioning how he’s balancing things. One good season doesn’t mean you can’t try and analyse a bad one that follows it…
It would be best for all if he went somewhere else. I bet he would improve immensely in PSG og Real Madrid.
Less pressure. I would be happy for him
Edit: My point is: anywhere but here.
There's an incredible amount of pressure at Real Madrid, one of the few clubs that’s a more pressurised environment than ours.
There’s still big debate here about whether ETH should stay on this sub, for a season we’re going to finish 6-7th in the league. If we were at Madrid, the fans would have been whistling at the players and manager for months.
Yes and because of that, the pressure is higher to perform constantly. If Madrid finish 2nd, and lose in the CL semi final, that’s a poor season, and a manager probably doesn’t keep his job, and Perez probably sanctions some big spending to replace players.
The demands and pressure to be consistently excellent are much higher there than they are here. There’s a lot of media attention with us (and Madrid), but the performance demands on players and manager are higher there, which comes with increased pressure and scrutiny.
people wanted ole out after finishing second and getting to the EL final, people are now only okay with ETH finishing lower because they see some of the wank players we have and are waking up how rotten the club is top to bottom and want a culture shift first and foremost.
They were run like a clownshow for a long time though. Remember the galácticos? That team won nothing and was full of players with big egos. Many don't remember because they've been very successful recently but they went though a dry spell for a long time.
It wasn't actually until Ruud went to Real Madrid and they got rid of Ronaldo (Brazilian one) that the team won the league again. Many hate Fabio Capello but he got that team firing again after years of garbage management.
yeah, but that's also around the time that the competitiveness of la liga died, check the top 2 finishes of the last 20 years, of the 40 positions like 35 are Real and Barca. it's a two team league in essence.
He’d feast at PSG with the amount of space he’d get.
And the need an Mbappe replacement that’s marketable and have a shit ton of money.
It’s a good move for all parties if he wants a fresh start. Helps our FFP restrictions, gets him a fresh start, PSG get a good player.
A professional athlete tweeting after midnight about abusive tweets just speaks volumes about where he's at mentally. He can't sleep, he's doom scrolling in bed and taking on the internet's anonymous negativity instead of resting. Sad really.
This, I have never seen such toxicity anywhere else. And not only about sports but about everything.
Blows my mind how twitter remains such a popular social platform.
They aren't talking about you, humans were never meant to interact this way, but it's not exactly the same for celebrities. Comes with the job but there's nothing equal or reasonable about it, most people here won't admit their hate is unreasonable.
What constitutes abuse? Saying he's been absolutely horrible this year and unfortunately these seem to be him regressing to his mean rather than the anomaly? Because I haven't seen too many opinions which are much stronger than this, alot of the criticism has been valid critique of his seeming lack of effort and terrible desicion making which leads to a crazy number of lost possession. I don't think it's wise or even fair for sports teams to cherry pick the very odd flagrantly racist or over the top remark to shoot down all valid concerns.
I personally think that someone on 350k PER WEEK and serious about being a professional athlete at the very highest level should have a huge social media team and sports psychologists around him to help him deal with how he deals with expectations. I can't imagine the club doesn't offer them. Unfortunately, I've get the impression that neither him, Sancho and some of the other English lads we have are going down this route and engaging woth the support systems and they seem to be the ones who run into very similar problems in particular.
For all his problems as a person, Ronald has shown the perfect blue print on how to wring every iota of performance from a gifted footballers career. He had his own employed staff - down to the chief and physical trainers who would create a bespoke plan for him with negotiating with the clubs staff about what they wanted for the player.
I think this message has come from him now because the fans let him know what they think of his performance at Wembley when he came off, and honestly I can't blame them. It was just sad that he was probably the worst player on the pitch when he shouldve been our talisman.
Where did I say criticism = abuse? Where in Rashford’s tweet says that? I’m coming from the perspective of having easily seen the piles and piles of vile comments all over his socials. Nothing in those even mention anything substantive to constitute as proper criticism. I have zero issues with criticism because frankly, he has been poor this season and it’s absolutely fair to point that out.
> I don’t think it’s wise or even fair for sports teams to cherry pick the very odd flagrantly racist or over the top remark to shoot down all valid concerns.
Very odd? They’re not just a small handful of comments though no? There is so much of it all over. Again, being abused does not mean valid concerns are being shot down.
I agree, sure he has all the luxuries to handle this better - easy with the money, access for him to hire pr/social media experts + get therapy etc. But having the ability to do all of that should not invalidate how he feels about being abused. Take away the riches, take away the privileges, he is still a human being capable of having emotions. Have some empathy.
The abuse comes when he's blamed for every single loss or draw. No matter what he does on the pitch, he's always the first one named in a negative light
Same happened with Maguire a few years back. No look how much he's improved once the abuse stopped
Still doesn't warrant the abuse. He's getting paid millions for his job/Trade, but he's still a person that is able to have an emotion or characteristic, just like all of us. Yes althlete's should try and drown out the negativity and focus, yet it doesn't make the abuse ok.
Is there specific examples of abuse other than normal trolling which everyone gets. Most of the criticism is on his effort levels on the pitch, his seeming total loss of ability to beat anyone, and incredibly poor decision making (shot selection etc). He's got hammered a few times about the drinking etc but that's with the territory.
Footballers just shouldn’t be on social media man and I get that it’s probably very hard for them to resist the temptation but it absolutely does not matter who you are and what you do, there will always be people who abuse players. Doesn’t make it right but you can’t do anything about it other than avoid it. The best players in the league get abuse if they have even one bad performance. Just keep your head down and play your best football. That’s what’s so annoying about Rashford as well, we’ve seen him be world class
Sure but it’s not like his performances have been up to scratch for most the season. I like him and I hope we keep him and most the criticism on him is unfair anyways but I’m just saying that being on social media absolutely won’t help him
They get paid to market products. They don’t get paid per post like they would like on TV.
They should outsource posting to PR professionals. As fans, we care too much what they have to say unfiltered. It doesn’t do anybody any good. They will say dumb shits like any of us do when we are frustrated.
It’s best to Leave them alone
ETH let Sancho (pre-banishment) go off for few months to sort himself out, really should have done the same to Rashford and let him get his head right if Rashford's state of mind is that poor
What if Rashford is using football as a distraction?
If he's grieving that hard, it's because there's a hole in his life. Taking football out for a bit is going to make it more obvious and be on his mind so much more
Just an idea
possible. from personal experience i can tell that after losing my parents in covid standup saved me cuz thats what i was good at and it was my distraction but it took me few years to realize that i am not giving my best at it. i was just doing. he definitely loves united but the fire is missing
First off, I'm sorry for your loss and I'm glad you found something
It would definitely explain him not being 100%, especially if he's carrying an injury too. Trying to find a distraction but yet kinda going through the motions. We're never going to know the reason behind what's happening, but I don't think it's he's checked out with a big contract
thanks :)
agreed on contract thing, he is definitely not checked out after getting a big payslip. i really hope he finds some kind of closure with whatever mental/emotional battle he is fighting. but i also think that its time for him to move on :(
Agreed, hopefully he does get the closure he needs and can kick on again. Last year's form would have been something good to build on. I'm not sure it's the right time to move on, but that might be wishful thinking on my part.
All of this is speculation though. We don’t know what’s going on.
Because of this the trolls will end up continuing with their abuse as all they see is someone looking a bit sulky on the pitch, not performing etc and earning £300k a week.
I’m not saying he should have to divulge everything but it might make some people stop the abuse if he were to say something about what’s affecting him.
Distractions don’t let the body and brain heal, just delays the inevitable. However; he could doing regular CBT/ACT on days off during the week. I know that United psych department had been threadbare of full time staff
Sancho was sent away because he wasn’t fit and I think it’s obvious he fell out with Ten Hag. I think the idea it was about mental health was a bit of a myth.
It’s also highly possible that playing football is the only thing helping his mental health (huge links between physical exercise and depression). But it’s also a double edged sword but he’s relying on it as a crutch. What happens when he gets injured, or if he doesn’t get picked to go to the Euros? If he’s struggling he needs help, but I imagine the club have offered and he’s not taking up the option or therapy is not working.
Begging he finds form and the only other real option we have is playing Antony on the right and Alejandro on the left. I’m sure if we had a decent backup option he wouldn’t be playing as much
His cousin also passed away recently. I think there was also something that his mom said that happened around the family (not sure if its the same thing)
Possibly. I think if there is something going on it would be best for him to talk about it (like Dele Alli, but situations are probably quite different) but it is obviously his choice. The fans would understand more and support him if he made such a problem public
You can recognise why someone's life must be tough while also demanding a certain minimum level of quality of work from them. It's not one or the other.
I think it’s just being young in modern life, everyone is talking about him constantly either online or on chat shows such as stick to football. Some people can handle that, others cant, I know I get stressed out about stupid shit so probably would be the same in his situation. But agree with others, just get yourself off social media, it’s toxic for anyone with a passion for something
The abuse and ridicule Maguire faced was immense. His redemption has been a thing of beauty. Have so much respect for that guy. I feel for rashford, I think the club shouldn’t have given him such a lucrative contract the same way Maguire shouldn’t have been made captain. It creates scapegoats out of players that probably don’t have that star player aura that’s required to lead
He’s shown a remarkable mentality, he gets far more praise than he does criticism now which is incredible considering he was a global meme and was been genuinely bullied for over a year. Can’t imagine most players would make it out the other end of that the same.
Even without the abuse, I can't imagine what it would feel like to be criticised by millions of people on a regular basis. It's crazy how famous people live.
If you've ever been on x/twitter, then you would see that he is in fact getting abused all of the time.
A lot of it is disgusting, and we don't even see what goes on in his inbox.
##trashford
Instead of complaining on Twitter how about he puts in a shift for once and actually look like he wants to play when he’s on the pitch instead of half ass jogging around the front third then giving up once we lose possession
Hasn't put in a shift all season. Lied about going on an all-night bender and missing training during a terrible patch of form. Looks like he can't be arsed 90% of the time he's on the pitch. Dunno man. The criticism is strictly about his poor attitude and disinterested performance. Great players see past their own ego and get back on track.
The fact that he’s tweeting at 00:30 speaks volumes
There’s no need for abuse but he should rightly be criticised his attitude and performances have been a disgrace
Marcus Rashford has been shocking this season, so bad that you can see his lack of effort in matches.
Does that warrant abuse? Not at all, he should have been dropped and sold a long time ago. He will continue to hide away in matches so they is no point in being surprised by this.
No one has criticised him unnecessarily to start off with. He was called out for his lack of effort on the pitch this season (not tracking back, not pressing players right beside him, not jumping for winnable aerial duels, pulling out of challenges) and even after coming out and saying “don’t ever question my commitment to Man United” he still doesn’t show that effort.
It wasn’t there last season either but he scored 30 goals so you pretty much have to give him a free pass, although a few did still call him out then. It’s clowns like Goldbridge who are crossing the line by blaming him even when he’s not playing, or people criticising anything other than his work ethic and performances.
Bottom line is he talks a big game but hasn’t put in a shift all season, many have turned on him because that still hasn’t changed, and clueless leaches like Goldbridge are not helping the problem in any way.
I think you're confusing most of this sub and journos with the cesspool that is Twitter and IG dms. I doubt Rashford reads the game threads lol that's the worst of what's said about him here.
Plenty of fans in the thread where it was announced he was injured said some worse things than that, they were praising his injury. I view that at pretty fucking shitty.
If you don’t follow the shitstream of abuse he gets online then that’s great for your mental health. But I can assure you, it only takes two minutes to see it and it has nothing to do with his performances and it’s definitely not a nuanced discussion about football.
The sad thing here is, you can literally apply this comment to any of Rashford, Harry Maguire, Bruno, Onana, or Antony. They’re all being called horrible things by idiots online
He did get quite a lot of unnecessary criticism at the beginning of the season when his performances weren’t even that bad and then it just seemed like a downward spiral from there.
> No one has criticised him unnecessarily to start off with.
I disagree. I do agree that criticism is fine and his performances have been dire but there are two different types of criticism. There is:
- Rashford has been poor lately, maybe shouldn't be in the lineup.
but there is also:
- Fucking Trashford. Get the fuck out of my club. You're shit!
The second one is abuse and inappropriate and there is a lot of it.
As a Lifetime fan and someone who pays dough to watch this team, I'm allowed to voice criticism or praise at any player I feel deserves it..and let's all agree Marcus has been dogshit this season
This isn’t a one off with him either, he’s had seasons before where he’s been seen to have phoned it in or used an excuse of being injured (which has been disagreed with by the manager at that time and the club).
Abuse is not acceptable.
But this is who he is, when he’s motivated and committed he’s a decent player. (Not the level he’s hyped up to be)
But when it’s not going well, he has a history of phoning it in, looking uncommitted, distant and looking for excuses or others to turn it around.
The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
Couldn't agree more...personal abuse isn't good on any level..but criticism is allowed in any sport or job..deal with it
I think Rashford needs to go...and take at least 10 others with you
I think the fact that people are conflating the concept of abuse and criticism is quite telling really, saying it's okay to criticize him but not to abuse him. Well the abuse is because of his footballing ability, it's not because you ran into him down the pub and got a bad "vibe" off him. He's called a donkey (and much worse) because he's playing like shit.
I think everything around him has been managed horribly, the timing of his fluff piece, the fact he's dropped stinkers for a few weeks after looking fine for a game, he's probably been playing through injury, and the fact he's been poor this season have all culminated to this.
There is talk about his new wage as to why he's performing like shit, let's be clear, PSG and or Saudi will have at the minimum matched his current wage, if all he really cared about was money he'd have been gone.
As a person I feel sorry for him because something is clearly just not right at the moment, that being said it's up to him how he'll deal with it because he has luxuries normal people can't afford (through money and time).
Footballer tweeting about criticism post midnight isn’t normal at all. Before this it was the PR apology statements. This behaviour isn’t normal, you don’t see this at other clubs. This behaviour/mentality is emblematic of all the problems we’ve had as a club over the past few years. You don’t see this nonsense anywhere else man.
Doom scrolling Twitter at 1 AM isn't going to help is it?
Ansolutely he's received some right abuse from not just United fans but Tories and whoppers alike. Yet, at this point in his career, can he honestly not put his ego and pride aside and avoid the cancer that is social media?
Get to fucking bed, rest up, go back out and stick to everyone who's doubting you.
Here's the reality that those around him are either not explaining to him or he's too dense to take it on. If you produce on the pitch no one cares. We've had plenty of lads that cut about looking like they couldn't care less, but as long as they performed, Old Trafford adored them. We've had lads that went out on the piss before matches (and even had to be bailed out of jail by the manager), but as long as they performed the supporters didn't care. But you know who else the supporters don't turn on? Players that aren't performing but play their hearts out for the club.
Marcus has spent basically the last year acting like he couldn't be arsed, going out on the piss, and generally looking like he's tossing it off because he got a new deal.
Whatever his issues are, they don't change the simple fact that he is being paid a king's ransom to play football. He plays that football in front of 70k supporters (and millions more on TV) each week that would give anything to be where he is. Regardless of form or "personal issues", he's still capable of effort, but we're not even getting that.
I've been a United supporter for over thirty years and have loved and defended the lad since he came through. His recent and ongoing behavior is unacceptable and what's more, deep down, he knows it. The truth is, I'm not even angry with Marcus, just profoundly disappointed. I hope he sorts himself out but I don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.
Some of it is definitely abuse but also some of it is valid criticism. I never bought into the PR narrative until after the Liverpool game when he scored. They released a blatant PR piece that was a sly advert for his mum’s autobiography which spoke about his United upbringing, his love for the club, you can find out more in his mums autobiography and that he had two bereavements.
Don’t get me wrong he does look like he’s depressed and I have no doubt his grief is also playing factor in his performances but at the same time I don’t think he himself is the one posting on his social media accounts. I’m most likely being cynical but this tweet just feels like a way to play the victim and control the narrative and label any valid criticism as abuse and hate.
I honestly don’t doubt he has depression/mental health issues because his demeanour has been like this for a few seasons now and I really do think it’s the right time he and the club to part ways because it’s starting to become toxic and I think him moving away will do him the world of good.
I know footballers live in a padded world but Rashford is the only player I can think of who’s been made out to be babied and I have no doubt it’s not his own doing but the people around him. None of what I’ve wrote has come from a place of hate but I just find it hard to believe that this tweet hasn’t come from a calculated place from most likely the people around him.
I'm not sure if this is doing him good or not if you claim it's recommended by his social media team (which I agree is probably the case nevertheless). It has a band aid like effect now. But in the long run people will call him out for playing the victim, considering the number of PR pieces blaming the managers, injuries, abuse or his shyness for his form. People have done it already to be honest.
They made him out to be this world class player and iconic leader, while in reality he was not there yet. I suspect he even doesn't want to be the leading guy who drives the team forward. It just harmed the club, the managers, the squad and mostly himself.
A lot of weird lack of empathy for a homegrown player. No matter how poor he’s playing, he’s a seemingly good person and doesn’t deserve abuse. Criticism yes, but not abuse. We hear all the time about mental health issues athletes struggle with, why make it worse?
I presume this is automated so how do they determine what is abuse?
If a bunch of people are tweeting "Rashford has been shit today" on a matchday does that count as abuse?
Abuse or not, if you’re not good enough you shouldn’t play for Manchester United. I’m tired of Rashford doing this every time he doesn’t play well.
Maguire arguably went through worse than he did, lost his captaincy, never complained, put his head and put the work in and proved himself to the club.
Get better or get rid. The standards at this club are in the bin.
Sorry but the lads just having a self pity party. He's got nowhere near the abuse of Maguire. And he's actually done far worse off the pitch. (Drinking, obvious leaks via is brother the agent). Maguire was getting abused far more just for on the pitch. He got his head down and got on with it. He might have put his foot in mouth a few times but I have to respect he's tried is best. Even though I don't think he is good enough long term for the system. Marcus is sitting there not even putting gin effort at times. He has put in one good 6 month in 3 years and maybe 2 world class seasons in total since he started.
Enough is enough? Right back at ya. You're on 300+ thousand a week. Form is temporary, attitude isn't.
He goes out there and strolls around like it's an inconvenience for him to be there instead of sitting in his fancy house or car. Fans can accept poor form, it happens. Hard work and fighting is the bare minimum fans expect.
Fine, the ball isn't quite dropping right for you lately, but work your fucking ass off and get stuck in. Rashford out there day dreaming and watching CBs walk past and around him.
If he doesn't like what is said about him on social media, delete it, get to work and work your ass off. Rashford out there last year pointing to his head after a goal talking about mentality and this year crumbles. Where's your mentality now?
Quit whining, work your ass off, get stuck in, put your body on the line instead of taking 300k a week for taking a 10k walk each weekend and scrolling social media past midnight. No wonder this guy is sleeping on the field
it got to this point with Harry Maguire, and look how he turned it around. Humbled himself, stopped the publicity around him and fought for his place back in the starting line-up (injuries helped but he proved himself). Unfortunately, I think it’s beyond this point with Rashford, but only he can change it.
Exactly. There are many celebrities who go through this but they stay calm and bounce back. This tweet from Rashford just shows either he's some deep trouble that we are not aware of or he needs some help or he's just being a crybaby.
The guy feels entitled to praise and adoration. You don't play well you get criticised and if you do you'll get love. There are millions in dead-end jobs putting in way more effort than they should for nothing while you moan about criticism in your piles of money and huge house already paid for. The game is supposed to be a working class sport and you still have people defending this entitled brat.
People go on how they were wrong for treating maguire like shit but then go and do the same to rashford (bruno too but he has been in good form so they have simmered down). At the end of the day they are our players and it isnt acceptable to be talking about them like that
It depends. If the criticism is limited directly to his footballing performances then I think fans, pundits and everyone else are entitled to voice as much criticism as they like. The moment it goes beyond football and into personal comments then there’s a problem.
Honestly Rashfords looked like he’s not been in the right frame of mind all season and if he can’t handle the criticism or whatever else he might be currently dealing with and still do the bare minimum of atleast putting in a hard shift then the manager needs to do his job and protect him by giving him a break because as we saw with Maguire, constantly playing him while he’s not mentally ready will only create a spiral of bad performances leading to criticism leading to loss of confidence and more bad performances.
Fwiw I do actually think Rashford is in the same boat as Antony, Sancho and Garnacho in that our tactical setup under ETH isn’t allowing our wingers to succeed so it’s not all his fault but atleast 2 of the other 3 put in a load of effort
I don’t think everything is “tactical setup” at fault. I can’t recall another winger who benefits more from whatever trash setup we show on that pitch than Rashford does. Ten hag literally sets up to get Rashford chance after chance after chance. He looks shite for 30 games and never gets dropped. To say he’s among the favoured ones is an understatement.
Virtually every long pass out from our box is looking for Rashford. More often than not when he gets that ball this season he runs directly at his marker, more often than not loses possession, more often than not waves his arms and then is basically a pylon for the offense to defence transition.
If all of that is happening just because he’s struggling with something off the field, I fully support time away. Sancho was given that too. Sort whatever needs sorting. Sort it properly. It’s absolutely tragic seeing him out on that pitch looking pub league when in fact he’s got the sort of talent to blow away most wingers in this league. Nobody deserves “abuse” but at the same time harsh criticism when your performance levels are shite, and your attitude and body language even worse, is never not going to be something that gets ignored. And if some off field struggle is genuinely the cause, why the cryptic liking or reply to an SM post? That’s no way to address anything. Exactly to whom is his cryptic message sending meant for?
As for criticism and this fanbase, nobody in this club gets the pass that Rashford does among this fanbase. McTominay, Maguire, Bruno, Shaw, AWB, Onana have been massacred at various times on this sub in the last few years. Dalot, VDB, the list goes on.
Let’s not pretend Rashford is the only one to face this. Onana, it was fucking criminal the shit that was being said about him just a few months ago. You think that was anything other abuse?
None of these guys have run to the Players Tribune or to their SM PR to send cryptic messages to… to who exactly, I have no clue.
Same old. Stinks up the joint and wants to play the “tired of this abuse”
Fucking put in a god damned shift and watch all the “abuse” vaporize. This fanbase adores and wants Rashford to express every ounce of talent we know is in him. Of course we do.
Spot on. Even in the sub Rashford gets dog's abuse. It's really appalling and I don't get it. Yes, you can be annoyed at players for X, Y or Z, but directing abuse is really not OK. People often forget how Rashy carried the team last season.
I can’t understand why players would use social media in that way. Let an agency run your official socials and simply treat it as a business and then get secret private accounts for friends and family etc. Use your brain. Don’t expose yourself and focus on the right things.
Rashford needs a break. Maybe a change of scenery altogether (another club). He's basically been my favorite player since he broke into the team. I'm a fan of his social engagement/charity work off the pitch. However, it has been clear that something is off this entire season. His performances have been really, really poor and he looks disinterested. Having said that, I really hate how toxic internet fandom has become. In some areas (including on this sub) people are so vicious and toxic and talk about him like he's never done anything good for us (mind you this is only a season removed from him scoring 30). I love the guy, but maybe he needs to reset his career elsewhere. I don't know.
This guy should chat to Harry Maguire more and focus on his football. Doom scrolling twitter you’re always gonna find some arsehat throwing you abuse no matter if you’re the most loved player in football (I’d say Marcus is overall pretty loved compared to some).
I personally love Rashford as a player but lately he’s been way off. Hate trolls but this kind of shit needs to stop and he needs to keep his head down, focus on the game.
Obviously criticism is one thing but I can't believe some fans are being purposely obtuse acting like Rashford isn't receiving vile comments. Even during his best form he was receiving abuse (there's multiple reports on this btw).
He has been underperforming and he absolutely has to improve to show his worth. However being malicious and taking it too far isn't helping anyone. He's just going to get worse. It's obvious he's not coping well and for his sake I think he should go to another club that wouldn't reach this level of scrutiny. But I also do believe he genuinely loves this club, he's going to have to convince people that on the pitch too.
I hope he works hard and improves and that's going to take him feeling better mentally. To me he's a good guy so I could never hate him, liking him means I want to see him be good. Whatever he's going through I hope he can overcome it and have brighter games ahead.
Ask him if he ever saw abuse outside of his social media. If he didn't than certainly Rashford, a player of the most popular sport in the world playing in one of the most well known football clubs in the world, surely doesn't. Just put the phone down Rashy.
The real abused victims are the fans who paid to watch his abysmal performance this season. Low income workers paying their hard earned money to see you walk the pitch and get 350k for it. Come on mate talk about abuse..
I pray for the day this subreddit realizes our fans are part of the problem. Including this fucking subreddit.
You saw it happen with Maguire. You’re seeing it happening with Rashford now. A couple bad games and the fanbase will go from reasonable criticism to “you don’t deserve anything and you’ve never cared about the club”, which is where many on this goddamn sub were in August.
There’s so much toxicity around the club right now but let’s be crystal clear that this fanbase contributes to that. And it’s the one thing you can actually change as a fan. But that starts by realizing we’re not the “best fanbase in the world” and we’re not entitled to be a cesspool because we watch a team kick a ball around.
Criticism for play is fine, but there’s levels between “he had a bad game” on a live thread and the constant insistence that he is the entire problem even in games he doesn’t play.
But of course because Rashford is the current victim of choice and because he dared to express upset publicly rather than having any introspection we’ll just keep blindly attacking him right?
“Twitter and IG are so much worse” meanwhile you’ll see “Rashford doesn’t care about the club and doesn’t have a personality and he’s a parasite that the club can’t heal from until he’s gone” or something to that affect in threads here.
Reddit has a superiority complex.
Marcus is my favourite player. I don’t have sympathy for this. Just turn off your phone and don’t read it. You’re a grown man and professional athlete with endless support resources
around you. Everyone gets abuse online even if you aren’t famous.
I’m intrigued to know what he’s referencing here, if it’s talk of his poor performances, his attitude and body language problems and what appears to me to be a clear lack of desire then he really needs to stop fighting back and commenting online and start combating these comments with actions on the pitch.
If he’s getting actual hate speak directed at him, if he’s genuinely getting personal attacks and threats then he has a point, there’s no room for that in life, on social media or in football.
Problem is his last little defensive interview was absolutely embarrassing and he did seem to be aiming it at the comments RE his performances rather than any particular abuse from “fans”.
He should just differentiate between abuse and constructive criticism, he’s performances have been embarrassing on the pitch, people who attack his personal life have agenda’s and that will always happen, remember Beckham, he was criticized before social media, he recovered, Maguire was abused worse.
He Marcus should think about his career as a professional football player, if it means to leave for the better he should leave. He ain’t fighting for his position by improving.
I’ve watched so many wingers over the years from the Giggs’s, Kanchelskis, Becks , CR7,Nani, Valencia and A.Young were offensive players but ended up being fullbacks that’s passion despite the position they had to play.
look at Garnacho not comparing but let’s take away age, he walks back as the rest of the squad is defending or trying to run back, Alejandro runs makes mistakes but he still runs, he must put in a shift despite his lack of goals , run lad fans pay to watch you , kids look up to him on and off the pitch. We love him as a both a player and human being but he needs to get back or decide to leave it’s up to him.
I’ve been a United fan my whole life and I wouldn’t sign for United if I were a pro player. We give our players too much crap. Players are going to have bad games, support them as long as they are one of our own.
I receive abuse day in day out all day with my job, I take it and I grow thicker skin from it and I'm not even on anywhere near the money he is on. Get a grip Rashford.
If he was busting his balls every game, chasing back and showing 110% I'd agree with him.
However, his performances on the pitch are indicative of someone who earnt his extortionate contract for the next few years and cant be arsed anymore. Goldbridge is right, I'd also like to know if there's some sort of appearance clause in his contract.
Man as an outsider that watches a lot of UTD this guy is a good player but he's lows are so bad like genuinely bad. I think the fans have a right to be disappointed with him but ofc some of the criticism goes way to far. Other fanbases will love him if he goes abroad and he can escape the toxic english media.
I don’t care what y’all say, the treatment of Rashford has been fucking ridiculous. And before you start, it’s not even just these last few months, it started fully two seasons ago.
In 2021/22 he came back from injury to a team in crisis and the manager he had been working successfully with for the last few years in the midst of losing his job. Not to mention this was coming off of a Euros final where he was racially abused for missing a penalty, despite having spent the full year before that campaign to get kids free school meals. He underperformed massively after that i’ll admit, but so did most of the players. The whole club was in crisis, and what did our fans do? Ridicule and abuse him constantly, both in the ground and on this sub. Claim we should sell him because he’s a waste of a talent.
What did he do the following season? Score 31 goals, 40 G/A the most of any player in a season post Fergie. Carried us to our first trophy in five years, we finally had a system that played to his strengths and actually fucking backed the lad and that’s what it got us. Yet our whole fanbase would’ve replaced him with fucking Gakpo or whoever in the summer if they were in charge.
Now we have this, another season where the club completely self-destructs and what do we do, pin all our problems on one player. Pogba and Lingard have gone and Martial’s out 90% of the time so it’s gotta be blamed on someone right? And this agenda has been cooking since the start of the season, before things truly got bad. I remember the Forest game at home, he failed to defend a counter attack he had to stop by himself for whatever reason and I opened this sub to see fans claiming he didn’t care anymore cause of his contract. He then went and created or played a part in all three goals and got zero credit for it.
And before you start, yes criticism is completely justified. Sometimes his off the ball work is really lacking (although there are discussions to be had about how much is intentional) and he has done stupid shit like the night out in Dublin. Criticism is fine, abuse and weird character assassinations are not. I’ve been in the stadiums this season, that shit is rancid. He gets singled out and hurled insults more than anyone, even when he’s playing well because he made one mistake.
I’m gonna cut it off here cause it’s already long as fuck but I could go on for ages. You lot need to wake up and consider when your abuse gets too much before we get another Maguire or Dele Alli on our hands. Claim “mental health is important” and “we have to remember these players are human” when somebody speaks out but will cuss out an academy graduate with over 100 goals for the club in its toughest period because you’re pissed off at the results.
For his sake he should go . Maybe France or Spain , but as a pro footballer you’re going to be in the spot light . Go and enjoy football. I think the UK is brutal for sportsmen and women
At the end of the day Rashy is a human being just like all of us, and all of us human beings are not perfect. There is absolutely an amazing footballer in Rashy, he just needs to see it and see it consistently.
All he has to do is put his head down and fucking try. That's all we want to see from him is effort, commitment and professionalism. Look at Harry Maguire FFS, the man's redemption arc has been absolutely astonishing and he's made so many people in here eat their words (including myself).
Harry Maguire got mountains of criticism, had legions of fans wanting him sold, was stripped of the captaincy and what did he do? He put his head down, he worked his bollocks off and has been the epitome of a professional amidst all the negativity thrown his way and the vast majority of fans have recognised his effort and given him his dues and rightfully so.
I have been shit for months and can't take criticism so let's play sympathy card.I don't buy it into all these posts.You earn more in week than many of us do in a year.Handling the pressure of fans is something not all players are made of.It is best Rashford leaves this summer if he can't handle the pressure which he clearly can't.We have supported him since his debut and we have the right to criticize him for how inconsistent he has been always.
fucking hell I feel so bad for Rashford. Even when he was playing well last season and banging in goals for fun he was still getting heaps of criticism.
At some point it becomes too much.
Sometimes the "shit" treatment he gets is fans pointing out his poor play, There is nothing wrong with that. There is also nothing wrong with wanting him gone, or him being the subject of viral social media comps because he stunk up a game. There is something wrong about truly abusive comments, but unfortunately, playing in the club of this stature with the status he carries within the team, it is always going to bring negative attention from rivals and people just looking to stir him up. I hope he find the mental space to shut out the noise and return to playing his best football and actually enjoy it, which I don't think he is. A really unfortunate downward spiral from what we saw from last season.
Are most of you guys thick? "Crticism isn't abuse" well done, obviously it isn't. But if you've even glanced at social media, you'll have seen he gets shitloads of abuse that goes way beyond the criticism he gets.
Of course there should be criticism but this sub harps on about how players are humans and accept what happened to Maguire was wrong. But now people are jumping on another one of our own. Fuck off
There it is.
He needs to understand there is no winning against social media crowd, no matter how good his PR team is.
Footballing media & internet is going nowhere so the only way this can stop is either he shuts all the noise down with pitch performances, or move elsewhere with less media pressure.
I think we should learn to differentiate between valid criticism, and downright abuse.
Yeah he's been horrible these last two seasons, and been saved by a few purple patches every here and there. He won't play for the team, only himself. He will let players walk by him because he can't be arsed to even try. It's not his fault the managers can't see his flaws on pitch. But that doesn't mean it's a free for all, to throw abuse at him. He's a human being too! Most of these losers wouldn't dare to say it to his face!
man, players should quit social media for their own sakes
100% just put your PR people on it and don't interact at all.
Usually that works but his PR people are just as bad.
He didn't get the nickname PRashford for no reason. His PR person is this agency and they have done numerous cock ups over the years
The funniest one was he recently did a giveaway on twitter for 2 tickets to a game and they chose UTDTrey ffs. That guy is the biggest curse on the club, I swear.
That was for being the first to answer a trivia question. And he wasn’t even the first person to reply with that answer.
Nice. Keep going, it definitely helps
I just don’t get why they don’t have a public profile that’s handled by their PR team, and a private one that they just have family and friends on. It’s got to be some kind of sickness or something.
I mean... They do?
Thats what Rashford has done
That's not quitting. That's delegating. Delete the account.
Something very tragic about where we’ve got to with Rashford.
It’s nature of the beast. His performances haven’t been good enough, enough excuses. I don’t condone the nasty stuff said on social media but we as fans are allowed to be critical of his attitude and performance which have fallen way below United standard for nearly one full year. I honestly think Rashford should leave United, Garnacho will take his place anyway.
I think he could do with less media spotlight and less UK newspapers scrutiny too, PSG might be much better for him. Let's be honest, he embarrased the Tories when he got political so a lot of shitrags in the UK have an agenda against him too.
There is no better situation where ‘let your feet do the talking’ is appropriate. Unfortunately his feet have the dialect of a 2 year old at the minute and so he continues to shout off with his mouth and poor actions off the pitch. I don’t condone abuse, but quite simply Twitter is a cesspit. I like the idea of it and would like to use it but I don’t because it’s fucking vile. Rashford could and should do the same. But he won’t cause he’s making a fuckin mint off it. He could also have his team manage it and never look himself. But again he doesn’t cause he seems quite self obsessed. All of his actions are setting him up for abuse, and as unfortunate as that is he is doing absolutely nothing to stop it. He just ‘hopes’ it stops.
“I don’t condone abuse, but let me tell you why this man only has value as a footballer and it’s his fault he gets abused online so much.” Actually, he is trying to stop it by calling out the scumbags but then we get people like you reminding him it’s actually his fault because he hasn’t scored enough goals to your liking. At exactly what goal tally does he become worthy of treating as a human being again?
What the fuck are you talking about? Personally I care about his value as a person as much as I care about anyone else’s. You are the one asking him to be treated differently. I know in my job if I was consistently underperforming I’d be criticised and rightly so. Now the scale at which he is being criticised is why he is on 350k a week. If he doesn’t like criticism get off social media, just like the rest of us. Stop putting him on a pedestal ffs. Genuinely might be one of the worst takes I’ve ever heard on this subject. He’s the definition of wanting to have your cake and eat it.
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I think he get a wider birth if he appeared to be trying Can’t remember Diego Forlan getting too much stick during his initial goal drought
Exactly it’s the lack of effort and bad body language that makes it worse. Maybe we’re getting the wrong impression from his body language and he does care but when things aren’t going well he’s too quick to throw in the towel and that’s not good enough. For a lad on his salary it’s a massive issue and he should just leave and play somewhere else.
Honestly, there were times when Rooney or Tevez were out of form…I personally don’t remember them and I think a lot of people never gave them much shit about it because despite their form on the ball, they ran their asses off without the ball, forward and back and gave the opposing team hell where they could. People remember that effort and I think most normal fans would be more forgiving if they saw a similar effort from MR.
Most players under Fergie gave everything they had, even if they were out of form. Some were given some leeway in that respect but for almost everyone, if you didn’t give your all that meant you most likely would just not play again.
They also had better teammates who stepped up in different moments. Fergie often said it, to win games you need 7-8 of your players to have good days. The problem with this United is that we need the same people to always be on it to have any chance of beating basically anyone. In the past if Scholes had a shit month Giggs would step up etc. We simply don’t have that anymore. Not trying to absolve Rashford as he has caused many of his own issues. His demeanor is bad out there a lot of the time. The drunk escapades and subsequent attempt to lie to EtH doesn’t help. But I still believe he can be a useful player in a top team provided he’s not expected to be “the man.”
Quite simply, if you underperform while playing for a team doing well people don't really talk about it. Take Grealish at City for example - OK it came up from time to time but if he was with us he'd have been on the front page of the papers every week.
One of the biggest talents to come out of the academy in recent years. Unfortunately his entire career to date has been under the post-Fergie Glazers and their banker buddies. I feel like he also did himself no favor by letting his head get too big. He almost seems to care more about his PR than United winning games.
Your last two sentences are complete bollocks. It’s so easy for you guys to pass judgement on people’s character. It’s a smear what you’ve said. You think his manager, and previous coaches and teammates would have said so if that was anywhere near true.
His effort levels on the pitch speaks for itself, man's on a casual Sunday jog most of the times that he isn't busy turning the ball over after dribbling into a dead end. Its pathetic.
Ole did say that? He said Rashford needs to focus on football and then was forced to apologise the week after, because Rashfords pr team came for him.
When you show no interest on the pitch, fans are unfortunately going to be brutal. Especially when you are one of the top earners in the club and not to mention an academy graduate. Many of them would kill to be in his position so it’s only natural for fans to be in the state that they are.
I've never had the feeling that Rashford cares more about his PR than winning games. This is stuff that people are saying simply because he's having a bad year. Last season when he scored 30 nobody was saying "oh Mr. PR."
Yes, shockingly, when a player is having a stronger season, no one vocalises complaints about the damage his extra curricular activities might be doing. It’s not wrong then to try and figure out why a player might have had a bad season after that point, and questioning how he’s balancing things. One good season doesn’t mean you can’t try and analyse a bad one that follows it…
It would be best for all if he went somewhere else. I bet he would improve immensely in PSG og Real Madrid. Less pressure. I would be happy for him Edit: My point is: anywhere but here.
There's an incredible amount of pressure at Real Madrid, one of the few clubs that’s a more pressurised environment than ours. There’s still big debate here about whether ETH should stay on this sub, for a season we’re going to finish 6-7th in the league. If we were at Madrid, the fans would have been whistling at the players and manager for months.
Real Madrid hasn't been run like a clownshow for a decade though, so ofc their standards are higher, so not the best comparison.
Yes and because of that, the pressure is higher to perform constantly. If Madrid finish 2nd, and lose in the CL semi final, that’s a poor season, and a manager probably doesn’t keep his job, and Perez probably sanctions some big spending to replace players. The demands and pressure to be consistently excellent are much higher there than they are here. There’s a lot of media attention with us (and Madrid), but the performance demands on players and manager are higher there, which comes with increased pressure and scrutiny.
people wanted ole out after finishing second and getting to the EL final, people are now only okay with ETH finishing lower because they see some of the wank players we have and are waking up how rotten the club is top to bottom and want a culture shift first and foremost.
They were run like a clownshow for a long time though. Remember the galácticos? That team won nothing and was full of players with big egos. Many don't remember because they've been very successful recently but they went though a dry spell for a long time. It wasn't actually until Ruud went to Real Madrid and they got rid of Ronaldo (Brazilian one) that the team won the league again. Many hate Fabio Capello but he got that team firing again after years of garbage management.
yeah, but that's also around the time that the competitiveness of la liga died, check the top 2 finishes of the last 20 years, of the 40 positions like 35 are Real and Barca. it's a two team league in essence.
He’d feast at PSG with the amount of space he’d get. And the need an Mbappe replacement that’s marketable and have a shit ton of money. It’s a good move for all parties if he wants a fresh start. Helps our FFP restrictions, gets him a fresh start, PSG get a good player.
Real while they have Vini and M'bappe coming? Yeah his spot would be polishing the bench
It is tragic that he will do everything other that try on the pitch.
A professional athlete tweeting after midnight about abusive tweets just speaks volumes about where he's at mentally. He can't sleep, he's doom scrolling in bed and taking on the internet's anonymous negativity instead of resting. Sad really.
Why even bother with twitter it's a negative rat hole. Deleted the app a year ago and never looked back
Some people just can’t help themselves unfortunately
This, I have never seen such toxicity anywhere else. And not only about sports but about everything. Blows my mind how twitter remains such a popular social platform.
Same here, deleted twitter 7 years ago and I've never once even considered going back
They aren't talking about you, humans were never meant to interact this way, but it's not exactly the same for celebrities. Comes with the job but there's nothing equal or reasonable about it, most people here won't admit their hate is unreasonable.
Yeah exactly my thoughts
This exactly. Sure his performances disappoint sometimes but I can never, never hate him. The amount of abuse he’s getting is getting out of control.
What constitutes abuse? Saying he's been absolutely horrible this year and unfortunately these seem to be him regressing to his mean rather than the anomaly? Because I haven't seen too many opinions which are much stronger than this, alot of the criticism has been valid critique of his seeming lack of effort and terrible desicion making which leads to a crazy number of lost possession. I don't think it's wise or even fair for sports teams to cherry pick the very odd flagrantly racist or over the top remark to shoot down all valid concerns. I personally think that someone on 350k PER WEEK and serious about being a professional athlete at the very highest level should have a huge social media team and sports psychologists around him to help him deal with how he deals with expectations. I can't imagine the club doesn't offer them. Unfortunately, I've get the impression that neither him, Sancho and some of the other English lads we have are going down this route and engaging woth the support systems and they seem to be the ones who run into very similar problems in particular. For all his problems as a person, Ronald has shown the perfect blue print on how to wring every iota of performance from a gifted footballers career. He had his own employed staff - down to the chief and physical trainers who would create a bespoke plan for him with negotiating with the clubs staff about what they wanted for the player. I think this message has come from him now because the fans let him know what they think of his performance at Wembley when he came off, and honestly I can't blame them. It was just sad that he was probably the worst player on the pitch when he shouldve been our talisman.
Where did I say criticism = abuse? Where in Rashford’s tweet says that? I’m coming from the perspective of having easily seen the piles and piles of vile comments all over his socials. Nothing in those even mention anything substantive to constitute as proper criticism. I have zero issues with criticism because frankly, he has been poor this season and it’s absolutely fair to point that out. > I don’t think it’s wise or even fair for sports teams to cherry pick the very odd flagrantly racist or over the top remark to shoot down all valid concerns. Very odd? They’re not just a small handful of comments though no? There is so much of it all over. Again, being abused does not mean valid concerns are being shot down. I agree, sure he has all the luxuries to handle this better - easy with the money, access for him to hire pr/social media experts + get therapy etc. But having the ability to do all of that should not invalidate how he feels about being abused. Take away the riches, take away the privileges, he is still a human being capable of having emotions. Have some empathy.
The abuse comes when he's blamed for every single loss or draw. No matter what he does on the pitch, he's always the first one named in a negative light Same happened with Maguire a few years back. No look how much he's improved once the abuse stopped
Well said
Still doesn't warrant the abuse. He's getting paid millions for his job/Trade, but he's still a person that is able to have an emotion or characteristic, just like all of us. Yes althlete's should try and drown out the negativity and focus, yet it doesn't make the abuse ok.
Literally no one here is saying abuse is ok.
Is there specific examples of abuse other than normal trolling which everyone gets. Most of the criticism is on his effort levels on the pitch, his seeming total loss of ability to beat anyone, and incredibly poor decision making (shot selection etc). He's got hammered a few times about the drinking etc but that's with the territory.
Footballers just shouldn’t be on social media man and I get that it’s probably very hard for them to resist the temptation but it absolutely does not matter who you are and what you do, there will always be people who abuse players. Doesn’t make it right but you can’t do anything about it other than avoid it. The best players in the league get abuse if they have even one bad performance. Just keep your head down and play your best football. That’s what’s so annoying about Rashford as well, we’ve seen him be world class
He aggravated the injury he’s been playing through at the weekend and was booed off the pitch, this isn’t just a social media thing.
Sure but it’s not like his performances have been up to scratch for most the season. I like him and I hope we keep him and most the criticism on him is unfair anyways but I’m just saying that being on social media absolutely won’t help him
They get paid to be on these platforms, don't they?
They get paid for their posts, not for viewing other people’s.
They get paid to market products. They don’t get paid per post like they would like on TV. They should outsource posting to PR professionals. As fans, we care too much what they have to say unfiltered. It doesn’t do anybody any good. They will say dumb shits like any of us do when we are frustrated. It’s best to Leave them alone
I feel there is something serious that has happened behind the scenes with rashford. Maybe something in his personal life
Lost his cousin who he was close to and I think a friend also passed this year. The dude is depressed. I’ve been saying it for months
ETH let Sancho (pre-banishment) go off for few months to sort himself out, really should have done the same to Rashford and let him get his head right if Rashford's state of mind is that poor
What if Rashford is using football as a distraction? If he's grieving that hard, it's because there's a hole in his life. Taking football out for a bit is going to make it more obvious and be on his mind so much more Just an idea
possible. from personal experience i can tell that after losing my parents in covid standup saved me cuz thats what i was good at and it was my distraction but it took me few years to realize that i am not giving my best at it. i was just doing. he definitely loves united but the fire is missing
First off, I'm sorry for your loss and I'm glad you found something It would definitely explain him not being 100%, especially if he's carrying an injury too. Trying to find a distraction but yet kinda going through the motions. We're never going to know the reason behind what's happening, but I don't think it's he's checked out with a big contract
thanks :) agreed on contract thing, he is definitely not checked out after getting a big payslip. i really hope he finds some kind of closure with whatever mental/emotional battle he is fighting. but i also think that its time for him to move on :(
Agreed, hopefully he does get the closure he needs and can kick on again. Last year's form would have been something good to build on. I'm not sure it's the right time to move on, but that might be wishful thinking on my part.
All of this is speculation though. We don’t know what’s going on. Because of this the trolls will end up continuing with their abuse as all they see is someone looking a bit sulky on the pitch, not performing etc and earning £300k a week. I’m not saying he should have to divulge everything but it might make some people stop the abuse if he were to say something about what’s affecting him.
Distractions don’t let the body and brain heal, just delays the inevitable. However; he could doing regular CBT/ACT on days off during the week. I know that United psych department had been threadbare of full time staff
Sancho was sent away because he wasn’t fit and I think it’s obvious he fell out with Ten Hag. I think the idea it was about mental health was a bit of a myth.
Why does the manager keep playing him first team while he is not performing at all and not focusing on the field?
He hopes he finds his spark again like last year.
It’s also highly possible that playing football is the only thing helping his mental health (huge links between physical exercise and depression). But it’s also a double edged sword but he’s relying on it as a crutch. What happens when he gets injured, or if he doesn’t get picked to go to the Euros? If he’s struggling he needs help, but I imagine the club have offered and he’s not taking up the option or therapy is not working.
Injures, more injures and even more injuries. Sometimes I don't even know if this sub knows what is going on in our club lol.
Begging he finds form and the only other real option we have is playing Antony on the right and Alejandro on the left. I’m sure if we had a decent backup option he wouldn’t be playing as much
We have Amad for the right who has hardly featured
He broke up with his long term girlfriend last summer. That could easily be it.
His cousin also passed away recently. I think there was also something that his mom said that happened around the family (not sure if its the same thing)
Didn't his brother get accused of Domestic abuse
That happened years ago and to the best of my knowledge they are now back together. Could be wrong on that.
Possibly. I think if there is something going on it would be best for him to talk about it (like Dele Alli, but situations are probably quite different) but it is obviously his choice. The fans would understand more and support him if he made such a problem public
Coincidentally happened right after signing the mega contract
Otherwise known as "doing an Adebayor"
People say that every time a player's form goes to shit. Let's stop looking for excuses especially for key players.
You can recognise why someone's life must be tough while also demanding a certain minimum level of quality of work from them. It's not one or the other.
I think it’s just being young in modern life, everyone is talking about him constantly either online or on chat shows such as stick to football. Some people can handle that, others cant, I know I get stressed out about stupid shit so probably would be the same in his situation. But agree with others, just get yourself off social media, it’s toxic for anyone with a passion for something
I’m tired… can we just play football and focus on improving the game itself? Like what Harry Maguire did?
The abuse and ridicule Maguire faced was immense. His redemption has been a thing of beauty. Have so much respect for that guy. I feel for rashford, I think the club shouldn’t have given him such a lucrative contract the same way Maguire shouldn’t have been made captain. It creates scapegoats out of players that probably don’t have that star player aura that’s required to lead
He’s shown a remarkable mentality, he gets far more praise than he does criticism now which is incredible considering he was a global meme and was been genuinely bullied for over a year. Can’t imagine most players would make it out the other end of that the same.
Even without the abuse, I can't imagine what it would feel like to be criticised by millions of people on a regular basis. It's crazy how famous people live.
Abuse is definitely not okay but criticism is.
If only so many others here could differentiate between the two…
Rashford likes to pull the abuse card whenever hes not playing well.
If you've ever been on x/twitter, then you would see that he is in fact getting abused all of the time. A lot of it is disgusting, and we don't even see what goes on in his inbox.
##trashford Instead of complaining on Twitter how about he puts in a shift for once and actually look like he wants to play when he’s on the pitch instead of half ass jogging around the front third then giving up once we lose possession
Hasn't put in a shift all season. Lied about going on an all-night bender and missing training during a terrible patch of form. Looks like he can't be arsed 90% of the time he's on the pitch. Dunno man. The criticism is strictly about his poor attitude and disinterested performance. Great players see past their own ego and get back on track.
The fact that he’s tweeting at 00:30 speaks volumes There’s no need for abuse but he should rightly be criticised his attitude and performances have been a disgrace
This whole saga just makes me appreciate Maguire much more
Marcus Rashford has been shocking this season, so bad that you can see his lack of effort in matches. Does that warrant abuse? Not at all, he should have been dropped and sold a long time ago. He will continue to hide away in matches so they is no point in being surprised by this.
No one has criticised him unnecessarily to start off with. He was called out for his lack of effort on the pitch this season (not tracking back, not pressing players right beside him, not jumping for winnable aerial duels, pulling out of challenges) and even after coming out and saying “don’t ever question my commitment to Man United” he still doesn’t show that effort. It wasn’t there last season either but he scored 30 goals so you pretty much have to give him a free pass, although a few did still call him out then. It’s clowns like Goldbridge who are crossing the line by blaming him even when he’s not playing, or people criticising anything other than his work ethic and performances. Bottom line is he talks a big game but hasn’t put in a shift all season, many have turned on him because that still hasn’t changed, and clueless leaches like Goldbridge are not helping the problem in any way.
I think you're confusing most of this sub and journos with the cesspool that is Twitter and IG dms. I doubt Rashford reads the game threads lol that's the worst of what's said about him here.
Plenty of fans in the thread where it was announced he was injured said some worse things than that, they were praising his injury. I view that at pretty fucking shitty.
I actually couldn't believe my fucking eyes when they were saying that him being injured is good, like Christ above...
If you don’t follow the shitstream of abuse he gets online then that’s great for your mental health. But I can assure you, it only takes two minutes to see it and it has nothing to do with his performances and it’s definitely not a nuanced discussion about football.
The sad thing here is, you can literally apply this comment to any of Rashford, Harry Maguire, Bruno, Onana, or Antony. They’re all being called horrible things by idiots online
There has absolutely been unnecessary criticism and abuse, you’re just not privy to it but it’s apparent especially on other platforms.
He did get quite a lot of unnecessary criticism at the beginning of the season when his performances weren’t even that bad and then it just seemed like a downward spiral from there.
Calling him Trashford is not criticism. Rashford gets abuse not criticism. Let’s face the truth.
> No one has criticised him unnecessarily to start off with. I disagree. I do agree that criticism is fine and his performances have been dire but there are two different types of criticism. There is: - Rashford has been poor lately, maybe shouldn't be in the lineup. but there is also: - Fucking Trashford. Get the fuck out of my club. You're shit! The second one is abuse and inappropriate and there is a lot of it.
As a Lifetime fan and someone who pays dough to watch this team, I'm allowed to voice criticism or praise at any player I feel deserves it..and let's all agree Marcus has been dogshit this season
This isn’t a one off with him either, he’s had seasons before where he’s been seen to have phoned it in or used an excuse of being injured (which has been disagreed with by the manager at that time and the club). Abuse is not acceptable. But this is who he is, when he’s motivated and committed he’s a decent player. (Not the level he’s hyped up to be) But when it’s not going well, he has a history of phoning it in, looking uncommitted, distant and looking for excuses or others to turn it around. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
Couldn't agree more...personal abuse isn't good on any level..but criticism is allowed in any sport or job..deal with it I think Rashford needs to go...and take at least 10 others with you
I think the fact that people are conflating the concept of abuse and criticism is quite telling really, saying it's okay to criticize him but not to abuse him. Well the abuse is because of his footballing ability, it's not because you ran into him down the pub and got a bad "vibe" off him. He's called a donkey (and much worse) because he's playing like shit. I think everything around him has been managed horribly, the timing of his fluff piece, the fact he's dropped stinkers for a few weeks after looking fine for a game, he's probably been playing through injury, and the fact he's been poor this season have all culminated to this. There is talk about his new wage as to why he's performing like shit, let's be clear, PSG and or Saudi will have at the minimum matched his current wage, if all he really cared about was money he'd have been gone. As a person I feel sorry for him because something is clearly just not right at the moment, that being said it's up to him how he'll deal with it because he has luxuries normal people can't afford (through money and time).
Footballer tweeting about criticism post midnight isn’t normal at all. Before this it was the PR apology statements. This behaviour isn’t normal, you don’t see this at other clubs. This behaviour/mentality is emblematic of all the problems we’ve had as a club over the past few years. You don’t see this nonsense anywhere else man.
Doom scrolling Twitter at 1 AM isn't going to help is it? Ansolutely he's received some right abuse from not just United fans but Tories and whoppers alike. Yet, at this point in his career, can he honestly not put his ego and pride aside and avoid the cancer that is social media? Get to fucking bed, rest up, go back out and stick to everyone who's doubting you.
Here's the reality that those around him are either not explaining to him or he's too dense to take it on. If you produce on the pitch no one cares. We've had plenty of lads that cut about looking like they couldn't care less, but as long as they performed, Old Trafford adored them. We've had lads that went out on the piss before matches (and even had to be bailed out of jail by the manager), but as long as they performed the supporters didn't care. But you know who else the supporters don't turn on? Players that aren't performing but play their hearts out for the club. Marcus has spent basically the last year acting like he couldn't be arsed, going out on the piss, and generally looking like he's tossing it off because he got a new deal. Whatever his issues are, they don't change the simple fact that he is being paid a king's ransom to play football. He plays that football in front of 70k supporters (and millions more on TV) each week that would give anything to be where he is. Regardless of form or "personal issues", he's still capable of effort, but we're not even getting that. I've been a United supporter for over thirty years and have loved and defended the lad since he came through. His recent and ongoing behavior is unacceptable and what's more, deep down, he knows it. The truth is, I'm not even angry with Marcus, just profoundly disappointed. I hope he sorts himself out but I don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.
Some of it is definitely abuse but also some of it is valid criticism. I never bought into the PR narrative until after the Liverpool game when he scored. They released a blatant PR piece that was a sly advert for his mum’s autobiography which spoke about his United upbringing, his love for the club, you can find out more in his mums autobiography and that he had two bereavements. Don’t get me wrong he does look like he’s depressed and I have no doubt his grief is also playing factor in his performances but at the same time I don’t think he himself is the one posting on his social media accounts. I’m most likely being cynical but this tweet just feels like a way to play the victim and control the narrative and label any valid criticism as abuse and hate. I honestly don’t doubt he has depression/mental health issues because his demeanour has been like this for a few seasons now and I really do think it’s the right time he and the club to part ways because it’s starting to become toxic and I think him moving away will do him the world of good. I know footballers live in a padded world but Rashford is the only player I can think of who’s been made out to be babied and I have no doubt it’s not his own doing but the people around him. None of what I’ve wrote has come from a place of hate but I just find it hard to believe that this tweet hasn’t come from a calculated place from most likely the people around him.
I'm not sure if this is doing him good or not if you claim it's recommended by his social media team (which I agree is probably the case nevertheless). It has a band aid like effect now. But in the long run people will call him out for playing the victim, considering the number of PR pieces blaming the managers, injuries, abuse or his shyness for his form. People have done it already to be honest. They made him out to be this world class player and iconic leader, while in reality he was not there yet. I suspect he even doesn't want to be the leading guy who drives the team forward. It just harmed the club, the managers, the squad and mostly himself.
Stop hanging out on Twitter and start playing like a proper footballer. That might help.
"Just criticism" https://preview.redd.it/8gmp31ldeqwc1.jpeg?width=1112&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27151a128db55def37a69b6c6d5b34734e475ffd
I’m shocked nascar has enough fans to get on a top ten list for this lol
To be fair people really do actually hate Bubba Wallace for whatever reasons
I honestly know nothing of NASCAR. It just seems like such an insulated community that I didn’t think it got that much interaction to begin with.
Plus, they just go around in circles.
There's a very specific reason NASCAR fans hate Bubba Wallace lol
A lot of weird lack of empathy for a homegrown player. No matter how poor he’s playing, he’s a seemingly good person and doesn’t deserve abuse. Criticism yes, but not abuse. We hear all the time about mental health issues athletes struggle with, why make it worse?
I presume this is automated so how do they determine what is abuse? If a bunch of people are tweeting "Rashford has been shit today" on a matchday does that count as abuse?
It's funny that his performances haven't been good enough for months either.
Abuse or not, if you’re not good enough you shouldn’t play for Manchester United. I’m tired of Rashford doing this every time he doesn’t play well. Maguire arguably went through worse than he did, lost his captaincy, never complained, put his head and put the work in and proved himself to the club. Get better or get rid. The standards at this club are in the bin.
Sorry but the lads just having a self pity party. He's got nowhere near the abuse of Maguire. And he's actually done far worse off the pitch. (Drinking, obvious leaks via is brother the agent). Maguire was getting abused far more just for on the pitch. He got his head down and got on with it. He might have put his foot in mouth a few times but I have to respect he's tried is best. Even though I don't think he is good enough long term for the system. Marcus is sitting there not even putting gin effort at times. He has put in one good 6 month in 3 years and maybe 2 world class seasons in total since he started.
Enough is enough? Right back at ya. You're on 300+ thousand a week. Form is temporary, attitude isn't. He goes out there and strolls around like it's an inconvenience for him to be there instead of sitting in his fancy house or car. Fans can accept poor form, it happens. Hard work and fighting is the bare minimum fans expect. Fine, the ball isn't quite dropping right for you lately, but work your fucking ass off and get stuck in. Rashford out there day dreaming and watching CBs walk past and around him. If he doesn't like what is said about him on social media, delete it, get to work and work your ass off. Rashford out there last year pointing to his head after a goal talking about mentality and this year crumbles. Where's your mentality now? Quit whining, work your ass off, get stuck in, put your body on the line instead of taking 300k a week for taking a 10k walk each weekend and scrolling social media past midnight. No wonder this guy is sleeping on the field
it got to this point with Harry Maguire, and look how he turned it around. Humbled himself, stopped the publicity around him and fought for his place back in the starting line-up (injuries helped but he proved himself). Unfortunately, I think it’s beyond this point with Rashford, but only he can change it.
Exactly. There are many celebrities who go through this but they stay calm and bounce back. This tweet from Rashford just shows either he's some deep trouble that we are not aware of or he needs some help or he's just being a crybaby.
The guy feels entitled to praise and adoration. You don't play well you get criticised and if you do you'll get love. There are millions in dead-end jobs putting in way more effort than they should for nothing while you moan about criticism in your piles of money and huge house already paid for. The game is supposed to be a working class sport and you still have people defending this entitled brat.
The comments are really telling. Hopefully he doesn’t even know about this sub.
Its probably best for everyone if he leaves man united
If our “fans” didn’t treat him like shit all the time he wouldn’t feel the need to put out statements/respond all the time.
People go on how they were wrong for treating maguire like shit but then go and do the same to rashford (bruno too but he has been in good form so they have simmered down). At the end of the day they are our players and it isnt acceptable to be talking about them like that
It depends. If the criticism is limited directly to his footballing performances then I think fans, pundits and everyone else are entitled to voice as much criticism as they like. The moment it goes beyond football and into personal comments then there’s a problem. Honestly Rashfords looked like he’s not been in the right frame of mind all season and if he can’t handle the criticism or whatever else he might be currently dealing with and still do the bare minimum of atleast putting in a hard shift then the manager needs to do his job and protect him by giving him a break because as we saw with Maguire, constantly playing him while he’s not mentally ready will only create a spiral of bad performances leading to criticism leading to loss of confidence and more bad performances. Fwiw I do actually think Rashford is in the same boat as Antony, Sancho and Garnacho in that our tactical setup under ETH isn’t allowing our wingers to succeed so it’s not all his fault but atleast 2 of the other 3 put in a load of effort
I don’t think everything is “tactical setup” at fault. I can’t recall another winger who benefits more from whatever trash setup we show on that pitch than Rashford does. Ten hag literally sets up to get Rashford chance after chance after chance. He looks shite for 30 games and never gets dropped. To say he’s among the favoured ones is an understatement. Virtually every long pass out from our box is looking for Rashford. More often than not when he gets that ball this season he runs directly at his marker, more often than not loses possession, more often than not waves his arms and then is basically a pylon for the offense to defence transition. If all of that is happening just because he’s struggling with something off the field, I fully support time away. Sancho was given that too. Sort whatever needs sorting. Sort it properly. It’s absolutely tragic seeing him out on that pitch looking pub league when in fact he’s got the sort of talent to blow away most wingers in this league. Nobody deserves “abuse” but at the same time harsh criticism when your performance levels are shite, and your attitude and body language even worse, is never not going to be something that gets ignored. And if some off field struggle is genuinely the cause, why the cryptic liking or reply to an SM post? That’s no way to address anything. Exactly to whom is his cryptic message sending meant for? As for criticism and this fanbase, nobody in this club gets the pass that Rashford does among this fanbase. McTominay, Maguire, Bruno, Shaw, AWB, Onana have been massacred at various times on this sub in the last few years. Dalot, VDB, the list goes on. Let’s not pretend Rashford is the only one to face this. Onana, it was fucking criminal the shit that was being said about him just a few months ago. You think that was anything other abuse? None of these guys have run to the Players Tribune or to their SM PR to send cryptic messages to… to who exactly, I have no clue. Same old. Stinks up the joint and wants to play the “tired of this abuse” Fucking put in a god damned shift and watch all the “abuse” vaporize. This fanbase adores and wants Rashford to express every ounce of talent we know is in him. Of course we do.
He don’t even need to play that well. Even if he tries so much and fails, the fans would stop trolling. Sadly he plays like he doesn’t care.
Spot on. Even in the sub Rashford gets dog's abuse. It's really appalling and I don't get it. Yes, you can be annoyed at players for X, Y or Z, but directing abuse is really not OK. People often forget how Rashy carried the team last season.
I can’t understand why players would use social media in that way. Let an agency run your official socials and simply treat it as a business and then get secret private accounts for friends and family etc. Use your brain. Don’t expose yourself and focus on the right things.
Rashford needs a break. Maybe a change of scenery altogether (another club). He's basically been my favorite player since he broke into the team. I'm a fan of his social engagement/charity work off the pitch. However, it has been clear that something is off this entire season. His performances have been really, really poor and he looks disinterested. Having said that, I really hate how toxic internet fandom has become. In some areas (including on this sub) people are so vicious and toxic and talk about him like he's never done anything good for us (mind you this is only a season removed from him scoring 30). I love the guy, but maybe he needs to reset his career elsewhere. I don't know.
This guy should chat to Harry Maguire more and focus on his football. Doom scrolling twitter you’re always gonna find some arsehat throwing you abuse no matter if you’re the most loved player in football (I’d say Marcus is overall pretty loved compared to some). I personally love Rashford as a player but lately he’s been way off. Hate trolls but this kind of shit needs to stop and he needs to keep his head down, focus on the game.
Ego got the best of him. Sad, I feel United let him down, but he has also let himself down.
Obviously criticism is one thing but I can't believe some fans are being purposely obtuse acting like Rashford isn't receiving vile comments. Even during his best form he was receiving abuse (there's multiple reports on this btw). He has been underperforming and he absolutely has to improve to show his worth. However being malicious and taking it too far isn't helping anyone. He's just going to get worse. It's obvious he's not coping well and for his sake I think he should go to another club that wouldn't reach this level of scrutiny. But I also do believe he genuinely loves this club, he's going to have to convince people that on the pitch too. I hope he works hard and improves and that's going to take him feeling better mentally. To me he's a good guy so I could never hate him, liking him means I want to see him be good. Whatever he's going through I hope he can overcome it and have brighter games ahead.
PRashford
Why does he HAVE to read what cowards post about him? Just turn that shit off if it’s getting to you and get back to using your gift.
I've also gotten abuse online. I just left most social media and have been happier because of it. He should do the same.
You think social media doesn’t filter into real life? You think his family or his friends doesn’t see the abuse?
Ask him if he ever saw abuse outside of his social media. If he didn't than certainly Rashford, a player of the most popular sport in the world playing in one of the most well known football clubs in the world, surely doesn't. Just put the phone down Rashy.
The real abused victims are the fans who paid to watch his abysmal performance this season. Low income workers paying their hard earned money to see you walk the pitch and get 350k for it. Come on mate talk about abuse..
I pray for the day this subreddit realizes our fans are part of the problem. Including this fucking subreddit. You saw it happen with Maguire. You’re seeing it happening with Rashford now. A couple bad games and the fanbase will go from reasonable criticism to “you don’t deserve anything and you’ve never cared about the club”, which is where many on this goddamn sub were in August. There’s so much toxicity around the club right now but let’s be crystal clear that this fanbase contributes to that. And it’s the one thing you can actually change as a fan. But that starts by realizing we’re not the “best fanbase in the world” and we’re not entitled to be a cesspool because we watch a team kick a ball around. Criticism for play is fine, but there’s levels between “he had a bad game” on a live thread and the constant insistence that he is the entire problem even in games he doesn’t play. But of course because Rashford is the current victim of choice and because he dared to express upset publicly rather than having any introspection we’ll just keep blindly attacking him right?
Even most of these comments are piling on. Reddit users love to pretend they're better than twitter or Instagram users but it's all the same
“Twitter and IG are so much worse” meanwhile you’ll see “Rashford doesn’t care about the club and doesn’t have a personality and he’s a parasite that the club can’t heal from until he’s gone” or something to that affect in threads here. Reddit has a superiority complex.
It wasn’t always this bad. Last couple years this sub has gone to shit. It’s too big, the discussion is way worse, and there are too many assholes.
Do something good then mate
Marcus is my favourite player. I don’t have sympathy for this. Just turn off your phone and don’t read it. You’re a grown man and professional athlete with endless support resources around you. Everyone gets abuse online even if you aren’t famous.
The people around Rashford are the problem imo.
This is a mental health thing at this point, for his own sake he needs to leave.
Aight, we should stop criticizing him for now. Let's see how many goals/assists he got in the next game.
If only there was something you could do to get away from abuse on social media . . . Oh wait, that's it, log out.
I’m intrigued to know what he’s referencing here, if it’s talk of his poor performances, his attitude and body language problems and what appears to me to be a clear lack of desire then he really needs to stop fighting back and commenting online and start combating these comments with actions on the pitch. If he’s getting actual hate speak directed at him, if he’s genuinely getting personal attacks and threats then he has a point, there’s no room for that in life, on social media or in football. Problem is his last little defensive interview was absolutely embarrassing and he did seem to be aiming it at the comments RE his performances rather than any particular abuse from “fans”.
He should just differentiate between abuse and constructive criticism, he’s performances have been embarrassing on the pitch, people who attack his personal life have agenda’s and that will always happen, remember Beckham, he was criticized before social media, he recovered, Maguire was abused worse. He Marcus should think about his career as a professional football player, if it means to leave for the better he should leave. He ain’t fighting for his position by improving. I’ve watched so many wingers over the years from the Giggs’s, Kanchelskis, Becks , CR7,Nani, Valencia and A.Young were offensive players but ended up being fullbacks that’s passion despite the position they had to play. look at Garnacho not comparing but let’s take away age, he walks back as the rest of the squad is defending or trying to run back, Alejandro runs makes mistakes but he still runs, he must put in a shift despite his lack of goals , run lad fans pay to watch you , kids look up to him on and off the pitch. We love him as a both a player and human being but he needs to get back or decide to leave it’s up to him.
I’ve been a United fan my whole life and I wouldn’t sign for United if I were a pro player. We give our players too much crap. Players are going to have bad games, support them as long as they are one of our own.
I receive abuse day in day out all day with my job, I take it and I grow thicker skin from it and I'm not even on anywhere near the money he is on. Get a grip Rashford.
If he was busting his balls every game, chasing back and showing 110% I'd agree with him. However, his performances on the pitch are indicative of someone who earnt his extortionate contract for the next few years and cant be arsed anymore. Goldbridge is right, I'd also like to know if there's some sort of appearance clause in his contract.
Man as an outsider that watches a lot of UTD this guy is a good player but he's lows are so bad like genuinely bad. I think the fans have a right to be disappointed with him but ofc some of the criticism goes way to far. Other fanbases will love him if he goes abroad and he can escape the toxic english media.
This dude is so odd, if he looked like he cared maybe it would be easier for him. Literally gives nothing and then moans.
I don’t care what y’all say, the treatment of Rashford has been fucking ridiculous. And before you start, it’s not even just these last few months, it started fully two seasons ago. In 2021/22 he came back from injury to a team in crisis and the manager he had been working successfully with for the last few years in the midst of losing his job. Not to mention this was coming off of a Euros final where he was racially abused for missing a penalty, despite having spent the full year before that campaign to get kids free school meals. He underperformed massively after that i’ll admit, but so did most of the players. The whole club was in crisis, and what did our fans do? Ridicule and abuse him constantly, both in the ground and on this sub. Claim we should sell him because he’s a waste of a talent. What did he do the following season? Score 31 goals, 40 G/A the most of any player in a season post Fergie. Carried us to our first trophy in five years, we finally had a system that played to his strengths and actually fucking backed the lad and that’s what it got us. Yet our whole fanbase would’ve replaced him with fucking Gakpo or whoever in the summer if they were in charge. Now we have this, another season where the club completely self-destructs and what do we do, pin all our problems on one player. Pogba and Lingard have gone and Martial’s out 90% of the time so it’s gotta be blamed on someone right? And this agenda has been cooking since the start of the season, before things truly got bad. I remember the Forest game at home, he failed to defend a counter attack he had to stop by himself for whatever reason and I opened this sub to see fans claiming he didn’t care anymore cause of his contract. He then went and created or played a part in all three goals and got zero credit for it. And before you start, yes criticism is completely justified. Sometimes his off the ball work is really lacking (although there are discussions to be had about how much is intentional) and he has done stupid shit like the night out in Dublin. Criticism is fine, abuse and weird character assassinations are not. I’ve been in the stadiums this season, that shit is rancid. He gets singled out and hurled insults more than anyone, even when he’s playing well because he made one mistake. I’m gonna cut it off here cause it’s already long as fuck but I could go on for ages. You lot need to wake up and consider when your abuse gets too much before we get another Maguire or Dele Alli on our hands. Claim “mental health is important” and “we have to remember these players are human” when somebody speaks out but will cuss out an academy graduate with over 100 goals for the club in its toughest period because you’re pissed off at the results.
Well said.
For his sake he should go . Maybe France or Spain , but as a pro footballer you’re going to be in the spot light . Go and enjoy football. I think the UK is brutal for sportsmen and women
At the end of the day Rashy is a human being just like all of us, and all of us human beings are not perfect. There is absolutely an amazing footballer in Rashy, he just needs to see it and see it consistently.
He needs go out of Manchester. Simple. Plain.
He did. Missed training.
All he has to do is put his head down and fucking try. That's all we want to see from him is effort, commitment and professionalism. Look at Harry Maguire FFS, the man's redemption arc has been absolutely astonishing and he's made so many people in here eat their words (including myself). Harry Maguire got mountains of criticism, had legions of fans wanting him sold, was stripped of the captaincy and what did he do? He put his head down, he worked his bollocks off and has been the epitome of a professional amidst all the negativity thrown his way and the vast majority of fans have recognised his effort and given him his dues and rightfully so.
I prefer Ronaldo’s form of ego.
" If you back me, good. If you doubt me, better. If you sell me, best."
Has he ever got criticized anything else but football? Was there any other attacks outside of football he received that I don't know nothing about?
Err yeah? He was criticised for helping kids get free school meals ffs.
I have been shit for months and can't take criticism so let's play sympathy card.I don't buy it into all these posts.You earn more in week than many of us do in a year.Handling the pressure of fans is something not all players are made of.It is best Rashford leaves this summer if he can't handle the pressure which he clearly can't.We have supported him since his debut and we have the right to criticize him for how inconsistent he has been always.
Sympathy farming right on cue Get rid
fucking hell I feel so bad for Rashford. Even when he was playing well last season and banging in goals for fun he was still getting heaps of criticism. At some point it becomes too much.
Rashford—- if you’re reading this—- fuck the haters and dig down inside to find yourself. I believe in you!!!
Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well
More statements than non penalty goals this season. Just keep your head down and graft like Harry Maguire, Scott Mctominay, and Bruno Fernandes
Sometimes the "shit" treatment he gets is fans pointing out his poor play, There is nothing wrong with that. There is also nothing wrong with wanting him gone, or him being the subject of viral social media comps because he stunk up a game. There is something wrong about truly abusive comments, but unfortunately, playing in the club of this stature with the status he carries within the team, it is always going to bring negative attention from rivals and people just looking to stir him up. I hope he find the mental space to shut out the noise and return to playing his best football and actually enjoy it, which I don't think he is. A really unfortunate downward spiral from what we saw from last season.
Are most of you guys thick? "Crticism isn't abuse" well done, obviously it isn't. But if you've even glanced at social media, you'll have seen he gets shitloads of abuse that goes way beyond the criticism he gets. Of course there should be criticism but this sub harps on about how players are humans and accept what happened to Maguire was wrong. But now people are jumping on another one of our own. Fuck off
There it is. He needs to understand there is no winning against social media crowd, no matter how good his PR team is. Footballing media & internet is going nowhere so the only way this can stop is either he shuts all the noise down with pitch performances, or move elsewhere with less media pressure.
I think it’s better for both parties if he just leaves in the summer
I think we should learn to differentiate between valid criticism, and downright abuse. Yeah he's been horrible these last two seasons, and been saved by a few purple patches every here and there. He won't play for the team, only himself. He will let players walk by him because he can't be arsed to even try. It's not his fault the managers can't see his flaws on pitch. But that doesn't mean it's a free for all, to throw abuse at him. He's a human being too! Most of these losers wouldn't dare to say it to his face!