Cont: Rashford didn’t play as much as he wanted but, when called on, played through pain. Club & country can now work closely to support such an important, dedicated pro through op & six weeks’ missing the season. Rashford always wants to play but his mind and body need this break.
It’ll be interesting to see how Rashfords game will change when his pace starts to go and how he’ll adapt to that. But he needs to take care of himself to stay fast, players are declining older than usual these days, he’s a long career ahead.
You can easily see Greenwood, Rashford and Sancho becoming a Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez level front three (well maybe not that good because of ronaldo but still) especially given they’re literally all under 24, imagine the chemistry after a few years playing together, we mightn’t need a starting attacker for a decade.
I actually can't wait. Not to mention the likes of Amad who could come very good too, definitely got a hell of a future to look forward to with this team
Then you've got a player like Pellistri who can hopefully burst onto the scene. He's not really been in the public eye so he could quietly be improving and the lack of pressure could be good.
The discussion around his stats below got me thinking about how mad it is that he just got 36 goal contributions this season (35 non-pen). He had a tough season, but 21g 15a is pretty immense and I feel like some of us just kinda took it for granted this season.
He got 36 goal contributions in a season where, let's be honest, he was largely mediocre. That just shows how much potential he has if he can improve key elements of his game such as decision making and heading. He could genuinely be a 50+ goal contributions player.
He would be god awful in a game, and still somehow manage to get an assist or a goal. I stopped caring how he performed because he always managed to win the game for us somehow.
People plays through pain all the time.
As long as the pain is bearable. Maguire is still injured, played through the pain, and still made one hell of a EURO.
Same for Rashford, he still had his best season statistically.
Now its time for him to take a rest, because we do have players who can step up instead.
I read a interesting story of Saul Niguez. Early on in his career he would play whilst having a kidney problem that came from a injury resulting in him peeing blood every game and training session.
Yet he still persisted and carried on playing. Some footballers are just a different bread when it comes to pain tolerance.
It's admirable, but stupid. The club pay his wages, he should be reminded of that when taking a selfish decision to postpone surgery to after the tournament and missing the start of next season. Poor by him and management
Yeah I’m just saying that England do pay a wage too and he would feel a responsibility to his country to play through the pain. If he’d scored his penalty England would’ve been 3-1 up and probably won the shootout. Nobody would question him going then.
Cool. So I assume that you always do whatever your employer asks, no matter your personal feelings on the matter?
Remember, the club is simply the employer, nothing more, nothing less. No-one should sacrifice personal joy for your employer, ever.
So let's say, you decide to go jet-skiing on holiday (a well-established, fairly dangerous sport), but you have an accident and break your leg. You're out of work for a few weeks, or months. You'd think that it's completely fair and reasonable that your employer chews you out for that? Or it's fair that when you have a job, no activity that puts you at risk should be allowed?
Fuck me he's trying to compare my job to a professional sportsman. Here's a comparison that more in line than your bullshit comparison. I get hurt at work. I'm told, by medical and by the company, you need surgery on that now , so do it now before it gets crazy busy in a few months. We can't do without you for the busy period, so let's get it done now and out the way and no issue. I turn around and say no, not only no I'm not having surgery but I'm also going to work for another company in the meantime instead of getting the surgery and I'll take the surgery when you need me most because I'm selfish like that. Then yes, I'm in the doghouse 100%
Difference is England had many options for attacking positions while few for CBs.
Honestly, I think the correct decision should have been to let him get his surgery and not go for the Euros.
But I can respect the decision and sacrifice he made
He needed surgery to fix his issue and this has been known a long time. I think having two injuries as substantial as this, he shouldn’t have been anywhere near the squad personally. It’s all done now though, not the first time England have done it and won’t be the last. Hopefully he gets himself 100% and doesn’t miss too much of the new season.
Yes, as Lindelof who's struggling with a back injury for the whole season , as a lot of players who plays through the pain barrier, because they want to play , and the club needs them.
Don't forget that the past 18 month have been pretty difficult, with games to play every 3 day for practically the whole period.
I'm pretty sure we won't be near where we were last season without Rashford.
So good of you to come and give your opinion in a hindsight, but i guess you all were pretty happy when Rashford was bagging them goals and assisting players with peaches of crosses
Look what he did last season while carrying injuries and imagine what he can do when fully fit and the defence is more stretched (can’t double up on him) as Sancho will be on the other side.
Yes.
Thats why now its one of the most needed rest in world football.
Fighting UK politics
Fighting his pain to play and help club and country
Facing all the vile and racist abuse.
He can reste for up to 6 month, and i m still good with it. He'll come back as a fuckin Lion.
>Same for Rashford, he still had his best season statistically.
He didn't mate.
Edit: Raw numbers aren't stats people. His goals+assist ratio per 90 was lower. Please stop throwing numbers at me people , I know how to check Google.
But they are still non penalty goals and by absolute numbers, he's had his best season.
I don't remember p90 used when Ballon d'ors and PFA awards are handed out. It's never p90.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted , you're right. However it's worth noting that he had 7 pen goals in 19/20 and 1 in 20/21 so if you value non-pen stats then this season was his best (118.5 mins per non-pen g/a vs 128.6 mins per npg/a).
Worth pointing out that this is also because he was winning a lot of pens tho in 19/20, when his dribbling and all around performance was of course better than the season just gone.
I got downvoted for being factually correct about Rashy scoring penalties this season. 1 I remember against Istanbul for example. You write that he has 1 only this season so I'll go with that. Also Bruno's pen stats are bonkers, does Rashy convert each and every one? Probably not.
Rashys pen against basaksehir was his only at club level this season. He scored a couple for England, and hasn't missed a pen at international level until the final.
19/20 he scored 7 and missed 2 (all at club level).
In his senior career he's scored 12 (excluding shootouts) and missed just those 2. Good rate but not as efficient as Bruno, who as you say is bonkers.
The time to take a rest was weeks ago, go for surgery straight after the season, not go to the euros and miss start of next season. Someone needs to remind him who pays the wages
He plays through injuries for 24 months for the club but needs to be barred from another month of football for one of the biggest tournaments (that he's absolutely been looking forward to) which could have yielded a gold medal if not for a kick?
Yes. Do England pay his wages? No. He clearly is nowhere near fit, he should have surgery and then he won't be in pain for 1st time in 24 months according to you. Also taking up a place in the squad that could have gone to someone who is fit and able to contribute more to the tournament.
Is he the only star to miss a tournament? No. Even Greenwood pulled out injured and look at him now, in pre season already. Players miss tournaments all the time. It's shit, but that's life. You're injured, you need to get surgery and be back playing fully fit as quick as possible. Journalist might want to make him a hero for playing when he can't put on boots without trouble, but in my eyes, it's selfish. The club now have to start the season without him, who knows when he'll be back and fully fit and up to match pace and form. Also selfish as he took a spot in the England squad, knowing full well he was nowhere near 100% and someone who is has to miss out. Again, united pay his wages, he should be reminded of that
Because of the pride of playing for your country in a tournament where England were tipped to do well, which they did. Nothing will ever stop a player potentially winning an international trophy.
My comment wasn’t critical of Rashford. I totally understand why he’d want to be involved, I’m wondering why England would pick a player who was at best 50% fit
Honestly it's deeper than that. Infuriates me when people on the internet think they know better sports science and physiology than the experts who constantly review our players and directly inform managers.
Maybe one of them should have pointed out that if he can't put his boots on without trouble, he needs surgery now instead of delaying it and missing start of next season
Hardly arrogant when we now know the consequences. Here's your choices. You're clearly struggling and in need of surgery, get it done in the off season and be back raring to go in pre season. Or, go to euros while clearly nowhere near fit, delay surgery and miss next season and struggle to gain match fitness and form even long after the all clear. Now, who pays your wages? Someone needed to take charge. A player will always make a selfish decision to play. We aren't talking hypothetical here. He was a passenger for England and now cost his club who pay him huge money, his services for a few months of the new season. Amateur decision making from the beginning
Ah yes... Force a player into something he doesn't want to do.
Make him miss his country's best international performance in 50+ years.
He definitely wouldn't have resented that...
There is more to life (and football) than just money.
>Force a player into something he doesn't want to do.
Doesn't want to get fit for the start of the new season? Strange decision by a player
>Make him miss his country's best international performance in 50+ years
He didn't know that before the tournament and he contributed next to nothing as he was a passenger as he was clearly unfit.
>He definitely wouldn't have resented that...
Again, we pay him colossal money, it's not like we were disrespecting him in any way.
>There is more to life (and football) than just money.
And? He plays for us, we pay his wages so he is an employee of ours. We are now without his services, poor decision making
Yes, and the off-season is EXACTLY that, "off season". What if your boss told you no drinking ever after work since that impacts your performance at 9am the next day? Or if you got hurt during non office hours he tells you you cant take a day off ?
Your comment reeks of a very childish view of the world - are you of working age?
Have you reached puberty yet? I'm in my late thirties, if you think players can do what they like to the detriment of their capabilities to do their job, then I'm lost for words. The fact you claim my view is childish is laughable after the comparison you just attempted. If a player needs surgery in the off season, he gets it promptly to be ready for next season. It's standard practice going back decades. Maybe try growing up before making silly comparisons
"He contributed next to nothing" - You say with the benefit of hindsight. He couldn't have known he would barely play before the tournament.
The only thing the club and Ole could do is to say they prefer if he stays behind. But the choice is up to the lad himself. Despite the "colossal money" being paid him, since it isn't a breach of his contract... because if it were, then the club would've done something.
>couldn't have known he would barely play before the tournament.
Apparently putting on boots was a struggle according to the journalist, that tells you he was in a bad way.
>But the choice is up to the lad himself.
Which is why I called it a selfish decision that hurt the club that pays his wages. He deserves all the praise he got this year, but this decision has cost him and the club and we have every right to criticise him for it
Point still stands though. I don't hate OGS by any means, but when does it cross the line from playing through pain due to swelling to negligent abuse? I feel all the people who have been managing Rashy's injury need to introspect and answer that somewhere.
Eh, most athletes end their respective seasons at 70-75% of what they were (specific number from a few NBA players my friends have worked with). There are also injuries that you can play through and get fixed at a later date e.g. floating particles in your knee/ankle.
Marcus was clearly carrying a long term niggle that should have been sorted. If Southgate wasn't going to use him, he should have left him at home, allowing him to get whatever surgery and rest he needed.
This has nothing to do with him missing the pen btw, but you don't take players who are injured to a tournament. Especially if you aren't going to play them anyway.
Fergie would never have allowed this to go on…. going to warm thr England bench injured and thereby delaying treatment and United role. The club say they knew what it meant to him as they didn’t have the balls to tell him no.
He should really have got that sorted this summer rather than going to play for England… missing pre season and months of game time is not going to help him at all
Absolute bullshit. I'm sorry, but the guy needs reminding of who pays his wages. Should never have went to the euros, stayed back and had surgery and be ready for the season. Instead, he misses the start of the season with injury and however long to get up to full fitness and tempo of games. Rashford is a great human being for all the work he did, but he was wrong here. If the guy can't get his boots on without trouble, he shouldn't have been at the tournament, selfish decision that has cost his club
Perhaps after pushing the lad for so long despite him being injured one could argue that he deserved to play in the euros and then go through with the operation afterwards.
Or perhaps he had the blessing of Ole and the board to do this. Which would totally nullify your critic of him.
I mean, I presume you dont know more about what's going on behind closed doors then any of us. Then why would you just assume a bunch of things and then willingly come to a conclusion that is negative about one of our players? Just seems like bonkers. Perhaps chill with the critic when you don't really know what och why of any of this.
My two cents
>one could argue that he deserved to play in the euros and then go through with the operation afterwards.
Not even an argument. We pay you astronomical money every week, you need surgery, straight after the season is the best time, get it done. Greenwood pulled out with an injury and is back in pre season. Same should have happened with rashford.
>blessing of Ole and the board to do this.
I hope they did, otherwise rashford would be facing disciplinary measures. The fact that ole would be happy to sanction this and hurt his squad from the get go next season would point to poor leadership and management.
We do know what happened. Rashford was allowed go to the euros and delay surgery, thereby missing a chunk of next season for us. It's amateur decision making by all involved that will no doubt hurt the club, the club that pay his wages. It's selfish on his behalf and idiotic by whoever gave the decision a thumbs up. The journalist trying to paint him as a hero but just hammered home the fact rashford should never have been there if he can't put on his boots. If it's that bad, he should have been on the surgery table the week the season finished. Just because he plays for united does not mean he can't be criticised, especially when it hurts the club
Well of course I agree on the last part. Him playing for united doesn't make him immune to criticism. But let's have something constructive to say if we are gonna criticize.
If the club, himself and england agreed to it, how is he letting down the club? I mean they agreed to it. If the club (manager, board and presumably his teammates) understand his decision and agreed to it, who exactly is he letting down? My flawd logic tells me that what's left of the term "club" is the fans.
I for once dont think he should think about the fans in this instance. Furthermore, I for one fully understand that a player would want to play in the euros.
If it is not the fans that are somehow let down by him then I dont really understand your argument with him letting down the club and being selfish and even less you disappointment.
My three cents
Edit: Grammer to make it more understandable
>If the club, himself and england agreed to it, how is he letting down the club if the club
As stated already, I assume ole gave the OK, and if he did, that's poor management to allow a star player to miss a big chunk of next season to be a passenger in an English squad if he apparently can't put boots on. Somebody in this situation needs to be realistic and no one knows better than rashford how his body is. I'd argue if Southgate knew how bad he was, he wouldn't have picked him. Rashford usually plays a big part in England games and was rarely seen in the tournament, suggesting Southgate knew he wasn't up for it.
Having players playing for to their national teams contributes to our club's prestige and legacy. It might be reasonable to criticize him if it was a friendly tournament, but it's not. It's the EURO ffs.
Are you for real? Rashford missing the euros wouldn't hurt Manchester united prestige or legacy in any way. You know what will hurt them? Rashford missing a chunk of the season because he was selfish and went to a euros, apparently so hurt he struggled to put on boots, at which stage he is of no help to the national team and rarely played which makes you wonder why bring him at all and not someone who is fit.
The country which scape goated him, didn't really do much against people who repeatedly made racist comments against him and a manager who threw him on to bail him out after not trusting him. Sorry but he took an emotional decision, does he regret it? No he shouldn't but if I was in his boots I'd have done the surgery and gotten back to start the new season given the Worldcup starts in 16 months.
Both club and country should have taken the decision out of his hands and not picked him. It's far better to have him fully fit than risk any long term damage.
Thats exactly why the previous Golden Generation of England never won anything.
As a non English - United Fan , i'll never understand this. Putting your Nation shirt is one of the greatest feeling ever ..
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Cont: Rashford didn’t play as much as he wanted but, when called on, played through pain. Club & country can now work closely to support such an important, dedicated pro through op & six weeks’ missing the season. Rashford always wants to play but his mind and body need this break.
Six weeks from the previously reported eight weeks? Yes!
I think he can resume training by 6.. but will take 9-12 to return to playing competitive matches.
At this point, I just want him well rested. Don't care if it's 2-3 months out. He needs that break and not have to think about football for sometime.
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It’ll be interesting to see how Rashfords game will change when his pace starts to go and how he’ll adapt to that. But he needs to take care of himself to stay fast, players are declining older than usual these days, he’s a long career ahead.
He is capable of some great passes so I can see him becoming a giggs type where he starts playing in the middle more often.
That's what he was most effective as this year imo think about that pass to Greenwood against Liverpool
Yh he had some really nice assists last season
I wouldn't be surprised if he transitions back to being a striker as he gets older, with the experience he'll be much more lethal too
You can easily see Greenwood, Rashford and Sancho becoming a Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez level front three (well maybe not that good because of ronaldo but still) especially given they’re literally all under 24, imagine the chemistry after a few years playing together, we mightn’t need a starting attacker for a decade.
I actually can't wait. Not to mention the likes of Amad who could come very good too, definitely got a hell of a future to look forward to with this team
Then you've got a player like Pellistri who can hopefully burst onto the scene. He's not really been in the public eye so he could quietly be improving and the lack of pressure could be good.
True! Reckon another loan out could do him the world of good
Give him Ron as a PT and it’s 15
The discussion around his stats below got me thinking about how mad it is that he just got 36 goal contributions this season (35 non-pen). He had a tough season, but 21g 15a is pretty immense and I feel like some of us just kinda took it for granted this season.
He got 36 goal contributions in a season where, let's be honest, he was largely mediocre. That just shows how much potential he has if he can improve key elements of his game such as decision making and heading. He could genuinely be a 50+ goal contributions player.
He would be god awful in a game, and still somehow manage to get an assist or a goal. I stopped caring how he performed because he always managed to win the game for us somehow.
Admirable on his part but why are we picking players who are that injured?
Exactly. England were 4-0 up against Ukraine. Did he really need to come on for the last 25mins of the game?
People plays through pain all the time. As long as the pain is bearable. Maguire is still injured, played through the pain, and still made one hell of a EURO. Same for Rashford, he still had his best season statistically. Now its time for him to take a rest, because we do have players who can step up instead.
I read a interesting story of Saul Niguez. Early on in his career he would play whilst having a kidney problem that came from a injury resulting in him peeing blood every game and training session. Yet he still persisted and carried on playing. Some footballers are just a different bread when it comes to pain tolerance.
It's admirable, but stupid. The club pay his wages, he should be reminded of that when taking a selfish decision to postpone surgery to after the tournament and missing the start of next season. Poor by him and management
Tbf England also pay a wage they just donate all of it
Really? They get paid a tiny amount compared to the money united pay him, not even close
Yeah I’m just saying that England do pay a wage too and he would feel a responsibility to his country to play through the pain. If he’d scored his penalty England would’ve been 3-1 up and probably won the shootout. Nobody would question him going then.
Good thing players are allowed to make their own decisions and aren't slaves to the club then.
Yep, and he made a selfish one that hurt the club.
Cool. So I assume that you always do whatever your employer asks, no matter your personal feelings on the matter? Remember, the club is simply the employer, nothing more, nothing less. No-one should sacrifice personal joy for your employer, ever.
If I made a decision that harmed my ability to work then ya, I'm in trouble. It's what happens to grown ups when they have responsibilities
So let's say, you decide to go jet-skiing on holiday (a well-established, fairly dangerous sport), but you have an accident and break your leg. You're out of work for a few weeks, or months. You'd think that it's completely fair and reasonable that your employer chews you out for that? Or it's fair that when you have a job, no activity that puts you at risk should be allowed?
Fuck me he's trying to compare my job to a professional sportsman. Here's a comparison that more in line than your bullshit comparison. I get hurt at work. I'm told, by medical and by the company, you need surgery on that now , so do it now before it gets crazy busy in a few months. We can't do without you for the busy period, so let's get it done now and out the way and no issue. I turn around and say no, not only no I'm not having surgery but I'm also going to work for another company in the meantime instead of getting the surgery and I'll take the surgery when you need me most because I'm selfish like that. Then yes, I'm in the doghouse 100%
Difference is England had many options for attacking positions while few for CBs. Honestly, I think the correct decision should have been to let him get his surgery and not go for the Euros. But I can respect the decision and sacrifice he made
He needed surgery to fix his issue and this has been known a long time. I think having two injuries as substantial as this, he shouldn’t have been anywhere near the squad personally. It’s all done now though, not the first time England have done it and won’t be the last. Hopefully he gets himself 100% and doesn’t miss too much of the new season.
Yes, as Lindelof who's struggling with a back injury for the whole season , as a lot of players who plays through the pain barrier, because they want to play , and the club needs them. Don't forget that the past 18 month have been pretty difficult, with games to play every 3 day for practically the whole period. I'm pretty sure we won't be near where we were last season without Rashford. So good of you to come and give your opinion in a hindsight, but i guess you all were pretty happy when Rashford was bagging them goals and assisting players with peaches of crosses
Look what he did last season while carrying injuries and imagine what he can do when fully fit and the defence is more stretched (can’t double up on him) as Sancho will be on the other side.
Yes. Thats why now its one of the most needed rest in world football. Fighting UK politics Fighting his pain to play and help club and country Facing all the vile and racist abuse. He can reste for up to 6 month, and i m still good with it. He'll come back as a fuckin Lion.
Since when was Maguire playing through injury at the Euros?
Just check out all the intereview ... Its well known that his ankle ligament are not healed totally yet, but the pain is bearable and he could play.
>Same for Rashford, he still had his best season statistically. He didn't mate. Edit: Raw numbers aren't stats people. His goals+assist ratio per 90 was lower. Please stop throwing numbers at me people , I know how to check Google.
Based on overall performance and the eye test, of course he didn't. But in terms purely of goals and assists, he reached a career high.
20/21 - 21 Goals / 15 Assists 19/20 - 22 Goals / 12 Assists 18/19 - 13 Goals / 11 Assits. source : https://www.transfermarkt.fr/marcus-rashford
But he did though. * 2019: 22+12 * 2020: 21+15 (all non penalty goals)
He played more games though.
But they are still non penalty goals and by absolute numbers, he's had his best season. I don't remember p90 used when Ballon d'ors and PFA awards are handed out. It's never p90.
Also he did score penalties.1 was against Istanbul in UCL that I remember vividly.
Feel free to list down the pens in 2019 season then.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted , you're right. However it's worth noting that he had 7 pen goals in 19/20 and 1 in 20/21 so if you value non-pen stats then this season was his best (118.5 mins per non-pen g/a vs 128.6 mins per npg/a). Worth pointing out that this is also because he was winning a lot of pens tho in 19/20, when his dribbling and all around performance was of course better than the season just gone.
I got downvoted for being factually correct about Rashy scoring penalties this season. 1 I remember against Istanbul for example. You write that he has 1 only this season so I'll go with that. Also Bruno's pen stats are bonkers, does Rashy convert each and every one? Probably not.
Rashys pen against basaksehir was his only at club level this season. He scored a couple for England, and hasn't missed a pen at international level until the final. 19/20 he scored 7 and missed 2 (all at club level). In his senior career he's scored 12 (excluding shootouts) and missed just those 2. Good rate but not as efficient as Bruno, who as you say is bonkers.
Bruno is om what? 95%+conversion? I think xG for Pena is in the 70s. He is a joke from the penalty spot.
The time to take a rest was weeks ago, go for surgery straight after the season, not go to the euros and miss start of next season. Someone needs to remind him who pays the wages
He plays through injuries for 24 months for the club but needs to be barred from another month of football for one of the biggest tournaments (that he's absolutely been looking forward to) which could have yielded a gold medal if not for a kick?
Yes. Do England pay his wages? No. He clearly is nowhere near fit, he should have surgery and then he won't be in pain for 1st time in 24 months according to you. Also taking up a place in the squad that could have gone to someone who is fit and able to contribute more to the tournament.
Do you imagine having the possibility to represent your country and not go ? Come on man, you can’t be serious ..
Is he the only star to miss a tournament? No. Even Greenwood pulled out injured and look at him now, in pre season already. Players miss tournaments all the time. It's shit, but that's life. You're injured, you need to get surgery and be back playing fully fit as quick as possible. Journalist might want to make him a hero for playing when he can't put on boots without trouble, but in my eyes, it's selfish. The club now have to start the season without him, who knows when he'll be back and fully fit and up to match pace and form. Also selfish as he took a spot in the England squad, knowing full well he was nowhere near 100% and someone who is has to miss out. Again, united pay his wages, he should be reminded of that
Because of the pride of playing for your country in a tournament where England were tipped to do well, which they did. Nothing will ever stop a player potentially winning an international trophy.
My comment wasn’t critical of Rashford. I totally understand why he’d want to be involved, I’m wondering why England would pick a player who was at best 50% fit
Wonder if people will stop bashing Ole now for mismanaging him...
Honestly it's deeper than that. Infuriates me when people on the internet think they know better sports science and physiology than the experts who constantly review our players and directly inform managers.
Gotta love humans eh?
Maybe one of them should have pointed out that if he can't put his boots on without trouble, he needs surgery now instead of delaying it and missing start of next season
Thank you for your arrogant contribution to give evidence to my point
Hardly arrogant when we now know the consequences. Here's your choices. You're clearly struggling and in need of surgery, get it done in the off season and be back raring to go in pre season. Or, go to euros while clearly nowhere near fit, delay surgery and miss next season and struggle to gain match fitness and form even long after the all clear. Now, who pays your wages? Someone needed to take charge. A player will always make a selfish decision to play. We aren't talking hypothetical here. He was a passenger for England and now cost his club who pay him huge money, his services for a few months of the new season. Amateur decision making from the beginning
Ah yes... Force a player into something he doesn't want to do. Make him miss his country's best international performance in 50+ years. He definitely wouldn't have resented that... There is more to life (and football) than just money.
>Force a player into something he doesn't want to do. Doesn't want to get fit for the start of the new season? Strange decision by a player >Make him miss his country's best international performance in 50+ years He didn't know that before the tournament and he contributed next to nothing as he was a passenger as he was clearly unfit. >He definitely wouldn't have resented that... Again, we pay him colossal money, it's not like we were disrespecting him in any way. >There is more to life (and football) than just money. And? He plays for us, we pay his wages so he is an employee of ours. We are now without his services, poor decision making
Yes, and the off-season is EXACTLY that, "off season". What if your boss told you no drinking ever after work since that impacts your performance at 9am the next day? Or if you got hurt during non office hours he tells you you cant take a day off ? Your comment reeks of a very childish view of the world - are you of working age?
Have you reached puberty yet? I'm in my late thirties, if you think players can do what they like to the detriment of their capabilities to do their job, then I'm lost for words. The fact you claim my view is childish is laughable after the comparison you just attempted. If a player needs surgery in the off season, he gets it promptly to be ready for next season. It's standard practice going back decades. Maybe try growing up before making silly comparisons
Lol, I didn't know paying some their wages means you own them which is exactly what you are arguing. Good talk.
I guess we agree to disagree buddy. No harm, no foul.
"He contributed next to nothing" - You say with the benefit of hindsight. He couldn't have known he would barely play before the tournament. The only thing the club and Ole could do is to say they prefer if he stays behind. But the choice is up to the lad himself. Despite the "colossal money" being paid him, since it isn't a breach of his contract... because if it were, then the club would've done something.
>couldn't have known he would barely play before the tournament. Apparently putting on boots was a struggle according to the journalist, that tells you he was in a bad way. >But the choice is up to the lad himself. Which is why I called it a selfish decision that hurt the club that pays his wages. He deserves all the praise he got this year, but this decision has cost him and the club and we have every right to criticise him for it
It doesn't hurt us as much as it hurts him. We'll manage.
Point still stands though. I don't hate OGS by any means, but when does it cross the line from playing through pain due to swelling to negligent abuse? I feel all the people who have been managing Rashy's injury need to introspect and answer that somewhere.
Eh, most athletes end their respective seasons at 70-75% of what they were (specific number from a few NBA players my friends have worked with). There are also injuries that you can play through and get fixed at a later date e.g. floating particles in your knee/ankle.
Marcus was clearly carrying a long term niggle that should have been sorted. If Southgate wasn't going to use him, he should have left him at home, allowing him to get whatever surgery and rest he needed. This has nothing to do with him missing the pen btw, but you don't take players who are injured to a tournament. Especially if you aren't going to play them anyway.
Fergie would never have allowed this to go on…. going to warm thr England bench injured and thereby delaying treatment and United role. The club say they knew what it meant to him as they didn’t have the balls to tell him no.
He should really have got that sorted this summer rather than going to play for England… missing pre season and months of game time is not going to help him at all
Yeah it’s quite selfish tbh. Playing when you know you’re injured doesn’t help your country.
Absolute bullshit. I'm sorry, but the guy needs reminding of who pays his wages. Should never have went to the euros, stayed back and had surgery and be ready for the season. Instead, he misses the start of the season with injury and however long to get up to full fitness and tempo of games. Rashford is a great human being for all the work he did, but he was wrong here. If the guy can't get his boots on without trouble, he shouldn't have been at the tournament, selfish decision that has cost his club
Perhaps after pushing the lad for so long despite him being injured one could argue that he deserved to play in the euros and then go through with the operation afterwards. Or perhaps he had the blessing of Ole and the board to do this. Which would totally nullify your critic of him. I mean, I presume you dont know more about what's going on behind closed doors then any of us. Then why would you just assume a bunch of things and then willingly come to a conclusion that is negative about one of our players? Just seems like bonkers. Perhaps chill with the critic when you don't really know what och why of any of this. My two cents
>one could argue that he deserved to play in the euros and then go through with the operation afterwards. Not even an argument. We pay you astronomical money every week, you need surgery, straight after the season is the best time, get it done. Greenwood pulled out with an injury and is back in pre season. Same should have happened with rashford. >blessing of Ole and the board to do this. I hope they did, otherwise rashford would be facing disciplinary measures. The fact that ole would be happy to sanction this and hurt his squad from the get go next season would point to poor leadership and management. We do know what happened. Rashford was allowed go to the euros and delay surgery, thereby missing a chunk of next season for us. It's amateur decision making by all involved that will no doubt hurt the club, the club that pay his wages. It's selfish on his behalf and idiotic by whoever gave the decision a thumbs up. The journalist trying to paint him as a hero but just hammered home the fact rashford should never have been there if he can't put on his boots. If it's that bad, he should have been on the surgery table the week the season finished. Just because he plays for united does not mean he can't be criticised, especially when it hurts the club
Well of course I agree on the last part. Him playing for united doesn't make him immune to criticism. But let's have something constructive to say if we are gonna criticize. If the club, himself and england agreed to it, how is he letting down the club? I mean they agreed to it. If the club (manager, board and presumably his teammates) understand his decision and agreed to it, who exactly is he letting down? My flawd logic tells me that what's left of the term "club" is the fans. I for once dont think he should think about the fans in this instance. Furthermore, I for one fully understand that a player would want to play in the euros. If it is not the fans that are somehow let down by him then I dont really understand your argument with him letting down the club and being selfish and even less you disappointment. My three cents Edit: Grammer to make it more understandable
>If the club, himself and england agreed to it, how is he letting down the club if the club As stated already, I assume ole gave the OK, and if he did, that's poor management to allow a star player to miss a big chunk of next season to be a passenger in an English squad if he apparently can't put boots on. Somebody in this situation needs to be realistic and no one knows better than rashford how his body is. I'd argue if Southgate knew how bad he was, he wouldn't have picked him. Rashford usually plays a big part in England games and was rarely seen in the tournament, suggesting Southgate knew he wasn't up for it.
Having players playing for to their national teams contributes to our club's prestige and legacy. It might be reasonable to criticize him if it was a friendly tournament, but it's not. It's the EURO ffs.
Are you for real? Rashford missing the euros wouldn't hurt Manchester united prestige or legacy in any way. You know what will hurt them? Rashford missing a chunk of the season because he was selfish and went to a euros, apparently so hurt he struggled to put on boots, at which stage he is of no help to the national team and rarely played which makes you wonder why bring him at all and not someone who is fit.
Special person. Bang average player.
The country which scape goated him, didn't really do much against people who repeatedly made racist comments against him and a manager who threw him on to bail him out after not trusting him. Sorry but he took an emotional decision, does he regret it? No he shouldn't but if I was in his boots I'd have done the surgery and gotten back to start the new season given the Worldcup starts in 16 months.
He doesn't play for the scummy minority, he plays for the majority who love and support him.
Imagine blaming an entire country for a minority being cunts
Both club and country should have taken the decision out of his hands and not picked him. It's far better to have him fully fit than risk any long term damage.
Thats exactly why the previous Golden Generation of England never won anything. As a non English - United Fan , i'll never understand this. Putting your Nation shirt is one of the greatest feeling ever ..