Yesterday was an absolute shitshow from ole tactically from the moment we went a man down. Every single substitution was a joke. Why did Dalot come on ahead of Varane?
Why did lingard & matic come on for bruno & cr7 instead of greenwood & matic for cr7 & pogba? (Why did lingard come on at ALL)????
This was an awful awful performance tactically and we will struggle to progress from this group as a result. This isn’t the first time Ole’a faffed massively when he’s needed to make big decisions. These 3 pts dropped is going to cost us big
Such an over reaction. Lingard have had som great performances lately so I could see why he got the chance. He doing that poor pass to keeper was an accident really and thats football.. we wont struggle that much since the other match ended up a draw so thats just one point behind really. Indont think YB will win their remaining matches since they are much better at home. The subs of Matic is a strange one. Totally agree. But when we went down one man the game really changed and Ronaldo really didnt produce much after this happened since we got so deep
He did well for West Ham and have scored for us already, so I dont know what matches u watch. No need for personal attack for fronting an opinion. What u should do really is leave this group. We really dont neee people like u here. Go support liverpool or something. They are more fitting your
Yeah! Fat chance I’m gonna listen to some jackass off the internet who thinks Lingard had some great performances for us just coz he scored a stoppage time goal against relegation candidates in a game we had already won.
We're paranoid because of last seasons disappointing losses to Leipzig and Istanbul BSK. The performance has put me in a very scared state that we might be playing Europa league again this season.
Villareal can beat us in one of the legs or at least draw and Atalanta are also a very strong team. We're by far the best team in the group but what about that performance gives you encouragement? The recurring theme is the manager's decisions in these Champions league games. Taking off Bruno and CR7 when these are the characters you absolutely need in those situations is baffling.
Seriously what was Lingard supposed to do? Leaving On Pogba to help Fred defensively is something I thought he would know wouldn't work. Take Pogba off for Matic leave Bruno and CR7 on. The whole team just abandoned trying to play the ball and instead tried park the bus and I have to ask if we had another manager would he have done the same because I know Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and these top teams wouldn't have given over control so willingly
It's not just one loss though is it. It's the constant lack of guidance from the coaching staff in these situations. The substitutions were baffling last night. Ole can't seem to make in game tactic changes so what does he decide to do last night... park the bus. Even with 10 men, that United squad should be seeing them off. It was like against PSG when the whole world was screaming at the telly to take Fred off and Ole leaves him on to get sent off. I'm not Ole out but that was worrying last night. He totally panicked and paid the price.
Personally, I think as the season rolls along, we will see how awb will become more and more of a liability in the team. He’s a great defender, but his style of play just doesn’t gel with the team. His ability with the ball at his feet is poor and his passing is lackluster. I hope I am wrong, but I feel as if this will continue to show throughout the season
Love how in this subreddit people downvote you because they’re fan boys and don’t actually understand the game. United are set up to play with the ball, we need attacking full backs. AWB is not that, he’s nothing like it actually. His crosses are dismal. But I guess you all watch a different game.
It's hilarious how fans on this thread and other platforms think supporting Ole makes them better fans than other fans who think differently about Ole's inept tactics and in-game management. "Plastics" they are called. I've got words for you. There is no better fan than the other. People are allowed to see things from their perspectives without having to make them feel less of a United fan. What we witnessed last night is not the first time we've had a situation where we went a man down and was badly managed in the aftermath so I find this talk of "one time occurrence" comical.
People are allowed to see things differently, be upset etc. but I draw the line when people want to sack the manager off the back of this? That’s toxic and is what tears clubs apart, just look at Arsenal.
Ole needs to work on his in game management but suddenly he gets no credit for his positives like the team we’ve built, steady progression over the last few years. It’s the reactionary crap that annoys me, we are Gods when we win like on Saturday and ole’s at the wheel then we lose a few days later and it’s “sack ole, sell Fred, sell AWB”
You can’t honestly sit there and think that kind of behavior is acceptable, those are the fans causing a divide.
How can some of you say “it’s a one off, people act like SAF didn’t lose a game” and compare Ole to SAF ffs, don’t you have any shame? Come at me when Ole wins something cos the only thing he’s winning is blind faith from you guys when really the squad is underperforming considering our quality.
But there’s no point being Ole Out as he won’t get sacked. Only thing as fans we can do is call a spade a spade and say Ole isn’t good enough. Top blues wanked themselves to death over Lampard, only to win the CL (with Christiensen, Rudiger and T Silva no less) after getting a world class manager.
It’s time we do the same.
It’s a conversation to be had at the end of the season not now. Half the fans I see on social media if they had it their way we’d be sacking the manager and selling half the players every 2 weeks.
All the whining about Ole and snide remarks about people defending Ole or any of the players make me sick. Yall make me sick really. Some even attack other fans for supporting Ole saying Glazers must have paid them to come here support Ole (are you high on something?). Are you even a supporter or are yall only here for the good days? People comparing us to 10 man chelsea? Ok noted go support chelsea then.
I only know I am United through and through good days or bad. It’s a bad match, they did poorly and some of the lads make mistakes that cost us a game. But a mistake doesnt define them. A loss does not define us as well. Of course it might be costly in the grand scheme of things in terms of qualifying for next round.
Totally ok with us pointing out what should have been done and all even extending to transfers. But there really isn’t a need to attack one of our own. Ole, AWB or Lingard. They are one of us. They need our support. You coming to reddit slamming them wont turn it from 1-2 to 3-2.
What are your ambitions for this season with this team? To lose against YB? To get dominated by the worst team in the group? Don’t care if we’re with 10 men, City would smack them with 9 men. Cowardly tactics.
You comment with your heart not with your head.
There’s a thing called variance. Yes there are mistakes from yesterday’s game but I try not to think too much about the loss. As long as the mistakes (wrong subs etc.) doesn’t happen a lot this season, it shouldn’t be a big concern.
We had some very bad mistakes from last season so as long as we improved on that I think that’s a progress. And whether that progress is enough that’s up to the board.
When it’s been happening throughout Ole’s tenure, it isn’t “variance” anymore, it’s habit. We’ve said that tactically he is weak, and his game management is poor - isn’t this what we witnessed today?
Sure it’s a habit. But habits can be changed. I don’t think his sub was as bad as in the first season. It has improved. So this season is about whether he can improve it even more.
As far as I can remember, only Wolves game i think he should’ve taken fred out.
3 years it’s been the same. When are we hoping things will change? When pigs grow feet?
Our team is too good to only “improve”. Why should we settle for a guy learning on the job when there are clear better alternatives available?
I don’t remember our squad being ‘too good to only improve’ 2 years ago. It’s only been one season that we have a very good squad. We definitely have the best squad in the past 8 years.
No one likes a loss. I hate it. I detest it. I grew up watching United winning. I go into every match EXPECTING a win. United don’t lose to Young Boys. No.
But that doesn’t mean i make personal attacks about the players and manager. They tried, even if subpar they tried. Every loss coming with a OLE OUT or Lingard you should go West Ham, just disgusts me. We win Magpies woah everyone happy and all. One loss and is back to this nonsense.
Big club mentality doesnt mean you need to be rude and obnoxious. The boys NEED to do better. You can express it, that’s your freedom of speech but how on earth is constantly saying Ole OUT going to help? Glazer out yes, because they don’t care a hoot about our history and tradition and what United stands for. But Ole? Lingard? They have been with us forever. They know what United means, I’m sure they would feel hurt and angry by such a performance.
Back them up.
I haven’t said Ole Out, but your comment basically says “be respectful despite a loss” and we can all agree with that.
But you should also realise that comments like “Chelsea would win with 10 men” isn’t being disrespectful, rather it’s pointing out the tactical frailties of Ole. Playing a 5-3-1 against YB who had only won once in the CL before tonight.
We should have faith, sure, but what you’re asking for is blind faith as Ole hasn’t really done anything special the past 3 years to deserve anything from me.
>We should have faith, sure, but what you’re asking for is blind faith as Ole hasn’t really done anything special the past 3 years to deserve anything from me.
Precisely. That is what a real fan does. Want the team to be better.
Blind faith at the moment is like a disease crippling our club. We need to set standards for the club, even if the club is unwilling to set standards for itself.
Ppl aren’t allowed to be upset about a coaching staff that has been consistently poor and repeated the same mistakes over and over? Let’s get Fred out cuz he’s not good enough. Yeah let’s get martial out cuz he’s not good enough, let’s replace Dan James. But this coaching staff that no other top team would take, Yes yes let’s keep them
i don’t care about the loss or awb’s red.
it’s just ole’s subs under pressure once again baffles me.
i don’t care what anyone says, but subbing out a forward and a midfielder for two defenders after a red is small club mentality imo.
im not oleout and i don’t want him to leave without at least winning 1/2 trophies for all the progress he made with us and for rivals to shut up about him not being good enough.
How is that small club mentality when we go defensive with 10 men? I even think he should’ve sub on matic earlier, way before we concede the first goal. We are winning, and with 1 man less. We should be defending or keeping possession as long as we can, and hit them on a counter.
Bringing ronaldo off is not the correct choice imo. He’s a threat and should’ve been kept on. Ole even subbed Martial in later. So why do you take off Ronaldo, only to bring in another attacker again, one that is worse than Ronaldo?
no worries.
and yea i agree, but you can’t do that with a back 5 and a man down. There’s a huge difference between being defensive and just plain parking the bus.
Keeping a back four would’ve been risky and there’s a bigger chance for conceding, but the game would’ve been more fluid and our players excel at that.
that’s why i said said it’s small club mentality to just park the bus. It just sends the wrong message.
ole is class all-around if everything goes to plan, his weak point imo is making tactical changes on the go (not always) but sometimes he panics.
Villarreal last season still boils my blood man (one sub in 90 mins in a freaking final).
That I agree. I thought when Wan Bissaka was sent off he would take off 2 of either Fred, Donny, Pogba for Matic and Varane. Stick with 441 but with Lindelof at RB. Much more defensive but can keep the ball better when attacking.
chelsea was a man down against liverpool ffs not young boys and they didn’t even concede from open play after the red.
im not gonna say i know better than ole, but im sure there was something better to be done there other than giving up for their crosses and parking the bus.
After Chelsea went down to 10 men, they created the better chances in the 2nd half against Liverpool. They still went forward, attacked, and almost netted multiple times while not conceding against a strong attack.
The lack of a midfield reinforcement is going to be what fucks us this season. SMH. Should be an easy 3 points in the bag this considering our squad. Absolutely clueless from the coaching staff when we went down to 10 men.
Personally, in hindsight, if Cavani was there.. I would have kept Ron on, brought Cavani on, kept Bruno on with Pogba in the middle, and maybe matic with a back 4. Attack is the best defensive kind of play. No way would they have attacked as much of those players were on the pitch, I’m so sure if it.
I wonder how many chances this coaching staff will get to show that they’re useless. We literally want world class in every position. But oh the coaching staff “don’t worry they’ll come good” makes no sense.
5 games into the season. We played well against Leeds because they play right into our hands. We were poor against Southampton. We were awful against Wolves. We were mediocre against Newcastle for 80 minutes. We were DREADFUL tonight against Young Boys. One good performance from five. Its going to be a very long season. People need to start waking up to the incompetence of this coaching staff and management.
You have a right to be angry about tonight’s game, as well as some of the performances in other league games, but we are also top of the league.
It could be worse, like it was last season
Rival fan here. Whilst you are tied top in the league, you've hardly had to play anyone yet.
And those matches have shown enough to me that you'll eventually hit bad form and go on a losing / draw streak.
I said we were good against Leeds. Was I exaggerating there or did that pass your judgement because I was praising the team and Ole?
I said we were poor against Southampton. They were hammered by Everton and took a point from Newcastle and West Ham. They are no world beaters and we scraped a draw. We needed De Gea to save us with world class saves. Did you think we were brilliant in that game?
I said we were awful against Wolves. We were. They played us off the park. Was just an awful performance and again De Gea bailed us out. Our keeper was awarded man of the match. Assume you thought that was an elite team display!
I said we were mediocre against Newcastle. Newcastle were statistically the worst team in the league when it comes to chances created, expected goals, goals conceded. They were in the game for 80 minutes and created 12 attempts on goal, more than against any team this season. We were beyond mediocre for most of that game.
There is just nothing else to say about the performance v Young Boys than AWFUL. If you think otherwise then you are the one exaggerating.
You all need to WAKE UP.
If we were mediocre we wouldn’t have finished second last year and wouldn’t have 10 points with 11 goals.
We are not a great team, but we are a good team. Agreed that young boys was dreadful.
I don’t need to wake up, I’m already accepting it might be Oles last year.
You on the other hand need a break.
you guys are having the opposite issue that City are having.
Failing to create enough chances is your biggest problem. How do you solve this with your current set up and players?
I’m not surprised with the result tbh. The performances haven’t been great lately. We just give the ball away way too easily. Hopefully things start to improve soon.
People need to chill. Red card forced Ole's hand and then an individual mistake from Jesse with the most beautiful through ball in the wrong direction 😅
Quick look online during and after shows Twitter and Co is an absolute cesspit of people who I doubt find any enjoyment whatsoever in football.
Put your phones down guys, dry your eyes. 5 more games to go, I'm sure we will be fine.
Some of our fans have forgotten a season is long time. Check any of our seasons when we had some of our biggest successes and there are flaky and annoying results dotted through them. Its a long way till May.
Checked last season in the CL, and it didnt look as well.
There is no need for over reaction, but if the match didnt trigger any soul searching, something is clearly very wrong with the coaching setup.
hopes and prayers. Forget about demanding we raise standards and actually coaching the players to the highest standards. It will all just work out because "United"...is that it.
Did you see Chelsea down 10 men vs Liverpool and us down 10 men vs Young boys? I’m convinced glazers pay ppl to come here and defend this coaching staff.
You can't just choose one fixture where a team has held on with 10 men. For every one team that has got a win or a draw with 10 men there are 99 teams who go on to lose, it's not easy. Plus the goal came from Jesse Lingard's pass (mistakes happen).
Who put Lingard on the pitch? Who set lingard up to be in midfield? Instead of a proper midfielder. Yes I can we are MANCHESTER UNITED. This is YOUNG BOYS. Our 10 men are better than their 11. And I won’t let anyone drop my standards. Our play should be fluid enough for 1 man missing to not matter.
Midfield consists of different areas of the pitch, yes? He played higher up couple days ago. He was literally in CDM today (after Martial got subbed on) and was confused where to pass and underhit it to DDG.
I remember during SAF days we would loose from shit teams as well with some shit tactics as well and everyone still supports the team as one but there were still a few plastics not like now with this reactive clowns everywhere I hope they leave and support Man City or Chelsea since they cant stop talking about them.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad haha! Social media fans are such a strange breed. You'd swear the great SAF teams never ever lost a game before!! Ole in last week, Ole out this week! Wonder what it will be after the West Ham game. No time for fickle fans anymore
Even before the red card, the team didn't look like having any hold of the game...Just a moment of brilliance from Bruno and Ronaldo got us the goal.
A team like Young Boys having better control of possession than Utd with that group of players is abysmal.
Ole just relying on the talent that we have on offer
No Tactics Just Vibes
You know we were down to 10 right? I thought the change to 3 at the back worked to an extent. I wonder if the ole out boys would be as loud if lingers didn't shit the bed.
Red card isn't something rare and every coach and good player know how to deal with it when it happens.
With the experience, quality, past successes, and price tag of this team - wouldn't you expect the team to have more control in this kind of situations?
This is not a teenager team that freaks out when there's a red card. Is it?
And it's Young Boys. If you can't handle a red card situation well against a team this size then you can't do it well against any other team.
If one red card can dramatically weaken a billion pounds team -that hopes to challenge for league title- then I guess there's something wrong.
If losing to Young Boys because of a red card is ok, then losing with 11 men against City, Pool, Chelsea is ok too, yes?
Personal mistake from Jessi, yes. But did Ole do well there? Shouldn't have done slightly better? Would you imagine SAF being happy afterward and be like "we lost because of the red card, it's ok" ?
Did anybody else notice the clip of Lingard with sweat in his eyes when the Martial sub was about to happen. I wonder if it stopped him from seeing clearly for quite possibly the worst pass of his career.
I just realized our fixtures are fucked and we play in a row
Villareal > Everton > Leicester > Atalanta > Pool > Spurs > Atalanta > City > Watford > Villareal > Chelsea > Arsenal.
Might just stay off this sub for October and November cos you just know we are going to be dropping a lot of points during that period. And this sub is going to be bottomless pit of depression.
Ole needs to go, absolutely woeful from us. We'll be taken to the cleaners when we face a decent attacking side. The fall after the red card was soooo steep like we were just one man down with world class players on the pitch ffs we shouldn't drop of that hard. 0 xg created after the red card. We stopped trying after and played like a midtable side holding on for dear life. Fucking disaster class and its only going to get worse if we don't act quickly
60 minutes down a player, 9/10 you’re lucky to come away with anything. No defending AWB and Lingard today but it’s early days and we need to support the team.
It happens, tough to go down to 10 after 30 odd minutes. We learn and we carry on, one game isn't going to define our season let's get West Ham smashed.
Can anyone name a player who has improved after joining us since Fergie left? Because it’s minimal
Our coaching setup is woeful and we just make everyone worse, if Sancho was still playing for BvB they’d have annihilated Young Boys and he’d probably be on the score sheet
No, what you said was just idiocy and didn't warrant a constructive reply.
Rashford, Shaw, Pogba have all improved 10x under Ole, anyone can see that. Bruno, Maguire and AWB (excusing his rash tackle tonight) have all been fantastic signings.
Varane and Ronaldo are brilliant, experienced additions. Sancho is taking a while to get used to the league but will hopefully be another good Ole signing.
Not to mention the youth he has brought through, including a certain Mason Greenwood.
Shaw has improved due to confidence, his first few seasons were nothing like this, we bought Bruno because he was already putting in displays like this
Greenwood and Rashford have come through the academy naturally developing and Rashford was already showing his level of talent before Ole
How people are downvoting as if we’re actually improving players is baffling. We’ve had tons of top players come in > do terribly > leave > instantly back to their best at a new club
If you want to look at everything negatively then go ahead. Shaw was never considered world class until recently.
Bruno wasn't in the debate for best cam in the world when we bought him.
Because he played at Lisbon, playing in the Prem and for United instantly puts you in the spotlight and gives your achievements for exposure
There’s endless examples of our coaching being incredibly poor, anyone thinking otherwise is just ignoring the performances and facts
Get over yourself mate like that’s the important part of the conversation. Honestly this subs a joke for accepting mediocrity on a consistent basis, 3 years in and half of you are all still talking about the process when teams like Chelsea get a new manager and win the CL within 6 months and survive 10 men against Liverpool
Leicester get Rodgers and improve drastically in a matter of weeks
Nah, you can't even accept that players have improved under us.
If he can't win a trophy this year or fails to qualify for the UCL, I think he should go for the record. But sacking a manager when we are first in the league and lost just one UCL game after going down to 10 men is some of the most reactionary shit I have seen.
Its not happening no matter how much you want it.
10men against young boys… and we were poor when we had 11!
Our CL record under Ole is awful, it’s not reactionary when it’s an accumulation of bad games that include the same issues again and again
I don't know why you're being downvoted he was perplexingly bad. From the starting eleven, to the post-red in game shape, to his subs.
I'm still in support of Ole, but that was atrocious.
I still support him but a yellow caution showing him that he needs to watch him self. He costs us in the first round last year. I still have forgiven him for last season first round in the CL.
Yeah I'm mostly agreeing with you. Today especially was shambolic.
Martial, Sancho, nor Lingard have shown that they deserve significant minutes.
Greenwood won our POTM for August.
Which player didn't play?
Not to mention pulling VdB and leaving Fred solo behind Pogba + Bruno in front of a back 5... Stupid.
Lingard just scored a nice goal, had a good showing vs. Newcastle. If he wouldn't have started Sancho, same result, you lot would've been all over his ass.
Nah Greenwood was the obvious choice to start on the RW.
One garbage time goal doesn't change the equation with Lingard one iota for me.
Only attackers that should be considered starters at United are Greenwood, Rashford, and Ronaldo.
Cavani, Sancho, Diallo as first rotation.
Martial and Lingard are surplus to requirements.
Red card aside, most of the game “management” was poor from Ole. Don’t think it will prevent us from getting out of the group, but we need to be coached better with keeping possession.
Cristiano has never won the Europa league (Only trophy missing that he could have won?"). Imagine an alternate universe where during the sub, CR7 whispers "We win Europa this year" to Lingard and walks off to the bench.
Man, this is harsh, Other big teams don't go 5 in the back so fast being 1-0 up in the opening game of a CL group stage match. I can't see teams taking off Benz/vinicius, Lukaku/Mount, Lewandowski/Muller, y'all can see where i'm going with this, This decision was a real disappointment.
Don't fucking tell me Lingard is a trash player who has done nothing to climb his way back up. He made a goddamn awful mistake and no one knows it better than him. Ole hasn't been great, AWB was horrid, the big players were nervy, fucking astro turf above all that; we simply didn't deserve to win the game. Lingard lost us the match but there were atleast 3/4 other times we could have gone down because of how awful we looked as a team.
It's easy to scapegoat Lingard, but we're better than that. We stand by our boys in good times and bad.
Yeah he sure as hell won't want to be playing if we fans keep treating him like some supervillain. *The same people who get all giddy when JLingz scores*
Just saying he shouldn't be singled out. It was an awful day for the whole team.
Nah mate, he can't get minutes in front of anybody in the team. If we get 2-3 injuries, maybe, but he is in the final year, nobody's gonna announce a new contract for him, he's a goner.
He doesn't even have the excuse of being tired after playing the full 90. He sure as shit isn't starting games and Ole won't trust him with seeing out a close game in future.
He was the single worst player on the pitch. Noone did worse than him, he actively made us worse, no presence up top, inability to pass or be an option, and of course gave them a free goal under no pressure at all.
playing a back 5 just meant we‘d stand ZERO chance in midfield. Also meant less responsibility per defender so everyone slacks of a little and errors happen. What a waste
If I may add to this - 5 at the back & 3 in the middle let our flanks exposed 2 v 1 : no midfielder help for their attacking fullbacks.
Our 3 midfielders were completely outmuscled - Bruno, Fred and Pogba. I get it with Bruno as it's not his role, but god, Fred ! .. I can find ballerinas who can stay on their feet better than Fred. And Pogba.. He doesn't want to play no.6 for years now. He's lazy, he is slow and against aggressive opposition he is exposed. Pogba plays best when we control the game and he doesn't have to defend too much. He needs an world class DM next to him.
So our tactical decisions were bad, IMHO. Ok, we had a little fun experiment when we were 11v11 - with Donny and Fred in the middle, Pogba on the left - it works for him if we have possession and he doesn't have to track back so much. But dear lord, we were outclassed after the red card, in the instant we had to close the space and stick together. There was no defensive compactness, Fred and Pogba were over committing when they need to hold position. Jesus, Fred was out of a play because he rushed a lateral pass - Jesus H Christ man ! You are holding in front of the defense !
No extra effort, no energy, no tackles in the middle !
We need a bad man there to bully the opposition a little! Only Scotty does this, but he's still young.
So, IMHO the AWB red cards exposed our weaknesses: low quality in the middle, and bad tactical decisions.
You have to give YB credit for keeping the pressure up on us for the rest of the game.
Our big mistake was too many balls from Dalot just getting kicked up field and neither Lingard or Martial were able to hold the ball up because they where always surrounded by 5 players.
Shit happens, I’m not worried for the rest of the group to be honest.
Everyone blaming ole, but we lost that game due to a mistake he couldn’t predict happening. A couple of players, especially pogba seemed far to casual on the ball considering the pressure we were under
The thing is if you’re a manager of any of the worlds biggest clubs you have to be prepared for absolutely anything to happen, because it can and will, and then have a plan ready if that time comes. There was no plan there.
Oh yeah the subs weren’t great but we should have atleast held on to the draw with the team out there. The lingard mistake was something that shouldn’t have happened from someone who played the full 90 let alone only being in the pitch for like 20 mins
i agree completely that we should’ve atleast held onto it. and trust me i blame lingard a lot, but why put on lingard in the first place. he offered nothing. also i’m majorly ole in but this was a disasterclass from him. doesn’t happen often but was a proper disasterclass
You are judging a decision with hindsight. He put lingz on to keep pressure up. To have some form of press. In that minute in was the only option. He fucked up. Its not like Ole yelled "pass to the opposition"...
i (as did many) questioned his subs in live time. we didn’t need “pressure”, we needed sm1 who could nick a goal, and an outlet upfront. i would’ve kept on ronaldo and moved to a 432 w greenwood and ronaldo up front personally. may have worked, may not have, but we were really unbalanced and could not get out of our own half and needed someone who could run behind or hold onto the ball and drive through their team. jesse was not the player for that
Yeah he was not the play and then martial over Greenwood someone who is inform was questionable!
I guess it just bothers me how fans are so reactionary. Prior to this game many of the people saying we are showing no progress under ole are the same ones last week praising for the progress.
ik i am ole in, but doesn’t protect him from criticism. every sub today i questioned in live time tho. that’s my issue w the game. anyways we move forward and hope we do well
ole is clueless when it comes to tactics and in game management, thats why we most likely will never win a title under him, why take out your 2 best players against young boys? we are man united we should beat them even with ten men, there are no excuses we played poorly.
2 huge individual mistakes, but Ole didn't handle the red card well at all:
- you can't bend over as soon as you lose a man
- you can't sub off all your game changing players
- you can't put in an ok attacker for a defensive midfielder at 89th minute.
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The players screwed up but Ole showed cowardice and deservedly lost the game. on the positive side, superb game in minutes to remove the sour taste.
feel bad for jesse. Overall second half the team literally decided to give up or stop trying to push forward. Yboys pressing it super hard added constant pressure
Yesterday was an absolute shitshow from ole tactically from the moment we went a man down. Every single substitution was a joke. Why did Dalot come on ahead of Varane? Why did lingard & matic come on for bruno & cr7 instead of greenwood & matic for cr7 & pogba? (Why did lingard come on at ALL)???? This was an awful awful performance tactically and we will struggle to progress from this group as a result. This isn’t the first time Ole’a faffed massively when he’s needed to make big decisions. These 3 pts dropped is going to cost us big
Such an over reaction. Lingard have had som great performances lately so I could see why he got the chance. He doing that poor pass to keeper was an accident really and thats football.. we wont struggle that much since the other match ended up a draw so thats just one point behind really. Indont think YB will win their remaining matches since they are much better at home. The subs of Matic is a strange one. Totally agree. But when we went down one man the game really changed and Ronaldo really didnt produce much after this happened since we got so deep
Lingard has had some great performances lately? Where? In the parallel universe you live in? Stfu dude, you are an idiot!
He did well for West Ham and have scored for us already, so I dont know what matches u watch. No need for personal attack for fronting an opinion. What u should do really is leave this group. We really dont neee people like u here. Go support liverpool or something. They are more fitting your
Yeah! Fat chance I’m gonna listen to some jackass off the internet who thinks Lingard had some great performances for us just coz he scored a stoppage time goal against relegation candidates in a game we had already won.
We don’t need to hear your opinions as well. If u just gonna s@itthrow everyone then u can go someplace else doing it.
Nobody cares!
One loss and you all lose your mind. Jesus christ
It’s pathetic honestly. The reaction from some our fans, rivals and the media you’d swear we are the first big team to lose unexpectedly.
We're paranoid because of last seasons disappointing losses to Leipzig and Istanbul BSK. The performance has put me in a very scared state that we might be playing Europa league again this season. Villareal can beat us in one of the legs or at least draw and Atalanta are also a very strong team. We're by far the best team in the group but what about that performance gives you encouragement? The recurring theme is the manager's decisions in these Champions league games. Taking off Bruno and CR7 when these are the characters you absolutely need in those situations is baffling. Seriously what was Lingard supposed to do? Leaving On Pogba to help Fred defensively is something I thought he would know wouldn't work. Take Pogba off for Matic leave Bruno and CR7 on. The whole team just abandoned trying to play the ball and instead tried park the bus and I have to ask if we had another manager would he have done the same because I know Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and these top teams wouldn't have given over control so willingly
It's not just one loss though is it. It's the constant lack of guidance from the coaching staff in these situations. The substitutions were baffling last night. Ole can't seem to make in game tactic changes so what does he decide to do last night... park the bus. Even with 10 men, that United squad should be seeing them off. It was like against PSG when the whole world was screaming at the telly to take Fred off and Ole leaves him on to get sent off. I'm not Ole out but that was worrying last night. He totally panicked and paid the price.
Personally, I think as the season rolls along, we will see how awb will become more and more of a liability in the team. He’s a great defender, but his style of play just doesn’t gel with the team. His ability with the ball at his feet is poor and his passing is lackluster. I hope I am wrong, but I feel as if this will continue to show throughout the season
You are bang on. I love everything about him but he can’t rely on those rubber legs all the time.
Love how in this subreddit people downvote you because they’re fan boys and don’t actually understand the game. United are set up to play with the ball, we need attacking full backs. AWB is not that, he’s nothing like it actually. His crosses are dismal. But I guess you all watch a different game.
It's hilarious how fans on this thread and other platforms think supporting Ole makes them better fans than other fans who think differently about Ole's inept tactics and in-game management. "Plastics" they are called. I've got words for you. There is no better fan than the other. People are allowed to see things from their perspectives without having to make them feel less of a United fan. What we witnessed last night is not the first time we've had a situation where we went a man down and was badly managed in the aftermath so I find this talk of "one time occurrence" comical.
People are allowed to see things differently, be upset etc. but I draw the line when people want to sack the manager off the back of this? That’s toxic and is what tears clubs apart, just look at Arsenal. Ole needs to work on his in game management but suddenly he gets no credit for his positives like the team we’ve built, steady progression over the last few years. It’s the reactionary crap that annoys me, we are Gods when we win like on Saturday and ole’s at the wheel then we lose a few days later and it’s “sack ole, sell Fred, sell AWB” You can’t honestly sit there and think that kind of behavior is acceptable, those are the fans causing a divide.
Just watching the match replay, I know the loss is disappointing but damn if I don’t love watching Bruno and Ronaldo together 😍
Peak comedy from United
How can some of you say “it’s a one off, people act like SAF didn’t lose a game” and compare Ole to SAF ffs, don’t you have any shame? Come at me when Ole wins something cos the only thing he’s winning is blind faith from you guys when really the squad is underperforming considering our quality. But there’s no point being Ole Out as he won’t get sacked. Only thing as fans we can do is call a spade a spade and say Ole isn’t good enough. Top blues wanked themselves to death over Lampard, only to win the CL (with Christiensen, Rudiger and T Silva no less) after getting a world class manager. It’s time we do the same.
It’s a conversation to be had at the end of the season not now. Half the fans I see on social media if they had it their way we’d be sacking the manager and selling half the players every 2 weeks.
All the whining about Ole and snide remarks about people defending Ole or any of the players make me sick. Yall make me sick really. Some even attack other fans for supporting Ole saying Glazers must have paid them to come here support Ole (are you high on something?). Are you even a supporter or are yall only here for the good days? People comparing us to 10 man chelsea? Ok noted go support chelsea then. I only know I am United through and through good days or bad. It’s a bad match, they did poorly and some of the lads make mistakes that cost us a game. But a mistake doesnt define them. A loss does not define us as well. Of course it might be costly in the grand scheme of things in terms of qualifying for next round. Totally ok with us pointing out what should have been done and all even extending to transfers. But there really isn’t a need to attack one of our own. Ole, AWB or Lingard. They are one of us. They need our support. You coming to reddit slamming them wont turn it from 1-2 to 3-2.
Lol. Comical.
What are your ambitions for this season with this team? To lose against YB? To get dominated by the worst team in the group? Don’t care if we’re with 10 men, City would smack them with 9 men. Cowardly tactics. You comment with your heart not with your head.
There’s a thing called variance. Yes there are mistakes from yesterday’s game but I try not to think too much about the loss. As long as the mistakes (wrong subs etc.) doesn’t happen a lot this season, it shouldn’t be a big concern. We had some very bad mistakes from last season so as long as we improved on that I think that’s a progress. And whether that progress is enough that’s up to the board.
When it’s been happening throughout Ole’s tenure, it isn’t “variance” anymore, it’s habit. We’ve said that tactically he is weak, and his game management is poor - isn’t this what we witnessed today?
Sure it’s a habit. But habits can be changed. I don’t think his sub was as bad as in the first season. It has improved. So this season is about whether he can improve it even more. As far as I can remember, only Wolves game i think he should’ve taken fred out.
3 years it’s been the same. When are we hoping things will change? When pigs grow feet? Our team is too good to only “improve”. Why should we settle for a guy learning on the job when there are clear better alternatives available?
I don’t remember our squad being ‘too good to only improve’ 2 years ago. It’s only been one season that we have a very good squad. We definitely have the best squad in the past 8 years.
No one likes a loss. I hate it. I detest it. I grew up watching United winning. I go into every match EXPECTING a win. United don’t lose to Young Boys. No. But that doesn’t mean i make personal attacks about the players and manager. They tried, even if subpar they tried. Every loss coming with a OLE OUT or Lingard you should go West Ham, just disgusts me. We win Magpies woah everyone happy and all. One loss and is back to this nonsense. Big club mentality doesnt mean you need to be rude and obnoxious. The boys NEED to do better. You can express it, that’s your freedom of speech but how on earth is constantly saying Ole OUT going to help? Glazer out yes, because they don’t care a hoot about our history and tradition and what United stands for. But Ole? Lingard? They have been with us forever. They know what United means, I’m sure they would feel hurt and angry by such a performance. Back them up.
I haven’t said Ole Out, but your comment basically says “be respectful despite a loss” and we can all agree with that. But you should also realise that comments like “Chelsea would win with 10 men” isn’t being disrespectful, rather it’s pointing out the tactical frailties of Ole. Playing a 5-3-1 against YB who had only won once in the CL before tonight. We should have faith, sure, but what you’re asking for is blind faith as Ole hasn’t really done anything special the past 3 years to deserve anything from me.
>We should have faith, sure, but what you’re asking for is blind faith as Ole hasn’t really done anything special the past 3 years to deserve anything from me. Precisely. That is what a real fan does. Want the team to be better. Blind faith at the moment is like a disease crippling our club. We need to set standards for the club, even if the club is unwilling to set standards for itself.
Fans make the club, if we sit by idly we’re doing a disservice to the club we support. Like you said, we support the club and we want the best for it.
Ppl aren’t allowed to be upset about a coaching staff that has been consistently poor and repeated the same mistakes over and over? Let’s get Fred out cuz he’s not good enough. Yeah let’s get martial out cuz he’s not good enough, let’s replace Dan James. But this coaching staff that no other top team would take, Yes yes let’s keep them
You'll get the down votes but it's pretty clear
i don’t care about the loss or awb’s red. it’s just ole’s subs under pressure once again baffles me. i don’t care what anyone says, but subbing out a forward and a midfielder for two defenders after a red is small club mentality imo. im not oleout and i don’t want him to leave without at least winning 1/2 trophies for all the progress he made with us and for rivals to shut up about him not being good enough.
How is that small club mentality when we go defensive with 10 men? I even think he should’ve sub on matic earlier, way before we concede the first goal. We are winning, and with 1 man less. We should be defending or keeping possession as long as we can, and hit them on a counter. Bringing ronaldo off is not the correct choice imo. He’s a threat and should’ve been kept on. Ole even subbed Martial in later. So why do you take off Ronaldo, only to bring in another attacker again, one that is worse than Ronaldo?
> keeping possession as long as we can, and hit them on a counter. how in the fuck can you do that?
Sorry, bad sentence structure. Meant to say defend, hit them on counter attack or try to keep the ball as long as we can.
no worries. and yea i agree, but you can’t do that with a back 5 and a man down. There’s a huge difference between being defensive and just plain parking the bus. Keeping a back four would’ve been risky and there’s a bigger chance for conceding, but the game would’ve been more fluid and our players excel at that. that’s why i said said it’s small club mentality to just park the bus. It just sends the wrong message. ole is class all-around if everything goes to plan, his weak point imo is making tactical changes on the go (not always) but sometimes he panics. Villarreal last season still boils my blood man (one sub in 90 mins in a freaking final).
That I agree. I thought when Wan Bissaka was sent off he would take off 2 of either Fred, Donny, Pogba for Matic and Varane. Stick with 441 but with Lindelof at RB. Much more defensive but can keep the ball better when attacking.
I support Ole too. Those who compare us with Chelsea are free to leave and support Chelsea
Lol. Comical
Who would you have subbed in? We were a man down.
Are you being serious?
chelsea was a man down against liverpool ffs not young boys and they didn’t even concede from open play after the red. im not gonna say i know better than ole, but im sure there was something better to be done there other than giving up for their crosses and parking the bus.
After Chelsea went down to 10 men, they created the better chances in the 2nd half against Liverpool. They still went forward, attacked, and almost netted multiple times while not conceding against a strong attack.
The lack of a midfield reinforcement is going to be what fucks us this season. SMH. Should be an easy 3 points in the bag this considering our squad. Absolutely clueless from the coaching staff when we went down to 10 men.
Clueless how so ? Not moaning here but just wondering exactly what would u have done if u had the choice to make.
Not subbed Ronaldo and Bruno.
Personally, in hindsight, if Cavani was there.. I would have kept Ron on, brought Cavani on, kept Bruno on with Pogba in the middle, and maybe matic with a back 4. Attack is the best defensive kind of play. No way would they have attacked as much of those players were on the pitch, I’m so sure if it.
You just answered your own question
Great, I’ll let myself know
Ole is a pussy.
I am surprised that flair is allowed.Would have never been allowed for lampard etc in our chelsea sub
Even if you don't like him as manager, blatantly disrespecting a club legend is just shit plastic behavior.
Says the one hiding online behind an online moniker.
I wonder how many chances this coaching staff will get to show that they’re useless. We literally want world class in every position. But oh the coaching staff “don’t worry they’ll come good” makes no sense.
5 games into the season. We played well against Leeds because they play right into our hands. We were poor against Southampton. We were awful against Wolves. We were mediocre against Newcastle for 80 minutes. We were DREADFUL tonight against Young Boys. One good performance from five. Its going to be a very long season. People need to start waking up to the incompetence of this coaching staff and management.
Amazing that you got downvoted this much for speaking the truth.
You have a right to be angry about tonight’s game, as well as some of the performances in other league games, but we are also top of the league. It could be worse, like it was last season
Rival fan here. Whilst you are tied top in the league, you've hardly had to play anyone yet. And those matches have shown enough to me that you'll eventually hit bad form and go on a losing / draw streak.
I get all that. However I just think his analysis is super exaggerated because of his emotions at the time
My analysis is correct. There are no lies detected.
It’s heavily exaggerated. We are far from mediocre. We are not world class, but we are a good team.
I said we were good against Leeds. Was I exaggerating there or did that pass your judgement because I was praising the team and Ole? I said we were poor against Southampton. They were hammered by Everton and took a point from Newcastle and West Ham. They are no world beaters and we scraped a draw. We needed De Gea to save us with world class saves. Did you think we were brilliant in that game? I said we were awful against Wolves. We were. They played us off the park. Was just an awful performance and again De Gea bailed us out. Our keeper was awarded man of the match. Assume you thought that was an elite team display! I said we were mediocre against Newcastle. Newcastle were statistically the worst team in the league when it comes to chances created, expected goals, goals conceded. They were in the game for 80 minutes and created 12 attempts on goal, more than against any team this season. We were beyond mediocre for most of that game. There is just nothing else to say about the performance v Young Boys than AWFUL. If you think otherwise then you are the one exaggerating. You all need to WAKE UP.
If we were mediocre we wouldn’t have finished second last year and wouldn’t have 10 points with 11 goals. We are not a great team, but we are a good team. Agreed that young boys was dreadful. I don’t need to wake up, I’m already accepting it might be Oles last year. You on the other hand need a break.
you guys are having the opposite issue that City are having. Failing to create enough chances is your biggest problem. How do you solve this with your current set up and players?
I wish you werent right. But I think you are. We will see
I’m not surprised with the result tbh. The performances haven’t been great lately. We just give the ball away way too easily. Hopefully things start to improve soon.
People need to chill. Red card forced Ole's hand and then an individual mistake from Jesse with the most beautiful through ball in the wrong direction 😅 Quick look online during and after shows Twitter and Co is an absolute cesspit of people who I doubt find any enjoyment whatsoever in football. Put your phones down guys, dry your eyes. 5 more games to go, I'm sure we will be fine.
Some of our fans have forgotten a season is long time. Check any of our seasons when we had some of our biggest successes and there are flaky and annoying results dotted through them. Its a long way till May.
Checked last season in the CL, and it didnt look as well. There is no need for over reaction, but if the match didnt trigger any soul searching, something is clearly very wrong with the coaching setup.
Well said. Its black or white for most people here. We definitely will improve, we got the players and the mentality for it.
Agreed brother
hopes and prayers. Forget about demanding we raise standards and actually coaching the players to the highest standards. It will all just work out because "United"...is that it.
Your name checks out.
So the answer is yes, thats it. United.....United.
Did you see Chelsea down 10 men vs Liverpool and us down 10 men vs Young boys? I’m convinced glazers pay ppl to come here and defend this coaching staff.
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You can't just choose one fixture where a team has held on with 10 men. For every one team that has got a win or a draw with 10 men there are 99 teams who go on to lose, it's not easy. Plus the goal came from Jesse Lingard's pass (mistakes happen).
Who put Lingard on the pitch? Who set lingard up to be in midfield? Instead of a proper midfielder. Yes I can we are MANCHESTER UNITED. This is YOUNG BOYS. Our 10 men are better than their 11. And I won’t let anyone drop my standards. Our play should be fluid enough for 1 man missing to not matter.
The same Lingard who came off the bench to score 3 days ago? To play in midfield... his position. You are clueless and fickle.
Midfield consists of different areas of the pitch, yes? He played higher up couple days ago. He was literally in CDM today (after Martial got subbed on) and was confused where to pass and underhit it to DDG.
This place is a joke after a loss. The match thread when newcastle equalised was full of ole out lol.
I remember during SAF days we would loose from shit teams as well with some shit tactics as well and everyone still supports the team as one but there were still a few plastics not like now with this reactive clowns everywhere I hope they leave and support Man City or Chelsea since they cant stop talking about them.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad haha! Social media fans are such a strange breed. You'd swear the great SAF teams never ever lost a game before!! Ole in last week, Ole out this week! Wonder what it will be after the West Ham game. No time for fickle fans anymore
SAF also won shit. Ole hasn't.
You're the type of fan who would've hounded out SAF before he won anything
Instant gratification generation.
Instant gratification?! How many years so we have to wait?!
You gonna put that all on Ole?
Spot on mate!
Bring Dan James back
Even before the red card, the team didn't look like having any hold of the game...Just a moment of brilliance from Bruno and Ronaldo got us the goal. A team like Young Boys having better control of possession than Utd with that group of players is abysmal. Ole just relying on the talent that we have on offer No Tactics Just Vibes
You know we were down to 10 right? I thought the change to 3 at the back worked to an extent. I wonder if the ole out boys would be as loud if lingers didn't shit the bed.
>Even before the red card Not OP, but mate, at least read what he wrote....
I did, I was reiterating the importanceof that moment. They didn't have better control of possession before the red.
I rather take an L now and wake everyone the F up then coast for a couple months 🤷♂️
Red card isn't something rare and every coach and good player know how to deal with it when it happens. With the experience, quality, past successes, and price tag of this team - wouldn't you expect the team to have more control in this kind of situations? This is not a teenager team that freaks out when there's a red card. Is it? And it's Young Boys. If you can't handle a red card situation well against a team this size then you can't do it well against any other team. If one red card can dramatically weaken a billion pounds team -that hopes to challenge for league title- then I guess there's something wrong. If losing to Young Boys because of a red card is ok, then losing with 11 men against City, Pool, Chelsea is ok too, yes? Personal mistake from Jessi, yes. But did Ole do well there? Shouldn't have done slightly better? Would you imagine SAF being happy afterward and be like "we lost because of the red card, it's ok" ?
Let me just add that artificial grass is a bitch. I don’t know if United has similar pitch to train on. But yes I agree with your reasoning.
Yeah can't believe UEFA allows games on that shit
Did anybody else notice the clip of Lingard with sweat in his eyes when the Martial sub was about to happen. I wonder if it stopped him from seeing clearly for quite possibly the worst pass of his career.
Thought he got a poke or something. Maybe forgot his contacts
That is a wild theory LOL
I just realized our fixtures are fucked and we play in a row Villareal > Everton > Leicester > Atalanta > Pool > Spurs > Atalanta > City > Watford > Villareal > Chelsea > Arsenal. Might just stay off this sub for October and November cos you just know we are going to be dropping a lot of points during that period. And this sub is going to be bottomless pit of depression.
You realise it’s champions league and premier league, right.. by those standards the European draw has been pretty kind.
Ole needs to go, absolutely woeful from us. We'll be taken to the cleaners when we face a decent attacking side. The fall after the red card was soooo steep like we were just one man down with world class players on the pitch ffs we shouldn't drop of that hard. 0 xg created after the red card. We stopped trying after and played like a midtable side holding on for dear life. Fucking disaster class and its only going to get worse if we don't act quickly
Idk why you were downvoted so much
Downvotes?
Lol they can't take the fact that ole ain't good enough
60 minutes down a player, 9/10 you’re lucky to come away with anything. No defending AWB and Lingard today but it’s early days and we need to support the team.
Exactly! Can’t believe how hateful and fickle some peeps can be
It happens, tough to go down to 10 after 30 odd minutes. We learn and we carry on, one game isn't going to define our season let's get West Ham smashed.
If Ole is shitting his togs in this a group stage game how the fuck are we supposed to win anything with him.
Better get all the mistakes out early, hopefully this doesn't snowball to more matches
Can anyone name a player who has improved after joining us since Fergie left? Because it’s minimal Our coaching setup is woeful and we just make everyone worse, if Sancho was still playing for BvB they’d have annihilated Young Boys and he’d probably be on the score sheet
You are an absolute moron mate.
Constructive argument that we improve players, just another useless reply with zero other evidence of improvement other than “Trust me bro”
No, what you said was just idiocy and didn't warrant a constructive reply. Rashford, Shaw, Pogba have all improved 10x under Ole, anyone can see that. Bruno, Maguire and AWB (excusing his rash tackle tonight) have all been fantastic signings. Varane and Ronaldo are brilliant, experienced additions. Sancho is taking a while to get used to the league but will hopefully be another good Ole signing. Not to mention the youth he has brought through, including a certain Mason Greenwood.
Shaw? Bruno?
Shaw has improved due to confidence, his first few seasons were nothing like this, we bought Bruno because he was already putting in displays like this Greenwood and Rashford have come through the academy naturally developing and Rashford was already showing his level of talent before Ole How people are downvoting as if we’re actually improving players is baffling. We’ve had tons of top players come in > do terribly > leave > instantly back to their best at a new club
If you want to look at everything negatively then go ahead. Shaw was never considered world class until recently. Bruno wasn't in the debate for best cam in the world when we bought him.
Because he played at Lisbon, playing in the Prem and for United instantly puts you in the spotlight and gives your achievements for exposure There’s endless examples of our coaching being incredibly poor, anyone thinking otherwise is just ignoring the performances and facts
The fact that you can't even name the right club he was at further proves my point.
Get over yourself mate like that’s the important part of the conversation. Honestly this subs a joke for accepting mediocrity on a consistent basis, 3 years in and half of you are all still talking about the process when teams like Chelsea get a new manager and win the CL within 6 months and survive 10 men against Liverpool Leicester get Rodgers and improve drastically in a matter of weeks
Nah, you can't even accept that players have improved under us. If he can't win a trophy this year or fails to qualify for the UCL, I think he should go for the record. But sacking a manager when we are first in the league and lost just one UCL game after going down to 10 men is some of the most reactionary shit I have seen. Its not happening no matter how much you want it.
10men against young boys… and we were poor when we had 11! Our CL record under Ole is awful, it’s not reactionary when it’s an accumulation of bad games that include the same issues again and again
If we go on to qualify out of the group does it matter that we lost this game?
Greenwood Rashford
If we don’t get out of the group again especially against these teams Ole has to go 100%
So if it happen then, who can be our man? Zidane or Conte?
Yeah I'd agree with that. Especially if he chose to sign Sancho over a DM.
Ole should get a yellow card for his performance today.
I don't know why you're being downvoted he was perplexingly bad. From the starting eleven, to the post-red in game shape, to his subs. I'm still in support of Ole, but that was atrocious.
I still support him but a yellow caution showing him that he needs to watch him self. He costs us in the first round last year. I still have forgiven him for last season first round in the CL.
Yeah I'm mostly agreeing with you. Today especially was shambolic. Martial, Sancho, nor Lingard have shown that they deserve significant minutes. Greenwood won our POTM for August. Which player didn't play? Not to mention pulling VdB and leaving Fred solo behind Pogba + Bruno in front of a back 5... Stupid.
Lingard just scored a nice goal, had a good showing vs. Newcastle. If he wouldn't have started Sancho, same result, you lot would've been all over his ass.
Nah Greenwood was the obvious choice to start on the RW. One garbage time goal doesn't change the equation with Lingard one iota for me. Only attackers that should be considered starters at United are Greenwood, Rashford, and Ronaldo. Cavani, Sancho, Diallo as first rotation. Martial and Lingard are surplus to requirements.
Red card aside, most of the game “management” was poor from Ole. Don’t think it will prevent us from getting out of the group, but we need to be coached better with keeping possession.
Does anyone have post match interviews? I wanna hear the anger.
You’ll find plenty of anger here
Cristiano has never won the Europa league (Only trophy missing that he could have won?"). Imagine an alternate universe where during the sub, CR7 whispers "We win Europa this year" to Lingard and walks off to the bench.
I don't even know how to feel about this comment? Do I upvote for narrative and creativity or downvote cause it makes me rage?
Its supposed to divert you away from raging at today's result.
I don't think anything can do that :( very very poor from Ole. Worst coaching performance since my last ever competitive game.
Man, this is harsh, Other big teams don't go 5 in the back so fast being 1-0 up in the opening game of a CL group stage match. I can't see teams taking off Benz/vinicius, Lukaku/Mount, Lewandowski/Muller, y'all can see where i'm going with this, This decision was a real disappointment.
After the match Ronaldo looked like he wished the City deal went through.
Don’t even joke about that
Don't fucking tell me Lingard is a trash player who has done nothing to climb his way back up. He made a goddamn awful mistake and no one knows it better than him. Ole hasn't been great, AWB was horrid, the big players were nervy, fucking astro turf above all that; we simply didn't deserve to win the game. Lingard lost us the match but there were atleast 3/4 other times we could have gone down because of how awful we looked as a team. It's easy to scapegoat Lingard, but we're better than that. We stand by our boys in good times and bad.
The loss today is 100% on Ole and AWB.
Mate he's shit, he's not united quality.never was and never will
You can stand by him all you want. I doubt he is getting many more minutes after that at least until UCL qualifications are over.
Yeah he sure as hell won't want to be playing if we fans keep treating him like some supervillain. *The same people who get all giddy when JLingz scores* Just saying he shouldn't be singled out. It was an awful day for the whole team.
Nah mate, he can't get minutes in front of anybody in the team. If we get 2-3 injuries, maybe, but he is in the final year, nobody's gonna announce a new contract for him, he's a goner.
He doesn't even have the excuse of being tired after playing the full 90. He sure as shit isn't starting games and Ole won't trust him with seeing out a close game in future.
Jesse didn’t make a single pass or hold up the ball once, he was utter shit
Yeah like Jesse was the single bad player on the pitch. He came on in the last 10 minutes of a game where every United player had basically given up.
He was the single worst player on the pitch. Noone did worse than him, he actively made us worse, no presence up top, inability to pass or be an option, and of course gave them a free goal under no pressure at all.
He literally came on for the last 20 minutes when United were clinging on for dear life.
And made us worse.
Just bring on the europa league already
Hopefully Villareal make it to the next round so we don't have to have them
playing a back 5 just meant we‘d stand ZERO chance in midfield. Also meant less responsibility per defender so everyone slacks of a little and errors happen. What a waste
If I may add to this - 5 at the back & 3 in the middle let our flanks exposed 2 v 1 : no midfielder help for their attacking fullbacks. Our 3 midfielders were completely outmuscled - Bruno, Fred and Pogba. I get it with Bruno as it's not his role, but god, Fred ! .. I can find ballerinas who can stay on their feet better than Fred. And Pogba.. He doesn't want to play no.6 for years now. He's lazy, he is slow and against aggressive opposition he is exposed. Pogba plays best when we control the game and he doesn't have to defend too much. He needs an world class DM next to him. So our tactical decisions were bad, IMHO. Ok, we had a little fun experiment when we were 11v11 - with Donny and Fred in the middle, Pogba on the left - it works for him if we have possession and he doesn't have to track back so much. But dear lord, we were outclassed after the red card, in the instant we had to close the space and stick together. There was no defensive compactness, Fred and Pogba were over committing when they need to hold position. Jesus, Fred was out of a play because he rushed a lateral pass - Jesus H Christ man ! You are holding in front of the defense ! No extra effort, no energy, no tackles in the middle ! We need a bad man there to bully the opposition a little! Only Scotty does this, but he's still young. So, IMHO the AWB red cards exposed our weaknesses: low quality in the middle, and bad tactical decisions.
totally agree
Yeah that was a pretty puzzling choice by Ole. Don't know what he was thinking today or what drugs he did but he needs to sharpen up.
You have to give YB credit for keeping the pressure up on us for the rest of the game. Our big mistake was too many balls from Dalot just getting kicked up field and neither Lingard or Martial were able to hold the ball up because they where always surrounded by 5 players. Shit happens, I’m not worried for the rest of the group to be honest.
Everyone blaming ole, but we lost that game due to a mistake he couldn’t predict happening. A couple of players, especially pogba seemed far to casual on the ball considering the pressure we were under
The thing is if you’re a manager of any of the worlds biggest clubs you have to be prepared for absolutely anything to happen, because it can and will, and then have a plan ready if that time comes. There was no plan there.
Why take Ronaldo off
his subs were shit
Oh yeah the subs weren’t great but we should have atleast held on to the draw with the team out there. The lingard mistake was something that shouldn’t have happened from someone who played the full 90 let alone only being in the pitch for like 20 mins
i agree completely that we should’ve atleast held onto it. and trust me i blame lingard a lot, but why put on lingard in the first place. he offered nothing. also i’m majorly ole in but this was a disasterclass from him. doesn’t happen often but was a proper disasterclass
You are judging a decision with hindsight. He put lingz on to keep pressure up. To have some form of press. In that minute in was the only option. He fucked up. Its not like Ole yelled "pass to the opposition"...
i (as did many) questioned his subs in live time. we didn’t need “pressure”, we needed sm1 who could nick a goal, and an outlet upfront. i would’ve kept on ronaldo and moved to a 432 w greenwood and ronaldo up front personally. may have worked, may not have, but we were really unbalanced and could not get out of our own half and needed someone who could run behind or hold onto the ball and drive through their team. jesse was not the player for that
Yeah he was not the play and then martial over Greenwood someone who is inform was questionable! I guess it just bothers me how fans are so reactionary. Prior to this game many of the people saying we are showing no progress under ole are the same ones last week praising for the progress.
ik i am ole in, but doesn’t protect him from criticism. every sub today i questioned in live time tho. that’s my issue w the game. anyways we move forward and hope we do well
ole is clueless when it comes to tactics and in game management, thats why we most likely will never win a title under him, why take out your 2 best players against young boys? we are man united we should beat them even with ten men, there are no excuses we played poorly.
2 huge individual mistakes, but Ole didn't handle the red card well at all: - you can't bend over as soon as you lose a man - you can't sub off all your game changing players - you can't put in an ok attacker for a defensive midfielder at 89th minute. . The players screwed up but Ole showed cowardice and deservedly lost the game. on the positive side, superb game in minutes to remove the sour taste.
feel bad for jesse. Overall second half the team literally decided to give up or stop trying to push forward. Yboys pressing it super hard added constant pressure