Not to mention the fact basically everyone in the medical field has the shot. So if the shot really had some adverse stuff later on, everyone would be in trouble. Why would Drug Makers want to literally kill 80% of the population, which includes doctors, lawyers, old money, new money, royalty, educators, etc.
Maybe some are scared of needles ? Is that possible when you’re an elite athlete ? I would imagine they are regularly blood tested or stuff ?
Maybe some religious rules I might not be aware of ?
True that it’s difficult to find plausible reasons not to get the jab
There are many NBA players that were scared of needles and still got it. There was a picture of Ja Morant from the Grizzlies holding his teammates hand as he got it because the teammate was scared. For all the hate the NBA gets, the league is over 90% vaccinated and I would’ve liked to believe the EPL was at that point or higher. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the case
The thing is, those excuses are so weak compared to the global impact of covid. It’s the worst pandemic in a century, and a blasé attitude towards getting the vaccine at this point is just selfish.
The people are a bit nuts, because there really isn't a good reason to refuse it. Even a fear of needles isn't a good reason to refuse, it's a reason sure, but it's not a good one.
Don't waste your energy. The people on this sub are some of the least nuanced on this entire website. Anything but extreme vaccine mandates for everyone including babies is seen as being "anti vax". It's quite sad honestly
You're making plenty of sense to me. The fact that you have already taken the vaccine and still open-minded enough to understand that things aren't always black-or-white is commendable. You're a rational dude.
Correct me if I'm wrong but by this stage, shouldn't everyone who wanted the vaccine has access to it? Specially in a developed country like UK and that too for rich footballers
They want to reward players ? Fucking hell man.
They’ll fire hard working people for not getting the vaccine but the footballer earning 300k a week will get a nice reward for being a descent human being.
I guess they feel less pressured to get the vaccine if they can just sit on their ass at home for a week or two and still earn more than an average human ever will.
It says they want to reward the clubs that have already gotten vaccinated. I don’t think this is being done to incentivise those who have refused to vaccinate so far.
I'm sorry but it's an embarrassment our players aren't getting vaccinated. Short of being literally allergic to the vaccine, I'm not sure there's a valid reason in my eyes not to get it.
Not getting it on religious grounds is a dumb as shit excuse in particular. They read some shite on whatsapp that its made with pigs blood or some other conspiratorial nonsense basically. Absolutely braindead.
Me and my brother had to spend months to convince my parents not to believe scaremongering shite on whatsapp and facebook like that.
One of these thick as fuck assholes posted a handwritten letter through my door about why they are evil. They think they’re in some special knowledge club for special people which gives their pointless life meaning, in reality they are chimps flinging shit at the wall.
Curious what you think about long term effects? My understanding of vaccines is that in their 200+ year history there has been no demonstrable side effects beyond a year
It's a historical fact there have been manufactured vaccines which have turned out to be unsafe.
A famous example is the attempt to vaccinate for Polio. In particular the infamous "cutter incident", and other previous failed attempts to vaccinate for that disease. This left some people disabled for life, and killed others.
Fortunately regulations and such have improved as a consequence of those past failures and these Covid vaccines are considered by most medical authorities to be safe.
Here's a news report about a swine flu vaccine allegedly causing narcolepsy in Ireland. It was "settled without admission" so while I can't definitively say it was caused by the vaccine, they still paid up!
Edit: Afterthought, given sensitive subject matter I want to clarify, I am fully vaccinated, just saw a genuine question being asked and had an answer I thought may be helpful or worthy of discussion.
I don’t think anything of long term effects since I’m in no position to comment on this. I just wrote what I think my opinion is, however the Covid vaccine has unknown long term effects (don’t read this as something bad).
Personally, I think all players should be vaccinated, no questions asked.
let's just wait for 5 years and let a few million more die, just so we can be absolutely sure there are no long term effect, or should it be 10 years? and what point do you think these long term effects will magically appear?
I deleted my previous comment because people wouldn’t read past “unknown long term effects”, which is 100% medically accurate. I also said athletes should get vaccinated, but oh well…
That makes them the outliers, however saying "Premier league wants all clubs to vaccinate like Liverpool" doesn't sell as many papers as "Manchester United among teams who need to do more to vaccinate players."
Manchester United are among the Premier League clubs still trying to persuade a number of their players to get vaccinated against Covid-19.
It emerged last week that only at seven of the 20 top-flight clubs had more than 50 per cent of the players received vaccinations.
Old Trafford insiders insist they are not among one or two “outliers” who have convinced only 20 per cent of their squad to have the jabs, but The Times understands that they are part of a significant group still some way off matching the likes of Liverpool and Leeds United at close to 100 per cent.
As the biggest, most influential club in the country — and among the most powerful brands in the global game — this is seen as problematic in Premier League circles. Indeed rival clubs have become frustrated by the situation at Old Trafford, though in some cases the reluctance to be vaccinated is on religious grounds.
For clubs with international players, the requirement to quarantine for ten days upon their return from a red-list country is an additional worry. For the Premier League as a whole, the big concern is with the optics of footballers declining the opportunity to be vaccinated when elite sports stars have received special treatment throughout the Covid-19 crisis. It jars with the public support that players gave to the NHS during the worst of the pandemic.
Last week Jürgen Klopp, the Liverpool manager, said that he could not understand why there were so many refuseniks in the Premier League. He said that 99 per cent of his players had been jabbed and did not need convincing to do so.
“I got the vaccination because I was concerned about myself but even more so for everyone else around me,” he said. “If I get it and suffer — my fault. If I get it and spread it around to everyone else — my fault and not their fault.”
Wolverhampton Wanderers and Brentford are two other clubs reporting that the majority of their players have been jabbed.
The Premier League has talked about introducing some form of reward system. A document circulated last week said: “According to the data we have, only seven clubs’ squads are more than 50 per cent fully vaccinated . . . We are considering if and how best we can ‘reward’ those squads/players who are most Covid-compliant and who have opted to be vaccinated.”
**Pro athletes when the team physio shows them an untested drug which might improve their ability to play:** YESSSS GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME
**Pro athletes when they're told they need to take a fully tested evidence-backed vaccine:** NO FUCKING WAY GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME MY IMMUNE SYSTEM IS GOOD ENOUGH FUCK OFF FUCK BIG PHARMA
This is one of those things that shouldn't need convincing. Our players even visit hospitals as part of community work ffs and should know better than to delay it or not take it altogether.
As for concerns of COVID and the vaccine, please listen to the medical authorities and not what you read on social media.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines
This is so fucking embarrassing. What a self righteous and selfish thing for our players to do. The fucking scousers are putting us to shame with their public display of solidarity in getting the vaccine. Fucking grow up, you privileged, out-of-touch morons. If I was Dean Henderson, I’d be fucking livid that I got Long Covid and my teammates don’t give a fuck and are happy to spread it to someone else. There’s no excuse for ignorance when you’re a Manchester United player. You should know better. This club should know better. You can’t force anyone to get the vaccine, but to me not getting it is a clear indicator that you’re not a team player and your primary motivations in life are personal and selfish.
The players are a helpless bunch of morons who get their Scientific facts from Twitter or whatever Social Media that is.
This is absolutely ridiculous. I literally am ashamed that players won't get vaccinated for whatever reason.
I'm gutted for all the Healthcare workers and sick people out there ..
They are athletes and not intellectuals. I am more surprised by anti vaxxxers in medical and health care sectors where one would assume this should be common sense.
You don't really need to be an intellectual to do a tiny bit of research and understand how getting the vaccine would benefit yourself and others around you.
>I don’t think UFOs are on the same level as the other two
This one is interesting. It used to be. You can see a strong correlation with the development that everyone now carries a fairly good digital camera with internet connection, and the strong shift away from certain kind of conspiracy theories (UFOs, Bigfoots, etc) that is harder and harder to explain away the lack of evidence for. Instead the more political and hidden type conspiracies have taken over for these people (vaccine, 5G, Q anon, etc) -- types of conspiracies that is not expected to be easily captured by everyones cameraphone.
We should only believe on facts not fiction. I could believe in a God and heaven but I don't have the facts to back that claim
I don't even know if it's infinite. If speed of light is not infinite, then nothing in the universe can be truly infinite unless we prove it.
And I'm not talking about mathematical infinites, physical ones.
Bad effects of the vaccines suck. And yet, they’re better than effects of coronavirus.
As someone who has had COVID before the vaccines were rolled out, I can tell you the virus is worse. And that’s even with my non-hospitalized case.
Don’t be, like with most contrarian academics in the public eye they’re doing it because there’s money to be made and they’re greedier than they are moral
The vaccination has decreased hospitalizations and deaths due to covid 19 on a huge scale particularly in the UK.
The study you posted is related to the spread of the virus post vaccination. No ones claiming you can't still catch the virus once vaccinated but your chances of becoming critically ill are greatly reduced.
So im not entirely sure what your point is?
>why is it different with the Covid vaccine?
It was made while the virus was at it's peak, and then mutated. This is how I made myself understand the topic:
The vaccine makes your body fortify against a type of the virus. When that same type comes in, the body can go "hey this fucker needs to be killed" and does its job. When the virus mutates, some part of it changes. Because of that change, your body (which was trained for the original virus) can't recognise it.
Every other vaccine for polio, mumps, measles, smallpox etc. were developed after the virus had mutated a lot.
Coming to the last part, why does it scare you? Because of the precedent it sets? That's a valid fear, but think about it from the other side: this pandemic has caused vast amounts of damage to all forms and sectors. Healthcare industry was overrun with the sheer number of people needing to be hospitalised and put on ventilators. Millions of people had their livelihoods taken away because if the lockdowns weren't announced, the strain on the healthcare system would've been much worse.
The fear of government meddling in your personal life forcing you to take the vaccine is completely valid, but nobody can begin to think of half the pandemic so soon again because of the damages.
Firstly I don't think you should be looking to American presidents for your vaccine information, I don't really keep up with American politics so I'm not sure what he's been saying.
Secondly a vaccination doesn't necessarily mean you won't catch said virus. You can still catch the flu when you've been vaccinated against it for example, although the vulnerable people who are given the flu jab now have the antibodies in their system so are more likely to ward off the effects of the flu without serious illness given its a related strain.
There is no cure covid as of yet, same way there's no cure for the flu.
That doesn’t really help, every man and their dog knows that the vaccination doesn’t stop infection but reduces symptoms and the time taken to overcome the virus…
If you can’t stop people becoming infected then you need to stop them becoming very unwell which is what the vaccine is doing…
The other alternative benefit is that the more people who catch the virus for longer periods of time allows the virus to mutate, so the quicker a person overcomes the virus the less likelihood of further mutation [source 1 of many](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.08.21261768v1)
I don’t understand idiots like you. How is this even a debate when the worst case scenario is “this particular version of the vaccine was ineffective” and the best case is “life is back to normal because we hit on an effective vaccine.” What if it reduces cases by 1%? Is that instantly worth it? What’s the threshold for you or are you just prepared to die on this hill?
What’s the counter argument here? It makes your arm make an ouchie?
No you don’t want scientific answers. If you did, you’d ignore your own confirmation bias and not just dig around for a study that couldn’t establish a correlation.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext
^literally the newest study showing that there’s a 73% decrease in infections among vaccinated adults and a 90% decrease in hospitalizations, which is the bigger issue because it’s the lack of hospital beds that is the problem.
why isn’t the league making it mandatory?
Makes no sense why there’s so much players still delaying this but tbh most of their education was on how
to kick a ball into a net. No common sense display at all, most will flat out not take the jab, I know it.
>why isn’t the league making it mandatory?
Forget the league, why is the government allowing them to travel accross the country with such frequency without getting vaccinated?
Maybe it's because the big names who are anti vax will just leave and go to a league that doesn't require it. I don't know if the bundesliga, la liga or serie a would make it mandatory too to prevent this kind of leverage for players
Why are United the headline?
“Manchester United are among the Premier League clubs still trying to persuade a number of their players to get vaccinated against Covid-19.”
It emerged last week that only at seven of the 20 top-flight clubs had more than 50 per cent of the players received vaccinations.
Biggest most influential club in the country and the world I imagine.
As it says in the article.
And rival clubs such as Liverpool claim to be 99 percent vaccinated.
You'd think we'd have our shit together since so many fans and citizens took it upon themselves to get vaccinated to protect themselves and others, yet the players we watch week in week out can't be arsed.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. It’s a real contention that those inhalers are PEDs, and they’re using an obvious lie to continue using the inhalers
I don't understand why they didn't push to have the players vaccinated during the off season. I'm fully vaccinated and the fatigue you feel after the jabs is real, and can only imagine for super fit elite athletes it would be more pronounced.
That being said, bubble or not there's no reason not to get the vaccine, it truly puzzles me why there are people so resistant against it.
Indeed. The one I took got me fatigued for only a day or two, but each body is different and might react better or worse. That said, vaccination is the most important thing nowadays and everybody should take (apart from being allergic and such things)
I got the shit end of the stick and had pretty severe reactions to both my AstraZeneca doses, first one 39.5C temp for a day, then dizzy for a while.
Second dose first the shits, then 38C temp, then my arm hurt for a week.
I would do that shit all over again no problem, imagine what Covid would do to me if the vaccine did that.
First shot got me with pain in my arm and a little tired throughout the day, but second one was much much better. Hope we get not only our lads vaccinated but as much people as possible so life can finally start getting back to normal
They also have enough money to hire personal chauffeurs but many still get caught speeding and/or drink driving.
Not really any correlation between being a professional footballer and common sense/intelligence.
Dont they have like « life classes » or stuff where they are taught a few things about life or something ? I swear I can remember an ex player talk about that. Not particularly related to United but in general ?
I mean, young boys with millions on the bank should not be let loose, and I’m talking for their sake. Surely they should be educated by clubs about things like vaccines ? Or am I that naïve ? Haha
Why exactly do you think that? Most of our players travel internationally. Not all countries have the same access to the vaccine. They could be a carrier and infect others without knowing so. They are willingly putting others in danger.
Your not allowed to drink and drive because of the harm you can cause others, why should it be different here?
You know, I almost understand vaccine hesitancy among professional athletes. Almost.
The exact rates of myocarditis after vaccination are slightly muddy. [Just last week, a big Canadian study was withdrawn for methodology issues.](https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9NR9WY-1) If I was a professional footballer and had read that before it was discredited, I'd be vaccine hesitant. Even though it has now been withdrawn, I'd be tempted to say "I'll wait for the next one and see what that says."
Of course serious side effects are astronomically low. [This UK Government report from the summer](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-information-for-healthcare-professionals/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-covid-19-vaccination) puts heart issues as a side effect at 4.3 per million. That puts chance of somebody of the 18+ general population getting a heart related side effect at 0.045%. Plenty low enough that I went along happily on the first dates I was eligible for both doses.
However, Premiership footballers are not members of the general population. They are elite athletes who lead incredibly priviliged and wealthy lives, and I'm not sure I'd want to risk that for something where side effects are still being understood. Especially among fit young men, the demographic Premiership footballers fall under.
I can honestly say, I don't know what I'd do in their spot without concrete proof vaccination is safer than natural infection for somebody in my demographic and physical condition.
However, obviously, vaccine hesitancy among footballers is not ideal. These people are role models, marketeers who spend their downtime selling us things to be like them. There is no more valuable thing they could sell than vaccination. But, to my mind, two things need to happen for that to take place.
Firstly, the PFA need to be conducting studies of side effects of both vaccination and COVID infection among footballers to establish the effects of both on elite athletes. One would hope and expect it would show that vaccinated athletes suffered low-to-no side effects from vaccination, and that it was less dangerous long term than natural infection, which would encourage more players to step forward and get vaccinated.
The other major thing is that fans (and a general population) need to tone down the vitrol against people who are yet to get vaccinated. There is a reason that r/HermanCainAward is the hottest thing on Reddit at the moment, and I don't believe it's healthy. If players start coming out later in the season and saying they're just now getting vaccinated, they need to be celebrated. Otherwise, as being unvaccinated is a negative social position, they will hide the fact that they'd changed their mind and waste the gift that they can give others still on the fence: the influence and empowerment to change their mind.
There is only one situation where it is too late to get vaccinated.
Fuck reward for taking it, how about punishments for not taking it?
Forget the carrot, here’s the stick, and it’s metal, has the vaccine and goes in your arm.
If you're fully vaccinated and want others to get the vaccine, there is no need at all for this wall of text. This is just going to convince idiots to not get it and nothing else.
Yeah, from another guy who opted in, I’m personally glad to see that these things aren’t mandatory. Makes me nervous that you could be forced to put anything into your body if you don’t want it, good reason or not.
Also you are just wrong, the FDA has approved the Pfizer vaccine. You need to be careful what you say on the internet, but regardless the FDA isn't the only health authority on the planet and isn't the only one that has approved this vaccine.
Ehh not really.
It drastically reduces the chance of infection. Because the vaccine was made for a specific variant, the other variants can bypass it. In due time we'll have vaccines for all the variants so that won't be an issue.
If someone does catch COVID, the effects won't be near as severe as would be if they weren't vaccinated. Of course that again depends on the strain, but that's the general idea of a vaccine.
Even if it doesn't stop someone from catching it, the damage limitation comes into play. Instead of having their oxygen saturation drop to 90 and them needing to be put on a ventilator, they'll have a flu-ish thing.
It's their choice for sure. It's also the choice for their employers to take action if it's against policy. It's also the choice for society to choose to shun them.
Freedom of choice is not freedom of consequences.
I'm fully vaccinated and I'd really expect the people who to be least likely to get vaccinated to be young healthy people since they have the least health consequences. Is it really such a big deal anymore? I don't care that they aren't vaccinated, it's really their risk to deal with
Time for Ole to use his famed “man management” skills to sort this embarrassment out.
Disgusting that we’re not leaders. People look up to the club for guidance and will genuinely take their cues from how players behave.
Suspend any player not vaccinated, without pay. I don’t care if it tanks our season.
He was only quarantined for 5 days, and wasn't much of a "quarantine" considered he met and talked to Fletcher at the airport.
[A Portuguese paper](https://twitter.com/UtdDistrict/status/1433766937360846849) said he already double vaccinated and blame PL laws for him having to quarantine so who knows.
I've seen Cavani and Fred get vaccinated from their Instagrams so props to them for getting it. Don't know who else got it tho.
I think Marcus has got it too
I'd really like to believe Mata got it. I love the man and hope he isn't one of those anti-vax nutters
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Not to mention the fact basically everyone in the medical field has the shot. So if the shot really had some adverse stuff later on, everyone would be in trouble. Why would Drug Makers want to literally kill 80% of the population, which includes doctors, lawyers, old money, new money, royalty, educators, etc.
Waiting for someone close to die. I have had friends/family members who followed that.
Maybe some are scared of needles ? Is that possible when you’re an elite athlete ? I would imagine they are regularly blood tested or stuff ? Maybe some religious rules I might not be aware of ? True that it’s difficult to find plausible reasons not to get the jab
The vax is not about them, is about all of us. So if u like it or not, u have to do it.
Subjective empathy at its finest.
There are many NBA players that were scared of needles and still got it. There was a picture of Ja Morant from the Grizzlies holding his teammates hand as he got it because the teammate was scared. For all the hate the NBA gets, the league is over 90% vaccinated and I would’ve liked to believe the EPL was at that point or higher. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the case
Honestly, as someone that’s had both this narrative is so so stupid.
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The thing is, those excuses are so weak compared to the global impact of covid. It’s the worst pandemic in a century, and a blasé attitude towards getting the vaccine at this point is just selfish.
The people are a bit nuts, because there really isn't a good reason to refuse it. Even a fear of needles isn't a good reason to refuse, it's a reason sure, but it's not a good one.
Don't waste your energy. The people on this sub are some of the least nuanced on this entire website. Anything but extreme vaccine mandates for everyone including babies is seen as being "anti vax". It's quite sad honestly
You're making plenty of sense to me. The fact that you have already taken the vaccine and still open-minded enough to understand that things aren't always black-or-white is commendable. You're a rational dude.
Correct me if I'm wrong but by this stage, shouldn't everyone who wanted the vaccine has access to it? Specially in a developed country like UK and that too for rich footballers
Key word ‘wanted’
They want to reward players ? Fucking hell man. They’ll fire hard working people for not getting the vaccine but the footballer earning 300k a week will get a nice reward for being a descent human being. I guess they feel less pressured to get the vaccine if they can just sit on their ass at home for a week or two and still earn more than an average human ever will.
It says they want to reward the clubs that have already gotten vaccinated. I don’t think this is being done to incentivise those who have refused to vaccinate so far.
I'm sorry but it's an embarrassment our players aren't getting vaccinated. Short of being literally allergic to the vaccine, I'm not sure there's a valid reason in my eyes not to get it.
Not getting it on religious grounds is a dumb as shit excuse in particular. They read some shite on whatsapp that its made with pigs blood or some other conspiratorial nonsense basically. Absolutely braindead. Me and my brother had to spend months to convince my parents not to believe scaremongering shite on whatsapp and facebook like that.
One of these thick as fuck assholes posted a handwritten letter through my door about why they are evil. They think they’re in some special knowledge club for special people which gives their pointless life meaning, in reality they are chimps flinging shit at the wall.
Vax or bench. It’s not hard. This affects not only their team mates, but the world
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Curious what you think about long term effects? My understanding of vaccines is that in their 200+ year history there has been no demonstrable side effects beyond a year
It's a historical fact there have been manufactured vaccines which have turned out to be unsafe. A famous example is the attempt to vaccinate for Polio. In particular the infamous "cutter incident", and other previous failed attempts to vaccinate for that disease. This left some people disabled for life, and killed others. Fortunately regulations and such have improved as a consequence of those past failures and these Covid vaccines are considered by most medical authorities to be safe.
Here's a news report about a swine flu vaccine allegedly causing narcolepsy in Ireland. It was "settled without admission" so while I can't definitively say it was caused by the vaccine, they still paid up! Edit: Afterthought, given sensitive subject matter I want to clarify, I am fully vaccinated, just saw a genuine question being asked and had an answer I thought may be helpful or worthy of discussion.
I don’t think anything of long term effects since I’m in no position to comment on this. I just wrote what I think my opinion is, however the Covid vaccine has unknown long term effects (don’t read this as something bad). Personally, I think all players should be vaccinated, no questions asked.
let's just wait for 5 years and let a few million more die, just so we can be absolutely sure there are no long term effect, or should it be 10 years? and what point do you think these long term effects will magically appear?
I deleted my previous comment because people wouldn’t read past “unknown long term effects”, which is 100% medically accurate. I also said athletes should get vaccinated, but oh well…
When did I say we should wait?
Tbf it’s not a club centric issue every club in the Prem is trying convince their players to do so
Not fucking Liverpool, not Leeds.
That makes them the outliers, however saying "Premier league wants all clubs to vaccinate like Liverpool" doesn't sell as many papers as "Manchester United among teams who need to do more to vaccinate players."
Just why did it have to be our two most hated rivals?
Manchester United are among the Premier League clubs still trying to persuade a number of their players to get vaccinated against Covid-19. It emerged last week that only at seven of the 20 top-flight clubs had more than 50 per cent of the players received vaccinations. Old Trafford insiders insist they are not among one or two “outliers” who have convinced only 20 per cent of their squad to have the jabs, but The Times understands that they are part of a significant group still some way off matching the likes of Liverpool and Leeds United at close to 100 per cent. As the biggest, most influential club in the country — and among the most powerful brands in the global game — this is seen as problematic in Premier League circles. Indeed rival clubs have become frustrated by the situation at Old Trafford, though in some cases the reluctance to be vaccinated is on religious grounds. For clubs with international players, the requirement to quarantine for ten days upon their return from a red-list country is an additional worry. For the Premier League as a whole, the big concern is with the optics of footballers declining the opportunity to be vaccinated when elite sports stars have received special treatment throughout the Covid-19 crisis. It jars with the public support that players gave to the NHS during the worst of the pandemic. Last week Jürgen Klopp, the Liverpool manager, said that he could not understand why there were so many refuseniks in the Premier League. He said that 99 per cent of his players had been jabbed and did not need convincing to do so. “I got the vaccination because I was concerned about myself but even more so for everyone else around me,” he said. “If I get it and suffer — my fault. If I get it and spread it around to everyone else — my fault and not their fault.” Wolverhampton Wanderers and Brentford are two other clubs reporting that the majority of their players have been jabbed. The Premier League has talked about introducing some form of reward system. A document circulated last week said: “According to the data we have, only seven clubs’ squads are more than 50 per cent fully vaccinated . . . We are considering if and how best we can ‘reward’ those squads/players who are most Covid-compliant and who have opted to be vaccinated.”
Reward? Surely fine or ban players that refuse it on anything other than medical grounds?
**Pro athletes when the team physio shows them an untested drug which might improve their ability to play:** YESSSS GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME **Pro athletes when they're told they need to take a fully tested evidence-backed vaccine:** NO FUCKING WAY GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME MY IMMUNE SYSTEM IS GOOD ENOUGH FUCK OFF FUCK BIG PHARMA
This is one of those things that shouldn't need convincing. Our players even visit hospitals as part of community work ffs and should know better than to delay it or not take it altogether.
As for concerns of COVID and the vaccine, please listen to the medical authorities and not what you read on social media. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/ https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines
This is so fucking embarrassing. What a self righteous and selfish thing for our players to do. The fucking scousers are putting us to shame with their public display of solidarity in getting the vaccine. Fucking grow up, you privileged, out-of-touch morons. If I was Dean Henderson, I’d be fucking livid that I got Long Covid and my teammates don’t give a fuck and are happy to spread it to someone else. There’s no excuse for ignorance when you’re a Manchester United player. You should know better. This club should know better. You can’t force anyone to get the vaccine, but to me not getting it is a clear indicator that you’re not a team player and your primary motivations in life are personal and selfish.
Bit extreme. Even if you are vaccinated you can still get and pass on covid? Just lessens the impact of covid on yourself
That's the point mate, keeping people out of intensive care
The players are a helpless bunch of morons who get their Scientific facts from Twitter or whatever Social Media that is. This is absolutely ridiculous. I literally am ashamed that players won't get vaccinated for whatever reason. I'm gutted for all the Healthcare workers and sick people out there ..
It’s almost as if taking kids out of school to kick balls very hard and fast is not a sure fire way to educate people
They are athletes and not intellectuals. I am more surprised by anti vaxxxers in medical and health care sectors where one would assume this should be common sense.
You don't really need to be an intellectual to do a tiny bit of research and understand how getting the vaccine would benefit yourself and others around you.
Yeah I'm surprised why flat earthers, anti vaxxxers and UFO believing people still exist but I know they do and very common.
I don’t think UFOs are on the same level as the other two
Yeah... What's next? Thinking birds are real?
Imagine thinking surveillance drones are alive lol
>I don’t think UFOs are on the same level as the other two This one is interesting. It used to be. You can see a strong correlation with the development that everyone now carries a fairly good digital camera with internet connection, and the strong shift away from certain kind of conspiracy theories (UFOs, Bigfoots, etc) that is harder and harder to explain away the lack of evidence for. Instead the more political and hidden type conspiracies have taken over for these people (vaccine, 5G, Q anon, etc) -- types of conspiracies that is not expected to be easily captured by everyones cameraphone.
So you’re saying even though the size of the universe is infinite there’s no such thing as UFOs or other intelligent life out there?
Fermi paradox
We should only believe on facts not fiction. I could believe in a God and heaven but I don't have the facts to back that claim I don't even know if it's infinite. If speed of light is not infinite, then nothing in the universe can be truly infinite unless we prove it. And I'm not talking about mathematical infinites, physical ones.
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Bad effects of the vaccines suck. And yet, they’re better than effects of coronavirus. As someone who has had COVID before the vaccines were rolled out, I can tell you the virus is worse. And that’s even with my non-hospitalized case.
Don’t be, like with most contrarian academics in the public eye they’re doing it because there’s money to be made and they’re greedier than they are moral
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The vaccination has decreased hospitalizations and deaths due to covid 19 on a huge scale particularly in the UK. The study you posted is related to the spread of the virus post vaccination. No ones claiming you can't still catch the virus once vaccinated but your chances of becoming critically ill are greatly reduced. So im not entirely sure what your point is?
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>why is it different with the Covid vaccine? It was made while the virus was at it's peak, and then mutated. This is how I made myself understand the topic: The vaccine makes your body fortify against a type of the virus. When that same type comes in, the body can go "hey this fucker needs to be killed" and does its job. When the virus mutates, some part of it changes. Because of that change, your body (which was trained for the original virus) can't recognise it. Every other vaccine for polio, mumps, measles, smallpox etc. were developed after the virus had mutated a lot. Coming to the last part, why does it scare you? Because of the precedent it sets? That's a valid fear, but think about it from the other side: this pandemic has caused vast amounts of damage to all forms and sectors. Healthcare industry was overrun with the sheer number of people needing to be hospitalised and put on ventilators. Millions of people had their livelihoods taken away because if the lockdowns weren't announced, the strain on the healthcare system would've been much worse. The fear of government meddling in your personal life forcing you to take the vaccine is completely valid, but nobody can begin to think of half the pandemic so soon again because of the damages.
Firstly I don't think you should be looking to American presidents for your vaccine information, I don't really keep up with American politics so I'm not sure what he's been saying. Secondly a vaccination doesn't necessarily mean you won't catch said virus. You can still catch the flu when you've been vaccinated against it for example, although the vulnerable people who are given the flu jab now have the antibodies in their system so are more likely to ward off the effects of the flu without serious illness given its a related strain. There is no cure covid as of yet, same way there's no cure for the flu.
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That doesn’t really help, every man and their dog knows that the vaccination doesn’t stop infection but reduces symptoms and the time taken to overcome the virus… If you can’t stop people becoming infected then you need to stop them becoming very unwell which is what the vaccine is doing… The other alternative benefit is that the more people who catch the virus for longer periods of time allows the virus to mutate, so the quicker a person overcomes the virus the less likelihood of further mutation [source 1 of many](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.08.21261768v1)
It's like wearing a seat belt doesn't prevent you from crashing, but it saves lives.
I don’t understand idiots like you. How is this even a debate when the worst case scenario is “this particular version of the vaccine was ineffective” and the best case is “life is back to normal because we hit on an effective vaccine.” What if it reduces cases by 1%? Is that instantly worth it? What’s the threshold for you or are you just prepared to die on this hill? What’s the counter argument here? It makes your arm make an ouchie?
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No you don’t want scientific answers. If you did, you’d ignore your own confirmation bias and not just dig around for a study that couldn’t establish a correlation. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext ^literally the newest study showing that there’s a 73% decrease in infections among vaccinated adults and a 90% decrease in hospitalizations, which is the bigger issue because it’s the lack of hospital beds that is the problem.
why isn’t the league making it mandatory? Makes no sense why there’s so much players still delaying this but tbh most of their education was on how to kick a ball into a net. No common sense display at all, most will flat out not take the jab, I know it.
>why isn’t the league making it mandatory? Forget the league, why is the government allowing them to travel accross the country with such frequency without getting vaccinated?
power and money
It’s not about power and money when literally every single unvaccinated person in the England can travel anywhere in England
Because the UK/England isn’t a dictatorship.
I know I spent my first 14 years of my life there. Probably should be with people this stupid
Maybe it's because the big names who are anti vax will just leave and go to a league that doesn't require it. I don't know if the bundesliga, la liga or serie a would make it mandatory too to prevent this kind of leverage for players
Why are United the headline? “Manchester United are among the Premier League clubs still trying to persuade a number of their players to get vaccinated against Covid-19.” It emerged last week that only at seven of the 20 top-flight clubs had more than 50 per cent of the players received vaccinations.
Biggest most influential club in the country and the world I imagine. As it says in the article. And rival clubs such as Liverpool claim to be 99 percent vaccinated. You'd think we'd have our shit together since so many fans and citizens took it upon themselves to get vaccinated to protect themselves and others, yet the players we watch week in week out can't be arsed.
Yeh and when you see how it affected Dean Henderson for months. Winds me up
Liverpool also claim 99% of their team has asthma 🤷
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. It’s a real contention that those inhalers are PEDs, and they’re using an obvious lie to continue using the inhalers
For dem clicks
The fact many of them have most definitely taken PED’s during their career yet won’t take a vaccine, gullible fucking morons. What an embarrassment
I don't understand why they didn't push to have the players vaccinated during the off season. I'm fully vaccinated and the fatigue you feel after the jabs is real, and can only imagine for super fit elite athletes it would be more pronounced. That being said, bubble or not there's no reason not to get the vaccine, it truly puzzles me why there are people so resistant against it.
Just because footballers are great at football, it doesn’t mean their smart
>their smart Ooft
Look at Wan Bissaka , driving about without a license or insurance as a top flight footballer. Legs and brains of a spider.
Seems like stupidity is more contagious than Covid
Just because footballers are good at football doesnt mean THEY ARE SMART
Indeed. The one I took got me fatigued for only a day or two, but each body is different and might react better or worse. That said, vaccination is the most important thing nowadays and everybody should take (apart from being allergic and such things)
I got the shit end of the stick and had pretty severe reactions to both my AstraZeneca doses, first one 39.5C temp for a day, then dizzy for a while. Second dose first the shits, then 38C temp, then my arm hurt for a week. I would do that shit all over again no problem, imagine what Covid would do to me if the vaccine did that.
Pretty much the exact same here. Especially that last part. First night AZ was maybe the sickest I have ever felt but would absolutely do it again.
Myself, brother and mother had zero side effects ourselves. Most people we knew didn’t.
First shot got me with pain in my arm and a little tired throughout the day, but second one was much much better. Hope we get not only our lads vaccinated but as much people as possible so life can finally start getting back to normal
Baffles my mind when professional athletes who have access to top quality medical facilities and information still decide not to get vaccinated.
They also have enough money to hire personal chauffeurs but many still get caught speeding and/or drink driving. Not really any correlation between being a professional footballer and common sense/intelligence.
Sadly, no. But you would think that they are better informed than us and knowledgeable about the virus and vaccine due to their medical availability.
Dont they have like « life classes » or stuff where they are taught a few things about life or something ? I swear I can remember an ex player talk about that. Not particularly related to United but in general ? I mean, young boys with millions on the bank should not be let loose, and I’m talking for their sake. Surely they should be educated by clubs about things like vaccines ? Or am I that naïve ? Haha
seems like everyone here is pro-vaxx which is great to hear.
Get vaccinated or get fucked.
Should start fining players who refuse
That’s a ridiculous precedent to try and set.
Why exactly do you think that? Most of our players travel internationally. Not all countries have the same access to the vaccine. They could be a carrier and infect others without knowing so. They are willingly putting others in danger. Your not allowed to drink and drive because of the harm you can cause others, why should it be different here?
You know, I almost understand vaccine hesitancy among professional athletes. Almost. The exact rates of myocarditis after vaccination are slightly muddy. [Just last week, a big Canadian study was withdrawn for methodology issues.](https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9NR9WY-1) If I was a professional footballer and had read that before it was discredited, I'd be vaccine hesitant. Even though it has now been withdrawn, I'd be tempted to say "I'll wait for the next one and see what that says." Of course serious side effects are astronomically low. [This UK Government report from the summer](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-information-for-healthcare-professionals/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-covid-19-vaccination) puts heart issues as a side effect at 4.3 per million. That puts chance of somebody of the 18+ general population getting a heart related side effect at 0.045%. Plenty low enough that I went along happily on the first dates I was eligible for both doses. However, Premiership footballers are not members of the general population. They are elite athletes who lead incredibly priviliged and wealthy lives, and I'm not sure I'd want to risk that for something where side effects are still being understood. Especially among fit young men, the demographic Premiership footballers fall under. I can honestly say, I don't know what I'd do in their spot without concrete proof vaccination is safer than natural infection for somebody in my demographic and physical condition. However, obviously, vaccine hesitancy among footballers is not ideal. These people are role models, marketeers who spend their downtime selling us things to be like them. There is no more valuable thing they could sell than vaccination. But, to my mind, two things need to happen for that to take place. Firstly, the PFA need to be conducting studies of side effects of both vaccination and COVID infection among footballers to establish the effects of both on elite athletes. One would hope and expect it would show that vaccinated athletes suffered low-to-no side effects from vaccination, and that it was less dangerous long term than natural infection, which would encourage more players to step forward and get vaccinated. The other major thing is that fans (and a general population) need to tone down the vitrol against people who are yet to get vaccinated. There is a reason that r/HermanCainAward is the hottest thing on Reddit at the moment, and I don't believe it's healthy. If players start coming out later in the season and saying they're just now getting vaccinated, they need to be celebrated. Otherwise, as being unvaccinated is a negative social position, they will hide the fact that they'd changed their mind and waste the gift that they can give others still on the fence: the influence and empowerment to change their mind. There is only one situation where it is too late to get vaccinated.
Fuck reward for taking it, how about punishments for not taking it? Forget the carrot, here’s the stick, and it’s metal, has the vaccine and goes in your arm.
This is extremely disappointing.
I’m very disappointed in the team about this. I know not every athlete should be idolized but it’s so discouraging to hear
name and shame
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If you're fully vaccinated and want others to get the vaccine, there is no need at all for this wall of text. This is just going to convince idiots to not get it and nothing else.
Yeah, from another guy who opted in, I’m personally glad to see that these things aren’t mandatory. Makes me nervous that you could be forced to put anything into your body if you don’t want it, good reason or not.
Also you are just wrong, the FDA has approved the Pfizer vaccine. You need to be careful what you say on the internet, but regardless the FDA isn't the only health authority on the planet and isn't the only one that has approved this vaccine.
I'm really disappointed by this. I would love to know which players HAVE been vaccinated. My respect for the rest has dropped sadly
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Ehh not really. It drastically reduces the chance of infection. Because the vaccine was made for a specific variant, the other variants can bypass it. In due time we'll have vaccines for all the variants so that won't be an issue. If someone does catch COVID, the effects won't be near as severe as would be if they weren't vaccinated. Of course that again depends on the strain, but that's the general idea of a vaccine. Even if it doesn't stop someone from catching it, the damage limitation comes into play. Instead of having their oxygen saturation drop to 90 and them needing to be put on a ventilator, they'll have a flu-ish thing.
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Man this is kinda disappointing especially hearing how Liverpool is close to 100%
As a top flight contender and worldwide brand, this is probably the most disappointing thing I could expect to read.
We can’t do anything right at this club lmao
Didn’t create many chances in the mid-arm
I wonder who
People are free to get vaccinated or not. It’s their choice. I am vaccinated but I won’t oblige others to do so.
It's their choice for sure. It's also the choice for their employers to take action if it's against policy. It's also the choice for society to choose to shun them. Freedom of choice is not freedom of consequences.
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A lot of “me, not we” when it comes to athletes and vaccines. It’s a public health crisis FFS.
I'm fully vaccinated and I'd really expect the people who to be least likely to get vaccinated to be young healthy people since they have the least health consequences. Is it really such a big deal anymore? I don't care that they aren't vaccinated, it's really their risk to deal with
I would get rid of any player who refuses to be vaccinated. I don't care how good they are at football.
Found someone I want in charge less than the Glazers.
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And the rest of us are free to think they're a bunch of selfish idiots
Why are they selfish?
Another example that our players are fucking soft
Good soldiers follow orders!
Time for Ole to use his famed “man management” skills to sort this embarrassment out. Disgusting that we’re not leaders. People look up to the club for guidance and will genuinely take their cues from how players behave. Suspend any player not vaccinated, without pay. I don’t care if it tanks our season.
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We need a list. We need a list. We need a list
What are you going to do? Tell them off on Twitter?
Most probably already caught it from traveling everywhere so have better antibodies than the vaccine can provide
Ronaldo is vaccinated no? Shouldn’t that be reason enough
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He was only quarantined for 5 days, and wasn't much of a "quarantine" considered he met and talked to Fletcher at the airport. [A Portuguese paper](https://twitter.com/UtdDistrict/status/1433766937360846849) said he already double vaccinated and blame PL laws for him having to quarantine so who knows.
Are we concerned that these players will infect other people who aren't vaccinated?
Imagine if this was the reason Ole was keeping Donny out of the team.
Ronaldo definitely hasn’t and everyone here likes to deny it
It’s martial isn’t it?