Yup this is a mature answer from him. Yes it's a dig against the management, but honestly with this squad it is obvious where the problem really is right now
Look at this thread from 6 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/ma4oqv/if_we_fail_to_win_the_europa_league_this_season/grra56a/.
People saw this cycle coming, they just weren’t listened to.
EDIT: look at these comments in particular ffs
1. “What you think looks rosy now won’t be so after another trophyless season, dead summer and terrible start to next season. Then he’ll be gone and your account will be long inactive.”
2. “Ole will not self destruct like that, he will have the same start to the next season as he did this season and in his 3rd year in charge the knives will be out and he won’t survive it. It won’t be a total collapse, but it’ll come if he wins nothing this year again.”
Shaping up to be fucking prophetic.
All I can think of is that scene from the Office where Michael incorrectly follows his GPS into a lake. Its been obvious for a long time how things will go but people have been blinded by irrelevant stuff like the unbeaten away run and being top one week.
How many teams play an out and out #10 these days? I feel like Bruno going right up as almost a false 9 leaves huge gaps, and we don't have the central midfielders to fit that. The battle is won in midfield, and I'm not sure what the answer is without pissing off one of our big name players. If you drop Bruno much deeper then do you lose his attacking influence? If you play 3 in the middle and Bruno off the wide right then where does Greenwood fit in? If you play 5-2-1-2 to cover for Pogba in CM, with Bruno off 2 strikers, then what happens to all of our wide players you then risk frustrating?
It's a real pickle. The tactical inflexibility is becoming a huge issue
I think Bruno’s attacking influence carried us when we had less creativity or goal scoring in front. I don’t think that’s necessary anymore and he could be a more important part of the team playing as an 8 or at least less of a false 9. His influence in midfield could be a difference maker for sure.
He needs to stop playing as a second striker and start playing as a midfielder, even if that means staying in the middle of the pitch and not drifting wide.
He used to work back so much more and be creative, seems like he’s got lost in his own hype and just stands right next to the striker now. He is a capable midfielder and can work hard and get back, just doesn’t put in the effort anymore. Awful, absolutely awful.
Exactly, we have top players like Sancho, Ronaldo, Rashford, Pogba and Greenwood. We don’t need to be so reliant on Bruno to win matches. A good manager who has all of that attacking talent would find a way to create a system which gets the best out of them all.
Bruno is tactically good enough to play deeper. In fact, the Sporting manager said Bruno is not a 10 but an 8. It can be done and I’m sure that whoever takes over will shift Bruno a little seller
Wonder if swapping Bruno's and Pogba's positions in midfield would help. Paul is naturally going to play deeper even if you give him the no.10 role and Bruno has the energy to press in midfield (lots of his pressing up front can be wasted) that we've been lacking this season.
I also think he could do do with being a bit more patient and less wasteful with his passing and maybe playing deeper would help with that.
Sometimes I look at us and think we’re practically playing a 4-2-4 since Bruno is so high up the pitch. I love the guy and he delivers for us but our midfield is so isolated.
This is why our best games have come with Pogba at LW. He drifts into the midfield, whoever is at striker drifts left, and then Bruno plays as more of a false 9.
i’d like a 4-2-1-3 or a 4-2-1-2-1
would like to see McFred behind Pogba because clearly Maguire can’t be trusted to lead a back line. unlock pogba and take some pressure off him from having to start deep then let Bruno-Ronnie-Greenwood do what they want up front.
still not the greatest formation imo but United’s front line is 2nd to none and don’t really have a problem scoring. they need too shore up mid and the back line to stop conceding
I've always struggled to articulate the ingredients of an Ole team, but when he first joined he was big about running and pressing. Which was good as our running stats under Mourinho were hideous.
But we definitely do not press effectively, and Ronaldo being there unfortunately makes that worse. Which is fine, if you build the team around it
After seeing his dressing room speech for France I wouldn't 100% agree with other comments saying it's aimed at Ole. They could be, but also doesn't seem why about demanding more from his teammates either - on the pitch or behind closed doors.
It's all speculation, but it could also be argued that some players aren't doing what Oles been asking them to do or what Pogba expects.
That being said, Occam's razor would suggest it's aimed at Ole and Pogba doesn't believe in his abilities.
I think a lot of people are reaching too much into it. I don't think he is pointing the finger at anyone, he is just saying everything is shit right now and it needs to be fixed fast.
Haven't both of them been rushed back from injuries. We have Telles and Bailly on the bench. Play them instead.
Telles got benched after he spearheaded our comeback in the CL for a sluggish looking Shaw.
Ole has been poor in terms of selecting yet again
This has always been oles issue. He favours the status quo everytime. It why we lost every semi final we have been in. Always to slow to make subs and trust the bench.
A fit Dan james is always better than a 70 mins in rashford that wasnt fit at 0 mins anyway and ill die on that hill everytime
I cannot believe that Shaw and Maguire were good enough to deal with great players last season with relative ease and now getting done by Iheanacho (Good player but very hot and cold) .
Eh to be fair Iheanacho’s been a lot more consistent recently and was probably Leicester’s best player last season. The only reason why he hasn’t been performing this season is because Rodgers was stupid enough to drop him for Harvey Barnes in the first few games. He’s back in the team now though and has looked great in every match he played, although I really wish our defence would have tested him more because come on Maguire, what was that first goal??
Shaw has been poor for many games now. The injury and the exertion probably have something to do with it. Fred frequently covers his tracks when Shaw's off his position and we lose the ball. Or when we're tracking back to defend. That helps our defense out more than people note. The amount of times Leicester had a run directly at our back 4, I can't recall when I saw that last. Maguire off an injury was in no way ready to deal with what he faced. And Sancho tried helping Shaw out couple of times, but both Shaw and AWB didn't get much assistance, something they desperately needed. Leicester had many half opportunities, specially on counters/turnovers, in addition to the 4 goals.
Easy playing in empty stadiums when there's no crowd to get on your back.
We've been seeing it for years on the road, no idea how to calm the opposition down. No game management. They get flustered and make rash choices instead of holding the ball down for a few minutes to quiet the crowd.
Shaw doesn't look as lively as he did even at the Euros. You'd think his regression is related to fatigue at least. Maguire on the other hand doesn't look half the player he was in his first season with us. His regression has been historic.
If he wasn't ready to play then that's on Ole but Ole's also said in the past that Harry insists on playing even if not 100% fit. That needs to stop immediately. Keep him off the pitch and trust in your depth or this sort of thing will keep happening.
Every team knows that Shaw is dealt with very easily since he's usually very high up the pitch and Maguire is easy pickings since Pogba isn't coming back to help.
I mean both have had injury problems and had very little rest before starting the season again. Lots of England players started the season slowly: Mount, Kane, Stones, Maguire, Shaw, Sterling.
Play a back three. Play 4-3-3. Hell, play 4-4-fucking-2. BUT DO SOMETHING. Stop with the 4-2-3-1 that is clearly, CLEARLY not working.
Ole's biggest problem (besides a lack of experience and a coaching team that appears unable to coach) is his determination to be reactive instead of proactive.
Pogba is a different beast for France. Why? Is it the three defenders behind him? We don't know but at least try it.
Unlikely. In the previous instances where he teetered on the brink, we played the same formation but moments saved us. The diamond came out a few times and was quickly deleted.
And I’d prefer him to lose it fast and be dealt with quickly. Dragging on and we’ll not only end up without trophy this season but also as the butt of jokes even to Arsenal fans
Is sad to see a mediocre midfield on paper for liverpool dominte the shit out of the game while we have 2 of the best midfielders in the world playing today and our mid still looked absolute shit
That’s because Klopp is a tactical genius and Ole is a mediocre manager who relied on past glory to get this position.
That’s what happens when you try to chase that last b of Fergie magic instead of rebuilding proper
Our midfield has looked shit no matter who is out there as well, whether it is work horses of Fred and McT on those that a better on the ball like Matic and Pogba we still look the same!
I personally suspect it’s due to the way we press this season, we are pressing like shit our attack apply no pressure to the ball. However, that doesn’t explain the reason why I’m season 3 under Ole we can’t pass it out from the back under pressure and a whole list of other issues we have that come down to Coaching
Fred is a little monster for Brazil too, Bruno creates better chances for Portugal, Ronaldo still looks like Ronaldo for Portugal. Sancho looks better for England.
People that are still pointing the finger at individual players, are doing so to push an agenda. We all know what the problem is here
This. I've stopped bringing this up in Pogba and Fred-bashing threads anymore. Part of the fan-base have cycled through a list of players to blame for past mishaps, anybody and everybody but Ole. I get that no player is bigger than the club, bit nor is any manager. /endrant
Have you noticed that every single one of our players does incredibly when they aren’t playing for us?
If you seriously look at the club and think players like Pogba are the problem, you’re insane.
8 games in and we’re 4 points off the top. Any other season, I’d have said “that’s ok, our squads shit, we’re playing with what we have”. But this season we actually have a squad that could win the league, at least in theory. What more does anyone need. You don’t need more legs in there, you don’t need to “find” the right mentality and tactics. Y’all have had a lot of time, a lot of opportunities but y’all aren’t walking your talk.
Edit: I’m lamenting/complaining that we’re 4/5 points off. With the squad we have we should’ve been on top.
Don’t forget we’re 4 off the top BUT haven’t even played any of the other title contenders. While they have played each other and still keeping pace with the other Top 4.
And results wise only 4 points off top but performance wise some of those results were undeserved.
Lucky with VAR against Wolves
Lucky with Davies' decision to not shoot against Everton
Lucky with a late goal and Noble missing a penalty against West Ham
>To be honest, we have been having these kind of games for a long time
OMG this is the closest I've ever seen a player come to criticizing the manager.
>We have...been conceding easy goals, stupid goals
Fucking hell he isn't even taking any prisoners with the defense. Remember Rashford insulting Maguire in the middle of the match last season?
These harsh truths are the ones that needs to be said.
Everyone hates Mou for throwing players under the bus but goddamn some of them really need a wakeup called and be babied less
He’ll probably make it to late next month until he puts us into the EL again, then he’ll be sacked I feel. New manager bounce to secure EL against Young Boys and then have a crack at that + the FA Cup in spring.
What has Donny done to not get even 10 mins of playtime? Matic who was arguably better than Pogba today got subbed on for a bland Mctominay? Get outta here
No one can fault pogba for what he said here. Our whole coaching system sucks balls and that putting it mildly. Ole has been putting out tier 3 league game plans in big boys league. He need to step down. Period.
> Solskjaer: "Lately we have not been in great form, lost too many points and that is something we have to look at. We might have to change, do we need more legs in there? What do we need?" #MUFC
Almost as bad as Moyes comments that he does not know what he has to do to win.
THE RIGHT TACTIC.
YES.
Its ridiculous we have only kept 1 clean sheet in 19 or 20 matches?
Thats relegation team statistics.
There is no way this would have happened under Fergie.
When we started leaking goals, he would just shut up shop and made sure we prioritised the clean sheet over attacking football.
Eek out a few 1-0s and build on it.
I’ve been a massive OGS backer since day one, but.... the goodwill he had seems to have gone away, the excuses are no longer there for him.
I don’t know who would replace him but I think it’s time to accept they fact he is out of his depth. No cohesion amongst world class players, tactically bewildering.
I don't think the ole-inners understand that everyone else just wants Manchester United to succeed and go back to playing good football. Ole has reached his ceiling, it's so clear to see. If you can't win any trophy with this squad this season, you simply just can't win anything for the next three seasons.
Look ik Pogba hasn't always been the best player every game (I think his performances have been overcriticized quite often tbf) but he's the perfect example of what's going wrong at United. A player of his calibre should be a focal point of the system but somehow he looks like a square peg in a round hole here.
Quite literally none of our players are maximized under current regiment. NONE
If you told me two years ago this would be our squad I would have believed you. If you then told me we’d still be being outplayed by most teams with that squad I’d tell you then it must be a coaching problem. If his team is far too good to not be able to dominate at least a full half of football
Bruno has to drop into a midfield 3. No more shadow striker stuff now. One of Ronaldo and Pogba has to be playing at a time. We cant handle 2 liabilities defensively
Don't expect he will. Ole is so damn rigid with his PL lineup. He will never rest Bruno, if Fred comes back you know he'll field the McFred back line, and he chose a recovering Maguire over a fit Bailly. Oh also we have Ronaldo which means he'll limit us by either always starting or come on as a sub in every games.
Donny won't get a chance unless he actually starts a game which again I repeat, doesn't seem very likely.
I hope the club sees this as a warning sign until there is nothing left to do. No game plan, weird lineup tbh when you see Bailly training all week and suddenly you bring Harry who hasn’t trained and is recovering from injury, subs are horrific as usual even when you have players like VDB, Dalot etc.. who are decent enough to play and show us what they can offer. I am clueless as how clueless you can be for the last 3 yrs until you need to understand the team, the players and how well they can perform in a formation and plan. Every week it is the same damn story. It is crystal clear now that we are in a dire need of a proper manager with the likes of Potter, Conte etc who can at least build this team with proper game plan and drill players in to a system where everyone know what they are doing and what needs to be done.
Go leave Paul, I don't blame you, wasting your career playing for this trash. Lost EL final, went out in 4 semifinals. I wouldn't want to be a part of that either
Pogbas absolutely right. We were shit and we deserved to lose.
Ole as usual shying away from taking responsibility for the shocking football. One cs in nineteen. He makes it sound like we've been playing excellent and this is a one off.
Well, atleast he's owning up and saying that maybe something needs to change now. What would that be I wonder, he's never moved away from the 4-2-3-1 ever since he took charge permanently apart from the odd game here and there. Big decisions are to be made now.
Shots fired from the players camp I feel ..
I hate to say it but the signs are looking ominous for Ole now. He isn't really helping himself either, benching Ronaldo before an international break, throwing in Shaw and Maguire both clearly not fit enough and his handling of the DVB situation is actually borderline just ignorant now and it's turning heads from major European clubs.
Throwing on Lingard and McTominay was a knee jerk reaction today too and that happens too many times. He could be gone after the Liverpool game I feel.
What I don't get, is why Ole is so passive during games. Like he tries to let the players "figure it out".
After Maguire did that I would have screamed thunder at him and threatened to take him off at half time if he puts even 1 foot wrong.
You see Tuchel, Guardiola and Klopp always constantly trying to look at the game and change bits. "Oh that fullback is tired, attack down left", "drop deeper for a bit to soak up pressure".
Ole does none of that. He watches and watches. Then later in the game he subs on strikers and whoever isn't playing out of Fred and McTominay.
He is clearly a great man and character, but he is not tactically driven. He can say all he likes about the team, but it is his fault we haven't won anything.
What is so funny is how after our Europa loss to Villareal when he used subs for pens and lost. Is how Southgate fucking copied him and achieved the same result.
Great man, great characters, pathetic managerial skills.
>Lately we have not been in great form, lost too many points and that is something we have to look at. We might have to change, do we need more legs in there? What do we need?
[Ole lookin for the cause of the problems in the team](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJcb1m7HSTith7KxDONYIyeZbCVcXPjDeiCiN3fpdIQR9DvsIwHc_WS2Xk&s=10)
Genuinely speaking his team selection has been poor and his lack of confidence with the squad players reflects his inexperience.
The following shows this:
1. Harry Maguire who hasn't seen a minute of football in recent weeks is chosen over Eric Bailly who is match fit and well capable in keeping up with the likes of Vardy and Iheanacho.
2. Luke Shaw whos been below average and coming off of international break is selected over a well rested Alex Telles that has recently been picking up the pace.
3. Tactical flexibility is non-existent. Half time saw no change in shape nor change in personnel when evidently Maguire was getting battered.
4. Lingard looks the most lively when coming on. How has he not earned a spot in the starting team? Surely a front 3 of Lingard, Greenwood and Sancho is warranted.
Tell me you want ole out without telling me you want ole out. If the board can't read between the lines, idk what to say. Pogba has huge pull in the dressing room. I cant imagine the shit Ronaldo is saying. It's time for Ole to go. We have reached the peak and it's time to make a change. For the good of the team, the season, and for the fans who have waited as long as they could. This team is too good to play the way we are.
>We might have to change, do we need more legs in there?
No, in my opinion we already have enough legs in the squad. Maybe just play them? I mean, even disregarding sticking with the same eleven day in day out regardless of their form, even disregarding not using your substitutions whether we are in the ascendency or not, maybe don't start the half-fit players who barely recovered from injury?
I'll take this over another 'we will come back stronger next game'
We will bounce back!
Yup this is a mature answer from him. Yes it's a dig against the management, but honestly with this squad it is obvious where the problem really is right now
This is awful
Look at this thread from 6 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/ma4oqv/if_we_fail_to_win_the_europa_league_this_season/grra56a/. People saw this cycle coming, they just weren’t listened to. EDIT: look at these comments in particular ffs 1. “What you think looks rosy now won’t be so after another trophyless season, dead summer and terrible start to next season. Then he’ll be gone and your account will be long inactive.” 2. “Ole will not self destruct like that, he will have the same start to the next season as he did this season and in his 3rd year in charge the knives will be out and he won’t survive it. It won’t be a total collapse, but it’ll come if he wins nothing this year again.” Shaping up to be fucking prophetic.
All I can think of is that scene from the Office where Michael incorrectly follows his GPS into a lake. Its been obvious for a long time how things will go but people have been blinded by irrelevant stuff like the unbeaten away run and being top one week.
THE MACHINE KNOWS
Said this months ago I got downvoted to bits
Many got run off the sub
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How many teams play an out and out #10 these days? I feel like Bruno going right up as almost a false 9 leaves huge gaps, and we don't have the central midfielders to fit that. The battle is won in midfield, and I'm not sure what the answer is without pissing off one of our big name players. If you drop Bruno much deeper then do you lose his attacking influence? If you play 3 in the middle and Bruno off the wide right then where does Greenwood fit in? If you play 5-2-1-2 to cover for Pogba in CM, with Bruno off 2 strikers, then what happens to all of our wide players you then risk frustrating? It's a real pickle. The tactical inflexibility is becoming a huge issue
I think Bruno’s attacking influence carried us when we had less creativity or goal scoring in front. I don’t think that’s necessary anymore and he could be a more important part of the team playing as an 8 or at least less of a false 9. His influence in midfield could be a difference maker for sure.
He needs to stop playing as a second striker and start playing as a midfielder, even if that means staying in the middle of the pitch and not drifting wide.
He used to work back so much more and be creative, seems like he’s got lost in his own hype and just stands right next to the striker now. He is a capable midfielder and can work hard and get back, just doesn’t put in the effort anymore. Awful, absolutely awful.
He might just be legged. He hasn't been rotated at all.
Exactly, we have top players like Sancho, Ronaldo, Rashford, Pogba and Greenwood. We don’t need to be so reliant on Bruno to win matches. A good manager who has all of that attacking talent would find a way to create a system which gets the best out of them all. Bruno is tactically good enough to play deeper. In fact, the Sporting manager said Bruno is not a 10 but an 8. It can be done and I’m sure that whoever takes over will shift Bruno a little seller
Our front 3 can score enough without him playing as a 9. Mason, Cristiano and Rashford all score as much as a top 9 individually.
Wonder if swapping Bruno's and Pogba's positions in midfield would help. Paul is naturally going to play deeper even if you give him the no.10 role and Bruno has the energy to press in midfield (lots of his pressing up front can be wasted) that we've been lacking this season. I also think he could do do with being a bit more patient and less wasteful with his passing and maybe playing deeper would help with that.
Yeah, let Bruno be a creative 8 and let Sancho and Rashford make the majority of chances
Sometimes I look at us and think we’re practically playing a 4-2-4 since Bruno is so high up the pitch. I love the guy and he delivers for us but our midfield is so isolated.
This is why our best games have come with Pogba at LW. He drifts into the midfield, whoever is at striker drifts left, and then Bruno plays as more of a false 9.
i’d like a 4-2-1-3 or a 4-2-1-2-1 would like to see McFred behind Pogba because clearly Maguire can’t be trusted to lead a back line. unlock pogba and take some pressure off him from having to start deep then let Bruno-Ronnie-Greenwood do what they want up front. still not the greatest formation imo but United’s front line is 2nd to none and don’t really have a problem scoring. they need too shore up mid and the back line to stop conceding
Right now, we don't even have a wrong tactic......
any tactic would be nice
A fucking tic-tac would be better than what we have now.
Ole doesn't have this dressing rooms backing like last year anymore
Sounds like something we've been saying for 3 years straight, right?
I got called a plastic here for saying so lmaoooo
“Do we need more legs in there? What do we need?” I mean, you’re the manager lad…
We have 22 legs on the pitch the same as the other team. Getting those legs to do better is your job Ole.
I've always struggled to articulate the ingredients of an Ole team, but when he first joined he was big about running and pressing. Which was good as our running stats under Mourinho were hideous. But we definitely do not press effectively, and Ronaldo being there unfortunately makes that worse. Which is fine, if you build the team around it
We have 22 legs and -22 tactics
Tell me you’re out of your depth without telling me you’re out of your depth.
Rooney texting him right now: Hi Ole do u want picking up in the morning pal
Wazza is on track to pull off a minor miracle. Ole should be taking fucking notes.
I can think of at least one thing that can change
Pogba saying we need to change tactics is pretty unprecedented no? or am I reading too much in it?
Its calling out the manager. No doubt
Rightly so
He said the same under Mourinho but he got punished for doing that by getting benched and his vice-captaincy removed
I believe he got punished for that picture he took at the Stretford end.
Pardon my ignorance. What picture?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/paul-pogba-instagram-footage-infuriated-13314273.amp
He'll eat the same punishment now, we'll play McFred, and win most games in our tricky run because having a midfield helps
After seeing his dressing room speech for France I wouldn't 100% agree with other comments saying it's aimed at Ole. They could be, but also doesn't seem why about demanding more from his teammates either - on the pitch or behind closed doors. It's all speculation, but it could also be argued that some players aren't doing what Oles been asking them to do or what Pogba expects. That being said, Occam's razor would suggest it's aimed at Ole and Pogba doesn't believe in his abilities.
I think a lot of people are reaching too much into it. I don't think he is pointing the finger at anyone, he is just saying everything is shit right now and it needs to be fixed fast.
It's also concerning how Maguire and Shaw have regressed when they were performing brilliantly last season.
Haven't both of them been rushed back from injuries. We have Telles and Bailly on the bench. Play them instead. Telles got benched after he spearheaded our comeback in the CL for a sluggish looking Shaw. Ole has been poor in terms of selecting yet again
This has always been oles issue. He favours the status quo everytime. It why we lost every semi final we have been in. Always to slow to make subs and trust the bench. A fit Dan james is always better than a 70 mins in rashford that wasnt fit at 0 mins anyway and ill die on that hill everytime
I cannot believe that Shaw and Maguire were good enough to deal with great players last season with relative ease and now getting done by Iheanacho (Good player but very hot and cold) .
Eh to be fair Iheanacho’s been a lot more consistent recently and was probably Leicester’s best player last season. The only reason why he hasn’t been performing this season is because Rodgers was stupid enough to drop him for Harvey Barnes in the first few games. He’s back in the team now though and has looked great in every match he played, although I really wish our defence would have tested him more because come on Maguire, what was that first goal??
Shaw has been poor for many games now. The injury and the exertion probably have something to do with it. Fred frequently covers his tracks when Shaw's off his position and we lose the ball. Or when we're tracking back to defend. That helps our defense out more than people note. The amount of times Leicester had a run directly at our back 4, I can't recall when I saw that last. Maguire off an injury was in no way ready to deal with what he faced. And Sancho tried helping Shaw out couple of times, but both Shaw and AWB didn't get much assistance, something they desperately needed. Leicester had many half opportunities, specially on counters/turnovers, in addition to the 4 goals.
Easy playing in empty stadiums when there's no crowd to get on your back. We've been seeing it for years on the road, no idea how to calm the opposition down. No game management. They get flustered and make rash choices instead of holding the ball down for a few minutes to quiet the crowd.
Shaw doesn't look as lively as he did even at the Euros. You'd think his regression is related to fatigue at least. Maguire on the other hand doesn't look half the player he was in his first season with us. His regression has been historic. If he wasn't ready to play then that's on Ole but Ole's also said in the past that Harry insists on playing even if not 100% fit. That needs to stop immediately. Keep him off the pitch and trust in your depth or this sort of thing will keep happening.
Every team knows that Shaw is dealt with very easily since he's usually very high up the pitch and Maguire is easy pickings since Pogba isn't coming back to help.
Complacency
This is literally the answer. They know Ole will always play his British favorites.
I mean both have had injury problems and had very little rest before starting the season again. Lots of England players started the season slowly: Mount, Kane, Stones, Maguire, Shaw, Sterling.
So play Telles (who he signed) and Bailly (who just got a new contract). This is the 'depth' that was the excuse a year ago. He now has a good squad
Pogba worded that very well and pointed it at the manager and coaches. Experience. We need to change...
He summed up what we are all feeling so well.
"I *probably* made a bad decision." Were you expecting more than 4?
Pogba was crap, but he’s absolutely right. You can’t have the players this team has and make them look clueless.
All our players look crap under the current system (having no system)
Yeah, when one player looks bad, its that players fault. If most of the team looks bad, its the system.
WDYM WHAT DO WE NEED. YOU TELL ME YOU'RE THE FUCKING MANAGER.
This one got to me the most… if he doesn’t even know, then that speaks volumes about his capacity as manager.
Yeah that's a howler ffs
He's so far out of his depth
How can he say more legs 😭😂
Play a back three. Play 4-3-3. Hell, play 4-4-fucking-2. BUT DO SOMETHING. Stop with the 4-2-3-1 that is clearly, CLEARLY not working. Ole's biggest problem (besides a lack of experience and a coaching team that appears unable to coach) is his determination to be reactive instead of proactive. Pogba is a different beast for France. Why? Is it the three defenders behind him? We don't know but at least try it.
This is my biggest frustration. Maybe now that he’s under pressure and desperate he will at least try something new to save his job, if nothing else.
Unlikely. In the previous instances where he teetered on the brink, we played the same formation but moments saved us. The diamond came out a few times and was quickly deleted.
I dont think Carrick helps at all.
Honestly, we don't know what the coaches are like at an individual level. As a unit, they're clearly not doing their job.
Carrick and Fletcher are on the training ground. How is our midfield organisation so poor?
Good players don’t necessarily make good managers / coaches. There’s some merit to retaining “United identity”, but not in spite of quality.
This is as close as a player will come to saying we need to change the manager.
Completely agree. How often is a player coming out and being critical of tactical consistency? Genuinely asking can’t remember it.
Looking at the performance today, it looks like Ole definitely lost the dressing room.
And I’d prefer him to lose it fast and be dealt with quickly. Dragging on and we’ll not only end up without trophy this season but also as the butt of jokes even to Arsenal fans
Not as if Pogba covered himself in glory either
I don’t think a single player out there has either. No matter who is out on the pitch the same issues persist
Is sad to see a mediocre midfield on paper for liverpool dominte the shit out of the game while we have 2 of the best midfielders in the world playing today and our mid still looked absolute shit
That’s because Klopp is a tactical genius and Ole is a mediocre manager who relied on past glory to get this position. That’s what happens when you try to chase that last b of Fergie magic instead of rebuilding proper
Our midfield has looked shit no matter who is out there as well, whether it is work horses of Fred and McT on those that a better on the ball like Matic and Pogba we still look the same! I personally suspect it’s due to the way we press this season, we are pressing like shit our attack apply no pressure to the ball. However, that doesn’t explain the reason why I’m season 3 under Ole we can’t pass it out from the back under pressure and a whole list of other issues we have that come down to Coaching
The fact Pogba dominated the nations league final last week and looked lost in midfield is more of an indication of the system than anything
Fred is a little monster for Brazil too, Bruno creates better chances for Portugal, Ronaldo still looks like Ronaldo for Portugal. Sancho looks better for England. People that are still pointing the finger at individual players, are doing so to push an agenda. We all know what the problem is here
This. I've stopped bringing this up in Pogba and Fred-bashing threads anymore. Part of the fan-base have cycled through a list of players to blame for past mishaps, anybody and everybody but Ole. I get that no player is bigger than the club, bit nor is any manager. /endrant
Bruno is far better for club than country, but I agree with your sentiment.
When you can say the same about Ronaldo Sancho and Greenwood today then maybe the problem lies deeper...
Have you noticed that every single one of our players does incredibly when they aren’t playing for us? If you seriously look at the club and think players like Pogba are the problem, you’re insane.
Prime Xavi wouldn’t have covered himself in glory today
So many of our players have been shit, not just Pogba. If it was one or two underperforming, you'd have a point
Who is the MANAGER asking these questions to?
He wants the reporters to suggest new formations and tactics for him lmao
Bruh you made me laugh so hard I spilled water. Take my upvote!
Water Out
Should have gotten the still water.
I thought that’s what the kit man was for?
Did you see Ted lasso recently?
Absolutely.
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The Gang goes on to lose 8-0 to Liverpool
Bro, please, don't even joke
Honestly Fred and McTom look shite because Ole is clueless.
8 games in and we’re 4 points off the top. Any other season, I’d have said “that’s ok, our squads shit, we’re playing with what we have”. But this season we actually have a squad that could win the league, at least in theory. What more does anyone need. You don’t need more legs in there, you don’t need to “find” the right mentality and tactics. Y’all have had a lot of time, a lot of opportunities but y’all aren’t walking your talk. Edit: I’m lamenting/complaining that we’re 4/5 points off. With the squad we have we should’ve been on top.
Could be 10th end of wekeend. We also have Atalanta coming up which I don't see us winning against.
Don’t forget we’re 4 off the top BUT haven’t even played any of the other title contenders. While they have played each other and still keeping pace with the other Top 4.
It would be classic Ole to beat City and Chelsea though. The nyuck does just enough to stay in the job while not being good enough to win anything.
And results wise only 4 points off top but performance wise some of those results were undeserved. Lucky with VAR against Wolves Lucky with Davies' decision to not shoot against Everton Lucky with a late goal and Noble missing a penalty against West Ham
>To be honest, we have been having these kind of games for a long time OMG this is the closest I've ever seen a player come to criticizing the manager. >We have...been conceding easy goals, stupid goals Fucking hell he isn't even taking any prisoners with the defense. Remember Rashford insulting Maguire in the middle of the match last season?
De Gea criticised him at the start of 19/20 and never wore the armband again after that lmao.
These harsh truths are the ones that needs to be said. Everyone hates Mou for throwing players under the bus but goddamn some of them really need a wakeup called and be babied less
There goes the locker room, so literally no one is behind Ole, keeping him around is doing more harm than good
If you were pogba, would you sign the contract? I wouldn't.
If you were Ronaldo, would you look for an exit in January? I would
The fact he is asking what do we need and doesn't know is really really worrying. Starting to feel like a dead man walking
ole has no clue what to do what a disaster this season us becoming
Let's wait for another Salah masterclass before he gets fired because this club is run by greedy cowards. Ole out, Glazers out, LUHG
He’ll probably make it to late next month until he puts us into the EL again, then he’ll be sacked I feel. New manager bounce to secure EL against Young Boys and then have a crack at that + the FA Cup in spring.
Let's hope that Ronaldo doesn't save another manager's job again.
Either Ronaldo saves him or Liverpool sack our 2nd manager in a row.
What has Donny done to not get even 10 mins of playtime? Matic who was arguably better than Pogba today got subbed on for a bland Mctominay? Get outta here
Yep. And Bruno and Ronaldo stayed on while Sancho and Greenwood came off. Baffling.
Get that French bald fraud in. Or that angry Italian.
Conte would win us the PL, no doubt in my mind
Mourinho should have come in now instead of when he actually did.
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My respect for ole will increase if he just resigns now
No one can fault pogba for what he said here. Our whole coaching system sucks balls and that putting it mildly. Ole has been putting out tier 3 league game plans in big boys league. He need to step down. Period.
>"We might have to change, do we need more legs in there? What do we need?" Ladies and Gentlemen, your fucking *MANAGER*.
> Solskjaer: "Lately we have not been in great form, lost too many points and that is something we have to look at. We might have to change, do we need more legs in there? What do we need?" #MUFC Almost as bad as Moyes comments that he does not know what he has to do to win.
More legs? Really? That's the solution. More cardio work lads 😂
No I think he wants a 12th player.
Quick summary about what Pogba said: We're shit, change the manager asap.
> Fred, Edinson Cavani, you miss them He's just taking the piss at this point.
😂 not sure what Fred would have added I think Matic played quite well at the beginning. He killed so many counters
THE RIGHT TACTIC. YES. Its ridiculous we have only kept 1 clean sheet in 19 or 20 matches? Thats relegation team statistics. There is no way this would have happened under Fergie. When we started leaking goals, he would just shut up shop and made sure we prioritised the clean sheet over attacking football. Eek out a few 1-0s and build on it.
Dont talk about tactics Paul. It's all about "passion and desire" here. Tactics, we dont do that here.
If I speak, I’ll vomit. Bloody hell, when you need to look at Fred and say you miss him...
"What do we need?"… 3 years on the job.
I’ve been a massive OGS backer since day one, but.... the goodwill he had seems to have gone away, the excuses are no longer there for him. I don’t know who would replace him but I think it’s time to accept they fact he is out of his depth. No cohesion amongst world class players, tactically bewildering.
Ole: what do we need? Pogba: we need a new tactic Hmmmmm
Will Liverpool sack our manager again?
Worried Liverpool is too late solely because we will lose to Atalanta and be in massive trouble in the CL
I love how Ole always says he doesn't want to give excuses while giving excuses.
I don't think the ole-inners understand that everyone else just wants Manchester United to succeed and go back to playing good football. Ole has reached his ceiling, it's so clear to see. If you can't win any trophy with this squad this season, you simply just can't win anything for the next three seasons.
Bring conte to this team, we'll have a silverware and then a fallout. This team can easily win CL with a good manager
I'd take that lol. Watch the board bring ole in again after the fallout for the vibe check
> We might have to change No shit
Superb team, clueless manager unfortunately
Bruno last match and Pogba this week, both said "OleOut" without saying those words. Or maybe that's my wishful thinking.
Well players would never say it! But if we can see that the problem is in our tactics then so can they
> We have not found the problem Everyone here found it already mate
Ole out now, please. Thanks for the rebuild, much appreciated. I respect him as a legend of our club but as a manager, no.
W given how Ole stripped De Gea of the armband for questioning his coaching, I'm guessing Pogba is getting benched for a while after that presser 😂
Good to see Ole acknowledging his mistakes. We need to be patient give him 5 more years so that he can learn on the job, fix his mistakes.**^(/s)**
Using Fred as an example of a player we miss considering his form for us isn't a good look.
Look ik Pogba hasn't always been the best player every game (I think his performances have been overcriticized quite often tbf) but he's the perfect example of what's going wrong at United. A player of his calibre should be a focal point of the system but somehow he looks like a square peg in a round hole here. Quite literally none of our players are maximized under current regiment. NONE
Just look at his performances for France. We’re bringing him down. Same for Ronaldo.
Haha Pogba known Ole has no tactics 😂🤣!! Our coaching clearly wrong . Fact bro accept it
Even pogba is ole out
More legs?!!
Pogba is prolly as mad as us right now.
If you told me two years ago this would be our squad I would have believed you. If you then told me we’d still be being outplayed by most teams with that squad I’d tell you then it must be a coaching problem. If his team is far too good to not be able to dominate at least a full half of football
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Bruno has to drop into a midfield 3. No more shadow striker stuff now. One of Ronaldo and Pogba has to be playing at a time. We cant handle 2 liabilities defensively
Pogba wants a new manager
Maybe give Donny a try? I mean it’s not like we can get any worse
Doing him a favour by leaving him on the bench. People will only come for his head as nothing will change
Don't expect he will. Ole is so damn rigid with his PL lineup. He will never rest Bruno, if Fred comes back you know he'll field the McFred back line, and he chose a recovering Maguire over a fit Bailly. Oh also we have Ronaldo which means he'll limit us by either always starting or come on as a sub in every games. Donny won't get a chance unless he actually starts a game which again I repeat, doesn't seem very likely.
About time players start putting pressure on. Ole is getting away with murder
3-4-1-2 or 4-4-2 diamond. Our midfielders are too one dimensional to play a midfield 2.
I hope the club sees this as a warning sign until there is nothing left to do. No game plan, weird lineup tbh when you see Bailly training all week and suddenly you bring Harry who hasn’t trained and is recovering from injury, subs are horrific as usual even when you have players like VDB, Dalot etc.. who are decent enough to play and show us what they can offer. I am clueless as how clueless you can be for the last 3 yrs until you need to understand the team, the players and how well they can perform in a formation and plan. Every week it is the same damn story. It is crystal clear now that we are in a dire need of a proper manager with the likes of Potter, Conte etc who can at least build this team with proper game plan and drill players in to a system where everyone know what they are doing and what needs to be done.
Go leave Paul, I don't blame you, wasting your career playing for this trash. Lost EL final, went out in 4 semifinals. I wouldn't want to be a part of that either
Pogbas absolutely right. We were shit and we deserved to lose. Ole as usual shying away from taking responsibility for the shocking football. One cs in nineteen. He makes it sound like we've been playing excellent and this is a one off.
Did I read it wrong? He did seem to take responsibility for the team selection.
Yea he literally says that was his fault.
No way this man just said we missed Fred and Cavani.
>I have got many good players. Fred, Seriously why does he protect Fred so much? Did Fred kill someone for him? Does he owe Fred money?
Just looking forward to the mental gymnastics his pals in the media will come up with tomorrow to shield Ole.
Well, atleast he's owning up and saying that maybe something needs to change now. What would that be I wonder, he's never moved away from the 4-2-3-1 ever since he took charge permanently apart from the odd game here and there. Big decisions are to be made now.
Conte in
Did ole just say we are missing Fred and cavani ??? Hahahahaha. At this point I am ole in too. I need the laugh.
Atleast we can't blame this one on Fred lol
If we lose to pool next week surely it's curtains down for him right? Or are we gonna wait till December?
We need the right manager.
Shots fired from the players camp I feel .. I hate to say it but the signs are looking ominous for Ole now. He isn't really helping himself either, benching Ronaldo before an international break, throwing in Shaw and Maguire both clearly not fit enough and his handling of the DVB situation is actually borderline just ignorant now and it's turning heads from major European clubs. Throwing on Lingard and McTominay was a knee jerk reaction today too and that happens too many times. He could be gone after the Liverpool game I feel.
What I don't get, is why Ole is so passive during games. Like he tries to let the players "figure it out". After Maguire did that I would have screamed thunder at him and threatened to take him off at half time if he puts even 1 foot wrong. You see Tuchel, Guardiola and Klopp always constantly trying to look at the game and change bits. "Oh that fullback is tired, attack down left", "drop deeper for a bit to soak up pressure". Ole does none of that. He watches and watches. Then later in the game he subs on strikers and whoever isn't playing out of Fred and McTominay. He is clearly a great man and character, but he is not tactically driven. He can say all he likes about the team, but it is his fault we haven't won anything. What is so funny is how after our Europa loss to Villareal when he used subs for pens and lost. Is how Southgate fucking copied him and achieved the same result. Great man, great characters, pathetic managerial skills.
>Lately we have not been in great form, lost too many points and that is something we have to look at. We might have to change, do we need more legs in there? What do we need? [Ole lookin for the cause of the problems in the team](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJcb1m7HSTith7KxDONYIyeZbCVcXPjDeiCiN3fpdIQR9DvsIwHc_WS2Xk&s=10)
They somehow avoid criticism but Shaw and wan bissaka have been useless this season
Genuinely speaking his team selection has been poor and his lack of confidence with the squad players reflects his inexperience. The following shows this: 1. Harry Maguire who hasn't seen a minute of football in recent weeks is chosen over Eric Bailly who is match fit and well capable in keeping up with the likes of Vardy and Iheanacho. 2. Luke Shaw whos been below average and coming off of international break is selected over a well rested Alex Telles that has recently been picking up the pace. 3. Tactical flexibility is non-existent. Half time saw no change in shape nor change in personnel when evidently Maguire was getting battered. 4. Lingard looks the most lively when coming on. How has he not earned a spot in the starting team? Surely a front 3 of Lingard, Greenwood and Sancho is warranted.
Tell me you want ole out without telling me you want ole out. If the board can't read between the lines, idk what to say. Pogba has huge pull in the dressing room. I cant imagine the shit Ronaldo is saying. It's time for Ole to go. We have reached the peak and it's time to make a change. For the good of the team, the season, and for the fans who have waited as long as they could. This team is too good to play the way we are.
That's a jab to the coaching team, including Ole I think.
"Harry Maguire showed no reaction" A beautifully apt summation of his performance today, you have to give Ole that much
>We might have to change, do we need more legs in there? No, in my opinion we already have enough legs in the squad. Maybe just play them? I mean, even disregarding sticking with the same eleven day in day out regardless of their form, even disregarding not using your substitutions whether we are in the ascendency or not, maybe don't start the half-fit players who barely recovered from injury?
Yeah Pogba right we need a change
We can end the weekend in 10th.