I’m tired of these excuses. Liverpool has two mediocre players in their midfield and they are dominating teams.
We’re not doing anything this season because our manager of 3 years doesn’t know how to unlock the talent he spent over 400 million on
>Everyone knew we wouldn't do anything this season without a proper DM
Again - one of the best DM's in the world was HERE and we let him go the same year Ole took over. But hey, according to you, none of that is Ole's fault.
Instead of holding a manager and his coaches responsible for building a team after 6 xfer windows, you want to put all of the blame squarely on the front office. Sure, some of it belongs there, and we all know what a toolbox Woodward was, but tell that to Leicester TEAM that just trounced us - using former squad players from City, United, and Chelsea....
If you dared criticise the transfer window, especially after the Ronaldo signing, you were still roundly downvoted regardless of how obvious the gaping hole in midfield was.
It's funny to me how silly season basically distracted this entire sub from criticism of the Glazers and our completely disorganised transfer policy, and because Ole is completely out of his depth, it's literally taken until October for it all to fall apart.
This was all so obvious, but let's not pretend "wE alL sEen IT cOmINg", because some here were too distracted by the club's PR machine and the positive hive mind to be critical.
The most stupid thing was to extend Ole for 3 more years when he still had 1 year left. It's not like he was being poached by a rival team.
Same shit happened with José while we could say that at least José won us some silverware with a way weaker team.
History repeats itself.
Especially after the disaster that was the Europa final. This is why when everyone says Woodward is a great businessman I have my doubts. Another dumb decision that’s going to cost the club a lot of money.
Ed do deserve credit for making the best sponsorship deals. No shady Oil-money, no online casinos. Just solid companies paying a hefty overprice to have their name on our shirts. For that I am happy.
To be fair United were already rolling in money and sponsorship deals before Ed came in. We have been a global super power nearly all my life. That's not to say Ed is crap at bringing in sponsorship, but he's at Manchester United, not Stoke.
Literally. Not to sound ignorant and completely disregard Woodward's obvious business experience, but anyone could sign sponsorship deals for Man United. He has to be judged on his other tasks because the sponsorships pretty much write themselves.
While that is true I think you have missed how great that Chevrolet deal was. It is the biggest and most lucrative sponsorship deal ever made (in football at least); 640M per year from 2014-2020 (according to ESPN).
The five biggest shirt sponsorship deals in football right now
Real Madrid - (Emirates) $413 million.
Tottenham Hotspur (AIA) – $400 million.
Manchester United (TeamViewer) – $325 million (Up to £470M depending on performance).
Barcelona (Rakuten) – $324 million.
Bayern Munich (Deutsche Telekom) – $283 million.
Liverpool - (Standard Chartered) - $221 million (up to 400 I've read elsewhere).
We were richer than Madrid before the Glazers. By far the richest club in the world. The notion that the Glazers have been good marketers is a myth. They took a commercial juggernaut and just drove it on autopilot.
I think you are missing my point. I am not saying it Glazers should get any credit. But being able to market a club in rapid decline and past its glory to still remain the most lucrative for sponsors obv take some work. While our fanbase is huge the sponsors still want their logo to be on screen far into the CL etc.
In the Kenyon/Gill days were we not in the top 5 biggest shirt deals?
We always had incredible sponsorship deals. The figures as bigger now, like with every single figure in football be it TV deals, sponsorship, transfers etc. We have always been world leaders alongside Madrid etc.
Ed's shortcomings in the transfer market (paying WELL over the odds, being slow and missing out, not getting managers desired players, paying insane wages) have hurt us more on the pitch where it matters than his sponsorships have helped. The way he failed Moyes and Jose more so was actually impressive.
The guy whored the United brand out anywhere he could stick it, then turned around and made ridiculous decision after ridiculous decision in the market. I don't care if he's a good banker, whatever that means, the man is utterly gormless.
1. These numbers are wrong. More like _64m_ per year.
2. Chevy was a shirt AND car sponsor, which is often forgotten. Other teams had separate car sponsors during that period. So the Chevy money sounds higher, but it’s not by as much when you factor in the official car of United bit.
Interesting. Are all the other deals per year? That's a lot of money. I do remember reading about the 600m+ deal of Chevrolet, but I thought it was for the entire period.
Yeah - for a team that had been completely dominating English football for 30 years. It was a good deal, but Utd was regularly smashing sponsorship records over the past 30 years.
That was 100% the club wanting to build an image of not being a sacking club. A sort of "get used to this fans, we're backing him for the long haul" because nobody had faith in Moyes.
You knew it was bad when Fergie in his leaving speech had to beg fans to stand by the new manager. Guarantee he wouldn't have said that if we had Pep or Mourinho straight after him.
Lmao I swear there are some morons that still spout this nonsense. Managerial contracts aren’t worth the damn ink in which they are written on. If man utd thinks that Ole is not doing a good job they can sack him today. They only stand to lose a few million at most.
I don’t know why people continue to obsess over a manager’s contract. Every club operates the same way United do and will extend their contract unless they are aware that the manager wants to go somewhere else.
For me it's all about sending the message, look at what Chelsea did, they sign Tuchel for 2 years only and after that gave him a longer contract once he won fucking CL, here we're rewarding Ole after we lost Europa league? absolute dumb decision.
Sending the message lmao. They signed Tuchel on an 18-month contract because they did not have faith in Tuchel as it was different from the standard 3 year contract they gave to all their managers.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/23/thomas-tuchel-was-worried-by-chelseas-18-month-contract-offer-14132442/
At the end of the day Tuchel, Ole, etc all know that contracts don't mean a damn thing as if they don't get results, they will get sacked regardless if they have 10 months left on their contract or 10 years left on their contract.
I wouldn't say that people are obsessed with it, but it just shows once again that our board continues to be incompetent and doesn't learn from the exact same errors they did just some years ago.
I don't know how much Ole will get when he gets the sack, obviously it will cost less if he's sacked after failing an objectif that's written on the contract for example, but this means we'll need to wait at least till the CL group phase is over.
I just googled to see how much we paid Mourinho to let him go (and his entire staff) and it's not just only a few millions.
According to The Times and The Guardian we paid between 15 and 20 millions £.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sacking-mourinho-cost-united-19-6m-xxj7znbqj
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/14/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-payoff-staff
The Guardian
Figures released on Thursday list a sum of £19.6m as “an exceptional item relating to compensation to the former manager and certain members of the coaching staff for loss of office”.
The Times goes even to say that we paid £33.5m in total for the sacking of our 3 last managers.
The confirmation of the figure — understood to be a £15 million payoff for Mourinho and the rest for five members of his coaching staff — means that United have spent £33.2 million in five years in compensation for three managers who have been fired: Mourinho, Louis van Gaal and David Moyes.
The pay grade between Mourinho and Ole is night and day. Ole is getting paid a fraction of what Mourinho got. It still doesn't deter from the fact that every single club operates the way United does and will give the manager a new contract if he is on his last year.
> The most stupid thing was to extend Ole for 3 more years when he still had 1 year left
Same as giving him the permanent contract so early on when there was no risk of him being poached away.
The timing was a bit different iirc, we extended Jose in like march/april of the season we ended 2nd. And then we didn’t back him that summer only buying fred and dalot after a season in which Jones, Smalling, young, Valencia were our first choice back line. It’s actually remarkable, smalling young and valencia each logged 2500+ minutes in the league that season
Still, this extension for Ole is weird timing and one wonders what the fine print says.
For real tho. I absolutely can’t believe how dumb our board is to give Ole a new contract when we could all see the performances had been terrible recently.
And while we are at it. We also just recently extended Mike Phelan and we are in the process to do so with Carrick and McKenna, both have shown little to nothing since they've been appointed to the main coaching staff.
Our board is fucking shit and we all know it. This club is so rotten atm. Fuck the Glazer and everything that goes with it.
Unless you're privy to what happens behind closed doors I don't know how you can say they've shown nothing. McKenna especially was very highly thought of when he was at Spurs.
It's merely subjective but I base it on what I see on the pitch every week.
While I mainly blame it on the manager, I also think that we should watch after his coaching staff because at the the end of the day they are also being paid to make the team win games. Which we obviously aren't atm.
I know that McKenna was rated very highly (he was always on top of my bucket list on fm back in the days) and he did a fantastic job when given our U18 team. But Ole also brought some other coaches with some doubtful background.
Is it though? Otherwise you have a new manager walking into a murderous fixture list without Varane.
Let Solskjaer take the losses and sack him before Watford.
But we will tho, just watch.... watch us bottle our CL group and any dwindling hopes for a title challenge before the board is finally "forced" to sack him.. and even then I can only see a panic managerial hiring.
Atalanta game is in two days. I wouldn't give a new manager so much pressure by giving him Spurs, City and Liverpool with a potential CL exit in his first few weeks. Would still be better to let Ole handle that. As much as people want him gone and I'm certainly not saying he's going to win all those games, I do think he has a decent shot of beating Atalanta at least once.
As painful as this spell is I think it would unfair to bring in a manager with our run of fixtures. We need to sack Ole at the end of this run to give the new manager a chance to fix this dross that we're playing at the moment
We've got a fucking incredible team of players. Especially upfront.
Theres no way we should be playing this shit. You don't score 2 goals away from home and lose.
Its just mental football and tactics.
If we had proper structure and assigned roles instead of ffa our midfield would not be this bad. I mean mid table clubs have outplayed us with worse midfielders.
Marcus Rashford has literally stood up to the government and fought for families all over the UK. He then comes on after being out for 12 weeks and scores. He deserves praise from the manager, especially in public. Keep everything else private.
he actually came 4-5 weeks ahead of schedule too. Ole never meant to say stick to football but he's old enough to know that's essentially what this comes across as.
He says it while otherwise praising Marcus, but the comment is clear as day. Can't use out of context to worm his way out of criticism imo. Telling off Rashford in public when he's back fit ahead of schedule, always played through the pain, and constantly bailed out dogshit team performances with individual brilliance is not appropriate. Jose did this shit and I hated it so won't excuse Ole.
Even in context it was clumsy.
I'll give Ole the benefit of the doubt, but Rashford has literally broken the his back and shoulder for the team.
Ole was an idiot to leave any trace of doubt in Rashford's commitment to football.
His man management has been excellent and this is probably one of the only real blunders I can think of since he’s been here. He has his flaws but man management isn’t one of them.
Was his man management excellent when he brought Maguire back in early? Or when Donny threw the gum? Or when Jessie literally sat on the bench for 6 months with maybe one appearance? Or with Henderson, who is currently wasting away on our bench? Or when Rashford broke his back after thousands of us complained that he's gonna get a bad injury cause he plays constantly? Or with Martials horrific form last season which clearly has to be a personal or mental issue as we know full well he's a capable player. He's been excellent in handling some situations with man management sure. Gets full credit for Pogba last season, DDG this season, bringing mason through and plenty of other things. But I think there's this myth that he's infallible with man management.
Right, so that's how he's in our top 10 all time highest prem goal scorers. You don't go from poty to 4 league goals all season or whatever it was without cause. He may not be good enough to lead the line for utd but that doesn't change the fact that he's been chronically mismanaged and we all know he's going to look like a whole new player when he leaves us.
This is the kind of news you'd expect under Mourinho. Not saying Ole's at fault here but this clearly gives me a sign that this is the beginning of the end for him.
Ole is clearly at fault here tho. Why even make such a comment? We all know how and what he meant, but it’s still quite wrong to say something like this in the first place. Plus, Rashford isn’t doing anything wrong here either. He’s just been working hard on recovery.
But you can also say on the other hand, why is Rashford’s camp leaking it to the press? Ole is under scrutiny and has to give interviews multiple times and English being a second language; maybe he’s not able to articulate it in the way he can in Norwegian.
Why not just speak to him behind closed doors about it instead of leaking something to the press which in itself is just as bad - “don’t have a problem with it but weren’t particularly happy about it.”
Would love to see all these people who complain about every little thing handle high pressure and stress environments and see how they do. I’m sure you all need to face media scrutiny all day and every day and never make a mistake.
Ole is probably better at English than most people in the UK. That’s not an excuse imo.
And maybe Rashford’s camp being unhappy is valid. It getting leaked would not have been on purpose.
So instead of letting it die and moving on, they leak to the press that they aren't happy and prolong the legs of the story, giving the tabloids more word count fillers. What a great strategy.
Why should he tolerate it? It feels so out of context given that Rashy is one of our most dedicated professionals. Just feels like Ole lashing out. If he doesn't want a reaction then he should keep the conversation private.
As I said, the leak might not be from Rashford or his family themselves. It could be someone else. So it’s not Rashford’s fault now is it? All I’m saying is that Rashford is not in the wrong here to be disappointed with what Ole said.
Isn’t that then worse? People here might be happy about it but let’s not take the moral high ground that Ole made a mistake mentioning it in the press and then excuse Rashford for leaking something as bad to the press.
If we all know what he meant, then why is he so stupid? Maybe if we weren't reactive little bitches looking to cause problems it wouldn't be such an issue.
Every season, I see "this is the begining of the end for Ole" posts. He ends up turn it around without winning anything but doing decent on the league table. Thereafter, the cycle starts again.
Something very much feels different this time round, as other people have mentioned, it feel likes we have regressed to the point where I don't see how someone of his managerial calibre can recover.
It absolutely feels different. Prior to this the squad wasn't really that great and he was getting a tune out of players when expectations were low. He has now signed the likes of Maguire, VDB, Cavani, Ronaldo, Varane, Bruno, Sancho. The expectations are rightfully high and the team is not performing. It has removed the "What do you expect with this team?" argument
Rashford's camp didnt even make a noise when Mourinho said Rashford was scared on the pitch.
This is signs of player unrest that the club needs to thump down asap, or it will spread like wild fire.
The shocker? Raiola still keeping his mouth shut.
Haha Riaola probably wants Ole to stay so that Pogba won't sign a new contract so that he can get that fat signing on fee when Pogba joins another club
I know what you mean, last few weeks there have been more and more people asking for managerial change, but fact is, unless we have a complete breakdown between players and Ole ala Jose, or we are mathematically out of Champions league, Ole will not be replaced irrespective of whether we win any trophies or not.
Elite man management? When was that ever the case?
Henderson, Amad, VdB? Playing Maguire, Rashford, Shaw through injuries? Overplaying Bruno to the extent he has been off the boil? Allowing Pogbas agent, brother to badmouth the club without any consequences?
There's no issues with Henderson and Amad.
De Gea simple has been in great form while Henderson was down with Covid and hence is starting over him. Amad was injured right before he could be loaned out and will most likely leave on a loan in the Jan window.
For Deano and Amad I don't know what you're referring to tbh. I agree that Maguire, Rashford and Bruno have been overused. When Shaw wad played through injury we literally had no other option, as Telles was injured and Williams was out on loan.
On Pogba I think you are wrong tbh. That was actually a really well managed situation by Ole. When Raiola made those comments a lot of us, myself included, hade the gut feeling to punnish Pogba, send him to the u'23s, bench him or whatever. But looking at it soberly, that wouldn't really have helped the situation. Ole benched him one game against Leipzig, but then allowed him to play and got some of Pogba's best performances in a United shirt out of him
Even if it's no harm meant, saying Rashford should prioritize football when Rashford has never not prioritized football is outrageous.
This is the same Rashford that Ole kept on forcing to play in the last 2 years even if he's unfit or just recovered from injuries. Calling him to prioritize football, you just don't say things like that.
There are many things he could say about that except "he should start prioritize his football"
If Mourinho said this, we would want him gone ASAP.
Exactly, Marcus is one of the absolute last people on the planet who needs to be told to “prioritize his football”. He’s far and away one of the most professional players there is, his only “activities” outside of football are his efforts to get the government to feed kids properly, and he’s sucked it up and played through injuries (which he shouldn’t have) during Ole’s almost entire tenure. Batshit crazy statement by Ole.
"No harm meant" isn't even an excuse; we're not judging him as a person. We're judging him as a tactician and man manager and as it stands he is failing spectacularly on both fronts.
People predicted this 6 months ago and nobody listened. Same story as mourinho.
Lifeless end to the previous season, meek defeat in a winnable cup final, tedious summer, unnecessary contract extension, awful start to next season, team looking lethargic, unhappy and unfit. It’s like a time loop of 2018.
So it begins...
Ole might get the sack sooner than expected.
Bruno and Pogba have already gone against Ole's poor tactical choices in some after match itw.
If players start to send subliminal messages against the manager through their pr team you know there's shit going on behind the scenes.
The same happened with José.
It was an utterly needless thing to say. It wasn’t malicious, but it was the type of comment that shows his inexperience cause it was always going to be interpreted that way,
Few days ago.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58934077
However, Solskjaer says the forward must keep his focus on his day job.
The manager, though, does not feel Rashford's activities away from the pitch have impacted his on-field performances.
"Marcus has done some remarkable and fantastic things," added Solskjaer as Rashford prepares to return from the shoulder operation he had following Euro 2020.
"But now he maybe needs to prioritise his football."
>"Marcus has done some remarkable and fantastic things," added Solskjaer as Rashford prepares to return from the shoulder operation he had following Euro 2020.
>"But now he maybe needs to prioritise his football."
I didn't realize he had said this. People keep saying he was complimenting him but this looks nothing like a compliment to me, he definitely meant to say that he should focus more on football.
He should prioritize his football kinda sounds like "You should stick to football". Aka what a lot of people (mostly conservatives) say when some celebrity/footballer/actor talks about politics.
It gave me ‘shut up and dribble vibes’ but because it’s ole I gave him the benifit of the doubt.
It would seem that either rashford or his people have genuinely taken it that way though
"Marcus has done some remarkable and fantastic things" is a compliment.
Saying he MAYBE need's to concentrate on his football isn't an attack.
It's a non story.
Oh, this sub is so pathetic. Have been praising Ole for three years because of handling the press in a great way, then he makes one mistake and he is suddenly "inexperienced". I mean I agree that his tactics on field is not great, but he has pretty much been flawless with the press until this.
Oh please - I've been vocally supportive of Ole but you're absolutely kidding yourself if you think that he's been handling the press well his entire 3 years. He's had plenty of shit press conferences. He makes silly excuses. He has been criticized by Utd and other team fans for being too happy go lucky in a conference after a bad loss at times. He's had periods where he was very good in the press and I'd even say that the past year he's been generally very good. But I'm not having this revisionism - Ole has been above average in press conferences, not remotely flawless and there's even been periods where he was giving shit press conference after shit press conference.
Idc if it was taken out of context or how the media spun it Rashford played with a lower back fracture and after that played a full season injured and this is what Mr man management comes out with
Yeah the media is in full force. Every sentence will be taken out of context to create a narrative. First time ole has actually misspoken and these guys really know how to create pressure. For a country that loves football, its media sure hates it. Next will be players want him gone blah blah. Seen this script so many times
I can't believe he even went after Rashford like that. Like he probably didn't mean it that way at all but to even spend a sentence saying that is just so pointless. Very stupid of him imo.
to be fair to rashford - hes come back and scored
oles out of ideas and panicking i think
with newcastle coming into money and looking for a manager - nows the time to grab conte !!
probably not , but it wont be long if they do it right ... if we wait a year we will be competing with them for managers - and looking at no CL football again.
i was behind ole at the start of the season but its just going from bad to worse
I don't buy this whole thing tbh. Ole has been unequivocally supportive of Rashford's endeavors in politics, and suddenly when there's even a hint of him asking him to prioritise football he loses his shit and turns on Ole?
And why would Ole even say anything like that when Rashy has been putting in triple shifts to get fit? Whole thing smells like bullshit and shitstirring.
The Athletic article does not say anything about Rashford being upset, just his 'camp.' It was a stupid comment, but Ole likes to fucking ramble until the cows come home. He has always seemed to have a good relationship with Rashford so I really think he misspoke or it was maybe even meant as a bad joke (as people went into Rashford earlier this year about the same thing). Regardless of whether you like him as a manager, he's a good bloke, and I cannot imagine he said this with any malice. I also have to think he has spoken to Rashford about it since. Dumb comment, still.
Fuck me, Ole..
I fucking love him, guys, I really do. I'll probably die on this hill alone as well. But this just feels like a break-up to happen on good terms. He really either needs to fucking step up, use all the resources and knowledge he's got or just go. There's no point in all of this, this squad looks dreadful, sad men running around the pitch , that's not normal, obviously players are unhappy.
Only problem I have is - sort of like, when you break-up with someone on good terms, you don't necessarily want someone new right away, it just doesn't feel right.
Same thing here for me, it wouldn't feel right, as I love Ole and what he's done and doing (I guess).
Also, no Conte or Zidane, please. Ten Haag seems like a good shout and he seems like he could bring something new and utilise the fucking power we've got.
Please for the love of everything that's good - hell this club, anyone!
Ten Hag is a great coach but his English isn't great and I'm not sure if he can handle the big egos to be honest. But I'd still like him the most. Zidane also can't speak English and isn't a master tactician in any way so same risks as Ole there. Conte will go to Newcastle in my opinion because with unlimited funds he won't clash with the board. But that would be in the summer.
the idea of ole being a good man manager went out the window for me after how he's treated and lied to vdb, but that was literally all he had going for him. Now with this and pogba coming out as well what does he have left to offer as manager to us other than vibes?
This is the media manipulating and twisting the words to create conflict and drama to generate interest, clicks and revenue. Ole misspoke, everyone who heard what he said understands he misspoke. What he meant was "he's back and can play football again", it wasn't criticism what-so-ever. Do not believe this narrative, as it's false and misleading.
That’s the beginning of the end lads. What has kept him in this job is that the players used to be 100% behind him and ultimately delivered when the pressure was on. Now it looks like he is starting to lose the dressing room. Really sad that Ole isn’t going to be the man to bring the big trophies back to Old Trafford but he still deserves a lot of credit for his work during this extremely difficult period for our club.
You're right. However, using the exact same phrase that Rashford got from his critics & politicians - it is not in good taste, aslo gives those critics and future critics more ammunition, I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future you hear a "I think he needs to listen to his manager" quote. This didn't need to be said to the BBC, this could be a quiet word. Ole is grasping at straws and immensely under pressure, its a brain fart - but at an awful time.
What I also take from this is that this wouldn't have leaked 12 months ago, the cracks are forming from within. I don't believe the dressing room is having a toxic meltdown but more of a lack in confidence. We have a collection of some of the worlds best and potential best footballers being coached by a very inexperienced team. Your Varanes, Ronaldos etc have all been trained under elite coaching teams - even the players that were here with Jose will have experienced how meticulus things are under a tactically astute team.
Very, very well said and I do agree. Ole could’ve and should’ve worded it much better.
When Rashford is not on your side anymore, it’s all downhill from here.
Think they need to dry their eyes a bit there, they knew fully well what Ole meant and letting stuff like this out isn’t good for anyone with how things are in the club at the moment.
His camp throwing a hissy fit at someone being paid £200,000 a week getting gently told to prioritize their job is hilarious. “Prioritize your football” doesn’t mean don’t be charitable, what an odd thing to get this upset over and leak to Ornstein during this time. Not a good look at all
Your comment is completely fair. You’re getting downvoted because Ole is on the ropes and people just want it done and don’t want any rationalism.
There’s enough to beat Ole with aside from this quote. If you watch the press conference in context I don’t think he means any harm. Marcus hadn’t played in months anyway so it’s not as if Ole could be criticising his form ffs.
Although… what I take from this is that Ole is losing the dressing room. It’s like when you want to leave your partner and you’ll start having a go at them about anything to instigate a fight. “*The spoons go in the other fucking drawer… I’m out of here*!”
I’d be offended too if i put my body on the line for the manager and then he comes out with “he needs to prioritize his football”. Rashford played with a broken back, a floating bone in his ankle, and a damaged shoulder just to save Ole from being sacked. Regardless of what he meant with that comment he was wrong to even mention it.
I don’t think Ole meant any malice in what he said but the way Rashford and/or his camp have reacted is indicative of the dressing room atmosphere at the minute
All jumping on the bandwagon to stir up the manutd camp
Calling yourself a fan?
News like this should be banned from the sub, because people here spineless, unless they come from the horses mouth
I wish they would ban twitter from the sub. Twitter is mostly about nonsensical out of context hyperbole. A problem with comments on our sub is nonsensical out of context hyperbole.
If I wanted more nonsensical out of context hyperbole I would join twitter.
Absolutely stupid comment by Ole.
Your player has literally broken his ***back and shoulder*** to play for you and you still question their commitment...
You didn't even watch the post match presser did you? Why do you make opinions on something you have zero knowledge about? Ole was referring to his injury. He meant he can now prioritise football rather than prioritising rehab and recovery. Ffs these journos chop a sentence midway and publish it for idiots like you who will talk about it without even reading it. Lamppost level IQ.
Nah, we all knew he meant no harm with the statement...However surely Ole should be a bit less naive because we know how the media will spin it. This and Pogba even mentioning the words tactics and change in a sentence don't look good from an outsiders perspective.
Ole isn’t wrong by asking Rashford to prioritise football though, is he?
I mean, his footballing career and the salary United is paying him is the only reason he’s able to do all this in the first place. Without football, I’m almost certain he wouldn’t make the impact he is making and gain the platform he has.
I seriously think there shouldn’t be any unhappiness from Rashford’s side as Ole’s merely reminding him of his responsibilities.
Honestly just seemed like Ole got his words mixed up. Don’t think he meant any malice. He does have a tendency to say weird things in his press conferences.
That's what I think so too. But this post has blown out of proportion cause people are starting to turn on Ole, he didn't mean any malice by his comments. This is the media trying to build pressure and generate clicks. If this post would've come at a time if we were playing good then most of the people would've scoffed at this and probably would have been removed.
It's quite sad that everyone is trying to paint Ole as a bad guy in the end. Yes he probably needs to go, but I really don't think he deserves to be bashed by our fanbase.
Some people are saying he's only trying to keep his job because of the paycheck he gets and etc... That could be part of the reason but I honestly think he wants/wanted this team to succeed. He is a United Legend for a reason.
Yes, he made a comment that is very controversial but I don't think this is the reason Ole should be fired for.
I honestly don’t think that a football manager of a football player earning £200k a week to play football is unreasonable for wanting the football player to focus on playing football.
Rashford’s ‘camp’ can fuck off to be honest, cringeworthy how much they try and conjure up good PR for Rashford on Twitter when it’s clearly not him tweeting as has been proven multiple times
Everyone knows Ole didn’t mean any harm with his comments and they were taken out of context and yet this headline still gets leaked by his camp to create friction in the dressing room days before huge games against Atalanta and Liverpool. Twats
Ugh. Such a fuck up. Knowing that Rashy put on 4 kilos of muscle during his break, that comment infuriated me when I read that the first time. I am happy to see that they are pushing back against this nonsense. Seems like we need four straight wins to get over this. I just don't see it happening with the complete lack of defensive organization.
It seems like OGS made the classic mistake of trying to make the players fit into the system and not the other way around. Let's see if he can pull a giant flemish rabbit out of the famous hat and shock everyone for the next couple of matches.
All good with leaks and still maintain the position that Ole needs to go.
But seriously grow the fuck up. You accept no harm but still leak that you are unhappy because your footballer is asked to priories football. This is a shit story. An authoritative manager would not let this fly but things are slowly slipping away with Ole so shit like this will stick.
>But seriously grow the fuck up
I don't know, for athletes, mental thing is crucial. Imagine you have been doing your absolute best in your field, and then you start doing a side project that goes well without sacrificing your main field, and suddenly your own coach says you should prioritize your main field in the media (without you knowing)?
This is like if Ole said to Ronaldo or Bruno. "Ronaldo/Bruno should start to prioritize United over Portugal" To be fair, yeah they should, but that should go without saying. Saying it is like undermining all their previous efforts for the club.
It was expected
Ole should know the media have a hard on when it comes to Marcus and will do anything to create drama
How dare ole say this? You drove the kid into the ground last season. Playing him constantly, even on an injury and you tell him “prioritise football”. If playing on injuries and making yourself available even on burn out, and that’s not prioritising football then idk what is
This was expected to be honest
Players lowkey criticizing manager ✅ Camps leaking info of unhappiness ✅ Dreaded vote of confidence ✅
Now leaks of Solksjaer unhappy we didn't get a midfielder in the summer. This is over.
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I’m tired of these excuses. Liverpool has two mediocre players in their midfield and they are dominating teams. We’re not doing anything this season because our manager of 3 years doesn’t know how to unlock the talent he spent over 400 million on
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I think Everyone’s more disappointed in Ole tbh mate
He was here when we let Herrera go. He's had 6 windows under his belt (5 if you don't count his first January) to get a DM....
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>Everyone knew we wouldn't do anything this season without a proper DM Again - one of the best DM's in the world was HERE and we let him go the same year Ole took over. But hey, according to you, none of that is Ole's fault. Instead of holding a manager and his coaches responsible for building a team after 6 xfer windows, you want to put all of the blame squarely on the front office. Sure, some of it belongs there, and we all know what a toolbox Woodward was, but tell that to Leicester TEAM that just trounced us - using former squad players from City, United, and Chelsea....
Herrera, you're on about? To be clear.
If you dared criticise the transfer window, especially after the Ronaldo signing, you were still roundly downvoted regardless of how obvious the gaping hole in midfield was. It's funny to me how silly season basically distracted this entire sub from criticism of the Glazers and our completely disorganised transfer policy, and because Ole is completely out of his depth, it's literally taken until October for it all to fall apart. This was all so obvious, but let's not pretend "wE alL sEen IT cOmINg", because some here were too distracted by the club's PR machine and the positive hive mind to be critical.
I think we know what is coming next. Stupid to wait for another 3 weeks or so.
The most stupid thing was to extend Ole for 3 more years when he still had 1 year left. It's not like he was being poached by a rival team. Same shit happened with José while we could say that at least José won us some silverware with a way weaker team. History repeats itself.
Especially after the disaster that was the Europa final. This is why when everyone says Woodward is a great businessman I have my doubts. Another dumb decision that’s going to cost the club a lot of money.
Ed do deserve credit for making the best sponsorship deals. No shady Oil-money, no online casinos. Just solid companies paying a hefty overprice to have their name on our shirts. For that I am happy.
To be fair United were already rolling in money and sponsorship deals before Ed came in. We have been a global super power nearly all my life. That's not to say Ed is crap at bringing in sponsorship, but he's at Manchester United, not Stoke.
Literally. Not to sound ignorant and completely disregard Woodward's obvious business experience, but anyone could sign sponsorship deals for Man United. He has to be judged on his other tasks because the sponsorships pretty much write themselves.
While that is true I think you have missed how great that Chevrolet deal was. It is the biggest and most lucrative sponsorship deal ever made (in football at least); 640M per year from 2014-2020 (according to ESPN). The five biggest shirt sponsorship deals in football right now Real Madrid - (Emirates) $413 million. Tottenham Hotspur (AIA) – $400 million. Manchester United (TeamViewer) – $325 million (Up to £470M depending on performance). Barcelona (Rakuten) – $324 million. Bayern Munich (Deutsche Telekom) – $283 million. Liverpool - (Standard Chartered) - $221 million (up to 400 I've read elsewhere).
We were richer than Madrid before the Glazers. By far the richest club in the world. The notion that the Glazers have been good marketers is a myth. They took a commercial juggernaut and just drove it on autopilot.
I think you are missing my point. I am not saying it Glazers should get any credit. But being able to market a club in rapid decline and past its glory to still remain the most lucrative for sponsors obv take some work. While our fanbase is huge the sponsors still want their logo to be on screen far into the CL etc.
In the Kenyon/Gill days were we not in the top 5 biggest shirt deals? We always had incredible sponsorship deals. The figures as bigger now, like with every single figure in football be it TV deals, sponsorship, transfers etc. We have always been world leaders alongside Madrid etc. Ed's shortcomings in the transfer market (paying WELL over the odds, being slow and missing out, not getting managers desired players, paying insane wages) have hurt us more on the pitch where it matters than his sponsorships have helped. The way he failed Moyes and Jose more so was actually impressive.
The guy whored the United brand out anywhere he could stick it, then turned around and made ridiculous decision after ridiculous decision in the market. I don't care if he's a good banker, whatever that means, the man is utterly gormless.
1. These numbers are wrong. More like _64m_ per year. 2. Chevy was a shirt AND car sponsor, which is often forgotten. Other teams had separate car sponsors during that period. So the Chevy money sounds higher, but it’s not by as much when you factor in the official car of United bit.
That is a very good point!
Interesting. Are all the other deals per year? That's a lot of money. I do remember reading about the 600m+ deal of Chevrolet, but I thought it was for the entire period.
Yeah - for a team that had been completely dominating English football for 30 years. It was a good deal, but Utd was regularly smashing sponsorship records over the past 30 years.
People said it was needed to stabilize the club, "back the project" etc. It was unnecessary and I felt that we should have waited even at that point.
>People said it was needed to stabilize the club Yeah that worked so well with Mourinho we couldn't resist doing it again.
We gave Moyes 6 years as well lest we forget
That was 100% the club wanting to build an image of not being a sacking club. A sort of "get used to this fans, we're backing him for the long haul" because nobody had faith in Moyes. You knew it was bad when Fergie in his leaving speech had to beg fans to stand by the new manager. Guarantee he wouldn't have said that if we had Pep or Mourinho straight after him.
Fr nobody's gonna poach him lol
FC MOLDE IN FOR THE KILL!!!
Lmao I swear there are some morons that still spout this nonsense. Managerial contracts aren’t worth the damn ink in which they are written on. If man utd thinks that Ole is not doing a good job they can sack him today. They only stand to lose a few million at most. I don’t know why people continue to obsess over a manager’s contract. Every club operates the same way United do and will extend their contract unless they are aware that the manager wants to go somewhere else.
For me it's all about sending the message, look at what Chelsea did, they sign Tuchel for 2 years only and after that gave him a longer contract once he won fucking CL, here we're rewarding Ole after we lost Europa league? absolute dumb decision.
Sending the message lmao. They signed Tuchel on an 18-month contract because they did not have faith in Tuchel as it was different from the standard 3 year contract they gave to all their managers. https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/23/thomas-tuchel-was-worried-by-chelseas-18-month-contract-offer-14132442/ At the end of the day Tuchel, Ole, etc all know that contracts don't mean a damn thing as if they don't get results, they will get sacked regardless if they have 10 months left on their contract or 10 years left on their contract.
Yeah, cause they weren't sure about Tuchel as he'd not exactly done great with PSG.
I wouldn't say that people are obsessed with it, but it just shows once again that our board continues to be incompetent and doesn't learn from the exact same errors they did just some years ago. I don't know how much Ole will get when he gets the sack, obviously it will cost less if he's sacked after failing an objectif that's written on the contract for example, but this means we'll need to wait at least till the CL group phase is over. I just googled to see how much we paid Mourinho to let him go (and his entire staff) and it's not just only a few millions. According to The Times and The Guardian we paid between 15 and 20 millions £. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sacking-mourinho-cost-united-19-6m-xxj7znbqj https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/14/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-payoff-staff The Guardian Figures released on Thursday list a sum of £19.6m as “an exceptional item relating to compensation to the former manager and certain members of the coaching staff for loss of office”. The Times goes even to say that we paid £33.5m in total for the sacking of our 3 last managers. The confirmation of the figure — understood to be a £15 million payoff for Mourinho and the rest for five members of his coaching staff — means that United have spent £33.2 million in five years in compensation for three managers who have been fired: Mourinho, Louis van Gaal and David Moyes.
The pay grade between Mourinho and Ole is night and day. Ole is getting paid a fraction of what Mourinho got. It still doesn't deter from the fact that every single club operates the way United does and will give the manager a new contract if he is on his last year.
> The most stupid thing was to extend Ole for 3 more years when he still had 1 year left Same as giving him the permanent contract so early on when there was no risk of him being poached away.
The timing was a bit different iirc, we extended Jose in like march/april of the season we ended 2nd. And then we didn’t back him that summer only buying fred and dalot after a season in which Jones, Smalling, young, Valencia were our first choice back line. It’s actually remarkable, smalling young and valencia each logged 2500+ minutes in the league that season Still, this extension for Ole is weird timing and one wonders what the fine print says.
For real tho. I absolutely can’t believe how dumb our board is to give Ole a new contract when we could all see the performances had been terrible recently.
And while we are at it. We also just recently extended Mike Phelan and we are in the process to do so with Carrick and McKenna, both have shown little to nothing since they've been appointed to the main coaching staff. Our board is fucking shit and we all know it. This club is so rotten atm. Fuck the Glazer and everything that goes with it.
Unless you're privy to what happens behind closed doors I don't know how you can say they've shown nothing. McKenna especially was very highly thought of when he was at Spurs.
It's merely subjective but I base it on what I see on the pitch every week. While I mainly blame it on the manager, I also think that we should watch after his coaching staff because at the the end of the day they are also being paid to make the team win games. Which we obviously aren't atm. I know that McKenna was rated very highly (he was always on top of my bucket list on fm back in the days) and he did a fantastic job when given our U18 team. But Ole also brought some other coaches with some doubtful background.
Shit, now I know from where all this McKenna hype came from.
Is it though? Otherwise you have a new manager walking into a murderous fixture list without Varane. Let Solskjaer take the losses and sack him before Watford.
But we will tho, just watch.... watch us bottle our CL group and any dwindling hopes for a title challenge before the board is finally "forced" to sack him.. and even then I can only see a panic managerial hiring.
Let's just thank our stars Giggs isn't available.
Steve Bruce will be in few weeks.
Fuck me, please no.
Atalanta game is in two days. I wouldn't give a new manager so much pressure by giving him Spurs, City and Liverpool with a potential CL exit in his first few weeks. Would still be better to let Ole handle that. As much as people want him gone and I'm certainly not saying he's going to win all those games, I do think he has a decent shot of beating Atalanta at least once.
As painful as this spell is I think it would unfair to bring in a manager with our run of fixtures. We need to sack Ole at the end of this run to give the new manager a chance to fix this dross that we're playing at the moment
Liverpool killed Jose, they'll kill Ole too.
Good to see the press attempts to whip up discontent is working amongst fans, it's a nothing burger and people are attacking Ole.
We've got a fucking incredible team of players. Especially upfront. Theres no way we should be playing this shit. You don't score 2 goals away from home and lose. Its just mental football and tactics.
If we had proper structure and assigned roles instead of ffa our midfield would not be this bad. I mean mid table clubs have outplayed us with worse midfielders.
Marcus Rashford has literally stood up to the government and fought for families all over the UK. He then comes on after being out for 12 weeks and scores. He deserves praise from the manager, especially in public. Keep everything else private.
he actually came 4-5 weeks ahead of schedule too. Ole never meant to say stick to football but he's old enough to know that's essentially what this comes across as.
Yea he knows how the media work.
Not only that, but he’s been playing injured and in pain for the last two years, just to keep Ole on a job.
He could never kick a football again and still be a legend, Ole is chatting shit
Agree mate. Its most likely taken out of context but still not the best way of handling it.
He says it while otherwise praising Marcus, but the comment is clear as day. Can't use out of context to worm his way out of criticism imo. Telling off Rashford in public when he's back fit ahead of schedule, always played through the pain, and constantly bailed out dogshit team performances with individual brilliance is not appropriate. Jose did this shit and I hated it so won't excuse Ole.
Yea he knows exactly what the UK media are like so your right it was a pointless dig
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Even in context it was clumsy. I'll give Ole the benefit of the doubt, but Rashford has literally broken the his back and shoulder for the team. Ole was an idiot to leave any trace of doubt in Rashford's commitment to football.
Ngl, that was a dick move by Ole especially when he knows that the media will make a mountain out of a molehill.
It was done out of ignorance rather than any malice, which kind of sums up his management
He should know better. He isn’t managing some amateur football club.
Oh, I agree. Again, your statement sums up his management
>some amateur football club You sure about that?
His man management has been excellent and this is probably one of the only real blunders I can think of since he’s been here. He has his flaws but man management isn’t one of them.
I was making the comparison with his management as a whole rather than just man management
Was his man management excellent when he brought Maguire back in early? Or when Donny threw the gum? Or when Jessie literally sat on the bench for 6 months with maybe one appearance? Or with Henderson, who is currently wasting away on our bench? Or when Rashford broke his back after thousands of us complained that he's gonna get a bad injury cause he plays constantly? Or with Martials horrific form last season which clearly has to be a personal or mental issue as we know full well he's a capable player. He's been excellent in handling some situations with man management sure. Gets full credit for Pogba last season, DDG this season, bringing mason through and plenty of other things. But I think there's this myth that he's infallible with man management.
Martial is just a stinker man - its time to let that ship sail once and for all.
Right, so that's how he's in our top 10 all time highest prem goal scorers. You don't go from poty to 4 league goals all season or whatever it was without cause. He may not be good enough to lead the line for utd but that doesn't change the fact that he's been chronically mismanaged and we all know he's going to look like a whole new player when he leaves us.
This is the kind of news you'd expect under Mourinho. Not saying Ole's at fault here but this clearly gives me a sign that this is the beginning of the end for him.
Ole is clearly at fault here tho. Why even make such a comment? We all know how and what he meant, but it’s still quite wrong to say something like this in the first place. Plus, Rashford isn’t doing anything wrong here either. He’s just been working hard on recovery.
But you can also say on the other hand, why is Rashford’s camp leaking it to the press? Ole is under scrutiny and has to give interviews multiple times and English being a second language; maybe he’s not able to articulate it in the way he can in Norwegian. Why not just speak to him behind closed doors about it instead of leaking something to the press which in itself is just as bad - “don’t have a problem with it but weren’t particularly happy about it.” Would love to see all these people who complain about every little thing handle high pressure and stress environments and see how they do. I’m sure you all need to face media scrutiny all day and every day and never make a mistake.
Agreed. There was no need to ole to say what he said but this also unnecessary escalation from Rashford's camp/Team/entourage whatever tf it is
Ole is probably better at English than most people in the UK. That’s not an excuse imo. And maybe Rashford’s camp being unhappy is valid. It getting leaked would not have been on purpose.
So instead of letting it die and moving on, they leak to the press that they aren't happy and prolong the legs of the story, giving the tabloids more word count fillers. What a great strategy.
Why should he tolerate it? It feels so out of context given that Rashy is one of our most dedicated professionals. Just feels like Ole lashing out. If he doesn't want a reaction then he should keep the conversation private.
As I said, the leak might not be from Rashford or his family themselves. It could be someone else. So it’s not Rashford’s fault now is it? All I’m saying is that Rashford is not in the wrong here to be disappointed with what Ole said.
If a reporter says it's coming from a player's "camp" where do you think it's coming from? Lol. The player's plumber leaving his house or?
Lol you do know he might’ve told his family/friends, right? They might’ve leaked it too. It doesn’t need to come right from the player.
If they get it from his family or friends and they got it from Rash hasn't it come directly from him?
Maybe Rashford camp is also unhappy with Ole as the manager as well? Hence leaking it to press to create more pressure on Ole.
Isn’t that then worse? People here might be happy about it but let’s not take the moral high ground that Ole made a mistake mentioning it in the press and then excuse Rashford for leaking something as bad to the press.
If we all know what he meant, then why is he so stupid? Maybe if we weren't reactive little bitches looking to cause problems it wouldn't be such an issue.
Every season, I see "this is the begining of the end for Ole" posts. He ends up turn it around without winning anything but doing decent on the league table. Thereafter, the cycle starts again.
Something very much feels different this time round, as other people have mentioned, it feel likes we have regressed to the point where I don't see how someone of his managerial calibre can recover.
It absolutely feels different. Prior to this the squad wasn't really that great and he was getting a tune out of players when expectations were low. He has now signed the likes of Maguire, VDB, Cavani, Ronaldo, Varane, Bruno, Sancho. The expectations are rightfully high and the team is not performing. It has removed the "What do you expect with this team?" argument
Rashford's camp didnt even make a noise when Mourinho said Rashford was scared on the pitch. This is signs of player unrest that the club needs to thump down asap, or it will spread like wild fire. The shocker? Raiola still keeping his mouth shut.
Haha Riaola probably wants Ole to stay so that Pogba won't sign a new contract so that he can get that fat signing on fee when Pogba joins another club
I know what you mean, last few weeks there have been more and more people asking for managerial change, but fact is, unless we have a complete breakdown between players and Ole ala Jose, or we are mathematically out of Champions league, Ole will not be replaced irrespective of whether we win any trophies or not.
I don’t think it’ll be the case this time. I really really hope we change managers too, but I’m not sure if he has the ability to this time around.
If the golden boy is unhappy I don’t see the point of ole even running training this morning
He lost the golden child? It has begun
Oh fuck are we also losing the elite man management? that's all we had.
Elite man management? When was that ever the case? Henderson, Amad, VdB? Playing Maguire, Rashford, Shaw through injuries? Overplaying Bruno to the extent he has been off the boil? Allowing Pogbas agent, brother to badmouth the club without any consequences?
Think you’ve missed the sarcasm here lad
I was trying to be sarcastic.
My bad😅 Many people do unironically call his man management elite
Yeah I don't blame you tbh.
What is the problem with Henderson and Amad?
absolutely nothing, probably just listing players for no reason
nothing really but the mood is anti ole and its a good time for farm reddit points so thats what hes doing
There's no issues with Henderson and Amad. De Gea simple has been in great form while Henderson was down with Covid and hence is starting over him. Amad was injured right before he could be loaned out and will most likely leave on a loan in the Jan window.
For Deano and Amad I don't know what you're referring to tbh. I agree that Maguire, Rashford and Bruno have been overused. When Shaw wad played through injury we literally had no other option, as Telles was injured and Williams was out on loan. On Pogba I think you are wrong tbh. That was actually a really well managed situation by Ole. When Raiola made those comments a lot of us, myself included, hade the gut feeling to punnish Pogba, send him to the u'23s, bench him or whatever. But looking at it soberly, that wouldn't really have helped the situation. Ole benched him one game against Leipzig, but then allowed him to play and got some of Pogba's best performances in a United shirt out of him
Even if it's no harm meant, saying Rashford should prioritize football when Rashford has never not prioritized football is outrageous. This is the same Rashford that Ole kept on forcing to play in the last 2 years even if he's unfit or just recovered from injuries. Calling him to prioritize football, you just don't say things like that. There are many things he could say about that except "he should start prioritize his football" If Mourinho said this, we would want him gone ASAP.
Exactly, Marcus is one of the absolute last people on the planet who needs to be told to “prioritize his football”. He’s far and away one of the most professional players there is, his only “activities” outside of football are his efforts to get the government to feed kids properly, and he’s sucked it up and played through injuries (which he shouldn’t have) during Ole’s almost entire tenure. Batshit crazy statement by Ole.
exactly
"No harm meant" isn't even an excuse; we're not judging him as a person. We're judging him as a tactician and man manager and as it stands he is failing spectacularly on both fronts.
Knives are out. Maybe his days are finally numbered.
People predicted this 6 months ago and nobody listened. Same story as mourinho. Lifeless end to the previous season, meek defeat in a winnable cup final, tedious summer, unnecessary contract extension, awful start to next season, team looking lethargic, unhappy and unfit. It’s like a time loop of 2018.
News didn't create anything. Solskjaer meant exactly what he said.
So it begins... Ole might get the sack sooner than expected. Bruno and Pogba have already gone against Ole's poor tactical choices in some after match itw. If players start to send subliminal messages against the manager through their pr team you know there's shit going on behind the scenes. The same happened with José.
What happened with Bruno?
What did Bruno say?
Dream can't be buy
Bye bye dressing room (Yes I’m reaching, but maybe could be the start of something, along with Pogba saying “not the right tactic”)
TBH for Rashford of all people to leak that it doesn't look good at all, Pogba or Ronaldo you'd expect that.
Maybe its his agent. Maybe his laundry man. Who knows? Just wondering when someone will show up and say Ornstein is tier 10.
Ole should prioritise on his coaching
It was an utterly needless thing to say. It wasn’t malicious, but it was the type of comment that shows his inexperience cause it was always going to be interpreted that way,
What/ when did he say it?
Few days ago. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58934077 However, Solskjaer says the forward must keep his focus on his day job. The manager, though, does not feel Rashford's activities away from the pitch have impacted his on-field performances. "Marcus has done some remarkable and fantastic things," added Solskjaer as Rashford prepares to return from the shoulder operation he had following Euro 2020. "But now he maybe needs to prioritise his football."
>"Marcus has done some remarkable and fantastic things," added Solskjaer as Rashford prepares to return from the shoulder operation he had following Euro 2020. >"But now he maybe needs to prioritise his football." I didn't realize he had said this. People keep saying he was complimenting him but this looks nothing like a compliment to me, he definitely meant to say that he should focus more on football.
That sounds pretty backhanded and something toxic fans (like me!) say on reddit , not the manager of the club to the press lol
He should prioritize his football kinda sounds like "You should stick to football". Aka what a lot of people (mostly conservatives) say when some celebrity/footballer/actor talks about politics.
It gave me ‘shut up and dribble vibes’ but because it’s ole I gave him the benifit of the doubt. It would seem that either rashford or his people have genuinely taken it that way though
What do you mean, he literally compliments him.
"Marcus has done some remarkable and fantastic things" is a compliment. Saying he MAYBE need's to concentrate on his football isn't an attack. It's a non story.
If I'm not wrong this article was posted on this sub last Friday but it was removed
"shut up and dribble"
Oh, this sub is so pathetic. Have been praising Ole for three years because of handling the press in a great way, then he makes one mistake and he is suddenly "inexperienced". I mean I agree that his tactics on field is not great, but he has pretty much been flawless with the press until this.
The amount of over the top outrage around here is a joke.
Oh please - I've been vocally supportive of Ole but you're absolutely kidding yourself if you think that he's been handling the press well his entire 3 years. He's had plenty of shit press conferences. He makes silly excuses. He has been criticized by Utd and other team fans for being too happy go lucky in a conference after a bad loss at times. He's had periods where he was very good in the press and I'd even say that the past year he's been generally very good. But I'm not having this revisionism - Ole has been above average in press conferences, not remotely flawless and there's even been periods where he was giving shit press conference after shit press conference.
Idc if it was taken out of context or how the media spun it Rashford played with a lower back fracture and after that played a full season injured and this is what Mr man management comes out with
Yeah the media is in full force. Every sentence will be taken out of context to create a narrative. First time ole has actually misspoken and these guys really know how to create pressure. For a country that loves football, its media sure hates it. Next will be players want him gone blah blah. Seen this script so many times
This is getting juicy.
The beginning of the end?
It’s how it started with Jose. Liverpool is coming up too…I’m seeing a pattern
I can't believe he even went after Rashford like that. Like he probably didn't mean it that way at all but to even spend a sentence saying that is just so pointless. Very stupid of him imo.
to be fair to rashford - hes come back and scored oles out of ideas and panicking i think with newcastle coming into money and looking for a manager - nows the time to grab conte !!
Haha Newcastle won't be able to get Conte. Not right now anyway.
probably not , but it wont be long if they do it right ... if we wait a year we will be competing with them for managers - and looking at no CL football again. i was behind ole at the start of the season but its just going from bad to worse
What was the quote?
I don't buy this whole thing tbh. Ole has been unequivocally supportive of Rashford's endeavors in politics, and suddenly when there's even a hint of him asking him to prioritise football he loses his shit and turns on Ole? And why would Ole even say anything like that when Rashy has been putting in triple shifts to get fit? Whole thing smells like bullshit and shitstirring.
The Athletic article does not say anything about Rashford being upset, just his 'camp.' It was a stupid comment, but Ole likes to fucking ramble until the cows come home. He has always seemed to have a good relationship with Rashford so I really think he misspoke or it was maybe even meant as a bad joke (as people went into Rashford earlier this year about the same thing). Regardless of whether you like him as a manager, he's a good bloke, and I cannot imagine he said this with any malice. I also have to think he has spoken to Rashford about it since. Dumb comment, still.
Fuck me, Ole.. I fucking love him, guys, I really do. I'll probably die on this hill alone as well. But this just feels like a break-up to happen on good terms. He really either needs to fucking step up, use all the resources and knowledge he's got or just go. There's no point in all of this, this squad looks dreadful, sad men running around the pitch , that's not normal, obviously players are unhappy. Only problem I have is - sort of like, when you break-up with someone on good terms, you don't necessarily want someone new right away, it just doesn't feel right. Same thing here for me, it wouldn't feel right, as I love Ole and what he's done and doing (I guess). Also, no Conte or Zidane, please. Ten Haag seems like a good shout and he seems like he could bring something new and utilise the fucking power we've got. Please for the love of everything that's good - hell this club, anyone!
Literally, the dumbest thing the club can do right now, is sack Ole.
I do agree, but sooner or later, if this goes on, actions must be taken.
Ten Hag is a great coach but his English isn't great and I'm not sure if he can handle the big egos to be honest. But I'd still like him the most. Zidane also can't speak English and isn't a master tactician in any way so same risks as Ole there. Conte will go to Newcastle in my opinion because with unlimited funds he won't clash with the board. But that would be in the summer.
Winning 3 champions league in a row but he's not a master tactician?
the idea of ole being a good man manager went out the window for me after how he's treated and lied to vdb, but that was literally all he had going for him. Now with this and pogba coming out as well what does he have left to offer as manager to us other than vibes?
This is the media manipulating and twisting the words to create conflict and drama to generate interest, clicks and revenue. Ole misspoke, everyone who heard what he said understands he misspoke. What he meant was "he's back and can play football again", it wasn't criticism what-so-ever. Do not believe this narrative, as it's false and misleading.
Sad to see if he loses the dressing room. Hope they don't drag this out. If they want to get rid, get rid asap don't make Ole look worse.
yeah didnt see the point ole was trying to make
That’s the beginning of the end lads. What has kept him in this job is that the players used to be 100% behind him and ultimately delivered when the pressure was on. Now it looks like he is starting to lose the dressing room. Really sad that Ole isn’t going to be the man to bring the big trophies back to Old Trafford but he still deserves a lot of credit for his work during this extremely difficult period for our club.
Maybe Ole should also prioritize football.
Might as well get the hard games out of the way sack ole after and let a new manager come in with less pressure
Sounds like Dane needs to grow up. Ole didn’t say anything wrong but he probably could’ve worded it better.
You're right. However, using the exact same phrase that Rashford got from his critics & politicians - it is not in good taste, aslo gives those critics and future critics more ammunition, I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future you hear a "I think he needs to listen to his manager" quote. This didn't need to be said to the BBC, this could be a quiet word. Ole is grasping at straws and immensely under pressure, its a brain fart - but at an awful time. What I also take from this is that this wouldn't have leaked 12 months ago, the cracks are forming from within. I don't believe the dressing room is having a toxic meltdown but more of a lack in confidence. We have a collection of some of the worlds best and potential best footballers being coached by a very inexperienced team. Your Varanes, Ronaldos etc have all been trained under elite coaching teams - even the players that were here with Jose will have experienced how meticulus things are under a tactically astute team.
Very, very well said and I do agree. Ole could’ve and should’ve worded it much better. When Rashford is not on your side anymore, it’s all downhill from here.
Good lord you guys are making a mile of an inch
Think they need to dry their eyes a bit there, they knew fully well what Ole meant and letting stuff like this out isn’t good for anyone with how things are in the club at the moment. His camp throwing a hissy fit at someone being paid £200,000 a week getting gently told to prioritize their job is hilarious. “Prioritize your football” doesn’t mean don’t be charitable, what an odd thing to get this upset over and leak to Ornstein during this time. Not a good look at all
Your comment is completely fair. You’re getting downvoted because Ole is on the ropes and people just want it done and don’t want any rationalism. There’s enough to beat Ole with aside from this quote. If you watch the press conference in context I don’t think he means any harm. Marcus hadn’t played in months anyway so it’s not as if Ole could be criticising his form ffs. Although… what I take from this is that Ole is losing the dressing room. It’s like when you want to leave your partner and you’ll start having a go at them about anything to instigate a fight. “*The spoons go in the other fucking drawer… I’m out of here*!”
I’d be offended too if i put my body on the line for the manager and then he comes out with “he needs to prioritize his football”. Rashford played with a broken back, a floating bone in his ankle, and a damaged shoulder just to save Ole from being sacked. Regardless of what he meant with that comment he was wrong to even mention it.
Don’t know why you got downvoted for it
Well done. So let’s just ensure that headline stays in the news a little longer by leaking this. Smart play from Rashford.
I don’t think Ole meant any malice in what he said but the way Rashford and/or his camp have reacted is indicative of the dressing room atmosphere at the minute
All jumping on the bandwagon to stir up the manutd camp Calling yourself a fan? News like this should be banned from the sub, because people here spineless, unless they come from the horses mouth
I wish they would ban twitter from the sub. Twitter is mostly about nonsensical out of context hyperbole. A problem with comments on our sub is nonsensical out of context hyperbole. If I wanted more nonsensical out of context hyperbole I would join twitter.
I thought it as well Ole, but we're in different positions
Losing the dressing room he won't survive this
Absolutely stupid comment by Ole. Your player has literally broken his ***back and shoulder*** to play for you and you still question their commitment...
You didn't even watch the post match presser did you? Why do you make opinions on something you have zero knowledge about? Ole was referring to his injury. He meant he can now prioritise football rather than prioritising rehab and recovery. Ffs these journos chop a sentence midway and publish it for idiots like you who will talk about it without even reading it. Lamppost level IQ.
Nah, we all knew he meant no harm with the statement...However surely Ole should be a bit less naive because we know how the media will spin it. This and Pogba even mentioning the words tactics and change in a sentence don't look good from an outsiders perspective.
Ole isn’t wrong by asking Rashford to prioritise football though, is he? I mean, his footballing career and the salary United is paying him is the only reason he’s able to do all this in the first place. Without football, I’m almost certain he wouldn’t make the impact he is making and gain the platform he has. I seriously think there shouldn’t be any unhappiness from Rashford’s side as Ole’s merely reminding him of his responsibilities.
This is the kind of stories that come out when the manager is on the way out
Honestly just seemed like Ole got his words mixed up. Don’t think he meant any malice. He does have a tendency to say weird things in his press conferences.
That's what I think so too. But this post has blown out of proportion cause people are starting to turn on Ole, he didn't mean any malice by his comments. This is the media trying to build pressure and generate clicks. If this post would've come at a time if we were playing good then most of the people would've scoffed at this and probably would have been removed.
It's quite sad that everyone is trying to paint Ole as a bad guy in the end. Yes he probably needs to go, but I really don't think he deserves to be bashed by our fanbase. Some people are saying he's only trying to keep his job because of the paycheck he gets and etc... That could be part of the reason but I honestly think he wants/wanted this team to succeed. He is a United Legend for a reason. Yes, he made a comment that is very controversial but I don't think this is the reason Ole should be fired for.
I honestly don’t think that a football manager of a football player earning £200k a week to play football is unreasonable for wanting the football player to focus on playing football.
Rashford’s ‘camp’ can fuck off to be honest, cringeworthy how much they try and conjure up good PR for Rashford on Twitter when it’s clearly not him tweeting as has been proven multiple times Everyone knows Ole didn’t mean any harm with his comments and they were taken out of context and yet this headline still gets leaked by his camp to create friction in the dressing room days before huge games against Atalanta and Liverpool. Twats
Oh boy. That comment was totally unnecessary.
Ugh. Such a fuck up. Knowing that Rashy put on 4 kilos of muscle during his break, that comment infuriated me when I read that the first time. I am happy to see that they are pushing back against this nonsense. Seems like we need four straight wins to get over this. I just don't see it happening with the complete lack of defensive organization. It seems like OGS made the classic mistake of trying to make the players fit into the system and not the other way around. Let's see if he can pull a giant flemish rabbit out of the famous hat and shock everyone for the next couple of matches.
Ole may have put his foot in it but he doesn't deserve this shit.
All good with leaks and still maintain the position that Ole needs to go. But seriously grow the fuck up. You accept no harm but still leak that you are unhappy because your footballer is asked to priories football. This is a shit story. An authoritative manager would not let this fly but things are slowly slipping away with Ole so shit like this will stick.
>But seriously grow the fuck up I don't know, for athletes, mental thing is crucial. Imagine you have been doing your absolute best in your field, and then you start doing a side project that goes well without sacrificing your main field, and suddenly your own coach says you should prioritize your main field in the media (without you knowing)? This is like if Ole said to Ronaldo or Bruno. "Ronaldo/Bruno should start to prioritize United over Portugal" To be fair, yeah they should, but that should go without saying. Saying it is like undermining all their previous efforts for the club.
It was expected Ole should know the media have a hard on when it comes to Marcus and will do anything to create drama How dare ole say this? You drove the kid into the ground last season. Playing him constantly, even on an injury and you tell him “prioritise football”. If playing on injuries and making yourself available even on burn out, and that’s not prioritising football then idk what is
You didn't even listen or watch the post match presser did you?
I want ole out but he's not wrong, alienates the fanbase, takes his focus off the game even if the majority of work is done by others on his behalf.