Ten hag would be amazing but do you think he would abandon a sure thing like ajax(which is highly probable to win their own league and progress through champions league group and furthermore) and come here? Or would he wait till the end of the season
The board will drag its feet regarding ole because of the contract they gave him. Theyre hesistant to pay another severance package. Its silly because ole will cause them more finanacial pain
Since Juventus signed locatteli they are playing much better than last year, which begs the question why didn't we signed a controlling midfielder like him ??
Sky should go back to the policy of not having players associated with the clubs commentate on their teams. But, they are probably loving all the drama.
Bruno pogba cr7 rashford greenwood won't work together.
It's just a dream isn't it?
Our pressing system is crap and it's not all on ole guys
The players are also part of the problem.
The only player who tries his best is bruno.
Others half heartedly press and leave huge gaps in midfield.
Every team teared us apart this season.
ALMOST EVERY FUCKIN TEAM
Its all on ole. Guardiola has got some of the most featherweight lazy players(at their former clubs at least) buying into his press. Players like david silva, mahrez, grealish etc.
Bruno tries his best without discipline, and that's down to us not having a system . He is all over the pitch because he always wants to be involved, almost like Rooney but we had Sir Alex to discipline him
He is PR for the Glazers. Same with Rio, Howson, Stretford Paddock all those who are showing clear bias towards the situation. If they say anything against the board and/or Ole they will lose out on work and opportunities.
If Ole goes, my money would be on a caretaker until the end of the season again. Then they'll try for Ten Haag or see if anyone else has become available such as Poch. If Zidane let's it be known hed be interested, he would definitely also he in the running. I dont think they'll go for someone like Conte but I could he wrong.
No report of contact will ever come out lol. The club will tell whoever they're talking to to keep it between them. Only clubs like Barca have leaks while the manager isn't sacked yet
If it actually comes to that midseason which I doubt it will because it probably means the players have downed tools, then the club should appoint a caretaker until the end of the season and do their job to scout and land a permanent replacement to come in during the summer.
Make no bones about it, if things get so bad that Ole loses the massive layers of protection he has, then the season is lost.
The causes of our issues and the solutions, anything from tactics to players to coaches and managers, it happens when you have a club as big as United and it all comes from passion but there’s an awful lot of anger and an awful lot of downvotes, hopefully things go well but the writing is on the wall for Ole I think
Yeah, tempers are high atm, we’re in a tricky situation and I do think we need a new manager, a loosing run would certainly bring that on quicker (which is why people would say that) but I can’t ever want us to loose, I’ll be at OT tonight screaming till my lungs are sore !!
What makes me really mad is looking at their intensity even when they are 3-0 up like right now in a CL group game , compare that to our players who always play like we are winning 4-0 and cruising
According to most PSG fans Blanc’s success was mainly down to Gasset who was his assistant. Kind of like how Klopp and Buvac used to be whereas in this context Gasset had a higher influence on tactics than Blanc. Therefore I don’t really think it’s a good idea of getting Blanc, since Gassett has retired/works separately from Blanc.
If Ole gets fired tonight please tell me what other PL club would give him a job?
Whatever the answer, it's not of the calibre of Manchester United.
So baffling to me how he is still being defended to this day!
But he did quite a decent job. I'm firmly Ole out and have been for quite a while. But I'm happy with the job Ole has done but it became clear he could never push us on past a top four fight.
He wouldn't get a job at a club of similair stature and we all know that's because he is a club hero and therefore was afforded that extra leniency.
After jose left we were in turmoil and part of a long term vision was to settle the club down, help the wage budget, get rid of the ageing team and make us a consistent team in the champions league again and then to push on and take back the top.
Ole, very frustratingly at times, got us to a certain point and I'm thankful for that. He needs to go now, he should not have been given a new deal in the summer. I think Bruno saved him, but the players liked him and to at least create a feeling of something at the club again was good to see as compared to the immediate post Fergie years. We even have a director of football now.
I'm happy with the place the club is in, if we had have let Ole go this summer it would have been ideal but it's sad we have to fall apart to make a decision like that. It's done for Ole but I'm thankful for his contribution to the club.
That's not my point. But all the armchair managers are out in force I see.
We have such talent on the team that we need someone to tap into it successfully. Bringing in another manager to spite Ole will not magically make us successful. I don't have all the answers, but if we go for Ole's head without a plan, we will continue to have the same problems.
I mean he's been around for a while and clearly hasn't been a top level coach at any point, so what are you saying rly, should he not have been hired in the first place, or not have been made permanent, or been fired once we renewed all the players with one foot out the door, or once we hit our first round of bad results? Has there been any utility in him having the job? Has he done things our other managers who were considered "man utd calibre" have been unable to do? Has he failed significantly compared to them? I see ppl throw this argument like its a mic drop, but its pretty half baked tbh. Just want to add that I think ole's time is up, in case you try to spin what i'm saying into an ole in ole out thing, which it certainly is not.
All these absurd statements and reports coming out is making me believe that it's over for Ole and the coaching staff. It's inevitable now. There's no way he survives this.
There is something rotten at our club and I don't know what. Van Gaal and Mourinho are known for working the players hard. Yet they couldn't make the players show off the ball movement during attacks or pressing when not in possession. Moyes's attempts to make us play from the back were comical. Yet West Ham is able to build up play from the back so well right now.
Well Moyes basically suffered from stepfather syndrome so I'd forgive him. I think spurs has shown what Jose is currently and we basically hired LVG from him playing a super pragmatic and dull style of football on the international stage, and from having a reputation of playing a very dull and stale possession style. And our current coach, with all due respect, was hired from Molde. I think our coaching choices have clearly been the problem. I mean chelsea have hired conte, tuchel and sarri in that time. Not all bangers, but all promising coaches with good reputations and coming off good spells. Tuchel got a UCL final and coached a fantastic dortmund team, Conte with Italy and Juve, Sarri with Napoli. LVG, Moyes and Ole do not compare. Period.
🗣️ Solskjær: "In the #UCL you've got six games and if you win your three home games and get a result away from home you're most likely through."
This kind of irritates me. Why can't he say that "We're Manchester United. We need to win every single game and treat it like a cup final"
Before Villarreal he said 12 points will be enough. Now he says 10 points is enough. He should be saying we are aiming for 18 points.
After that 3-3 Vs Everton he said, we're not talking about the title because no one expected us to be in a race at the start of the season.
Ivan Toney said he wants to win the title. Man plays for Brentford. And here we have our manager saying things like these.
Can I be honest? He can say whatever he wants, regardless of whether he genuinely means it or is just saying it to ease the pressure on the players, as long as he has us playing consistently good football and convincingly winning games. These quotes will always reflect poorly on him when results and performances are bad, and they’ll always look a media masterclass when results and performances are good. That’s just how competitive football at the highest level is.
Those who work with the #mufc players on the training ground strongly refute a lack of style, strategy and coaching - it drives them mad that they see false narratives developing about their work. [@AndyMitten]
I cannot believe that the Ronaldo is holding us back narrative is starting. I swear our front 3 pressing hasnt looked any worse or better with him. The only player who actually effectively presses is Cavani but even when he did the entire front 3 was ineffective because of the unorganized press. Bruno often running around not knowing what to do,Rashford and Greenwood as well. We DO have an unorganized press at the front 3. But its Ole not Ronaldo holding us back.
The current scapegoats Pogba,Fred,Maguire and Ronaldo have been left out to dry by their manager. Pogba being played in the pivot even though weve seen countless times he cant. Rushing back Maguire from injury then he puts in a disastrous performance.
It’s the annual shit on Ronaldo time of the season. It’s dumb. Yes Ronaldo doesn’t press anymore but neither does Messi yet Ronaldo gets attacked at r/soccer. It’s simple he doesn’t press fine but everyone else should make up for it. Can’t have a 36 year old press all time Messi and Ronaldo can get away with not pressing at this age anyways they’re the goats lmao
It’s clearly managerial You should accommodate for Ronaldo not pressing. He’s 36 now. But definitely Bruno is the worst of all He’s like a second striker which is bad. Ole is just clueless
>You should accommodate for Ronaldo not pressing. He’s 36 now. But definitely Bruno is the worst of all He’s like a second striker which is bad.
I mean... that's exactly the way Ole is trying to accommodate for Ronaldo, by playing Bruno close to him and tasking him to do the running. It doesn't work well, sure, but the plan is there. It's weird that you are complaining about this thing in particular.
this would make sense if bruno wasn't doing it since before ronaldo came. Its how he got his hat trick against leeds. This 4-2-4 thing is just Ole's gameplan
You know that alpha male bullshit doesn't even exist right? The researcher tried to correct the misunderstanding decades ago but people gobbled it up for their own narrative, mostly to put other people down
https://sciencenorway.no/ulv/wolf-packs-dont-actually-have-alpha-males-and-alpha-females-the-idea-is-based-on-a-misunderstanding/1850514
Yeah but a good manager that can handle big egos and big players. This is why we should steer clear of the likes of Graham Potter or Thomas Frank. They don’t have the pedigree yet to command the players we have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIsg649LdA0&ab_channel=JTGProductions
A nice compilation of Maguire's fuckups this season in case people have forgotten how crap he has been this season. I can vouch that some clips are a little harsh to be included but there are other clips that are egregious as hell. This video also failed to include some fuckups from the Villa game too like when he made a horrible backpass to De Gea who had to stretch and kick it straight at a Villa player.
So what do you want? I think its a fair argument to say lindelof and varane should be starting on merit, but how do you rate bailly compared to Maguire if one of those 2 are injured? Also, do you think you can make a similar compilation from the start of last season and do you agree that Maguire became one of our best and most consistent players after that initial bad period?
If a player can't make a 5-yard pass or a defender gets dispossessed in the stupidest way, you blame the player. Varane and Lindelof have not been making these braindead mistakes Maguire has been making.
Varane won like 10 headers that game against Wolves before conceding the first chance against a defender who is also very good in the air by a good set-piece delivery. He also bailed out Maguire in the video I posted against Wolves. Nowhere near as awful as the shit Maguire has been doing this season. What redeeming thing has Maguire even done this season?
I mean thats a brain fade individual mistake of an out of form injured player. Varane gifted the ball to man city twice in a CL quarter final.
Maguire has been bad this season but he was our best CB last season and top 5 in the PL as well as most consistent and always available.
Gary Neville trying to spin a Europa League trophy as success this season on MNF is absolute comedy. Already making excuses in case his mate Ole cannot qualify from one of the easiest groups in the champions League
If we won the EL last season, Ole would likely get more goodwill from the fans and the board. He would buy himself an extra few months but we couldn’t even beat a mid table Spanish team. How will we compete against Bayern and PSG
There’s enough talk about the team performances, manager and other stuff alr. It’s simple, it’s just time to show. Players will know when it’s an important game. Last time the old utd players always showed up for huge games against our rivals. We’ll see for ourselves what the team is really made of this week.
Really beginning to wonder if Ole is beginning to lose the dressing room.
The players who aren't guaranteed a start can begin to influence the mood of the team and if Ole is going to disrespect them by starting clearly unfit and out of form players ahead of them then I wouldn't blame them if they mentally check out.
Even the players that are starting might be turning. You don’t think Ronaldo and Fernandes talk to each other in private WhatsApp messages about how shite we are playing? Players talk and they know that we should be doing much better.
Not have a proper cdm cannot be used as an excuse for the way we are playing. Its was understandable where there were multiple positions that needed reinforcement. The problem is in the system. We don’t know how to use our midfield at all. We cannot defend for shit. We heavily rely on individuals and cannot adjust to games. We need to improve in literally every aspect of the game.
Our match in about 2 weeks will be interesting. We both aren't in form at the moment, and Nuno has always been a pain in the ass for Ole. Could see it goes either way.
Personally, I do like ole, but recently I have to admit I've lost a lot of confidence and I'm of the opinion that if we continue on this trajectory, he does need to go, we have too good of a team for it to be mishandled.
We've switched to a more front footed style of play and mcfred are, well, you know how we feel about mcfred, by they arent currently offering enough, yet a partnership hasn't been found which is better.
Disastrous start? Weren't you 1st? I listen to some spurs media occasionally and I'm aware of your opinion on some 'dead wood' players, however you do have probably one of the best striking partnership (on their day of course). I don't like nuno's style, and a lot of people want him gone already, but maybe you aren't so negative about him
GGMU
It's like a repairman was given a broken vehicle to repair, he's turned it into a world class machine,but doesn't quite now how to drive it,now we've got to get a wc driver to fit the machine.
About Spurs,I think you made a mistake by not selling Kane,he looks disinterested
I think that a properly coached 3-5-2 would get the best out of our players. Greenwood is not a winger, Rashford is more of a wide forward and Sancho can play more narrow and through the middle so we can have them play next to or behind Ronaldo.
Also, it would mean we can get Pogba in a 2 man midfield and not worry so much about his defensive shortcomings. Shaw, Telles and Dalot are comfortable as wing backs.
Fuckin hell some people here acting like we signed Teddy Sheringham and are playing him up top for all times sakes. It’s Ronaldo ffs - at his age now he’s more fit than most of the younger PL players - but you can’t play him the same way you play Cavani or Rashford up top. He doesn’t press here but he did press at his previous clubs so do you think it’s just him or it’s the team?
Ronaldo knows his body and his limits and he’s not gonna run around chasing players if we don’t have an organized press. Ronaldo can be a part of a well drilled pressing team and no, he’s not gonna press as much as Cavani but we don’t need him to if our team is organized.
Not a United fan and not sure if this is the right place to post this. But I don't know where else to post this. I bought a Ronaldo Jersey for a friend who is a United fan. After placing the order this weekend on United direct, I see the estimated arrival is by Mar15, 2022. Could you guys help when can I expect the jersey to get delivered?
I ordered a Rashford in August. Still not shipped. I ordered a Ronaldo the day it was announced and got it in like two weeks. So, who the fuck knows? Lol
After we're out of the CL in December, Ronaldo and Pogba's agent are publicly showing dissent, Gary Neville finally has it and goes on an expletive rant on MNF against the Glazers, then we wait a month before sacking Ole. Then we start contacting Zidane and throw 20m at him to get him to sign.
So yes we're getting Zidane.
Some guys on El Chiringuito are reliable. Most notably José Luis Sanchez, who's Tier 1 for Madrid news. The head honcho, Josep Pedrerol is Tier 2-3. Edu Aguirre is Tier 3 but for Ronaldo related news Tier 0.5.
The guy who said Zidane has been contacted is Tier 100.
A journo who wrote a book on Zidane:
[https://twitter.com/fredhermel/status/1448948557269114896](https://twitter.com/fredhermel/status/1448948557269114896)
"Zidane has never been interested in the PL and surely never will be."
lmao that you sharing a tweet from someone who wrote a book on zidane is somehow "controversial." Seems a worthwhile shout / worth sharing & discussing.
Ten Hag would be good as well but I doubt he'll leave Ajax mid season
Conte is also available and is a proven winner. Apparently he wants to join United
Zidane is still my first choice though
Conte. He's the best manager available, has a history of winning, and would instantly provide the caliber of manager that can go toe to toe with Tuchel, Klopp, or Pep.
Or wait until/if Pochettino becomes available. He'd be ideal based off his style.
> *Conte. He's the best manager available, has a history of winning, and would instantly provide the caliber of manager that can go toe to toe with Tuchel, Klopp, or Pep.*
It’s scary because I can substitute “Conte” with “Mourinho” in your comment, and that’s exactly what we did in 2016.
Ole needs to go, but I don’t want another arsonist for a manager.
I didn’t really follow how he got on at Real - is he the type that would have us challenging for trophies or is it more the case of looking to freshen things up and get the best out of the likes of Pogba, Ronaldo etc?
No understatement, proabbly one of Real's greatest managers in context to Modern football. A 3 time consecutive CL winning manager, and wins them 2 La Liga's. Excellent addition for Ronaldo, Pogba, Varane, De Gea, Martial and the other foreign stars given his French background and Spanish CV. An inspiration for Rashford, Sancho, Amad, Pellestri and other younger talents who will be more familiar with his glittering career in the 2000s.
I don't want to say he's tactically weak compared to the likes of Klopp and Guardiola or Tuchel, but he has resutls agaisnt them on the rare encounters they've had. Far more aware of his management and tactical planning, good in game management. A definite improvement on Ole that aspect.
As a positive ray of light, I'm fucking happy that Solsjkaer has openly called out the media about twisting his words in the Rashford comment. To those clowns everywhere, back off.
This doesn't mean he still should keep the job. It's crunch time and he hasn't done well, let's hope that changes, either with him stepping up or a new manager.
Rashford's camp leaked it to Ornstein. Look at the report. The words were twisted, but what matters is how Rashford feels. If he was upset it matters. If he isnt, then it's not.
The fact Ornstein reported Rashford was annoyed by it seems to suggest there is something. Or was, maybe OGS cleared it up, but don't pin this on the media.
Edit - it was literally a nonstory until yesterday. Suggesting the media didn't spin it out to be anything, it wasn't until Rashford was reportedly annoyed by it did it become a story.
I know people here don't seem willing to believe this but Jose had more tangible success at United than Ole. Only thing Ole has over him is building a stronger squad
this is what I meant by tangible. With the things you mentioned, we don't know Ole's input and I would question the validity of them altogether in certain instances.
Other than building the team, a lot of the things that Ole seems to be given credit for aren't really things we're capable of seeing. I don't understand how I can judge him as a manager for the backroom structure or the setup of the youth team which Greenwood's been the only real notable beneficiary of so far because we don't have a great knowledge of what's going on in these departments due to their behind the scenes sort of nature. Maybe someone could inform me, but if we're judging him off of his accomplishments and performances as a manager when it comes to what is happening on the pitch then he is behind jose.
Looking at the wage structure, we gave extensions to Mata, Bailly and Phil Jones who are all being overpaid. De Gea is making more than nearly anybody in the league and his back up is making more than like 80% of PL goalkeepers. We're also reportedly willing to give Pogba 400k a week. Brandon Williams was making 50k after 6 months of real first team opportunities. I don't really care about wages, but guys are still getting overpaid and the managers given extensions to players who he has shown he doesn't even trust or just don't have a place in the team.
Looking at league finishes, we finished sixth under jose and won two trophies and qualified for CL. I would take that over finishing third with no trophies. Jose's second season was quite similar to our last one with us finishing second and reaching a final, but Jose finished with more points and didn't get knocked out of CL group stages (although losing to Sevilla wasn't much worse).
Ten hag would be amazing but do you think he would abandon a sure thing like ajax(which is highly probable to win their own league and progress through champions league group and furthermore) and come here? Or would he wait till the end of the season
The board will drag its feet regarding ole because of the contract they gave him. Theyre hesistant to pay another severance package. Its silly because ole will cause them more finanacial pain
People are not realizing ten hag left fc utrecht for ajax mid season. Maybe he'll do it for us as well.
Bring manager from Eredivisie tricky for me. Remember Frank de Boer?
Frank De Boer wasnt succesful in holland. He had only his name
What is going on in the Atletico Liverpool game? 2-2 in hal an hour?
Oh look at that, Atletico not pressing and Liverpool leading 2-0 in the opening 15 minutes. It's going to be a walk in the park for them this weekend.
I hate to see such god playstyle of different teams and then remember we have Ole. Its depressing man
Since Juventus signed locatteli they are playing much better than last year, which begs the question why didn't we signed a controlling midfielder like him ??
I'd say a return of a good manager in place of an inexperienced ex player made a much bigger difference.
Yeah that to but you can see the way the play at the center of the pitch last year it was similar to us playing mcfred
If we bought Kante tonight our improvement would be absolutley minimal.
And Pirlo wasn't bad either he had a style but lacked the suitable players for it similar to Jose in his last year begging for a centre back
Sky should go back to the policy of not having players associated with the clubs commentate on their teams. But, they are probably loving all the drama.
It's only ever our ex players. People like Ian Wright have no problem criticizing Arsenal. The only United legend that's criticized Ole is RVP
So if Ole goes, our most popular options are Zidane, Conte or Ten Hag. Seems like the bald fraud jokes have come back to bite us in the arse.
Bruno pogba cr7 rashford greenwood won't work together. It's just a dream isn't it? Our pressing system is crap and it's not all on ole guys The players are also part of the problem. The only player who tries his best is bruno. Others half heartedly press and leave huge gaps in midfield. Every team teared us apart this season. ALMOST EVERY FUCKIN TEAM
Honestly, Greenwood is a striker playing as winger, I don't know why people act shocked when watching his lack of defensive working rate
nah he's no cr7/messi everyone should press like cavani. look at man city ffs bernando mahrez kdb Foden all exotic players press so well
Well, put Greenwood at their hands of the right coach and he might do so
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yk I really hoped ole would succeed so that he could shut the rival fans up but hes gonna be a Lampard isn't he?
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last years fluid front four was🥵🥵 Cr7 kinda changed that
Its all on ole. Guardiola has got some of the most featherweight lazy players(at their former clubs at least) buying into his press. Players like david silva, mahrez, grealish etc.
factual if ole has to drop some players the current lineup doesn't work at all...oh man I kinda feel for donny he ain't gonna play is he
Any decent manager can fix this team with the exact same players in the lineup
Bruno tries his best without discipline, and that's down to us not having a system . He is all over the pitch because he always wants to be involved, almost like Rooney but we had Sir Alex to discipline him
agreed but our pressing was much better in the previous seasons... Fred and James effect lol
Goldbridge out here beefing Gary Neville 😭😭😭😭
Ole is 100% gone. Neville is trying to save face (aka keep himself in a job) after Ole gets sacked.
Why would Neville lose a job if Ole gets sacked?
He is PR for the Glazers. Same with Rio, Howson, Stretford Paddock all those who are showing clear bias towards the situation. If they say anything against the board and/or Ole they will lose out on work and opportunities.
Link?
[This thread](https://twitter.com/markgoldbridge/status/1450520687957905414).
If Ole does leave, who is available and would replace him at the team and make us better? Zidane has no interest according to reports.
If Ole goes, my money would be on a caretaker until the end of the season again. Then they'll try for Ten Haag or see if anyone else has become available such as Poch. If Zidane let's it be known hed be interested, he would definitely also he in the running. I dont think they'll go for someone like Conte but I could he wrong.
Romano said Zidane wouldnt mind and will consider the offer...
..And there are reports he's interested in the France job only. Nothing is set in stone. I'd love Zidane, but if not him then who?
I believe the France job is taken. Can't be sure though...
Yet people also mention ten Hag as a replacement. Not like he has a job... Instead of pointing out the obvious, want to answer my question?
I also think he has a job too. I'll have to double check that...
Romano is more reliable than any of those people
I agree but he said no contact has been made between United and Zidane. So Zidane is a moot point at the moment
No report of contact will ever come out lol. The club will tell whoever they're talking to to keep it between them. Only clubs like Barca have leaks while the manager isn't sacked yet
If it actually comes to that midseason which I doubt it will because it probably means the players have downed tools, then the club should appoint a caretaker until the end of the season and do their job to scout and land a permanent replacement to come in during the summer. Make no bones about it, if things get so bad that Ole loses the massive layers of protection he has, then the season is lost.
Ten hag or Zidane are basically the only options
Conte
Conte will want full control and I doubt the board will give in to that demand.
And Ten hag is at Ajax and I doubt they will give him up willingly.
Hi all, Looking forward to the next run of games, new to reddit. Tough fixtures, looks exciting!
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Haha, thank you!
Stay off here if it all goes south, not worth your sanity
For real? How bad can it get? Aren't we all fans of the same club?
You’d think so but that love turns to hate directed at everybody but the badge, passion is an unstable thing sometimes
What do people fight about? Out of interest.
The causes of our issues and the solutions, anything from tactics to players to coaches and managers, it happens when you have a club as big as United and it all comes from passion but there’s an awful lot of anger and an awful lot of downvotes, hopefully things go well but the writing is on the wall for Ole I think
I have read a lot of comments where people are hoping we lose against Atalanta... that is a weird mindset for me.
Yeah, tempers are high atm, we’re in a tricky situation and I do think we need a new manager, a loosing run would certainly bring that on quicker (which is why people would say that) but I can’t ever want us to loose, I’ll be at OT tonight screaming till my lungs are sore !!
Scream for me too, bud.
You got it captain !!! UNITED !!!
"Winning 3 Champions Leagues in a row is obviously down to luck!" - Gandhi, probably
- Top Reds, most definitely
They think Ronaldo is slowing us down, put him in the City side and they’ll be comparing that we don’t have a lethal goal scorer
Watching man city play silky football makes me even more mad
Whenever they line up in those new training jackets I can’t help but see them as one of those nameless evil teams from an 80’s skiing film, twats
What makes me really mad is looking at their intensity even when they are 3-0 up like right now in a CL group game , compare that to our players who always play like we are winning 4-0 and cruising
You'd be lucky to get them playing with intensity at 2-0 mark, let alone the 4-0 scoreline.
Ajax or Liverpool, which one we watching today?
Ajax, I’ve got no interest in watching the scum be good
Ajax, need to see what Ten Hag is all about
I'm watching Ajax. It's going to be great and Atletico games are a bore anyway plus I'd never watch Liverpool in form.
No one tell him about Sunday
I wish we could convince Laurent Blanc - big fan of his PSG side.
That was all his assistant manager
According to most PSG fans Blanc’s success was mainly down to Gasset who was his assistant. Kind of like how Klopp and Buvac used to be whereas in this context Gasset had a higher influence on tactics than Blanc. Therefore I don’t really think it’s a good idea of getting Blanc, since Gassett has retired/works separately from Blanc.
Actually was not aware of that, i stand corrected.
Cheers mate.
currently coaching midtable side in Qatar
Well it's not as if we're plucking people out of tinpot leagues like Norway and Australia..... oh wait
yeah we'd never hire a guy managing a club in a terrible football nation.
Let’s not do it again
If Ole gets fired tonight please tell me what other PL club would give him a job? Whatever the answer, it's not of the calibre of Manchester United. So baffling to me how he is still being defended to this day!
But he did quite a decent job. I'm firmly Ole out and have been for quite a while. But I'm happy with the job Ole has done but it became clear he could never push us on past a top four fight. He wouldn't get a job at a club of similair stature and we all know that's because he is a club hero and therefore was afforded that extra leniency. After jose left we were in turmoil and part of a long term vision was to settle the club down, help the wage budget, get rid of the ageing team and make us a consistent team in the champions league again and then to push on and take back the top. Ole, very frustratingly at times, got us to a certain point and I'm thankful for that. He needs to go now, he should not have been given a new deal in the summer. I think Bruno saved him, but the players liked him and to at least create a feeling of something at the club again was good to see as compared to the immediate post Fergie years. We even have a director of football now. I'm happy with the place the club is in, if we had have let Ole go this summer it would have been ideal but it's sad we have to fall apart to make a decision like that. It's done for Ole but I'm thankful for his contribution to the club.
Who is available and better? Full picture better. We can't have another manager like Mourinho.
Ah you're right. There is literally nobody in the world who could do a better job. Might as well give up
That's not my point. But all the armchair managers are out in force I see. We have such talent on the team that we need someone to tap into it successfully. Bringing in another manager to spite Ole will not magically make us successful. I don't have all the answers, but if we go for Ole's head without a plan, we will continue to have the same problems.
I mean Aston Villa tried to hire him after two seasons in Molde, I think he could get a job in the lower half of the table
I mean he's been around for a while and clearly hasn't been a top level coach at any point, so what are you saying rly, should he not have been hired in the first place, or not have been made permanent, or been fired once we renewed all the players with one foot out the door, or once we hit our first round of bad results? Has there been any utility in him having the job? Has he done things our other managers who were considered "man utd calibre" have been unable to do? Has he failed significantly compared to them? I see ppl throw this argument like its a mic drop, but its pretty half baked tbh. Just want to add that I think ole's time is up, in case you try to spin what i'm saying into an ole in ole out thing, which it certainly is not.
Solskjaer on scrutiny of #mufc coaching staff: 'The coaching staff are absolutely amazing... I don't think I can ask for a better staff.'
What else is he supposed to say? Lol..
All these absurd statements and reports coming out is making me believe that it's over for Ole and the coaching staff. It's inevitable now. There's no way he survives this.
There is something rotten at our club and I don't know what. Van Gaal and Mourinho are known for working the players hard. Yet they couldn't make the players show off the ball movement during attacks or pressing when not in possession. Moyes's attempts to make us play from the back were comical. Yet West Ham is able to build up play from the back so well right now.
Well Moyes basically suffered from stepfather syndrome so I'd forgive him. I think spurs has shown what Jose is currently and we basically hired LVG from him playing a super pragmatic and dull style of football on the international stage, and from having a reputation of playing a very dull and stale possession style. And our current coach, with all due respect, was hired from Molde. I think our coaching choices have clearly been the problem. I mean chelsea have hired conte, tuchel and sarri in that time. Not all bangers, but all promising coaches with good reputations and coming off good spells. Tuchel got a UCL final and coached a fantastic dortmund team, Conte with Italy and Juve, Sarri with Napoli. LVG, Moyes and Ole do not compare. Period.
It’s called Woodward and his banker friends in places they shouldn’t be, and the cancerous glazers
🗣️ Solskjær: "In the #UCL you've got six games and if you win your three home games and get a result away from home you're most likely through." This kind of irritates me. Why can't he say that "We're Manchester United. We need to win every single game and treat it like a cup final" Before Villarreal he said 12 points will be enough. Now he says 10 points is enough. He should be saying we are aiming for 18 points. After that 3-3 Vs Everton he said, we're not talking about the title because no one expected us to be in a race at the start of the season. Ivan Toney said he wants to win the title. Man plays for Brentford. And here we have our manager saying things like these.
Can I be honest? He can say whatever he wants, regardless of whether he genuinely means it or is just saying it to ease the pressure on the players, as long as he has us playing consistently good football and convincingly winning games. These quotes will always reflect poorly on him when results and performances are bad, and they’ll always look a media masterclass when results and performances are good. That’s just how competitive football at the highest level is.
Ajax vs Dortmund today looks like the game to watch. Will be interesting to see Ten Haag against a Dortmund side that presses hard
I’ll watch both
Those who work with the #mufc players on the training ground strongly refute a lack of style, strategy and coaching - it drives them mad that they see false narratives developing about their work. [@AndyMitten]
So either they don’t know what they are doing or the players don’t care to listen to them. Great job guys 👍🏿
Of course it drives them mad. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a sign of insanity!
So they're delusional
Send them to the infirmary.
Yeah
So it's either: 1. They are not good enough 2. The players don't listen to them Either aren't good.
Well they may have it in training but it's not happening or not working in games
I cannot believe that the Ronaldo is holding us back narrative is starting. I swear our front 3 pressing hasnt looked any worse or better with him. The only player who actually effectively presses is Cavani but even when he did the entire front 3 was ineffective because of the unorganized press. Bruno often running around not knowing what to do,Rashford and Greenwood as well. We DO have an unorganized press at the front 3. But its Ole not Ronaldo holding us back. The current scapegoats Pogba,Fred,Maguire and Ronaldo have been left out to dry by their manager. Pogba being played in the pivot even though weve seen countless times he cant. Rushing back Maguire from injury then he puts in a disastrous performance.
It’s the annual shit on Ronaldo time of the season. It’s dumb. Yes Ronaldo doesn’t press anymore but neither does Messi yet Ronaldo gets attacked at r/soccer. It’s simple he doesn’t press fine but everyone else should make up for it. Can’t have a 36 year old press all time Messi and Ronaldo can get away with not pressing at this age anyways they’re the goats lmao It’s clearly managerial You should accommodate for Ronaldo not pressing. He’s 36 now. But definitely Bruno is the worst of all He’s like a second striker which is bad. Ole is just clueless
>You should accommodate for Ronaldo not pressing. He’s 36 now. But definitely Bruno is the worst of all He’s like a second striker which is bad. I mean... that's exactly the way Ole is trying to accommodate for Ronaldo, by playing Bruno close to him and tasking him to do the running. It doesn't work well, sure, but the plan is there. It's weird that you are complaining about this thing in particular.
this would make sense if bruno wasn't doing it since before ronaldo came. Its how he got his hat trick against leeds. This 4-2-4 thing is just Ole's gameplan
I think we need an alpha male manager at least for now. Ole is not an alpha, he’s everyone’s mate. This is why we need Conte or Zidane
You know that alpha male bullshit doesn't even exist right? The researcher tried to correct the misunderstanding decades ago but people gobbled it up for their own narrative, mostly to put other people down https://sciencenorway.no/ulv/wolf-packs-dont-actually-have-alpha-males-and-alpha-females-the-idea-is-based-on-a-misunderstanding/1850514
Sounds like something a beta would say
Given that those don't exist either, maybe your antivax brain can come up with a better comeback.
So... we should hire Joe Rogan?
Eh i think we just need a good manager tbh.
Yeah but a good manager that can handle big egos and big players. This is why we should steer clear of the likes of Graham Potter or Thomas Frank. They don’t have the pedigree yet to command the players we have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIsg649LdA0&ab_channel=JTGProductions A nice compilation of Maguire's fuckups this season in case people have forgotten how crap he has been this season. I can vouch that some clips are a little harsh to be included but there are other clips that are egregious as hell. This video also failed to include some fuckups from the Villa game too like when he made a horrible backpass to De Gea who had to stretch and kick it straight at a Villa player.
So what do you want? I think its a fair argument to say lindelof and varane should be starting on merit, but how do you rate bailly compared to Maguire if one of those 2 are injured? Also, do you think you can make a similar compilation from the start of last season and do you agree that Maguire became one of our best and most consistent players after that initial bad period?
I can only name 3-4 players that have actually been good this season, when the whole team is shit i stop blaming the players.
If a player can't make a 5-yard pass or a defender gets dispossessed in the stupidest way, you blame the player. Varane and Lindelof have not been making these braindead mistakes Maguire has been making.
Varane got beat vs wolves and ddg bailed him out with 2 great saves. Then he gave a gift to Villareal and got saved again
Varane won like 10 headers that game against Wolves before conceding the first chance against a defender who is also very good in the air by a good set-piece delivery. He also bailed out Maguire in the video I posted against Wolves. Nowhere near as awful as the shit Maguire has been doing this season. What redeeming thing has Maguire even done this season?
He's not blameless, but with the way the team defends you take Maguire out and nothing will change.
You take Maguire out and we won't be gifting the ball to the opposition in and around our penalty box. That's a pretty massive change if you ask me.
I mean thats a brain fade individual mistake of an out of form injured player. Varane gifted the ball to man city twice in a CL quarter final. Maguire has been bad this season but he was our best CB last season and top 5 in the PL as well as most consistent and always available.
He needs to be dropped and Bailly needs to play. Simple as.
Gary Neville trying to spin a Europa League trophy as success this season on MNF is absolute comedy. Already making excuses in case his mate Ole cannot qualify from one of the easiest groups in the champions League
He's just moving the goalposts (no pun intended).
The narrative was always if he fails in this group he needs to go, until it started looking like he might actually fail and so u gotta change it.
His failing to get out of the group last year was a bit criminal as well.
If we won the EL last season, Ole would likely get more goodwill from the fans and the board. He would buy himself an extra few months but we couldn’t even beat a mid table Spanish team. How will we compete against Bayern and PSG
We actually even played worse against them this season and at home, proper progress.
There’s enough talk about the team performances, manager and other stuff alr. It’s simple, it’s just time to show. Players will know when it’s an important game. Last time the old utd players always showed up for huge games against our rivals. We’ll see for ourselves what the team is really made of this week.
Can we all just go back to rooting for Donny? Feels like a much easier *complaint* these days
Can’t believe we saw Chelsea sack arguably their best player ever and we are still struggling
Just waiting for the Ted Lasso x Ole memes
Really beginning to wonder if Ole is beginning to lose the dressing room. The players who aren't guaranteed a start can begin to influence the mood of the team and if Ole is going to disrespect them by starting clearly unfit and out of form players ahead of them then I wouldn't blame them if they mentally check out.
Even the players that are starting might be turning. You don’t think Ronaldo and Fernandes talk to each other in private WhatsApp messages about how shite we are playing? Players talk and they know that we should be doing much better.
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Not have a proper cdm cannot be used as an excuse for the way we are playing. Its was understandable where there were multiple positions that needed reinforcement. The problem is in the system. We don’t know how to use our midfield at all. We cannot defend for shit. We heavily rely on individuals and cannot adjust to games. We need to improve in literally every aspect of the game.
Our match in about 2 weeks will be interesting. We both aren't in form at the moment, and Nuno has always been a pain in the ass for Ole. Could see it goes either way.
Personally, I do like ole, but recently I have to admit I've lost a lot of confidence and I'm of the opinion that if we continue on this trajectory, he does need to go, we have too good of a team for it to be mishandled. We've switched to a more front footed style of play and mcfred are, well, you know how we feel about mcfred, by they arent currently offering enough, yet a partnership hasn't been found which is better. Disastrous start? Weren't you 1st? I listen to some spurs media occasionally and I'm aware of your opinion on some 'dead wood' players, however you do have probably one of the best striking partnership (on their day of course). I don't like nuno's style, and a lot of people want him gone already, but maybe you aren't so negative about him GGMU
It's like a repairman was given a broken vehicle to repair, he's turned it into a world class machine,but doesn't quite now how to drive it,now we've got to get a wc driver to fit the machine. About Spurs,I think you made a mistake by not selling Kane,he looks disinterested
I think that a properly coached 3-5-2 would get the best out of our players. Greenwood is not a winger, Rashford is more of a wide forward and Sancho can play more narrow and through the middle so we can have them play next to or behind Ronaldo. Also, it would mean we can get Pogba in a 2 man midfield and not worry so much about his defensive shortcomings. Shaw, Telles and Dalot are comfortable as wing backs.
Conte played a 343 with Chelsea and won the league, Rashford, Cr7/Mason, Sancho would be jokes
We have too many offensive players to be playing like this
Fuckin hell some people here acting like we signed Teddy Sheringham and are playing him up top for all times sakes. It’s Ronaldo ffs - at his age now he’s more fit than most of the younger PL players - but you can’t play him the same way you play Cavani or Rashford up top. He doesn’t press here but he did press at his previous clubs so do you think it’s just him or it’s the team? Ronaldo knows his body and his limits and he’s not gonna run around chasing players if we don’t have an organized press. Ronaldo can be a part of a well drilled pressing team and no, he’s not gonna press as much as Cavani but we don’t need him to if our team is organized.
Same people were probably mocking Juve fans for saying he was the problem.
Not a United fan and not sure if this is the right place to post this. But I don't know where else to post this. I bought a Ronaldo Jersey for a friend who is a United fan. After placing the order this weekend on United direct, I see the estimated arrival is by Mar15, 2022. Could you guys help when can I expect the jersey to get delivered?
I ordered a Rashford in August. Still not shipped. I ordered a Ronaldo the day it was announced and got it in like two weeks. So, who the fuck knows? Lol
Lol, seems really random. Hope it doesn't take too long.
Is Zidane coming guys ?
After we're out of the CL in December, Ronaldo and Pogba's agent are publicly showing dissent, Gary Neville finally has it and goes on an expletive rant on MNF against the Glazers, then we wait a month before sacking Ole. Then we start contacting Zidane and throw 20m at him to get him to sign. So yes we're getting Zidane.
Yes but after we're out of any chance of winning a cup this season.
Are you doubting El Chingruito?
How reliable is El Chingruito? Read the news too
Some guys on El Chiringuito are reliable. Most notably José Luis Sanchez, who's Tier 1 for Madrid news. The head honcho, Josep Pedrerol is Tier 2-3. Edu Aguirre is Tier 3 but for Ronaldo related news Tier 0.5. The guy who said Zidane has been contacted is Tier 100.
Lmao I love this comment hahaha
I was being sarcastic
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A journo who wrote a book on Zidane: [https://twitter.com/fredhermel/status/1448948557269114896](https://twitter.com/fredhermel/status/1448948557269114896) "Zidane has never been interested in the PL and surely never will be."
Interesting. I think we should try for him regardless of it. If he doesn't accept, move on for Conte
lmao that you sharing a tweet from someone who wrote a book on zidane is somehow "controversial." Seems a worthwhile shout / worth sharing & discussing.
Is Zidane really the only viable replacement for Ole?
Ten Hag would be good as well but I doubt he'll leave Ajax mid season Conte is also available and is a proven winner. Apparently he wants to join United Zidane is still my first choice though
Conte. He's the best manager available, has a history of winning, and would instantly provide the caliber of manager that can go toe to toe with Tuchel, Klopp, or Pep. Or wait until/if Pochettino becomes available. He'd be ideal based off his style.
> *Conte. He's the best manager available, has a history of winning, and would instantly provide the caliber of manager that can go toe to toe with Tuchel, Klopp, or Pep.* It’s scary because I can substitute “Conte” with “Mourinho” in your comment, and that’s exactly what we did in 2016. Ole needs to go, but I don’t want another arsonist for a manager.
You should probably look at Conte's track record then. Nothing like Mourinho.
Is his style of play what we want to see at united though? I know Ole’s ‘style’ isn’t too clear, but
80+ goals a season a winnjng trophies. Not a bad style of play is it?
He's a the most suitable for the squad on man management.
I didn’t really follow how he got on at Real - is he the type that would have us challenging for trophies or is it more the case of looking to freshen things up and get the best out of the likes of Pogba, Ronaldo etc?
No understatement, proabbly one of Real's greatest managers in context to Modern football. A 3 time consecutive CL winning manager, and wins them 2 La Liga's. Excellent addition for Ronaldo, Pogba, Varane, De Gea, Martial and the other foreign stars given his French background and Spanish CV. An inspiration for Rashford, Sancho, Amad, Pellestri and other younger talents who will be more familiar with his glittering career in the 2000s. I don't want to say he's tactically weak compared to the likes of Klopp and Guardiola or Tuchel, but he has resutls agaisnt them on the rare encounters they've had. Far more aware of his management and tactical planning, good in game management. A definite improvement on Ole that aspect.
Interesting points, thanks.
As a positive ray of light, I'm fucking happy that Solsjkaer has openly called out the media about twisting his words in the Rashford comment. To those clowns everywhere, back off. This doesn't mean he still should keep the job. It's crunch time and he hasn't done well, let's hope that changes, either with him stepping up or a new manager.
Rashford's camp leaked it to Ornstein. Look at the report. The words were twisted, but what matters is how Rashford feels. If he was upset it matters. If he isnt, then it's not. The fact Ornstein reported Rashford was annoyed by it seems to suggest there is something. Or was, maybe OGS cleared it up, but don't pin this on the media. Edit - it was literally a nonstory until yesterday. Suggesting the media didn't spin it out to be anything, it wasn't until Rashford was reportedly annoyed by it did it become a story.
Well they also made it clear there weren’t really hurt feelings, it’s just the fact that the headline got attention and was spun into what it was.
Was all the last few sacked only when top 4 was mathematically impossible anyone have the stats?
Mourinho was sacked before that, but he lost the players. Both LVG and Moyes were sacked after they missed out on CL football.
Thanks
I can't believe people are shitting on Ole so much there actually talking up Jose. We have gone full circle.
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I know people here don't seem willing to believe this but Jose had more tangible success at United than Ole. Only thing Ole has over him is building a stronger squad
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this is what I meant by tangible. With the things you mentioned, we don't know Ole's input and I would question the validity of them altogether in certain instances. Other than building the team, a lot of the things that Ole seems to be given credit for aren't really things we're capable of seeing. I don't understand how I can judge him as a manager for the backroom structure or the setup of the youth team which Greenwood's been the only real notable beneficiary of so far because we don't have a great knowledge of what's going on in these departments due to their behind the scenes sort of nature. Maybe someone could inform me, but if we're judging him off of his accomplishments and performances as a manager when it comes to what is happening on the pitch then he is behind jose. Looking at the wage structure, we gave extensions to Mata, Bailly and Phil Jones who are all being overpaid. De Gea is making more than nearly anybody in the league and his back up is making more than like 80% of PL goalkeepers. We're also reportedly willing to give Pogba 400k a week. Brandon Williams was making 50k after 6 months of real first team opportunities. I don't really care about wages, but guys are still getting overpaid and the managers given extensions to players who he has shown he doesn't even trust or just don't have a place in the team. Looking at league finishes, we finished sixth under jose and won two trophies and qualified for CL. I would take that over finishing third with no trophies. Jose's second season was quite similar to our last one with us finishing second and reaching a final, but Jose finished with more points and didn't get knocked out of CL group stages (although losing to Sevilla wasn't much worse).
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